Idea for forum:

[TearValerin]

Volunteer moderators; after the community is established, SE should look for prime candidates to assist in keeping the peace amongst the boards. Look for examples of posters who assist the community, display their opinions without being detrimental/offensive, and just overall present a good example to the rest of the community. They can be monitored by the company to make sure they aren't abusing power, and/or harassing people. My idea would be:

-Give them the ability to lock, move, or delete threads that are inappropriate, or antagonistic
-Let them warn posters when their posts are becoming offensive to the point they will recieve punitive action from the main staff.
-Be arbitrators between company and playerbase for getting ideas acrossed in an orderly fashion
-Other ideas the company might have them do errandwise that I havent thought of.

[Auredant]

Volunteer moderators; after the community is established, SE should look for prime candidates to assist in keeping the peace amongst the boards. Look for examples of posters who assist the community, display their opinions without being detrimental/offensive, and just overall present a good example to the rest of the community. They can be monitored by the company to make sure they aren't abusing power, and/or harassing people. My idea would be:

-Give them the ability to lock, move, or delete threads that are inappropriate, or antagonistic
-Let them warn posters when their posts are becoming offensive to the point they will recieve punitive action from the main staff.
-Be arbitrators between company and playerbase for getting ideas acrossed in an orderly fashion
-Other ideas the company might have them do errandwise that I havent thought of.
If the company can moniter the people then they can monitor the threads. Not a terrible idea but it would soooo get abused. The only way it even remotely works is banning the moderator from participating in the discussion.

[TearValerin]

If the company can moniter the people then they can monitor the threads. Not a terrible idea but it would soooo get abused. The only way it even remotely works is banning the moderator from participating in the discussion.

How would it be abused? It's a common practice amongst free MMO forums, I see no reason why we could not have them. Especially when you think about it, I'm pretty sure SE has their hands full with projects/events outside of FF currently, they could probably use all the help they can get.

[Auredant]

How would it be abused? It's a common practice amongst free MMO forums, I see no reason why we could not have them. Especially when you think about it, I'm pretty sure SE has their hands full with projects/events outside of FF currently, they could probably use all the help they can get.
Many of these degenerate before the first page is done...and if the moderator is participating then he's not actually being objective. I think it would cause more problems than it solves sorry to say.

[Vinc]

Many of these degenerate before the first page is done...and if the moderator is participating then he's not actually being objective. I think it would cause more problems than it solves sorry to say.

I agree with this. No thanks to volunteer mods, unless it's Isladar.

[TearValerin]

Many of these degenerate before the first page is done...and if the moderator is participating then he's not actually being objective. I think it would cause more problems than it solves sorry to say.

It is easy to display an opinion without subjective bias, if a moderator touches base with the community in a way that that does not make the company look bad, how is it detrimental? It does not cause problems unless the moderator does not follow the boundary between work and play. I can direct you to a number of popular MMO forums where the moderators are all volunteer basis, and regulate things with a firm grasp of knowing as to where they stand between a player and a company representative.

[Alkalinehoe]

I nominate myself.

[Auredant]

It is easy to display an opinion without subjective bias, if a moderator touches base with the community in a way that that does not make the company look bad, how is it detrimental? It does not cause problems unless the moderator does not follow the boundary between work and play. I can direct you to a number of popular MMO forums where the moderators are all volunteer basis, and regulate things with a firm grasp of knowing as to where they stand between a player and a company representative.
Maybe I'm jaded because i see so much flaming/trolling going on. It's just my 2 cents but why would SE want a flood of complaints that this mod deleted my post or this mod banned me. That's where I think it would create more work for them.

[TearValerin]

Quite frankly, I think we need someone active and in good standing with the company to keep an eye on the boards. The huge number of ridiculous spam, repeat, and troll threads could be caught earlier and be merged and or locked/deleted like they belong. Keeping boards in orderly conduct should be a priority, but not at the cost of the company, since it's already taking cuts just so we can play. I really don't think people are that childish as to throw a fit that their thread got deleted, and volunteer moderators NEVER have the ability to deliver punitive action.

[Anon]

Too many bleeding hearts. Wouldn't work. If you want user moderated threads head on over to alla and ah. ki's another winner as well. You've always got bg as well. Those are community based website with user mods right? If that's what you want you can get it there.

[Ilax]

Too many bleeding hearts. Wouldn't work. If you want user moderated threads head on over to alla and ah. ki's another winner as well. You've always got bg as well. Those are community based website with user mods right? If that's what you want you can get it there.

True on that.

[MrWigglles]

Volunteer moderators; after the community is established, SE should look for prime candidates to assist in keeping the peace amongst the boards. Look for examples of posters who assist the community, display their opinions without being detrimental/offensive, and just overall present a good example to the rest of the community. They can be monitored by the company to make sure they aren't abusing power, and/or harassing people. My idea would be:
-Give them the ability to lock, move, or delete threads that are inappropriate, or antagonistic
-Let them warn posters when their posts are becoming offensive to the point they will recieve punitive action from the main staff.
-Be arbitrators between company and playerbase for getting ideas acrossed in an orderly fashion
-Other ideas the company might have them do errandwise that I havent thought of.


More morality police? No thanks.

[TearValerin]

Dying fansites with low populations are definitely not what I am looking for. What I want is someone to maintain some order when SE cant be around to rid of the repeat threads and spam, it annoys the crap out of me. I'm telling you, check out some of the most popular F2P MMOs forums right now, they all have some sort of player based volunteer mods; i.e. companies like Perfect World Entertainment (which pretty much dominates China's MMO world,) Aeria games, etc. The mods there keep the trolls in check, the flames at bay, and degenerating off topic threads to a minimum, rarely if not never do the bleeding hearts arise and make spam threads complaining about having their threads locked for antagonistic topics/offensive messages.

[Miera]

You'd have to get some good people to be a moderator. You can accidentally pick trollers, flamers and people who would pick favorites over others and go ban happy, not to mention you need people who know what the hell they are talking about.

[cidbahamut]

Volunteer moderators on official forums are a terrible idea. The end.

[Dobbykk]

Who would want to moderate a forum filled with new people with horrible ideas?

[Anon]

Who would want to moderate a forum filled with new people with horrible ideas?

The #1 damage dealer on the block obviously.

[Valefor4life]

That's why you use ffxi wiki forums. The only moderator for the forum here should be SE.

[Yarly]

If it were up to the community, 90% of these forums would be deleted... and we wouldn't have all these terrible threads. =(

[Vivik]

I would not wish the headache of moderating these forums on anyone. SE has to pay people to mod these boards for a reason.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Honestly, most people who think they should be a moderator, are the wrong people for the job.

[Greatguardian]

I should be a moderator.

[Nacht]

I wouldn't want to moderate this forum unless they paid me to.

[Dale]

Volunteer moderators; after the community is established, SE should look for prime candidates to assist in keeping the peace amongst the boards. Look for examples of posters who assist the community, display their opinions without being detrimental/offensive, and just overall present a good example to the rest of the community. They can be monitored by the company to make sure they aren't abusing power, and/or harassing people. My idea would be:

-Give them the ability to lock, move, or delete threads that are inappropriate, or antagonistic
-Let them warn posters when their posts are becoming offensive to the point they will recieve punitive action from the main staff.
-Be arbitrators between company and playerbase for getting ideas acrossed in an orderly fashion
-Other ideas the company might have them do errandwise that I havent thought of.

No - very bad idea. I'm against censorship period. Moderating speech always does more harm than good, but it's especially harmful if done by peers and active participants in the actual discussion. Monitoring the forums should deffinitely be kept in the hands of Square Enix employees.

[Chronofantasy]

I like the mods here. Emdub is my favourite. He's funny. ^^

[Babygyrl]

i fully agree with you, it would be a great idea.. that is actually what backstreetboys.com did.. (yea im a bsb nerd) they have actual fans who they gave mod access to (for the forums) because lets face it real developers can not be on 24/7 to monitor the stuff.. I think they are compensated with free memberships.. but its cool t o have mods who are just like everyone else..

[Greatguardian]

If we were to vote in player moderators, I would definitely nominate Isladar.

[Dale]

i fully agree with you, it would be a great idea.. that is actually what backstreetboys.com did.. (yea im a bsb nerd) they have actual fans who they gave mod access to (for the forums) because lets face it real developers can not be on 24/7 to monitor the stuff.. I think they are compensated with free memberships.. but its cool t o have mods who are just like everyone else..

But they wouldn't be just like everyone else... they would have powers the rest of us woudn't have. The urge to play God with our posts would be way too tempting for them, especially if there were people on the forums they didn't like.

Plus, a lot of people on this forum in particular would want to suck up to them in order to gain their favor, and I rather not see this unsightly scene take place.

Trust me, it's a horrible idea.

[HFX7686]

This is a terrible idea. I don't want to be paying my subscription fee to SE only to be banned from the official forums by some crybaby volunteer who decides that any disagreement is flaming or trolling.

[Kazen]

No offense to anyone here but... judging from the average quality of majority of the posts I've read on this forum, I think this would be a terrible idea. Most of the posts I've read here seem to contain a literacy rate that I wouldn't even consider a high school level. Unless they were extremely careful on their selections I could see a lot of favoritism and false reports just because a poster made them mad.

I feel that a user moderator base forum works better with a site that lacks any official endorsements, otherwise you would end up with a skewed community where you can definitely see the favoritism be it one side or the other. An example of this would be a comparison of Alla to BG; it's easily apparent that Alla caters to the more casual player while BG focuses on the more elite end game focused people. Neither of these two forums are wrong in either way, however, you can see which side the favoritism on each forum lies easily.

In summary for the tldr people... I think the tags for the thread sum this up in my opinion.

[Greatguardian]

In summary for the tldr people... I think the tags for the thread sum this up in my opinion.

Holy shit, haha. That is awesome.

Edit: Damn, less awesome now that I realized the tags are user-added. Still funny though!

[Sayelle]

If we were to vote in player moderators, I would definitely nominate Isladar.

Isladar4Mod!

[Baccanale]

Greetings, players!
I wanted to inform you that this thread was moved from "General Discussions" to "Feedback and Suggestions" for the site. Thanks for your participation, and good luck with your suggestions!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Greetings, players!
I wanted to inform you that this thread was moved from "General Discussions" to "Feedback and Suggestions" for the site. Thanks for your participation, and good luck with your suggestions!I knew it was only a matter of time. lol You must have been on lunch. ^^

[Yarly]

Isladar4Mod!

Yes to this, 1000x

[Nattack]

No.

no no no no.

[Byrth]

I vote for a Judicious Isladar Moderator!

If I became a mod I'd just ban everyone that said something stupid and eventually be left talking to myself about dancer.

[TearValerin]

I think people here dont really understand the job of a volunteer mod... why on earth would the company give you access to the banhammer as one?

COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS:
1. A volunteer mod usually has to kotow to company policy, their opinions can get them fired if they make the company look bad, as that violates the TOS.
2. Volunteer mods do not have the power to ban, theyre basically nothing more than babysitters. Think about it, SE cannoy be bothered to be here 24/7 but a player can, depending on circumstances.
3. Someone who has been given the position obviously would have a good track record with the community, otherwise they would not have been picked. That is usually the biggest criteria for becoming one, someone who is generally helpful, and not a rude poster, someone who can keep their opinion in line. There is such thing as a boundary between work and play.

What mod should do:
-Lock, or move threads to proper locations should they be in the improper place/offensive material.
-Warn players when they are getting out of line, basically Im going to tell mommy you're being bad while you are babysitted.
-Relay to the boss for threads pending deletion if they get REALLY out of hand
-Be an arbitrator between you and the company, say if a real company GM does something you dislike, someone should be a bridge to communicate with them so you dont get yourself in deeper doodoo

Oh, and @ GreatGuardian, DRG > MNK, and we don't even need an empyrean ws to do so :).

[Greatguardian]

Oh, and @ GreatGuardian, DRG > MNK, and we don't even need an empyrean ws to do so :).

Oh okay.

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/gallery/b81239997507d1413fd4dcd26f31af58.jpg

Taking the 25% damage bonus Piercing gets on Buzzflies, 5401 > 4601. :)

[Wheels]

Bad idea to have volunteer mods, lets just throw some gas on the fire.

[Puddings]

What is an Isladar?

[casual]

Isladar is BG's executioner.

[TearValerin]

Oh okay.

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/gallery/b81239997507d1413fd4dcd26f31af58.jpg

Taking the 25% damage bonus Piercing gets on Buzzflies, 5401 > 4601. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/_hinata/pol2011-02-2423-13-12-06.jpg
Nonpiercing mob bonus, tis my regular damage, and my WS gear isnt even complete yet.

[casual]

Takes extra damage while casting, try again. You will respond with a "but it wasn't casting", so don't even bother.

[Greatguardian]

Takes extra damage while casting, try again. You will respond with a "but it wasn't casting", so don't even bother.

This ^ I am reaching my 10 character limit. Don't you have a Gungnir anyways? Why discount Empyrean WS if using a Relic weapon? =P

[TearValerin]

This ^ I am reaching my 10 character limit. Don't you have a Gungnir anyways? Why discount Empyrean WS if using a Relic weapon? =P

All Gungnir is doing for me is decent TP phase damage, its base weapon damage does almost nothing for Drakesbane's WSC. On top of that, Drakesbane isn't an Empyrean WS, has pretty damn low FTP, where on the other hand, smite has a lot higher WSC mods/FTP. WAR and MNK who brag about ridiculous damage with Ukko's/Smite are lolable when there is a job who can do comparable damage without ridiculous gear to do so.

[Greatguardian]

All Gungnir is doing for me is decent TP phase damage, its base weapon damage does almost nothing for Drakesbane's WSC. On top of that, Drakesbane isn't an Empyrean WS, has pretty damn low FTP, where on the other hand, smite has a lot higher WSC mods/FTP. WAR and MNK who brag about ridiculous damage with Ukko's/Smite are lolable when there is a job who can do comparable damage without ridiculous gear to do so.

4.0 fTP isn't super low. It's also a D:133 weapon. Victory Smite, comparatively, is a 5.25 fTP WS with a D:79 weapon and 10% more WSC from STR (before alpha). Also, you asked for non-Empyrean WS, so I used a Mythic WS like your SS and outdid it by 17%. That was long before I had Verethragna, too :( so I was really using a D:68 weapon with a WS with 2.0 fTP and only a 50% VIT mod over Drakes.

[TearValerin]

4.0 fTP isn't super low. It's also a D:133 weapon. Victory Smite, comparatively, is a 5.25 fTP WS with a D:79 weapon and 10% more WSC from STR (before alpha). Also, you asked for non-Empyrean WS, so I used a Mythic WS like your SS and outdid it by 17%. That was long before I had Verethragna, too :( so I was really using a D:68 weapon with a WS with 2.0 fTP and only a 50% VIT mod over Drakes.

1. Damage on the weapon does little to nothing for Drakesbane, you will see similar numbers whether its Corseca +2, Vougier's Contus, Rhongo, or Gungnir.

2. Drakesbane is 4 hit, and only has 1.0 FTP. In order for it to have 4, it would have to have a description like Blade: Hi that says 'deals quadrple damage.' Or Rudra's etc. Fourfold means 4 hits, not 4 FTP like Hi.

3. Refering back to point 1, your ws are heavily DMG dependant, mine aren't. Drakesbane is a beast with average mods.

Where is your source on Clionids taking more damage? I've ran a search and only see posts of them taking half damage from magic under certain circumstances while casting.

[Greatguardian]

1. Damage on the weapon does little to nothing for Drakesbane, you will see similar numbers whether its Corseca +2, Vougier's Contus, Rhongo, or Gungnir.

2. Drakesbane is 4 hit, and only has 1.0 FTP. In order for it to have 4, it would have to have a description like Blade: Hi that says 'deals quadrple damage.' Or Rudra's etc. Fourfold means 4 hits, not 4 FTP like Hi.

3. Refering back to point 1, your ws are heavily DMG dependant, mine aren't. Drakesbane is a beast with average mods.

Where is your source on Clionids taking more damage? I've ran a search and only see posts of them taking half damage from magic under certain circumstances while casting.

The fTP listed on wiki is only for the first hit in any WS... all subsequent hits are 1.0 fTP. That's where I'm getting those values from. Base damage is also a fairly big deal, considering WSC is affected by Alpha. Smite gets a measly 20%* more WSC from STR than Drakesbane, I'm not sure how that makes such a huge difference.

Are you Wafflechan? Honestly, I couldn't care less about having higher WS numbers. I just thought it was funny that you had a 4.6k WS in your sig (Yes, it's 4.6k taking that piercing bonus out).

* 60% vs 50%, so a 20% increase. Or, 10% more of Str pre-Alpha, 8.5% of Str post-Alpha, etc etc. All in all, with 200~ STR, maybe 17 more WSC?

[TearValerin]

The fTP listed on wiki is only for the first hit in any WS... all subsequent hits are 1.0 fTP. That's where I'm getting those values from. Base damage is also a fairly big deal, considering WSC is affected by Alpha. Smite gets literally 8.5% more WSC from STR than Drakesbane, I'm not sure how that makes such a huge difference.

Are you Wafflechan? Honestly, I couldn't care less about having higher WS numbers. I just thought it was funny that you had a 4.6k WS in your sig (Yes, it's 4.6k taking that piercing bonus out).

Yes, and the first hit, and all the hits of Drakes are all 1, and since Polearms are high DMG weapons, adding extra DMG doesn't affect the damage that much (especially during Drakesbane which is a high base D weaponskill.) Regardless, I have it in my sig because it was my first WS pic after I got to try Drakesbane in Abyssea. No, I don't know what a Wafflechan is either.

[Greatguardian]

Yes, and the first hit, and all the hits of Drakes are all 1, and since Polearms are high DMG weapons, adding extra DMG doesn't affect the damage that much (especially during Drakesbane which is a high base D weaponskill.) Regardless, I have it in my sig because it was my first WS pic after I got to try Drakesbane in Abyssea. No, I don't know what a Wafflechan is either.

Oh okay, thought I'd ask. Apparently I'm e-famous and have my own thread on FFXIAH for "e-peening the official forums". I'm not sure what you mean, though. Drakesbane is a 4.0 fTP 50% STR WS. So, let's assume you have 200 STR in Abyssea, you're looking at 85 WSC to add to your base damage of 133. You're still getting way more out of the base damage of your weapon than you are from WSC. If you have less than 200 STR, the gap widens and you gain even more from your weapon's base damage than WSC.

Edit: In the above scenario, every 1 damage you add to Gungnir (90) is a .5% increase in WS damage. Not horrible, but better than the equivalent in WSC.

[Anon]

No offense to anyone here but... judging from the average quality of majority of the posts I've read on this forum, I think this would be a terrible idea. Most of the posts I've read here seem to contain a literacy rate that I wouldn't even consider a high school level. Unless they were extremely careful on their selections I could see a lot of favoritism and false reports just because a poster made them mad.

I feel that a user moderator base forum works better with a site that lacks any official endorsements, otherwise you would end up with a skewed community where you can definitely see the favoritism be it one side or the other. An example of this would be a comparison of Alla to BG; it's easily apparent that Alla caters to the more casual player while BG focuses on the more elite end game focused people. Neither of these two forums are wrong in either way, however, you can see which side the favoritism on each forum lies easily.

In summary for the tldr people... I think the tags for the thread sum this up in my opinion.

This x 1000
To be honest the convo between greatguardian & tearsforfears here has went way off topic. And should have been moderated to reflect this. Oh wait... maybe sometimes veering off course is a good thing.

[Greatguardian]

This x 1000
To be honest the convo between greatguardian & tearsforfears here has went way off topic. And should have been moderated to reflect this. Oh wait... maybe sometimes veering off course is a good thing.

I'd use PMs if there was a PM function :(

[Anon]

I figured lol. My point is that the moderators decided to let it go. Most likely to allow tearface to saveface and let the topic die. Now if you had a "volunteer mod" who hated you because of your dual standing between this site and another.... well the chances of your initial post that started your retort would have been nuked are pretty good. And I'd be perma banned lol.

[Greatguardian]

I figured lol. My point is that the moderators decided to let it go. Most likely to allow tearface to saveface and let the topic die. Now if you had a "volunteer mod" who hated you because of your dual standing between this site and another.... well the chances of your initial post that started your retort would have been nuked are pretty good. And I'd be perma banned lol.

Pretty much, lol.