Invitation to Plasm Farming

[Daemon]

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[Miradel]

Dude, THANK YOU

I see so many people talking about gear sets for specific issues, but they all assume that everyone knows what should be in each gear set. Thank you for actually listing the gear that is needed ^^

Your posts are very informative and well written. Thank you!

I've got a few jobs I'm' working on, but right now, my best geared job is dnc, with either /nin /thf or /war (no R/M/E yet, I know, I'm working on it). I constantly see people stating that they used 'haste setup' or 'evasion setup' or 'ws setup' and I'm doing the best with what I have, but would LOVE some specific gear pieces that can be low-manned. My small group has smn, thf, and bst available to help out. So, anything that could be obtained with low-man pet groups or solo'd as dnc/nin, please let me know. There's been so many gear additions since Abyssea came out that I'm finding myself a little overwhelmed ^^

Help? :)

[Daemon]

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[Demon6324236]

739 Views and not 1 person Hit "Like"No one hit like cause they were to busy learning and putting your stuff to use! :O

[lllen]

Very Helpful, good job

[Kaelthas]

Remember gear having Double Attack, Triple Attack, Quaduple attack and Duel Wield can contribute to TP gain. (Brutal Earring Gives 2% Double Attack with Store TP+1, Suppanomimi enhances Duel Wield)

Brutal Earring gives 5% Double Attack actually
Source: http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Brutal_Earring

[Daemon]

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[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

Money Issue? Here let's see how we can fix that!

Easier yet...

Any job that can build amber lights.

Avoid any weaponskill that build ruby light, and try to get the final blow with a DoT or regular melee swing to boost your pearl lights to increase the rate at which chests appear.

Abyssea - Konschtat

Build amber lights to ~100-120 (avoid going over this.)

The goal here is for gold chests.

They will drop any variety of synthesis materials.

The reason to do Aby-Kon however, is for the augmented Dark Rings. These beauties npc for ~33k each if I remember correctly. Also, due to the ability to get -6% physical and magic damage taken on these, they're a must have for any job building a -DT set.

The benefits to this as opposed to other options is your ability to utilize both Cruor buffs, and Atmas (higher damage, reraise, and large regen) to minimize kill times and downtime from being damaged.

[Daemon]

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[Babygyrl]

i have no idea what is going on your server but on Ragnarok the only "mage" jobs taken is WHM/SCH and BRD.. and for WHM you should have capped cure potency or at least close to it other gear does not really matter.. and why you would need arise is beyond me.. if someone died in fracture farm I think your healers are doing something way wrong.. I can only see it being needed for boss runs.. IF that.. Thought The DD info i pretty much agree with, aby spoiled everyone, time to skill up gear up and eat up (acc food)!

[Daemon]

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[SpankWustler]

I noticed White Mage being discussed briefly. I'll elaborate a little on its equipment, since it's probably the easiest job to equip when just getting one's foot in the door of FFXI's endgame and is almost always needed.

Ideally, a White Mage wants 50% Cure Potency while equipped with Orison +2 body and legs. This is because of the special bonuses on both pieces that allow both Solace Stoneskin and MP efficiency to exceed their normal limits with just +50% Cure Potency.

If you're just starting out, and you don't have the ability to cap Cure Potency or even push past +40% Cure Potency, you're probably better off with another body. Never cure in anything other than Orison +2 legs regardless of how far from the cap you are, however, because that will destroy your MP efficiency.

There are a lot of different sets a White Mage needs, such as one for bar-stuff and one to reduce the recast of status removal spells, but you can perform acceptably as long as you can cure decently and don't go AFK. Seriously, don't go AFK. Don't think I can't see you eyeballing that other window with the Redtube video in it. I wish I couldn't, because your pants are half-way off already, but I can! Wait 25 minutes until this guy is done hitting lizards in the face!

PS:This is the power search page on FFXI AH. (http://www.ffxiah.com/search/item#adv) It is very useful for finding equipment that adds a specific thing in a specific slot for a specific job. It is your friend.

[svengalis]

Noone does coloration reeves anymore even the Japanese have stopped doing it.

[mystified]

Ultimas, Keep up the post alot of what i read here is very imformative and helpful to players returning. I will suggest this to people in my shell recently I have had alot of vets that have been gone for 6 months or more so confused as to whats going on. Thanks keep up the good work see you on the game.

[Daemon]

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[Demon6324236]

Speed Course to Level 99 in half a day

You don't deserve this yet D: so until I start seeing people read my guide and commenting how their skills have improved with my tips. Ill hold off in sharing this.Well seeing as your entire guide for the most part revolves around 99 things, and to use it everyone has to be 99, it seems pointless not to tell those who are not getting much use now, and hold back info which those using it most likely have already figured out. Just sayin...

[ShadePUP]

I been wondering is PUP a Viable job for the new end game content. Delve included in that.:confused:

[Daemon]

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[Daemon]

Due to being heavily criticized by Karah Sparthos slaxxx tamoa Nebo
Asymptotic

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[ShadePUP]

Yea at this point any information helps see I originally leveled pup up to 75 long b4 abyssea ever came out. I am trying to bring it back to my main job again but with so little tactics and people actually understanding what job has offer it hard to get anything done.

[Daemon]

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[Demon6324236]

I been wondering is PUP a Viable job for the new end game content. Delve included in that.:confused:Its not the best job for EG, but with proper gearing it works very well. Before one of PUPs greatest issues was its Automaton was not really all to great on damage, I mean it helped, but when it comes to damage we have recently seen way to many things that kill it off fast like over powered NMs, and had no way to buff the thing while we had things like food and temps. The biggest thing that separates a PUP from a MNK is obviously your Automaton, but with it so underpowered, it really hurt the job, and made it somewhat disappointing.

If you are not aware, there is a new Animator out, called the Alternator (http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Alternator), this thing completely removes that issue with the job. This thing gives your Automaton so many buffs its insane, not only does it give your Automaton +70 to every single stat, but on top of that it gets a ton of Attack, Accuracy, Ranged Attack, Ranged Accuracy, Magic Attack, Magic Accuracy, Evasion, and possibly even more. This thing comes from Delve, which can be a little hard to get into, but once you have it, it completely makes up for all of PUPs downfalls it had when compared to other jobs for the most part. Between this, and a good pair of Rigors from Delve, a PUP can be a very effective job, and a very viable job to use for the content. The only issue in all of this is it does require at least 1 item from Delve to be so effective, the H2H are very important for your own damage and Accuracy, but the Automaton is basically redesigned by this piece of gear so much that it is easily more important in the overall scheme of things.

To answer easily, yes, it is a viable job, but you will need to put quite a lot of work into it for it to be accepted as it is. PUP is like a few other jobs where people have a bad tendency to shun it, and look elsewhere, doubting its abilities, even with these new things helping the job so much. If you need any specific assistance with gear sets or something of the sort just ask, or talk to me in game since your on Phoenix! ^_^

[Daemon]

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[Rekin]

For Healing magic I hear casting cure on undead mobs is an effective way to skill it up as its calculated in a similar sense as elemental magic for the purposes of skill up.

[Demon6324236]

For Healing magic I hear casting cure on undead mobs is an effective way to skill it up as its calculated in a similar sense as elemental magic for the purposes of skill up.This is correct. All skills can be skilled up more easily and more quickly when targeting NPCs, cures for instance when targeting yourself or party members are not going to give as many skill ups as if you cured someone's NPC partner, or an undead. This also counts for SMNs, while using Blood Pacts to buff yourself while summoning over and over again will give skill ups, the amount is limited, where as performing Blood Pacts on enemies will get you more skills in less time. Other things like Enhancing Magic can be done the same, however, due to the fact you can not cast Enhancing Magic on enemies, you have to do it a rather roundabout way, you must cast protect on someone's NPC fellow or a NPC in something where there are many NPCs running around in combat you can target.

[Daemon]

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[Daemon]

Due to being heavily criticized by Karah Sparthos slaxxx tamoa Nebo
Asymptotic

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[Daemon]

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[Daemon]

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[Legomike]

its wonderful do go on :)

[Daemon]

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[Spectreman]

Ok now tell me how to get a Linkshell that does Abyssea content enough to be able to get all those things. Form one with new players to suffer for months to reach delve in 2015?

You point very nice things for newbies but you don't address the problem itself. Getting AF3+2 for WHM/COR/BRD and an empryreal instrument is basically impossible nowadays. Not even going to mention about being a DD without delve weapon.

So as an "invitation to plasm farming" this topic is basically useless. Because getting things done in abyssea nowadays is basically impossible at a decent rate and by the time you've finished that nobody will be doing delve so players that were not fortunate to participate in delve release will be permanently 1 expansion behind others.


This is what Square Enix has to address. Because if it depends on players to help newbies get geared the best we will have will be threads like this teaching us the obvious that any average player can see on ffxiwiki. I'm sorry for being rude but it is pretty much what this thread is.

[Daemon]

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[Vizzer]

Ok now tell me how to get a Linkshell that does Abyssea content enough to be able to get all those things. Form one with new players to suffer for months to reach delve in 2015?

You point very nice things for newbies but you don't address the problem itself. Getting AF3+2 for WHM/COR/BRD and an empryreal instrument is basically impossible nowadays. Not even going to mention about being a DD without delve weapon.

So as an "invitation to plasm farming" this topic is basically useless. Because getting things done in abyssea nowadays is basically impossible at a decent rate and by the time you've finished that nobody will be doing delve so players that were not fortunate to participate in delve release will be permanently 1 expansion behind others.


This is what Square Enix has to address. Because if it depends on players to help newbies get geared the best we will have will be threads like this teaching us the obvious that any average player can see on ffxiwiki. I'm sorry for being rude but it is pretty much what this thread is.
He does put in the +2 gears can be soloed, but the chance is you have to level a job you might not like playing, one of the major flaws I see trying to catch up in this game. Fortunately the producer of the game has posted http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/34679-Item-Levels?p=449086#post449086 that he realizes the gap between newer players and older players is far to wide, and thanks to the "solo it yourself" attitude many old timers have, that gap is getting wider. Hopefully he can find a good system that will allow newer players to have an easier time getting caught up. Because if it's left to the playerbase now, the game will continue to loose older players without being able to get new/returning players to stay for very long.

[Daemon]

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[Daemon]

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[Daemon]

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[Daemon]

Due to being heavily criticized by Karah Sparthos slaxxx tamoa Nebo
Asymptotic

Ive decided to remove my guide. And yes you gave me a reason to never come back to FFXI.

[Jeubond]

Dear Daemon,
Thankyou for going to so much trouble & spending so much of your own time to put together what is in my very humble opinion an extremely helpful guide that I'm sure will assist many people out there who are 'lost' as to what to do to improve their characters/jobs & even possibly their chances of obtaining some better gear & weapons.
I do hope that this thread will indeed be preserved by Admin & any negative posts kept out or deleted.
Good job Sir !

[Daemon]

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[Rekin]

You seem to focus on the idea that these top of the line players haven't considered all their options. How the hell do you think they made their optimum strategies? magic? No they did so through cold calculations of what the monsters did and the restraints placed upon them in order to achieve victory in the quickest, cleanest manner.

Oh the devs patched it so that the strategy doesn't work? Doesn't matter, those people will just find the next most effective strategy. For them battles are like a puzzle that bites back when handled incorrectly, so they prod and prod until they find what works. I'm sure these very same people also have back up strategies as well. And don't forget these very same people are the ones who come up with the best means to use newer jobs such as Geo and Run. Most recently RUN has been gaining some attention due to its specific usefulness against naakuals. Whilst it may be subpar to trash to previous mobs the devs have catered their creature to MAKE RUN useful.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Was just in a delve that whiped in under 5min. Upon inspectng the whms, their combined cure potentcy total was +55% and that was only because one of them had a n00ble. That aside...


Deamon, you are missing one major point that a vast majority of people do not or refuse to understand. Which is, in this day and age, you need to level other jobs in order to get gear for the jobs that you do want. It is a sad truth, yes, but a truth none the less. Having trouble getting empyrean for your WAR because it is the only job that you have? Go level THF for tanking/TH, or BLM so you are not hard up for procs. Reverses are the same too. All you have is BLM, sometime people that you fine have no tank jobs and vise versa. The same aplies to delve. To people's dismay there are a number of jobs that, due to the design, just have no place in delve. Leveling is a simple feat now. 1-99 can be accomplished within a day and should not take more then a week, even if you have little to no time in which to do so. I advise not to stop to skill up as skilling up is far easier and vastly more accessible after one has leveled.

[Daemon]

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[Daemon]

You seem to focus on the idea that these top of the line players haven't considered all their options. How the hell do you think they made their optimum strategies? magic? No they did so through cold calculations of what the monsters did and the restraints placed upon them in order to achieve victory in the quickest, cleanest manner.

Oh the devs patched it so that the strategy doesn't work? Doesn't matter, those people will just find the next most effective strategy. For them battles are like a puzzle that bites back when handled incorrectly, so they prod and prod until they find what works. I'm sure these very same people also have back up strategies as well. And don't forget these very same people are the ones who come up with the best means to use newer jobs such as Geo and Run. Most recently RUN has been gaining some attention due to its specific usefulness against naakuals. Whilst it may be subpar to trash to previous mobs the devs have catered their creature to MAKE RUN useful.

As for your post sorry for the late reply, Im not saying every strategy works for every single occasion and yes we know that alot of content has resist, completely resist etc. However people do not know how these things will work if people do not go out and try to experiment with them.

The NA parties and JP parties I play in are totally different. The way I see NA parties it seems people favor certain jobs and setups. The JP parties ive been in seem to use a variety of jobs for different reasons and setups are always different. Im not saying no one is right or wrong but different culture with different groups of people with different thinking allows me to see that there is a variety of different ways to play strategies.

What you missed on that post that i did not include was someone stated that "raise is useless.." I stated if thats the case why even do we bother to hunt or pay millions of gil to buy it? Arise alone is worth it for the 3 minute unweaken and full HP at weaken status with Reraise III, but the person was arguing that he can just HP to town and waypoint back in a 20 minute delve boss party. I said its flaws like that SE will come around to changing and then people will have to go back and re-learn how to do things the right way. But anyways my point and your point maybe we are having a conflict of misunderstanding and are based on totally different things.

I was questioning the person on how they do their strategy if they are purposely home pointing and saying that raise is uselss?

I wanted to give the example to others that they should learn each others job abilities and know what can be used and what has its limitations because thats how team work and strategies can be made. Im never saying that people will always succeed but it does take a lot of failure in order to learn success. Whether people want to follow other peoples strategies, or try to do strategies on thier own, people should try everything and find what works best for them.

[Demonicpagan]

Daemon,

I have read everything you have posted thus far and have found it very informative. I see that you contribute SCH as your main job. As my main mage job (SCH) on Asura, I have come to the conclusion that I will never see a mega boss fight as my SCH as the shouts for Tojil for example say "Veteran SCH (Stun Set)". Being that most of my time on SCH and doing events with my Linkshell, being /BLM is something I never went as unless I forgot to change my sub.

What gear should I be lookin at having for this "Stun Set". I am hoping that it isn't a whole lot as SCH is a very inventory intensive job where I am carrying

Weapons

Soothsayer's Staff
Chatoyant Saff
Kirin's Pole (unagumented)
Surya's Staff +2
Siriti

Total: 5

Sub

Bugard strap +1
Avalon Shield
Fulcio Grip
Mephitis Grip

Total: 4

Ammo

Incantor Stone
Clarus Stone
Sturm's Report
Savant's Treatsie

Total: 4

Head

Savant's Bonnet +2
Scholar's Mortarboard
Selenian Cap (Int +2, MAB +2, Fast Cast +2, hHP +3)
Teal Chapeau
Argute Mortarboard

Total: 5

Neck

Stoicheion Medal
Beak Necklace
Enlightened Chain
Colossus's Torque
Savant's Chain

Total: 5

Earrings

Moonshade Earring (MAB +4, Occ. max magic acc. +3%)
Savant's Earring
Magnetic Earring
Lifestorm Earring
Psystorm Earring
Hecate's Earring
Antivenom Earring
Psystorm Earring

Total: 8

Body

Bokwus Robe
Argute Gown
Errant Houppelande
Savant's Gown +2
Teal Saio
Royal Redingote (MAB +4, Fast Cast +5)

Total: 6

Hands

Savant's Bracers +2
Teal Cuffs
Bokwus Gloves (MAB path)
Argute Bracers +1

Total: 4

Rings

Snow Ring x2

Total: 2

Back

Searing cape
Twilight Cape
Swith Cape

Total: 3

Waist

Aswang Sash
Hierarch Belt
Penitent's Rope
Korin Obi
Hyorin Obi
Rairin Obi
Anrin Obi
Goading Belt

Total: 8

Legs

Savant's Pants +1
Teal Slops
Tatsumaki Sitagoromo (MAB +4, Mag. crit hit dmg +10%)
Orvail Pants
Scholar's Pants

Total: 5

Feet

Savant's Loafers +2
Argute Loafers
Teal Pigaches
Sapientia Sabots
Desert Boots

Total: 5

TOTAL GEAR: 64

With this gear, I believe I'm well off from cap on my enhancing magic for embrava (gawd only knows what I'm missing still). As you can probably tell, I've tailored my SCH more for nuking purposes than anything. With the information of what to have for my "Stun Set", point me in a direction for gear that I should be replacing (the rings I already know... just need to be able to afford them).

If this is of any insight to my gear swaps: http://guildwork.com/characters/ffxi/asura/demonicpagan/spellcast

I appreciate any insight you are willing to provide me. Thanks you.

[Daemon]

Ive decided to remove my guide.

[Tamoa]

@Demonicpagan:

For a stun set you want to go for recast reduction and magic accuracy. You'll need the TotM staff Apajamas II, at least for high end content where the monsters are likely to resist.

You can check this out to get an idea of what kind of gear to aim for (need to scroll down a bit): http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/32145/a-scholars-education#1967961

Hope that helps some.

[Zagen]

What gear should I be lookin at having for this "Stun Set". I am hoping that it isn't a whole lot as SCH is a very inventory intensive job where I am carrying

Quite possibly the best possible setup is:
Ninurta's Sash
Mephitis Grip
Nahtirah Hat
Orunmila's Torque
Orvail Pants
Hedera Cotehardie
Maquette Ring
Prolix Ring
Psystorm Earring
Apamajas II
Repartie Gloves
Aureole
Argute Loafers +2
Lifestorm Earring
Swith Cape +1

Some people use Witful Belt instead and Goading Belt is an easy swap, the Enmity shouldn't be an issue if all you're doing is stunning.

Once you check the stats you'll see the focus on the set is essentially Magic Accuracy and recast reduction (through Fast Cast and Haste). I'm not sure what you're able to get or not able to get but as you mentioned not being able to get in for boss clears as you aren't a "veteran stun gun SCH" I'll for now just suggest alternate head options: Hyaline Hat, Nares Cap, Xux Hat, Mor. Coronal +1, or Magavan Beret.

[Demonicpagan]

Thank you all for your insight. I'll go through and see how to obtain some of that gear. From first look though, obtaining the Repartie Gloves and Aureole probably would never happen. I've never done or know anyone that would do AV for the drop item for the Aureole and Legion is nonexistant on Asura. Being I've never been in a Legion run, I wouldn't even know where to begin to try and attempt at shouting to get people to assist. The Xux hat... another tough one with the limited ways of getting the statue parts to enter a skirmish.

[detlef]

Repartie can be bought off AH. The issue might be that Legion is unpopular content right now.

[SpankWustler]

The Xux hat... another tough one with the limited ways of getting the statue parts to enter a skirmish.

Xux Hat drops from the Wildskept giant lady-bee, actually.

If it helps at all, every single level 99 Fast Cast hat has exactly the same amount of Fast Cast. So you can just pick whichever one looks the most obtainable or least hideous or has the best secondary stats on it.

[Demonicpagan]

Thanks for the correction, SpankWustler. I keep getting Skirmish and Wildskeeper Reive drop items mixed up. Still unlikely I'll see it. Don't think I'll ever see 100k bayld to get the KI to do one. Always off doing other things and not out doing reives to earn any.

[Legomike]

remove my guide :( that sucks i wanted to look through again

[Demon6324236]

-_-;

So you attempt to help those in need, those who have no need point out some flaws in things, and in return you completely destroy all information both helpful and otherwise in the entire thread, thus helping no one outside of the original few in the end? Man I really hope you understand how little sense you just made with everything you just did.

[Daemon]

Because rather than understanding my motive behind helping others. Rather than see that I'm suggesting that it takes certain gear to help you obtain other gear. People rather state that "I don't know what I'm talking about" and instead tell others to just look up gear sets off FFXIAH and wiki because real experiance and knowledge has no value. Statistics and Mechanics overrule experiance therefore my guide has no purpose.

And because I don't want to mislead others as these people said. This is the purpose of eliminating my work.

And yes the criticism was that bad. Enough for me to cancel my subscription and leave this game. I am only 1 less person to care about in the community.

[Daemon]

And for those of you who did read my guide and found it helpful. I truly apologize but I wasn't getting enough feedback on how my guide was helping. Thank you and good luck.

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

[Tamoa]

Due to being heavily criticized by Karah Sparthos slaxxx tamoa Nebo
Asymptotic

Ive decided to remove my guide. And yes you gave me a reason to never come back to FFXI.


Really? You went and deleted all of your posts because you are butthurt that I - and others - pointed out where you were flat-out wrong and how certain choices were inferior? And that wasn't even in this thread, but an entirely different one.

If 6 people criticizing you on an internet forum was enough to make you quit the game, it really makes me wonder what you'll do if and when people criticize you and prove you wrong in real life.

[Daemon]

Really? You went and deleted all of your posts because you are butthurt that I - and others - pointed out where you were flat-out wrong and how certain choices were inferior? And that wasn't even in this thread, but an entirely different one.

If 6 people criticizing you on an internet forum was enough to make you quit the game, it really makes me wonder what you'll do if and when people criticize you and prove you wrong in real life.

But you had no reason to point me wrong. You people asked how my build was. I told you how and why. And this was plasm farming for godsake it was not even Bosses T5 or something complicating of higher skill requirement and demand. Just because you have high end game gears does not mean everyone does.

It wasn't about who was right or wrong. It was about telling other people not to obtain gears that you say was worthless.

I never stated my build was better than yours. Or my build was the best way. And I never said you were wrong. I said your build is different and that's ok. I just think in some things it can be overgearing for certain places where you don't really have to.

You asked me if I full time Hvelgamir. I responded to your answer but then look at the way you responded to that?

If you deal with people like this, I question how many people in the real world is going to accept that and stick around?

This was my point. You should not be telling people they are flat out wrong because this wasnt a game of who is right. You shouldnt advise and expect a medical intern to skip college and med school because you think it's worthless and expect them to be a knowledgable successful doctor on the same level as you.

And it does not matter what thread it was. Telling others that I don't know anything not to listen to the op because he is misguiding people led me to eliminate my work for your cause.

And by the way it was more than 6 just the same when bullies gather together and feed each other the motive to hate on 1 person.

So id rather go somewhere else.

And a couple of people did point out that the treatment you people gave me was undeserved.

[Daemon]

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

[Karah]

I didn't post in this thread at all -.- (until now)

One should learn to handle constructive criticism though.

[Daemon]

I didn't post in this thread at all -.- (until now)

It was your attitude in the other thread.

[Karah]

I mean, one thread = another thread now? Just because you're wrong in one place, doesn't mean you didn't do (some) good somewhere else dood.

Admitted I never read any of it (here) which is why I never posted.

Eh whatever, I have no problem being "the bad guy". It's even better to be the bad guy without even actually doing anything lol.

[Daemon]

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

[Tamoa]

Nobody asked you how your build for anything was. You brought up the ws Myrkr as something useful, which made me wonder how on earth that can be useful when every single mage job should be swapping their weapon when casting to maximize their efficiency/spell effect - meaning you will never have tp, and this is why I eventually asked if you fulltime Hvergelmir. The thread is still there, go back and read it. In addition, you were the one telling us how you purposely cure in less than 50% potency - nobody asked you about this, you told us.

Sylow even proved to you, by using maths, how relying on Myrkr is inferior to something as simple as having 1mp/tick refresh.

You could have chosen not to reply to us, thus dragging the arguing out further - hell, you could have blocked us all, even.

[Daemon]

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

[Daemon]

The Devs had to lock the other thread because of how bad it got out of hand with the way you people responded. Again it's not about who was right or wrong why are you not getting that already? Taking us way off point to prove whose build was better and then unreasonable name calling, ganging up against 1 person, it's too late to explain yourself now.

I've eliminated my work for your criticism and for your cause. I've ended my subscription. I'm out. And yes between Karah, Slaxxx, Sparthos and Tamoa you are the main reasons for me to take down my guide.

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

[Daemon]

I mean, one thread = another thread now? Just because you're wrong in one place, doesn't mean you didn't do (some) good somewhere else dood.

Admitted I never read any of it (here) which is why I never posted.

Eh whatever, I have no problem being "the bad guy". It's even better to be the bad guy without even actually doing anything lol.

I mean 1 thread bad enough to make a person quit the game? Yeah.

Bullying, it's in the news lately.

If you knew I was doing "some" good, you wouldn't have treated me like that to begin with.

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[Karah]

Well, I must admit, this is amusing. So, carry on dood. Do ya thang.

[Tamoa]

You really need to grow a thicker skin in you think someone arguing/disagreeing with you (and telling you why they disagree) is the same as you being bullied. And I never called you names, not once.

[Daemon]

You really need to grow a thicker skin in you think someone arguing/disagreeing with you (and telling you why they disagree) is the same as you being bullied. And I never called you names, not once.

Than that doesn't apply to you does it. For every 1 reply I try to answer I get 3-5 replies assuming from people thinking I'm talking to all of them.

Again it's way too late for you to explain yourself. I've already cancelled my subscription and eliminated my guide on your behalf. Damage has been done, learn to deal with your actions before you trash somebody else (And no that does not mean by cursing and name calling only.)

Grow a thicker skin after enduring past 200+ replies and comments? Yeah.. Ok.

I wrote my personal experience on how I used my setup. You posted links of other people writing info down rather than your own. And criticized me for wielding a WS EMP.

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[Karah]

http://i41.tinypic.com/ih1r7q.jpg

[Daemon]

http://i41.tinypic.com/ih1r7q.jpg

So we know how good you are for posting art work you found on the web yay.

And this is coming from the mind of an adult.

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[Karah]

I just truly and honestly want to see how many times you'll continue to reply.

You accuse me of something, well, I may as well make you honest.

[Daemon]

I just truly and honestly want to see how many times you'll continue to reply.

You accuse me of something, well, I may as well make you honest.

What was it you said on the other post? Ok campers what?

And yet you still continue to provoke me to answer you. And rather than ignore you as if you don't exist. I've shown respect and modesty by acknowledging you.

Hit like comment was enough for me to erase my guide thanks.

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[Karah]

You have to admit advocating full timing hvergelmir is pretty stupid. That's what that was in regards too.

Honestly, I give anyone who even equips one shit when I see them, (disclaimer, I do own one).

[Daemon]

You have to admit advocating full timing hvergelmir is pretty stupid. That's what that was in regards too.

Honestly, I give anyone who even equips one shit when I see them, (disclaimer, I do own one).

And did you even read the part where I said Full time during the Regain phase? How else do you use it then? Am I suppose to engage battle and raise it?

If I'm already raising the entire parties TP(Including mine) through Adloquium then why not use it especially if Plasm party is NOT boss party where you need to use capped potency.

And in case you are doing bosses where you run out of other MP recovery options wouldn't Icarus wing and Myrkr help "at the moment?" As a last resort?

If I'm already doing a good job keeping party alive then what's the issue? It's accomplishing the same thing either way. I just chose to make use of the TP I gained from Adloquium which also keeps me focused on keeping that spell up as first priority rather than forget.

Yeah key to this is so I won't forget to keep Adloquium up on all members.

Even without cure potency staff I could have 36% Cure Potency with

Oretanias Cape +4%
Roundel earring +5%
Serpentes set 5%
Hekas 15%
Augurs gloves 4%
Fylga Torque 3%

That's only gear. Therefore I don't lose TP for not switching weapon.

That's not good enough with Phalanx, Regen V up? I mean I really need to have 50% cure potency for plasm farming?

And why is it so bad to use Hvelgamir if I spent all that effort earning it?
But then again I'm wrong right?


That was my argument on why I said it wasn't worthless.

By the way my team has been netting 9k plasm per run playing the build I chose to play without any issue.

But it does not matter about experience and skills of the person playing the job, it's about statistics and mechanics right?

(Disclaimer: I never said my build was the only way, or the best way. I just choose to play different than others. And yes I own Hvelgamir too.)

[Karah]

You don't use it, that's the way to use it.

It goes into your mogsafe, it collects dust, that's it's proper use.

If you spent less time curing in the wrong gear, you would spend less mp negating the need to mrkyr. Pretty simple logic, which was already explained to you.

It had one minor use, during Voidwatch, before we were told about /fume and you couldn't get the procs. change > wing > mrkyr. Even that was stretching it's usefulness.

If you're not curing, and/or stunning then you're a wasted slot in the alliance. People don't invite a scholar to get adloquium.

[Tamoa]

You have to admit advocating full timing hvergelmir is pretty stupid. That's what that was in regards too.

Honestly, I give anyone who even equips one shit when I see them, (disclaimer, I do own one).

Mine's town gear only - that's acceptable, right? @.@




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You keep adding this to every post yet you keep replying. You do realize you're contradicting yourself, right?

And no, I don't feel particularly bad about "driving you to quit". If you cannot handle being criticized at all then you really should refrain from posting on the internet. Now, I don't know if you're a student or if you have a job - but what do you do if your teacher or another student tells you you are wrong and shows you why? Quit school? And if your boss or a co-worker tells you you are wrong or shows you how another solution is more efficient? Quit your job?

[Shirai]

And in case you are doing bosses where you run out of other MP recovery options wouldn't Icarus wing and Myrkr help "at the moment?"

No, for that the Vile elixirs are a great help, and if it happens that I am out of mine and need more we have our melee bring and bazaar them.
An icarus wing leaves you medicated for 2 hours, so for a meager 20% return of your mp it's not worth it.

And if you need several Viles to cope with MP consumption there's something else terribly amiss.


Even without cure potency staff I could have 36% Cure Potency with

Oretanias Cape +4%
Roundel earring +5%
Serpentes set 5%
Hekas 15%
Augurs gloves 4%
Fylga Torque 3%

Interesting, two pairs of gloves in one set, and still faaar from optimal.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/306862
Add in a pair of augmented Zentih pumps and voila, capped cure potency.
I'm sure people can make more optimal sets, but this is what I could come up with quickly with reasonably obtainable gear.

[Tamoa]

Even without cure potency staff I could have 36% Cure Potency with

Oretanias Cape +4%
Roundel earring +5%
Serpentes set 5%
Hekas 15%
Augurs gloves 4%
Fylga Torque 3%

That's not good enough with Regen V up? I mean I really need 50% for plasm farming?

You have talked about being mp efficient in the other thread that was locked. Don't you see how purposely having less than 50% cure potency is the exact opposite of being mp efficient?




By they way my team has been netting 9k plasm per run playing the build I chose to play without any issue.

More than anything that's going to be because the DDs aren't shit.

[Daemon]

You have talked about being mp efficient in the other thread that was locked. Don't you see how purposely having less than 50% cure potency is the exact opposite of being mp efficient?

In other threads I explained that "you have other options" on how to keep mp up or keep heal up. The job has the abilities no?? Some people criticized me for suggesting Rapture. Why do we even have the skill then?? If I can keep MP up regardless why is it a problem on wanting to enjoy the EMP staff I earned?? I never said I had a problem being effecient.


More than anything that's going to be because the DDs aren't shit.

Yeah ok. So Scholar absolutely makes no difference from Protect & Shell V, Adloquium, Phalanx, Stoneskin, Enblizzard, Haste, Firestorm +7 STR, Regen V and Embrava.

[Daemon]

No, for that the Vile elixirs are a great help, and if it happens that I am out of mine and need more we have our melee bring and bazaar them.
An icarus wing leaves you medicated for 2 hours, so for a meager 20% return of your mp it's not worth it.

And if you need several Viles to cope with MP consumption there's something else terribly amiss.



Interesting, two pairs of gloves in one set, and still faaar from optimal.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/306862
Add in a pair of augmented Zentih pumps and voila, capped cure potency.
I'm sure people can make more optimal sets, but this is what I could come up with quickly with reasonably obtainable gear.

Yeah ok point wasn't about whats best. Point was do I really need 50% cure potency for plasm farming when I'm not having trouble keeping the team alive, buffed and have no issue depending on myself to recover mp without the support of Bard and Cor?

And Vile Elixer+1 is 180k on my sever and you can only use it once being that its Rare item. Which I almost never have to use.

You see you both are still continuing to prove that I'm wrong for choosing to play a different style than yours. And trying to prove I'm wrong for playing the way I want.

I never said your build is wrong. I never said mine is the best. I'm saying Hvelgamir is not worthless and has its uses. And that my style of play is not the same as everyone else.

[Tamoa]

In other threads I explained that "you have other options" on how to keep mp up or keep heal up. The job has the abilities no?? Some people criticized me for suggesting Rapture. Why do we even have the skill then??

You really don't get it, do you. Okay I'll try to keep it very very basic and simple; by not having 50% cure potency it means you might have to cast CureIV instead of CureIII to be able to cure for the same amount as a 50% potency CureIII would. How is that mp efficient?




Yeah ok. So Scholar absolutely makes no difference from Protect & Shell V, Adloquium, Phalanx, Stoneskin, Enblizzard, Haste, Firestorm +7 STR, Regen V and Embrava.

Did I say the sch makes no difference? The fact is though, if the DDs are shitty, you kill much slower, meaning the DDs will also take more damage per fight, healer have to spam cures, slept mobs will wake up and attack whoever slept them, meaning the sleepers (often the brd) might die - and all this often result in multiple deaths, slowing the whole run down immensely. Been there done that. There's a HUGE difference between plasm farming with good DDs and bad DDs.

[Daemon]

You really don't get it, do you. Okay I'll try to keep it very very basic and simple; by not having 50% cure potency it means you might have to cast CureIV instead of CureIII to be able to cure for the same amount as a 50% potency CureIII would. How is that mp efficient?





Did I say the sch makes no difference? The fact is though, if the DDs are shitty, you kill much slower, meaning the DDs will also take more damage per fight, healer have to spam cures, slept mobs will wake up and attack whoever slept them, meaning the sleepers (often the brd) might die - and all this often result in multiple deaths, slowing the whole run down immensely. Been there done that. There's a HUGE difference between plasm farming with good DDs and bad DDs.

Ok but that's your way of playing the job. I never said I was struggling to keep DDs alive. In fact I don't need to Cure my team often because of Regen V & Phalanx.

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to prove that my playstyle of choice is wrong. I earned EMP staff why is it wrobg for me to use it? Plasm farming is not hard.

I can understand if it was A boss fight but these are not NMs, these are regular monsters in delve.

[Shirai]

Yes, your playstyle is extremely inefficient. So yes, you are doing it wrong.

And this is the last I will say about it, I will keep reading because bluntly said, you and your arguments are quite amusing.

[Daemon]

Yes, your playstyle is extremely inefficient. So yes, you are doing it wrong.

If I was having a hard time keeping buffs up and keeping my team alive. Or if I was struggling to keep my mp up. Then you can tell me that my way is wrong.

If I had bard and Cor for mp, then I never use Myrkr.

But I tell them not to worry about me and focus on DD as I am in the way during runs making them do extra work. (I'm usually too close to DDs for Accession)

So what is the problem, we are accomplishing the same goal? Is it because you follow statistics & mechanics?

You must have the wrong impression. I never rest for mp, almost never use convert. Almost never use Icarus and Vile Elixer and handle my own with Sublimation and Myrkr.

Maybe in 1 run I use Myrkr 2 times, 3 the most depending on DD but that's only because Im making use of the TP I gained from Adloquium.

Again I'm not saying my build is right or the best. I'm saying I choose to play differently than you. Is that bad really?

I worked hard for Hvelagamir, and you are saying I'm wrong for wanting to use it.

I've almost never had my MP run out unless I had to raise people and that's when Convert, Vile Elixer and Icarus Wing is an available option for me.

[Tamoa]

Ok but that's your way of playing the job. I never said I was struggling to keep DDs alive. In fact I don't need to Cure my team often because of Regen V & Phalanx.

Which further shows, in addition to what you said about getting 9k plasm/run, that you have good DDs.

Enjoy your empyrean staff as much as you like. But please refrain from saying it's useful, because it isn't.

[Daemon]

I can see your point better if I had to use Cure often. But what you don't seem to understand is that through strategy, I don't use Cure that much but rely on Regen V, Phalanx, Stoneskin to do the job.

And yes my team is good that we kill fast and earn 9k plasm per run. Therefore I don't spend the entire time curing.

Unless your DDs are killing slow requiring you to use cure often then I'm understanding why you would use Cure Potency 50%. Most of my mp is focused on Buffs. And I heavily rely on Regen V do most of the work with an occasional cure here and there.

[Daemon]

Enjoy your empyrean staff as much as you like. But please refrain from saying it's useful, because it isn't.

Well worthless I still disagree. I still think if you are fighting T5 Bosses and if you died, or ran out of MP or had no Elixers and Convert was on countdown.

You still could switch over to Hvelgamir, pop an Icarus Wing and use Myrkr from far away. Atleast that would give you 200+ MP and if you casted Adloquium while weakened, that would be even better. By the time you do unweaken, TP could well be close to 300% and at 300%, you would gain 900-1k mp back instantly.

Unless its best to use sublimation while weakened? O.o

But that's just my opinion.

[Doombringer]

buddy, you're free to do whatever the hell you want until people decide that they're free to not play with you anymore.

the problem with then taking that here and advocating it however, is that OTHER people might read it, and then also do it. you're spreading it around, infesting the zeitgeist. if it's provably bad advice, then these people are really just doing a public service debunking it.

the big Hvergelmir hangup here is a good example because, especially for a newer player, it's a LOT of effort; for very little to no benefit. (many would argue that the way you're using it, it HURTS you. you lose cure potency of course, but you also lose magic acc on enfeebles, magic damage on nukes, and potentially even a little potency on enhancing spells.) and what do you gain? less mp sustain than if you'd just used an owleyes, which wouldn't have had all those downsides.

if you wanna carry it around to swap in, wing, get your mp, and swap out? fine. neat trick. but if you fulltime it, you are HURTING your alliance. they are not doing well BECAUSE of you, they are doing well IN SPITE of you.

to advocate such a limited gimmick when players could be putting their energy towards something more useful, is harmful to the community. they're not going to get left behind for delve because they don't have a delve weapon, they're going to get left behind for delve because they fulltime a hvergelmir and don't have a full cure potency set and a strong magic acc set. sure you can get away with it farming plasm, but what are you gonna spend that plasm on if you can't kill the nm's?


i'm sorry man but these people weren't bullying you, they were correcting you. now if you wanna take your ball and go home, fine. but you have to go home...

[Toukai]

That's a shame. I was really hoping to look through the guide again. Found it the other night, I work nights and when things get slow I check out the forums. I only get a chance to play XI during the day and I wanted to apply some of those methods in order to help fund my gungnir (I know lolshock spikes) but now it's all gone =(

[Daemon]

buddy, you're free to do whatever the hell you want until people decide that they're free to not play with you anymore.

the problem with then taking that here and advocating it however, is that OTHER people might read it, and then also do it. you're spreading it around, infesting the zeitgeist. if it's provably bad advice, then these people are really just doing a public service debunking it.

the big Hvergelmir hangup here is a good example because, especially for a newer player, it's a LOT of effort; for very little to no benefit. (many would argue that the way you're using it, it HURTS you. you lose cure potency of course, but you also lose magic acc on enfeebles, magic damage on nukes, and potentially even a little potency on enhancing spells.) and what do you gain? less mp sustain than if you'd just used an owleyes, which wouldn't have had all those downsides.

if you wanna carry it around to swap in, wing, get your mp, and swap out? fine. neat trick. but if you fulltime it, you are HURTING your alliance. they are not doing well BECAUSE of you, they are doing well IN SPITE of you.

to advocate such a limited gimmick when players could be putting their energy towards something more useful, is harmful to the community. they're not going to get left behind for delve because they don't have a delve weapon, they're going to get left behind for delve because they fulltime a hvergelmir and don't have a full cure potency set and a strong magic acc set. sure you can get away with it farming plasm, but what are you gonna spend that plasm on if you can't kill the nm's?


i'm sorry man but these people weren't bullying you, they were correcting you. now if you wanna take your ball and go home, fine. but you have to go home...

And you did not read the entire conversation.

I already said. When it comes to NMs, I agree you need 50% potency.
T5 boss run, I said Hvelgamir could be useful.

Reading small parts of the conversation without knowing everything the person said beforehand leads to misunderstanding.
Plasm farming is not hard. Most of my MP goes toward Enhancing and buffs due to Accession. Not cure.

Because the DD in my group were well geared. Killing fast allows me to use less Cure which also allows me to use less cure potency and focus more on buffs.
Mechanics and Statististics does not overrule Experiance and Skills of the job you are playing. Strategy does exist otherwise why have all the job abilities in the first place?
Not everyone is going to have the same gear as you. We make do with what we have.

And that's where strategy differs.

I believe our conversation came to an end after it was realized that a party with bad DDs lead to slow kills leads to more cure, which in this case is why 50% cure potency is needed.

Hvelgamir only took 2 weeks to earn. WoE version could take less.

Flat out saying it has no benefit I still do not believe. I already stated why. Are you really going to eliminate a small option that could make a difference? No matter how little the detail, in the end small details lead to bigger outcomes that could help you to be stronger and survive better. I just don't understand why people ignore this? Because it takes too long? No time?

You advise people it's worthless. I use it all the time and say its not. I don't have it because it looks pretty, and I don't keep it in store collecting dust.

I've use it in many occasions such as death and reraise, weakens status and it has its use.

If our party makes 9k plasm, how am I hurting my alliance? Is that weak? Are we suppose to be making more than that?

I think the issue here is that you are assuming I party with bad DDs or Half DDs. And not seeing how gear and skills can change the outcome of your strategy.

[Daemon]

That's a shame. I was really hoping to look through the guide again. Found it the other night, I work nights and when things get slow I check out the forums. I only get a chance to play XI during the day and I wanted to apply some of those methods in order to help fund my gungnir (I know lolshock spikes) but now it's all gone =(

And I apologize, I removed it because I was criticized for not knowing anything and didn't want to further mislead people with my work. Also didn't get enough feedback.

[Demon6324236]

You say there wasn't enough feedback, there was, just not the positive type you so desired, had you simply accepted that others had given info which was more accurate or in the case of Emp Staff v Owleyes you could have simply continued onward and had people getting help from this. Instead you are acting like a little kid who thought since a couple people made fun of your sand castle you would just smash it with your shovel and complain people made you do it because they made fun of you. You said your goal here was to help people, well, some of the things you said were helping people, but then you deleted everything, now all you did was waste your time when you put all of the work into this that you did, does it not seem that you are acting stupid by doing such a thing?

[Daemon]

You say there wasn't enough feedback, there was, just not the positive type you so desired, had you simply accepted that others had given info which was more accurate or in the case of Emp Staff v Owleyes you could have simply continued onward and had people getting help from this. Instead you are acting like a little kid who thought since a couple people made fun of your sand castle you would just smash it with your shovel and complain people made you do it because they made fun of you. You said your goal here was to help people, well, some of the things you said were helping people, but then you deleted everything, now all you did was waste your time when you put all of the work into this that you did, does it not seem that you are acting stupid by doing such a thing?

Seriously DJ? You've partied with me before and should know better.theres a reason the other post got locked. I'm not acting like a kid, I'm just fed up dealing with non sense. I have better things to do and better places to go than stick around people who don't want to look past themselves and accept others can be different.

And now you are falling into the same as others when I said you are replying without reading the entire conversation which leads to misunderstanding.

[Demon6324236]

I don't need to read an entire conversation to see that your guide that was meant to help people was deleted. You think no info was helpful in there? No, some was, that's obvious, and people are coming back to look at it now, but guess what, its gone, you removed it, why? You got criticism, are you telling me you accepted it and said it was a good piece of advice to add on? No, from what parts I did see and read it seemed like you were arguing that there are options, and they were wrong, starting fights with people which caused all of this. The thing with options and your statement of 'people need to look past themselves and accept others are different' is that you are arguing with these same people about their attempt to explain things to you which are in fact different, and in some cases, easier improvements for players.

The main thing I saw you argue about with these people is the Emp Staff and the Owleyes, and in this argument I dare you to tell me that its easier to make the Emp Staff or even the WoE staff than it is to get Owleyes, but you cant, and wont, because I know you man, your not stupid. I am not trying to be a dick, I know you, and I know what this looks like overall, you deleting your guide helped no one, not a single person. After the last few times I have talked to you when you have been talking about how you put all of your time into this, so much so I have not seen you around on FFXI in the last week, deleting now seems like a pointless move.

On top of everything else, think about who you really are doing harm by deleting it anyways. If you left it here and ignored people who were posting the feedback or criticism you could have continued or left it as it was, those in need of the assistance could have come and gone as the wished, and the people who gave you that same criticism could have added in things that would help as well. As of now, you have deleted this entire thread of everything helpful to those in need, did that hurt the people you were arguing with in any way shape or form? No, they knew all of this already, and if anything, they knew potentially more, which is why they argued with you about it, but the people who did need it, are the ones who you just hurt by taking it away.

Its like if you were in a place, cooking free food for those in need, then a couple wealthy business men walk in and tell you that your food tastes horrible, and all of a sudden you yell for everyone to get out and then set the place on fire. All you just did was screw the homeless people who were in need, and getting your assistance out of that same assistance, the wealthy business men aren't helping, they might have the money, but where is their free food to those in need? No where, and you just burnt down the one place they had. This thread was that place to an extent, a guide to try helping people who are in need in this game get on their feet and try getting something done, rather than giving up on it because everyone tries to skip to the end. I do not see these other people making a guide like this, not even trying, no real attempt it seems, so while they talk big about knowing more, where is their guide? When they have that, then they can put you down, then they can tell you that your doing more harm than good, but till then, the best they should ever offer is feedback and advice, and all you should do, is accept that, and continue onward, rather than burning down your efforts to help that you put so much time into, and walking away.

You told me yesterday or day before you wanted me to come here and support you, I looked, I saw your argument, and I couldn't support you, because I did not agree with what you were doing. I was not about to go telling people that I agreed with you when I did not, I did not agree with the argument you had before, and I do not agree with the action you took as a result. If all you do at this point man is walk away from this and give up, then you helped almost no one even though you put so much time in, and some people really were helped. If you try to rebuild on it and make it into a guide again, you might help more people, and do what you tried from the start, but if you do that, you have to be willing and able to accept the very same kind of feedback you resisted this time, and cause all of these problems. I hope you choose to go the path of helping more people, because while you seem to think it caused nothing but problems and deleted it, you put a lot of time into this, and I would hate to watch all of that work go to waste, especially with the amount of people you could help that are trying to get somewhere in this game, rather than standing around, lost and confused, or simply giving up.

[Daemon]

If it takes 1 person to step away and quit for that person to think about the next time they do it to someone else. So be it, I've accomplished my purpose.

[Demon6324236]

I thought your purpose was to help the people who are stuck in this game without the ability to get out of it because of not knowing how or where to start. Sorry for my misunderstanding man, just leave and give up on people, that will solve everything and do what you set out to do I guess.

I tried to explain to you as a friend what happened here, and where you have went wrong in what you seemed to be trying to do, I suppose as a friend I failed you in that part, I apologies for my failure. Bye Ultimas, was nice knowing you man, Ill miss doin stuff like WoE with ya and shootin the shit with ya about RDM & SCH.

[Daemon]

I thought your purpose was to help the people who are stuck in this game without the ability to get out of it because of not knowing how or where to start. Sorry for my misunderstanding man, just leave and give up on people, that will solve everything and do what you set out to do I guess.

I tried to explain to you as a friend what happened here, and where you have went wrong in what you seemed to be trying to do, I suppose as a friend I failed you in that part, I apologies for my failure. Bye Ultimas, was nice knowing you man, Ill miss doin stuff like WoE with ya and shootin the shit with ya about RDM & SCH.

You are awesome, my LS friends are too, however I just don't like how the community has changed over Delve. I tried to help, rather than seeing that from those who critcized and judged me, my motivation to stay has been shot down. Instead it was more important to prove me wrong rather than see the bigger picture taking us off topic. Why stay for what reason? People I see around town seem to be miserable because "NO ONE WANTS TO HELP ANYBODY" and when I tried to touch the topic.. I get criticized for it. As much as I wanted to stay.. I have no motivation anymore. Going to properly say goodye to everyone I know on Phoenix before my account ends. Thanks.

[Daemon]

I'm moving my guide somewhere else because it doesn't belong on the forums, I've saved the notes. Or I will email them to you DJ.

[Toukai]

Can you send me a copy as well? There was a lot of pertinent information in there I'd like to go over. (@ work and surprised its so slow on the 4th o July) I'll figure out a way to get my email to ya if you're willing to share.

[Daemon]

If u did like my guide, please leave a comment. If I see enough people interested, I will put it back up in a new thread and continue to add more details. After all might as well spill out all secrets since I'm moving on. From adding more details to gil farming....

It's your fault DJ.. Just know that.

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

If u did like my guide, please leave a comment. If I see enough people interested, I will put it back up in a new thread and continue to add more details. After all might as well spill out all secrets since I'm moving on. From adding more details to gil farming....

It's your fault DJ.. Just know that.

If you see enough people interested you'll put it back up? Oh, so you won't help the one person who said nothing negative, said your guide looked helpful, and planned on trying it in his gameplay? Oh, you want lines of people to tell you how awesome you are, and gently caress your Epeen before you'll do it eh?

I mean honestly, who responds to their own thread to ask why more people haven't hit the like button?

Seems you weren't doing it for others, but to inflate your own ego. Thankfully some people came by to stick a pin in it and deflate it back down to where it should be.

[Karah]

Noooooooooooooooooooo You changed the first post again, and removed my name from not only causing you to delete the guide, causing you to quit the game period. My name was listed first too. I'm severely disappointed now.

Why do you hurt me so =/

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

Noooooooooooooooooooo You changed the first post again, and removed my name from not only causing you to delete the guide, causing you to quit the game period. My name was listed first too. I'm severely disappointed now.

Why do you hurt me so =/

I too, would like to give a special thanks to Karah and their help.

-Kaijin: FFXI Forum Troll

[Daemon]

If you see enough people interested you'll put it back up? Oh, so you won't help the one person who said nothing negative, said your guide looked helpful, and planned on trying it in his gameplay? Oh, you want lines of people to tell you how awesome you are, and gently caress your Epeen before you'll do it eh?

I mean honestly, who responds to their own thread to ask why more people haven't hit the like button?

Seems you weren't doing it for others, but to inflate your own ego. Thankfully people came by to stick a pin in it and deflate it back down to where it should be.

People who work hard and spend alot of time and dedication to making something free to help others from wasting time trying to figure it out on thier own. Yet if you feel like my time and effort means nothing to you for trying to do something to help you, a person i do not even know personally, then I understand. Ill leave it at that. thanks.

I think asking for a little feedback to see if my guide was helping or it needed improvement should not be a big deal.

[Daemon]

Noooooooooooooooooooo You changed the first post again, and removed my name from not only causing you to delete the guide, causing you to quit the game period. My name was listed first too. I'm severely disappointed now.

Why do you hurt me so =/

Karah,

Yet i am here trying to be the better person and out of respect i took your names off. But if you want to continue to have hatred thats all you.

[Daemon]

Honestly if you think i need friends, I just finished spinning a 9 hour set in front of a crowd of over 1,500+ the other night for Gay Pride New York City. I have a million of things to do, if my time is not important then thats fine with me.

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

People who work hard and spend alot of time and dedication to making some free to help others from wasting time trying to figure it out. Yet if you feel like my time and effort means nothing to you for trying to do something help you, a person i do not even know personally, then I understand. Ill leave it at that. thanks.

Um...I've already delved it up. I didn't need to read your guide. I was referring to you ignoring the people in the thread who liked your guide and said they found it helpful by removing it.

If this whole thing wasn't about getting "Thank you"s and praise, you would have ignored the people disagreeing with you, and left your guide up for those that found it helpful.

But....we see which path you took. Your time and effort means nothing to me, true; however there are people in this thread that did appreciate what you did, and even thanked you for it, and you threw it away and discarded those people because some people disagreed with you.

[Daemon]

Um...I've already delved it up. I didn't need to read your guide. I was referring to you ignoring the people in the thread who liked your guide and said they found it helpful by removing it.

If this whole thing wasn't about getting "Thank you"s and praise, you would have ignored the people disagreeing with you, and left your guide up for those that found it helpful.

But....we see which path you took. Your time and effort means nothing to me, true; however there are people in this thread that did appreciate what you did, and even thanked you for it, and you threw it away and discarded those people because some people disagreed with you.

Then why are you here? What have you done to help people other than criticize? If you already delved it up then why are you looking at a basic guide for those who are not up to your level?

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

Karah,

Yet i am here trying to be the better person and out of respect i took your names off. But if you want to continue to have hatred thats all you.

Doesn't the better person walk away? Just curious?

[Daemon]

You can continue to criticize, this is only showing people what kind of community they are trying to be part of. You are showing people exactly why I decided to quit and move on.

[Daemon]

Doesn't the better person walk away? Just curious?

The better person doesnt walk away, the better person tries to correct what is wrong and fix the situation. In my case I removed the names out of respect rather than further point out my disappointment. For you to further suggest your take on how i should handle the matter does not involve you if your name was not up there.

[Karah]

I haven't seen any quitting nor moving on, did you quit quitting? Are you a quitter?

[Daemon]

I haven't seen any quitting nor moving on, did you quit quitting? Are you a quitter?

Are you a bully? Are you provoking me? Are you trying to show how awesome you are by your fierceness? Seriously adults act like this in 2013?

[Karah]

*flexes* well kinda... Just asking a question, no need to get offended dood.

I just see a lot of whining, no quitting. Just complain complain complain. Attention attention attention reply to every post plus me like me tell me you miss me blah blah blah.

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

Then why are you here? What have you done to help people other than criticize? If you already delved it up then why are you looking at a basic guide for those who are not up to your level?

Answer to question #1: Trolling is fun. I need to feed on lots of tears to keep going.

Answer to question #2: I've used my experiences in delve and with the NMs to get multiple people NM clears for their KI. I've also taken non-delve DD and non-typical delve jobs to delve to get them plasm. I've also super tanked Colonization and Lair Reives to get people Bayld to buy gear, with my PLD. Don't assume that just because I didn't post a lengthy guide on the forums, I've done nothing to help the FFXI community.

Answer to question #3: I made the below post in your guide to help add to the information you were giving people. Notice I didn't disagree, I just offered my input as well.

Also, I really only started to troll you after you made a whole other thread complaining about those who disagreed with you. Your mentality of "It's not okay to disagree with me, but I can disagree with you" and your obvious need for forum recognition simply irked me enough to start.


Easier yet...

Any job that can build amber lights.

Avoid any weaponskill that build ruby light, and try to get the final blow with a DoT or regular melee swing to boost your pearl lights to increase the rate at which chests appear.

Abyssea - Konschtat

Build amber lights to ~100-120 (avoid going over this.)

The goal here is for gold chests.

They will drop any variety of synthesis materials.

The reason to do Aby-Kon however, is for the augmented Dark Rings. These beauties npc for ~33k each if I remember correctly. Also, due to the ability to get -6% physical and magic damage taken on these, they're a must have for any job building a -DT set.

The benefits to this as opposed to other options is your ability to utilize both Cruor buffs, and Atmas (higher damage, reraise, and large regen) to minimize kill times and downtime from being damaged.

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

The better person doesnt walk away, the better person tries to correct what is wrong and fix the situation. In my case I removed the names out of respect rather than further point out my disappointment. For you to further suggest your take on how i should handle the matter does not involve you if your name was not up there.

What about the "better people" who tried to offer correcting advice and counter-points to your guide? It's wrong for them to do it, but okay for you?

[Daemon]

So if you dont wanna hear it then why are you here? There is a difference between complaining, whining, complain complain complain as you say it than someone defending themselves over wasting there time with somebody who is busy trying to make themselves look like a somebody as if they are more superior than others who try to be part of the forums and share an opinion.. Seriously you are an adult? Act like one this is not highschool. Otherwise you are really labeling yourself as a real troll.

[Daemon]

What about the "better people" who tried to offer correcting advice and counter-points to your guide? It's wrong for them to do it, but okay for you?

Offering points to my guide is one thing, if you even read the guide before, I never had any conflict with others correcting me, In fact I accepted the mistake and corrected it. Brutal earring 2% was pointed out to me that the correct stat was 5%.

Its how you approach someone that effects the outcome of the response. Ive even stated how i respect those who offered their opinion. Seriously.

[Daemon]

Answer to question #1: Trolling is fun. I need to feed on lots of tears to keep going.

Answer to question #2: I've used my experiences in delve and with the NMs to get multiple people NM clears for their KI. I've also taken non-delve DD and non-typical delve jobs to delve to get them plasm. I've also super tanked Colonization and Lair Reives to get people Bayld to buy gear, with my PLD. Don't assume that just because I didn't post a lengthy guide on the forums, I've done nothing to help the FFXI community.

Answer to question #3: I made the below post in your guide to help add to the information you were giving people. Notice I didn't disagree, I just offered my input as well.

Also, I really only started to troll you after you made a whole other thread complaining about those who disagreed with you. Your mentality of "It's not okay to disagree with me, but I can disagree with you" and your obvious need for forum recognition simply irked me enough to start.

This is where you are misunderstanding. Its a BIG DIFFERENCE to offer an opinion on why a person is wrong. Its on another to state YOU ARE WRONG. And then start acting like a child name calling. And yes alot of the rage came from that after I have been respectful.

2nd. Trying to respond to 1 person and then have 3-5 other people responding back thinking im talking to all of those who are debating is misunderstanding.

Thats the part when you start skipping the conversation and jump in adding your take without knowing whats going on. This is the reason why debates get heated and confused.

[Karah]

So if you dont wanna hear it then why are you here? There is a difference between complaining, whining, complain complain complain as you say it than someone defending themselves over wasting there time with somebody who is busy trying to make themselves look like a somebody as if they are more superior than others who try to be part of the forums and share an opinion.. Seriously you are an adult? Act like one this is not highschool. Otherwise you are really labeling yourself as a real troll.

You mean to tell me that this isn't high school, really? Ruin my hopes =/ I thought I was in the cool kid group u.u

Did anyone (including myself) say I wasn't a troll? I don't recall that one. But if it gets you to stop advocating some of the most boring incorrect drivel on the site, I'll wear that badge proudly.

I've said like 6 times what was really going on here... in previous pages.

[Daemon]

You mean to tell me that this isn't high school, really? Ruin my hopes =/ I thought I was in the cool kid group u.u

Did anyone (including myself) say I wasn't a troll? I don't recall that one. But if it gets you to stop advocating some of the most boring incorrect drivel on the site, I'll wear that badge proudly.

Well good for you. Still the heat between us carrying on and I am still here trying to show you some respect.
Again adults act this way in 2013?

If you consider yourself to be in the Cool group, well sorry, I think Id rather be in a better group than yours.

[Karah]

You've got a set of balls asking if this is how adults act, when you're the one who destroyed an entire guide, because a* couple people corrected you.

Temper tantrum much?

Still waiting for you to pick up your toys and go home.

[Daemon]

You've got a set of balls asking if this is how adults act, when you're the one who destroyed an entire guide, because I couple people corrected you.

Temper tantrum much?

Correct me? or criticize me? BIG DIFFERENCE. Seriously and you are here giving pro advice to others with your superiorness. I never said I was giving pro advice in the other thread. I was defending myself by explaining why I did what you guys asked.

[Daemon]

Seriously this is the kind of people in FFXI community. This is why i said your actions are effecting others who are trying to learn the game and have fun.

[Karah]

It has nothing to do with the FFXI community, this is the internet in general, welcome to it, enjoy your stay.

You should see what would get done to you if people wouldn't be banned...

[Daemon]

So misunderstood, and because you don't know how to observe a conversation and participate in it fully, you rather jump in here and there and skip what was being discussed and start pointing fingers. Im here trying to keep my cool and respond to you like a decent human being.

[Daemon]

It has nothing to do with the FFXI community, this is the internet in general, welcome to it, enjoy your stay.

You should see what would get done to you if people wouldn't be banned...

Good for you Judge Karah. Here is the hammer. Any other people you wanna trash someone who tries to help others? Because seriously if you really think you are that cool in an awesome group. Your example is painting a picture to everyone reading what kind of person you really are.

[Karah]

I wasn't even in this thread, at all, until you said I was criticizing you, well now you got me here. How can I make your thread more pleasurable?

EVERYONE knows what kind of person I am, I'm a huge prick. A complete and utter king a**h*** I make claims to this fact DAILY.

[Daemon]

I wasn't even in this thread, at all, until you said I was criticizing you, well now you got me here. How can I make your thread more pleasurable?

Well lets see, I took the initiative to remove your name off every single post where my guide was. Doesn't that tell you that Im trying to fix our conflict? Yet rather seeing that im trying to better our heated hatred against one another you are still trying to feed fire to your ego.

What do you want me to do next? Get on my knees and bow down to you in hopes you would see my intentions?

[Karah]

I've never been known to turn down someone getting on their knees...

All I want, is you to keep entertaining me (and anyone else being entertained) cause we're certainly not enjoying XI at the moment so this is all we got.

[Daemon]

And do know most of my issues was not about you alone. It was about others jumping in trying to participate in a conversation they had no interest in reading the full details of the discussion leading to a huge load of misunderstanding between me and others.

[Karah]

But my name was listed first, it hurts me the most it was removed u.u

[Daemon]

I wasn't even in this thread, at all, until you said I was criticizing you, well now you got me here. How can I make your thread more pleasurable?

EVERYONE knows what kind of person I am, I'm a huge prick. A complete and utter king a**h*** I make claims to this fact DAILY.

Ok let me revise where we got off on the wrong note. At first I thought you were agreeing with me. That the post was going off topic. That we were wasting time over something stupid. Yes?

Then you started adding pictures of Stewie. Which later I realized you are just feeding other people reason to disagree with me. Then my issue became heated when you made the campers remark.

Evidence shows you did not participate in our conversation, you jumped in and made comments without even reading what was discussed. Which a good portion of people did the same leading to alot of things being repeated out of defense rather than move past what the debated discussion was leading to misunderstanding and confusion and rather show me the respect for trying to answer people, some tried to stop me by saying im totally wrong without even listening.

Yeah so you claim you are a Pr***. I know alot of those in the real world but we are awesome friends and don't care about each others personality because its unique to themselves and I don't judge others for being them.

However I know them and thats the way they are, Unlike being on the forums where I dont even know some people personally trying to attack and criticize me without even giving me a chance.

[Daemon]

EVERYONE knows what kind of person I am, I'm a huge prick. A complete and utter king a**h*** I make claims to this fact DAILY.

Reading your other posts did not paint that picture in my eyes. I had respect for you thinking you are a nice Veteran Player who helps others in the community.

[Karah]

You might want to review your statement, family guy disgusts me. I would never stoop to using it in any form.

That post was added by Shirai, even though we're both Mithran, we have different hair color.

I read the tl dr from one of my favorite posters, I'm certain he summed it up expertly, as he always does *props*.

Ascertained the thread could benefit from my expert opinion and carried through~

[Toukai]

Dude, THANK YOU

I see so many people talking about gear sets for specific issues, but they all assume that everyone knows what should be in each gear set. Thank you for actually listing the gear that is needed ^^

Your posts are very informative and well written. Thank you!

I've got a few jobs I'm' working on, but right now, my best geared job is dnc, with either /nin /thf or /war (no R/M/E yet, I know, I'm working on it). I constantly see people stating that they used 'haste setup' or 'evasion setup' or 'ws setup' and I'm doing the best with what I have, but would LOVE some specific gear pieces that can be low-manned. My small group has smn, thf, and bst available to help out. So, anything that could be obtained with low-man pet groups or solo'd as dnc/nin, please let me know. There's been so many gear additions since Abyssea came out that I'm finding myself a little overwhelmed ^^

Help? :)

I'm in this boat. I just came back from a year and 2 month "break" and landed back in Vanadiel in mid June or so, well after delve had been established and was a bit lost at what I should do. If i had your knowledge and wrote a guide whether or not people corrected or criticized my guide I'd think even 1 thank you like the above quote would be enough to justify keeping the guide in the face of adversity. And yes, I do want the guide up so I can use it myself I think there are plenty of others who could benefit from it. I'd just ignore what trolls say, although I did take the time to read through your other thread which was locked. I don't see what was really wrong with what they said, in fact a lot of their advice was really helpful. Chatoyant staff helped my inventory a lot for one thing.

The comment at R/M/E being pretty useless isn't that far off either. I mean, my heart belongs to the drg class and i've always wanted a gungnir since way back when i first started. It has always had a lot of problems (lol shock spikes, Agl mod ws, Def down not stacking with angon...) And with the new delve weapons just absolutely crushing their stats a lot of r/e/m are kinda useless. I don't think anyone meant that they would always be useless but with the way SE is about updates (what is it 3 years smn have been promised Cait sith?) and no mention of r/e/m updates anytime soon I don't think anyone can really justify making a relic besides like aegis or gollyhorn. Its a huge time commitment that could be better spent working towards Delve equipment or even collecting gear from other places to play catchup (what i'm currently doing as my gungnir is on hold for now until we get definitive info on the adjustments).

And while their comments may not have been the most polite, this is the internet. The darkest cesspool of humanity, a wretched hive of scum and villainy but they do have cookies.
So i say just take it in stride and repost ur guide to help the loldrgs like me other less fortunate or casual players improve their game play and feel like they are actually accomplishing something.

[Daemon]

Demonjustin and me are mad cool with each other in game yet we hit the forums debating like crazy but its refreshing because we are both trying to learn from each other. Atleast he is willing to give me the same respect by listening to my take rather than ignore what i say and constantly attack me by trying to prove me wrong.

My opinion are not meant to be a day time soap opera of who is right and who is wrong. Our discussions are about how we play jobs differently and what works for each other.

Ive been respectful in responding to people even when they come off attacking me in the start without even knowing me.

[Daemon]

I'm in this boat. I just came back from a year and 2 month "break" and landed back in Vanadiel in mid June or so, well after delve had been established and was a bit lost at what I should do. If i had your knowledge and wrote a guide whether or not people corrected or criticized my guide I'd think even 1 thank you like the above quote would be enough to justify keeping the guide in the face of adversity. And yes, I do want the guide up so I can use it myself I think there are plenty of others who could benefit from it. I'd just ignore what trolls say, although I did take the time to read through your other thread which was locked. I don't see what was really wrong with what they said, in fact a lot of their advice was really helpful. Chatoyant staff helped my inventory a lot for one thing.

The comment at R/M/E being pretty useless isn't that far off either. I mean, my heart belongs to the drg class and i've always wanted a gungnir since way back when i first started. It has always had a lot of problems (lol shock spikes, Agl mod ws, Def down not stacking with angon...) And with the new delve weapons just absolutely crushing their stats a lot of r/e/m are kinda useless. I don't think anyone meant that they would always be useless but with the way SE is about updates (what is it 3 years smn have been promised Cait sith?) and no mention of r/e/m updates anytime soon I don't think anyone can really justify making a relic besides like aegis or gollyhorn. Its a huge time commitment that could be better spent working towards Delve equipment or even collecting gear from other places to play catchup (what i'm currently doing as my gungnir is on hold for now until we get definitive info on the adjustments).

And while their comments may not have been the most polite, this is the internet. The darkest cesspool of humanity, a wretched hive of scum and villainy but they do have cookies.
So i say just take it in stride and repost ur guide to help the loldrgs like me other less fortunate or casual players improve their game play and feel like they are actually accomplishing something.

And this is why I can respect you. You did not come off attacking me flat out saying im wrong. You shared your opinion very nicely. However dealing with others didnt come off like that.

I did spend a good portion of the time trying to explain myself. However answering 1 reply and getting 3-5 attacks at once did not help. But I agree with you, and I have even stated several times, Its not about who is right and who is wrong. I tried to explain to others the mystery of why I equipped Hvelgamier full time as in, Full time during the regain phase. But rather observe the situation, People did flat out say its worthless and didnt even give me the opportunity to explain why I felt it wasnt.

In this thread my explanation was realized.

[Daemon]

The thing about equipment and being level 99. You cannot expect people to obtain a delve weapon and be ready for T5 bosses without gear.

Sometimes it takes gear to obtain gear but that also depends on the skill of the person. Why did i ever state pieces like Kirin Pole to begin with. Well not everyone can get a party together and earn Rubieus set.

Ive done Qilin 2000+ times and still NEVER got a coruscanti. My guide was based on showing players that certain gear helps you move on to certain parts of the game.

Yes to many level 99 players REM is worthless. But think about those saying its worthless. They are beyond Adoulin and playing in delve with Delve equipment.

You cannot expect every single player especially new or returning to have the ultimate skill and gear to be on the same level as those who are at the top. This was why I fought so hard to explain myself.

As for the Cure Potency gear I listed earlier, It was items that are not so difficult to obtain through Auction house.

My play style revolves around switching gear that people do no not see. Alot of times Ill switch waist, back, earrings, rings and people wonder why I am able to survive certain things all because they didnt even see my character blink.

A good example is when I switch over to -PDT set.

People here made a big deal over 1 weapon slot. I understand you. But you did not see the situation clearly. And I even explained it.

Not only does gear matter, things can change based on your team, if you are in a good team, you can tone down on max capped sets. If your team is not that well geared then you need to use capped sets. Especially for single things like Delve Plasm farming. Which is not T1-5 boss fights.

I was mostly offended that people think im a noob., Ive been playing since day 1. Took a break and came back and leveled 13 jobs to 99. Why? because i know you need other jobs to accomplish certain things and participate in certain areas. Otherwise playing 1 job will lead you to be left out on many occassions.

My guide should have proven to others that I know what Im talking about. I did list several basic parts that I wrote hand written on the knowledge i knew. Not copy it others work and present it as my own.

However the point was to train others how they can move past things that might have taken them ages to learn and get to the point.

[Daemon]

Some people went straight to posting gear sets. How does that help the person to get those items if they dont have the proper team and equipment to fight the bosses or participate in areas without having a good build?

This is the main reason behind me saying people shouldnt flat out say other content equipment is irrelevant. Because to those who are saying it, Sure it is to you, but not to those who are just finished leveling to 99 fresh out of abyssea..

Ive even wrote article pieces how certain gear with small details can help. Maybe THAT 1 item doesnt make a difference however if you collected enough pieces and add them up together, the outcome could be totally different than a person who did not have all those small details to put together.

Someone posted a link on End game gear sets. Well bravo, how the heck do you expect someone to earn Nahtirah Hat in AF3? Or with an Auction house weapon??

This was my points.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

It's your own faults for not quoting the guides. He can't delete quotes. lol

[Daemon]

It's your own faults for not quoting the guides. He can't delete quotes. lol

See i can respect you here, because you are not seriously attacking me with hatred, you are saying the truth in a joking manner. Which is cool. I like that.

[Tamoa]

I thought I was done with this thread, however I'd like to point something out: I too, never posted in this particular thread until you deleted it, naming me as one of the people who made you decide to delete it. I had no issues with your guide, in fact I'd barely looked at it because I have no need for a guide like the one you originally posted in this thread. I did however, have issues with some of your statements in the other thread that got locked, which is why I posted there. Was I as polite as I could about it? Probably not entirely, no - but a couple of your statements really did make me grit my teeth (and they still do, I will never understand why someone who's on a healing job a lot, would recommend having less than 50% cure potency - hell, ALL my mage jobs have 50% cure potency, even my gimp blm that I never use).

To those that found the guide originally posted in this thread to be useful, I apologize for causing the OP to remove it - however I had no idea my disagreeing with him in an entirely different thread would have such an effect.

And to you Daemon/Ultimas, I have one question: did it never occur to you that by doing what you did in this thread - deleting your posts and naming the people you blame it on - you'd be dragging the arguing out further? Yes, you deleted the names now, but that's kind of like shutting the barn door after the horse ran off...

Edit: since I just read the post above mine, I would also like to point out that I never once attacked you with hatred, as you put it. It was all a "omg you CANNOT be serious?!??"-kind of reaction from my side.

[Daemon]

As a Red mage, Im still working on myself because I like others put the job down when it became irrelevant in the majority of content. However I have AF2 Relic Body and Head +2 with Augments trial completed giving me +20 seconds more to Chainspell and enhances Dia III.

I have full Fast cast set, Enhancing over 500+, Enfeebling over 500+, -Pdt, Mab, Cure Potency, small details such as Zammzummin staff and Kaikas Cape for landing Gravity, Dark Magic set from Arc Lord, Crimson Fingers, for Stun/Blind, Small details items such as Sand Mantle Petrification: -20% PDT in case im fighting Pieste boss and blind goes off where Im petrified. Orvail set with Augments on each piece for accuracy, Refraction cape, Memph Grip for Enfeebling, Bowkus robe and Soothsayer staff rank 10+

Several grips in my main inventory to switch around.

I never said I am the best, but Im working on character just like others. If I could do T5 all day and gain all the best items or participate in Legion and collect the gears i needed but people tend to not understand that all of this takes time.

I know how to macro and switch to several gear sets, Had you all actually read my guide i was one of the main topics I discussed.

[Daemon]

I thought I was done with this thread, however I'd like to point something out: I too, never posted in this particular thread until you deleted it, naming me as one of the people who made you decide to delete it. I had no issues with your guide, in fact I'd barely looked at it because I have no need for a guide like the one you originally posted in this thread. I did however, have issues with some of your statements in the other thread that got locked, which is why I posted there. Was I as polite as I could about it? Probably not entirely, no - but a couple of your statements really did make me grit my teeth (and they still do, I will never understand why someone who's on a healing job a lot, would recommend having less than 50% cure potency - hell, ALL my mage jobs have 50% cure potency, even my gimp blm that I never use).

To those that found the guide originally posted in this thread to be useful, I apologize for causing the OP to remove it - however I had no idea my disagreeing with him in an entirely different thread would have such an effect.

And to you Daemon/Ultimas, I have one question: did it never occur to you that by doing what you did in this thread - deleting your posts and naming the people you blame it on - you'd be dragging the arguing out further? Yes, you deleted the names now, but that's kind of like shutting the barn door after the horse ran off...

Ok but here is where you and me got off on the wrong note. I respect other peoples opinion but you didnt respect mine but rather fought a good long fight trying to prove that im wrong for my decisions. You even tried to make me sound like others should not take me seriously. And most of the time I was spending my effort replying to you while dodging others who assumed I was talking to them. Now Im not saying i didnt make any mistakes with my words because im sure I did. But no where did I say i was giving pro advice. I was busy explaining myself to people like you questioning me.

[Tamoa]

Pssst - Blind is not dark magic, it's enfeebling magic.

[Daemon]

Pssst - Blind is not dark magic, it's enfeebling magic.

Blind

Spell cost: 5 MP
Spell element: Dark
Magic skill: Enfeebling Magic
Jobs:
Level 4 Black Mage
Level 8 Red Mage
Level 9 Puppetmaster Automaton Magic Skill 26‡

For some reason when Blind doesnt land, Ive had success when switching over to a combination of Dark + Enfeebling + Magic Accuracy + INT.

But if you say i am wrong ok. I know you don't gain Dark magic skill by using the spell. However since its dark element, I assumed it could contribute to helping the spell work,.

After all it is darkness proc in Voidwatch.

Red mage is known to have low skill in Dark magic.

[Karah]

So, Addle is a fire based nuke? Which uses elemental skill, since it's aligned with fire.

Stun must also follow this line of magic, as it's lightning based, it has to use elemental skill and not dark magic... *mind blown*

[Daemon]

So, Addle is a fire based nuke? Which uses elemental skill, since it's aligned with fire.

Well I really don't know as my addle has landed without issue. However...

Spell cost: 36 MP
Spell element: Fire
Magic skill: Enfeebling Magic
Jobs:
Red Mage Lv. 83
White Mage Lv. 93

Spell Element is fire, so I would assume Firestorm could help and since this spell is a WHM spell high MND with Magic Accuracy + Enfeebling magic could support in making the spell land better.

I cannot tell you as I have not had issue with Addle, However I spent so much time in WoE practicing different things, that With blind i did notice a difference.

[Daemon]

See its really nice that we can talk to each other, ask questions without pointing fingers at each other and try to prove who is right and who is wrong. This is really nice seriously.

[Daemon]

The only time that my spells had problem landing was on T5 Bosses like Kurma, But I do know how to solve that issue. With a combination of high end Magic accuracy, INT, or MND depending on the spell, and High Enfeebling 500+ Other jobs need to help support too, I know Geomancer has Magic Evasion down skill on mobs etc...

Yes that means you need the Delve earrings... forgot the name but i saw someone explain it somewhere that they were able to land the majority of enfeebling spells with the support of other jobs.

[Karah]

Stacking dark magic skill will TOTALLY help you land blind, I suggest you make a guide specifically showing all the dark magic skill+ gear you can get as some people might be completely oblivious to this fact...

[Daemon]

Stacking dark magic skill will TOTALLY help you land blind, I suggest you make a guide specifically showing all the dark magic skill+ gear you can get as some people might be completely oblivious to this fact...

Yeah but thats more for advance players like you and tomoa. I didnt want to touch such details without explaining the basics first. I mean there are so many ive seen that don't even use gear sets and some DDs dont even use Belt / Gorgets

[Daemon]

So, Addle is a fire based nuke? Which uses elemental skill, since it's aligned with fire.

Stun must also follow this line of magic, as it's lightning based, it has to use elemental skill and not dark magic... *mind blown*

Stun
Spell cost: 25 MP
Spell element: Lightning
Magic skill: Dark Magic
Jobs:
Dark Knight Level 37
Black Mage Level 45

Most likely the reason people equip Magian Thunder path stave.

[Daemon]

Ok here is a challenge for both Karah and Tomoa. I know you believe highly that Hvelgamir is worthless. But Seriously play some WoE and use it, Try it out because im sure you will be placed in situations where you run out of Temp items and MP. Even Convert will be downtime.

Carry a stack of Icarus Wings. I know there is 120 time limit but ignore that limitation for a second and just try it then maybe you will see why i fought so hard as to why this is not worthless.

Its small details that ive been trying to point out so in the end, when you do step up to the plate at T5 and beyond. Atleast you did not ignore every small detail that could allow you to have a bigger impact than the person who did not have these items.

If you die, then when you get back up, Cast Adloquium imediately and make sure you have Hvelgamir equipped. Then when you Unweaken check how much TP you have and if you need to use Wing, do it atleast for practice. Then you will see why i spend so much effort trying to tell others how good it can be.

The thing about strategy is knowing your limits, Knowing what the next plan could be through your available options. Thats why I never turn down options no matter what small detail there is.

One of the devs asked players for suggestions on items and how they should make new adjustments, forgot where the post is , but someone did request TP wings and other items to be reduced on limited use.

The way I think its not at the moment, but how you can prepare for the future in case it does happen.

Its a small request, but it doesnt hurt to try it.

Even shattersoul reduces Magic Defense. I sometimes throw that in at WoE when I see alot of magic casting jobs. It does make a small subtle difference that I can see, but others don't.

I did tell you before Ive done 13k damage on Megamaw Mikey as a Scholar DD.... Self skillchaining Darkness.. It because behind everything people cannot see is that I make use of small details that no one takes a closer look at.

Thats the thing about how Japanese and Koreans think. Its not about whats obvious, its about whats subtle in difference that if you are smart enough to look behind the golden nugget, a wise player is one who knows everything and not whats best.

[Demon6324236]

Ok here is a challenge for both Karah and Tomoa. I know you believe highly that Hvelgamir is worthless. But Seriously play some WoE and use it, Try it out because im sure you will be placed in situations where you run out of Temp items and MP. Even Convert will be downtime.

Carry a stack of Icarus Wings. I know there is 120 time limit but ignore that limitation for a second and just try it then maybe you will see why i fought so hard as to why this is not worthless.I think near the start of it, or at least parts I read, they seemed to say that if you used Wings it was good to have as a swap in tool, but just to idle in its never a good or viable option, especially given the extra time it takes to earn one vs earning an Owleyes. The staff has its uses, that's for sure, the only problem is how restricted they are, any content like Delve its not a good idea, but in VW or WoE, its by no means a bad option.

[Daemon]

One of the things i use to do was test out atmas and spells from WHM,BRD,Geo,Cor etc...

One example i tried using Earth resist, Magic defense bonus and INT atma and went to mikey with absolutely no gear on. Then i observed the damage and casted shell and barstone...

Another time I went as bard and instead i only used Earth Carol I & II, and Barstone with Shell.. Damage was reduced noticiably high.

Now here is why i pointed this out to you, I may not know numbers and statistics because i hate math, but I do know what works from experiance. I do tests like these. Ive fought Mikey so many times on so many jobs to see if I could solo it with any job. So far Ive been able to solo it on RUN,BRD (took godly forever),WHM,,BLM,RDM,BST.....

So this is how i came to writing my guide in the first place so I can be sure I didnt make any errors with my words. I might make some errors... I mean... I am human right? But I do try my best to be accurate as possible and double check, ask others opinion, before I make it official.

[Daemon]

I think near the start of it, or at least parts I read, they seemed to say that if you used Wings it was good to have as a swap in tool, but just to idle in its never a good or viable option, especially given the extra time it takes to earn one vs earning an Owleyes. The staff has its uses, that's for sure, the only problem is how restricted they are, any content like Delve its not a good idea, but in VW or WoE, its by no means a bad option.


It could be useful in Delve also remember that using Myrkr, you do not need to engage enemy from close range . You can engage from as far as you like and use the WS as long as you are engaged in battle with weapon out. Therefore during T5 bosses it can benefit anyone.

[Daemon]

I think near the start of it, or at least parts I read, they seemed to say that if you used Wings it was good to have as a swap in tool, but just to idle in its never a good or viable option, especially given the extra time it takes to earn one vs earning an Owleyes. The staff has its uses, that's for sure, the only problem is how restricted they are, any content like Delve its not a good idea, but in VW or WoE, its by no means a bad option.

Wouldnt Owl Eyes be dangerous?

Owleyes
(Club) All Races
DMG: 22 Delay: 217 Damage taken +10%
Adds "Refresh" effect
Lv. 80 WHM / BLM / SMN / SCH / GEO

Damage Per Second: 6.08
TP Per Hit: 5.8%

I know refresh is nice but need to becareful suggesting an item like this as +10% damage taken is a very reasonable risk to be aware of.

Personally I would never equip this in delve unless I was far away from battle where resting is a viable option.

[Daemon]

And yes I may repeat myself sometimes because I'm answering each reply accordingly. That way others reading won't get confused.

[Daemon]

One detail DJ. I can see Hvelgamir only being used in delve as a quick last resort for MP. Nice trick that can make a difference. If you gain 100% TP from Icarus Wing, you can gain 200+ mp back. I mean MP you didn't have. That's enough to raise 1 person or Accession + Regen V your entire group. Stoneskin? And if you Penury you can cast both Protect and Shell V on your team. I know 200 MP doesn't sound a lot but hey, that's the trick of knowing how to make use of every job ability the job comes with such as Penury.

Again if you died and got back up. Cast Adloquium so your TP is raising. By the time you unweaken that plus Icarus wing can make a difference. I said before You could gain 900-1k mp back if TP is at 300%.

Switch over to Cure Potency 50% Rapture /Accession and what you? A massive Curaga that the other Scholar in party could not provide after death because they did not have the option you had. Although I would never suggest this at weakened status as enmity could divert boss on to you and kill you. Therefore wasting another mages 150MP to raise you again. Best to wait for you to unweaken first before you decide this is a good option otherwise if you desperately need to in the wake of saving your team by risking your life, make sure to put stoneskin and blink up first.

You need to have every possible option that can help you no matter how small it is if you want to be better against T5 Bosses and beyond. It is why some players have not succeeded yet.

This is why I understood when the Devs said you may need to go back and work on your gear if you did not succeed.

[Daemon]

PS. If you feel like REM is worthless, you can donate all your Unbral Marrow, Riftcinder, Heavy Metal Plates, Alexandrites and all other trial goodies at P.O. box Phoenix Ultimas Room#1337 Port Jeuno.

I wouldn't mind making a Yagrush...

[Daemon]

And to you Daemon/Ultimas, I have one question: did it never occur to you that by doing what you did in this thread - deleting your posts and naming the people you blame it on - you'd be dragging the arguing out further?

To answer this question, if it got your attention so you could come here and fight it out til we both understood each other and fix the situation, to me it was worth it. Because I never disliked anyone in the list of names i put up. However I did want to drag on the conversation so we could sort out the issue rather than leave our debate and misunderstanding between us behind lock doors. Even if I had to go to extremes.

Apologies to those who were effected by this. And I will take the time to make things up to those who came here expecting to see a guide to help you.


Edit: since I just read the post above mine, I would also like to point out that I never once attacked you with hatred, as you put it. It was all a "omg you CANNOT be serious?!??"-kind of reaction from my side.

Lol... sometimes I say things that is not directly about you. Remember during the time I reply, theres like 3-5 people participating in the conversation with several questions or points that Im replying to. So please if you were offended then I truely apologize for the misunderstanding.

[Daemon]

And to Karah, I still think you are a cool person, although we went through a few rounds throughout a couple of posts, You never lost your cool and resorted to profanity or other ways beyond tolerance. Hope we can patch up our dispute and move forward with a new leaf.

Alot of the things said in the other thread was more likely to be misunderstanding, miscommunication and confusion. Hard to answer several at once, therefore lots of confusion from 1 reply. Thanks for be awesome though. And yes I am apologizing to you and everyone else if you were offended.

[Demon6324236]

It could be useful in Delve also remember that using Myrkr, you do not need to engage enemy from close range . You can engage from as far as you like and use the WS as long as you are engaged in battle with weapon out. Therefore during T5 bosses it can benefit anyone.But it doesn't, there is literally no explainable reason why this is better to do than to simply idle with an Owleyes, even if your MP is capped you can use the SCH JSE Club to make Sublimation cap faster, and if that is already capped, and your MP is capped, then yes, I guess it is a viable option, but if that's the case your not expending enough MP for it to matter anyways apparently. So all in all, what you are saying makes no statistical sense, even if you have hands on experience which says otherwise, mathematically it makes no sense man. Unless you can tell me something that I do not know or understand which changes this outcome?

[Demon6324236]

You need to have every possible option that can help you no matter how small it is if you want to be better against T5 Bosses and beyond. It is why some players have not succeeded yet.

This is why I understood when the Devs said you may need to go back and work on your gear if you did not succeed.To an extent I agree, however, at the same time the gear you are talking about seems to be gear of which is not as useful as you seem to try making it sound man.

[Daemon]

But it doesn't, there is literally no explainable reason why this is better to do than to simply idle with an Owleyes, even if your MP is capped you can use the SCH JSE Club to make Sublimation cap faster, and if that is already capped, and your MP is capped, then yes, I guess it is a viable option, but if that's the case your not expending enough MP for it to matter anyways apparently. So all in all, what you are saying makes no statistical sense, even if you have hands on experience which says otherwise, mathematically it makes no sense man. Unless you can tell me something that I do not know or understand which changes this outcome?

Death Scenario @ Any event, where SCH just died, has no mp, convert on countdown, helpless without any Vile elixer or other MP recovery items, just got up after being raised.

Ok now take your option and combine my option together, without owl eyes, you could still use other MP idle refresh gear + Adloquium while equipping Hvelgamir... (use AND have Sublimation on countdown) By the time you unweaken, not only will you have sublimation filled (assuming half the amount when weakened status), your TP should be high enough to use Myrkr, add on Icarus Wing and then you can gain a higher amount of MP back because of the extra boost in TP plus what you gained from Adloquium during the duration of waiting out weakness status just by engaging mob from far away and using WS Myrkr quickly.

What do you gain by sacrificing owl eyes? Well you elimate the risk of 10% damage taken from being hit in case boss goes awol, and you are trading 1 tick refresh for what could possibly give you 900-1k MP back.. How long does 1 tick refresh take to restore that much MP compared to 300% TP?

Does not Scholar earring enhance Sublimation? The tricky part about Sublimation is when you are weakened though. Meaning if you did it wrong you could gain as low as 8 MP back which is a disappointing failure in a tight situation as fighting T5 bosses. Especially when you are tight on time and need to do your utmost best to help your team.

And if you did have convert up, atleast this is an option to allow you to save Convert for later on in the battle. The point is you have an extra option worth getting.,

Do know Myrkr is decently fast. I know in some parties when I was tired, I use to make an excuse and say there is a delay.. (sorry if you were there when I said it =p but us mages has to have some white lie excuses to why we let you die. Seriously??? I was joking... ok Im not but i didnt let anyone die unless if was a bard who did not have -PDT gear pulling way too much on their plate to handle, in that case i did let you die on purpose...)

You could hit disengage during the time you are using Myrkr and the graphics go off, and after fountain of green goo spills over, quickly your character will disengage the same speed as if you engaged and disengaged normally.

Engage > Use Myrkr > Disengage > Done

In WoE I equip MAB Staff, When I get a dusty wing, I equip Hvelgamir, Pop Dusty Wing, Engage battle from far away, Use Myrkr, then Disengage and switch over to MAB staff again. Quick Simple and effectively worth it.

If you still don't understand what Im talking about I can show you in game in Abby or WoE.

PS. Bard comment i made about letting someone die on purpose, there is a good reason for that strategically. Why would i try to save someone who is doomed to die if I will gain hate and put my entire team at risk? Does not make sense to waste time trying if you know its an absolute outcome where you could end up dying yourself, wasting MP and wasting the entire alliance time. Where as 1 person dies, lose hate and mobs either retreat or disappear therefore you are only wasting MP to raise that 1 person.

[Daemon]

EMP Trial

Seriously, I did leave tips on how to breeze through EMP Trials before removing the info, if you have the drive and a lot of time on your hands to play several hours a day, you could accomplish this EMP trial in about 2 weeks.

For mage class you dont need level 99 on Hvelgamir, because the only benefit you are gaining is extra stats like DMG and MP on the staff itself and longer time on Aftermath which is totally useless in support sitation however could be different in Solo situations where you occ. deals double damage. Although, I am wondering if this would make an impact on SCH self skillchain as I have not tried it with Hvelgamir lolz... but you see the point.

EMP path might be way faster though.

Even if you find the EMP path worthless, atleast do the WoE path so if SE decides to surprise us with REM update and allow you to unlock the WS to use across all weapons, atleast you will be ready and it really does help from my opinion as soon as I can get others to realize what Im talking about.

[Demonicpagan]

If u did like my guide, please leave a comment. If I see enough people interested, I will put it back up in a new thread and continue to add more details. After all might as well spill out all secrets since I'm moving on. From adding more details to gil farming....


I liked the information you posted and would like to be educated more from your experience

[Legomike]

i would very much love to see this guide again even in a PM :)

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Dev team, Community representatives.. Now I'm starting to see what you are dealing with 24/7 everyday of the week.If only. The people WHO'S JOB IT IS TO READ AND RESPOND TO THESE FORUMS are rarely doing their jobs.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Bayld bodies are now only 16k.
Hands & Feet 10k.
Head & Legs 12k.

My friend who has pretty much only every done 15 suply runs in ceiz and enough farming to get a legs before has 13k. These'll be realy easy for people to get now. Level 100 btw.