will you leave XI for XIV or play both?

[DarkStoneDragon]

Just wondering how many people would drop XI for XIV? my Girlfriend and I will probably try to play both, but XI will most likely be the one we play most.

[Vil]

I posed this question to myself two years ago when XIV first launched. My scenario:

I played both in the beginning, but as I found XIV's layout to be more casual and easier to get into, I slowly started dwindling my time from XI. A few months later I stopped my XI sub because I simply couldn't justify dropping long hours to do stuff it took me less than an hour to do in XIV.

I don't want to say its "grass is greener" scenario, but after experiencing XIV's (and most MMO's of today) gameplay and all that, it was really hard to justify going back.

That's not to say I abandoned XI completely. I do reactivate every so often and play in bursts, such as now (been playing since Adoulin came out). Even when my sub is cancelled though, I do keep up with all the XI news and stuff that's announced (like the Distant Worlds XI concert last year...man I had such a good time ><).

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

I've tried playing both XI and XIV concurrently before, and in my opinion it's not practical. For me, doing so meant keeping tabs on two different circles of friends (i.e. linkshells), and so far the only way to do that is to be logged into both simultaneously.

[OmnysValefor]

FFXI's community isn't even bashful about the feeling that SE *wants* us to migrate {Over there}. Once upon a time, XI was the superior game and it took a lot of self-sabotage here and a lot of improvement over there for that to change, but it has.

Yeah, I'll be playing XIV.

[BST]

There can be only One, and its FFXIV or nothing!

[Lithera]

Wife and I will likely play both at least long enough to see Adoulins story to its conclusion depending partially on if FFXI players will still get the discount for carrying both subscriptions or if they cut ffxis sub cost.

[Merton9999]

XIV for me. After the beta experience, XI feels like I might as well be playing FF1 with a headset.

I haven't enjoyed XI's content since Abyssea, but I logged on frequently just to hang out with friends in a Final Fantasy World that live hundreds of miles from me. They're all switching as well.

If XI gets around to the new UI, new job abilities and such I'll probably resub for a bit to check them out. I've never been into alliance activities with big time commitments, but I do like to progress through full story content. If I can possibly complete the Adoulin story when it's finished with a few people without grinding item level 120 gear, I'd think about that too.

[Lithera]

Oh it won't require level 120 gear but you won't get into a shout group for it unless you have it...considering people want finished delve weapons just to plasm farm...

[Vizzer]

How many XI players have shouted that XIV is a WoW clone because the quest system was developed with a WoW style system in mind. The whole item level gear sounds a lot like gear score, so is it too soon to say XI is trying to become a WoW clone itself?

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

How many XI players have shouted that XIV is a WoW clone because the quest system was developed with a WoW style system in mind. The whole item level gear sounds a lot like gear score, so is it too soon to say XI is trying to become a WoW clone itself?

Nope. Seems like pretty good timing. Just be careful of the rage you're about to endure from people closing their eyes and flailing wildly because you brought up a valid point.

[Vizzer]

Nope. Seems like pretty good timing. Just be careful of the rage you're about to endure from people closing their eyes and flailing wildly because you brought up a valid point.
I'm fine with the rage, besides how can you take a community that prides itself on the complexity of the games battle system too seriously when the producer of the game has to make a post on the forums saying they need learn a little more about battle strategy than just spamming stuns.

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

I'm fine with the rage, besides how can you take a community that prides itself on the complexity of the games battle system too seriously when the producer of the game has to make a post on the forums saying they need learn a little more about battle strategy than just spamming stuns.

You sir... Have gained my thumbs up. I was just reading that earlier. "Less stunz, moar skillz."

[BST]

I am seeing double, you two look a like!

[Demon6324236]

And make valid points! Are you long lost twins?

[Dragoy]

I, for one, am not any more interested on X|V (as of latest ßeta run and everything in-between) than I was on the very first XIV αlpha version (1.0 or whatever you call it).

So no, I will not leave XI for X|V.

I guess it's fun for the 'masses', but I'm really not getting into it. Not that I'm getting into any games, and not that I'm praising XI for its awesome lack of support and content. I'm still playing only because of the friends I have there. However, I can say that when I first played XI, I was more interested in it than I have ever been in XIV/X|V.

I'm only jealous of them having more of Uematsu there!

Even so, I definitely would not be surprised if XI remained as the most—profitable—title—of—SqEX ever. It's not that I'm hoping for them to fail, even if I might think they deserved it for the lack of support and content in general while insisting on supporting PS2 and what not for at least half a decade too long...
FINAL FANTASY IX was pretty much the final FINAL FANTASY for me, even though I did play X to XII as well. It all simply started to go towards a direction I don't appreciate that much, and when Uematsu left the camp, there was even less reason for me to stay!

I also just might be old and grumpy that way.

It's probably something about rather having my imagination do the voice acting, and more, instead of the game doing it all for me. Yeah, I don't quite like the X|V character models; way too detailed! Ha hah!

I don't like hand-holding either, which seems to be one of the trends of today.


Perhaps I actually wish success for the new fourteen, as in to assist the eleven on the side as well, giving it more funds to swell! Of course that's very likely to not be what the future holds, but alas, it is a fun thing to imagine and mould!
Even if that did happen, and we'd actually get more funds and future in this camp, they'd likely take it towards a future which I would not appreciate much at all.

Such is life.

[BST]

I can remember reading about the announcement of FFXI and how it will be the first online FF game and thinking "oh my god NO!".
I had never played an online game, and we only had dial-up connection back in 2002(lol), but being a FFFan I just had to try it. I can remember making my character and after the intro I got dumped in Windurst Woods and all the text in the log from new players(I didn't know how to type in chat heh) like me, running around learning how stuff works, finally finding how to reply to tells, chatting to random people, joining a party and it was all new! (only read the back page of manual for reg key). It had an.. atmosphere to it, can I fight that monster? will it kill me? what if I die?! The world seemed so big and alive.

Now look at it, ugh.

[Dragoy]

BST,

It wasn't quite that magical for me, and this definitely isn't a case of nostaGlia that I am going through. More like a thing of preference, I maybe guess.

I didn't get to play XI until much later due to the difficulties to play it in the Europe. For one, it was not released until 2004. I did actually buy it back then already, even though I couldn't play it. I just wanted it in my collection (the 7-disc box with Chains of Promathia and Rise of the Zilart, and the art (http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/archive/8/81/20120806152408!FFXI-Amano_SelhPromathia_artwork.jpg) from the good old Yoshitaka Amano fits right in with the older titles). Ah, the times of physical packaging. Why yes, I am a fan.

I remember reading through the 152-page manual more than once, trying to imagine the game. xd

Anyblue, due to the payment options, I couldn't play until 2005 or 2006, where I had to rely on an electronic credit card (ePassporte). Still surprised that thing worked, and without massive extra fees!
Even so, I still couldn't really start until at around 2007 or so, and I didn't mind the looks then, so it's not likely for me to mind them now, or ever (I still play Commodore 64 games sometimes, so yeah, maybe I'm just that much of a fan of the old).

I'd definitely tweak things around, but I wouldn't make it a... well, X|V. ^^;

That is, and should remain as its own game.


Blubb!

[Alhanelem]

It's hard to leave the MMO you've been playing for years forever.

I'll very likely be poking my head in here and there for old time's sake. My sub is up soon and I'll probably wait to turn it back on until monstrosity PvP is available.

[Zepheron]

I have played with my son on this game for about 10 years now. We did every FF release since Nintendo together. Most of the friends we played with over the years have all gone. From what I see SE doing now with lackluster updates and very few improvements, as well as cutting resources from the 11 dev team, it seems unreasonable to keep paying for a main and 12 mules. Most of the goals I once had still require group effort to obtain. These days unless you are doing Delve farming it is almost impossible to get a large group to do anything. And if you do get a shout, or try to build your own you have to either have a delve set, or look for other people who do. ( I do have a complete delve gear set) This I find is exclusionary rather than inclusive to the player base. This is not what FFXI started out as, or what Japanese culture is!

We have discussed it together many times. 11 vs. 14 I was the hold out as I really enjoy the world of 11. These days when I log in I find it hard to do anything that is truly enjoyable. Friends and events I want to play with or do are no longer here.

My plan is this. Eliminate all the mules I have accept the cooking mule @ 105. Sell off all my stuff I have been saving for years and just play main with friends if they ever text me to come do something. Open up an account on 14 and give it a try with my son.

I am older now and really hate change. But to be honest I also miss adventuring and am ready to try something new that we could not get in 11. A developer that is excited about the game and wants to see people enjoy his creation. We cant get back what we had. We asked them to update and grow 11 while failing to realize they had tried and just replaced spaghetti code with more limp noodle code. If we want to have a better world to play in I think we will just have to go where the technology takes us.

There are a lot of good memories in 11. But rather than bang my head against the wall I think it may be time to move on. I play on PC, I have a PS3, so there is really no reason for me not to give 14 a shot.

My analogy is this. I loved starwars and startrek. The technology in Avatar opened up the door to a higher level of both visual and intellectual challenge in portraying a fantasy on film. Gaming is no different. SO 14 is the evolution of everything we asked for.

Hang me from a tree, burn me at the stake, doesn't matter. If you spent all that time in 11 to get R/M/E/D NNI, SAL, SKY, SEA, EIN, DYN then you are a gamer period. Starting over in another title isn't failing your loyalty or saying all that time is wasted. It just means you are starting fresh with a whole new world to explore. If you seriously are pissed off at something you worked for because they changed, or didn't let you keep upgrading it, then you look in the mirror and ask yourself why you invested so much time. Are you selfish? Spoiled? Stupid? I hope not. Then man/woman up and realize its a game, we are supposed to have fun. If you pay and still complain, then you are into self inflicted pain. I complain. I still pay. But I think its time for me to change that.

The only vote we have is with our wallets. I will reward good development and content and stop rewarding bad development and content. It has to be that simple. All we really have is our own time. I spent a lot of it in 11. Time to move on when they release 14 on a reliable platform that I can use. Until then Ill enjoy my friends and time on 11.

:)

[DarkStoneDragon]

My Girlfriend and I witnessed this first hand, people would play a online game and leave and say "When a big update comes we'll be back, but for now I'm done" and we were telling them "If you keep leaving and only coming back for updates/events, there wont be anything to come back to" well that game is dead due to those types of players, and my Girlfriend is in the beta and we haven't heard any NPC talking, the only game we've seen that in was GW2, so if you guys like FFXI and cancel your sub one day it may not be there to come back to, so that's why if we play XIV we'll be on both, but from what I've seen when she's playing, XI seems better IMO the battle mechanics seems kinda janky on XIV and the targeting system is messed up, but just keep in mind next time you cancel your XI sub what I mentioned in this post. Is there a link that someone can post where someone said XI needs more manpower?

[Kaisha]

After having played vanilla WoW & TERA, I decided to make it a rule to not play any MMO until it's had at least one expansion, just to ensure it's not a dying game (sup TERA), or buggy/lacking content to start (hi crashing WoW servers).

It also gives the game enough times for players to come up with a general consensus if this new MMO (not XIV, but new MMOs in general) is just another case of "grass is greener on the other side" or not, since beta perceptions always tend to get inflated, like it did with TERA for me, that was a really fun beta, until retail hit and you finished everything in two weeks.....

God damn, why did TERA's battle engine have to get wasted on TERA? XIV's feels so boring in comparison with its 2.5GCD.

[DarkStoneDragon]

I noticed when my Girlfriend was playing beta she was hitting buttons like I do while playing fighters (Street Fighter), this is how I feel, if I want to play a fast paced game like a fighter I'd play street fighter x tekken, not saying I dislike it, like I said I'll probably play both.

[Alerith]

I noticed when my Girlfriend was playing beta she was hitting buttons like I do while playing fighters (Street Fighter), this is how I feel, if I want to play a fast paced game like a fighter I'd play street fighter x tekken, not saying I dislike it, like I said I'll probably play both.

Not a reasonable comparison. Hitting buttons rapidly in an MMO does not make it akin to a side-action fighting game. That's like saying Galaga is like Street Fighter because you're constantly and rapidly pushing buttons.

[Edyth]

I'll play both.

[Merton9999]

...my Girlfriend is in the beta and we haven't heard any NPC talking, the only game we've seen that in was GW2, so if you guys like FFXI and cancel your sub one day it may not be there to come back to, so that's why if we play XIV we'll be on both, but from what I've seen when she's playing, XI seems better IMO the battle mechanics seems kinda janky on XIV and the targeting system is messed up, but just keep in mind next time you cancel your XI sub what I mentioned in this post. Is there a link that someone can post where someone said XI needs more manpower?

This past weekend I completed a quest in XIV that ended in a CS with lots of NPC voice acting. So it's there, even in the beta. It took a while for me to see it though. From what I read they are adding more for release.

Has your gf played with the targeting filters? They are highly customizable, and making a few simple tweaks made a huge difference for me.

[DarkStoneDragon]

This past weekend I completed a quest in XIV that ended in a CS with lots of NPC voice acting. So it's there, even in the beta. It took a while for me to see it though. From what I read they are adding more for release.

Has your gf played with the targeting filters? They are highly customizable, and making a few simple tweaks made a huge difference for me.

Does it have a combat system similar to XI to make it easy to multi-box? (as in 2 PC's 2 accounts) My Girlfriend hasn't had a chance to try it since she has only 1 account.

[sc4500]

This is the essay that yoshida ( was the guy that made aby for ff11) wrote to all us in the ff14 beta. And this why ff14 is going to be so nice for everyone since he is a mmo fan and played mmo's before. This may be one the best read for any Fans of MMO's , Ever written by a developer on there reason behind a game and a genre in general.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/388575/page/1

This square link.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Test/threads/53673-Design-Concepts-for-FINAL-FANTASY-XIV-A-Realm-Reborn

I do plan on playing ff11 some when ff14 comes out , but I feel once i get to harder content on ff14 . Then ff11 will be a back burner game.

[BST]

Does it have a combat system similar to XI to make it easy to multi-box? (as in 2 PC's 2 accounts) My Girlfriend hasn't had a chance to try it since she has only 1 account.
The game is designed so you don't need your own mule just to get stuff done.
Playing two characters in XIV is going to get you noticed in dungeons or parties. The duty finder makes teaming up not a problem, there isn't any out-in-the-field NMs. Why would you want to play two characters at once now?

The active combat which is now non-stop (yes there is auto-attack but not like FFXI) means you need to be doing combos, or moving around the target monster to get the best Damage, you can't just sit on auto-attack and press gear-swap and tp.


This is the essay that yoshida ( was the guy that made aby for ff11) wrote to all us in the ff14 beta.
And this is what the XI team lack, a director with true experience in MMOs, someone with a real passion to succeed and a face to the name.

[Vizzer]

This is the essay that yoshida ( was the guy that made aby for ff11) wrote to all us in the ff14 beta. And this why ff14 is going to be so nice for everyone since he is a mmo fan and played mmo's before. This may be one the best read for any Fans of MMO's , Ever written by a developer on there reason behind a game and a genre in general.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/388575/page/1

This square link.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Test/threads/53673-Design-Concepts-for-FINAL-FANTASY-XIV-A-Realm-Reborn

I do plan on playing ff11 some when ff14 comes out , but I feel once i get to harder content on ff14 . Then ff11 will be a back burner game.

I thought it was Tanaka that was the producer for abyssea, Yoshida worked on the Dragon Quest X. Still it's a great game, he has done wonders, and makes it a point to communicate to the community anywhere from posting on the forums, writing his letters from the producer, I have even seen him show up in the beta for XIV in his unique "Wandering Minstrel" gear to welcome everyone and thank them for participating.

[Vil]

Yoshida is truely a people person when it comes to keeping in touch with the community, which speaks volumes in terms of support. Like Kitty said, it puts a face to the name, instead of some mindless businessman miles and miles away.

I met him during one of the test phases, when he logged in to chat with the people. This was at around 5am my time, so of course, it was prime JP time. I was surrounded by JP players all crowding him and asking him all sorts of questions. I asked mine in the simplest English as I could, and guess what, he responded to me in English, even though he had all sorts of other questions flying by in JP. It made me feel included. It may seem like a small thing, but it speaks volumes about how inclusive he wants everyone to feel in this community, not just the JPs.

XI has broken free of Tanaka's brick wall, but I wish they could do more in terms of interacting with the fanbase like this.

[Kaisha]

XI has broken free of Tanaka's brick wall, but I wish they could do more in terms of interacting with the fanbase like this.
XI's had director interaction during its beta years ago, and in the past year and a half the NA Community reps have set up events on twitter and the test server, as well as the live-feed of SoA where they took some questions over the chat.

[Vil]

XI's had director interaction during its beta years ago, and in the past year and a half the NA Community reps have set up events on twitter and the test server, as well as the live-feed of SoA where they took some questions over the chat.

Yeah, that's the stuff I wish would happen more often lol. It's good that they've started doing those sorts of things though. Step in the right direction!

[BST]

The real difference this time around, is that the development team (XIV) watch and read many of the typical FF/Gaming websites (They have stated this) to see what people truly think of there work and how its progressing, everyone has an opinion these days and not all can agree on something.

As Vilhem said, Yoshi-P is a people person. Can you imagine if XI was to get someone like Yoshida behind the wheel?
Somebody to out right say enough, this has to happen if we want a future to expand the game, away from the chains that bind (DX8) it to PS2 quality. I am not sure though if I would want to return even if they rebuilt the engine like XIV, and maybe that's what others might think. I wouldn't need to return, because I have a character that is close to looking like my current XI one, just in a different realm, but the likeness is there. I don't miss anything from XI now.

[Moppet]

I would like to play both, but I likely can't afford both at the same time.

I'm disappointed that the discount for having a sub with both is no longer a thing.

I may be going with XIV even though I don't like the more casual design.

Mainly because I really like Yoshi-P's direction and his dedication towards communication and transparency.

It's totally possible that XIV will turn out like most other casual MMOs out there and I'll come back to XI.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I played both in the beginning, but as I found XIV's layout to be more casual and easier to get into, I slowly started dwindling my time from XI. A few months later I stopped my XI sub because I simply couldn't justify dropping long hours to do stuff it took me less than an hour to do in XIV.

I don't want to say its "grass is greener" scenario, but after experiencing XIV's (and most MMO's of today) gameplay and all that, it was really hard to justify going back.Sounds more like the allure of a silver platter, then grass is greener.

[Lithera]

There are outside NMs in XIV but they are part of the FATE system. When they do pop up it seems to be from X# of people have killed X# of the surrounding mobs. Though hopefully there is someone who can cure you're fighting these "NMs" or you're sol. Right now in the beta you can't use more than one account at least not on the PS3 version.

[Spectreman]

Fool me once, your fault, fool me twice my fault.

FF14 is a decent game now but still is nothing but another WoW clone. And all WoW clones died to become F2P forgotten games. I just ask for those who get bored and upset about FF14 don't come back to FF11.

[Vil]

Fool me once, your fault, fool me twice my fault.

FF14 is a decent game now but still is nothing but another WoW clone. And all WoW clones died to become F2P forgotten games. I just ask for those who get bored and upset about FF14 don't come back to FF11.

Here we go again with the "WoW Clone" lol. You obviously don't know what the standards for MMO's are now, or you wouldn't be throwing that useless comment around like it held any weight. You sound like an old man stuck in his old archaic ways of doing things. Hey, if you want to stick to XI, nobody's forcing you to leave, but don't spew crap like you really know what's going on. You just come off as a bitter fool who's not taking this change well.

There will never be another game like XI. It's jarring for those that have been on this game for years, but yes, the world outside did change, MMO's aren't what they were when XI/EQ/Ultima were released. The market has changed, the playerbase has come to expect different things than ten years ago.

It won't go F2P, as much as you'd enjoy seeing that. SE has the money to sustain it for awhile, unlike other companies that have to pay off investors quickly, and as such, have a quota they need to meet.

But go ahead and keep sticking your head in the sand in the vain attempt it'll fix the problems here.

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

Fool me once, your fault, fool me twice my fault.

FF14 is a decent game now but still is nothing but another WoW clone. And all WoW clones died to become F2P forgotten games. I just ask for those who get bored and upset about FF14 don't come back to FF11.

Hey, you're right! Look, I've already made a character of the new race, Forum Troll.

So, should I choose Alliance or Horde? Maybe a Tarutaru shadow priest? I know! A Galka Warlock!

Anyone starting in Stormwind with me? We can go do FFXIV Deadmines together!

Aside from minor similarities in the "feel" of the battle system, and the quest helper, XIV and WoW are completely different. Crafting is more intuitive. Never seen Fates or Leves in WoW. What else is different from WoW?

1. Races
2. Forename/Surname
3. Crafting
4. Fates
5. Leves
6. Story Line
7. Cities
8. Graphics
9. Battle system
10. Classes
11. Spells
12. Enemies
13....

You get the point. Or maybe you don't?

Also, it's "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Maybe if you could stop shaking your fists at kids stepping on your lawn while you reminisce of the "Good 'ole days" you could take the time to re-evaluate a statement before you make it.

[Vil]

Maybe if you could stop shaking your fists at kids stepping on your lawn while you reminisce of the "Good 'ole days" you could take the time to re-evaluate a statement before you make it.

This made me laugh pretty hard. Them young whipper snappers!

[Vizzer]

Fool me once, your fault, fool me twice my fault.

FF14 is a decent game now but still is nothing but another WoW clone. And all WoW clones died to become F2P forgotten games. I just ask for those who get bored and upset about FF14 don't come back to FF11.

Only if you promise, when you get tired of standing in Jeuno waiting for delve shouts, you don't come to XIV. You never know though, with the amazing adjustments and updates they are bombarding XI with, maybe soon they will expand the shout function, so you can stand around Selbina and wait for delve shouts.

[FrankReynolds]

I'll probably give FFXIV a shot, but I doubt I'll play it for very long and I feel somewhat conflicted about even doing that. Regardless of how great the director is or how different the direction is, the parent company is still the same. So when it comes down to it, Its still the same people.

The director can have all the great ideas in the world, but he still has to fit them into the budget handed down from up high. I'm sure that numerous people on the FFXI Development team would have loved to answer all our requests and to have been able to rebuild this game into a shining modern masterpiece of high res graphics, awesome story lines and user friendly controls too, but nothing get's done without corporate approval.

These people have crapped on their customers too many times. I just don't feel comfortable investing any serious time or money in anything from them again. I'm not gonna say never, but If FFXIV doesn't make women want me, increase my bank account ten fold and enhance my man parts, I probably will avoid SE titles entirely from this point on.

[Vil]

I'll probably give FFXIV a shot, but I doubt I'll play it for very long and I feel somewhat conflicted about even doing that. Regardless of how great the director is or how different the direction is, the parent company is still the same. So when it comes down to it, Its still the same people.

The director can have all the great ideas in the world, but he still has to fit them into the budget handed down from up high. I'm sure that numerous people on the FFXI Development team would have loved to answer all our requests and to have been able to rebuild this game into a shining modern masterpiece of high res graphics, awesome story lines and user friendly controls too, but nothing get's done without corporate approval.

These people have crapped on their customers too many times. I just don't feel comfortable investing any serious time or money in anything from them again. I'm not gonna say never, but If FFXIV doesn't make women want me, increase my bank account ten fold and enhance my man parts, I probably will avoid SE titles entirely from this point on.

I wouldn't even mind if they never updated the graphics. I'd just like to see some kind of basic functionality update (like user-friendly UI), easier transition into the game for new players, and more helpful things ingame that don't leave you poking around in the dark.

[hideka]

Just wondering how many people would drop XI for XIV? my Girlfriend and I will probably try to play both, but XI will most likely be the one we play most.

dropped 11 after one day of playing the XIV beta. that game makes this game look like runescape.

[Alerith]

Fool me once, your fault, fool me twice my fault.

FF14 is a decent game now but still is nothing but another WoW clone. And all WoW clones died to become F2P forgotten games. I just ask for those who get bored and upset about FF14 don't come back to FF11.

Everyone please take note. This is what a Bandwagon Hater post looks like.

[Vladislav]

Will do as did since 1.0 - FFXI update/new stuff = i play FFXI , FFXIV update/new stuff = i play FFXIV. Well doing like that i was missed some things in both games , like once i back after 3 month of XIV to XI and 90-95 Limit break was already to pretty hard to find ppl's , same in XIV popped to late when all already did Avulum Vale (i hope i spelled it right lmao) so i was long time no have chance to particiate it ; ;
That 's really bad when 2 games u very like going same time D: and u have to choose .

[Tanama]

Just wondering how many people would drop XI for XIV? my Girlfriend and I will probably try to play both, but XI will most likely be the one we play most.
I will more than likely do that. FFXI being my main game with FFXIV being a more casual experience.

[Babygyrl]

all depends on how much time We will end up having at the time.. and cost incentives for those who did not get take advantage of it 1.0 because it sucked! lol

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

This made me laugh pretty hard. Them young whipper snappers!

GIT OFF MAH LAWNZ!

[Anjou]

XIV all the way but hey I have every right to go back to XI when I see fit :P

[Siviard]

I, sadly, have no choice. I have to stay with 11.

My PC failed the benchmark, and my PS3 hard drive can't hold the whole game (20g HD) and my other games that I've downloaded.

[Lawliett]

I've been tossing this question around in my head for quite awhile now. Honestly while I'm not happy with ALL the changes X|V has made, I'm very happy with most of them, and the game is on the path to a much brighter future. I've been playing XI for 10 years and slowly I've watched the community dwindle down to almost nothing, what most people see today at a consistent 1000+ players online as being "A lot", a few years back I remember that number being 3000-5000 every day. The content isn't being brought out in a reasonable time frame, much was promised to us years ago and continues to be pushed back. And (for me) this expansion was a very big let down.

I love XI very much, I got this game for my 13th Birthday and now I'm 23, I have so many fond and fun memories from here and I'll always appreciate everything that this game was. That being said, It's time to move on for me, my sub expires today (actually any time now) and I'll be eagerly awaiting the release of XIV. If any of you guys are on Hyperion Server hit me up, my character is Overlord Pofo, I'll be the sexy Lalafell with the Stardust Rod<3

Good luck to all of you who stay and I hope XI moves toward a better and brighter future! :)

[Mostfowl]

Fool me once, your fault, fool me twice my fault.

FF14 is a decent game now but still is nothing but another WoW clone. And all WoW clones died to become F2P forgotten games. I just ask for those who get bored and upset about FF14 don't come back to FF11.

I love it when ppl use this argument. "FFXI is better because it is its own game and not a WoW clone"

Sorry FFXI is an EQ clone and that is well documented and even admitted by se.

Also anyone who spouts babble about arr being a WoW clone has not done a thing other than look at a couple screen captures and saw a hot bar and quest list. This argument is moot.

Anyway back to the subject at hand. Yes I will be leaving XI for good once XIV is released. Even if XIV is a bomb (and I really do not think it will be) XI has fallen into such chaos that its just not fun anymore so why come back? I would just look to other titles or play single player games. But I have faith in YoshiP and crew and since Matsui was part of that team maybe he learned a trick or two, who knows

[Mostfowl]

all depends on how much time We will end up having at the time.. and cost incentives for those who did not get take advantage of it 1.0 because it sucked! lol

I have no idea what you just said lol

[Vizzer]

But I have faith in YoshiP and crew and since Matsui was part of that team maybe he learned a trick or two, who knows
He has already posted one of the first things he plans on doing is working to narrow the gap between long time players and newer players, he realizes that it is near impossible to get caught up gear wise in this game, and has plans to make it to where you can get gear that isn't as good as the end game stuff, but good enough to get you into the end game events without it taking you months and alot of people helping. Now all that is left is seeing if the long term community will accept this, or if they will stay in their, if you don't have what we already have then we don't want to have anything to do with you attitude. Right now the producers seem to have a well thought out plan of which direction they are going to try to keep this game alive, as long as they keep up their end, it falls onto the community to keep it alive.

[Duelle]

Nope. Seems like pretty good timing. Just be careful of the rage you're about to endure from people closing their eyes and flailing wildly because you brought up a valid point.Well, in fairness XI is using item level to differentiate player power levels without raising the level cap (because they already raised it as far as it would go).

Gear Score is not necessarily bad if you remember WHY it was created in the first place. GS came about when vehicles were implemented in WoW and was a way to determine vehicle stat scaling (it wasn't exactly official, either; players datamined info including gear item level and created the addon that gave you a score based on your average ilevel). It was purely created to help raid leaders determine who to put in vehicles during raid events like the Siege of Ulduar. People went and took something that had a quasi-noble purpose and turned it into an e-peen contest like everything else.

[Demon6324236]

I have no idea what you just said lolDepends on how much time each person has at the time, if people have enough time I am sure quite a few would play both, but if people are limited, they will choose the one they think better. Also the cost incentives have something to do with it, for instance, the original had a price cut if you played both games, ARR does not have that benefit so far as I know, and for those who did not play the original the game costs more monthly I think as well, which means overall it is costing you more money.

[Runespider]

You can't really play 2 sub mmos, one will kill the other.

Either everyone will hate XIV and go back to XI/some other game or they will like XIV and it will kill XI.

For me I've decided to not do what SE wants me to do, so I won't be playing XIV and I won't be playing XI much longer either.

I moved to Tera and I'm pretty happy with it, new expansion coming soon so I'm set with that. If they put more effort into XI I would play it casually but they are just killing it off.

[Dragomair]

FFXI. FFXIV isn't even an option for any serious gamer.
I'll keep playing FFXI, and likely Rift.

[Anjou]

I'd have to say XIV because my friends are moving and from what I've seen, read, watched, etc: this game is worth an honest try. I just need to save up money for a new power supply to get my main pc back up and running.

[FrankReynolds]

It will be interesting to see if FFXIV actually kills this game. For years we've heard "You can't kill PS2 support! Everyone plays on PS2!". Or "I can't afford a computer to play FFXI on!" or "I shouldn't have to buy a computer to play FFXI!".

Seems to me that if any of those people were telling the truth (I personally think they are full of crap) then the game should be just fine because it has a captive audience. We'll see...

[Alerith]

FFXI. FFXIV isn't even an option for any serious gamer.
I'll keep playing FFXI, and likely Rift.

That's a lovely opinion.

[Catmato]

How about neither? There's an old saying. Fool me once...

Edit:

Fool me once, your fault, fool me twice my fault.
Sorry, to copy you. I didn't read the whole thread.

[Merton9999]

How about neither? There's an old saying. Fool me once...

I hated FFX. First Final Fantasy I didn't like. I'm really glad I didn't give up on the company after that, though. I enjoyed XI, XII, XIII and XIII-2 very much.

I get that MMOs are different though. People get attached, feel they worked hard to get things, then cheated or something. If XI made me feel stuck I can see being cautious about the next SE MMO. Thankfully, though, taking a break from the game has never been any more than clicking the cancel button and buying a new game for me. It will be just as easy to do that in XIV.

[Hayward]

FFXI. FFXIV isn't even an option for any serious gamer.
I'll keep playing FFXI, and likely Rift.

Translation: FFXIV doesn't cater to no-lifers, cheaters, or elitists.

[Mirage]

I'll play both if I get a discount for doing so. Both games for 20% less than it normally would be, and I'm probably in. If not, I'll probably stick to just one of them after a while.

In fact, I think that discounts even for multiple FFXI accounts within the same SE account could drive the total account number up, but that's a different topic.

[Zehira]

As I have considered, I realized that most of players in XI are going to after the best gears in the game and I still have a lot of stuff I need to finish before I can able to do most of things. I can't do Dynamis - Beaucedine and Xarcabard until I have to complete the first four cities which nobody wants to do it anymore. Since my friends are going to play XIV and XI will be the game I play just for the stories.

[Umisame]

FFXIV, i want to play summoner in eorzea!

[Naraku_Diabolos]

I've given up on FFXI awhile ago. My character is rotting away for good now. I've moved on to FFXIV: ARR now and I could not be any more happier. Plus having Legacy status ROCKS (I can make up to 40 characters :D). The content is more fresh in ARR than what's in FFXI. In FFXI, I feel like I'm playing an N64 game, mainly Zelda: Ocarina of Time. It's so outdated. I mean, there are NO shadows casted off buildings or walls. Even trees have no shadows! The only shadows I see are from other players, NPCs, and monsters. I'd wish there was some way they could beef up the graphics a bit more on FFXI so it would look better... :(

[Vil]

Honestly, XI's graphics don't bother me. I mean, they are what makes the game in a weird sense. What bothers me is the years worth of band-aid fixes catching up to them, and their lack of action in going back and fixing stuff (rdm, smn, inventory, etc), and their stubbornness to hang on to the ps2, which limits expanding the game.

[Demon6324236]

Plus having Legacy status ROCKS (I can make up to 40 characters :D).What do you get with Legacy stats in all anyways?

[Crusader81]

I think the answer is pretty clear.

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[Spectreman]

Indeed, that hotbar shows pretty much everything about how boring this game will be after 2 months. WoW combat system ftl.

[Vil]

Indeed, that hotbar shows pretty much everything about how boring this game will be after 2 months. WoW combat system ftl.

u mad brah? Default response: "OMG WOW CLONE LELZ XI IZ UNIQUE GAME" screams bitterness.

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

Indeed, that hotbar shows pretty much everything about how boring this game will be after 2 months. WoW combat system ftl.

Right, each Icon in the hotbar shows every zone, quest, dungeon, craft, event, fate, leve, guildhest, pvp battle, and any future update ever imagined all in one little 16 panel grid.

Your post shows pretty much everything about how biased you are between FFXI and FFXIV. Because selecting actions from a list is the newest, most unique battle system ever!

Target enemy > press attack > wait for it > wait for it> wait for it > wait for it > grab a drink and a smoke > wait for it > grab a bite to eat > wait for it > take a nap > wait for it > ZOMG 100% TP! LOLFASTBLADE!

Such an exciting combat system. I'm convinced, let me go ahead and re-up my FFXI subscription.

[BST]

u mad brah? Default response: "OMG WOW CLONE LELZ XI IZ UNIQUE GAME" screams bitterness.

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Copyright (C) 2010 - 2013 SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD. All Rights Reserved.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

It's SE own fault for being endlessly unoriginal. The could have easly use FFXI's control sceme, made it so you can type after using ctrl+S+T+R+L(whatever) and put jump on space. The controls would have been infinintely more accurate.

Also, legacy characters should be whiped. Keeping them is only going to foster the same 1%'er community that's already destroying XI's player base.

[Mostfowl]

What do you get with Legacy stats in all anyways?

Reduced month fee for life ($9.99 a month) and up to 40 characters at no additional fee. A special chocobo mount and our names in the credits. Nothing too incredibly major but ppl are really upset about not getting Legacy even though the requirements were repeated over and over again for months. These are the same ppl who either want Legacy even though they did not meet the requirements or want our data wiped. Seriously have no idea what the big deal is over a choco and $3 a month. They are also sequestering Legacy members to certain servers so new and fresh start players will be on an even playing field at launch.

Everyone who played 1.x regardless of whether they are legacy or not will also retain all of their inventory (minus items such as arrows or other items no longer in the game), levels and 10% of their gil.

[Vil]

It's SE own fault for being endlessly unoriginal. The could have easly use FFXI's control sceme, made it so you can type after using ctrl+S+T+R+L(whatever) and put jump on space. The controls would have been infinintely more accurate.

Also, legacy characters should be whiped. Keeping them is only going to foster the same 1%'er community that's already destroying XI's player base.

I disagree. New players have the option of starting on New or Legacy servers, whereas Legacy characters can only transfer between Legacy servers and not to new ones. If new players are worried about the end gamers manipulating the economy, they simply start on a new server where everyone is on an even playing field.

It all works out no matter what side of the fence you're playing from.

[FrankReynolds]

I disagree. New players have the option of starting on New or Legacy servers, whereas Legacy characters can only transfer between Legacy servers and not to new ones. If new players are worried about the end gamers manipulating the economy, they simply start on a new server where everyone is on an even playing field.

It all works out no matter what side of the fence you're playing from.

I'm not one one side of the fence or the other. The whole situation reeks of SE retardedness.

[Demon6324236]

Reduced month fee for life ($9.99 a month) and up to 40 characters at no additional fee. A special chocobo mount and our names in the credits. Nothing too incredibly major but ppl are really upset about not getting Legacy even though the requirements were repeated over and over again for months. These are the same ppl who either want Legacy even though they did not meet the requirements or want our data wiped. Seriously have no idea what the big deal is over a choco and $3 a month. They are also sequestering Legacy members to certain servers so new and fresh start players will be on an even playing field at launch.

Everyone who played 1.x regardless of whether they are legacy or not will also retain all of their inventory (minus items such as arrows or other items no longer in the game), levels and 10% of their gil.I can understand complaints, at the same time, it seems like nothing kept is to major for me to get worked up about personally. I do think that the discount thing could be annoying after some time, because I feel like you deserve a veterancy price on any MMO after a time, paying the same price for this game after a decade seems stupid to me, but either way.

[BST]

Though, what is it with people that think they need something because others have it, and it was a limited time offer to spark interest in the future of FFXIV. At the end of the day, your paying a company for access to a service and the data you create belongs to them, they can do what they want with it and can terminate service as they see fit.

[Demon6324236]

Though, what is it with people that think they need something because others have it, and it was a limited time offer to spark interest in the future of FFXIV.Limited time offers are often things to suck money out of people for things in game, which is often thought to be just another way for companies to make more money off something intentionally left out of the game for others, which annoys people. Kinda like that weapon for Mass Effect 3 I never got access to, something valuable from my arsenal of things to use, that was forever lost just because I did not want to buy the game from Gamestop, but rather, bought it at Best Buy. I have no problem with things in games being limited to people for a limited time, that is fine, but to be a truly limited offer meaning that if you do not get it in a limited time or in a limited way that you may never receive it, that annoys me.

[Crusader81]

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My BF started playing XIV very skeptical, he played WoW and hated it, played XI and hated it.

Now he can't stop talking about XIV. He's seriously as obsessed as most of the 920,000 BETA testers. The vast majority thoroughly enjoying the game, telling SE to "take their money"
Yes, almost 1 million testers and not even in an open BETA. So for those thinking XIV isn't the new hot thing that you're going to be hearing about for many years you can think again.

I'll be in the Crystal Tower & Bahamut's Labyrinth:
http://youtu.be/h542YbZuwkQ

and BTW, I've done up to all the level 32 Dungeons in XIV, all 7 of them, and there's already more strategy in each fight than in XI, or WoW combined, and level 15-45 dungeons are still considered beginner dungeons.

In one of the 15 dungeons, you have to push a level to spawn a bomb, then drag it over a slime and make it explode, but if you stay in range when it blows it does 9999 dmg, each time the bomb explodes on the slime it splits until you have 8 small ones which you can then sleep> kill.

That's the 1st mini-boss in the 1st dungeon in game, I got to 90 on WoW and never saw something like that.
So WoW clone= No way

[DarkStoneDragon]

I remember reading that "legendary member will be charged $9.99 for the time they payed XIV" so when legendary members start paying full price, how many will stay?

[Alpheus]

Legacy members get a lifetime discount.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

So WoW clone= No wayCombat system dude. Combat system. Flavor dose not aply.

One of the things that bothers me the most about FFXIV is the claims. I'm minding my own business fighting something and some random ass dude wanders by and kills it.

[BST]

Combat system dude. Combat system. Flavor dose not aply.

One of the things that bothers me the most about FFXIV is the claims. I'm minding my own business fighting something and some random ass dude wanders by and kills it.
Why would that bother you though, when only the claimer and there party members will get any loot, and you all get exp.
Better that all get credit for monsters killed than sit and watch one player kill, then wait for re-spawn and fight to claim.


I remember reading that "legendary member will be charged $9.99 for the time they payed XIV" so when legendary members start paying full price, how many will stay?
As mentioned, the Legacy member price is $9.99 for life.
Also, you get 40 character slots with eight characters per server for that 9.99.

[Glamdring]

XI only, I gave XIV a chance, it sucked, they are redoing it.they could have redone the GOOD game, but nope...

[Demon6324236]

XI only, I gave XIV a chance, it sucked, they are redoing it.they could have redone the GOOD game, but nope...A quote for you.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

After all, FFXI was not broken at the time, why fix it?

Instead, they rebuilt the game which did fail due to the people in charge messing it up, and now, it looks like a good and promising game, I have no doubt there are many others like yourself, but in my opinion, at least play the beta or something free of it if you can, try it out, what do you have to lose but a little time? On the other hand, what do you have to gain if it is a good game, and FFXI dies? A new home, with potentially many of the friends you once knew on here, or another world of Final Fantasy in which to dive into and experience with people all around the world. In my opinion, the gain far outweighs the risks involved.

[BST]

XI only, I gave XIV a chance, it sucked, they are redoing it.they could have redone the GOOD game, but nope...

You didn't give it a chance because its not a game demo, its in beta. It isn't the final product with all content included with eleven years of updates to compare it to XI & WoW and Co.
Did you know they have plans to include new content? PvP? possible new races? more character creation options? new areas? Swimming underwater? expansion packs? DX11 client with HD textures and revamped lighting? don't forget the Chinese servers.. its just the beta!

And lets not use the old version of XIV as an example since service ended last year, its dead.

[Kaeviathan]

Hello, my FFXI name is Kaeviathan and i'm an FFXI addict. I'm 26 years and I've been playing this game for more than 7 (probably 8) years now in the cerberus server. I enjoyed my time playing this game, i had the pleasure to switch pleasantries with many players from different parts of the world. Though recently things became different since abyssea came out, the aspect of a social game has changed. It's become more of "I got what i needed, so ima get the %#*! out. Good luck!" attitude. FFXI is the first and only MMORPG i played so far, and i plan to keep it that way, ONLY MMORPG. For atleast the first 5 years of playing this game, i had no self control whatsoever as to play this game or not. Automatically the first things i do when i got home was to turn on my laptop and start playing. There were nights that i would ditch hanging out with friends, and instead preferred to make progress in the game. I also ditched alot of classes lol. But good thing that It's a little different now. I am older and in the process in getting my priorities straight (studying to obtain a career as a public accountant). I am studying way more, and less FFXI. My grades and my study habbits has changed dramatically (I'm a smart muther#^>£! Hahaha). So as to the question if I plan to leave FFXI over for FFXIV, the answer is no. Don't get me wrong, I would looove to play this game, but past experience has taught me that this will consume a huge chunk of my life, not all, but still noticeable. And especially now since I feel very comfortable on the direction which my career path is leading. So me choosing not to play FFXIV is all about self control. I can't risk getting hooked to another MMORPG, especially now ><.

[Vil]

Smart choice lol. Should always take care of your rl priorities first.

Though I am happy to say, XIV is nowhere near the time sink XI is in terms of getting things done, which is why it appealed to me (I'm 32 years old, so yeah, nowhere near the time I had when I played XI from 2003-2010).

When I played XI, it was always "ugh I need to quit, but I know if I quit now I'll have to spend all this time joining an ally and coming out here to farm" etc. It was hard for me to pull away, or just go afk and not feel like I have to be checking my game every 5 min to see if anything changed.

With XIV, I can leave my pc, conscience free xD If I only have an hr or so to play, I'll log in, go do some levequests for exp, or craft a couple of things and throw them on my mule/retainer for monies, and that's that.

[Rekin]

Going to FFXIV for now, has a lot of appeal to me. I may return to FFXI in the future once the dust has settled a bit... assuming my friends are even around. Either way SE has my money.

[kewitt]

I've been playing FFXI for close to 8 years. Met my hubby in Windy 7 years ago.
FFXI will always have a place but I log in and find nothing I'm interested in doing.

We tried Wow, DnD, and a few others always keeping FFXI payment going and coming back to..

Last week my hubby for the 1st time said he would be willing to leave FFXI behind. I was shocked and happy, I like FFXI but I don't think they have any clue what they are doing. On one hand they come out with content that makes everything easy.. then they come out with content that no one can 1% can do... then change.

[Omegablue]

I've written off SE, I'll play through to the last stories of FFXI but they got tossed into the EA's EABODADIAF pile along with the XBone and NAMCO (R.I.P. ACE WOMBAT).

They ran the FF, DQ, and other properties series steadily into the ground. They got my pocket book on this, but no more. They broke the trust and clearly have no right to earn it back.

[Glamdring]

A quote for you.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

After all, FFXI was not broken at the time, why fix it?

Instead, they rebuilt the game which did fail due to the people in charge messing it up, and now, it looks like a good and promising game, I have no doubt there are many others like yourself, but in my opinion, at least play the beta or something free of it if you can, try it out, what do you have to lose but a little time? On the other hand, what do you have to gain if it is a good game, and FFXI dies? A new home, with potentially many of the friends you once knew on here, or another world of Final Fantasy in which to dive into and experience with people all around the world. In my opinion, the gain far outweighs the risks involved.

agree with most of your points-except the 1st one. XI is a great product (a loyal player base after 11 years is testimony to that), but it IS broken. and no, I'm not talking about all the whining about this job or that job or this piece of gear; I'm talking about its incompatibility with modern hardware and software. It is broken if you can't use it on equipment! I'm trying to repair one of my old computers so I still have a machine that can run this without the random game freezes every 40-120 minutes since my current gaming PC (which is nonetheless 4 years old itself) is too modern to run it.

[Glamdring]

And lets not use the old version of XIV as an example since service ended last year, its dead.

then call it XVI or something, if they are still calling it XIV then it is still based on that piece of trash that was so bad they killed it themselves

[Mostfowl]

then call it XVI or something, if they are still calling it XIV then it is still based on that piece of trash that was so bad they killed it themselves

Same world (albeit different landscapes since it was, literally, blown up), same NPCs, yada yada yada. XVI would mean an entirely different game, world, story, etc etc. ARR is basically XIV part 2 since the devs, instead of shutting it down and rebooting it, made the changes by creating an intricate story about the whys and the whos. A very very smart way of doing it imo, and one that created a lot of loyalty from those of us who stay and played it through and well beyond final save until the very end when our screens went black and that fantastic "end of an era" scene played for the first time, making even the most manly man or in your ls, cry. Why? Because even though the game was awful, the devs made us love our world much like many ppl love vana'diel (whether they will admit it or not).

Think of it like ffvi pre-destruction and post-destruction of the world. One game, one story.

Whether you like to admit it or not, the new devs took that trash they were given and slowly made it into something wonderful. SE has good people on their team who can tell a good story. You just cant be so stubborn that you miss out. And if you are and do, well then, that loss is your own.

[Demon6324236]

ARR is basically FFXIV-2 in a sense. SE never makes 2 FF games share the story, never has happened so far as I know if they were both numbered games, sure some other ones have like tactics and such I think, but no numbered FF game has shared a story with another number except potentially FFVII and FFX. So to name FFXIV as FFXVI would make no sense from the series standards seeing as it takes place in the same world and is basically a continuation of the first games story, just without the same gameplay, think of it like FFXIII in that respect, where the second was much better than the first, even if they share the number and world.

[Crusader81]

I'm trying to repair one of my old computers so I still have a machine that can run this without the random game freezes every 40-120 minutes since my current gaming PC (which is nonetheless 4 years old itself) is too modern to run it.

I have a custom PC I built for XIV that can easily play that game on the highest settings (8,400 Benchmark, max settings)
I can play XI just fine maxed, but you should know there's a graphics card glitch with the game where you can't have weather+shadows on at the same time or it'll randomly go black.

FFXI is a very old game, it hasn't aged well at all.. And after playing on the North American FFXIV servers I'll never play on a JP server again.. the latency is gone, everything is super fast.

XIV was also built on PC and ported to PS3, so the core system will have none of the XI limitations.


People need to stop looking at SE through the Eyes of early XI. They made plenty of mistakes in their first MMO (XI) but I have to get them 110% for learning their lessons in XIV: A Realm Reborn. Yoshi has litereally personally addressed every single issue I can possibly think of. The post he made last week took me about an hour to read, it was literally a novel detailing why, how and what they addressed, in XIV. No company anywhere is doing what they are doing in XIV.

[xiozen]

I will probably cancel my FFXI account (after 11 years of non-stop subscribing) and start anew with FFXIV: ARR. Initially I purchased the Collector's Edition 1.0 version of FFXIV; now that I can have the Collector's Edition of ARR with all of the nice little bonus items, I'll be spending all of my time exploring the new game. So until I have a reason, (if I have a reason), I won't be reactivating my FFXI account once FFXIV: ARR goes live.

[Vil]

You mad, bro? It's not my fault I didn't keep my subscription active so I did not get Legacy. You did that, not me (if you played the game; so I gots Legacy, haterz). I ought to make my own FFXIV: ARR T-shirt that says, "I'm a Legacy Player, {Bio} {Tachi}s!"

Quit that, no need to behave this way towards him. Misinformed he may be, but comments like these are what gets threads locked :/

[Ilpalazzo]

I already have my CE ordered so I'll probably play both. Depending on how much I like 14 though (never played 1.0 rig wasn't good enough at the time) I may grind a few months on it before going back to 11. Either way I'll probably just play 14 with a far more relaxed mind set and I thank it for that.

[Vil]

I already have my CE ordered so I'll probably play both. Depending on how much I like 14 though (never played 1.0 rig wasn't good enough at the time) I may grind a few months on it before going back to 11. Either way I'll probably just play 14 with a far more relaxed mind set and I thank it for that.

You needed a PC from like NASA or something to run 1.0 good xD Mine did okay, but my room was always really hot. @.@

I hear you about the more relaxed mindset, though. Even with 1.0, it was almost like a godsend. I love XI, I really do... but jeez it just takes too damn long to do anything. After playing a few months of XIV, it was hard for me to justify doing things in XI.

I always keep my account active though, and pop in from time to time, though I mostly do crafting and the odd Abyssea farm. Nothing major anymore.

[BST]

Beta starts in less than 24 hours!
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[Daemon]

Japan, one of the greatest, most beautiful cities in the entire world. I sometime blamed my mom for not giving birth to me in Tokyo. Why she couldn't take a vacation when it's only a 2 hour flight from Korea D: im sure if she was in midair in between the two countries and had me, I coulda had a choice.

Oh yeah OP I'm gone in a heartbeat. Just think this community is lacking too much. Need more positive than negatives. 14 will be fresh with new people starting on the same level as everyone so there won't be any critiscm on whose better than the other or whose gear is the best.

No more skipping content, leveling fast and expecting others to do it or screw it.

And atleast nothing will be worthless.

Oh and I'm sure there won't be any tired players who have been playing so long that just doesn't care about anyone else anymore.

(By the way don't take offense as its only an opinion and nothing is fact, I'm not directing my comment to anyone so don't take it personal if you think I am. This does not apply to you unless you fit the description.)

[Crusader81]

Well.. this is now the number one thing in my opinion that seals the deal between the games. The Duty Finder video. Maybe they'll implement something like this for XI, but I have a feeling the PS2 limitations it won't work.

http://youtu.be/QIBPqZ0rNQ8

[Naraku_Diabolos]

Quit that, no need to behave this way towards him. Misinformed he may be, but comments like these are what gets threads locked :/

Sorry, it's just that people need to get over one little that they missed when they first played the game. No reason for him to get mad and threaten us. My apologies, but he needs to do it, too.

[Vil]

Sorry, it's just that people need to get over one little that they missed when they first played the game. No reason for him to get mad and threaten us. My apologies, but he needs to do it, too.

He wasn't mad or threatening, he was just stating an opinion of his, that stems from not knowing how the servers are set up o_O If he still feels that way, well, that's his thing, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over it and neither should you.

[Vizzer]

Well.. this is now the number one thing in my opinion that seals the deal between the games. The Duty Finder video. Maybe they'll implement something like this for XI, but I have a feeling the PS2 limitations it won't work.

http://youtu.be/QIBPqZ0rNQ8
The duty finder would never fly with this community unless they added the "R/M/E/D/ only" button, so they wouldn't get grouped with people they feel are less than themselves, these people would rather shout for hours and possibly not even group, then take a chance on a single DD that doesn't have one of those weapons.

[Crusader81]

And then this just came out...

http://youtu.be/--a6__DnOdc

[Karbuncle]

I use the word "You" alot, Vizzer I'm not implying YOU specifically but YOU as a general audience that may be reading this. K buddy :D?


The duty finder would never fly with this community unless they added the "R/M/E/D/ only" button, so they wouldn't get grouped with people they feel are less than themselves, these people would rather shout for hours and possibly not even group, then take a chance on a single DD that doesn't have one of those weapons.

In their defense, what they're trying to weed out when they ask for that is the lazy folk. Time isn't a valid excuse anymore when the events to get a R or E can be done in under 2 hours, and have no minimum time needed, and you can do them in 30 minute bursts a day and still get them in a reasonable frame (Well, Empyreans anyway).

But in that light, having a RMED doesn't automatically make you not a retard, and theres a better than good chance there are players out there without a RMED who are better than players with a RMED, unfortunately the difference between a Delve weapon and a non-delve weapon are catastrophically huge, to the point unless said Delve-Owner was half naked and fulltiming 1 set of armor that was hideously mismatched and mediocre, the Delve DD will likely still win.

People without a Delve weapon have to understand, Content like 5NM+Megaboss or even just 5NM~ runs were designed for the best of the best players, They're designed for you to have Delve weapons. Now for just "1 NM Wins", for some of the fight it boils down to more factors than your DD, but the DD are still a strong factor, and without enough Damage you time out or die due to killing too slow.

A group can stand to invite a mediocre DD or two and still win if the others pick up their pace, but if they're doing a Megaboss run like Tojil, inviting a Non-Delve DD is suicide for the run, because the damage difference is so huge its not even funny.

So, one can't really be upset/butthurt that people want to try and add any idiot filter they can to shouts, even though they're not 100% effective, If you just shout and invite everything and everyone who sends you a tell, Your runs will more oft than not be riddled with failures, disbanding, and rather you like it or not, you'll get a reputation as a bad leader and the few good players you picked up on the first failed run will begin to avoid your shouts knowing you don't care who you invite and thats a dangerous game when FFXI is riddled with so many tards and gimps.

Now i know some of the people who shout for RMED or Ignorant things like "Enfeeble Skill 525+" which, btw if you see that kind of shout know the leader is full retarded because the best enfeebling set puts you @ or under 500 skill with much more magic accuracy than a 525+ build could ever bring you since, while the tests are old, most show 1 SKill = 1 macc so they're interchangeable.

Bottom line this new content wasn't designed so you could half-a** it and leech off other peoples effort just because you feel entitled to it without any of the work other people put into their gear or weapons, and you can't blame someone for trying their best to form a group who will win.

Edit: For what its worth, I might give FFXIV a try if my friends play it, but FFXI is just flat out dead to me, I don't even have a sorta-itch to reactivate or play anymore... It saddens me to know this but my motivation is shot and my will to play gone.

[Vizzer]

People on my server aren't even shouting for 5NM+Megaboss wins right now, their only wanting those types of weapons goes from anything from VW and NNI all the way through Plasm farming. The first people that got KI wins didn't have delve weapons, but now they require people to have them, I'm saying the attitude of the long term players in this game is pretty bad, but that's ok, they can stay here and maybe putting together groups will be a bit easier for them when they do the next server merge.

I have also brought up the content finder in XIV before, and how maybe the idea could be worked in sometime in the future, and all the responses to it were either about it not being plausable in XI, or the fact that content finders kill MMO's and their communities.http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/34032-Why-I-m-not-going-to-resub/page2

[Vil]

People on my server aren't even shouting for 5NM+Megaboss wins right now, their only wanting those types of weapons goes from anything from VW and NNI all the way through Plasm farming. The first people that got KI wins didn't have delve weapons, but now they require people to have them, I'm saying the attitude of the long term players in this game is pretty bad, but that's ok, they can stay here and maybe putting together groups will be a bit easier for them when they do the next server merge.

I have also brought up the content finder in XIV before, and how maybe the idea could be worked in sometime in the future, and all the responses to it were either about it not being plausable in XI, or the fact that content finders kill MMO's and their communities.http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/34032-Why-I-m-not-going-to-resub/page2

Wow, Shiva sounds pretty bad Lol. I haven't seen it get to quite that level just yet on Phoenix XD

[Finuve]

well, im still screwing around on XI but seekers is definitely killing it, and FFXIV is godawful

so I'm installing the JP version of Phantasy Star Online 2 now

[Ilpalazzo]

You needed a PC from like NASA or something to run 1.0 good xD Mine did okay, but my room was always really hot. @.@

I hear you about the more relaxed mindset, though. Even with 1.0, it was almost like a godsend. I love XI, I really do... but jeez it just takes too damn long to do anything. After playing a few months of XIV, it was hard for me to justify doing things in XI.

I always keep my account active though, and pop in from time to time, though I mostly do crafting and the odd Abyssea farm. Nothing major anymore.

Well one of my major problems is I work evenings 5 days a week so I literally can't get a endgame LS unless I want to learn Japanese and play in the early mornings. I also agree that it still takes way to long to get certain gear read "99 RME" I mean don't get me wrong I'm okay with them taking 2-4 months with 1-2 hours a day of working on them solo. But alas there are still those old school extremest that say I worked hard so you have to as well. Hell I've played this game for 7+ years now and was pretty hardcore for many of them and have had various endgame ls and I don't have that kinda attitude.

[Karbuncle]

People on my server aren't even shouting for 5NM+Megaboss wins right now, their only wanting those types of weapons goes from anything from VW and NNI all the way through Plasm farming. The first people that got KI wins didn't have delve weapons, but now they require people to have them, I'm saying the attitude of the long term players in this game is pretty bad, but that's ok, they can stay here and maybe putting together groups will be a bit easier for them when they do the next server merge.


Yah, In that case it just sounds like your server is 'tarded, Cause if its for NNI or something, Even things like a good Augmented Skirmish weapon would work.

[Hayward]

I'll likely pre-order XIV next Wednesday and deactivate my Content ID in September if I find XIV satisfactory enough to justify the monthly payments.

In the meantime, I'll probably find something to do in Adoulin that doesn't revolve around Delve. It's difficult, though, not to see that XI has become a shell of itself and no longer serves every player. In a sense, it has become Wizardry Online sans permadeath.

[Duelle]

I'll likely pre-order XIV next Wednesday and deactivate my Content ID in September if I find XIV satisfactory enough to justify the monthly payments.Hay, if you end up in XIV, me and a bunch of people I know have decided on a server to roll on. Let me know if you want in.

[Vil]

You can talk about servers :p only thing you can't do at this point is talk about Alpha, Beta Phase 1/2, or post video/audio

[Duelle]

You can talk about servers :p only thing you can't do at this point is talk about Alpha, Beta Phase 1/2, or post video/audioI'll admit, the limitations on the NDA are weird and a little difficult to keep up with. XD