Note to Mages

[Michae]

Please please please if you do not have ALL proc spells, please do not volunteer that job for a nm run. :( Take a few minutes to get all ur spells so ur pt doesnt hate u taking up a spot and not !! a nm cause u didnt bother to get Mind Blast. It makes baby chocos cry :(

[Zyeriis]

If they don't know to have all their proc spells and are volunteering for nm runs, then they likely don't even know how to get to these forums.

[Michae]

This is true, and if they do they will just be jerky anyways. They never tell you either until its firesday and they dont have the spell. /sigh

[Kits]

what are proc spells? sorry for sucha noob question, i just came back

[Michae]

Certain spells will cause a yellow !! to pop from the nm and then u usually get greater amounts of af upgrade items. Thye are called proc spells by most ppl

[TearValerin]

SE has told me threads like these offer no contribution to the forums and therefore are no to be posted.

[Zyeriis]

SE has told me threads like these offer no contribution to the forums and therefore are no to be posted.

TearValerin, I think you should go discuss your sig with GreatGuardian and his sig :Q Sorry, this had to be brought up eventually. (Disclaimer: I apologize if this causes an incident/drama, I will take full responsibility as the instigator).

[Greatguardian]

TearValerin, I think you should go discuss your sig with GreatGuardian and his sig :Q Sorry, this had to be brought up eventually. (Disclaimer: I apologize if this causes an incident/drama, I will take full responsibility as the instigator).

We already discussed it. I just can't think of a new sig to replace this one :(

[Cyx]

SE has told me threads like these offer no contribution to the forums and therefore are no to be posted.

Are you kidding. This is much better than another "what's the first thing you will do when servers are back up" or "Get rid of PS2 limitations" or "Raise/Lower the level cap of abyssea".

This post actually has someone trying to make players aware of what is expected in Abyssea. I know it is asking a lot for players that think they can join parties and leech items while doing nothing but I for one actually appreciate this topic. I have took it upon myself to find the link and post it below for procing. *all 2 seconds of it*

All procing spells and WSs (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Weakness_Targeting)

If you do one thing within these two weeks I hope it is get ready for FFXI to come back up and get what is needed to be useful in the game.

[Tamoa]

Agree 100% with the OP here. Too many times I have joined pickup groups with a mage that doesn't have all proc spells. Worst example was a Tablilla group where the whm didn't have Banish III, Flash and Banishga II. To top it off, he didn't have a single flux in Altepa and he was subbing brd to ballad himself... I asked him to try Dark Threnody several times but got ignored (probably didn't even have that :/ ). Also way too many blms are missing some AM spells. :(

[Komori]

I don't like bringing my BLU unless I'm forced to because I've never gotten Mind Blast. And I let them be full aware of the fact and if they still tell me to come; then that's that. <.<

But my BLM has all of it's proc spells, I made sure of that for my ls. And I'm going to get Mind Blast when my friend is online after the servers come back up. That way it won't be such a worry. <3

[svengalis]

Please please please if you do not have ALL proc spells, please do not volunteer that job for a nm run. :( Take a few minutes to get all ur spells so ur pt doesnt hate u taking up a spot and not !! a nm cause u didnt bother to get Mind Blast. It makes baby chocos cry :(

How are we suppose to get that spell when noone goes to those areas anymore? :(

[Yarly]

Please please please if you do not have ALL proc spells, please do not volunteer that job for a nm run. :( Take a few minutes to get all ur spells so ur pt doesnt hate u taking up a spot and not !! a nm cause u didnt bother to get Mind Blast. It makes baby chocos cry :(

hey stop being elitist, don't tell people that they can't come on their favourite job just because they lack expensive spells
not everyone has a ton of gil like some people

[Seriha]

I'd also say it's the leader's responsibility to ask before going out into the field. Finding out after the fact reflects their own lack of prep.

[Nacht]

I'd also say it's the leader's responsibility to ask before going out into the field. Finding out after the fact reflects their own lack of prep.

99% of all problems can be blamed on other people. True story.

[Haldarn]

hey stop being elitist, don't tell people that they can't come on their favourite job just because they lack expensive spells
not everyone has a ton of gil like some people
Other posts active at the moment explain that gil is not hard to come by if you NPC various items bought in Abyssea with Cruor and Dominion Notes. So sure, if it's your first time there, then it's ok not to have expensive spells, but you should have an abundance of gil just by levelling from 75-90 there.

Only after that you're ready to join groups to fight NMs for zone wins/Atma/upgrade items - it's just responsible playing to have all the spells your job possibly could to help proc. If you don't, expect to get /sigh in game and posts like the OP here. It's a group activity and it's no wonder people are disappointed they find themselves carrying lazy and ignorant players through the more challenging parts of the content.

Also, I am a massive hypocrite because as a RDM I haven't bought Blizzard, Aero & Fire IV. Really I'm just angry at my own laziness.

[Yarly]

Other posts active at the moment explain that gil is not hard to come by if you NPC various items bought in Abyssea with Cruor and Dominion Notes. So sure, if it's your first time there, then it's ok not to have expensive spells, but you should have an abundance of gil just by levelling from 75-90 there.

Only after that you're ready to join groups to fight NMs for zone wins/Atma/upgrade items - it's just responsible playing to have all the spells your job possibly could to help proc. If you don't, expect to get /sigh in game and posts like the OP here. It's a group activity and it's no wonder people are disappointed they find themselves carrying lazy and ignorant players through the more challenging parts of the content.

Also, I am a massive hypocrite because as a RDM I haven't bought Blizzard, Aero & Fire IV. Really I'm just angry at my own laziness.

if your mage needs scrolls why not farm it for them and just give it to them for free?????
they get spell, they proc, everyone gets gear, ???, profit

that's the community way

[Seriha]

99% of all problems can be blamed on other people. True story.

Sorry, but this is a pretty straightforward thing. Worst case, leader asks, person lies, you get to fight and find out they can't cast. It's the leader's choice to then tough it out or kick the person for being dishonest. There's obviously a responsibility for the person to get the spells when they can, but if you're looking at a time slot where Earth magics won't be needed, you can get away with a BLM without Quake, and so on.

I can't fault people for not having some of the more obscure spells. Not only are the mobs that drop them not being killed as often as they used to, but the demand for them thanks to Abyssea has upped their cost. It's like 2004 all over again with expecting every RDM to have Refresh when sources were few, but wanting them to shell out an insane amount of gil for it nonetheless.

[cnedra]

Well there is 1 thing worse then not having the spells and that is having gimp skills that the spells miss the target there for no proc.

[Nacht]

Well there is 1 thing worse then not having the spells and that is having gimp skills that the spells miss the target there for no proc.

Sounds like me and my 210ish ninjutsu skill! Rock on!

[cnedra]

im talking more like a blu or blm 90 with skills of a lvl 30

cause they simply never skilled it

[lorzy]

how does a blm being underskilled affect proc?

[cnedra]

if ur spells miss the target u cant proc it
and if ur underskilled the changes are high u miss when u cast it

[Tamoa]

how does a blm being underskilled affect proc?


if ur spells miss the target u cant proc it
and if ur underskilled the changes are high u miss when u cast it

Um... What? O.o

I have yet to see a blm miss the target with a spell...

[Haldarn]

Um... What? O.o

I have yet to see a blm miss the target with a spell...
Visions of unskilled BLMs wiping out their alliances when they miss their targets XD

[cnedra]

well ive seen it happen alot.

[Tamoa]

Visions of unskilled BLMs wiping out their alliances when they miss their targets XD

This could get messy in a La Theine worm party!! lol

[Tamoa]

well ive seen it happen alot.

I'm sorry, but what? A blm spell can't miss. It can get resisted, but it can't miss, lol.

[cnedra]

do they still exist?
partys in lathiene that is

[Tamoa]

do they still exist?
partys in lathiene that is

They do on Asura.

Now please explain blm missing their target with a spell? What would the chat log message be? And what happens to the spell - does it land on the ground? or on anyone that happens to be close enough to the intended target?

[cnedra]

well missing is not entirely correct but it gets resisted
and resist equals no proc

[Takero]

well missing is not entirely correct but it gets resisted
and resist equals no proc
The only time I've seen no proc is when spell gets resisted is Threnody, Flash, 1000 Needles, Kurayami. I also think double weakened you cannot proc (not sure someone please correct me if I am wrong).

what are proc spells? sorry for sucha noob question, i just came back
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Abyssea#Yellow_Weakness
"Yellow" spells, procing yellow on Abyssea NM mob helps with drop rates like seals and +2 items. Discernment (tells you what element yellow is), and must proc spell when mob isnt using spell or TP move.

[Byrth]

Wrong, damage-dealing spells proc as long as they do damage (even if that damage is 0). Totally resisted enfeebles don't proc. 1000-needles is a bit of an exception, as it's a very finicky damage-dealing BLU spell. Also, Blitzstrahl has been reported to not proc if its Stun effect procs.

[lorzy]

Visions of unskilled BLMs wiping out their alliances when they miss their targets XD

this was pure gold, i just thought you should know

[cnedra]

weakend or double weakend depends on gear and skills dont do damage but dont have to resists even if damage is zero u can proc that is depending on the nm wich ur proccing.

we all know the harder the nm the harder it gets to get a proc on it

[Takero]

weakend or double weakend depends on gear and skills dont do damage but dont have to resists even if damage is zero u can proc that is depending on the nm wich ur proccing.

we all know the harder the nm the harder it gets to get a proc on it
Always found that annoying with Abyssea. Some NMs just plain resist the spell, so have to avoid them on certain days. Learned that hard way with Yaguarigyu for RDM body seals.

[cnedra]

well i find the big worms like glavoid and the attowha 1 the most annoying cause u can heal them if ur doing it wrong

[Tamoa]

Dispel is another proc spell that some NMs resist 100%. 0 dmg elemental spells can still proc yellow. As for Glavoid, not sure why you would even want to proc yellow on that one.

[cnedra]

well dispel as proc on glavoid is just sick cause u need dispelga on him
well yellow on glavoid is silly but that one in attowha i bet ppl want yellow on it.

[lorzy]

Dispel is another proc spell that some NMs resist 100%. 0 dmg elemental spells can still proc yellow. As for Glavoid, not sure why you would even want to proc yellow on that one.

dragon meat

[Takero]

well i find the big worms like glavoid and the attowha 1 the most annoying cause u can heal them if ur doing it wrong
Not saying I've killed Glavoid often, but can't say I've seen people proc yellow on him. He doesn't really drop anything related to it. Usually proc red or blue on him for KI/shells. Yaguarigyu isnt much better sadly. He uses two TP moves in a row and during that time, any damage cures him, he absorbs to much and then PDs. Easy NM but can be slow when people are not paying attention.

Dispel is yet another spell can be resisted. And thanks for the clear up, I've heard some people complain double weakened cannot proc so wasn't sure. And yes, people should definitely have all their spells and decent skill rating respectively before offer that job up. Or, at least when send tell to person shouting, should warn them that skills are not up to stat.

[cnedra]

asl long as ur doing 0 damage u still can proc. resist is what is the problem with proc

[Nvr]

We already discussed it. I just can't think of a new sig to replace this one :(

No, you are just mocking someone with a similar sig and think it's funny. You just want attention on the BG forums and that's all. We're not stupd enough to believe that you cannot think of anything better. News flash, you're not required to even have a sig.

[TearValerin]

No, you are just mocking someone with a similar sig and think it's funny. You just want attention on the BG forums and that's all. We're not stupd enough to believe that you cannot think of anything better. News flash, you're not required to even have a sig.

Who cares? I'm not offended by it. It made my ego flair a bit, but nothing more. He hasn't done anything to hurt me, so why berate him over it?

[Nvr]

Who cares? I'm not offended by it. It made my ego flair a bit, but nothing more. He hasn't done anything to hurt me, so why berate him over it?

It had nothing to do with you. I am referring to his current sig.

[TearValerin]

It had nothing to do with you. I am referring to his current sig.
It had plenty to do with me, the light jab in his sig was directed at me.

[Nvr]

It had plenty to do with me, the light jab in his sig was directed at me.

I guess I only recognized you by your sig lol.

But the point is, this forum is floaded with posts from BG forum members purposly posting dumb comments or having absurd sigs just to mock these forums and make fun of them on their own forums. It is extremely annoying.

[Byrth]

There are plenty of players posting stupid things that aren't from BG.

Also, Buzzflies only have about 5000ish HP, so posting a 5000+ damage Drakes on them isn't that bad. Drakesbane's max potential is much higher than Victory Smite. It's just a matter of luck and repetition on NMs with Attack food and Stalwart's until you hit a high one.

[HFX7686]

I think that their point is, unless it's an amazing out-of-this-world damage total in your picture you just look very silly posting it. His damage is in a fairly normal range and is nothing spectacular.

[TearValerin]

I think that their point is, unless it's an amazing out-of-this-world damage total in your picture you just look very silly posting it. His damage is in a fairly normal range and is nothing spectacular.

I beg to differ. Ukko's Fury is considered one of the best Empyrean ws in the game currently, look at this collective ws screenset: http://img209.imageshack.us/f/22789456.png/

If a mythic ws is matching or outdoing Empyrean numbers (which are known to get ridiculously high) then I look far from silly. And I guarentee you, there is no way someone normal can have consistantly 5k+ drakes in average gear.

[HFX7686]

Well, perhaps I just don't mingle enough with the general populace then. I see damage in the 6000-7000 range from the people in my Abyssea group all the time, all different jobs and weapons.

[TearValerin]

Well, perhaps I just don't mingle enough with the general populace then. I see damage in the 6000-7000 range from the people in my Abyssea group all the time, all different jobs and weapons.

With what? 6-7k is nowhere near regular, those are incredibly lucky hits.

[Byrth]

First off, Drakesbane isn't at a disadvantage because it's a Mythic WS. It's the strongest WS in the game just looking at the mods and weapon type that can use it.

To compare Drakesbane and Ukko's:
Drakesbane - Crits, 50% STR, 4 base fTP, 133 base damage weapon
Ukko's Fury - Crits, 60% STR, 3 base fTP, 131 base damage weapon

I'm guessing that you need to start buying Red Curry Buns to go with your relic. Maximum damage potential with Gungnir and Drakesbane should be over 9000 on a piercing neutral target.

[HFX7686]

With what? 6-7k is nowhere near regular, those are incredibly lucky hits.

Really? My group must be incredibly lucky then! They get that all the time. They're incredibly well geared though, so I suppose that helps. Beats me, I don't play melee jobs generally.

[Chronofantasy]

I understand proc spells are expensive nowadays because no one really farms them and they are mandatory for seal ptys, but people can either take the time to farm those spells they need to farm the gil to buy the spells they need just like back in the old days. If a spell costs you about 500k on AH, then maybe join a cruor pty or even an exp pty if you can't find a cruor build pty and get yourself about 200-300k cruor and even that can be turned into 500k or more gil. I really don't think it will take you more than 6 hours in one day to do this and in the end it'll be worth it.

If you're too lazy to do the above mentioned then perhaps it's time for you to lvl another job like a thf or something where you don't need to spend a lot of gil on mandatory spells.

[TearValerin]

First off, Drakesbane isn't at a disadvantage because it's a Mythic WS. It's the strongest WS in the game just looking at the mods and weapon type that can use it.

To compare Victory Smite and Ukko's:
Drakesbane - Crits, 50% STR, 4 base fTP, 133 base damage weapon
Ukko's Fury - Crits, 60% STR, 3 base fTP, 131 base damage weapon

I'm guessing that you need to start buying Red Curry Buns to go with your relic. Maximum damage potential with Gungnir and Drakesbane should be over 9000 on a piercing neutral target.

Ukko's has a potential to hit 11k-12k with perfect pdif rolls, set bonus activations, etc as well provide perfect conditions, though the chances of it occuring are about 0.825%.

[Byrth]

Ukko's has a potential to hit 11k-12k with perfect pdif rolls, set bonus activations, etc as well provide perfect conditions, though the chances of it occuring are about 0.825%.

There is still no proof that set bonuses can activate on weaponskills. Drakesbane can break 9000 with 2 Triple Attacks and 8 crits (.016% chance) and good pDIF rolls, but only if you're fighting monsters with that much HP. Also, your odds of a max damage Ukko's are higher than reality.

It's hard for me to find fault in your signature, but it isn't proof of anything. My Dancer does over 5k Eviscerations on Blood Bats in Tahrongi. Lets move away from EM monsters with piercing weaknesses before we have this discussion. <_<

[TearValerin]

There is still no proof that set bonuses can activate on weaponskills. Drakesbane can break 9000 with 2 Triple Attacks and 8 crits (.016% chance) and good pDIF rolls, but only if you're fighting monsters with that much HP. Also, your odds of a max damage Ukko's are higher than reality.

It's hard for me to find fault in your signature, but it isn't proof of anything. My Dancer does over 5k Eviscerations on Blood Bats in Tahrongi. Lets move away from EM monsters with piercing weaknesses before we have this discussion. <_<

My signature's been changed, if you havent noticed, to something with 50% piercing resistance.

[Nvr]

My signature's been changed, if you havent noticed, to something with 50% piercing resistance.

That could easily be a brewed Drakesbane. In fact, I'm willing to bet it is. 6934*1.5=10401. Seems about right for a brew.

[HFX7686]

Why do you obsessively take pictures of your damage?

You seem to have a big epeen issue, methinks.

[Vinc]

That could easily be a brewed Drakesbane. In fact, I'm willing to bet it is. 6934*1.5=10401. Seems about right for a brew.

It's not brewed, Mictlantecuhtli takes enhanced damage from physical attacks.

[TearValerin]

That could easily be a brewed Drakesbane. In fact, I'm willing to bet it is. 6934*1.5=10401. Seems about right for a brew.

Nope, no brew involved at all. Though on the other hand, he does have the 50% resist.

[Nvr]

Why do you obsessively take pictures of your damage?

You seem to have a big epeen issue, methinks.

I don't think he does. I think he just googles them and finds them. That is why the name is blurred out.

[Byrth]

Mict takes somewhere between 200 and 300% physical damage while casting. Corses in general are 50% resistant to piercing, but it has always been hard for me to tell if Mict is because of his massive damage taken boost. Assuming it's 200% and 50% though, he has balanced out to +/- 0 and there's no modifier.

[Vinc]

I don't think he does. I think he just googles them and finds them. That is why the name is blurred out.

The name is likely blurred out because he fears people finding his Xiah, which in most likely scenario will be cluttered with gear sets that are far from optimal. Just as well, in the event he does not have Gungnir, he loses that platform for arguing with people.

[TearValerin]

The name is likely blurred out because he fears people finding his Xiah, which in most likely scenario will be cluttered with gear sets that are far from optimal. Just as well, in the event he does not have Gungnir, he loses that platform for arguing with people.
People on Asura go out of their way to make other Asurans miserable. I figure, if I remain anonymous, then harassment disappears, simple as that.

[RaenRyong]

Now I wish I was using a high DMG lance instead of OaT :( while I am very happy with my average Drakes I will never see a huge epeen one ; ;

[RaenRyong]

There's one registered Gungnir holder on Asura: Olfar. That said, I know ffxiah doesn't pick up everyone.

[Vinc]

People on Asura go out of their way to make other Asurans miserable. I figure, if I remain anonymous, then harassment disappears, simple as that.

If your intentions are to not be held accountable for your words, it might be beneficial to remove your signature. If you do indeed have Gungnir, locating you out of the plethora of Gungnir owners would prove a shallow task for anyone. If you are confident in your sets, then you must know that anonymity only serves as a detriment to your points.

[HFX7686]

People on Asura go out of their way to make other Asurans miserable. I figure, if I remain anonymous, then harassment disappears, simple as that.

Ah, so you're not well liked on your server either?

[TearValerin]

If your intentions are to not be held accountable for your words, it might be beneficial to remove your signature. If you do indeed have Gungnir, locating you out of the plethora of Gungnir owners would prove a shallow task for anyone. If you are confident in your sets, then you must know that anonymity only serves as a detriment against your points.

Now how does it serve detrimental to anyone's positions to be anonymous? If I wish not to be named, it doesn't change anything I say's validity unless it is just plain wrong, (for example, if I stated Double Attack > Haste on a TP set :P)


Ah, so you're not well liked on your server either?
It's more of, Asura's top crowd thinks it's funny to play trollface.jpg at just about everything, to the point even AH users avoid the Asura boards knowing its players are asinine.

[HFX7686]

It makes it look like you are unwilling to back up your argument simply because some people might call you names.

You're going to get called names just because you refuse to back up your argument.

May as well put it all out there instead of trying to hide. It would make you appear genuine.

[Nvr]

What I don't understand is, your original sig way much less dmg than your new one, and you believed your new sig to be vs a mob that took 50% less dmg. Why on earth did you not choose this one originally? I simply don't think it is you doing the dmg.

You already posted This Link (http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4707/22789456.png)

So this shows you are already adept at finding screens of other peoples dmg photos.

[TearValerin]

What I don't understand is, your original sig way much less dmg than your new one, and you believed your new sig to be vs a mob that took 50% less dmg. Why on earth did you not choose this one originally? I simply don't think it is you doing the dmg.

You already posted This Link (http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4707/22789456.png)

So this shows you are already adept at finding screens of other peoples dmg photos.

Its the most active thread on FFXIAH's war board, it isn't that hard to find when its the first link there. And Corses do have a 50% resistance to piercing, anyone with eyes can see that on ffxiclopedia. No lie there. I chose the most readily available pic on my photobucket, and when GG decided to play around with me, I searched through screens for higher than my original, your point?

[Nvr]

Its the most active thread on FFXIAH's war board, it isn't that hard to find when its the first link there. And Corses do have a 50% resistance to piercing, anyone with eyes can see that on ffxiclopedia. No lie there. I chose the most readily available pic on my photobucket, and when GG decided to play around with me, I searched through screens for higher than my original, your point?

Yeah, but according to others, that NM takes like +200-300% dmg. So what would a -50% reduction matter?

Oh, I would also like to point out that my original comment about his Sig is bosed on his CURRENT sig, and not yours. I am talking about that giant sig he has just got attention.

[TearValerin]

Yeah, but according to others, that NM takes like +200-300% dmg. So what would a -50% reduction matter?

Oh, I would also like to point out that my original comment about his Sig is bosed on his CURRENT sig, and not yours. I am talking about that giant sig he has just got attention.
Are you sure they arent mistaking it for this: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Manananggal
Miclantecuhtli absorbs damage unless casting, Qutrubs on the other hand do take double damage. They both have names starting with M, found in same map, could be easy mistake.

[Henihhi]

Why would the name be blurred out if its your damage ? I am not getting this whole thing. But anyways back on topic- I have to agree with this thread, I have run into too many leeched blus lately that want invites to stuff that dont even have basic spells, let alone yellow proc spells. They want everyone to hand them +2 items when they are doing nothing for the group. The remove member button and I are becoming very good friends lately.Basically it boils down to, if you can't proc yellow on an abyssea nm run for seals/stones/cards etc you are useless. Please don't waste my time or yours.

[Nvr]

Are you sure they arent mistaking it for this: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Manananggal
Miclantecuhtli absorbs damage unless casting, Qutrubs on the other hand do take double damage. They both have names starting with M, found in same map, could be easy mistake.

I have not researched it at all. I was just responding based on several other posters comments.

Here is the wiki


Low Physical Defense

Seems to take enhanced damage from physical attacks, but only while casting. If attacked while it's not casting, it will recover an amount equal to the normal damage of the hit.

[TearValerin]

I have not researched it at all. I was just responding based on several other posters comments.

Read his notes, Qutrubs take 2x damage. Anyways, time for work.

[Nvr]

I editied my post to include wiki detail on Mictlantecuhtli.

[Yugl]

I usually ask if they have the spell and reiterate the spell types (AM, Aga III, and so forth). If they're honest, I might put up with them not having the spell depending on what other options are available at the time. If they're dishonest and I find out midrun, they're done for.


Now I wish I was using a high DMG lance instead of OaT :( while I am very happy with my average Drakes I will never see a huge epeen one ; ;

OAT ftw.

[Vlorsutes]

Are you sure they arent mistaking it for this: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Manananggal
Miclantecuhtli absorbs damage unless casting, Qutrubs on the other hand do take double damage. They both have names starting with M, found in same map, could be easy mistake.

Yes, Mictlantecuhtli absorbs physical damage when he's not casting magic, but he takes considerably higher amounts of physical damage when you are able to inflict physical damage to him. It's no different really than those screenshots where you see people doing 10k+ to the Ironclad Smiter in Abyssea - Altepa. Whereas while the numbers by themselves are high, given the nature of the NM you're fighting, they're just not impressive. Your Drakesbane to Mictlantecuhtli is basically only around 2-3k on something else, so while it's reasonable, it's hardly spectacular.

[wish12oz]

Your Mictl damage SS in your sig is weak, you have a relic and cant break 7k? Even though it takes 2x damage, if not more, that's pretty sad. I'm going to have to agree that you either do not have a relic or are gimp and that is why you blurred out your name. That looks more like a weak weapons peak damage to me.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/ninmich.jpg

Sekka+1 dex/acc for the jin, and the only hi I've done to it with 85 kannagi, and didnt get any double or triple attack procs, it died before I ever got a second ws, and I haven't fought it since on ninja. Only buffs I had in either was a meat mithkabob/atma/cruor buffs and berserk.

[TearValerin]

Your Mictl damage SS in your sig is weak, you have a relic and cant break 7k? Even though it takes 2x damage, if not more, that's pretty sad. I'm going to have to agree that you either do not have a relic or are gimp and that is why you blurred out your name. That looks more like a weak weapons peak damage to me.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/ninmich.jpg

Sekka+1 dex/acc for the jin, and the only hi I've done to it with 85 kannagi, and didnt get any double or triple attack procs, it died before I ever got a second ws, and I haven't fought it since on ninja. Only buffs I had in either was a meat mithkabob/atma/cruor buffs and berserk.

Uh, he has 12.5% resistance to slashing, katanas are slashing damage. He has 50% resistance to piercing, as in polearms, aka 6.9k is half of what I could really do to him. Do some research before making fallacious remarks.

[Greatguardian]

Uh, he has 12.5% resistance to slashing, katanas are slashing damage. He has 50% resistance to piercing, as in polearms, aka 6.9k is half of what I could really do to him. Do some research before making fallacious remarks.

At this point I'd honestly say you're better off just taking low damage numbers out of your sig. I had nothing to do with this round, but Mict? Ephemerals? Buzzflies? Overall, none of these are good examples anyways. Drakesbane is one of the strongest WS in the game, so of course people are going to give you crap when you post numbers than pretty much anyone can beat.

[TearValerin]

At this point I'd honestly say you're better off just taking low damage numbers out of your sig. I had nothing to do with this round, but Mict? Ephemerals? Buzzflies? Overall, none of these are good examples anyways. Drakesbane is one of the strongest WS in the game, so of course people are going to give you crap when you post numbers than pretty much anyone can beat.

True, but they act as if that -50% piercing means nothing, when obviously it's going to make a huge difference compared to someone smacking it with slashing or blunt. I'll go filter through 200 screenhots for something acceptable I suppose.

[wish12oz]

True, but they act as if that -50% piercing means nothing, when obviously it's going to make a huge difference compared to someone smacking it with slashing or blunt. I'll go filter through 200 screenhots for something acceptable I suppose.

Why not just post damage you've done to a real mob? I even said that was a shitty Hi, and I used a terrible weapon for the Jin, stop thinking you're awesome when you won't even post your characters name.

[Airenn]

How are we suppose to get that spell when noone goes to those areas anymore? :(

Are you fucking kidding me? Did anyone ever answer this? There's Psyches in Abyssea Vunk for christsakes that are EASY AS SHIT WITH all the buffs you get.

I got my spell in like 3 mobs. Oh god, these people.

[Lithera]

Wow thus thread has been derailed for almost two full pages now. Let's try and get back to the original topic before a GM locks this please. tho the title could of used a sub title or something. Thought by title alone that this was going to be a omfg I hate all mages Grrr type of op but it isn't. Which is cool, and just someone saying something that probably irks more than just him. I my self have not run into said problem spells wise but more so not having people have all of their blue procs for the weapon they are using that their job can do. Example a ninja not having Ku because their too lazy to go get it or a mnk not having asuran fists or a pld not having a certain sword skill that use a blue proc that no other sword wielding job can do because it's PLD main Onry.

And yes Blitzrhal (sp?) can hit but not proc if the stun from it procs. Hopefully they either make it able to proc even with the stun procing or switch it out with another thunder based spell that does not have said problem. I think the main problem with 1k needles is not really the acc but the time it takes to cast it without being interrupted or land unclean.

[Vlorsutes]

True, but they act as if that -50% piercing means nothing, when obviously it's going to make a huge difference compared to someone smacking it with slashing or blunt. I'll go filter through 200 screenhots for something acceptable I suppose.

Even taking the damage reduction into account with him, 7k is not that impressive of a number on him. It's not a horrible number by any means, but it's still a magnified amount of damage by enough to not be boast worthy.




And yes Blitzrhal (sp?) can hit but not proc if the stun from it procs. Hopefully they either make it able to proc even with the stun procing or switch it out with another thunder based spell that does not have said problem. I think the main problem with 1k needles is not really the acc but the time it takes to cast it without being interrupted or land unclean.

For Blitzstrahl to successfully trigger a proc, the mob must resist the additional stun effect to it, to the point that sometimes it takes removing all gear and even equipping a Terra's Staff to drop your magic accuracy down.

For 1000 needles it's both the accuracy and the cast time. I can't tell you the number of times I'll cast 1000 needles with Burst Affinity, Convergence, Apollo's Staff, Atma of the Merciless Matriarch, Atma of the Ultimate, Ascetic's Gambir, etc, and still miss the mob, and it not even be a mob that's resistant to the light element at all. 1000 needles just has horrible accuracy as is, and coupling that with such a long cast time makes it probably the worst proc spell in the game in my opinion.

[RAIST]

RE: BLU's still needing Mind Blast

don't know if it was just a fluke or what, but it seems everytime we had Dajnic go to Nyzul on BLU....we'd run into @#$@#$@#$ Soulflayers.

[svengalis]

Are you fucking kidding me? Did anyone ever answer this? There's Psyches in Abyssea Vunk for christsakes that are EASY AS SHIT WITH all the buffs you get.

I got my spell in like 3 mobs. Oh god, these people.

LOL I don't play blue mage so I don't keep up with it.

[Auredant]

Are you fucking kidding me? Did anyone ever answer this? There's Psyches in Abyssea Vunk for christsakes that are EASY AS SHIT WITH all the buffs you get.

I got my spell in like 3 mobs. Oh god, these people.
Prozac...Do you need it?

[Greatguardian]

Prozac...Do you need it?

I think my sig pushed her over the edge :(

[Samunai]

I dont know with u guys but since the dawn of me being a mage (like 1st day i went playing) i did everything i could to get all spells. Was a damn hell at the beginning of the game bc pro IV and ShelL IV were a pain bc it was 'worth' alot of gill.... but my blm brd rdm and whm had all the spells when i was 75, really... ALL spells, even stupid foolish AM I u never use bc of MP cost and the damn 20 sec u need to cast one o.o . but i had it all!

then... ofc i have started levelin my blu and never used it before i had all proc spells to actually go and proc some shit for events. took some time and effort (esp of my THF boyfriend xD, tank yes please!), but i got most spells now ^^ i'd say about 90% (my boy just gets annoyed by times so we farm blu spells in time frames ;P)

what i want to state is that at least i got/had common sense not to go to some pt wihtout having all spells. i so try my boyfriend to get some whm spells (he is anti whm but he is blm for life.... so blm/whm aint so bad for some procing D:..... thats why i always end up blm/whm bc of the anti whm ways of him @.@ which works great actually! hehe ;D ) but with not a lot of success yet :P tho his rdm is more like 'i fell asleep in a abyssea pt' that i organized (fell asleep too :3, but aint leeching ;P OK OK cruor leeching :D)

oh and maybe something for some ppl who like to know; u CAN proc on /brd :D and i had to proc a fire threnody on a water mob! got the SS to prove if people want ot see it ^.^/ i went blu/brd (yes only for proc purposes! lol xD) and it worked!
Here is the clue: u dont even need the macc drink to get it stick, nope u dont ;D i had some CHR blu spells set on the empy points i had left =) but i dont think that was the sufficient part of it; i had load load load loadsss of macc and chr gear on! like a aquilo staff and some chr+10 pants from brygid quest from altepa ;D (YUS! a blu/brd with subligar ;D) and i got it all friggin proc'd!

and u know what D: ? people call me a bad brd bc i cant proc a thunder threnody (earth elemental) on a earth day on a mob HIGHLY resistant to earth T_T yes i couldnt proc it T_T but here i prove i can! harhar ;P so yea it was like *U, i can proc on /brd so i can also on brd. the damn NM was just immune, HAD to be immune to earth or else i cant do /brd procs on a water strong NM >/<

here is a pic for the lovers :D

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2947/ffxi20110312200427.png

**the pic i show here is a lighting threnody on a water mob, but i also had to do a water elemental based threnody (fire threnody) on it to proc, and did work to... altho took alot more tries ^.^' (hence i said: ok it works.. was first proc on /brd :D) **

[Miera]

I'm a SCH the only BLM spells I cannot proc are Ancient Magic and T3 ga, so what you are saying is that I shouldn't even volunteer to go fight a NM I NEED because I cannot use those spells? Some BS.

Things like that is the reason why many people get the shaft when It comes to fighting NMs.

[Auredant]

I'm a SCH the only BLM spells I cannot proc are Ancient Magic and T3 ga, so what you are saying is that I shouldn't even volunteer to go fight a NM I NEED because I cannot use those spells? Some BS.

Things like that is the reason why many people get the shaft when It comes to fighting NMs.
Wouldnt say you cant volunteer but unless the group cant get a blm dont expect to be accepted. Naturally any party wants to be successfull at what they set out to do and blm gives them a greater chance at that, in that instance

[Valefor4life]

I've notice that in Nyzul whenever we get those can't cast magic detrimental floors we always have a blue mage with us.

[Miera]

Wouldnt say you cant volunteer but unless the group cant get a blm dont expect to be accepted. Naturally any party wants to be successfull at what they set out to do and blm gives them a greater chance at that, in that instance

This is exactly the reason why I hate being a SCH sometimes.. If you're not a WHM you're SOL, if you're not a BLM you're SOL, if you're not a MNK, NIN or THF you will get nowhere. F***ing drag I tell you.

[Khiinroye]

You have all the spells you can cast for triggers, you're fine. The topic is more about blm who didn't bother to get their -ga / AM spells, nins and /nin without their ni nukes / kurayami: ni, blu without the proper spells for triggers, brds without threnodies, whm and /whms without flash / banishes / holy. The same applies melee who don't have weapons or weaponskills for blue or red triggers.

[Auredant]

This is exactly the reason why I hate being a SCH sometimes.. If you're not a WHM you're SOL, if you're not a BLM you're SOL, if you're not a MNK, NIN or THF you will get nowhere. F***ing drag I tell you.
I would add WAR to that list, but yeah...Abbyssea gave alot of jobs the shaft. In situations where yellow trigger isnt needed I can see use. It's pugs where you'll have the most trouble. I usually tank on NIN and iv'e had a sch come main heal many times and be very satisfied. Of course the sch in question has other jobs and is part of my ls. If you were on my server i'd pearl ya as we always have enough jobs to cover triggers. Best of luck

[Miera]

I forgot about WAR but yeah I understand it just kinda sucks.

I have a Abyssea LS but I wont be able to go like I used to back then with college starting.

On topic, I've known people to burn their Mage jobs like BLM and BLU to 90 and couldn't afford the spells or didn't have the skills to learn them.

Though I know a BLU who was only missing a few BLU spells to proc and was having a hard time learning them, not because he didn't have the skill. on the contrary, he made sure he capped every level he gain and paused his XP [parties because he was afraid to be gimp.

BLU spells are a pain to learn sometimes, its all luck and what not. I remember spending a whole week trying to get a friend to learn Frenetic Rip and he was at the level and skills to learn it but he was super duper unlucky.

[kaht]

I'm a SCH the only BLM spells I cannot proc are Ancient Magic and T3 ga,


The ONLY spells you can't proc? That's HALF of the BLM spells. Of course u wouldn't get invited to proc spells when you could only do it 1/2 the time.

[Miera]

The ONLY spells you can't proc? That's HALF of the BLM spells. Of course u wouldn't get invited to proc spells when you could only do it 1/2 the time.
Exactly my point, it's unfair to exclude others because of their jobs/what SE gives them Spell wise, besides, half the time in a Random shout its usually never BLM spells that do proc.

[HFX7686]

Well, now that we are back on the original topic, I have to say that I agree.

I was once in the position of asking someone who only had BLM RDM and WAR levelled to come on BLM to proc yellow staggers but it turned out she was missing several tier 4 spells. This happened even after the third Abyssea add on had been released. I had even told her before she came out that she was needed to proc yellow. I was especially disgusted because she had had BLM at 75 long before the first Abyssea expansion. Her excuse was that the spells never dropped when she tried to farm her (which I replied she should just buy them then). I never invited her along again.

[annewandering]

what whm doesnt have those spells? or all spells for that matter. this is what you get from leeching a job to 90 and actually expecting to play it not just have for bragging rights.

I did level blm from 82 the rest of the way to 90 and do not have the spells for that and never will unless its accidental. Because of that I will never ever even pretend that its not anything but gimp which means I will not be doing it in a serious, or even semi serious, party/alliance. Its not that hard to understand that if you do not have your equip/spells etc up to standard then dont play it for serious.

[Rambus]

Please please please if you do not have ALL proc spells, please do not volunteer that job for a nm run. :( Take a few minutes to get all ur spells so ur pt doesnt hate u taking up a spot and not !! a nm cause u didnt bother to get Mind Blast. It makes baby chocos cry :(

you ran into situations where people did not have all thier spells?
I do not understand why/how someone would level a job without spells.

oh i forgot abyssea leveling, this is why abyssea needs to be level 70/75+ entery
people used to get kick out of party when you dont have important spells.


I'm a SCH the only BLM spells I cannot proc are Ancient Magic and T3 ga, so what you are saying is that I shouldn't even volunteer to go fight a NM I NEED because I cannot use those spells? Some BS.

Things like that is the reason why many people get the shaft when It comes to fighting NMs.

that is issue with abyssea, you need a heavy proc job or be hard to get invited.

MNK tank, THF tank, BLM, BLU , BRD , WHM. If you do not have any of these at lest to 75 expect a lot lower invite rate for seal farming.

people expect to have 2-4 people on said jobs because mobs useally drop 4 types of different seals

[cnedra]

That could easily be a brewed Drakesbane. In fact, I'm willing to bet it is. 6934*1.5=10401. Seems about right for a brew.

Ive seen drakesbane go for that much or close to that without brews. If it was with brew i would say its rather weak.

[Cupofnoodles]

Greatguardian,
Can you give your SIG creator credit since you took his intellectual property and used it for your own?
Thanks
CON

[RaenRyong]

Greatguardian, your sig is awful. I have no idea from looking at it how many assault points you have in each assault area. Fix please, my curiousity is burning.

[Nacht]

Greatguardian,
Can you give your SIG creator credit since you took his intellectual property and used it for your own?
Thanks
CON

It's not copyrighted. Also, I don't think he's using it in a way in that requires giving anyone else credit. In this case, giving credit would be more of an optional formality.

[Randwolf]

It's not copyrighted. Also, I don't think he's using it in a way in that requires giving anyone else credit. In this case, giving credit would be more of an optional formality.

I've reported all the damage epeen posts and siggie posts to the forum moderator (including this one). Ridiculous to step into a thread and use it to have your own conversation disregarding all the other posters staying on topic.

[HFX7686]

Greatguardian,
Can you give your SIG creator credit since you took his intellectual property and used it for your own?
Thanks
CON

I believe that dude copied it from someplace else anyway. It's not his original work. Really, you ought to be complaining at him.

[Eeek]

I've reported all the damage epeen posts and siggie posts to the forum moderator (including this one). Ridiculous to step into a thread and use it to have your own conversation disregarding all the other posters staying on topic.

Why is it ridiculous? Conversations naturally veer off in all sorts of directions, and a forum thread is nothing more than a conversation in text. It's easy to pick out the posts and lines of conversation you're interested in!

I feel for the moderators. Why should they have to deal with all the reports on signatures? I'm pleasantly surprised that some of them are keeping a sense of humor about the whole situation (/poke Emdub).

Also, instead of reporting signatures, you can go into your personal settings and turn them off! Why continuously report something that is explicitly allowed by forum functions?

[Nacht]

I'm more amused about the part where he started this particular off topic fork in the thread, and he's not happy about it. I was curious as to why he didn't post it in the thread about signatures, but I thought nah, forget it.

[Randwolf]

Why is it ridiculous? Conversations naturally veer off in all sorts of directions, and a forum thread is nothing more than a conversation in text. It's easy to pick out the posts and lines of conversation you're interested in!

I feel for the moderators. Why should they have to deal with all the reports on signatures? I'm pleasantly surprised that some of them are keeping a sense of humor about the whole situation (/poke Emdub).

Also, instead of reporting signatures, you can go into your personal settings and turn them off! Why continuously report something that is explicitly allowed by forum functions?
Not the siggies themselves. The posts about the siggies. And, almost always, some slightly off-topic post or side conversation happens in a thread. But, when the off-topic convo goes over 3 pages and takes over the thread, it's out of control. People have to practice some self-policing so the moderators don't need to step in as often. Maybe we need a separate thread about people completely derailing legitimate threads.

[Eeek]

Not the siggies themselves. The posts about the siggies. And, almost always, some slightly off-topic post or side conversation happens in a thread. But, when the off-topic convo goes over 3 pages and takes over the thread, it's out of control. People have to practice some self-policing so the moderators don't need to step in as often. Maybe we need a separate thread about people completely derailing legitimate threads.

Thread derails are a perfectly normal part of conversation. Also, people will find any reason, sensible or not, to complain about something. Anything. It doesn't matter. People will bitch just for the sake of bitching.

[Andylynn]

double edged message, yeah a mage should have all their spells, but do you know how expensive some of these spells are? combine the fact alot of allies are selfish and don't let you lot on spells when they drop, playing a mage these days sounds like a royal pain. we don't really need people on others cases about being the best of the best of the best for their job, for its pretty unreasonable to expect as much from others. too many variables leading to why they cant have them, just give em a break.

[Bublex]

Thread derails are a perfectly normal part of conversation.
That being said, let's try to keep the threads on topic.

I understand that threads can be unintentionally derailed. Threads that are no longer on topic run the risk of being locked by a moderator. If you notice the topic changing, please start a new thread to discuss the new issue.

Thank you,
GM Bublex

[Tamoa]

double edged message, yeah a mage should have all their spells, but do you know how expensive some of these spells are? combine the fact alot of allies are selfish and don't let you lot on spells when they drop, playing a mage these days sounds like a royal pain. we don't really need people on others cases about being the best of the best of the best for their job, for its pretty unreasonable to expect as much from others. too many variables leading to why they cant have them, just give em a break.

Yes some trigger spells have become expensive. No, that's not a valid excuse for not having those spells. Stop being so goddamn lazy, get the necessary gil for the necessary spells before joining seal runs or +2 item runs where people actually expect you to have your trigger spells.

[Boldheart]

Certain spells will cause a yellow !! to pop from the nm and then u usually get greater amounts of af upgrade items. Thye are called proc spells by most ppl

LOL for someone complaining of the situation, and not even giving a good explanation. Actually it's when you discover a NM's weakness and to do this you have to do the appropriate weaponskill or magic. Magic=Yellow proc, Red and BLue are weaponskill procs. Blue which usually gives a better drop rate from NM, and Red for atma usually but doesnt always have to be obtained to do so.

[Michae]

As topic started I of course agree with Tamoa. Gil is easy to come by these days, just sell a few sets of aurora, teal and pearle gear to an npc and whammo you have urself enough gil. Aside from blm spells (which honestly are spells u need anyway if you wanna play blm and most are purchased for cheap or easily quested). My biggest complaint are blu who do not take the time to get their proc spells.

Idk how many times I have heard "but I dont have anyone to help me get Mind Blast". Well guess what...you dont need anyone else if you know how to decently play blu. Took me 2 hrs soloing mind flayers to get it and I only died once. Its really not that hard, its more intimidation on players part cause yes mind flayers are freakin tough, but that does not mean u cannot solo them and get ur spell if you have even the slightest skill.

But when u volunteer for a seal run you are expected to have all ur spells and the skills to get them to land.

[nobodyhere]

lol lol lol ,

[Tamoa]

As for Mind Blast, I'm 99% certain the flayers in Abyssea - Vunkerl also use that special attack. And being in Abyssea it's even easier to solo.

[Randwolf]

As topic started I of course agree with Tamoa. Gil is easy to come by these days, just sell a few sets of aurora, teal and pearle gear to an npc and whammo you have urself enough gil. Aside from blm spells (which honestly are spells u need anyway if you wanna play blm and most are purchased for cheap or easily quested). My biggest complaint are blu who do not take the time to get their proc spells.

Idk how many times I have heard "but I dont have anyone to help me get Mind Blast". Well guess what...you dont need anyone else if you know how to decently play blu. Took me 2 hrs soloing mind flayers to get it and I only died once. Its really not that hard, its more intimidation on players part cause yes mind flayers are freakin tough, but that does not mean u cannot solo them and get ur spell if you have even the slightest skill.

But when u volunteer for a seal run you are expected to have all ur spells and the skills to get them to land.

This is a perception. Just a perception. So, feel free to argue it. But, at least for me, you won't change my mind.

When I first started the game, it seemed like there were some things that were expected of anyone who joined a party:

1) At least Decent Gear
2) A Fully Leveled Sub Job (meaning all the abilities and spells that a main would have at that level)
3) An Appropriate Sub Job (War/Whm, also known as Ghetto Paladin, was usually not accepted)
4) Appropriate Weapon (ie - Staff Monks without Leveled H2H were not considered appropriate)
5) At Cap or Near Cap Weapon Skill
6) The Ability to Perform a Skill Chain
7) All Magic Spells
8) At Cap or Near Cap Magic Skill
9) The Ability to Perform a Magic Burst
10) Access to the Zone
11) Ability to get to the Zone On Your Own
12) Food
13) A Way to Invisi and Sneak Yourself
14) Meds (although, those were not as important)
15) A Form of Reraise for End Game Activities

I'm not even sure I caught everything. But, believe it or not, those were expected things. Yes, there were always leeches. But, it just appears that their numbers have increased. It's interesting to hear people talk about how it is the party leader's responsibility to ask about these things. But, some of us came up in a world where that entire list was expected. The only thing a party leader should NEED to ask is if a certain job needs to have a Weapon Skill for proc but isn't the normal main weapon for that job (eg - A Monk who needs to proc Staff Weapon Skills). As far as whining about the cost of things, pretty much the complaint of not being able to afford a spell was dismissed as a lazy excuse. In fact, I remember having to post gear in my /sea comment. Some of it very expensive for my first job to 75. So, with the ease of obtaining 90 now, the excuses concerning skills and spells just seems like lazy whining.

Anyway, the game has changed. But, also, understand why some players have a hard time with excuses as to why people don't have the above listed items/abilities/skills/subs.

[Neisan_Quetz]

A more valid argument would have been Ancient magic since rarely are the Nms that drop them killed (Although I have seen a scant few still selling on AH). Not that any of the Nms are difficult now mind you.

[Michae]

There were alot of things expected for jobs which have been declining in the past few years, and even more drastically since the lvl cap increase. I remember all 15 of the above listed too. It seems with the ease of lvling the excuses for lack of skills and abilities and spells have increased tenfold. I remember being new and learning what is expected fast and it was seldom I made an excuss. It was also often that someone volunteered to help me obtain the more difficult things. Which is why I try to be there for newer players when they are in need of a little help, until of course they start to take advantage

[Lithera]

Lol Randwolf I still try to abide to those 15. Not having #15 in most endgame meant you biting an R1 unless you were close to deleveling. I will admit that I am missing 1 spell on my whm but that is only Boost-Chr. I still remember the days when whms would get booted or called gimped in a party if you didn't have Erase back when it cost 300k+ on some servers. Also know horrid it can be at getting some Blu spells. I'm married to a blu and friends with a few others. I have sat through fights where the moves get spamed but no one learns it. Or when you get the few mobs that do the move who seem to not have learned the move themselves. Just do your best at getting the spells. Those that don't have money for scrolls? Do what has been already suggested, or go solo the prime avatars. 10k per avatar, the wolf and the demon are 15k not sure about Odin or Alexander since I have not fought them. Also you can do them once an Earth day which equals to some nice cash by the end of the week if you just do the 6 10k ones.

[Miera]

I know quite a few White Mages who don't have Raise III. It drops from Kirin and some BCNMs people usually never help anyone with and the spell is going for about a mil now sunce no one does sky.

Though I think with Abyssea now Not having raise III isn't such a big deal.

[Nacht]

I know quite a few White Mages who don't have Raise III. It drops from Kirin and some BCNMs people usually never help anyone with and the spell is going for about a mil now sunce no one does sky.

Though I think with Abyssea now Not having raise III isn't such a big deal.

If I could unlearn raise3 and turn it into a scroll, I'd sell it in a heartbeat. As useless as gil is, I value the gil more than the spell.

[wish12oz]

I believe in the old 15 too. I've even personally kicked people from missions/quests/skillup/exp/etc for being to gimp. It just wasn't tolerated back in the day, if you wanted to accomplish anything anyway. People who couldnt bother to have proper eq/spells/temps/etc most likely could not be counted on to follow instructions, or be useful.

That said, I also refuse to buy r3 for my whm alt. I r1 myself cause my merits are capped, I could care less about saving more exp.

[Miera]

You booted people out of Skillup parties for being gimp? o.O

[wish12oz]

Ya, like pld/wars who refused to not tank and screamed they needed cures cause they were to gimp to not get their face beat in.

Honestly, for skillups, basically anyone who whined they needed others to assist them got the axe. Probably cause I played RDM and felt bad for the mages in the group trying to skill up, no one wants to cure/refresh/haste people, Mages wanted to skill up weapons and stuff. So anyone who wanted assistance and couldn't take care of them self got kicked.

[Randwolf]

A couple things have changed from that list. The biggie is everyone having Reraise, although, it is still expected in some situations. But, exp is so easy to get now, no one cares if they eat an R1. Thus why many of the RR2 items cost little more than the RR1 items, They used to cost 2 times as much or more. In the old days, many Dynamis shells would boot you from the zone if you didn't bring a form of RR. A wipe, with everyone having RR, was a 5 minute loss of time. If a lot of people didn't have RR, it meant you had to wait for all the weakened raisers' timers to reset if you didn't have a raise for everyone on the first round of raises. Of course, that was also before a small group could plow through Dynamis.

Also, in Abyssea, Atma>Gear. Of course, now you will see some people catch crap for not having at least 1 Atma.

Finally, too many violations of that list will still get you booted, although you probably couldn't get into, many end game shells.

[Khajit]

People don't catch crap for not having proper/decent atma only because we cant personally check what atma the other guy has on.

[Randwolf]

People don't catch crap for not having proper/decent atma only because we cant personally check what atma the other guy has on.

Depends what the Atma is. Pretty certain I can see when someone doesn't have the HP boost Atmas. And for the people who know the formulae for damage, they can fairly quickly tell if you don't have an Atma you claim you do for things involving melee/magic damage. Plus, some of the magic damage down Atma etc. Yeah, some things you can fake to a degree, but not all of them. And, while most things in Abyssea don't require a certain Atma, general overall gimpiness in Atma is easy to pick up because of the fact Atma makes you so overpowered.

[Miera]

Ya, like pld/wars who refused to not tank and screamed they needed cures cause they were to gimp to not get their face beat in.

Honestly, for skillups, basically anyone who whined they needed others to assist them got the axe. Probably cause I played RDM and felt bad for the mages in the group trying to skill up, no one wants to cure/refresh/haste people, Mages wanted to skill up weapons and stuff. So anyone who wanted assistance and couldn't take care of them self got kicked.

Ohh, okay that makes sense now.

[Lithera]

Another thing you know someone does not have or at least not active are refresh atmas I only have mm, have not completed ASA nor windy's mission line. I have a few friends and LS mates who don't have any refresh atmas so when they are actually inside with their Rdms or Blms/rdm they end up having to rest between NM pops or after a certain number of kills. You can kind of tell when someone doesn't have a good regain Atma on either. The only other thing I have run into and been guilty of my self is people not having ninja tools. I stopped having anything beyond shadows, invis, and sneak since I got my whm to 70. Ever since then it's been Lithera whm please, or me coming whm cause those who have it leveled either grumble about even being asked or are needed on another job. That and prices on Alexander for the non universal tools are fluxing so badly you could end up spending alot of dough just so you can proc something.

[Dale]

Please please please if you do not have ALL proc spells, please do not volunteer that job for a nm run. :( Take a few minutes to get all ur spells so ur pt doesnt hate u taking up a spot and not !! a nm cause u didnt bother to get Mind Blast. It makes baby chocos cry :(

This is just one of many things that are going to happen when you make it so easy to level up. If players don't need to take the time to upgrade their character to progress, a lot of them simply won't. It's human nature.

That's why I always supported a difficult leveling system that forces players to stay on par and adquately upgraded to reach the next level. Those days are long gone though.

You are gonig to see a lot of players who are level 90 with gimped combat and magic skills. Horrible gear. Missing spells. A lot of players are gonig to take the easy route straight to 90 and worry about upgrading and skilling up afterwards. It's the new norm so might as well get used to it.

[Thizzerio]

I believe in the old 15 too. I've even personally kicked people from missions/quests/skillup/exp/etc for being to gimp. It just wasn't tolerated back in the day, if you wanted to accomplish anything anyway. People who couldnt bother to have proper eq/spells/temps/etc most likely could not be counted on to follow instructions, or be useful.


I agree 100% i just recently had a BLM come to a orthrus, and think he would show up and roll aeth mantle w/o having proper spells, after failing to proc, because of him. Sure i said you could roll it, but thats before you made 1 stone drop on my friends KI because you are gimp.

QM mantle to ninja, stones to nin jewel FL claws FL = 1 pissed off BLM, but seriously the fact that i even let him stay in the group was like tossing some candy to a 9 yr old at your neighborhood lan center.