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Edyth

06-12-2013, 02:28 AM

First, read this thread if you haven't:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/34512-NPC-Popularity-Contest-%28NA%29?p=444032#post444032

Then vote Tenzen and in the details portion of the questionairre, specify that Phoenix leaves his blade and the Prime Avatar becomes available. It's a popularity contest, so if he gets the most votes, that bird may come out of Tenzen's blade and meet the tips of our blades, and then she could become available to summoners.

Worst case scenario, if Tenzen wins, we may get Phoenix as an NM with treasure drops. Best case, new avatar. Either way, we should finally get to SEE Phoenix in FFXI.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121216000311/finalfantasy/images/thumb/2/27/Tenzen_Phoenix_(FFXI).png/500px-Tenzen_Phoenix_(FFXI).png

http://i41.tinypic.com/2u5erz5.jpg

Babekeke

06-12-2013, 03:50 AM

And we get to wait another 10 years for them to come up with an avatar... I don't think I could take the suspense.

Mokeil

06-12-2013, 10:52 AM

Oh my... A chance I've always wanted... I doubt it'll get enough traction to win, but I don't think I can pass it up entirely. Let's see...

I would like a quest featuring Tenzen, wherein Phoenix is freed from his sword and is able to be reborn. Moreover, in keeping with the anniversary's themes of remembering the past, this quest line will also lightly revisit some of Vana'diel's greatest stories.

It will begin with us receiving a tersely worded message from Esha'ntarl, asking us to meet her “at our old gathering spot” (the Marble Bridge Tavern). She’ll inform us that the thousands of souls used to repower Tenzen’s blade all those years ago have begun to grow restless, fusing into a dark gestalt consciousness of pure anger. Tenzen has requested our help in purifying those souls; we are to meet him in Aht Urhgan, to escort him to the Cradle of Rebirth atop the Paradamo Tor.

All is not so easy, however! Upon arriving in Whitegate, we will discover that he has gone missing from his hotel. Luckily, we aren’t the only one’s investigating the odd occurances in Aht Urghan. Our old friend Gessho will lend us a hand in unraveling the mystery, for it seems the angry gestalt has caused a certain Dark Rider to take notice…

As the quest line continues to unfold, we will learn that the ones who are ultimately responsible for starting this chain of events will turn out to be the remaining members of the Armathrwn Society who have decided not to accept Esha’ntarl’s path, and thus seek to once more to return to Paradise.

In hoping to use Phoenix’s powers of rebirth to return their fallen princes to life, they awakened the souls of those sacrificed to Tenzen’s blade, seeking to draw Tenzen forth from the Far East, where their influence is weakest.

As we seek to aid Tenzen in removing the Armathrwn Society's fell influence in preparation of purifying the sword, we should find ourselves traveling across most of Vana'diel. Along the way, we should encounter many of the other NPCs prominent NPC companions we've had over the years - each one investigating the disturbances in their own ways. (A common thread to these meetings should always be something along the lines of, "Though it has been years since we last met, and though our roads carried us apart, it seems we still act as one." The Distant Worlds theme should get to play in these as well.)

Ultimately, the Armathrwn Society will not notice that the angry gestalt was given power by Odin, and it will slip from their control at the very end. Unleashed upon the world with no tethers, the angry gestalt now threatens to become a new Shadow Lord, made stronger by Phoenix’s suborned powers.

The final battle should be in the Empyreal Paradox, against a possessed Tenzen, who has just drawn Selh'teus into his blade. Naturally, Tenzen should also be able to wield his signature Cosmic Elucidation skill chain. The final rewards should be both the ability to summon Phoenix and the ability to create Cosmic Elucidation.

What do you guys think? Suitably epic enough for submitting? Perhaps a little too epic for a mere quest line?! Or am I just cheating a bit too much by having it be a thinly veiled attempt to just get to revisit every NPC and not just the one named in the contest?

Gannon

06-13-2013, 07:26 AM

Now it's been a while since I did CoP, but didn't Phoenix merge with Selh'teus before you fight Promathia?

Mokeil

06-13-2013, 08:47 AM

Now it's been a while since I did CoP, but didn't Phoenix merge with Selh'teus before you fight Promathia?

Ah... Er...

Hmmm...

You know? Now that you've said that, I'm not sure now. It has been way too long since I've done those. I know Selh'teus was partly infused with some of Phoenix's power... Hrm. Good thing I haven't submitted it yet! Does anyone remember for certain? Guess it's time to head to the ole paradox to see a goblin....

Well, if so, I would just need to make slight tweaks to the beginning and ends (mostly in planned dialogue/exposition), as there were definitely thousands of lives sacrificed to fuel Phoenix's spirit within the blade, and those souls would still be tainting the blade. Then, near the end when the gestalt breaks free of any controls, the maddened entity recalls... another power... one it once knew, once tasted, once... was a part of. And it knows where to find it again...

Dun dun DUNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!! (Cue crashing thunder in the background, and a race to the Empyreal Paradox!)

Also, thanks for pointing out the potential plot hole! I would feel really silly making a submission like this and then mucking up on part of the basic premise.

Kojo

06-13-2013, 01:23 PM

Now it's been a while since I did CoP, but didn't Phoenix merge with Selh'teus before you fight Promathia?

Yes, his wings were actually Phoenix's wings.

Trumpy

06-13-2013, 04:05 PM

I dont even know what was goin on most the time for CoPs. seemed like people were flippin back and forth from good guy to bad guy. And then i did them so long ago i really dont remember much of it at all.

Archades

06-13-2013, 06:53 PM

hate me if you want i submitted bahamut >.> rather take chance to see him as a astral flow avatar. considering how his personality is, be lucky to get that from him XD

Trumpy

06-14-2013, 01:40 AM

forever ago they said they wouldnt do bahamut due to not wanting to make a gimp version of him (they want to do him justice) and he was just way way way to big

Babekeke

06-14-2013, 04:05 AM

forever ago they said they wouldnt do bahamut due to not wanting to make a gimp version of him (they want to do him justice) and he was just way way way to big

They should have given us 'Baby Bahamut' as an avatar. Wyvern sized and not too poweerful, with a storyline of how he grew in power and strength as he aged.

Mokeil

06-14-2013, 05:09 AM

hate me if you want i submitted bahamut >.> rather take chance to see him as a astral flow avatar. considering how his personality is, be lucky to get that from him XD

It would be kind of nice to know what he's been doing these past few years. So far as we know, he's just sort of been chillin' out in Riverne - with a small army of dragons - doing nothing....

"He's too powerful" was always a pretty lame excuse, as there can be dozens of story reasons why his power might be limited. Like, oh, that fellow with the doll who's been siphoning power from the avatars for over a decade now....

Heck, even the Celestials make it clear we're only getting a small fraction of their power when they give us their Whispers.

And, honestly? We've saved the world half a dozen times already. Even Mr. Arrogant-Pants Dragon has got to admit we're pretty OK by now. I can totally see a quest line that ends with an exausted (slightly de-powered and smaller in stature) Bahamut who agrees to "temporarily" ally with you while he recovers his power.

Archades

06-14-2013, 06:12 AM

ya a Astral flow only version of him wouldn't have too much of an issue for size

Trumpy

06-16-2013, 01:18 PM

I always thot they could make a smaller version cause its jsut a avatar of the main man himself. But i understand their point.

Edyth

06-19-2013, 01:32 AM

I know they said a while back that AoE targeting of KO'd players isn't possible, so I think Phoenix should be an Astral Flow avatar that doesn't cancel Astral Flow when used, so you can summon her multiple times during the ability. She'd revive one player with no weakened status, no experience loss, and full HP.

This way, Phoenix wouldn't completely step on Arise, since Phoenix would only be available a few minutes every hour, she wouldn't grant Reraise, and she'd consume 100% of the summoner's MP, in addition to requiring that Astral Flow hadn't already been used recently for another purpose, such as Alexander.

I don't think it's too overpowered: it's basically a chance to pretend one player didn't just die. If that player really deserves to be dead, then it will happen again quickly, maintaining the homeostasis of Vana'diel.

Jerbob

06-19-2013, 03:28 AM

I really don't think we should be setting ourselves up to fail by even entertaining the idea of Astral Flow only "avatars". There's no mechanical reason why such things are any less overpowered than proper avatars that also happen to have a potent ability available under Astral Flow. In terms of Odin and Alexander, Perfect Defence (and ostensibly Zantetsuken) are very powerful abilities but they're tied to Astral Flow regardless of how the rest of the avatar works.

I'm sure any of us could write a balanced SMN01 >> SMN99 Blood Pact progression and accompanying acquisition quest for Phoenix. Some of us almost certainly have. The same goes for Bahamut. Everyone's made the point that we only summon a fraction of an avatar's power so the innate power of an avatar is irrelevant. I mean, those who've done some WotG stuff need only look at Atomos' capabilities, and SE apparently have no "power" excuses for him - just the standard excuses.

I know any decent avatar being produced by SE in the future is unlikely, but that just means we need to vocalise our expectations even louder and at a higher level. We shouldn't settle for baseline unless there are literally no other options.

Alhanelem

06-25-2013, 09:50 AM

Nakts

06-25-2013, 02:40 PM

A smaller Bahamut would be spiffy, they could call it, I don't know, Bahamut Zero or something.

Powder

06-26-2013, 08:23 PM

And we get to wait another 10 years for them to come up with an avatar... I don't think I could take the suspense.

Just read what is coming on next update........./em sends out a search party for Cait Sith. So disappointing my excitement for this avatar got slapped to ground. I don't think we will be getting her. All we get is build ups for big let downs so why hope for other avatar when we don't get the ones already promised? Such lies.

Babekeke

07-03-2013, 02:41 AM

At least we are finally getting our new SP ability which, unlike many of the others, is actually pretty dam nifty! ^^

FaeQueenCory

07-05-2013, 03:03 AM

Now it's been a while since I did CoP, but didn't Phoenix merge with Selh'teus before you fight Promathia?

Yes, his wings were actually Phoenix's wings.

Yes and no... The Phoenix shard contained withing Tenzen's blade fused with Selh'teus... giving him those wings I want so bad...
He essentially became an avatar of sorts for Phoenix... kinda. Metaphysics is complicated.
But suffice it to say, there are many shards of Phoenix that can be awoken and thus, summonable avatars of Her.
And even the shard in Tenzen's sword can be "reawoken" because the other shards of Her exist.