Continuing FFXI Monthly Fee Discount [Archive]

LunaticVoice

03-23-2011, 03:26 AM

Krashport

03-23-2011, 05:17 AM

Greetings,

I have started this thread as a request to continue the discount to the Final Fantasy XI monthly fee when also subscribed to Final Fantasy XIV. I am considering going back to XI and that would solidify my decision. My other suggestion is that if a continued discount is not feasible, offer a free month of play for new or returning XI players who also bought XIV. I have hope for XIV, but currently there isn't a lot to do so I want something to enjoy while the XIV updates continue to progress. If you agree or have further suggestions, please post them in this thread.

I think Final Fantasy XI Subscription fees should be cut in half cause we're only paying for Updates and add-ons, Once SE drops PS2 (Outdated console) and the limitations with it, fees then should go back to normal. Having FFXIV and FFXI shouldn't be the only way to get a discount. Maybe give back to the players that been playing a very long time, Every 2 years take 2$ off the Subscription fee, until it hits 5.99 a month.

Tsukino_Kaji

03-23-2011, 05:23 AM

I think Final Fantasy XI Subscription fees should be cut in half cause we're only paying for Updates and add-ons, Once SE drops PS2 (Outdated console) and the limitations with it, fees then should go back to normal. Having FFXIV and FFXI shouldn't be the only way to get a discount. Maybe give back to the players that been playing a very long time and every 2 years you 2$ off the Subscription fee, until it hits 5.99 a month.Sound reasoning. ^^

Runespider

03-23-2011, 05:33 AM

I have started this thread as a request to continue the discount to the Final Fantasy XI monthly fee when also subscribed to Final Fantasy XIV. I am considering going back to XI and that would solidify my decision. My other suggestion is that if a continued discount is not feasible, offer a free month of play for new or returning XI players who also bought XIV. I have hope for XIV, but currently there isn't a lot to do so I want something to enjoy while the XIV updates continue to progress. If you agree or have further suggestions, please post them in this thread.

You get FFXIV for free, you won't get a discount on 11 too >_> You will only get the discount when they charge you for both games, they never started the discount thing.

I think Final Fantasy XI Subscription fees should be cut in half cause we're only paying for Updates and add-ons, Once SE drops PS2 (Outdated console) and the limitations with it, fees then should go back to normal. Having FFXIV and FFXI shouldn't be the only way to get a discount. Maybe give back to the players that been playing a very long time, Every 2 years take 2$ off the Subscription fee, until it hits 5.99 a month.

FFXI subs pay for FFXIV to be run for free, they won't lower the subscription fee cause most of us are too stupid to take action if they don't. I cut my monthly FFXI costs from nearly £50 to £18 by canceling alts/family accounts etc so i'm happy to be giving them less money to waste on FFXIV at least.

katoplepa

03-23-2011, 05:46 AM

XI is alive and kicking, there is a lot of stuffs to do and the game is still great as ever!
it's correct to pay in full a fee for a good product, as is correct to no-pay for a fail product...

Zyeriis

03-23-2011, 05:53 AM

XI is alive and kicking, there is a lot of stuffs to do and the game is still great as ever!
it's correct to pay in full a fee for a good product, as is correct to no-pay for a fail product...

We're no longer also paying for work on new content, because of ps2 limitations. Thus the price should be lowered or ps2 support demolished. I'll pay it nonetheless, until the game dies, which won't take long without expansions.

Tsukino_Kaji

03-23-2011, 05:55 AM

We're no longer also paying for work on new content, because of ps2 limitations. Thus the price should be lowered or ps2 support demolished. I'll pay it nonetheless, until the game dies, which won't take long without expansions.We are already at that limit. Lots of people have finished abyssea and the busy work associated with it.

Chronofantasy

03-23-2011, 06:13 AM

Don't worry, I doubt SE will finish the game and they probably have another expansion in the works or nearly done. If it's not a full expansion then it's at least mini expansion add-ons. By the way, does SE still have two separate teams that work on expansions? I remember reading a long time ago that there's two SE teams that alternate on expansions like one worked on CoP while the other worked on Aht Urgan and the one who worked on CoP worked on WotG or something like that.

LunaticVoice

03-23-2011, 06:57 AM

I just found out that people who bought XIV were not getting discounts because the billing cycle didn't start, I made this post assuming they did (since it is advertised on the XIV site) and made an error in doing so.

However, I do think the game needs to be more conducive to new and returning players on the account/billing side as well as the game itself. Why does PlayOnline still exist when everyone hates it? Do enough people play the PS2 version that it has to be maintained? I don't see why SE doesn't just comp PS2 users the game and cut off support, it seems to just be holding back the development of the game.

I agree that the game deserves a subscription fee, but I just think it needs to made more convenient to sign up for since modern gamers expect at least a base level of convenience and support that is not offered by SE. My problem is mostly with PlayOnline and I wish they'd just switch everything over to the Square Enix Account Management System since that seems to work quite well.

LunaticVoice

03-23-2011, 06:59 AM

You get FFXIV for free, you won't get a discount on 11 too >_> You will only get the discount when they charge you for both games, they never started the discount thing.

I paid $75 for the collector's edition of a game that wasn't even complete enough to be considered an open beta and have provided testing and feedback for them for months now. I'd say that is a pretty good reason to give a discount, especially considering if I want to get anything done in XI I'll need to spend $30 on Abyssea.

Amanie

03-23-2011, 07:06 AM

I paid $75 for the collector's edition of a game that wasn't even complete enough to be considered an open beta and have provided testing and feedback for them for months now. I'd say that is a pretty good reason to give a discount, especially considering if I want to get anything done in XI I'll need to spend $30 on Abyssea.

whos fault was it for picking to play the wrong game!!! i have no sympathy for defecting

Chocobits

03-23-2011, 07:10 AM

Wholeheartedly agree with sentiments on the first page.

If SE is going to continue to support obsolete hardware (PS2) that bottlenecks performance, inhibits innovation and dooms us to a mediocre gaming experience, we should have our monthly fee cut in half. Or, conversely, double the price of PS2 users. Make it cheaper for the cheap ba^&$#!s to upgrade to a 360 or a PC.

Haglaz

03-23-2011, 07:12 AM

whos fault was it for picking to play the wrong game!!! i have no sympathy for defecting

lol...defecting, cute! ~.o

Yarly

03-23-2011, 07:12 AM

We're no longer also paying for work on new content, because of ps2 limitations. Thus the price should be lowered or ps2 support demolished.

Ignorance is amazing. lol...

Zyeriis

03-23-2011, 07:16 AM

Ignorance is amazing. lol...

I know, right? Because we've had the addition of new areas and stuff since WotG, oh wait...no they're just recycled textures. They've announced the next actual expansion pack before their last one's story was concluded like they always do...oh wait...The Add-ons in no way expanded the game, merely rewrote it. Ignorance is amazing.

Nataskiller

03-23-2011, 07:24 AM

has anyone started a pension to SE about upgrading graphics?? honestly my computer has 3gbs of memory and i have windows 7...a huge upgrade on graphics maybe a bad thing for certain users who's computer lacks RAM.

NightDagger

03-23-2011, 08:30 AM

Arltery

03-23-2011, 08:40 AM

we just got the last abyssea in December. How often do you want new content????

Abyssea wasn't new content it was zones that already existed reskinned with different mobs that were just rehashes of mobs outside of abyssea. Don't get me wrong, it's fun, but it's not really new content, just different quests and items in rehashed zones.

Tsukino_Kaji

03-23-2011, 08:41 AM

NightDagger

03-23-2011, 08:45 AM

Abyssea wasn't new content it was zones that already existed reskinned with different mobs that were just rehashes of mobs outside of abyssea. Don't get me wrong, it's fun, but it's not really new content, just different quests and items in rehashed zones.

I understand what you mean but I do not know if they will give new areas (not old ones revamped) they could even make ToAU like abyssea next .... just a thought

Tsukino_Kaji

03-23-2011, 08:47 AM

I understand what you mean but I do not know if they will give new areas (not old ones revamped) they could even make ToAU like abyssea next .... just a thoughtThey still have dieties protecting them. The interdimentional appocalyps only aplies to us hethens.

Arltery

03-23-2011, 08:47 AM

Ooooh Caedarva [A]

Alhanelem

03-23-2011, 08:59 AM

Greetings,

I have started this thread as a request to continue the discount to the Final Fantasy XI monthly fee when also subscribed to Final Fantasy XIV. I am considering going back to XI and that would solidify my decision. My other suggestion is that if a continued discount is not feasible, offer a free month of play for new or returning XI players who also bought XIV. I have hope for XIV, but currently there isn't a lot to do so I want something to enjoy while the XIV updates continue to progress. If you agree or have further suggestions, please post them in this thread.
The discount has never been applied due to the fact that everyone is still in a free trial period. It's actually uknown at this point if we will get the discount when FFXIV finally becomes a paid service.

Krashport

03-23-2011, 10:40 AM

The discount has never been applied due to the fact that everyone is still in a free trial period. It's actually uknown at this point if we will get the discount when FFXIV finally becomes a paid service.

So... People Bought FFXIV... 75-ish$? Those people put in for the discount as to where you can cut FFXI price... Now those people have to wait... Until FFXIV is fixed, In order to get that discount? Hmmm sounds unfair to me. I know those people aren't paying for FFXIV but then again those people didn't know it was in Beta form when it was released, Did the Box that it came in say: Beta also after all those people paid 75ish!!! for a game....

Zyeriis

03-23-2011, 11:28 AM

we just got the last abyssea in December. How often do you want new content????

Content probably wasn't the right word. Perhaps I should've added an adjective. The problem here is there are so many adjectives I could've added. Such as: New Job Content, New Area Content, Non-rehashed textures Content, Full-length expansive Content, Expansion-pack level Content, the list goes on. Abbysea didn't add anything that was actually new to the game. You can argue that it added quests but, again, that's not what I am refering to. I want things like CoP and ToAU and WotG which are now impossibilities, yet I am still paying the same price per month.

LunaticVoice

03-23-2011, 11:45 AM

Why is Square Enix holding onto PS2 players? There can't be that many, and every computer made within the last 5 years can run FFXI perfectly. I don't see why they don't just discontinue PS2 service and give all the PS2 users PC or 360 versions of all the content they've purchased. That way we could actually get brand-new areas, updated graphics, HD resolutions, and more than 30 FPS.

Gaspee

03-23-2011, 11:47 AM

Krashport

03-23-2011, 11:53 AM

RAIST

03-23-2011, 11:54 AM

Content probably wasn't the right word. Perhaps I should've added an adjective. The problem here is there are so many adjectives I could've added. Such as: New Job Content, New Area Content, Non-rehashed textures Content, Full-length expansive Content, Expansion-pack level Content, the list goes on. Abbysea didn't add anything that was actually new to the game. You can argue that it added quests but, again, that's not what I am refering to. I want things like CoP and ToAU and WotG which are now impossibilities, yet I am still paying the same price per month.

Abyssea wasn't new content it was zones that already existed reskinned with different mobs that were just rehashes of mobs outside of abyssea. Don't get me wrong, it's fun, but it's not really new content, just different quests and items in rehashed zones.

New quests and cutscenes/dialogues, new items, new mobs, and reskined mobs/areas added with the add-ons are technically new content--as in it is still new entries in the database and DID increase the size of the games footprint as it increased the contents of the game folder's size and/or file count. The bigger difference in the expansions is they added all new zones with new mobs specific to their areas--but both TAU and WotG ALSO had reskinned mobs with updated stats (and WotG did a lot of reskinning of the zones, most the orginal wireframes are intact)--some mobs weren't even reskinned, just renamed and given different stats.

You should actually be lobbying for more UNIQUE content--as in new zones, new unique monsters.

Zyeriis

03-23-2011, 12:00 PM

New quests and cutscenes/dialogues, new items, new mobs, and reskined mobs/areas added with the add-ons are technically new content--as in it is still new entries in the database and DID increase the size of the games footprint as it increased the contents of the game folder's size and/or file count. The bigger difference in the expansions is they added all new zones with new mobs specific to their areas--but both TAU and WotG ALSO had reskinned mobs with updated stats (and WotG did a lot of reskinning of the zones, most the orginal wireframes are intact)--some mobs weren't even reskinned, just renamed and given different stats.

You should actually be lobbying for more UNIQUE content--as in new zones, new unique monsters.

Eh, WotG added Campaign and 3 new zones. Other than that, yeah, you're right. I've argued in the past that WotG was the starting point for the ps2 truly holding us back but, it still did actually add some extra layers to the game, but it was the last instance of this. As for ToAU, it had way more than that. WotG and ToAU also added jobs (I guess CoP didn't but it more than made up for that). These are the things that are pretty much impossible now given what they've been giving us since 2008. Either way: I don't see us getting any full blown expansion packs again unless ps2 is dropped, so I don't feel we should be paying the same price until such a time. But again, I will regardless, in hope that it will change before things become too stagnant and the game dies.

NightDagger

03-23-2011, 12:56 PM

Eh, WotG added Campaign and 3 new zones. Other than that, yeah, you're right. I've argued in the past that WotG was the starting point for the ps2 truly holding us back but, it still did actually add some extra layers to the game, but it was the last instance of this. As for ToAU, it had way more than that. WotG and ToAU also added jobs (I guess CoP didn't but it more than made up for that). These are the things that are pretty much impossible now given what they've been giving us since 2008. Either way: I don't see us getting any full blown expansion packs again unless ps2 is dropped, so I don't feel we should be paying the same price until such a time. But again, I will regardless, in hope that it will change before things become too stagnant and the game dies.

I do agree with this. We have been paying same price for years & for years were getting our money's worth. You have a point that we are paying for nothing expect being able to play now. They suckered us into spend $60 bucks for 6 add-ons, with only 4 of them being worth it. I know I only paid 10 bucks for ToAU when it was released & it was well worth it, not $10 for an add-on.

Good points, good argument.

Should DEV Tag these idea's & see if you get any kind of answer ^^

katoplepa

03-23-2011, 03:07 PM

We're no longer also paying for work on new content, because of ps2 limitations. Thus the price should be lowered or ps2 support demolished. I'll pay it nonetheless, until the game dies, which won't take long without expansions.

First, you don't know if SE will introduce new contents like new areas, continents, mobs, cityes and so on, even if they drop the PS2 support, maybe they'll drop support but they'll never do the newest things you hope... SE never sayd that: sorry guys, we have 2 new continent : the gigas homeland and the orcish empire, but cause ps2 limitations we keep hold it in the closet..

after that, keep in mind that the game released Wotg (not completed lineup missions) years ago and then no new contents for a while, a long while... after 3 mini-add-ons, they released 3 Abyssea add-on representing the greatest revolution in the game since 8 years, all in a total of 6 months after years of immobility... not everyone has completed the abyssea stuffs and I think we can wait longer before seeing what they have in mind for step 95 and 99 without menace to quit for lack of new contents..

Zyeriis

03-23-2011, 03:37 PM

First, you don't know if SE will introduce new contents like new areas, continents, mobs, cityes and so on, even if they drop the PS2 support, maybe they'll drop support but they'll never do the newest things you hope... SE never sayd that: sorry guys, we have 2 new continent : the gigas homeland and the orcish empire, but cause ps2 limitations we keep hold it in the closet..

after that, keep in mind that the game released Wotg (not completed lineup missions) years ago and then no new contents for a while, a long while... after 3 mini-add-ons, they released 3 Abyssea add-on representing the greatest revolution in the game since 8 years, all in a total of 6 months after years of immobility... not everyone has completed the abyssea stuffs and I think we can wait longer before seeing what they have in mind for step 95 and 99 without menace to quit for lack of new contents..

You're missing the point. On the road we are on right now, with ps2 support: FFXI is doomed to stagnation. Abyssea and the add-ons didn't actually add anything new, and only Abyssea changed the game (through a rewrite rather than an extension of the game). I am fully aware they haven't announced any new content. If they announced that they will stop supporting the ps2 in a year, when they release a new expansion pack, I would find that more than reasonable.

But, again, I don't know if they'll introduce new content like new areas if they drop ps2 support (which would be simultaneous because they can't drop ps2 support if they aren't adding anything?)

At the very least, dropping the ps2 would mean there's at least a chance that they'd add content such as that, as they would be freed from those ridiculous constraints.

Zumi

03-23-2011, 05:09 PM

Kailea_Nagisa

03-23-2011, 10:11 PM

SE wont drop PS2, nor will they drop POL (POL is integrated with the game itself) Unless SE did some serious reprogramming dropping PS2 would not be some magic answer to everything.

NightDagger

03-23-2011, 11:12 PM

SE will never drop PS2 support. Suggesting it is like beating a dead horse. Still like 1/3 of the JP player base plays on PS2.

From a business point of view they would lose so many subs and money. Its not going to happen people.

Yeah just imagine how many JP play the game on PS2. I am sure it is more then 1/3 if you count dual boxers. maybe 1/3 play on PS2 fulltime but am sure more then half them use a PS2 either for main char. or dual boxing. You can not just tell them all to go buy something new. That is their baby & they will keep there baby till the game comes to an end.

LunaticVoice

03-24-2011, 03:34 AM

SE will never drop PS2 support. Suggesting it is like beating a dead horse. Still like 1/3 of the JP player base plays on PS2.

From a business point of view they would lose so many subs and money. Its not going to happen people.

Do you have a source for that statistic? Based on what I know about Japanese people (I lived in Tokyo for a year and majored in Japanese in college) even if that statistic was true, most Japanese people would just switch over to PC without complaining too much if the new content was worth it, and maybe a few isolated crazies would make videos of them breaking their game discs.

Zeroe

03-24-2011, 03:46 AM

Maybe after dropping ps2 support, then updating graphics should we pay full price. But idk its not really that expensive

Zyeriis

03-24-2011, 03:56 AM

Yeah just imagine how many JP play the game on PS2. I am sure it is more then 1/3 if you count dual boxers. maybe 1/3 play on PS2 fulltime but am sure more then half them use a PS2 either for main char. or dual boxing. You can not just tell them all to go buy something new. That is their baby & they will keep there baby till the game comes to an end.

First it's 30%, now it's 33.33%? Statistics (from over 2 years ago) are fantastic and always changing apparently. I'm sorry but, you are just pulling figures out of nowhere.

>_>; 90% of Statistics are Wrong.

NightDagger

03-24-2011, 04:46 AM

First it's 30%, now it's 33.33%? Statistics (from over 2 years ago) are fantastic and always changing apparently. I'm sorry but, you are just pulling figures out of nowhere.

>_>; 90% of Statistics are Wrong.

yep I agree with that, but if someone says 30% how to you respond to there thread without having actual stats? I am just giving an example as to how many JP do actually use PS2 not based on any specific numbers, just the fact it has been reported multiple times about how JP players prefer PS2 over PC or 360 ( I have no clue why ).

Off to play some Black Ops (wife just bought it she loves killing zombies lol)

Zyeriis

03-24-2011, 05:06 AM

yep I agree with that, but if someone says 30% how to you respond to there thread without having actual stats? I am just giving an example as to how many JP do actually use PS2 not based on any specific numbers, just the fact it has been reported multiple times about how JP players prefer PS2 over PC or 360 ( I have no clue why ).

Off to play some Black Ops (wife just bought it she loves killing zombies lol)

If the stats came from Square Enix themselves, then I would be inclined to actually believe them. Other than that, why should I even consider stats that came from an online survey on a site that claims that almost half the people of the world (60.984 per 132 people) have played ffxi, based on a survey to people who purchased ffxiii and took said survey (which was only 132 people)? Like I said, 90% of stats are made up.

P.S. Who the hell was the person that only counted as .984 of a person? Sucks to be him.

Edit: Survey statistics regarding the 132 people were taken from the front page, first article of
http://www.jpbutton.com/

NightDagger

03-24-2011, 11:14 AM

If the stats came from Square Enix themselves, then I would be inclined to actually believe them. Other than that, why should I even consider stats that came from an online survey on a site that claims that almost half the people of the world (60.984 per 132 people) have played ffxi, based on a survey to people who purchased ffxiii and took said survey (which was only 132 people)? Like I said, 90% of stats are made up.

P.S. Who the hell was the person that only counted as .984 of a person? Sucks to be him.

Edit: Survey statistics regarding the 132 people were taken from the front page, first article of
http://www.jpbutton.com/

god hope i was not that .984 of a person.

Man I think it was me ; ;

gonna go hide in a corner now that is just sad..........

annewandering

03-24-2011, 11:24 AM

Abyssea seems awfully unique to me. It might be the geographical twin of other areas but the game play is certainly different.
We are enjoying the game. I am kinda confused why anyone wants to get it free. Well no of course it would be cool if it were free but then it would stop getting new stuff. I kinda like to pay for what I get as well. They spend a lot of money getting the game to us and they deserve to be paid for it if we use it.