Down with Gear Swapping!

[Nidhogg]

Gear Swapping shouldn't be allowed in the game, I full time my AF3+2 and off hand my Relic with my Mythic, I can't bring myself to do an Empyrean after all the work I did and all the people I used to get my Relic and Mythic

Please SE add a penalty for Gear Swapping(Like in Brenner and Ballista), do you really think an NM is going to sit and watch you get undressed, then re-dress in front of them just so you can cast Ni 3 seconds faster? If I was Alfard I would stomp on the player in the middle of their gear change, I don't have all day to watch a Mithra get undressed to put on a bunch of Evasion Gear, or watch a Galka get undressed to put on a bunch of other gear to use Tachi: Jinpu

[Greatguardian]

Gear Swapping shouldn't be allowed in the game, I full time my AF3+2 and off hand my Relic with my Mythic, I can't bring myself to do an Empyrean after all the work I did and all the people I used to get my Relic and Mythic

Please SE add a penalty for Gear Swapping(Like in Brenner and Ballista), do you really think an NM is going to sit and watch you get undressed, then re-dress in front of them just so you can cast Ni 3 seconds faster? If I was Alfard I would stomp on the player in the middle of their gear change, I don't have all day to watch a Mithra get undressed to put on a bunch of Evasion Gear, or watch a Galka get undressed to put on a bunch of other gear to use Tachi: Jinpu

I call bs.

[Nidhogg]

What's with your Signature? DRG can't use Victory Smite.

Anyways I got to thinking, maybe they should add a 20s penalty terror for gear swapping that first leaves you vulnerable with no gear on before putting it on once you are unterrored.

[Takinagi]

Wow what a Noob.

[Greatguardian]

What's with your Signature? DRG can't use Victory Smite.

Anyways I got to thinking, maybe they should add a 20s penalty terror for gear swapping that first leaves you invulnerable with no gear on before putting it on once you are unterrored.

It was a light-hearted jab at a different signature on here. I would change it, but I don't have any awesome ideas for a new sig yet.

[Zyeriis]

It was a light-hearted jab at a different signature on here. I would change it, but I don't have any awesome ideas for a new sig yet.
I know what signature you're talking about and was trying to remember who else had a similar picture, with a much higher damage number, and lo-and-behold you made a joke about theirs xD Good job.

Anyway, is this thread a serious one? I don't normally turn down too many ideas, because most actually add something to the game. This one, however, removes something from the game that has been a cornerstone for years. No, just no.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Down with Gear Swapping!Healers would be happy and melee would cry. I like the idea of both. lol

[Greatguardian]

Healers would be happy and melee would cry. I like the idea of both. lol

Healers who would have to fulltime refresh gear, be unable to swap into HMP builds, and be generally unable to swap for any of their spells? I dare say they'd have it worse than melee :(

[Zyeriis]

Healers who would have to fulltime refresh gear, be unable to swap into HMP builds, and be generally unable to swap for any of their spells? I dare say they'd have it worse than melee :(

I'll fix it for him, one sec.


Healers would be crappy and melee would die.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I still like the idea of melee dying, it humors me. As for the healers, they don't rest anymore.

[Greatguardian]

I still like the idea of melee dying, it humors me. As for the healers, they don't rest anymore.

Abyssean midgame content is over :( and being forced to fulltime Refresh gear also severely limits their gear options.

All mages in the game would forever be stuck in Refresh Subligaria.

Subligaria.

Fulltime.

Everywhere.

Think about that.

[Zyeriis]

Abyssean midgame content is over :( and being forced to fulltime Refresh gear also severely limits their gear options.

All mages in the game would forever be stuck in Refresh Subligaria.

Subligaria.

Fulltime.

Everywhere.

Think about that.

As long as it's all bearded humes in those subligars, grinding their hips....*kills self mid-sentence via seppuku*

[Zumi]

Obvious troll post is obvious. You wanted to see how many people you could get to tell you that you are bad at FFXI?

[Linh]

Gear Swapping is like standing there for 5 minutes watching a Power Ranger summon their Zord.

[pheare]

I think gear swapping is ok... I just hate how if trying to heal some people blink like 40000 times in 30 seconds. I think you should get the 'have to wate longer to do this action' if you swap too many times too fast or something...

[Nacht]

You need to get more Cruor, Pheare. You can't even get atmas/cruor buffs.

[Nidhogg]

No one in my Linkshell gear swaps thankfully, our DDs do great damage full timing their AF3 +2, and our WHM and BRD who full time +2 have no problem with cures, I don't see why everyone thinks you have to gear swap to be great at this game.

[Kirana]

I think gear swapping is ok... I just hate how if trying to heal some people blink like 40000 times in 30 seconds. I think you should get the 'have to wate longer to do this action' if you swap too many times too fast or something...

use <stal> or <stpt> in your macros instead of <t>.

edit Reply to OP: Gear Swapping is an extremely important part of this game, which greatly improves the player's ability to adapt to situations, and improve their general effectiveness in combat. Removing gear swapping would make gameplay extremely bland/boring/annoying. It is a cornerstone of playing your job effectively and efficiently.

[pheare]

You need to get more Cruor, Pheare. You can't even get atmas/cruor buffs.

I know, but i had an urge to brew something even if it took me down to 13 before Maint. hit :\\

I'll make it up easy on the 25th though :)

[Alderin]

Go play FFXIV if you hate gear swaps so much. You're a healer I am assuming? <stal> fixes that problem.

Gear swaps have their place.


Gear Swapping shouldn't be allowed in the game, I full time my AF3+2 and off hand my Relic with my Mythic, I can't bring myself to do an Empyrean after all the work I did and all the people I used to get my Relic and Mythic

I am not sure where you are going with this either.. This post is a waste of my time and I am not going to bother with it.

[Urteil]

I use gearswaps for everything.

Only because its a necessary evil, its still flawed and fundamentally retarded.

[Nidhogg]

They cause major issues with the game mechanics and ruin everything!

[Yarly]

Wow what a Noob.

Stop being elitist. People can play how they want and have their opinions. Does this forum look like BG??????????????

[Kari]

Stop feeding the troll.

For those that are serious: Gear swaps will never be changed, unless SE gives us gear that covers multiple bases.
The only reason we gear swap is because SE has designed the game around doing so.
Other games give you one armor that covers multiple things so that gear swapping isn't necessary.
FFXI gives you multiple things across 70 pieces of gear.

[Ordoric]

how bout blm and sch nukeing and debuffing. go to sleep mobs OH WAIT I CANT USE MY Dark/Pluto's <add eymperum here> staff. party raped due to penalty.

[Haldarn]

I use gearswaps for everything.

Only because its a necessary evil, its still flawed and fundamentally retarded.
Agreed, it's not a clever mechanic at all. But it's there, so we must do it...

[RaenRyong]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1139/1298616536893.jpg

[lorzy]

i thought everyone was agreeing!

[Anethia]

Gear swaps can be a real nuisance. Especially if your a healer. My RL best friend plays whm and always complains about people gear swapping when he tries to cure them. But then he also plays blm and every nuke macro he has has a gear swap included. The next question is this, how is the person you specifically targeting supposed to know your targeting them?

Now there is a simple solution to this problem that some people have already worked out, And I believe SE should take a page from their play book and make it a standard option. Through PoL (for consoles) or the FFXI configuration utility (only available on PC) they should offer the option to disable .dat changes. Or a much simpler solution write in a code to the game that keeps target lock even during a gear swap. I mean in all seriousness if a mob doesn't lose aggro during a gear swap then why do we lose target lock on people who gear swap?

In my opinion these are much more constructive solutions to a problem inherent in the games design. But Penalizing people for gear swapping would not be a step in the right direction to a game element people have grown used to over the last 9 years. I don't encourage the use of 3rd party programs as a solution, I only brought it up to ask this: if some kid in their dorm room or parents basement can figure out how to do it, then why can't SE figure it out and implement it as a standard option?

[Dodge]

In my opinion these are much more constructive solutions to a problem inherent in the games design.

<stal> and <stpt> say hello

[Avarice]

Stop being elitist. People can play how they want and have their opinions. Does this forum look like BG??????????????

IT'S HIS $12.95!


Healers would be happy

Mages that continue to bitch about melee who change gear need to find a new job. End of discussion.

[Alderin]

<stal> and <stpt> say hello

Took the words out of my mouth. The healer argument doesn't exist with smart macro'ing.

[cidbahamut]

Actually healers would be happy. They wouldnt lose thier target while paging down an alliance party list to heal someone.

Stop posting this nonsense.

[Dodge]

Actually healers would be happy. They wouldnt lose thier target while paging down an alliance party list to heal someone.
If paging down a list of 18 people is tough enough work, I'd imagine that they're too lazy to breathe. Hook them up to life support, they can't be bothered to eat/drink on their own. FFS, why is there such an issue with <stal>/<stpt>?

[Henihhi]

IT'S HIS $12.95!



Mages that continue to bitch about melee who change gear need to find a new job. End of discussion.

That right there about sums it up. People claim to have played forever, try to give advice and still don't know this simple crap? And then wonder why people make fun of them. Seriously- SE had this fixed with those simple commands. Just because some people try to optimize their abilities by gear swapping and you choose not to is no reason to cry on official forums because you don't know how to make proper macros- The information is out there, and not very hard to find.

[cidbahamut]

FFS, why is there such an issue with <stal>/<stpt>?

Because people are lazy and ignorant.

[Hoshi]

Funny... I always thought of Nidhogg as a dragon. I guess I'll keep an eye out for him the next time I'm in Halvung.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

You know, I got a great idea how to fix the gear swaping issue, I think I'll post that next.


it is fixed, was fixed a long time ago, it is called <STPT> and for alliance I think its.... <STAL>?

People are just lazy and do not want to change their macros/still want something to complain about.

[Haldarn]

it is fixed, was fixed a long time ago, it is called <STPT> and for alliance I think its.... <STAL>?

People are just lazy and do not want to change their macros/still want something to complain about.
Ok, so I'm one of these lazy, ignorant ones. I'm doing something very wrong when I'm healing because I'm not using <stpt>/<stal>. Hell I'd never even heard it mentioned before that Haste thread last week. Please help me out.

I'm not sure how to implement it to prevent gear swap blinking from making me lose my target when I Cure. I have Cure IV set up in my Macros as Ctrl-4 so it swaps in Cure Potency gear and /ma "Cure IV" <t>. When I want to Cure a party member, I use the d-pad on my controller to scroll to the player and then Ctrl-4. If the player changes gear in the second or so that it takes to Ctrl-4 then it loses focus and the spell fails. Also, when I'm scrolling down the player list and I happen to highlight someone who then changes gear, my pointer goes back to the top of the list. This tends to happen once every other fight these days as more than a few ppl playing on my server clearly either have conditional auto gear-swap macros using 3rd party tools, or just a serious gear-swap mania.

Clearly I'm a noob, as the experienced players here have explained that all these troubles go away when you use <stpt>/<stal>. I usually go to ffxiclopedia for my info, but it doesn't go into specifics on how to implement this functionality.

By the sounds of it, I'm doing something intrinsically wrong here (please don't say 'using a controller') and would appreciate some guidance on how to use these tags. Plzbnicetx

[Chiibi]

I hope to god this is a joke... <stal> and <stpt> fix said problem mostly (unless they need to make the damn arrow bigger/different color)

[Dale]

Gear Swapping shouldn't be allowed in the game, I full time my AF3+2 and off hand my Relic with my Mythic, I can't bring myself to do an Empyrean after all the work I did and all the people I used to get my Relic and Mythic

Please SE add a penalty for Gear Swapping(Like in Brenner and Ballista), do you really think an NM is going to sit and watch you get undressed, then re-dress in front of them just so you can cast Ni 3 seconds faster? If I was Alfard I would stomp on the player in the middle of their gear change, I don't have all day to watch a Mithra get undressed to put on a bunch of Evasion Gear, or watch a Galka get undressed to put on a bunch of other gear to use Tachi: Jinpu

An interesting post, and I do feel there a problems with the way this game handles gear-swapping. The system deffinitely needs an overhual, i'll give you that. In fact if there is one thing on this game I wish SE would pay attention it's this.

Rather it's the annoying "blink" effect that occurs, wiping the current target of your entire party or your combat log being flooded with this useless and irritating equipment changed messages, it can drive me nuts.

I'm not against gear swapping as an added form of game play. But I do feel if they are going to make it part of the gameplay, they need to make it less clunky and more user-friendly - else I agree with you, they should just scrap it and not allow players to change gear during battle.

I doubt they are going to do this though, especially since there are so many annoying moves monsters do that remove equipment and such, as those would obviously have to be re-worked.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Ok, so I'm one of these lazy, ignorant ones. I'm doing something very wrong when I'm healing because I'm not using <stpt>/<stal>. Hell I'd never even heard it mentioned before that Haste thread last week. Please help me out.

I'm not sure how to implement it to prevent gear swap blinking from making me lose my target when I Cure. I have Cure IV set up in my Macros as Ctrl-4 so it swaps in Cure Potency gear and /ma "Cure IV" <t>. When I want to Cure a party member, I use the d-pad on my controller to scroll to the player and then Ctrl-4. If the player changes gear in the second or so that it takes to Ctrl-4 then it loses focus and the spell fails. Also, when I'm scrolling down the player list and I happen to highlight someone who then changes gear, my pointer goes back to the top of the list. This tends to happen once every other fight these days as more than a few ppl playing on my server clearly either have conditional auto gear-swap macros using 3rd party tools, or just a serious gear-swap mania.

Clearly I'm a noob, as the experienced players here have explained that all these troubles go away when you use <stpt>/<stal>. I usually go to ffxiclopedia for my info, but it doesn't go into specifics on how to implement this functionality.

By the sounds of it, I'm doing something intrinsically wrong here (please don't say 'using a controller') and would appreciate some guidance on how to use these tags. Plzbnicetx


instead of
/ma "Cure IV" <t>
make it
/ma "Cure IV" <stpt>
the curser will be down at the names of the people in your PT window, instead of them on the screen, there by avoiding the blink issue.

[Haldarn]

instead of
/ma "Cure IV" <t>
make it
/ma "Cure IV" <stpt>
the curser will be down at the names of the people in your PT window, instead of them on the screen, there by avoiding the blink issue.
Gotcha, so executing the macro won't cast the spell, like it did before - it'll just pop the arrow on the PT window. Thanks, that explains a lot. I was worried for a moment that I was expected to create a macro bar for each member of the party/alliance...

[Dale]

<stal> and <stpt> say hello

I haven't tried these yet because the server has been down but I don't see how this is going to help. Not everone uses a macro to do simple things like cure other players with. I certainly don't.

Does the person who actually is doing the gear swapping use these commands in their macro? Because unless they are -this would only help if you are in the middle of using a macroed command, so I really don't see it as being a solution at all. Would still bug the crap out of me.

[Haldarn]

Not everone uses a macro to do simple things like cure other players with. I certainly don't.
Surely you swap in Cure Potency gear (a Light Staff?) at the very least? Oh, unless you're a PLD I guess... :)

[Dale]

Surely you swap in Cure Potency gear (a Light Staff?) at the very least? Oh, unless you're a PLD I guess... :)

Yes i'm a Paladin and there is no way on earth i'd ever give up all of my current TP to heal with a light staff.

[Rambus]

Gear Swapping shouldn't be allowed in the game, I full time my AF3+2 and off hand my Relic with my Mythic, I can't bring myself to do an Empyrean after all the work I did and all the people I used to get my Relic and Mythic

Please SE add a penalty for Gear Swapping(Like in Brenner and Ballista), do you really think an NM is going to sit and watch you get undressed, then re-dress in front of them just so you can cast Ni 3 seconds faster? If I was Alfard I would stomp on the player in the middle of their gear change, I don't have all day to watch a Mithra get undressed to put on a bunch of Evasion Gear, or watch a Galka get undressed to put on a bunch of other gear to use Tachi: Jinpu


Really need to go to FFXIV if you do not macros, the only way this can happen if SE makes gear that would replace everything. back at 75 macros in some situations/ jobs macros where needed to get the job done.

you cannot be casting for damage in Enfeebling gear and so on.

[Neika]

Yes <stal> does work while ppl are swapping gear, i use it on my whm...still doesn't work on drg's doing jumps though... SE needs to fix that.

[Rambus]

Yes <stal> does work while ppl are swapping gear, i use it on my whm...still doesn't work on drg's doing jumps though... SE needs to fix that.

post in bug section?

[lorzy]

Yes <stal> does work while ppl are swapping gear, i use it on my whm...still doesn't work on drg's doing jumps though... SE needs to fix that.

do you mean super jump?

[Anethia]

it is fixed, was fixed a long time ago, it is called <STPT> and for alliance I think its.... <STAL>?

People are just lazy and do not want to change their macros/still want something to complain about.

Gee, as if I hadn't been using both of those ever since they were implemented. No I have have to be insulted for even suggesting a way to change it at the source. Nope it's too hard to say "that's a good idea", instead it's a lot easier to say "do this you lazy idiot". Which one of those took longer to type? The compliment or the insult? Get over yourselves and take my suggestion for what it is.

[Dale]

Really need to go to FFXIV if you do not macros, the only way this can happen if SE makes gear that would replace everything. back at 75 macros in some situations/ jobs macros where needed to get the job done.

you cannot be casting for damage in Enfeebling gear and so on.

Yes but there is a big difference in not using macros at all and then having to use them for everything - even the most simplest action only so you can stick a <stal> or w/e command at the end of it just to avoid having your target canceled every few seconds.

Point is the system is clunky and not very user-friendly. It needs a lot of work. IMHO, it's probably the game's worst design feature, and if i could name one thing to fix, it would be this.

[Neika]

do you mean super jump?

As far as I've noticed its any of the jumps. Other than that <stal> works awesome!

[Dale]

Gee, as if I hadn't been using both of those ever since they were implemented. No I have have to be insulted for even suggesting a way to change it at the source. Nope it's too hard to say "that's a good idea", instead it's a lot easier to say "do this you lazy idiot". Which one of those took longer to type? The compliment or the insult? Get over yourselves and take my suggestion for what it is.

Anathia, don't let them get to you.

The truth is expecting people to make a seperate macro for every command you ever do just so you can add <stal> on the end of it is ridiculous. It's as if manual play on any level becomes "lazy" in their words, which is pretty ironic.

We should all just admit the system needs some work, and hopefully SE will fix it.

[Rambus]

Yes but there is a big difference in not using macros at all and then having to use them for everything - even the most simplest action only so you can stick a <stal> or w/e command at the end of it just to avoid having your target canceled every few seconds.

Point is the system is clunky and not very user-friendly. It needs a lot of work. IMHO, it's probably the game's worst design feature, and if i could name one thing to fix, it would be this.

it is really an easy fix, make gear that replaces more gear.

like how SE made SCH emp+2 pants, all that did was make more macro and inv -1

[Dale]

it is really an easy fix, make gear that replaces more gear.

like how SE made SCH emp+2 pants, all that did was make more macro and inv -1

No i wasn't endorsing any particular solution.

I was just pointing out i don't think the presense of this <stal> command fixes the problems, as expecting everyone to have to make a seperate macro for every command they do just to avoid having their target suddenly canceled in the middle of the fight is unreasonable to put it mildly.

Square needs to pay this design flaw some attention, and either make it more user-friendly or scrap it all together. That's kind of what i'm saying.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Anathia, don't let them get to you.

The truth is expecting people to make a seperate macro for every command you ever do just so you can add <stal> on the end of it is ridiculous. It's as if manual play on any level becomes "lazy" in their words, which is pretty ironic.

We should all just admit the system needs some work, and hopefully SE will fix it.

as a WHM when I leveled it I had a diffrent macro for each of my PT members for cure, so I have 6 macros just for cure.

and really? you dont have to make macros for everything, just the important stuff that needs to be cast ASAP, like cure, and provke

[Gnoir]

I am not sure where you are going with this either.. This post is a waste of my time and I am not going to bother with it.[/QUOTE]

This should have ended this thread.

Edit: You can all see how much I post lol first time trying to use a quote, gotta love epic fails

[Rambus]

No i wasn't endorsing any particular solution.

I was just pointing out i don't think the presense of this <stal> command fixes the problems, as expecting everyone to have to make a seperate macro for every command they do just to avoid having their target suddenly canceled in the middle of the fight is unreasonable to put it mildly.

Square needs to pay this design flaw some attention, and either make it more user-friendly or scrap it all together. That's kind of what i'm saying.

I was making a statement how to fix the need of needing macros.

say in my SCh exmaple if you had sch +2 pants give Enhances "Light Arts" effect, INT+11, MND +11 MAB +3, dark magic +10

you would not need to macro out pants.

though getting macro gear is what FFXI is based on and be a lot less to do if that takes place.

QUOTE= Gnoir;51298 ] I am not sure where you are going with this either.. This post is a waste of my time and I am not going to bother with it.[/QUOTE]

This should have ended this thread.

Edit: You can all see how much I post lol first time trying to use a quote, gotta love epic fails[ /QUOTE]


thats what a quote looks like

[Chiibi]

O.o; whats so hard with adding <stal>? you dont need to make seperate macros at all. if you're gonna complain about gear swappers then whine about "making macros with <stpt/al> " why the hell are you complaining in the first place?

[Neika]

I use <stal> because then I can easily cure my alliance without having to tab around. I will admit i was kinda iffy about it at first cause I was used to my <t> macs, but I played my boyfriends rdm which had <stal> macs, and right after I went though my macs and changed them all lol. It not only works for gear-swappers, but also for easy curing :D

[Dale]

I was making a statement how to fix the need of needing macros.

say in my SCh exmaple if you had sch +2 pants give Enhances "Light Arts" effect, INT+11, MND +11 MAB +3, dark magic +10

you would not need to macro out pants.

though getting macro gear is what FFXI is based on and be a lot less to do if that takes place.

QUOTE= Gnoir;51298 ] I am not sure where you are going with this either.. This post is a waste of my time and I am not going to bother with it.

This should have ended this thread.

Edit: You can all see how much I post lol first time trying to use a quote, gotta love epic fails[ /QUOTE]


thats what a quote looks like[/QUOTE]

Oh don't worry about your problems using that silly [quote] thing. I have the same issues, which is why I hate it when people divide up my quotes and reply them in sections lol

Anyway, I understand what you are saying. An interesting idea, though it might cause certain gear pieces to become too powerful. In any case, it's better than having my target constantly flashing on and off, or me having to add a thousand new macros just so i can add some silly <stal> thing.

[Dale]

as a WHM when I leveled it I had a diffrent macro for each of my PT members for cure, so I have 6 macros just for cure.

and really? you dont have to make macros for everything, just the important stuff that needs to be cast ASAP, like cure, and provke

Ah why if it's Kailea, i should have known you would find me sooner or later.

You make my point for me. Having to make 6 different macros just for just a cure so you can avoid an annoying deisign flaw says it all. And that's not even taking into the account the constant stream of annoying useless yellow spam that will flood your combat log as a result.

The system needs work, and the fact you are willing to write a million pointless macros doesn't change this fact.

And no, you would have to write one for everything you do if you want to avoid the target cancellation effect, not just things you need to cast ASAP.

[Dale]

O.o; whats so hard with adding <stal>? you dont need to make seperate macros at all. if you're gonna complain about gear swappers then whine about "making macros with <stpt/al> " why the hell are you complaining in the first place?

It's a flawed annoying system. Not only does it supposedly force you into creating macros you would not otherwise need to create - but it floods your battle log with useless annoying spam.

It needs to change. Stop trying to to turn this into a "we aren't lazy and make macros" vs "you are lazy and don't make macros" discussion. It's silly how you are trying to frame this debate.

Just admit the system is flawed and needs some work.

[Chiibi]

I had a big multi paragraph response ready for something like that then i realized i genuinely didnt give a flying crap.

As you were.

[Anethia]

As a career dnc and pld every cure macro i have already has <stpt> in it for ease of targeting. I use the macro then use the F# 1-6 keys to target my pt without tabbing around and I only need CW 1-5 and HW as <st> macros, this way I don't have to macro for every person while trying to remember which one hits who. It's pretty easy, I just don't see any harm in having the option to turn off .dat swaps during gear changes. If that option were there from the start this thread wouldn't exist at all.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Ah why if it's Kailea, i should have known you would find me sooner or later.

You make my point for me. Having to make 6 different macros just for just a cure so you can avoid an annoying deisign flaw says it all. And that's not even taking into the account the constant stream of annoying useless yellow spam that will flood your combat log as a result.

The system needs work, and the fact you are willing to write a million pointless macros doesn't change this fact.

And no, you would have to write one for everything you do if you want to avoid the target cancellation effect, not just things you need to cast ASAP.

First off, I found you? I dont even know who you are -.- and second, this was my macro setup before <stpt>, and what is wrong with 6 cure macros, I can tell you that as a healer I could get cures out as fast as possible with that setup.



It's a flawed annoying system. Not only does it supposedly force you into creating macros you would not otherwise need to create - but it floods your battle log with useless annoying spam.

It needs to change. Stop trying to to turn this into a "we aren't lazy and make macros" vs "you are lazy and don't make macros" discussion. It's silly how you are trying to frame this debate.

Just admit the system is flawed and needs some work.

what junk are you talking about, having a cure macro places nothing into the chat window, unless your adding some stupid /p message or emote line

[Henihhi]

Here is a game a lot of you may enjoy.

http://www.notdoppler.com/superpressspacetowinactionrpg2009.php

No gear swapping involved!

[Valefor4life]

First off, I found you? I dont even know who you are -.- and second, this was my macro setup before <stpt>, and what is wrong with 6 cure macros, I can tell you that as a healer I could get cures out as fast as possible with that setup.




what junk are you talking about, having a cure macro places nothing into the chat window, unless your adding some stupid /p message or emote line

They're one of those people who don't know how to use chat filter and always wonder why they miss in a stun order because they didn't see the monster ready a JA. And everyone says wtf yo how you miss that your stun timer was up.

[magnius]

I really don't have anything to contribute to this thread because it's most likely a troll thread. I just wanted to say some of your sigs are freaking crazy lol

[Valefor4life]

Here is a game a lot of you may enjoy.

http://www.notdoppler.com/superpressspacetowinactionrpg2009.php

No gear swapping involved!

So many people who think FFXI is too hard should just delete their characters, quit and go play that game. It's much more simpler for them.

[TearValerin]

I repeat, if you cant use the macro properly that alleviates the entire issue, you shouldnt play said job.

[Skybrit]

Actually, that is pretty humorous now that I think about it. Changing clothes in battle.. funny thought! haha

[Malamasala]

I want to get rid of gear swapping too. The problem is that you have to solve the 500 design mistakes first that made all jobs rely on 60 armors each.

[Zyeriis]

This thread makes me want to commit seppuku in embarassment of other ffxi players :/ Inflammatory? Yes but this thread is an eyesore and should never have made it past the first page. You really want gear swapping removed so that you can be just as good as those that are better than you without any effort on your part? Good luck killing the game even quicker.

[Valefor4life]

Honestly I've never met anyone how has complain on healing me because I blink too much.

[RAIST]

Ok, so I'm one of these lazy, ignorant ones. I'm doing something very wrong when I'm healing because I'm not using <stpt>/<stal>. Hell I'd never even heard it mentioned before that Haste thread last week. Please help me out.

I'm not sure how to implement it to prevent gear swap blinking from making me lose my target when I Cure. I have Cure IV set up in my Macros as Ctrl-4 so it swaps in Cure Potency gear and /ma "Cure IV" <t>. When I want to Cure a party member, I use the d-pad on my controller to scroll to the player and then Ctrl-4. If the player changes gear in the second or so that it takes to Ctrl-4 then it loses focus and the spell fails. Also, when I'm scrolling down the player list and I happen to highlight someone who then changes gear, my pointer goes back to the top of the list. This tends to happen once every other fight these days as more than a few ppl playing on my server clearly either have conditional auto gear-swap macros using 3rd party tools, or just a serious gear-swap mania.

Clearly I'm a noob, as the experienced players here have explained that all these troubles go away when you use <stpt>/<stal>. I usually go to ffxiclopedia for my info, but it doesn't go into specifics on how to implement this functionality.

By the sounds of it, I'm doing something intrinsically wrong here (please don't say 'using a controller') and would appreciate some guidance on how to use these tags. Plzbnicetx

Make sure your cure call with the <stal> tag is the first line in the macro, followed by gear swaps. It won't do anything until you select target. If you swap then call cure, you could shoot yourself in the foot a little with the extra lag:

/ma "Cure IV" <stal>
/equip lines

If you feel the need to announce who you are curing on you can use the last target flag in the chat line at the end. Forget what it was, but should be on the wiki.

[Vyvian]

<lastst> im pretty sure

[Miera]

Wow! I am surprised that no one brought up PS2 Limitations!

Blinking sucks and it should die in a fire

[HFX7686]

I don't even use the <stal> etc. macros (too lazy to change them) and I've never had too much of a problem with blinking. I just keep myself targeted and switch when I go to cast. Very rarely do I miss. This is a non-issue.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

oh I agree blinking does suck, but I understand why blinking exists, and there for work around it with what SE has given me.

[Bulrogg]

All mages in the game would forever be stuck in Refresh Subligaria.

Subligaria.

Full-time.

Everywhere.

Think about that.


Does this Subligar make my crotch look fat? :confused: (http://googlemoogle.ytmnd.com/)

[magnius]

work around it with what SE has given me.

What a wonderful concept.

[Detoxy]

It was a light-hearted jab at a different signature on here. I would change it, but I don't have any awesome ideas for a new sig yet.

i want ur sig where u get it from

[Vortex]

Gear swaping is only a problem for people who are lazy...learn <stal> and live with, if you can't probably shouldn't be playing this, either way this is not "complain" worthy, it's almost as dumb as the "raise/lower the abyssea level caps" threads, i'm sorry but whining about gear swap is comeplety unesassary, good players will always do it, and it won't change or go away. it HAS to be done. i always use stal nor do i use any 3rd party programs to help with "blinking" issues, and i'v content and have no problems with it, it's not an issue at all IMO, you just need to learn how to work with it.

[Greatguardian]

i want ur sig where u get it from

Doublesbrian on BG, or "Phere" on these forums made the extended template and added my information in. It's pretty awesome.

[Yarly]

Doublesbrian on BG, or "Phere" on these forums made the extended template and added my information in. It's pretty awesome.

I think posting on BG is taboo for us users on this forum. Gonna have to consult "Phere"

[Bigtop]

I don't even use the <stal> etc. macros (too lazy to change them) and I've never had too much of a problem with blinking. I just keep myself targeted and switch when I go to cast. Very rarely do I miss. This is a non-issue.

I totally agree a non-issue... Is it annoying? Yes. Does it matter ? NO

[Morgantisthedon]

The only time blinking is a problem is realy in ballista and brenner atm. The use of allaince commands or party heal macros or with targets name in it avoids this. In there it causes a unfair advantage of you losing your target. But that asside I would like to say macro swapping opens up the dynamics of this game you can get as complex as simple as you want on something. Wearing a universal outfit if you are lazy also works. Or get in as much depth with a character as you want ... Lets take mnk for example
A macro for haste tp build ~all your +store tp and haste gear
A macro for str gear swap for wpn skill
a macro for chakra including ~vit and af body etc
a macro for chi blast~ all mnd af relic and stuff to boost this
etc etc
each item you have that raises a specific job ability stacked with other gear is situationaly able to be swaped in for its effect. To remove the depth a player wants to get into a specfic job would ruin alot of my play. I personaly enjoy seeing what al I can add to where and get the most out of something I want to do. If you dont want to swap gear then just wear a universal gear selection that works for you. The dynamics of swaping in and or out stuff for every job has some pros . It's just ;lugging all the equipment around with you and the time you have to devote to collect stuff for it and make macros for that players dont like.

[Jalserba_Darkwood]

when healing on my rdm and someone blinks i just re select them takes a few seconds and if they blink when they are bouta die preventing me from healing tough luck.

[Tamoa]

when healing on my rdm and someone blinks i just re select them takes a few seconds and if they blink when they are bouta die preventing me from healing tough luck.

That makes you a lazy (read: bad) rdm.

Btw do a spell check on your signature.


@Dale: First of all, brownie point to you for actually cross curing (or trying to) as pld. Second - Do you have a cure macro when on pld? Assuming you do - change the command in the macro to <stpt> or <stal>. If you don't have one, you should make one, using those commands.

[Kwate]

Gear Swapping shouldn't be allowed in the game, I full time my AF3+2 and off hand my Relic with my Mythic, I can't bring myself to do an Empyrean after all the work I did and all the people I used to get my Relic and Mythic

Please SE add a penalty for Gear Swapping(Like in Brenner and Ballista), do you really think an NM is going to sit and watch you get undressed, then re-dress in front of them just so you can cast Ni 3 seconds faster? If I was Alfard I would stomp on the player in the middle of their gear change, I don't have all day to watch a Mithra get undressed to put on a bunch of Evasion Gear, or watch a Galka get undressed to put on a bunch of other gear to use Tachi: Jinpu

So let me get this right, assume everything you say about your accomplishments are accurate. My guess is you gear swapped prior to obtaining your gear and relics, so since YOU got what you needed SE should just screw everyone else over. Did I hear you right?

[Jalserba_Darkwood]

Btw do a spell check on your signature.

thanks tamoa didnt notice that spell mistake eddited let me know if u see more ^^

i have never been good at spelling lol

[Crawlerbasher]

I'm sorry but as bst I need to gear swap for reward charm and attack.
You can't expect me to charm a mob with out using an Apollo staff or light staff and you can't expect me to have reward in there 900hp rather than the 1.3k hp I can get.

Or sacrifice damage output.

Just because you don't want to gear swap doesn't mean everyone else have to stop it.
we should play the game in our own ways.

[Krashport]

I'm sorry but as bst I need to gear swap for reward charm and attack.
You can't expect me to charm a mob with out using an Apollo staff or light staff and you can't expect me to have reward in there 900hp rather than the 1.3k hp I can get.

Or sacrifice damage output.

Just because you don't want to gear swap doesn't mean everyone else have to stop it.
we should play the game in our own ways.

You have my vote on this Crawlerbasher, Good job! ^^b

Just because you don't want to gear swap doesn't mean everyone else have to stop it.
we should play the game in our own ways.

[Eeek]

when healing on my rdm and someone blinks i just re select them takes a few seconds and if they blink when they are bouta die preventing me from healing tough luck.

SE addressed this issue years ago. Adjust your macros to <stpt> (for party members) and <stal> (for alliance members). With these macros, you will not lose target when someone changes gear.

[Izzybella]

So let me get this right, assume everything you say about your accomplishments are accurate. My guess is you gear swapped prior to obtaining your gear and relics, so since YOU got what you needed SE should just screw everyone else over. Did I hear you right?

Yes, I believe you did. The most interesting, and telling, part of his post (to me anyways) was:

and all the people I used to get my Relic and Mythic

[Chiibi]

SE addressed this issue years ago. Adjust your macros to <stpt> (for party members) and <stal> (for alliance members). With these macros, you will not lose target when someone changes gear.

im pretty sure <stpt> limits it to the party and <stal> is your party and allience so just put <stal> and call it a day

[Neika]

im pretty sure <stpt> limits it to the party and <stal> is your party and allience so just put <stal> and call it a day

Yep. I have all my cure macs set as just <stal>. I love it!

[Deadlyscorpion]

SE addressed this issue years ago. Adjust your macros to <stpt> (for party members) and <stal> (for alliance members). With these macros, you will not lose target when someone changes gear.

Wow thank you!!! I didn't know about that one. I knew about stpt but not stal.

[Eeek]

im pretty sure <stpt> limits it to the party and <stal> is your party and allience so just put <stal> and call it a day

Why would you do that? Can you quickly target your party members with <stal>?

It's actually an honest question! I don't know the answer since I'm quick enough to type-cast most of my spells.

[Andylynn]

thanks tamoa didnt notice that spell mistake eddited let me know if u see more ^^

i have never been good at spelling lol

Forget the past. Ignore the future. Enjoy the present. still incorrect :|. we dont really need to rid of gear swapping, why is this thread still up?

[Dale]

First off, I found you? I dont even know who you are -.- and second, this was my macro setup before <stpt>, and what is wrong with 6 cure macros, I can tell you that as a healer I could get cures out as fast as possible with that setup.



what junk are you talking about, having a cure macro places nothing into the chat window, unless your adding some stupid /p message or emote line

yeah ok, go on pretending that :)

And gear-swapping macros floods your battle log with spam. Especially if you do it a lot and change a lot of gear at once. Just try it and you will see ^^

[Dale]

They're one of those people who don't know how to use chat filter and always wonder why they miss in a stun order because they didn't see the monster ready a JA. And everyone says wtf yo how you miss that your stun timer was up.

Oh really?

Is there a way to filter out the Equipment Change message? I would love to hear this :)

[Dale]

The only time blinking is a problem is realy in ballista and brenner atm. The use of allaince commands or party heal macros or with targets name in it avoids this. In there it causes a unfair advantage of you losing your target. But that asside I would like to say macro swapping opens up the dynamics of this game you can get as complex as simple as you want on something. Wearing a universal outfit if you are lazy also works. Or get in as much depth with a character as you want ... Lets take mnk for example
A macro for haste tp build ~all your +store tp and haste gear
A macro for str gear swap for wpn skill
a macro for chakra including ~vit and af body etc
a macro for chi blast~ all mnd af relic and stuff to boost this
etc etc
each item you have that raises a specific job ability stacked with other gear is situationaly able to be swaped in for its effect. To remove the depth a player wants to get into a specfic job would ruin alot of my play. I personaly enjoy seeing what al I can add to where and get the most out of something I want to do. If you dont want to swap gear then just wear a universal gear selection that works for you. The dynamics of swaping in and or out stuff for every job has some pros . It's just ;lugging all the equipment around with you and the time you have to devote to collect stuff for it and make macros for that players dont like.

I agree it adds to the depth of game-play Morgan. But it's a clunky system that needs refinement.

[Andylynn]

Oh really?

Is there a way to filter out the Equipment Change message? I would love to hear this :)

there is, but the method of doing so is considered illegal by SE.

[Dale]

there is, but the method of doing so is considered illegal by SE.

Ah i see, so I'm getting talked down for not knowing how to illegally tamper with the game. Nice.

For Valefor's sake I hope the moderators are not reading this thread today. I would hate to see his account get banned :)

[Alderin]

Why would you do that? Can you quickly target your party members with <stal>?

It's actually an honest question! I don't know the answer since I'm quick enough to type-cast most of my spells.

Yep.. It's the same as normal - F1, F2, F3 etc selects the people specifically in your party i believe.. (correct me if I am wrong on this one). As for alliance - you can't help that one unfortunately. (Unless someone else knows another way?)

But in my opinion it is just as fast to quickly scroll up or down on the person you need to heal from the party list... Truly doesnt take that long - Most of the time you will only have to cure your own party but <stal> lets you target ally members from the list as well..

[Bigboy]

Ah i see, so I'm getting talked down for not knowing how to illegally tamper with the game. Nice.

For Valefor's sake I hope the moderators are not reading this thread today. I would hate to see his account get banned :)
I don't know if you were really getting talked down to. It's more of a jab at SE for not implementing something that some 3rd party has been able to figure out, but for some reason SE hasn't. Clearly SE values your ability to filter superfluous messages from your chat log. This just happens to be one case where they haven't.

[Nacht]

Yep.. It's the same as normal - F1, F2, F3 etc selects the people specifically in your party i believe.. (correct me if I am wrong on this one). As for alliance - you can't help that one unfortunately. (Unless someone else knows another way?)

But in my opinion it is just as fast to quickly scroll up or down on the person you need to heal from the party list... Truly doesnt take that long - Most of the time you will only have to cure your own party but <stal> lets you target ally members from the list as well..

Unless they changed it, you have to hit F1, F2, F3, etc before using <stal> or <stpt>. It's the reason I've stuck with <stpc>. But I also don't bitch about people swapping gear.

[Greatguardian]

Unless they changed it, you have to hit F1, F2, F3, etc before using <stal> or <stpt>. It's the reason I've stuck with <stpc>. But I also don't bitch about people swapping gear.

I believe it's more the default is set to whoever you have targeted, like stpc. You can target someone, then hit the stpt macro, and the cursor will be on them. Or you can just hit the stpt macro and scroll up/down the party list from whoever you had targeted to the person you want to cure. I don't use them either, personally, but I'm quick with my function keys and I've never had an issue with target loss, despite working with some Christmas Tree Plds/DDs over the years. I still highly recommend stpt/stal.

[Nacht]

I believe it's more the default is set to whoever you have targeted, like stpc. You can target someone, then hit the stpt macro, and the cursor will be on them. Or you can just hit the stpt macro and scroll up/down the party list from whoever you had targeted to the person you want to cure. I don't use them either, personally, but I'm quick with my function keys and I've never had an issue with target loss, despite working with some Christmas Tree Plds/DDs over the years. I still highly recommend stpt/stal.

I use other ways of coping with gear swapping. And the scrolling up and down has always been available with compact keyboard.

[Phoenyx]

Unless they changed it, you have to hit F1, F2, F3, etc before using <stal> or <stpt>. It's the reason I've stuck with <stpc>. But I also don't bitch about people swapping gear.

If you have <stal> or <stpt> in a macro, you do not need a current target selected. Using either in a macro allows you to select a character via the party list on the right side of the screen using Up/Down and does not move your target cursor. Whereas the <stpc> and <stnpc> commands require you to tab around to find your target.

[Eeek]

Thanks for the answers. I'll fiddle with <stal> after the servers come up. It'll give me something to do while I AFK directly on top of Joachim.

[Dale]

I don't know if you were really getting talked down to. It's more of a jab at SE for not implementing something that some 3rd party has been able to figure out, but for some reason SE hasn't. Clearly SE values your ability to filter superfluous messages from your chat log. This just happens to be one case where they haven't.

No trust me, i was getting talked down. I was being compared to someone who was too stupid to use chat filters so he could stun effectively or something.... it was deffinitely a condescending retort at my expense lol

Not to say i'm never a worthy target for such a comment, but in this instance - considering i would have to resort to illegal activity and risk being banned, i think it was an unfair jab :)

[Cyx]

The only good thing about this thread is the whms that learned about a new way to heal. That being said everyone who actually replied to this thread with a serious intent to voice there opinion is an idiot.

[Dale]

The only good thing about this thread is the whms that learned about a new way to heal. That being said everyone who actually replied to this thread with a serious intent to voice there opinion is an idiot.

So let me get this straight. You are calling people who participated in this thread an idiot while you yourself are posting in it. Think about that then ask yourself who the real idiot is :)

[Nacht]

If you have <stal> or <stpt> in a macro, you do not need a current target selected. Using either in a macro allows you to select a character via the party list on the right side of the screen using Up/Down and does not move your target cursor. Whereas the <stpc> and <stnpc> commands require you to tab around to find your target.

You can still scroll up and down with <stpc>. You need to set certain keys in compact keyboard mode though. It's what I used. I tried both and I actually prefer <stpc>. Like I said though, I have ways of coping with gear swapping.

[Greatguardian]

So let me get this straight. You are calling people who participated in this thread an idiot while you yourself are posting in it. Think about that then ask yourself who the real idiot is :)

He said serious intent. Anyone who came in to talk down about gear swapping, or to try and defend gear swapping in a serious manner got wooshed really really hard by the OP.

[Cyx]

So let me get this straight. You are calling people who participated in this thread an idiot while you yourself are posting in it. Think about that then ask yourself who the real idiot is :)

I should have said "with a serious intent to voice there opinion about gear swapping". I'll call myself an idiot I don't mind, but it is quit obvious when Nid, RichardNixon or any other troll on this site posts a thread about something incredibly troll worthy and over 100 people are dumb enough to reply to it like it is real. People need to wake up.

[Dale]

He said serious intent. Anyone who came in to talk down about gear swapping, or to try and defend gear swapping in a serious manner got wooshed really really hard by the OP.

I would prefer people posting seriously with some intent than just blanket insults.

[Dale]

I should have said "with a serious intent to voice there opinion about gear swapping". I'll call myself an idiot I don't mind, but it is quit obvious when Nid, RichardNixon or any other troll on this site posts a thread about something incredibly troll worthy and over 100 people are dumb enough to reply to it like it is real. People need to wake up.

Well I happen to think the discussion about gear swapping and how to improve the system is probably my most number 1 issue i wish Square would address right now, so I don't think it's idiotic to talk about it.

[Greatguardian]

I should have said "with a serious intent to voice there opinion about gear swapping". I'll call myself an idiot I don't mind, but it is quit obvious when Nid, RichardNixon or any other troll on this site posts a thread about something incredibly troll worthy and over 100 people are dumb enough to reply to it like it is real. People need to wake up.

I think they're doing us a great public service. Some people really are bad enough at FFXI to think gear swapping needs to go. Posting these troll treads allow the general FFXI populace to identify these players so we know who never to take to anything remotely serious in the future. Darwinism, etc.

[Cyx]

I would prefer people posting seriously with some intent than just blanket insults.

You'd prefer serious conversations about something that was put in the game for a reason? I can see it now, the huge debate on how White Mages only really need 1 cure spell and all the rest are a waste of space. Or, how about how SE should only make 1 DD and get rid of the rest. If you think about it there is no reason to have more than 1 melee job.

[Eeek]

I think they're doing us a great public service. Some people really are bad enough at FFXI to think gear swapping needs to go. Posting these troll treads allow the general FFXI populace to identify these players so we know who never to take to anything remotely serious in the future. Darwinism, etc.

To be honest, I didn't even bother to read the OP. The thread was 11+ pages when I first saw it, and I sure didn't expect the thread to still be on-topic after so many pages.

But yeah, you're right. The OP is a clear troll. Brb combing my hair.

[Morgantisthedon]

when healing on my rdm and someone blinks i just re select them takes a few seconds and if they blink when they are bouta die preventing me from healing tough luck.

I agree :) If you use alot of macros to swap gear and a specfic mage is having problems healing you stay in the specific gear you have on so they can heal you this is another way to help them till you get cure bombed. Knowing how specific heals works I have made peoples names on them dependant if they where a mp sponge to further help me with this. But use the swap with good judgment is a good rule of thumb... sure it can bring greatness,.,,,, also your death to a inexperianced healer who keeps losing target of you .... If this happens adjust you play to them so they can target you while weak. Rember FFXI isnt how great you are..... Its the people around you that make you great as a team and how you work with them <3

[Valefor4life]

I think they're doing us a great public service. Some people really are bad enough at FFXI to think gear swapping needs to go. Posting these troll treads allow the general FFXI populace to identify these players so we know who never to take to anything remotely serious in the future. Darwinism, etc.

I agree. These people need to let other ppl on their server know that they can't main heal because someone is blinking too much.

[Dale]

You'd prefer serious conversations about something that was put in the game for a reason? I can see it now, the huge debate on how White Mages only really need 1 cure spell and all the rest are a waste of space. Or, how about how SE should only make 1 DD and get rid of the rest. If you think about it there is no reason to have more than 1 melee job.

There are some very big problems with the way gear-swapping is handled in this game, and they do need to be flushed out and fixed in my opinion. The inventory space thing is just one of many things that were discussed in this thread, and not one i even bothered to dwell on or one that interests me - if that's what you were trying to elude to with your comment.

The fact it floods your battle log with useless annoying spam and causes players to blink on and off constantly canceling your target is what bugs me. The iventory issue, not so much.

[Dale]

I agree. These people need to let other ppl on their server know that they can't main heal because someone is blinking too much.

The blinking crap is stupid and annoying. I don't care what you and your allys think :)

[Cyx]

I agree. These people need to let other ppl on their server know that they can't main heal because someone is blinking too much.

This is no joke. If you are a healer and blame the DD for dieing because you couldn't target them you are a joke. Anticipation to attacks makes for a good healer/player not retaliation.

[Airenn]

Forget the past. Ignore the future. Enjoy the present. still incorrect :|. we dont really need to rid of gear swapping, why is this thread still up?

RIGHT ON TEARVALERIN AT IT AGAIN!!!

[Henihhi]

Cyx has it right. If you are a healer blaming DD for dying "because they blink" then please don't play a healer job. Problem solved, all this annoying whining goes away. I would rather SE look into bigger and better things than listening to people who are too mentally challenged to use proper macros.

[Dale]

Cyx has it right. If you are a healer blaming DD for dying "because they blink" then please don't play a healer job. Problem solved, all this annoying whining goes away. I would rather SE look into bigger and better things than listening to people who are too mentally challenged to use proper macros.

It's not just with heals. It's anything that requires targeting. And exepcting people to create a seperate macro for everythign they do just so you can avoid having your target suddenly canceled on the whim of someone else is too much of an inconvience, i'm sorry.

If it was just with healing spells alone, then yes - it woudn't be a huge problem. But it isn't. This is a false debate, this whole healing thing. A non-issue for people to seize onto and call people names over.

[Nidhogg]

I honestly cannot see why people would assume I'm trolling, perhaps my lack of posting on the boards because I don't have a lot of free time to actually sit down and post daily.

I do use my Murgleis over my Excalibur, I think that when I hit Aftermath Lv.3 its a stronger weapon then Excalibur, not to mention my Death Blossom is much stronger then my KoR will ever be whenever I use it, I'm strongly against gear swapping because I think its absolutely useless! I could carry more meds with me, more pop items, and hold more pop items if need when I do events, I've got 18/20 jobs to 90 with them all geared, and I've given up with gear swapping about 2 years ago because its just not worth the benefit and I don't notice a decrease in my characters performance.

If I'm planning to play DD I grab all my haste gear, if I'm planning to Mage I grab all my Cure gear, If I'm going to be Nuking well thankfully I've got Laevateinn recently to 90 and it pulls ahead over those silly staves everyone is working their tail off attempting to build.

:( I'm not a troll and I'm strongly against Gear Swapping, and I do understand the game mechanics but the marginal increase that swapping from one piece of gear to another during a weapon skill is so minimal in my eyes that its not worth the inventory -1 and I'd rather give it to someone else who thinks they would utilize it better.

[Dale]

I honestly cannot see why people would assume I'm trolling, perhaps my lack of posting on the boards because I don't have a lot of free time to actually sit down and post daily.

I do use my Murgleis over my Excalibur, I think that when I hit Aftermath Lv.3 its a stronger weapon then Excalibur, not to mention my Death Blossom is much stronger then my KoR will ever be whenever I use it, I'm strongly against gear swapping because I think its absolutely useless! I could carry more meds with me, more pop items, and hold more pop items if need when I do events, I've got 18/20 jobs to 90 with them all geared, and I've given up with gear swapping about 2 years ago because its just not worth the benefit and I don't notice a decrease in my characters performance.

If I'm planning to play DD I grab all my haste gear, if I'm planning to Mage I grab all my Cure gear, If I'm going to be Nuking well thankfully I've got Laevateinn recently to 90 and it pulls ahead over those silly staves everyone is working their tail off attempting to build.

:( I'm not a troll and I'm strongly against Gear Swapping, and I do understand the game mechanics but the marginal increase that swapping from one piece of gear to another during a weapon skill is so minimal in my eyes that its not worth the inventory -1 and I'd rather give it to someone else who thinks they would utilize it better.

You have a different opinion than them Nidhogg. Therefore you are either an idiot or trolling. Haven't you learned this yet? :) (That was sarcasm in case you could not tell)

That being said I do have to disagree with you though. I think swapping gear is worth it for the increase in performance, else believe you me, i woudn't be doing it, as it annoys the living _____ out of me. I think what it adds to your character is very significant.

[Nathen]

They will never remove gear swapping. I agree though it makes absolutely no sense why in game a monster would wait while you switch armor belts and shoes. I also tend to enjoy gear swaps for the extra damage. I do think your trolling though, either that or are just trying to brag of the weapons you claim to have. If you do have them good for you but don't need to knock gear swaps for it,

[Greatguardian]

I honestly cannot see why people would assume I'm trolling, perhaps my lack of posting on the boards because I don't have a lot of free time to actually sit down and post daily.

I do use my Murgleis over my Excalibur, I think that when I hit Aftermath Lv.3 its a stronger weapon then Excalibur, not to mention my Death Blossom is much stronger then my KoR will ever be whenever I use it, I'm strongly against gear swapping because I think its absolutely useless! I could carry more meds with me, more pop items, and hold more pop items if need when I do events, I've got 18/20 jobs to 90 with them all geared, and I've given up with gear swapping about 2 years ago because its just not worth the benefit and I don't notice a decrease in my characters performance.

If I'm planning to play DD I grab all my haste gear, if I'm planning to Mage I grab all my Cure gear, If I'm going to be Nuking well thankfully I've got Laevateinn recently to 90 and it pulls ahead over those silly staves everyone is working their tail off attempting to build.

:( I'm not a troll and I'm strongly against Gear Swapping, and I do understand the game mechanics but the marginal increase that swapping from one piece of gear to another during a weapon skill is so minimal in my eyes that its not worth the inventory -1 and I'd rather give it to someone else who thinks they would utilize it better.

Nidhogg, you so silly.

Everyone knows you don't need any weapon other than Spike Flail.

[Ryland]

Oh god I just now noticed the spike flail pic was your signature. I thought you were just endlessly showcasing a lackluster performance.

[Bulrogg]

If you really want to make sure the spell goes off you can always resort to using up all your macro books by making PC slot spells.

/ma "spell" <##>

where <##> = <p0> - <p5> ~ <a10> - <a15> ~ <a20> - <a25>

Although I wouldn't, it is an option to make sure the spell goes of regardless of you or others flashing.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

It's not just with heals. It's anything that requires targeting. And exepcting people to create a seperate macro for everythign they do just so you can avoid having your target suddenly canceled on the whim of someone else is too much of an inconvience, i'm sorry.

If it was just with healing spells alone, then yes - it woudn't be a huge problem. But it isn't. This is a false debate, this whole healing thing. A non-issue for people to seize onto and call people names over.

you dont need to have macros for everything you do, just the important stuff.

[Henihhi]

Lol you should see how many macros i have for whm rdm blm brd mnk etc- and making them all took a whole 30 minutes out of my day. Whining about this is sheer laziness. If you can't heal through blinks or dd with target switching then you fail. It is very simple. I mean seriously reading this crap has made me realize just how fail most people are. Gear swaps have been here since the beginning, do they suck? yes. Did se give us a way to deal with them? yes. So what the hell is the issue

[Invasion]

..... I think my IQ just dropped.

[Zyeriis]

..... I think my IQ just dropped.

I IQ dropped my think.

[Deadlyscorpion]

What the.. i don't even...

[Flunklesnarkin]

I always thought gear swapping added a level of complexity to the game

game would be much more boring without it.

[Henihhi]

I guess their IQ drops when reading actual sentences and not whining to SE to keep handing out candy. Sorry for being so articulate <oops big word> Next time i will type it out in first grade level sentences so all of you can understand.

[Zyeriis]

Heni, we (at least I) weren't aiming that at you. My Troll picture was an answer to the question you posed. This thread is stupid. I was agreeing with you.

[Henihhi]

Oh lol my bad. /smiley face Here's a nice video for everyone for a few lols

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCgx8zM3woQ

[Zyeriis]

Deleted my troll picture but aren't closing this thread that isn't constructive? Really? This thread is about removing something from the game, synonymous with destruction. Destruction being the opposite of Construction. Seriously, close this thread if you are going to delete my post calling this topic a troll topic, cause it is.

[Bulrogg]

Maybe SE can come up with a filter or configuration that we can set to on/off that does not update PC gear changes unless that person goes out of range or something. Maybe similar to the Reduced Animation configuration.

[Dale]

you dont need to have macros for everything you do, just the important stuff.

I don't know why people keep saying this. It's just not true.

I have played with people who gear swap like it's a compulsion. I would have had to create a macro for just about every ability i use to have prevent my target from being canceled. It depends on the extent the people you are with use the technique, and I think a lot of the people pretending this isn't a big deal and just useless whining have been lucky enough not to party with people who use it like a compulsive habit.

It's just irritating. I already have a zillion macros. I really don't have the room or the head to use a zillion more.

I gear swap a ton myself, but only with gear that doesn't cause the blink effect. Why? Because i know how annoying it is I don't want to drive other players nuts. Be nice if everyone else would afford the same courtesy.

I would only swap gear during a fight that causes the "blink" effect for rare actions you don't use very often - otherwise the annoyance you will cause others will far outweight the benefits gained IMHO.

This is a real problem and Square should get around to doing something about it that doesn't involve having to make 50 extra macros so I can spend more time flipping through rows of macros than I do actually enjoying the game. Perhaps they should simply add this <stal> command or w/e into the coding of the game so that the command is automatically used with all targeted spells and ablities. I don't know enough about programming to know if that's a realistic solution or not, but it is one idea.

And then there is the spam issue also, flooding my battle log with this annoying yellow message telling me something i already know. That needs to be fixed also, and is just as irritating as the "blink" crap. Gear-swapping during battle has just become too big a part of FF 11's accepted game play for it to be as clunky as it is today. It's time it got some refinements.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I don't know why people keep saying this. It's just not true.

I have played with people who gear swap like it's a compulsion. I would have had to create a macro for just about every ability i use to have prevent my target from being canceled. It depends on the extent the people you are with use the technique, and I think a lot of the people pretending this isn't a big deal and just useless whining have been lucky enough not to party with people who use it like a compulsive habit.

It's just irritating. I already have a zillion macros. I really don't have the room or the head to use a zillion more.

I gear swap a ton myself, but only with gear that doesn't cause the blink effect. Why? Because i know how annoying it is I don't want to drive other players nuts. Be nice if everyone else would afford the same courtesy.

I would only swap gear during a fight that causes the "blink" effect for rare actions you don't use very often - otherwise the annoyance you will cause others will far outweight the benefits gained IMHO.

This is a real problem and Square should get around to doing something about it that doesn't involve having to make 50 extra macros so I can spend more time flipping through rows of macros than I do actually enjoying the game.

And then there is the spam issue also, flooding my battle log with this annoying yellow message telling me something i already know. That needs to be fixed also, and is just as irritating as the "blink" crap. Gear-swapping during battle has just become too big a part of FF 11's accepted game play for it to be as clunky as it is today. It's time it got some refinements.

as DRG... I gear swap for WS (twice actually) for healing breath, for jumps, and for when I go in and out of battle (I have some of that dusk crap) and none of the mages in my LS ever complain or have a problem healing me.

as DNC it is even worse, I gear swap for everything I do. The only job that is one of my three mains that I dont geaerswap on is PUP, but that is only level 40 or so.

it is all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands.

[Dale]

as DRG... I gear swap for WS (twice actually) for healing breath, for jumps, and for when I go in and out of battle (I have some of that dusk crap) and none of the mages in my LS ever complain or have a problem healing me.

as DNC it is even worse, I gear swap for everything I do. The only job that is one of my three mains that I dont geaerswap on is PUP, but that is only level 40 or so.

it is all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands.

Just because they aren't complaining doesn't mean it's not driving them nuts :)

And it's not all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands. It is about a broken system that needs to be tweaked in a more appropriate way. It may not bother you having to create a macro for every single abilty you use that requires targeting, but a lot of us are going to think that's unreasonable.

They also need to get rid of the annoying yellow spam.

[Zyeriis]

Fact of the thread/OP: They want to REMOVE gear swapping. This is why this thread is a waste of space and needs to be deleted. Is there really an argument on this? I can see the argument about a change being made but, come on, this thread is not a solution, nor is it a change, they just want gear swapping removed so they can think they're as good as everyone else, this thread is part of the problem if you ask me.

[Dale]

Fact of the thread/OP: They want to REMOVE gear swapping. This is why this thread is a waste of space and needs to be deleted. Is there really an argument on this? I can see the argument about a change being made but, come on, this thread is not a solution, nor is it a change, they just want gear swapping removed so they can think they're as good as everyone else, this thread is part of the problem if you ask me.

Well like I said earlier, this is a big issue for me. So i'm going to seize onto any thread I can to repeatidly make my points on how the system needs to be fixed and why. It's really the main reason I came onto these forums to begin with be honest, and maybe if i fuss about it long enough SE will get tired of hearing my mouth and do something about it :)

So hopefully you are wrong and this thread will be part of the solution, not the problem.

But Zyeriis, if you hate the thread so much, just don't post in it anymore and ignore it. Issue solved. I don't see why it seems to bother you so much.

It's not something you are being forced to endure, unlike the horride equipment changing system on this game, which I have to deal with on a daily basis.

[Vyvian]

Most people would say stpt and stal were SE's "doing something about it".

I actually can understand why people don't want to use stal, but you can still work around it. Stop using <t> macros, even with <st> macros (which I use, gogo healing magic skillups on undead) or <stpc> macros (IE haste or protect outside of alliance) if you really get stuck, you target yourself and use the blue arrow to hit the blinker. With any sort of reasonable reaction time, you can catch them np.

[Dale]

Most people would say stpt and stal were SE's "doing something about it".

I actually can understand why people don't want to use stal, but you can still work around it. Stop using <t> macros, even with <st> macros (which I use, gogo healing magic skillups on undead) or <stpc> macros (IE haste or protect outside of alliance) if you really get stuck, you target yourself and use the blue arrow to hit the blinker. With any sort of reasonable reaction time, you can catch them np.

You are missing the point. It is having to use macros at all. If you are playing with someone who spams gear changes every few seconds it makes any manual action a pain in the ____ to do. That's just not acceptable, and any game-play element that compromises the entire default system of using spells and abilities needs to be adjusted.

But yes, adding <stal> was doing something i suppose, but wasn't enough IMHO, and I would ask for a more comprehensive appraoch to fixing it, not some half-___ work around.

There is also the issue of that annoying yellow spam that floods your battle log as well, which is equally an issue for me - though no one ever seems to mention that, which makes me suspect the motives of thsoe who are disagreeing with me and who keep praising the integrity of a flawed system. Let's be careful we don't argue just for the sake of argument and admit when there is a design flaw that needs to be fixed. Else what is the point of these forums.

[Zyeriis]

Well like I said earlier, this is a big issue for me. So i'm going to seize onto any thread I can to repeatidly make my points on how the system needs to be fixed and why. It's really the main reason I came onto these forums to begin with be honest, and maybe if i fuss about it long enough SE will get tired of hearing my mouth and do something about it :)

So hopefully you are wrong and this thread will be part of the solution, not the problem.

But Zyeriis, if you hate the thread so much, just don't post in it anymore and ignore it. Issue solved. I don't see why it seems to bother you so much.

It's not something you are being forced to endure, unlike the horride equipment changing system on this game, which I have to deal with on a daily basis.

I'm essentially telling you to make another thread for this very reason. One could view this as helpful. Even if what you are saying is plausibly constructive, the basis of the thread is not. It would be easier to get your idea accepted in a new thread that isn't as negatively viewed as this one, wouldn't it?

[Dale]

I'm essentially telling you to make another thread for this very reason. One could view this as helpful. Even if what you are saying is plausibly constructive, the basis of the thread is not. It would be easier to get your idea accepted in a new thread that isn't as negatively viewed as this one, wouldn't it?

Maybe, but I've already made several threads. Probably tomorrow i'll make another one, but I like to space them out so I'm not accused of spamming.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Just because they aren't complaining doesn't mean it's not driving them nuts :)

And it's not all about macro slot management, and people using the right commands. It is about a broken system that needs to be tweaked in a more appropriate way. It may not bother you having to create a macro for every single abilty you use that requires targeting, but a lot of us are going to think that's unreasonable.

They also need to get rid of the annoying yellow spam.

my LS is actually honest to each other, and they where the ones to teach me gear swapping in the first place.

again learn to use STPT and STAL on your most important spells, and there wont be a problem.

again you don't have to macro everything, just use STPT for the "life saving" stuff

[Naax]

I ride the fence on this one. I don't really like gear swapping, but I use in on my blm for swapping staves. That's about the only thing I swap around. I don't like it because it takes some of the realism away from the game. I know "realism" and "Game" don't really belong in the same sentence, but I feel the same as some of the others. When was the last time you watched a boxing match where one person changed his shorts out because he wanted to hit his opponent while wearing his lucky shorts, then switch back. I got over the healing problem, but my biggest hurtle was trying to time good blm nukes for magic bursts. The gear swapping that some players do is so obscene that not only do they blink out of existance for a couple seconds, but so does the animation and sound of their actions. If the effects could be seperated from blinking out while ppl gear swap I wouldn't care how much ppl swap around. I guess i'm closer to a "Role-Play" style of player with my opinions on gear swap, But I don't bash one way or the other, I just play my style and adapt to the party situations as needed.

[Merton9999]

I know this is going to sound deranged, but I actually like gear swapping, especially the macro creation portion. Designing that perfect set of macros to get the most out of my spells and abilities is one of the complexities I like most about the game. Of course I realize I'm not going to convince anyone else to enjoy this, but I certainly don't see the system as flawed because someone doesn't want to make use of the tool that fixes the problem.

I can't think of any spell or ability I use that does not include a gear swap, so the idea of casting from the menu doesn't even register. Maybe Composure? I'd have to check. Even without gear swaps, I'd still make a macro to make use of other commands. For me any cycle spell benefits from a /recast line before the <stpt>. I can rest the blue cursor on my next target and count down the seconds revealed with /recast. I also like /echo to put messages in only my log for some actions. The introduction of multiple macro books and the /macro commands made flipping between my complex macro setup easy.

Another thing I love about gear swapping: prevention of job animations. This helps a lot when kiting on SCH. I can use blinking gear in the JA macro to prevent the JA animation from stopping my run.

Incidentally, I do like <stpt> better for party-only spells. It prevents the blue arrow from going up to the alliance when using a controller to target, so I can get to anyone in the party with three presses or less.

Gear swaps causing yellow text in the chat log - personally this never even occurred to me as an issue. Even with all the chat filters available there are still so many things I don't need to read that I just got used to looking for the right things a long time ago. My favorite are AOE bard songs....

[Harukusan]

Is this thread a joke rant? If not, then I ask this one simple question:

Are you retarded?

[Maquis]

Gear Swapping shouldn't be allowed in the game.

Please SE add a penalty for Gear Swapping(Like in Brenner and Ballista), do you really think an NM is going to sit and watch you get undressed, then re-dress in front of them just so you can cast Ni 3 seconds faster?

I would like to point out that if you question the feasibility of someone changing clothes in 2 seconds in a game where you can teleport, warp, summon avatars and more magical things, you probably need someone to tell you that it is called Final Fantasy and not Final Reality.

Apart from that, I think SE added this feature to allow them to create situational gear. Opening up a rewarding system that allows for a wider spread of content.

If you would remove or penalise gear swapping, a large portion of the current available gear would be unwanted and the content players would have to go through to obtain those pieces might not be played as much.

From SE's perspective it would be much wiser to provide bonusses to gear swapping, since it rewards people to obtain situational pieces. Giving people incentive to get all those situational pieces out there and keeping them playing and enjoying FFXI for a longer period of time.


tl;dr: Gear swapping supports situational gear rewards.

[Harukusan]

Gear swapping is the foundation of achieving optimal performance. End of story. The OP should fit in quite well in the following thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2790-Full-Perle
They seem to have a similar mind set.