Abyssea ruined FFXI ?

[Kits]

Hi, I just recently came back to FFXI after a few years hiatus. I really didnt have much time to play before the servers shut down.. >>;, i was actually in the middle of the abyssea quest when they shut it down.

Now, I've never been to abyssea, but from the start it looked like the new update was awesome, but now that I'm reading about it, you can get from like 30 to 65 in one day? thats insane... thats almost, no fun. I've been looking around and everyone has like 10 level 90 jobs..

So the question i ask,
Has abyssea ruined FFXI?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Don't listen to anyone, experience the game for yourself.

[Kits]

Don't listen to anyone, experience the game for yourself.

I havent had an opinion yet.. just been doin research on my own since i have all the time in the world now..

[Wade]

It all depends on how you play and what you want from the game.

[Valefor4life]

All abyssea has done is made leveling faster and very nice gear attainable by everyone if they are willing to put effort in it. It's still the same thing as old, you still need to farm for stuff. Just much more easier with less ppl.

[Vinc]

Abyssea has ruined the game for those who enjoyed afking for 4-6hrs in whitegate with their flag up, that is all.

Also, while the content of this thread appears innocent, your title is propagandist and very inappropriate.

[NightDagger]

I havent had an opinion yet.. just been doin research on my own since i have all the time in the world now..

I returned to the game 2 months ago from a 3 year break. It was confusing at first but after a week (and a lot of reading about abyssea) it was very enjoyable. I do not spend to much time in alliances, I either go solo or 3-4 of use go get things done. The fast lvls are a big change to get used to but you will learn very fast who is good at the game still or who is just there to get all jobs lvl 90 & do nothing else..

Welcome back, I am sure you will be hooked very fast & thinking that the abyssea idea was good in thought but poorly executed lol

[Valefor4life]

Oh did I mention new AF3 shinies for all the jobs you love to play with ^^.

[Arltery]

The game is what you make of it. Hang out with friends, make new ones, explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations..... sorry geek moment there. The point is the game is going to be as fun as you make it.

[Kits]

Well thats good to hear,

[Valefor4life]

Abyssea has ruined the game for those who enjoyed afking for 4-6hrs in whitegate with their flag up, that is all.

Also, while the content of this thread appears innocent, your title is propagandist and very inappropriate.

Truestrike!

[Yarly]

The people who complain about FFXI constantly ruin FFXI. Not Abyssea.

[Kits]

Oh im not complaining, i havent done it yet. just trying to get a better understanding

[Babygyrl]

Abyssea really only ruined low level partying, its annoying always having people wanting too "leech" and not do actual work in the party.. im one of those people who wish they made aby 70+ onry.. its great for pretty much anything else though lol

[NightDagger]

The people who complain about FFXI constantly ruin FFXI. Not Abyssea.

To a point. Abyssea has also produced some pretty sad players (that go to sleep while in pt lol). But I enjoy abyssea, is awesome doing some real dmg, having loads of MP & so many NM's to kill with 15 minute respawns. how could you ask for something more perfect lol

[Tsukino_Kaji]

your title is propagandist and very inappropriate.It was bait and you look it hook, line and sinker.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

To a point. Abyssea has also produced some pretty sad players (that go to sleep while in pt lol).This is no byproduct of abyssea. These have existed since the game's inception.

[Sinthetic]

I came back after a 8 month break
i played for about 3 weeks before they shut down
and i had lots of fun i got my Iga hakama+2 with some help from friends
i think its cool that you can take few of your friends and go farm KI and seals without the need of 18 people
trying to Out lot you lol
so far i have 2 lvl 90 jobs XD nnot really crazy about getting all of them to 90 !
but the double exp sure helps to bring up my /sub jobs to lvl 49 faster
so for me so far so good XD

[Sayelle]

I havent had an opinion yet.. just been doin research on my own since i have all the time in the world now..

While I applaud you for wanting to do independent research about the state of the game, this is probably the worst place you could have come to try and find that information.

[Valefor4life]

I personally love abyssea, you can get everything done with just a few friends if you don't happen to have a really active LS. So its very good for the casual player, and even better if you have an active LS.

[NightDagger]

This is no byproduct of abyssea. These have existed since the game's inception.

Not entirely true, you were not able to go AFK for 2 hours un-noticed for the first 30 minutes before. Now I only see this maybe once a day, and if he is not ldr he normally gets the boot.

But this is off-topic & do not want to start that discussion again lol

The truth of the matter is Abyssea is very enjoyable & well worth the 30 bucks. You will love the aspects of it & will make you able to get more done if you are unable to play for extended periods of time ^^

[Kits]

Yeah, since i came back, FFXI has changed SO much. at first, i would do like /sea all 60-65, to try to get a party. (this was before i had purchased abyssea). Completely forgot about the level sync thing.. lol

[Kits]

The truth of the matter is Abyssea is very enjoyable & well worth the 30 bucks. You will love the aspects of it & will make you able to get more done if you are unable to play for extended periods of time ^^

yeah i only spent 10 on heros, i heard that was the best one? What's the difference between the others?

[NightDagger]

Yeah, since i came back, FFXI has changed SO much. at first, i would do like /sea all 60-65, to try to get a party. (this was before i had purchased abyssea). Completely forgot about the level sync thing.. lol

when I quit playing there was no lvl sync. so when someone asked me to PT in quifim with my lvl 75 WHM i was like ummmm i am a bit high for that lol. Then they said lvl sync. to lvl 20 so I went and bought lvl 20 gear O.o god I was such a noob again for a week ; ;

[Drivont]

I havent had an opinion yet.. just been doin research on my own since i have all the time in the world now..

Your sig says "Caitsith all the way!"

We're gonna eat you soon, and you'll have to change it to "Ragnarok"

Just sayin'

[Drivont]

yeah i only spent 10 on heros, i heard that was the best one? What's the difference between the others?

You have to buy all three to acess the last one.

[Azaril]

i been playin this game sense march 2004? started on ps2 and gradually moved to PC, and now forced to play on xbox lol cus my pc wanted to drop a deuce -_-;, but i welcome the changes of lvlin and the xp bonuses in older areas.. i just wish the xp was like that when i started lol....cus man Dunes sucked , and by the time the jungle days hit, i was ready to pull my hair out from ppl zoing goblins and gettin slepted while runnin for your life past a pt fightin mandys lmao.. oh then Garlaige citadel... at 33+? ya bats and beetles galore and many dead players at the door lol.. but it was fun none the less, ahh memories :P

[NightDagger]

yeah i only spent 10 on heros, i heard that was the best one? What's the difference between the others?

you will need the others to complete your AF3, plus to get the atma's/abysites & not to mention complete the abyssea quests for zone boss fights, and some sweet NM's.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

yeah i only spent 10 on heros, i heard that was the best one? What's the difference between the others?Well here we run into a problem. You realy need them all. No, you realy do. You can't even access the openning CSs without the first expansion. I accidently downloaded the second first and the game freaked out. Besides, the gear is split between them. Don't think of them as individual, it's all the same expansion, we just had to buy it in installments.

[NightDagger]

i been playin this game sense march 2004? started on ps2 and gradually moved to PC, and now forced to play on xbox lol cus my pc wanted to drop a deuce -_-;, but i welcome the changes of lvlin and the xp bonuses in older areas.. i just wish the xp was like that when i started lol....cus man Dunes sucked , and by the time the jungle days hit, i was ready to pull my hair out from ppl zoing goblins and gettin slepted while runnin for your life past a pt fightin mandys lmao.. oh then Garlaige citadel... at 33+? ya bats and beetles galore and many dead players at the door lol.. but it was fun none the less, ahh memories :P

LOL yeah i will never forget those days. spending 6 hours in a PT to get almost no where's, constantly lfp & crafting .....

[Yarly]

While I applaud you for wanting to do independent research about the state of the game, this is probably the worst place you could have come to try and find that information.

Sayelle is right, these forums are of a different flavour.

[NightDagger]

Well here we run into a problem. You realy need them all. No, you realy do. You can't even access the openning CSs without the first expansion. I accidently downloaded the second first and the game freaked out. Besides, the gear is split between them. Don't think of them as individual, it's all the same expansion, we just had to buy it in installments.

yeah what he said, Very good way of putting it.

But have fun all going to spend time with my wife now.......

[Kits]

You have to buy all three to acess the last one.

So what your saying is i need to buy the other two to use any one of them? Not a problem, just did not know that

[Tsukino_Kaji]

But have fun all going to spend time with my wife now.......Tell her to make a new character and come play with us.

[Valefor4life]

If you do come back you're going to need to get the last 2 abyssea expansion. As most people are doing things that involve those two because of the associated zones with them.

[Kits]

Your sig says "Caitsith all the way!"

We're gonna eat you soon, and you'll have to change it to "Ragnarok"

Just sayin'

there'll be no more caitsith? ; ;

[Babygyrl]

there'll be no more caitsith? ; ;

yea caithsith is being merged with Ragnarok :p "red rover red rover we are callin Ciatsith Over!'

[Tsukino_Kaji]

there'll be no more caitsith? ; ;And no swapping for you! Ther servers are locked until after the merger.

[Babygyrl]

alot of people have quit the game over the years.. not as many servers needed anymore

[erevan]

I wish I could spend time with my wife, but traveling and hotels interfere. Since she and my sons talked me into FFXI in Mar '09, I found out that this game really is fun, and get to meet a LOT of very good ppl all over the world. Of course, there are exceptions, but they are soon forgotten.

[Kits]

I'm glad the wolrds are merging. Maybe i dont have to stand outside jeuno or whitegate for 3 days tryin to get a tele. Actually, im sure they've done something to fix that aswell,

[Valefor4life]

That's one thing about this game I've meet people all over the world and we've been friends since 2003. Some have stop playing and moved on but we still keep in touch.

[Kits]

That's one thing about this game I've meet people all over the world and we've been friends since 2003. Some have stop playing and moved on but we still keep in touch.

Definately. My heart was crushed when i rejoined FFXI and I haven't seen any of my really good friends on.. depressing.. Im in a great linkshell though so im trying to fit in ><;

[SHARP-OAK]

i think aby messed up the game in a couple ways , the entry lvl is too low they shouldve made entry into aby at least 65 , 75 would even be better.then ppl would at least know the basics of the job 1. ppl who do smn burns to 30 then jump to aby to leech end up not knowing how to play the job just due to lack of experience. 2. becuz of the speed at which you lvl you dont get skill-ups , so you end up w/ a very gimp lvl 90 job, ppl who dont know what WS to use to get skillchain , why because they havent spent hours in pt in caedarva mire getting a chance to learn. I had 7 lvl 75's b4 aby only 2 of them are capped on skills now. I think aby is kool dont get me wrong, but these problems mentioned couldve been avoided to a great extent by just having a higher entry lvl.I was farming in sauromugue i see this mnk out there i know from his gear he was high lvl at any rate he was getting slaughtered i asked what was up w/ him dying so much he tells me his h2h was 62 i bust out laughing.Good 'ol aby i said.I do miss the long pt's in the mire getting to actually talk to ppl ,cuz in aby you constantly killing and just about all you see in chat is "temps in 10 " or "key item /random if you need" ...... Aby is kool as i said the NM's , the gear all sweet.

[Dale]

Hi, I just recently came back to FFXI after a few years hiatus. I really didnt have much time to play before the servers shut down.. >>;, i was actually in the middle of the abyssea quest when they shut it down.

Now, I've never been to abyssea, but from the start it looked like the new update was awesome, but now that I'm reading about it, you can get from like 30 to 65 in one day? thats insane... thats almost, no fun. I've been looking around and everyone has like 10 level 90 jobs..

So the question i ask,
Has abyssea ruined FFXI?

No, it's enriched it. Abyssea is incredibly deep, rewarding and enjoyable - a triumph in game design.

[Kits]

becuz of the speed at which you lvl you dont get skill-ups , so you end up w/ a very gimp lvl 90 job

So does this mean while you are in abyssea you cannot gain skill-ups? or does this only apply to the people who leech?

[Nacht]

So does this mean while you are in abyssea you cannot gain skill-ups? or does this only apply to the people who leech?

You can gain skill ups. What they mean is the rate of exp inside and outside abyssea tends to leave your skills uncapped. However, it's more apparent inside abyssea. All it means is you have to take extra time to skill up.

Abyssea took the game to a different level. It made the exp grind not as important, which lets people focus on the rest of the game.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

So does this mean while you are in abyssea you cannot gain skill-ups? or does this only apply to the people who leech?You can skill just fine in abyssea.
Keep in mind that most people who feel the abyssea minimum should be increased think that not grinding a job for months/days/years lessens their own person achievments.

[Greatguardian]

So does this mean while you are in abyssea you cannot gain skill-ups? or does this only apply to the people who leech?

You gain skillups just fine. In fact, if you're recently returning to the game, you will gain skills faster than you remember as the skillup system has been tweaked a couple times.

Abyssea EXP is simply incredibly fast. At max chain, you can get around 600~ exp/kill, with mobs occasionally dropping chests worth 1,250 exp apiece. Tack on Dominion Ops, which allow you to gain 5,000 more exp every 5 kills just by talking to an NPC, and it adds up quickly.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

There was a recent update in which SE claimed that skill up rates were increased. This has proven to be a lie. lol

[Kits]

Wow, i cant wait to try abyssea. ive played for years and never got a job to 75.. although i was preoccupied experimenting with other jobs, but all i wanted to do was get my BLU to 90 and get all my good spells

[Nacht]

Wow, i cant wait to try abyssea. ive played for years and never got a job to 75.. although i was preoccupied experimenting with other jobs, but all i wanted to do was get my BLU to 90 and get all my good spells

For spells, make sure you have: Heat Breath, Firespit Magnetite Cloud, Seedspray Regurgitation, Maelstrom Hecatomb Wave, Mysterious Light Frost Breath, Ice Break Mind Blast, Blitzstrahl Radiant Breath, 1000 Needles Death Ray, Eyes On Me

reasoning: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Abyssea#Yellow_Weakness

[Kits]

WOW thanks!!! I've been wondering for weeks which spells are like, 'necessary' here you come and just supply me the golden info, ty lol.

[Nacht]

WOW thanks!!! I've been wondering for weeks which spells are like, 'necessary' here you come and just supply me the golden info, ty lol.

Those spells aren't particularly good for damage. Those spells are more like the minimum you'll want for farming NMs so that people don't get annoyed at you for not having those spells. I'd suggest you wander over to the blue mage forum or somewhere else to figure that out. I can't help you for that; I know little to nothing about blue mage.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

For spells, make sure you have: Heat Breath, Firespit, Magnetite Cloud, Seedspray, Regurgitation, Maelstrom, Hecatomb Wave, Mysterious Light, Frost Breath, Ice Break, Mind Blast, Blitzstrahl, Radiant Breath, 1000 Needles, Death Ray, Eyes On MeI don't have the highlighted spells, but I would never go as BLU for proc, I hate changing spells. lol

[Kits]

I wanted to get Refueling, a haste, but supposedly i need to do all the promathyia missions..? does anybody even do those anymore?? lol

[Sparthos]

The problem with Abyssea is that for most people it ruined any sense of real accomplishment. It took the EXP grind and made it completely pointless as you'll cap on merits in no time and have nothing else to do but either reroll another job or simply go after gear.

All of the work put into creating that perfect EXP setup is gone because EXP is nothing more than 12 people AFK/hugging a Dominion Tactician in a party while 6 people fight monsters. The funny thing is that Vision of Abyssea parties had some sense of accomplishment when you finally cracked the secret of boxes and got the EXP to flow to start where by Heroes the entire affair had devolved into hugging an NPC while zone-wide lights could float even the worst of worst parties so long as you know... people arent AFK.

The biggest problem with EXP now is that no one cares. Your bad party will almost always certainly break because of AFKers due to the fact that EXP is just that easy to obtain. The finesse present back at Vision has devolved as the expansions got easier and we learned how the system works.

It isn't all negative however. The ability to actually log on and get something done is a boon that the game sorely needed. Being able to also lowman has helped to make the game more "fair" while Empyreans has leveled the playing field on the uber tier of weaponry.

Overall Abyssea has made the game easy - so easy that one really has to wonder what SE has planned for the future. Unlike WoW, this game has no PvP so the artificial difficulty that comes from facing other players is reduced to bitching out someone when they take your ??? pop or kill a mob slow. All of the sense of community has been ruined because the old content simply doesn't matter. Stuff like Campaign that was mildly fun in the sense that you could team up with strangers to reach a common goal is gone now cause the game has been simplified to the extreme.

[Krashport]

The game is what you make of it. Hang out with friends, make new ones, explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and new civilizations..... sorry geek moment there. The point is the game is going to be as fun as you make it.

lmao... T T

"I'm not the only one!!"

[Invasion]

Abyssea is fun and easy but once you've finished there's nothing else to do, unless you want to +2 every piece of armor for every job you have (and don't play), oh and get Emp weapons for them just for the fun of it.

One thing I don't understand is why they're making our much loved old gear augment-able via Synergy... I mean surely it would have been a better idea to involve some of the End Game zones we acquired them from? Would be nice to have a reason to visit Sea/Sky/Salvage again, even for the sense of nostalgia.

All I can see is that the people with Synergy leveled will get very rich very quickly by charging people to upgrade their stuff using a random method.

I could be wrong however, I'm just speculating.

[Dale]

There was a recent update in which SE claimed that skill up rates were increased. This has proven to be a lie. lol

No it wasn't.

My enhancing skill ups have increased dramatically since that update, so has my healing.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I wanted to get Refueling, a haste, but supposedly i need to do all the promathyia missions..? does anybody even do those anymore?? lolThere are clusters in other areas, so you never needed COP.

[Valefor4life]

The Rivern- A B are all uncapped now. So it will be very easy to learn if you already have access to those maps. If not you can learn that from the bombs in mount zhylm or you can learn them in Abyssea-Altepa. Basicly you can learn all the spells in abyssea. The only problem you will find is you will be lvling too fast and will need to catch up your blue magic so you can learn the higher lvl spells. Which are very nice. But skilling up is easy just spam blue spells and work on merits in abyssea exp shouts.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Abyssea is fun.. but its entertainment value wont last...

whatever SE releases for lvl 99 better be damn good.. or they will lose subscriptions in droves.

[Greatguardian]

There are clusters in other areas, so you never needed COP.

This ^. That said though, Rajas Ring is badass, so I highly recommend looking into getting some CoP missions done. Most of it is legitimately soloable right up to the last couple missions before Sea access. Even those can be done with 2-3 people, really. They removed all of the CoP mission level caps, if it hadn't been mentioned, so mostly it's a lot of cutscenes and running.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Come to Siren, I can solo COP for you on BST. lol

[Krashport]

SE should let you be able to jump worlds/channels, I think it would being a lot to the game.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

SE should let you be able to jump worlds/channels, I think it would being a lot to the game.What's a channel?

[Kits]

The only problem you will find is you will be lvling too fast and will need to catch up your blue magic so you can learn the higher lvl spells.

Well that's where i come in, ill get like 5 levels or so, atleast untill pt ends, then go near a zone or something, grab a T or something, bomb it with magic till im near dead or no mp, and zone. lol.. good idea?

[Valefor4life]

Be nice if we can augment that with synergy. I'm still using it because I'm too lazy to go brew rani.

[Greatguardian]

Well that's where i come in, ill get like 5 levels or so, atleast untill pt ends, then go near a zone or something, grab a T or something, bomb it with magic till im near dead or no mp, and zone. lol.. good idea?

Should work fine. Part of the skill up adjustments also allow you to skill up on mobs that con DC, instead of EM or higher. Zvahl Fortalices in the WotG rendition of Castle Z are also an easy way to skill up weapons, though they won't cap for 90.

[Krashport]

What's a channel?

Not sure if you ever played "Aion" their "World" was made into different Channels as to, if your in the game all you had to do is open your channel window or /chan <#> of channel you would like to join and pick one that your friends it on to play with. Vindictus also works this way.

[Kits]

Well thats wonderful news. I know this isnt a blu forum, but would u think using Azure Lore would increase your chance to learn a spell?

[Greatguardian]

Well thats wonderful news. I know this isnt a blu forum, but would u think using Azure Lore would increase your chance to learn a spell?

I honestly couldn't tell you. I can direct the question to a BLU friend of mine when he logs onto skype, if someone else doesn't answer it before me.

Edit: According to the wiki, it does not.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Not sure if you ever played "Aion" their "World" was made into different Channels as to, if your in the game all you had to do is open your channel window or /chan <#> of channel you would like to join and pick one that your friends it on to play with. Vindictus also works this way.Right, but you said it so matter-of-factly like FFXi had channels, so I had to ask to be sure.
Well thats wonderful news. I know this isnt a blu forum, but would u think using Azure Lore would increase your chance to learn a spell?It ill be easier to lern spells after the fact, this way you wont have to keep starting and stopping. Also merits will help as a higher skill makes learning esier. I merited blue magic and deleted it later after I got my skill caught up.

[Kits]

I love blue mage.

The concept of the job is just ingenious in my opinion,
now all I have to do is plan, get the right spells, then kill my rdm uncle =p
BLU FTW!

[MrWigglles]

Hi, I just recently came back to FFXI after a few years hiatus. I really didnt have much time to play before the servers shut down.. >>;, i was actually in the middle of the abyssea quest when they shut it down. Now, I've never been to abyssea, but from the start it looked like the new update was awesome, but now that I'm reading about it, you can get from like 30 to 65 in one day? thats insane... thats almost, no fun. I've been looking around and everyone has like 10 level 90 jobs..

So the question i ask, Has abyssea ruined FFXI?

Ruined? No i say.
Do you consider 40 Merits in 90 mins a bad thing? lol:D

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Ruined? No i say.
Do you consider 40 Merits in 90 mins a bad thing? lol:DOh yeah, if no one told you, you can hold 20 merits now. lol

[Nacht]

I wanted to get Refueling, a haste, but supposedly i need to do all the promathyia missions..? does anybody even do those anymore?? lol
They uncapped the missions and the zones, so doing the (beginning) missions is easy. Also, BLU has a 2nd haste spell.


The problem with Abyssea is that for most people it ruined any sense of real accomplishment. It took the EXP grind and made it completely pointless as you'll cap on merits in no time and have nothing else to do but either reroll another job or simply go after gear.

Going after gear and killing bigass NMs has been the point of most MMORPGs. Look at Diablo2, that game was incredibly successful.


Abyssea is fun.. but its entertainment value wont last...
whatever SE releases for lvl 99 better be damn good.. or they will lose subscriptions in droves.

We can only see where they're headed once they release the next version update.


Well that's where i come in, ill get like 5 levels or so, atleast untill pt ends, then go near a zone or something, grab a T or something, bomb it with magic till im near dead or no mp, and zone. lol.. good idea?

It's not uncommon to gain 20+ levels within a few hours inside abyssea. In general, the exp starts slow, but increases to a pretty fast speed. Of course you can end up with a bad group.

[Kits]

I havent a single thing merited. my highest level i 65 drg followed by 55 blu

[Greatguardian]

Oh yeah, big heads up for when you hit 90:

Most people on this game, this forum, this Earth, do not know what the hell they are talking about.

If you have a question about equipment, magic, or strategies, typically your best bet is to research the spells, effects, and monsters themselves and draw your own conclusions.

www.ffxiclopedia.org is a fairly nice resource for raw information. Take the NM testimonies with a grain of salt, however. More often than not, they grossly exaggerate the difficulty of most fights. When in doubt, try it and see what happens.

www.bluegartrls.com/forum is far and away the single best resource for accurate, tested FFXI information on the internet. However, as it is a highly endgame-oriented community, people can be harsh. I doubt anyone would give you crap over questions like these (as you can type proper English sentences and actually listen to responses), but it's no secret that people can get slammed for things there. If you were to use BG as a resource, I highly, highly recommend limiting questions to the Random Question Thread sticky in FFXI Advanced at first. BG Mods do not take kindly to people making new threads, as the idea is to conserve space on the front page by having simple discussions in the RQT and only making a new thread to discuss new content, or new findings.

[MrWigglles]

I havent a single thing merited. my highest level i 65 drg followed by 55 blu
Ahh ok. Once you knock out Maat getting 90 is easy.

[Kits]

ah crap... i forgot about level cap missions... i dont even think i did it for 65.. at maats gonna be a pain in my tail

[NightDagger]

I wanted to get Refueling, a haste, but supposedly i need to do all the promathyia missions..? does anybody even do those anymore?? lol

No, you can get this easier if a friend helps you outside ma jamol staging point. I got it in about 5 kills (90 BST killed em for me)

[NightDagger]

ah crap... i forgot about level cap missions... i dont even think i did it for 65.. at maats gonna be a pain in my tail

no matter the Job it "can" be tricky. If you follow the online guide you will have zero problems. But I refused to do that unless I was stuck. I did my maat fight as WHM & died first try. But i figured out i needed to have ethers & yags, so I did this & did not even have to use 2hr. for the 2nd fight.

Wish I was on your server, I love doing stuff with new people, I am still technically new to Abyssea & such myself.

i have not even finished my CoP, I am at the Omega & Ultima part & need help to get to the Sacrium. Hopefully a RL friend or LS mate can hep me soon, I want sea & Raja's badly lol

[Tsukino_Kaji]

i have not even finished my CoP, I am at the Omega & Ultima part & need help to get to the Sacrium. Hopefully a RL friend or LS mate can hep me soon, I want sea & Raja's badly lolSwitch to siren and I can solo all of COP for you on BST. lol

[Kits]

Wish I was on your server, I love doing stuff with new people, I am still technically new to Abyssea & such myself.

thats EXACTLY what i need right now. just someone to give me a little boost and some good tips

[NightDagger]

Switch to siren and I can solo all of COP for you on BST. lol

yeah my RL friend & another buddy are 90 BST also (they love soling things for me lol)

[Khajit]

Ignore the anti abyssea slander. It is merely the cries of the butthurt whom can no longer bot their way to glory or force entire ls to farm them stuff for little reward.
Ok. seriously. It takes all the stuff "we" hated/disliked in the game and tossed it out the window while putting your characters on crack mode. You can experience all the fun fights you were stuck waiting in line to do for several hours pre abyssea and since they're mostly force popped you can do em whenever it's convenient for you and your friends.
It also solves your gil problems since you're literally racking up gil by the truckload just from having fun.

[Valefor4life]

Oh if your old LS isn't there anymore, jump on any shout for zone boss clear / caturae clears. The sooner u get to having to use 3 atmas the better off you will be.

[Rambus]

Hi, I just recently came back to FFXI after a few years hiatus. I really didnt have much time to play before the servers shut down.. >>;, i was actually in the middle of the abyssea quest when they shut it down.

Now, I've never been to abyssea, but from the start it looked like the new update was awesome, but now that I'm reading about it, you can get from like 30 to 65 in one day? thats insane... thats almost, no fun. I've been looking around and everyone has like 10 level 90 jobs..

So the question i ask,
Has abyssea ruined FFXI?

I think it hurt new players comming in.

abyssea is fine for people that know the game already but I kinda disagree with how it effected new players, lest that is my point of view

[Atomic646]

Hi, you can get from like 30 to 65 in one day?

30-90 capped exp and 20merits in less than 1 day, like 12hrs

[Malamasala]

I'd say it always depends on job. I've been playing Summoner all this time, and I'd say the game didn't even begin until Abyssea. Like how people miss the parties at low levels where I had to play subjob WHM. Like they miss the events like Salvage where I wasn't even allowed to enter as Summoner, and if I did, I would be naked and useless the whole event due to being a poor job.

No, I like it better now that I can actually use my avatars without being a black hole for MP. With people not worried about maxing out the party, but having a more relaxed and fun alliance.

Nothing is worse, everything is better.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I'd say it always depends on job. I've been playing Summoner all this time, and I'd say the game didn't even begin until Abyssea. Like how people miss the parties at low levels where I had to play subjob WHM. Like they miss the events like Salvage where I wasn't even allowed to enter as Summoner, and if I did, I would be naked and useless the whole event due to being a poor job.

No, I like it better now that I can actually use my avatars without being a black hole for MP. With people not worried about maxing out the party, but having a more relaxed and fun alliance.

Nothing is worse, everything is better.And people actualy looking for SMN for pearl. lol

[Kits]

I hear PLD is like useless now lmao, i feel bad for my cousin. all he leveled was his pld. pld pld pld. now they useless!!!! mwuahahahaha

[Gdsmsonn]

I believe it ruined the game. But that's my opinion. Like Kaji said, you need to expierence it for yourself.
My opinion is that abby needs to be made for levels 70+ because of all the leeching going on. It's not *that* hard to get your levels. You just gotta get off your butt and do something for yourself. I know people who have got like 2-3 50+ level jobs within ONE month and they didn't have to go to abby..so it can't be that hard!

[Khajit]

There are plenty of noobs that think pld doesnt suck as a job in it's current state so that's one decent thing for him at least. Tell him to get right on skilling up all his weapons for red and blu procs at least since there's nothing wrong with at least trying to make yourself not be as much dead weight.

[Zyeriis]

I believe it ruined the game. But that's my opinion. Like Kaji said, you need to expierence it for yourself.
My opinion is that abby needs to be made for levels 70+ because of all the leeching going on. It's not *that* hard to get your levels. You just gotta get off your butt and do something for yourself. I know people who have got like 2-3 50+ level jobs within ONE month and they didn't have to go to abby..so it can't be that hard!

2-3 50+ jobs in a month wasn't even hard when i played (quit 2 weeks after cap increase to 80). Hell, I got Corsair from 1 to 37 in a few hours pre-level sync.

[Gdsmsonn]

2-3 50+ jobs in a month wasn't even hard when i played (quit 2 weeks after cap increase to 80). Hell, I got Corsair from 1 to 37 in a few hours pre-level sync.

Yeah, so I don't get why there even has to be leeching. It can be done..it's like I said, just gotta get up and do something for yourself.

[svengalis]

So what your saying is i need to buy the other two to use any one of them? Not a problem, just did not know that

You can use the first one without the other two but Scars is the best one and it's also the last one. You will need all 3 if you want full AF 3(Empyrean Armor) for your job also.

[Nidhogg]

Abyssea is great, sept the weapons, I hate those things with a passion, ruined my Relic and Mythic! -_- I feel like I wasted a bunch of time with these.

[svengalis]

I believe it ruined the game. But that's my opinion. Like Kaji said, you need to expierence it for yourself.
My opinion is that abby needs to be made for levels 70+ because of all the leeching going on. It's not *that* hard to get your levels. You just gotta get off your butt and do something for yourself. I know people who have got like 2-3 50+ level jobs within ONE month and they didn't have to go to abby..so it can't be that hard!

I don't think Abyssea ruined the game I think level sync did. But with the dwindling player base and many people already with alot of jobs at max level it was becoming increasingly hard for many jobs to find a party so I don't really think they had any other choice but to do it the way they did it.

[Coldbrand]

As opposed to leveling through the same dungeons you've done like 8 times before. Which is "fun." (In reference to OP)

[Komori]

You can use the first one without the other two but Scars is the best one and it's also the last one. You will need all 3 if you want full AF 3(Empyrean Armor) for your job also.

Heroes is the last of the Abyssea versions. Scars is second. Vision is first.

[Flux]

Yes, abyssea has not only ruined ffxi, it has in a way change it into a different game. May well just call it Abyssea now scrap FF moniker.

Abyssea rendered obsolete virtually all previous gear, all but terminated all other events for the sake of one: assault, sky, salvage, einherjar, sea, dynamis, limbus, ..., all rendered useless.. all of which were fun, well designed, challenging, and rewarding. There were many ways to save these events and still increase FFXI's scope overall for the end gamer.

No influx of new players come down the pipe, FFXI is dead imo, no fresh blood now flows in Vana'diel. The old zones are now a waste of server power and precious Japanese electricity.

It is most unfortunate, gone are the glory days of old.

[Flux]

I don't think Abyssea ruined the game I think level sync did. But with the dwindling player base and many people already with alot of jobs at max level it was becoming increasingly hard for many jobs to find a party so I don't really think they had any other choice but to do it the way they did it.

True indeed, I agree level Sync did harm the game, in fact altered the core fundamentals of FFXI gameplay at the time of implementation. Earlier world merges were necessary much earlier than those implemented, imo and would have saved the original game resolving look-for-party woes, event seeks, etc before the baby boomers grew out levels, jobs, and events...

[Takero]

I don't think Abyssea has ruined FFXI. Its nice knowing that all jobs can exp together and not just by popularity vote. Most of the complaints I've seen about Abyssea is that all their hard work has been redeemed useless now. Its an MMO, gear will turn obsolete over time as new gear is implemented into the system. And SE has already said plan to buff up previous gear from Salvage. I never want to see EXP as form of "difficulty," its not difficult, just boring when have to grind just for a few levels.

I think you should experience Abyssea and see if you like it or not before judging, there is a bunch of people that both like and dislike FFXI - Abyssea as some have put it lol.

[vordox]

I find it has ruined the game a lot, it has eliminated the strategy of the game. You no longer need a straight tank so no longer need a pld or nin to tank. You get buffs from the npc that eliminates the need for cor or brd, basically it has became a place to go for fast group mob xp w/o the benefit of skill ups or reward of time with people learning the game. It all goes by so fast that you fill merits and cap xp to fast. I had 14 jobs at 75 before the introduction of level synch, I soloed blu blm smn and bst. I have capped merits on all but cor pup dnc and sch because I am slowly leveling them by grinding them. Abyssea is great to solo in I can spend hours in there and get many TE just by soloing. It does have it's merits but as a whole it has ruined the strategy and a place for many of the jobs that were made for the game. I just feel to many new people came in to the game who used to play WoW and then bitched because they found it was not a cookie cutter quick level up game.

[Khajit]

You never needed a pld to tank in the first place. People just didn't know any better.

[RaenRyong]

You didn't need a pld or nin to tank anything (possibly PW) for years.

It is player knowledge and skill that has improved the most in response to a new system. While the new system certainly helps with not using a PLD or NIN, it isn't the only thing that allows it.

MNKs used to tank Salvage. Why could they never tank anywhere else? The answer is that they could - preconception was the only thing stopping it. I don't see why people are so surprised that MNK is such a powerful tank all of a sudden - damage mitigation abilities + high HP + good hate generation [from damage] => tank.

Hell, some groups still use PLDs and NINs to tank. NIN I consider possibly the best tank at the moment but PLD is definitely way below par... not much has changed other than people have had a REASON to adapt.

[Mordanthos]

i think aby messed up the game in a couple ways , the entry lvl is too low they shouldve made entry into aby at least 65 , 75 would even be better.then ppl would at least know the basics of the job 1. ppl who do smn burns to 30 then jump to aby to leech end up not knowing how to play the job just due to lack of experience. 2. becuz of the speed at which you lvl you dont get skill-ups , so you end up w/ a very gimp lvl 90 job, ppl who dont know what WS to use to get skillchain , why because they havent spent hours in pt in caedarva mire getting a chance to learn. I had 7 lvl 75's b4 aby only 2 of them are capped on skills now. I think aby is kool dont get me wrong, but these problems mentioned couldve been avoided to a great extent by just having a higher entry lvl.I was farming in sauromugue i see this mnk out there i know from his gear he was high lvl at any rate he was getting slaughtered i asked what was up w/ him dying so much he tells me his h2h was 62 i bust out laughing.Good 'ol aby i said.I do miss the long pt's in the mire getting to actually talk to ppl ,cuz in aby you constantly killing and just about all you see in chat is "temps in 10 " or "key item /random if you need" ...... Aby is kool as i said the NM's , the gear all sweet.

Just go to Castle Svhall Baileys for free Skill Ups on mobs that dont attack back. You should be able to take the skill up to 310 there, or whatever is equivalent to lvl 83. I believe there are 8 or 12 mobs of this type in the zone, and only 4 of them are able to be engaged without worries of being aggroed by something. So you can freely take any WS over 300 on a mob that doesnt even fight back.

[Auredant]

Yes, abyssea has not only ruined ffxi, it has in a way change it into a different game. May well just call it Abyssea now scrap FF moniker.

Abyssea rendered obsolete virtually all previous gear, all but terminated all other events for the sake of one: assault, sky, salvage, einherjar, sea, dynamis, limbus, ..., all rendered useless.. all of which were fun, well designed, challenging, and rewarding. There were many ways to save these events and still increase FFXI's scope overall for the end gamer.

No influx of new players come down the pipe, FFXI is dead imo, no fresh blood now flows in Vana'diel. The old zones are now a waste of server power and precious Japanese electricity.

It is most unfortunate, gone are the glory days of old.
I have to disagree a bit. To lump all those events together and say they were all well designed is inaccurate. Adjustments to Salvage and now Dynamis kinda bear that out. It is up to SE to make those areas worthwhile to do again and i think they're doing that. I still do limbus, salvage and dynamis and would do sky (though not 4 nights a week like in the past, lol) sea and einherjar again. There was a time when I was almost juggling all these events every week but I missed the fun of leveling other jobs so I scaled back. Personally i think every player should do one of those events if just to get an abbyssea break. Lol. I can understand why dynamis doesn't appeal to everyone because of the 4 hourish commitment but limbus, einherjar and salvage take from slightly over an hour or less. I believe the abbyssea craze will taper down as people start to get all they want from it and those older areas will be revamped and revisited. My hope anyways.

[Auredant]

You didn't need a pld or nin to tank anything (possibly PW) for years.

It is player knowledge and skill that has improved the most in response to a new system. While the new system certainly helps with not using a PLD or NIN, it isn't the only thing that allows it.

MNKs used to tank Salvage. Why could they never tank anywhere else? The answer is that they could - preconception was the only thing stopping it. I don't see why people are so surprised that MNK is such a powerful tank all of a sudden - damage mitigation abilities + high HP + good hate generation [from damage] => tank.

Hell, some groups still use PLDs and NINs to tank. NIN I consider possibly the best tank at the moment but PLD is definitely way below par... not much has changed other than people have had a REASON to adapt.

Pld will never be an optimal tank in abbyssea unless they get a significant increase in their dd capability. I do hold out hope that SE will attempt to fix this problem and with new content coming, which i hope will be new areas outside abbyssea, then the difference wont be as stark. Though even there pld will need a boost.

[Valefor4life]

That's what I'm hoping too for PLD and that's the only reason why I'm even bother working on PLD AF3+2. Perhaps next content update PLD might be of use again.

[Malamasala]

PLD is pretty much impossible to fix. It is already a superior tank, it just isn't a superior DD. Making it both is just one step from making it a superior healer and making it paladin fantasy.

Of course the solution is that people would try and challenge themselves to not use the easiest jobs for beating NMs, but you will not find a single person doing that. Either they want easy mode and items, or they want to complain about easy mode and still do it because complaining is so fun.

[Miiyo]

1. Everyone who PAYS to play this game has the right to play the way they want to. Period. 90% of the threads that talk about how abyssea "sucks" follows with a comment about leeching or how a "noob" is running around without knowing how to "play their job." It's THEIR job. They can play how they want to. Since you haven't learned in real life, I shall put you on to some wisdom. Stop worrying so much about what other people do when it doesn't concern you. I mean, really, when you're an amazing Taru as I am, you stop expecting people to get to your level anyways. So maybe you should focus more on working on your own cool... but i digress.

2. What abyssea DID do, was give those who can't play FFXI 8 hours a day, for years, a chance to level multiple jobs. Even more than that, it kept you busy. No matter what kind of playing style you prefer; solo, small ls, big ls; it provided a way for you to have ALOT to do and not be at a big disadvantage to everyone else. Filled with a multitude of NM's, gear, leveling, weapons, and quests, it's your one stop shop for SOMETHING TO DO. Yet AFTER some people have gotten used to abyssea and obtained most of what you want, they complain like bastards. Where were these comments and complaints about Abyssea after it first came out?

3. After leveling your first job to 75, it's all "been there, done that" afterwards. You do not get any special interwebs connection with your character that makes you a better player. Abyssea gave you an ADDITIONAL way to level quicker. If you want to go party the original way, feel free to. No one is stopping you. Now, if no one else wants to join you, it's not SE's fault that not everyone will cater to your wants. All of the abilities are posted on ffxi. It's only a matter of trial and effect to know what situations to use certain ones in or not to. Doing this through original leveling was a way to do it. Doing it all at once at level 90 is another way to do it. Sorry, that's all there is to it.

4. Every aspect of this game, depends on how well your group understands what they're doing. There are plenty of ls's running around without knowing how to effeciently obtain certain atma for their group as a whole, and so they struggle with NM's. Every mob in this game, is the same. "Hard" is non-existant in an online game. If a mob were created that has moves that wipes a party out often and easily, alot will probably proclaim that SE made a mistake and it's "broken." Where is the line to how many times a mob has to kill you in order to be "hard" but not "broken?" Mobs are programmed with certain skills and certain limitations. Therefore, no matter how "hard" a mob is, after it's patterns and weaknesses are found, it will never again have that advantage that can make it seem hard. For those refering to how "hard" everything used to be before abyssea, get a group of 6 and start over. See if it's nearly as "hard" since you know how everything works, what to expect, and how to attack.

5. Our gaming company has given us a way to directly supply them with good ideas. They wish to make money off of us, just as much as we want to see this game be FUN. If you're not pleased with the game, offer some better ideas. They have paid attention to good ideas. However, if you're PAYING to play the game and you come to a forum to rant about how the game(AGAIN!!! THAT YOU KEEP PAYING TO PLAY) sucks, you just look like an idiot.

Sorry for the book i wrote. Mama always said don't ask for permission. Just ask for forgiveness.

[Miiyo]

Yes, abyssea has not only ruined ffxi, it has in a way change it into a different game. May well just call it Abyssea now scrap FF moniker.

Abyssea rendered obsolete virtually all previous gear, all but terminated all other events for the sake of one: assault, sky, salvage, einherjar, sea, dynamis, limbus, ..., all rendered useless.. all of which were fun, well designed, challenging, and rewarding. There were many ways to save these events and still increase FFXI's scope overall for the end gamer.

No influx of new players come down the pipe, FFXI is dead imo, no fresh blood now flows in Vana'diel. The old zones are now a waste of server power and precious Japanese electricity.

It is most unfortunate, gone are the glory days of old.

So... seeing as to how the game was dying rather quickly and people were quite bored with the same old dyna, sky, sea, einherjar, do you, as a company trying to keep your game alive, release a big, new, fresh, world with alot to do while updating the current one, or little by little try to improve that which people are already sick of. They were fun, but this game has alot of long time players. No one is going to sit and play the same events for years and years and years without wanting a change.

I was leveling my SMN. I got to level 15 and I had to change my gear. All the gear I had became obsolete. I cried. Then it happened again at level 20... It's happened quite a few times actually... Maybe this is a natural product of... ADVANCIING O.O (THE HORROR!!!!!!) (run away) FFXI Contains Advancing and the ability to contain gear that may be stronger than previous gear!!!

No influx of new players. Now that is the product of the game being a game. Nothing is guaranteed. You try something. You learn. You can attempt to do better, or you can give up.

You can have your glory days of old. I love my BLM 90, my spiffy af3+2, and my 7k+ dmg.

[Rambus]

Abyssea has ruined ffxi, now people think everything needs to be like abyssea.

I want different style of events, what is with this abyssea only style of play lately anyway?

[Miiyo]

Abyssea has ruined ffxi, now people think everything needs to be like abyssea.

I want different style of events, what is with this abyssea only style of play lately anyway?

Everyone wants the best gear. It's in abyssea. You can go to abyssea and play if it's sky if you wish to. IE dress in sky gear, skip on buffs and atma. No one's stopping you.

[Olor]

Abyssea has ruined ffxi, now people think everything needs to be like abyssea.

I want different style of events, what is with this abyssea only style of play lately anyway?

People think all the content should be available to all paying subscribers, and that people who can afford to play 24/7 shouldn't be the only ones with shiny gears? BROKEN!

I think people want other things to be more like Abyssea because with Abyssea they can make progress without filling out an application form to be in an elite linkshell, and then being expected to spend all their playtime working for someone else's elite gear... I can't say I blame them.

[Malamasala]

Abyssea has ruined ffxi, now people think everything needs to be like abyssea.

I want different style of events, what is with this abyssea only style of play lately anyway?

I don't follow you. Abyssea boosts you so much, even bad jobs can do well. Old events like Salvage punished you, so only the best jobs were worth using. Why do you think content fit for only 3 jobs are better than content for 20 jobs? Some kind of elitism hidden there? Or you just don't care about anyone not playing the best job and happen to play it yourself?

[Starcade]

No, the playerbase ruined FFXI a long time ago.

Abyssea and it's ilk were a last gasp to try to save it long enough for XIV to make one red cent.

[Rambus]

I don't follow you. Abyssea boosts you so much, even bad jobs can do well. Old events like Salvage punished you, so only the best jobs were worth using. Why do you think content fit for only 3 jobs are better than content for 20 jobs? Some kind of elitism hidden there? Or you just don't care about anyone not playing the best job and happen to play it yourself?

was more poking fun at the latest comments of dyna.

My point is this though, abyssea is nice for a change how an event progresses ( being god mode to see what it is like , brew and atmas can be fun to play with)

My comment was more to the fact I do not want everything like to be abyssea (the change to dyna), salvage was interesting with how you had to progress though it unlocking gear slots. limbus with the different zones to unlock fighting main NM and so on.

I do not like having one place to be everything. ( you get sick of the sight) abyssea now it is like "end game" ( put in quotes because it is not real endgame) exp, gear, super weapons all in one place. I do not like that.

[Jerynh]

Bottom line, its the wrong place to ask. Most everyone that has left the game because of Abyssea have already stopped paying for it, therefore aren't able to post.

Dynamis wasn't all that hard. If you wanted to do it there were plenty of groups that did it. It only took 3 people that knew how to do it. A puller that knew the zones, a tank that knew mob order, and someone to administrate drops. Cake. I helped run it, and I ran it fair. Sky was getting old, but still had some great situational gear. It gave people a reason to go there at least. I never sold my life away to a linkshell. I HAD one, but not with an elitist leader... With a medium sized group of people that I loved.

So basically, the very first 2 endgame events that were released were STILL being played, and more or less still had a reason to be played.

Salvage wasn't terrible either. I don't agree that you needed the perfect job combination. I've been in to salvage as Brd, Whm, and even Pup. You needed one person to lead the zone and one to handle drops quickly. Other than that it was a glorified exp party. Einherjar was... Well, it needed some more rewards, but it was okay. It was a fun challenge for me, one of the hardest events, and not much more than that, again, to me. I liked it occasionally. Nyzul offered good gear that didnt cancel out every other piece of endgame gear, and took only 6 people. Assault had a reason to do it (Captain), and only took 3.

WoE offered some decent weapon upgrades that you could obtain going in pickup and solo.

Do I need to go into sea and limbus?

The point is, the rewards from endgame events were BALANCED! They weren't perfect, but it was pretty well balanced. And I won't agree that it took elitists or hardcore players. That...worked, but... It just took being social. It is an online multiplayer game, after all. I leveled Whm because I enjoyed it. Then I leveled Brd to help with events, to help better my other jobs and the jobs of others. Later I leveled Pup because I loved it. It really wasn't all that hard to get myself 3 75's that I didn't mind playing, some that I liked more than others.

Abyssea has cancelled out gear acquisition in most end game events. They may be changing the events, but they haven't really announced any changes to the rewards... It also cut out most social aspects, since almost everything is low manned and picked up. My medium sized social linkshell members have now scattered or quit. Mostly quit. Theres no reason to have a linkshell of 36+ members anymore. You will very rarely play with them all. I couldn't deal with the mindset shift... I started seeing more and more people I didn't know, and everyone wanted to do the same thing... Go out and advance themselves. Not so much team effort anymore. I don't know if it was a product of abyssea specifically or whatever but I mostly played to make friends and everything...

I'm kinda just ranting... I don't play anymore, but I still pay for it... It's kinda hard to officially throw out my character ive spent years on... Sometimes I pop on here to see how things are going.

Basically my two cents is that they could have adjusted the events without raising the level cap or putting out new pieces of equipment that cancelled every other piece out and every area out... It's just depressing for me to log in. I'd go sit in Crawler's Nest and think about the old days... I'm set in my ways I guess.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic toward anyone.

Jerynh, Asura.

[Elexia]

Yes, yes it has much like WoW ruined the MMORPG genre. It's all subjective on your definition, but it has made a noticeable impact on the early, mid and end game areas that isn't Abyssea related.

True a lot can be soloed or even duo'd now, but for the most part, if it isn't abyssea, you can't expect people to want to do it, much like how people who have everything doesn't want to waste time, the new players of the game will never get to experience...anything FFXI has to offer besides Abyssea. You can try, but even @90 some things still require a team merely because of requirement sake or because of your job selection.