The Future of FFXI

[Daemon]

On a serious note though...

I'm curious about the Future of FFXI. With the current state, the game is still under the limitations of PS2. What will happen when the PS4 is released and PS2 becomes discontinued? Will the game move over to PC only? I don't own an Xbox 360 as I've never had faith in Microsoft because of the history with Windows.

Many are saying or assuming that FFXI will eventually come to an end. This is bothersome because I know many of us have dedicated endless amounts of our precious time doing quests, missions, things like REM.

I guess what I really want to know is it worth it to keep paying subscription to a game that's coming to an end? With FFXIV around the corner I'm sure a huge portion of FFXI crowd is going to move over. Which is why I'm questioning about the future of 11.

With no signs of the 11 roadmap, how long will this game last if the PS2 becomes discontinued?

I am aware of some of the upcoming updates such as Elemental Magic adjustments, REM updates, AF for Geomancer and Rune however it's hard to have faith relying on word because many of the promises of future updates have yet to be made.
Even so these updates are only current and does not give us any answers to what the future lies past PS2 era.

[Yinnyth]

There are (apparantly) many JP players who are both FFXI and PS2 loyalists and refuse to let go of either. Now since I don't read Japanese myself, I can't say for certain if this is the actual case, but it puts SE into a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" kind of situation when it comes to ditching PS2 support. I imagine people who play on PS2, PS3, or Xbox wouldn't be willing to buy a computer to continue playing if their system of choice was dropped.

[Deifact]

The game will cease to be one day, it's an inevitability. Our time is precious, but each of us deems the game worthy of our time each day we log in, so you should be thinking how much enjoyment the game has given you throughout the years opposed to "I don't want to lose my pixels".

I hope SE will bite the bullet and exclude PS2 support. There's no real reason someone can't get a cheap rig (hell you could probably piece one together for free from dumped computers, or just buy a graphics card). I would be surprised if there is a ffxi player out there so poor they can afford internet/subscription charges but not a second hand Xbox etc. Especially as prices will plummet when xbone is out.

As for ffxi future, I'm not sure. I think a lot of us still play simply for nostalgia's sake opposed to actual enjoyment. I think the game will dwindle away in the next two years.

[Daemon]

I think the game will dwindle away in the next two years.

It's getting to that point huh..

[Quixote]

On some serious note man, If anyone here still plays with a PS2 I feel bad for you ,


♫
♫♫ 99 Problems but a PS2 ain't one
♫♫♫ If you having PS2 problems I feel bad for you son
♫♫♫ I got 99 problems but a PS2 ain't one
Hit me ♪♪♪
♪♪♪
♪
what we have is Dev problems

[Draylo]

Game probably barely costs them much upkeep with the sub fee they have and the staff they have supporting it. People will still play it years to come, look at other examples like EQ and Ultima Online. All you doomsday idiots need to seriously get lost and play your precious FFXIV. I'm sure a lot of us are tired of your silly delusions of FFXI dying just like it was dying 2 years ago when FFXIV first launched lol.

[Demon6324236]

All you doomsday idiots need to seriously get lost and play your precious FFXIV. I'm sure a lot of us are tired of your silly delusions of FFXI dying just like it was dying 2 years ago when FFXIV first launched lol.Its not my "precious FFXIV" I care about right now, its FFXI. At the same time I have said a few times in the last week that I think this game will die. The first FFXIV failed badly because of poor leadership which ignored the players, the game itself was a massive failure, now they are on the right track, game looks great, and if it is great and does not fail then what will happen to FFXI? Many people are quitting right now because of things like RMEs being so outdone, Delve being the primary content almost no one does much else it seems, and the fact that future updates do not seem to be fixing some of the largest problems.

For years we have been preached to about balance, yet where is that now? All balance was thrown out, everything, 10 years worth of content was completely obliterated in terms of difficulty thanks to a single expansion, no a single event! In all honesty, with the amount of people jumping ship for their new game, the amount of people jumping ship period, and the amount of things we have been promised without any sign of getting it, I think this game is going to crumble soon. If you disagree, so be it, its not like were idiots with unfounded reasons, just throwing things out there, were not like people who based ideas off a calendar made by people hundreds of years ago, we are going by simple facts, and what we see around us.

If you want to think FFXI will stay around and stay strong, so be it, but I am sure myself and those like me who base our thoughts on fact understand why it might not. The best argument for why it wont die it seems is, it didn't die the other 10 times people said it, well yes, I agree, it did not die then, but just because it didn't last time, does not mean it wont this time. Signs right now point to this game going badly, the list of things coming in the next 2 months look nice, but whats missing? New 2-hours, Avatars, Magic Adjustments, RME updates, the new UI, and a ton of smaller things which have been long since talked about but never really messed with. This list is 2 months of what we are getting, it looks nice, but all of those people who thought the RME updates were around the corner, all of the people who thought magic might matter more, or hoped to pop out their new SP abilities, the SMNs who thought after the last 2~3 years they would finally have Cait Sith, all of those people just got royally disappointed, and are now closer to quitting I am sure.

Maybe its more that you need to learn what is going on in your precious FFXI, and figure out if its worth staying, or why all of these people are talking about the game dying, rather than just telling us were a bunch of idiots. FFXIV failed once, they are doing well to make sure it does not happen again, FFXI on the other hand is not going so well. Perhaps the reason FFXI did not die 2 years ago is because this game was not in as bad of shape, and FFXIV flopped, what do you think happens if FFXIV does not fail again?

[Daemon]

Its not my "precious FFXIV" I care about right now, its FFXI. At the same time I have said a few times in the last week that I think this game will die. The first FFXIV failed badly because of poor leadership which ignored the players, the game itself was a massive failure, now they are on the right track, game looks great, and if it is great and does not fail then what will happen to FFXI? Many people are quitting right now because of things like RMEs being so outdone, Delve being the primary content almost no one does much else it seems, and the fact that future updates do not seem to be fixing some of the largest problems.

For years we have been preached to about balance, yet where is that now? All balance was thrown out, everything, 10 years worth of content was completely obliterated in terms of difficulty thanks to a single expansion, no a single event! In all honesty, with the amount of people jumping ship for their new game, the amount of people jumping ship period, and the amount of things we have been promised without any sign of getting it, I think this game is going to crumble soon. If you disagree, so be it, its not like were idiots with unfounded reasons, just throwing things out there, were not like people who based ideas off a calendar made by people hundreds of years ago, we are going by simple facts, and what we see around us.

If you want to think FFXI will stay around and stay strong, so be it, but I am sure myself and those like me who base our thoughts on fact understand why it might not. The best argument for why it wont die it seems is, it didn't die the other 10 times people said it, well yes, I agree, it did not die then, but just because it didn't last time, does not mean it wont this time. Signs right now point to this game going badly, the list of things coming in the next 2 months look nice, but whats missing? New 2-hours, Avatars, Magic Adjustments, RME updates, the new UI, and a ton of smaller things which have been long since talked about but never really messed with. This list is 2 months of what we are getting, it looks nice, but all of those people who thought the RME updates were around the corner, all of the people who thought magic might matter more, or hoped to pop out their new SP abilities, the SMNs who thought after the last 2~3 years they would finally have Cait Sith, all of those people just got royally disappointed, and are now closer to quitting I am sure.

Maybe its more that you need to learn what is going on in your precious FFXI, and figure out if its worth staying, or why all of these people are talking about the game dying, rather than just telling us were a bunch of idiots. FFXIV failed once, they are doing well to make sure it does not happen again, FFXI on the other hand is not going so well. Perhaps the reason FFXI did not die 2 years ago is because this game was not in as bad of shape, and FFXIV flopped, what do you think happens if FFXIV does not fail again?

And this is why I started this post to begin with. Sadly but I agree.

[Daemon]

On some serious note man, If anyone here still plays with a PS2 I feel bad for you ,


♫
♫♫ 99 Problems but a PS2 ain't one
♫♫♫ If you having PS2 problems I feel bad for you son
♫♫♫ I got 99 problems but a PS2 ain't one
Hit me ♪♪♪
♪♪♪
♪
what we have is Dev problems

I'm on PC however PS2 limitations doesn't allow the devs to give us better adjustments such as over 80 cap inventory etc. this is why im curious what will happen when PS2 is discontinued? Will SE do a major overhaul and recode every single expansion and move it up to a higher platform? Or let the game die and move on to 14?


Game probably barely costs them much upkeep with the sub fee they have and the staff they have supporting it. People will still play it years to come, look at other examples like EQ and Ultima Online. All you doomsday idiots need to seriously get lost and play your precious FFXIV. I'm sure a lot of us are tired of your silly delusions of FFXI dying just like it was dying 2 years ago when FFXIV first launched lol.

Technology is not the same as it was 10 years ago and 10 years from now it will not be the same as now. So for those who think we are idiots, these are reasonable things to think about.

Was EQ & Ultimate online on a console? O.o

[BST]

There is no future for an upgrade. They would have to end service for the current consoles.
That wont happen. Its been said before, that FFXIV was designed to replace this game.

Why would they just make another MMO if they already have a successful one that will continue past 2020?

Oh, and can you really see this game going places with no new players. As it is now, a lot of players have 2+ accounts, so when one person leaves they're taking two subscriptions away.

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

Game probably barely costs them much upkeep with the sub fee they have and the staff they have supporting it. People will still play it years to come, look at other examples like EQ and Ultima Online. All you doomsday idiots need to seriously get lost and play your precious FFXIV. I'm sure a lot of us are tired of your silly delusions of FFXI dying just like it was dying 2 years ago when FFXIV first launched lol.

Before you moronically smash your keyboard to form words and sentences, you should probably be informed of something.

The majority of the people saying XI is doomed, aren't saying it because it's a great game. It's because SE has taken the callous stance of generally not caring about XI. Why not glance at the updates planned for July? Really not impressive.

I will go play XIV, thanks. Not because it's precious to me, but because it's a good game, that SE is actively paying attention to.

And it's not a delusion, enjoy your mass server merge post XIV launch. I'll be enjoying a new game with friends while you're shouting for 2 hours to grind delve for plasm.

[Vil]

Game probably barely costs them much upkeep with the sub fee they have and the staff they have supporting it. People will still play it years to come, look at other examples like EQ and Ultima Online. All you doomsday idiots need to seriously get lost and play your precious FFXIV. I'm sure a lot of us are tired of your silly delusions of FFXI dying just like it was dying 2 years ago when FFXIV first launched lol.

You're right, poeple will continue to play this game as long as there is continual updated content. The problem with XI, unlike your examples of Ultima and EQ, is that XI is tied down by the PS2, the console it was originally coded for. Had it been only for the PC, I'm sure we would have seen some significant improvements in the structure of the game, including UI interface and inventory. Instead, the game is limited in number of inventory slots, spell slots, auto translate, you name it. It is unable to expand beyond the limitations of the PS2. Ultima and EQ are able to expand and keep up with current technology because it can continually expand as computer hardware becomes bigger and better and. PS2? The console is all but dead. And you can't upgrade its hardware to meet today's technology.

This is really the issue that SE won't let go of. Yeah, I know they still have a Japanese playerbase on PS2. But they've already alienated the North American PS2 players by not releasing Adoulin. It stings, but yeah, if they can pull this on the US market, why can they not do the same for the JPs? Drop the PS2 support, and give this game the freedom it needs to expand and evolve to today. THAT is the issue plaguing XI, and why there are so many "doomsdayers". While I don't believe this game will completely shut down anytime soon, I do believe there will be a large drop in subs.

Our "precious" XIV is doing exactly what I outlined above. It's coded in such a way that can be continually updated onto nex-gen consoles. I mean, it's not even released on ps3 yet, and we've already gotten confirmation that it will be out on ps4 sometime next year.

Also, who is this "us" that you speak on behalf of? the bitter part of the community that wants to see XIV die in the vain hope that its death will fix XI's problems? Newsflash: SE is one company, yes, but the development teams are different. XI has its own team, XIV has its own team, which both differ from the devs that develop the console games. XIV's death won't suddenly bring players flocking back to XI, nor will it say "hey, XIV failed, I'm a new gamer, I should check out XI!"

tl;dr, don't scapegoat XIV for XI's problems.

[Yinnyth]

And it's not a delusion, enjoy your mass server merge post XIV launch. I'll be enjoying a new game with friends while you're shouting for 2 hours to grind delve for plasm.

Until you become familiar with FFXIV and learn of its shortcomings. You'll suggest fixes, and every now and then, SE might listen. But as time wears on, you begin to grow weary. Frustrations in the game which have existed for years still have not been addressed and just keep stacking up, one after another. Last update added nothing you wanted and you just can't fathom why the devs aren't fixing the things which are actually important to you.

As a last resort, you create an anonymous account on the forums with a sarcastic and insulting name to the company you have lost all faith in. Using this account which hides your identity only from the players (because the devs can easily track your IP address and link it to your actual character), you begin railing against anyone who defends anything SE has ever done. Why don't they see the truth? SE is corrupt and incompetent. These people need to be educated, but nothing seems to stick to their teflon brain.

But it's all ok, because Final Fantasy 17 comes out in only 3 months. While those morons keep grinding away in their antiquated game, you'll be living it up in a perfect virtual world where people aren't selfish jerks, and the devs don't waste your subscription fee.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Its been said before, that FFXIV was designed to replace this game.

XIV was designed to be extremely modular, partly for the sake of porting it to other platforms/input schemes/etc.

I can't claim that this was an intent, or that it will be used this way, but one of the advantages of such modularity is that it would make it that much easier to port XI to the XIV graphics engine/etc.

This is of course my own wild speculation, but I did note this: The 2.0 beta implemented an acorn-headed Lalafell model where 1.0 did not. Trying to make characters that look that much like XI characters (and years after 1.0's launch at that) feels like the result of some sort of proof-of-concept.

[Vil]

XIV was designed to be extremely modular, partly for the sake of porting it to other platforms/input schemes/etc.

I can't claim that this was an intent, or that it will be used this way, but one of the advantages of such modularity is that it would make it that much easier to port XI to the XIV graphics engine/etc.

This is of course my own wild speculation, but I did note this: The 2.0 beta implemented an acorn-headed Lalafell model where 1.0 did not. Trying to make characters that look that much like XI characters (and years after 1.0's launch at that) feels like the result of some sort of proof-of-concept.

I think you're grasping at straws here. The concept when XIV was first announced was to have the XI races for that bit of familiarity, for those who were transitioning into it from XI. Their background, storylines etc are considerably different. Even their race names are different. Aesthetically, they are similar, but that's where it ends.

The models themselves draw from the concepts of the XI races, but they are new models.

You pointed out the "acorn head lalafell" being an indicator, but this is merely them adding new additional hairstyles to expand character customization. Miqo'te got pigtails (which they didn't in 1.0) etc. Each race got stuff that wasn't in 1.0, and not all of it draws from XI concepts.

[Daemon]

You're right, poeple will continue to play this game as long as there is continual updated content. The problem with XI, unlike your examples of Ultima and EQ, is that XI is tied down by the PS2, the console it was originally coded for. Had it been only for the PC, I'm sure we would have seen some significant improvements in the structure of the game, including UI interface and inventory. Instead, the game is limited in number of inventory slots, spell slots, auto translate, you name it. It is unable to expand beyond the limitations of the PS2. Ultima and EQ are able to expand and keep up with current technology because it can continually expand as computer hardware becomes bigger and better and. PS2? The console is all but dead. And you can't upgrade its hardware to meet today's technology.

This is really the issue that SE won't let go of. Yeah, I know they still have a Japanese playerbase on PS2. But they've already alienated the North American PS2 players by not releasing Adoulin. It stings, but yeah, if they can pull this on the US market, why can they not do the same for the JPs? Drop the PS2 support, and give this game the freedom it needs to expand and evolve to today. THAT is the issue plaguing XI, and why there are so many "doomsdayers". While I don't believe this game will completely shut down anytime soon, I do believe there will be a large drop in subs.

Our "precious" XIV is doing exactly what I outlined above. It's coded in such a way that can be continually updated onto nex-gen consoles. I mean, it's not even released on ps3 yet, and we've already gotten confirmation that it will be out on ps4 sometime next year.

Also, who is this "us" that you speak on behalf of? the bitter part of the community that wants to see XIV die in the vain hope that its death will fix XI's problems? Newsflash: SE is one company, yes, but the development teams are different. XI has its own team, XIV has its own team, which both differ from the devs that develop the console games. XIV's death won't suddenly bring players flocking back to XI, nor will it say "hey, XIV failed, I'm a new gamer, I should check out XI!"

tl;dr, don't scapegoat XIV for XI's problems.

And this is why I made this post to begin with, he explained it in much more detail than me but I think we both agree on the same point.

Now if only you people all could hit "Like" for touching this topic on the right spot :)

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

Until you become familiar with FFXIV and learn of its shortcomings. You'll suggest fixes, and every now and then, SE might listen. But as time wears on, you begin to grow weary. Frustrations in the game which have existed for years still have not been addressed and just keep stacking up, one after another. Last update added nothing you wanted and you just can't fathom why the devs aren't fixing the things which are actually important to you.

As a last resort, you create an anonymous account on the forums with a sarcastic and insulting name to the company you have lost all faith in. Using this account which hides your identity only from the players (because the devs can easily track your IP address and link it to your actual character), you begin railing against anyone who defends anything SE has ever done. Why don't they see the truth? SE is corrupt and incompetent. These people need to be educated, but nothing seems to stick to their teflon brain.

But it's all ok, because Final Fantasy 17 comes out in only 3 months. While those morons keep grinding away in their antiquated game, you'll be living it up in a perfect virtual world where people aren't selfish jerks, and the devs don't waste your subscription fee.

Kaijin > Valefor
2006~Present

Mules:
Tarualchemist
Stoarmoar
Raesk


I usually play around 12am-4am EST.

Never said FFXI wasn't a great game, and never said XIV will be a perfect game. In the end they're all still SqEn games. All I'm saying is XIV is something new, and refreshing, that is actually fun to play. XI is currently lacking that in my opinion.

I fully understand that XIV will potentially grow dull, and maybe by then XI will have had the issues corrected. If that ever happens, I might even pick XI back up again. But I'm not going to continue to pay service fees for something that's growing increasingly less fun to play.

*Edit*
You can also see my characters from the SE account management system. Looks kinda like this...

Stoarmoar@Valefor
To be cancelled Jul. 3, 2013

Tarualchemist@Valefor
To be cancelled Jul. 3, 2013

Raesk@Valefor
To be cancelled Jul. 3, 2013

Kaijin@Valefor
To be cancelled Jul. 3, 2013

[Zumi]

Game probably barely costs them much upkeep with the sub fee they have and the staff they have supporting it. People will still play it years to come, look at other examples like EQ and Ultima Online. All you doomsday idiots need to seriously get lost and play your precious FFXIV. I'm sure a lot of us are tired of your silly delusions of FFXI dying just like it was dying 2 years ago when FFXIV first launched lol.

You're the one who is delusional if you don't think the quality of service and updates on FFXI has not gone down in the recent months.

[Yinnyth]

Never said FFXI wasn't a great game

You're right, "FFXI wasn't a great game" were never your exact words. But these are(from other topics):


I'm sorry, but SE's "deal with it brah" mentality doesn't impress me. A brain damaged chimp slamming its face into a keyboard could have come up with a better system than this.

A brain damaged chimp slamming its face into a keyboard would result in a system better than abyssea VW NMs. But FFXI is still a great game, yeah?


Also off topic. My favorite tool is a shield. They mindlessly defend whoever paid to hide behind them.

Forum reps are a tool. They mindlessly defend the devs who hide behind the forum reps for all the bad decisions they make.


They get an A for effort though. A giant trainwreck.

They tried "hard", but SoA is a failure. (they tried hard to make us all quit the game and move to 14).


I got accepted to the PS3 beta as well. Just saying, FFXI is about to get smashed. Clearly SE has listened to requests and suggestions, they just put it in the wrong game.

FFXIV: A Realm Reborn
FFXI: A Realm Aborted

14 is the future, 11 was dead before it was born!!!


Or...you could spend 5 minutes in 14 and be hooked like the rest of us.

Don't play 11, play 14! It has shinies!



Seriously, you have yet to extol... anything about FFXI. You have only negative things to say. You even used this opportunity to say you've cancelled your accounts. "But don't worry, y'all, FFXI is still a great game even though I've had nothing but negative things to say about it and I've cancelled all my accounts."

Edit: I will admit though, revealing your account information was a class act. Well played, sir.

[Daemon]

You're right, "FFXI wasn't a great game" were never your exact words. But these are(from other topics):



A brain damaged chimp slamming its face into a keyboard would result in a system better than abyssea VW NMs. But FFXI is still a great game, yeah?



Forum reps are a tool. They mindlessly defend the devs who hide behind the forum reps for all the bad decisions they make.



They tried "hard", but SoA is a failure. (they tried hard to make us all quit the game and move to 14).



14 is the future, 11 was dead before it was born!!!



Don't play 11, play 14! It has shinies!



Seriously, you have yet to extol... anything about FFXI. You have only negative things to say. You even used this opportunity to say you've cancelled your accounts. "But don't worry, y'all, FFXI is still a great game even though I've had nothing but negative things to say about it and I've cancelled all my accounts."

Edit: I will admit though, revealing your account information was a class act. Well played, sir.

I admit I've said some pretty bad things too about FFXI but seriously the majority of us do feel bitter right now because we are seeing so many negative things that are changing the way the game use to be. I'm all out for changes but now the game is out of control on balance. And SE has not been giving us the proper attention to us loyal fans who not only stuck with this game for over a decade, we've done our part every month filling up the Crysta, Swiping in our Debit/Credit each month to continue our subscription. Rushed to the nearest online store or SE site to pay for every single expansion yet lately the way things are going we all do feel it's unfair that many promises were broken, new expansion seems it wasn't well thought out but rather rushed to keep us interested than flock over and play the 14 beta.

Lots of us are feeling disappointed that 14 is getting so much attention while we are here left in the dark playing a broken Expansion. Sigh this is too depressing to even continue on writing more.

[Vil]

I admit I've said some pretty bad things too about FFXI but seriously the majority of us do feel bitter right now because we are seeing so many negative things that are changing the way the game use to be. I'm all out for changes but now the game is out of control on balance. And SE has not been giving us the proper attention to us loyal fans who not only stuck with this game for over a decade, we've done our part every month filling up the Crysta, Swiping in our Debit/Credit each month to continue our subscription. Rushed to the nearest online store or SE site to pay for every single expansion yet lately the way things are going we all do feel it's unfair that many promises were broken, new expansion seems it wasn't well thought out but rather rushed to keep us interested than flock over and play the 14 beta.

Lots of us are feeling disappointed that 14 is getting so much attention while we are here left in the dark playing a broken Expansion. Sigh this is too depressing to even continue on writing more.

I just wanted to point out that nothing is ever "promised". Roadmaps, content plans, anything announced is ALWAYS subject to change. The recent post about not releasing more roadmaps is a clear indication of this. Releasing a tentative schedule that people adhere to as concrete and final is doing them more harm than good. Yet when these roadmaps aren't release, the community is screaming for some kind of info, some kind of update, and when they get a small piece of information, again, they adhere to it as concrete and final, even if its still in development. Devs are in a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" situation.

XIV is getting attention right now because it's new, and because this game will essentially make or break the company. The stakes are high. They can't afford to have a lackluster launch. Whereas most companies would just abandon a failed MMO, SE poured a lot of money and resources into restructuring and relaunching the game to reestablish the FF brand and their company reputation.

I'll say it once again, XI has been in decline even without the fiasco that was XIV 1.0. The company refuses to do away with PS2, making it harder to go back and revise years worth of content to give this game the update it desperately needs. Instead of fixing things at the foundational level (coding, UI, portability) they just keep slapping work-around bandaids (gobbie bags for inventory for ex) that keep piling on.

[Daemon]

I just wanted to point out that nothing is ever "promised". Roadmaps, content plans, anything announced is ALWAYS subject to change. The recent post about not releasing more roadmaps is a clear indication of this. Releasing a tentative schedule that people adhere to as concrete and final is doing them more harm than good. Yet when these roadmaps aren't release, the community is screaming for some kind of info, some kind of update, and when they get a small piece of information, again, they adhere to it as concrete and final, even if its still in development. Devs are in a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" situation.

XIV is getting attention right now because it's new, and because this game will essentially make or break the company. The stakes are high. They can't afford to have a lackluster launch. Whereas most companies would just abandon a failed MMO, SE poured a lot of money and resources into restructuring and relaunching the game to reestablish the FF brand and their company reputation.

I'll say it once again, XI has been in decline even without the fiasco that was XIV 1.0. The company refuses to do away with PS2, making it harder to go back and revise years worth of content to give this game the update it desperately needs. Instead of fixing things at the foundational level (coding, UI, portability) they just keep slapping work-around bandaids (gobbie bags for inventory for ex) that keep piling on.

Which is understood however we are still paying customers and a good loyal fanbase too, not new clients just entering the world of Final Fantasy. Slapping on band aids is one thing, rushing to release content and unbalancing the game carelessly is another. Had SoA been released with better thoughtout plan and care people who spent endless amounts of time on previous content would have nothing to gripe about and making a good portion of content put out of its place is also an issue.

I'm just generalizing the fact that a lot of us are disappointed. Work on FF14 because its the next big thing, sure but don't forget about us who has stayed supporting the company allowing to create 14 in the first place. To me money is the big thing in the world that companies today are more focused on how we can get a good chunk of it. But don't leave behind the crowd who has endured so much over the years especially us who are becoming heart broken over 11 in the direction it's going.

You can easily say "Get over it" if you want but I'm sure some people can agree the amount of time in this game we have invested, the amount of money we have used to support FFXI, If SE cannot handle both 11 and 14, then we should deserve more attention being that we are the backbone fanbase that SE has. Not new clients jumping on the game for the first time. Already a good portion has loss interest in 11 because of the direction is been going dating back a few years.

[Vil]

Which is understood however we are still paying customers and a good loyal fanbase too, not new clients just entering the world of Final Fantasy. Slapping on band aids is one thing, rushing to release content and unbalancing the game carelessly is another. Had SoA been released with better thoughtout plan and care people who spent endless amounts of time on previous content would have nothing to gripe about and making a good portion of content put out of its place is also an issue.

I'm just generalizing the fact that a lot of us are disappointed. Work on FF14 because its the next big thing, sure but don't forget about us who has stayed supporting the company allowing to create 14 in the first place. To me money is the big thing in the world that companies today are more focused on how we can get a good chunk of it. But don't leave behind the crowd who has endured so much over the years especially us who are becoming heart broken over 11 in the direction it's going.

You can easily say "Get over it" if you want but I'm sure some people can agree the amount of time in this game we have invested, the amount of money we have used to support FFXI, If SE cannot handle both 11 and 14, then we should deserve more attention being that we are the backbone fanbase that SE has. Not new clients jumping on the game for the first time.

Okay...

You say "us" as if I do not belong to this community or something lol. I played XI for 9 years, and on and off for the past two yrs. I think I am just as much a loyal customer as you are.

I am disappointed at the game direction as well, don't get me wrong. A lot of these new announcements about content just leave me scratching my head or completely lost.

As far as "leaving people behind", I think, if that was really their intention, they would have shut this game down. They keep it going for us, the community, even though we don't care for the content that's been released lately. This isn't XIV's fault though, which several people tend to blame for XI's descent.

I never said "get over it" either. I've invested time on this game, just like you have. I've supported it outside of just the game, by buying their soundtracks and their artbooks and all that. I'm not going to use this as some kind of qualification card though, because regardless of playtime, I think everyone here deserves to have their opinions heard, even if we don't always agree.

That said, if it takes a massive drop in subs to get SE's attention to this pile of crock they're doing to XI, then maybe that's what needs to happen. I don't really see them budging until something drastic like that happens. :/

[Daemon]

Okay...

You say "us" as if I do not belong to this community or something lol. I played XI for 9 years, and on and off for the past two yrs. I think I am just as much a loyal customer as you are.

I am disappointed at the game direction as well, don't get me wrong. A lot of these new announcements about content just leave me scratching my head or completely lost.

As far as "leaving people behind", I think, if that was really their intention, they would have shut this game down. They keep it going for us, the community, even though we don't care for the content that's been released lately. This isn't XIV's fault though, which several people tend to blame for XI's descent.

I never said "get over it" either. I've invested time on this game, just like you have. I've supported it outside of just the game, by buying their soundtracks and their artbooks and all that. I'm not going to use this as some kind of qualification card though, because regardless of playtime, I think everyone here deserves to have their opinions heard, even if we don't always agree.

That said, if it takes a massive drop in subs to get SE's attention to this pile of crock they're doing to XI, then maybe that's what needs to happen. I don't really see them budging until something drastic like that happens. :/

I totally agree with you 110%, never saying I didn't though. Just as you said the Devs need to do something drastic. But observing a lot of the things we asked for. Bare with me here. Higher HP/MP? Refreshing at a few seconds standing still rather than sitting? Or what about Spells that can debuff, give you a buff? I don't see how these cannot be implemented into 11. I just think these ideas we gave SE were taken and put on to 14 to bring it out of failure. I'm sure there are many more ideas we wanted in 11 that got passed over to 14 as well.

Oh and yeah refresh at several ticks without endlessly depending on multiple jobs just to enjoy casting more than 5 spells?

Did you see the new elemental adjustments we are getting? Sure some spells will have reduction on mp cost and spells will be stronger but T4 and 5 Ice / thunder is getting a raise in mp cost so people will not be able to enjoy those spells much anymore. Unless you decide you want to carry a bard, RDM and Cor with you at all times to be your refresh slave >.>

[Vil]

I totally agree with you 110%, never saying I didn't though. Just as you said the Devs need to do something drastic. But observing a lot of the things we asked for. Bare with me here. Higher HP/MP? Refreshing at a few seconds standing still rather than sitting? Or what about Spells that can debuff, give you a buff? I don't see how these cannot be implemented into 11. I just think these ideas we gave SE were taken and put on to 14 to bring it out of failure. I'm sure there are many more ideas we wanted in 11 that got passed over to 14 as well.

Oh and yeah refresh at several ticks without endlessly depending on multiple jobs just to enjoy casting more than 5 spells?

Yeah, I get what you're saying. What works for one game, doesn't necessarily work out in another game though. XIV is able to add a lot of innovative and new things because it is a new game, so they don't have to worry about pissing off the fanbase or changing the game's dynamic so drastically it ripples throughout the community (well there was 1.0 but yeah, I don't think anybody can realistically say that one was better in terms of playability lol)

XI has a 11 year game history to contend with. Simply adding things like refresh while standing, debuff spells etc, isn't something they can just throw in there and say "here, have at it". There's a lot of checks and balances to go over, and thus, it falls into the same category as overhauling/updating this game: it's a massive undertaking they'd have to dedicate time and resources to, and given their current state of content release all that, I don't know if they're necessarily willing to go back and undo a lot of the "band-aid" fixes they've been throwing in for the past several years.

Basically, to add a lot of the options XIV is releasing with, they'd have to go back and fix XI at the foundational level, balance things, etc. Wishful thinking at best. Perhaps when XIV launches and has a stable income, they'll come back and do a major overhaul of XI. I mean, who knows really.

I'm always optimistic that they'll do something about it, since this is their first MMO, their baby. It may not come as fast as people want it to, but I do believe we'll see some sort of thing happen. I just hope it's not too late tho!

And speaking of change, I used to be in the camp that said "ABYSSEA DESTROYED EVERYTHING ABOUT XI", but after spending time in XIV (1.0 and ARR), I realized that change wasn't necessarily a bad thing, especially in 1.0, where things like crafting recipes were changed, battle contents were changed/removed etc.

I think what's jarring for people in XI when it comes to change is the fact that it lasted for SO LONG doing the same thing (level 75, camping NMs, exp parties with 6 people etc), that when the devs tried to initiate change, it was naturally met with criticism (HOW DARE U TAKE AWAY MY CRABS/COLIBRIS).

Looking back now, Abyssea was actually a refreshing change of pace for XI, one that I'd hoped the devs would stick with. Even though you were in "god mode", Abyssea content DID last for a good long time. What brought on the negativity was the fact that there was nothing BUT Abyssea to do, as the devs were really really slow at updating all the other content (Salvage, Nyzul, Limbus, endgame scene).

This Delve stuff honestly sounds like another Abyssea scenario in a way, except Delve is nowhere as easy to jump into as Abyssea was. Delve is unforgiving and exclusive ><

I need to sleep lol.

[Daemon]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. What works for one game, doesn't necessarily work out in another game though. XIV is able to add a lot of innovative and new things because it is a new game, so they don't have to worry about pissing off the fanbase or changing the game's dynamic so drastically it ripples throughout the community (well there was 1.0 but yeah, I don't think anybody can realistically say that one was better in terms of playability lol)

XI has a 11 year game history to contend with. Simply adding things like refresh while standing, debuff spells etc, isn't something they can just throw in there and say "here, have at it". There's a lot of checks and balances to go over, and thus, it falls into the same category as overhauling/updating this game: it's a massive undertaking they'd have to dedicate time and resources to, and given their current state of content release all that, I don't know if they're necessarily willing to go back and undo a lot of the "band-aid" fixes they've been throwing in for the past several years.

Basically, to add a lot of the options XIV is releasing with, they'd have to go back and fix XI at the foundational level, balance things, etc. Wishful thinking at best. Perhaps when XIV launches and has a stable income, they'll come back and do a major overhaul of XI. I mean, who knows really.

I'm always optimistic that they'll do something about it, since this is their first MMO, their baby. It may not come as fast as people want it to, but I do believe we'll see some sort of thing happen. I just hope it's not too late tho!

If FFXI is their baby they need to give us better hope because after reading several comments from others, it sounds like a good portion of players are raving over 14. I'm just worried how much of the server is going to be left after launch.

If they spent all that time from 1.0 to 2.0 adding in all those features to 14. I don't see it as impossible for FFXI also. I did play 14 when it first came out and they barely had that many jobs and the massive amounts of features as they do now.

[Daemon]

3 days now trying to get refresh subligar... Seriously? And it only takes a few hours to earn enough plasm to earn 1 delve weapon >.>

This is what I mean by the game is unbalanced.

[Vil]

If FFXI is their baby they need to give us better hope because after reading several comments from others, it sounds like a good portion of players are raving over 14. I'm just worried how much of the server is going to be left after launch.

It's to be expected. They are seeing a new perspective now, just as I did with 1.0 (even though the game sucked lol). It's not to say they're following some kind of flock, but rather they are opening their eyes and seeing the world outside of XI for the first time in years. Many of XI's playerbase have not dabbled in other MMO's, so they are pretty behind in terms of today's MMO standards.

Seeing what XIV has, that we've been asking for for years, is pretty much what did it for me. I said this in another post, but after playing even 1.0, it was hard for me to go back to XI and justify dropping long hours of farm/exp in the hopes that the system would reward me with a lucky drop or something. This is what a lot of people are seeing now.

It's also very easy to get into, which I can't say is the same for XI, beginning player or returning player. Beginning players have no idea what to do, no direction, other than going outside and whacking a few worms or rabbits. Sure there's FoV books and all that, but there is nothing to lead the new player to knowing those books even exist. Heck, I didn't even know of them until someone told me about them.

As a returning player, more than once, I felt so overwhelmed at the idea of trying to catch up that I just didn't bother. Trying to learn what I missed, what was worth farming, what was not, what's Voidwatch, what's a rubicund cell etc lol. What seems like common knowledge to some people, is a massive amount of information to try to take in while trying to transition back in the game. And then the grindfest starts once again. Will I be lucky to get the drop I need to better my gear to get to the next farm area so I can get even better gear?

As a casual gamer now (I'm 32 yrs old now, with considerably less time to play than when I was in my 20s), I'm still trying to catch up on gear and experience to even be able to do the Adoulin content. Plasm farm pt? forget it, I'd get laughed at for even trying. Reives? Yeah, unforgiving to low-man farm, and that's if people are even farming those. (yeah I know its getting an update, but it should have been in there from the start).

[Daemon]

It's to be expected. They are seeing a new perspective now, just as I did with 1.0 (even though the game sucked lol). It's not to say they're following some kind of flock, but rather they are opening their eyes and seeing the world outside of XI for the first time in years. Many of XI's playerbase have not dabbled in other MMO's, so they are pretty behind in terms of today's MMO standards.

Seeing what XIV has, that we've been asking for for years, is pretty much what did it for me. I said this in another post, but after playing even 1.0, it was hard for me to go back to XI and justify dropping long hours of farm/exp in the hopes that the system would reward me with a lucky drop or something. This is what a lot of people are seeing now.

It's also very easy to get into, which I can't say is the same for XI, beginning player or returning player. Beginning players have no idea what to do, no direction, other than going outside and whacking a few worms or rabbits. Sure there's FoV books and all that, but there is nothing to lead the new player to knowing those books even exist. Heck, I didn't even know of them until someone told me about them.

As a returning player, more than once, I felt so overwhelmed at the idea of trying to catch up that I just didn't bother. Trying to learn what I missed, what was worth farming, what was not, what's Voidwatch, what's a rubicund cell etc lol. What seems like common knowledge to some people, is a massive amount of information to try to take in while trying to transition back in the game. And then the grindfest starts once again. Will I be lucky to get the drop I need to better my gear to get to the next farm area so I can get even better gear?

As a casual gamer now (I'm 32 yrs old now, with considerably less time to play than when I was in my 20s), I'm still trying to catch up on gear and experience to even be able to do the Adoulin content. Plasm farm pt? forget it, I'd get laughed at for even trying. Reives? Yeah, unforgiving to low-man farm, and that's if people are even farming those. (yeah I know its getting an update, but it should have been in there from the start).

You should read my Post "Invitation to to Plasm Farming"

[Vizzer]

The reason they were able make so many changes in XIV from the original, is because it's not the same game. After the new dev team took over, they tried implementing things as simple as a mail system, but the coding of the original game was so screwed up, it just wasn't possible, so they set forth with a plan to do what they could with the game, while they started to remake the entire game from the ground up. By the end of 1.23 the game was really good, but still they had to destroy it because they knew that they would always be tied to the original flawed programming. The community of XIV kept it alive, they kept playing watching it get better, when they decided to reinstate subscriptions for the game, people paid it, when new players started, so many people there were excited to show people what all had changed, welcoming them knowing the more player the game had, the better it would ultimately be,and when they shut the game down the players waited signing up for alpha tests, and beta tests. The community in XI is not welcoming to new and returning players though, they have the mindset that they spent upwards of 11 years getting to where they are, so why shouldn't you. I agree you shouldn't get to end game content overnight, but it shouldn't take months once you are 99, to be able to do level 99 content, if everything at 99 is end game, maybe the devs did something wrong. Before SoA from what I have been told Legion was pretty much the most difficult thing in the game, groups only took the people with the best gear, but there was also meebles, NNI, Voidwatch that people were actively doing and shouting for, and you didn't have to be the best geared on the block to get in. I know there is more than delve, but that is all people do, you can't solo skirmish, the group content right now is delve and that is it. The community needs to realize the more players the game has, the better it can be, and right now the way the overall attitude of the community is, the numbers will just keep dropping.

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

A brain damaged chimp slamming its face into a keyboard would result in a system better than abyssea VW NMs. But FFXI is still a great game, yeah?

COP/ZM missions were challenging, and often times fun, coupled with a great story. ToAU was a fun expansion as well.

I formed a 6 man static for Nyzul Isle before level cap was increased. We had no idea what we were doing or what to expect, but we steadily made the climb to floor 100 with limited failures.

You'll notice all my crafts are in the 70s and my alchemy on the mule I use for forums is over 80.

Obviously I've enjoyed myself with these aspects of the game. Quoting me regarding my discontent with the unbalanced trials due to overcrowding does nothing to further your point. Also, I stand by that post, even though I've since completed the trial, and have my Ochain.




Forum reps are a tool. They mindlessly defend the devs who hide behind the forum reps for all the bad decisions they make.

Won't argue with you on that.




They tried "hard", but SoA is a failure. (they tried hard to make us all quit the game and move to 14).

I don't think SoA was to make us quit and move to 14, but I think that will be the result of their lack of support.




14 is the future, 11 was dead before it was born!!!






Don't play 11, play 14! It has shinies!

It has team based gameplay, an innovative crafting system, and interesting additional content such as Fates and Leves.




Seriously, you have yet to extol... anything about FFXI. You have only negative things to say. You even used this opportunity to say you've cancelled your accounts. "But don't worry, y'all, FFXI is still a great game even though I've had nothing but negative things to say about it and I've cancelled all my accounts."

Edit: I will admit though, revealing your account information was a class act. Well played, sir.

The fact I have played XI for so long speaks for itself. I've played it this long because I had hopes for the game, and the content was fun. Even grabbing a group of friends and going to do Campaign Battles.

I feel at this stage of the game, it has just lost too much spark for me to enjoy playing it further. That does not speak for others.

[Damane]

You're the one who is delusional if you don't think the quality of service and updates on FFXI has not gone down in the recent months.


thats the biggest bullshit I have read. The quality of the updates has gone significantly up the last few months. I dont have to remind people about version updates at lvl 75 cap (few months pre lvl cap raise) and during VW legion... now that was not so quality updates, but the last few months had very great updates.

[Alerith]

thats the biggest bullshit I have read. The quality of the updates has gone significantly up the last few months. I dont have to remind people about version updates at lvl 75 cap (few months pre lvl cap raise) and during VW legion... now that was not so quality updates, but the last few months had very great updates.

This is a joke, right?

I'd love to hear some examples and comparisons. Not to mention the multitude of things that were said to be coming yet have not been released years later.

[Demon6324236]

thats the biggest bullshit I have read. The quality of the updates has gone significantly up the last few months. I dont have to remind people about version updates at lvl 75 cap (few months pre lvl cap raise) and during VW legion... now that was not so quality updates, but the last few months had very great updates.Quality has gone down, how many updates before caused such a large amount of lost subs, such an outrage of players, or changed the direction of the game so radically as to flip the entire design on its head? Sure, they amount of things they pack into an update has gone up, the quantity has gone up, the quality is not nearly as high as it should be though, it is sorely lacking!

[Quixote]

Is all good FFXI future has severely bad luck coming from FFXIV.

[Splinters]

I never thought I would jump to 14 as long as I still had unfinished goals in 11. That's all changed for me when 11's focus changed. I don't mean SE, I mean the player base. With all the content in game everything now boils down to one thing, plasm. Before SoA I had to scroll through 4 pages of people in my linkshell to see who all was on. Some days I log in and find I'm alone in there.

Now I will go to 14 because I want to level jobs again and do quests with friends, old and new. I want that feeling of exploring a new world. I miss the fear I felt exploring Caedarva Mire for the first time or the wonder of finally getting to Sea, or seeing the flying dragon near the waterfall in Misareaux Coast. Now long time friends are asking me to join them on 14 and I have finally agreed because of something one told me. He said, I can't wait to take you exploring, you will never believe how beautiful this place is. Is this something a new player coming to 11 will ever hear from any of their friends?

[RyujinSephy]

I was at the launch of FFXIV as well. I'll admit it was refreshing to be able to design our characters and for once not look like 60% of the other female Elvaan on my server like I do now. (Wish I'd have known it was a popular model when I started.) The crafting system was the most refreshing, being able to help control more of what the outcome will be rather than face a direction, gear up, eat a food, and pray for skill ups. From a DD in FFXI who hated crafting, to a main crafter in FFXIV that would rather craft than fight a lot of days I logged in.

I think we all agree both games have their ups and downs. Their own quirks we like and things we look at and say, "Why did they bother even putting that in the game?" But that's about every game. You're not going to agree with everything being done.

These games are made by humans and like humans have their flaws and stages of things they go through. Their longevity is uncertain like ours. Some people want to share the game with others and find enjoyment. Others want to find ways around not having to play with other people or relying on them. Living life the way you enjoy but eventually it will end.

One truth is FFXIV does have more going for it than FFXI in terms of graphics and new concepts. Reasons can be that SE has more technology, more resources, than they probably had when FFXI was being created. Yes, they are using what they have learned over the years from fans about what they wanted from FFXI because they don't want to repeat as many mistakes. There are years of difference between the titles.

But think of these games like houses. We grow to love our familiar homes and after time spend lots of money to maintain, fix things, and re-do parts we aren't happy with. The new house is all pretty and depending on construction will probably have less design flaws over the long run because people have learned more. It doesn't mean we don't love our old homes and won't stay with them as long as we can. Some of us might choose to live in the old home (FFXI) and vacation in a new home (FFXIV) or the other way around.


He said, I can't wait to take you exploring, you will never believe how beautiful this place is. Is this something a new player coming to 11 will ever hear from any of their friends?

When I started FFXIV with some friends from FFXI I felt the same way. Walking through the areas thinking, "I wonder what is true sight/sound..." with no wiki for reference because it was day 1. It was exciting.

Also, your statement rings true. I find people inviting friends and family to FFXI only to say, "Okay now get to 10-12 and go to Gusgen Mines, get to 30+. Now I'll FC you to 70 (or get someone else to) getting your LBs done along the way. Than go skill up and kill Maat. Than back to FC or Dom Ops, and LBs, skill up some more, than at 99 we can get together cause that's where the real game starts."

To be honest when I started playing pre-Abyssea I got the same thing, "Now take a few months and get to 75, than you can do things with us."

[SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses]

I miss the fear I felt exploring Caedarva Mire for the first time or the wonder of finally getting to Sea, or seeing the flying dragon near the waterfall in Misareaux Coast. He said, I can't wait to take you exploring, you will never believe how beautiful this place is. Is this something a new player coming to 11 will ever hear from any of their friends?

When I first started this game, I was a hume RDM from bastok. The only other MMOs I had played were MU Online
and Runescape. I stood stunned at this amazing, bustling city before me.

I ventured out and was enthralled by the music of Gustaberg as I rapidly defeated saplings. The excitement of gathering my first stack of seeds to sell on the Auction House for 10k. Suddenly I was rich! Able to purchase all this amazing equipment the various NPCs had to offer.

I ended up soloing RDM to 18 before I even figured out how to turn on my party flag...

Fast forward to the present...

Sound volume turned down to a bare minimum. Music volume turned off.

I got to Adoulin to explore the new areas. Long story short... /ma "Warp" <me>

I do not speak for anyone but myself when I say, I feel it's time to move on.

Maybe some time in the future, IF XIV loses it's allure, and XI gets the critical updates required to return it to its once enchanting experience, I'll come back if it's still around.

But until then, my subscription lapses on the 4th of July, and I'm not even all that bothered by it.

[Trisscar]

You're the one who is delusional if you don't think the quality of service and updates on FFXI has not gone down in the recent months.

That's ignoring the fact that the quality of services and updates have been less than stellar over the course of FFxi's lifetime.

Square has spent the past ten plus years completely ignoring the player base and it shows.

[svengalis]

On a serious note though...

I'm curious about the Future of FFXI. With the current state, the game is still under the limitations of PS2. What will happen when the PS4 is released and PS2 becomes discontinued? Will the game move over to PC only? I don't own an Xbox 360 as I've never had faith in Microsoft because of the history with Windows.

Many are saying or assuming that FFXI will eventually come to an end. This is bothersome because I know many of us have dedicated endless amounts of our precious time doing quests, missions, things like REM.

I guess what I really want to know is it worth it to keep paying subscription to a game that's coming to an end? With FFXIV around the corner I'm sure a huge portion of FFXI crowd is going to move over. Which is why I'm questioning about the future of 11.

With no signs of the 11 roadmap, how long will this game last if the PS2 becomes discontinued?

I am aware of some of the upcoming updates such as Elemental Magic adjustments, REM updates, AF for Geomancer and Rune however it's hard to have faith relying on word because many of the promises of future updates have yet to be made.
Even so these updates are only current and does not give us any answers to what the future lies past PS2 era.

If SE had any intention of shutting this game down soon, they wouldn't have released a new expansion.

[svengalis]

Its not my "precious FFXIV" I care about right now, its FFXI. At the same time I have said a few times in the last week that I think this game will die. The first FFXIV failed badly because of poor leadership which ignored the players, the game itself was a massive failure, now they are on the right track, game looks great, and if it is great and does not fail then what will happen to FFXI? Many people are quitting right now because of things like RMEs being so outdone, Delve being the primary content almost no one does much else it seems, and the fact that future updates do not seem to be fixing some of the largest problems.

For years we have been preached to about balance, yet where is that now? All balance was thrown out, everything, 10 years worth of content was completely obliterated in terms of difficulty thanks to a single expansion, no a single event! In all honesty, with the amount of people jumping ship for their new game, the amount of people jumping ship period, and the amount of things we have been promised without any sign of getting it, I think this game is going to crumble soon. If you disagree, so be it, its not like were idiots with unfounded reasons, just throwing things out there, were not like people who based ideas off a calendar made by people hundreds of years ago, we are going by simple facts, and what we see around us.

If you want to think FFXI will stay around and stay strong, so be it, but I am sure myself and those like me who base our thoughts on fact understand why it might not. The best argument for why it wont die it seems is, it didn't die the other 10 times people said it, well yes, I agree, it did not die then, but just because it didn't last time, does not mean it wont this time. Signs right now point to this game going badly, the list of things coming in the next 2 months look nice, but whats missing? New 2-hours, Avatars, Magic Adjustments, RME updates, the new UI, and a ton of smaller things which have been long since talked about but never really messed with. This list is 2 months of what we are getting, it looks nice, but all of those people who thought the RME updates were around the corner, all of the people who thought magic might matter more, or hoped to pop out their new SP abilities, the SMNs who thought after the last 2~3 years they would finally have Cait Sith, all of those people just got royally disappointed, and are now closer to quitting I am sure.

Maybe its more that you need to learn what is going on in your precious FFXI, and figure out if its worth staying, or why all of these people are talking about the game dying, rather than just telling us were a bunch of idiots. FFXIV failed once, they are doing well to make sure it does not happen again, FFXI on the other hand is not going so well. Perhaps the reason FFXI did not die 2 years ago is because this game was not in as bad of shape, and FFXIV flopped, what do you think happens if FFXIV does not fail again?

If you guys keep talking about it then that's exactly what will happen. Just enjoy the game for what it is right now and don't worry about it not being around. If anything before this game "would die" they would probably just make it F2P.

[svengalis]

Quality has gone down, how many updates before caused such a large amount of lost subs, such an outrage of players, or changed the direction of the game so radically as to flip the entire design on its head? Sure, they amount of things they pack into an update has gone up, the quantity has gone up, the quality is not nearly as high as it should be though, it is sorely lacking!

I disagree with this, the updates have gotten better, it's why I resubscribed in May. They are adding new areas, armor, fixes and events for us to do? What exactly do guys expect from an update? We are getting alot more content then we did last year. Now, if you don't have the expansion or choose to not partake in events in the expansion I can see where your complaints are coming from.

[Alerith]

I disagree with this, the updates have gotten better, it's why I resubscribed in May. They are adding new areas, armor, fixes and events for us to do? What exactly do guys expect from an update? We are getting alot more content then we did last year. Now, if you don't have the expansion or choose to not partake in events in the expansion I can see where your complaints are coming from.

Quantity of content does not equal quality of content. Yes, they've added new areas, which aren't too bad. They've added new gear, which is a huge issue right now due to the strength of said gear. They've also released new events, which they've either swiftly invalidated or have completely erased the desire to do any content previous.

And what fixes have they released? SMN is still at the bottom of the pool, only Aegischain PLDs are feasible, the merit options for RUN and GEO are both laughable at best and we're still waiting for Avatars that were mentioned years ago in addition to new 1hr abilities completely falling off the map.

Yes, they've released a lot in recent updates. A lot of crap.

[Demon6324236]

They are adding new areas, armor, fixes and events for us to do?This is quantity, not quality, most of the areas are nice, armor is ok, fixes where, and events of which for the most part completely eclipsed most of the other events in the game from over the last decade. Now that last part to me is a deal breaker with calling it a good thing, or high quality, areas are fine, fixes for anything involving me at least seem non-existent, I main RDM, I need some. Armor is mostly just slight side-grades as per usual taking up more space in my inventory, and outdating things which were much harder to get.


What exactly do guys expect from an update?Cait Sigh, UI, Inventory, a Full Expansion rather than 1/4th of what I paid for, RDM fixes, SMN fixes, new SPs, and basically anything else I can not think of right now that was announced, talked about, and not introduced as of yet.


We are getting alot more content then we did last year.Because while they did the 1/4th of the expansion were playing now they were starving us of new content, so yeah, of course we are getting more now.


Now, if you don't have the expansion or choose to not partake in events in the expansion I can see where your complaints are coming from.I do, I am, I wish I weren't, because this expansion has brought so many problems with it that they are ignoring. It feels like they are just pushing everything forward, taking no time to fix things, they don't have the man power to do both at the same time from how it looks sitting where I am, if I'm wrong, please let me know. To me, it seems like they are trying to do everything they had plans to do, except the plans they talked about once and never again or past promises, and then maybe, possibly, in the far future, come back and fix the problems they created along the way.