For Goodness sake Can we get a New Thief's Knife!?

[Babygyrl]

Okay i know this topic has probably been beaten to death, but I just came back from a year break, and i see this great new delve dagger, i also have a mandau, but for Th purposes this has made the Thief's Knife more Gimp the never! Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get a new Thief's Knife?! TH 1 is fine but some more damage please! Or make the current one upgradable, or something, it makes me cringe in dynamis when i have to th and my off hand is doing 30 damage and main is doing 80+ please! constantly taking it off just wastes TP too :(

[Delvish]

Step 1: Toss THF knife
Step 2: Equip something worthwhile
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit

[Karah]

Thief's knife has been relegated to only being used for the first hit of NM content, and multiboxed mules where the thief is used to "autoattack" or hit things once and ignored.

Just stop using it, you're only wasting your time even bothering. ESPECIALLY with dynamis.

Not to detract from the statements that thief's knife DOES need a massive improvement.

Just stop using it until they fix it (aka never).

[Lithera]

An upgrade would be nice for sure, but, as Karah said, you only need it for the first hit. You'll get TH upgrades even with it off. If a change IS made though it should be upgrading the existing knife. A brand new blade would likely just make people demand THFs use both the old and new knives or GTFO.

[Babekeke]

This (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/22526-Thief-s-Knife-Updated.) poor (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/17000-Thief-s-knife-upgrade) horse (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/13514-A-Simple-Request-from-Thieves-An-upgrade-to-Thief-s-Knife.)... (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/3186-Marauder-s-Knife-%28AF1-Weapon%29) Q.Q (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/3296-Upgrade-trial-for-thief-s-knife)

[Vold]

An upgrade would be nice for sure, but, as Karah said, you only need it for the first hit. You'll get TH upgrades even with it off. If a change IS made though it should be upgrading the existing knife. A brand new blade would likely just make people demand THFs use both the old and new knives or GTFO.Technically you need to full time your TH gear for max effect over time. Which basically means if you're going to bother equipping TH gear x3 to get that TH7 on a mob, you really do need to full time it or you're wasting your time caring about TH effect at all.

I understand SEs point of view on this, trade DPS for TH. But with that understanding I expect them to return the favor, and the base dmg on Thief's Knife just isn't going to fly anymore. Before you could live with it, but Delve has changed the game and if they expect us to full time TH gear for max effect then they have to throw us a better off hand bone. Just how it is. They can continue status quo if they want, but it ain't doing them any favors when a new knife will take a few hours at most to design( copy/paste job with some number changes, can't possibly take THAT long to do) and decide where to drop it off in game. I can't wait for that to ultimately be given to some hard ass or annoying to get into content to motivate THF to go after the knife, but eh so be it.

[Babygyrl]

Technically you need to full time your TH gear for max effect over time. Which basically means if you're going to bother equipping TH gear x3 to get that TH7 on a mob, you really do need to full time it or you're wasting your time caring about TH effect at all.

I understand SEs point of view on this, trade DPS for TH. But with that understanding I expect them to return the favor, and the base dmg on Thief's Knife just isn't going to fly anymore. Before you could live with it, but Delve has changed the game and if they expect us to full time TH gear for max effect then they have to throw us a better off hand bone. Just how it is. They can continue status quo if they want, but it ain't doing them any favors when a new knife will take a few hours at most to design( copy/paste job with some number changes, can't possibly take THAT long to do) and decide where to drop it off in game. I can't wait for that to ultimately be given to some hard ass or annoying to get into content to motivate THF to go after the knife, but eh so be it.

Thank you! :) I do swap it out by like i said it gets annoying because i dont solo dynamis so i always have to swap out and always lose the tp. so half the time i just dont bother and keep it on. I'd imagine they'd make the thf effect sub hand only or something so you couldnt use both.. Honestly i was just surprised that after a year off they would have addressed this by now and its surprising that nothing was ever done. But then again its SE so i shouldn't be surprised huh?

[Nebo]

Raising TH effect really holds no bearing on anything in SoA. So If anyone is asking you to use TK in those activities, I would suggest you stop going with them

...well maybe you should keep going with them. Not many groups would even take a THF to fracture farming or Delve NMs. THF is an even weaker DD than it was pre-delve weapons and TH is really irrelevant to both of these activities. So if they do take you, this is probably an even further indication of this leader's lack of knowledge, skill, and overall ability to get high plasm counts, Kill NMS etc...but I digress.

Killspeed concerns aside, the difference between TH6 and TH 7 is something you will never see make a difference in your actual number of drops yielded for anything relevant (Dynamis, Delve farming). Taking killspeed into acount, offhanding thief's knife instead of a far superior dagger will be a detriment (not a benefit) to total drops earned).

Unless you are doing something like Kings (where you would be single wielding TK to build max TH anyway), I suggest you just stop using it.

If someone is asking you to TH mobs in Delve for airlixirs...see above comment about knowledge and skill. The best (only?) viable use for a THF in fracture farming is to pull massive amounts of fodder mobs without death, or to sac pull NMs/Bosses. But I see almost no THFs that have the gear sets, movement speed or skill/knowledge of the areas to pull more effectively than a BRD can.

The sad reality is that most of us are not worth an alliance slot in the first place (not even for Treasure Hunter). A Thief's knife upgrade should be the very least of your worries if your goal is get invited to anything that matters on THF.

You should be looking more for fixes to:

The general weakness of Daggers and dual wielding them at the point of accessing delve.
The general lack of edngame relavence (and weakness) of the Treasure Hunter Trait (not being worth a party slot in SoA events).
The weakness of ALL Dagger WS.
Weak DD amplified by positional AND timer restrictions (very unreaosnable for today's gameplay).
No enmity control abilities that are worth anything.
No "Thief-like" abilities (Steal, Aurasetal, Despoil Mug, Collaborator, etc) that are worth anything


I could go on but I'm going to stop there. Your focus should not be on upgrading Thief's knife. You could have the ability to dual wield 2 Mandau with TH+2 on both of them and it still wouldn't change anything for Thief.

You should be asking SE why everything the THF job gets is so weak, why nothing the job offers is worth an alliance slot in endgame content and what they plan to do about it?

"Nothing" (or most likely no response at all) is probably the answer you will get. They either don't know or don't care how bad THF has it right now.

[Kombys]

just dont use Thief's knife, TH is the worst TH and you still can get decent drop with TH7

[FrankReynolds]

I just keep it in inventory. If anyone comments that I don't have it equipped I say "oh ! o.0 I didn't notice... My bad" and equip it for how ever long it takes for them to stop paying attention again. Then I go back to what I was using.

[Babekeke]

I can't remember the last time that I even used thief's knife. Probably when I was last killing aspid to get black belt, and then I was single-wielding it until we got TH12, then got rid to kill.

[Mittenz]

Not to say a new thief knife would not be welcomed but you do realize people will just expect you to have both making it pointless because you will just main the good one and off the normal one.

[FrankReynolds]

Not to say a new thief knife would not be welcomed but you do realize people will just expect you to have both making it pointless because you will just main the good one and off the normal one.

Additional Effect - Treasure Hunter +5 (does not stack with other gear)

They could easily put this on a ranged item and instantly make every thief on the planet happy, but they love the fact that it pisses everyone off. Square Enix likes it when you can't get what you want out of their games. They are willing to pay billions to ensure that you never feel completely satisfied.

I believe they function much like an add company. They don't care what you are saying. They gauge the success of their decisions by the number of comments.

200 happy posts = fail!
50,000 angry posts = win!

I don't know if they are afraid that people will just quit if they ever get what they want or what, but I can tell you that they have never tried to find out in this game.

[Babekeke]

Not to say a new thief knife would not be welcomed but you do realize people will just expect you to have both making it pointless because you will just main the good one and off the normal one.

Maybe I was too subtle when I quoted the last 5 threads in which this topic has already been flogged to death:


This (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/22526-Thief-s-Knife-Updated.) poor (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/17000-Thief-s-knife-upgrade) horse (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/13514-A-Simple-Request-from-Thieves-An-upgrade-to-Thief-s-Knife.)... (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/3186-Marauder-s-Knife-%28AF1-Weapon%29) Q.Q (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/3296-Upgrade-trial-for-thief-s-knife)

Take a minute to read through them to see that the 'latent effect: TH+' with latent being activated by not having thfs knife equipped has already been said a hundred times.

[Babygyrl]

As i Said i know this has been Beaten to death.. BUT change doesnt happen unless you voice your opinion and I personally would like to get a new thief's knife.. thats all there is to it.

[Babekeke]

As i Said i know this has been Beaten to death.. BUT change doesnt happen unless you voice your opinion and I personally would like to get a new thief's knife.. thats all there is to it.

A better thief's knife won't change the fact that TH has very little effect above TH3 anyway.

[FrankReynolds]

A better thief's knife won't change the fact that TH has very little effect above TH3 anyway.

Not only that, but it would probably just be another crappy piece of equipment to wear. It would be far better to ask for something that get's rid of the need for TH+ gear entirely.

[Eri]

Main Issue is... If they made another thfs knife ppl would expect you to wear both.

Either
1. SE decides to Upgrade the old one.
or
2. Just stop useing it.

I personally went with 2. and i'm happy about it.

[FrankReynolds]

Main Issue is... If they made another thfs knife ppl would expect you to wear both.

Either
1. SE decides to Upgrade the old one.
or
2. Just stop useing it.

I personally went with 2. and i'm happy about it.


I've said it a few time before. They can simply add a piece that negates the TH from other items.

IE:
Raider's Boomerang +5: Enhances dual wield ability - TH +5 (does not stack with TH from other Items)


There would be no point in wearing other TH+ gear unless it totaled more than TH+5. See how that works? And in the throwing slot instead of the dagger slot no less. A weapon that doesn't completely screw a job that is already completely screwed.

[Karah]

Or they could just come out and finally admit that TH above 3 doesn't do jack diddly shit, so people will stop caring.

[Delvish]

I've said it a few time before. They can simply add a piece that negates the TH from other items.

IE:
Raider's Boomerang +5: Enhances dual wield ability - TH +5 (does not stack with TH from other Items)


There would be no point in wearing other TH+ gear unless it totaled more than TH+5. See how that works? And in the throwing slot instead of the dagger slot no less. A weapon that doesn't completely screw a job that is already completely screwed.

I have one issue with this and that is if new TH gear arises, this piece then becomes moot and we have to wear the whole set again. The only way to upgrade the THF knife is to change the knife itself or a new knife with a latent trigger being the old unequipped.

[FrankReynolds]

I have one issue with this and that is if new TH gear arises, this piece then becomes moot and we have to wear the whole set again.

Why wouldn't they just make the next piece exactly the same but with higher TH? Just to negate the usefulness of the previous piece? Why not just make the next piece another ranged item with a higher TH stat that also doesn't stack with the knife etc?


The only way to upgrade the THF knife is to change the knife itself or a new knife with a latent trigger being the old unequipped.

No it isn't. They can put treasure hunter on any piece of equipment they want or even remove it from equipment completely. If they put it on a new dagger, we will be back here begging them to get rid of it again as soon as they do because it will inevitably suck and it will inevitably get worse in comparison with every new dagger that comes out after it.

Best to put the crap stat in a crap item slot, or no item slot at all. This whole idea of making a gimp job equip gimp items to further gimp them for the sake of a gimp stat that doesn't even have an effect on any of the recent content is getting really old. The people who came up with this stuff should be ashamed of themselves and so should anyone who promotes it.