Absolute WORST job to keybox! opnions? [Archive]

Chronofantasy

03-23-2011, 12:12 AM

I'm so glad I lvlled Blu the hard way back then like 3-4 years ago soon after ToAU was released. Getting each spell can be a pain in the ass in itself as well. At least with the other mage jobs you can buy your spells so it's not as bad.

Komori

03-23-2011, 12:13 AM

I leveled BLU to 75, pre-abyssea. But I'd have to say yes, it'd be the worst job to abyssea.

hiko

03-23-2011, 12:13 AM

For me it has to be BLU...hands down.
YAY! I'm a 75 BLU with no spells and no blu magic skill. >.>

noob! you should have lvl1-12 blu magic and lvl12 BLU skill cap

Mirage

03-23-2011, 12:16 AM

Best job to level with keybox: Any melee, when you've already got war90 with every skill bluenumbered :>

Kaida

03-23-2011, 12:32 AM

pup Skilling the damn thing makes me rage, and I'm soloing the thing up the old way to try and keep it skilled

Hanabira

03-23-2011, 12:37 AM

pup easily. it takes time to understand automaton AI, level all those skills, especially ranged and magic being able to do it once every 20-25 seconds. lets not forget all the attachments that are getting more expensive because no one does the assaults for them

i dont think blue is as terrible anymore since you can find most mob families in abyssea at EP ranges, and then for the ones you cant, you have an extra 15 levels to help you solo them

Maquis

03-23-2011, 12:47 AM

I wonder whats easier:

- Level BLU regular way and stop now and then to get a spell.
- Leech BLU and at 90 skill up and farm spells.

My BLU is 44, so I don't know.

Alhanelem

03-23-2011, 12:50 AM

Yeah, I can't believe that you'd have nothing to show for cheating your way through all those levels! Crazy!
And as punishment, he won't be able to use it for anything until... he gets the spells. AND then skill up bluge magic. Man, he got such a huge advantage by "cheating" there!

Rambus

03-23-2011, 12:56 AM

For me it has to be BLU...hands down.
YAY! I'm a 75 BLU with no spells and no blu magic skill. >.>

I remember a funny story with SMN pts.
This blue had sea and some homan ( maybe 5/5?) then someone asked why he did not have Disseverment yet.

the answer was "I do not have the blue magic skill to learn it"

Frost

03-23-2011, 01:01 AM

Blue was an atrocious job for me until it hit 81.
The play style just wasn't my cup of tea, and I was fully merited and geared in favor of the job to begin with.
I have to say it's one of the better jobs to leech up, for that reason, Blu 1-81 is nothing like Blu 81-90.

Pup is painful to skill up even without having to do so after leeching...
Throw in leeching and it just amplifies it.
I solo'd my pup form 1-75 and still came no where close to capping skills on my melee and ranged puppets, and I was trying. One of the main issues being the frequency at which the puppet actually fires it's crossbow. Other than the drum magazine there's not much you can do to reduce that delay really. Imagine trying to skill up Elemental Magic Skill, when all you have is ancient magic...
And you can't jam a nickel in your keyboard and spam summons like summoners can either...

SO yeah, I'd say pup is the most painful job to leech up.

Auredant

03-23-2011, 02:08 AM

Quedari

03-23-2011, 02:10 AM

I wonder whats easier:

- Level BLU regular way and stop now and then to get a spell.
- Leech BLU and at 90 skill up and farm spells.

My BLU is 44, so I don't know.

I leeched blu from 41 to 90, and as annoying as spell hunting is, I thought hunting spells at 90 was easier than hunting at-level. I just started where I left off on spells at 41 and learned from mobs that were 5-10 levels above my blu magic skill. Wearing your blue magic skill+ gear and blue magic merits will help you learn spells above your base blue magic level easier as well. That doesn't mean you're gonna learn Quad.Continuum with the same blue magic skill as a level 60 though :P

until... he gets the spells. AND then skill up blue magic
There is no "learn then skill" because you have to have the skill in order to learn the spells. Kinda like weaponskills, I suppose, since you have to have a certain skill level to have the WS available.

Frost

03-23-2011, 02:12 AM

Didn't factor in learning curve on Pup...there's definitely more to it than most jobs from what I've read...and prolly the reason it will be the last thing i level...lol. But to me it's still blu....learning spells is a chore when ur blu magic skill is near capped...what a nightmare it would be wit gimp skill. it's the reason my BLU30 won't set foot in abbyssea till 70.

You're right, i didn't factor in the learning curve, though intentionally.
I thought about that, but there's a lot of jobs (arguably pup) that are easier to understand once you "have everything" you know?
So the learning curve concept was there in spirit lol.

Alistaire

03-23-2011, 02:13 AM

I wonder whats easier:

- Level BLU regular way and stop now and then to get a spell.
- Leech BLU and at 90 skill up and farm spells.

My BLU is 44, so I don't know.

Leech, easily. Then @ 90 you can farm only the spells you'd use @ 90, and have easier transportation if you go /whm to port around and get a bunch, diaga trains of mobs that at the proper level would own you, etc etc...

Gratinao

03-23-2011, 02:58 AM

And as punishment, he won't be able to use it for anything until... he gets the spells. AND then skill up bluge magic. Man, he got such a huge advantage by "cheating" there!

LOL you can't get Blue Mage spells till you get the skill up. Good thing they upped the skill up numbers in the update or you would have a long road ahead of you. I am glade I have not done this with any of my jobs only one the even comes close to this is my BRD 51-90 I can still buff Party but landing a song on a mob not going to happen.

Randwolf

03-23-2011, 03:17 AM

LOL you can't get Blue Mage spells till you get the skill up. Good thing they upped the skill up numbers in the update or you would have a long road ahead of you. I am glade I have not done this with any of my jobs only one the even comes close to this is my BRD 51-90 I can still buff Party but landing a song on a mob not going to happen.
I love this 'fail-safe' in BLU. You can't 'fake' the high level spells.

Boldheart

03-23-2011, 03:56 AM

NIN sucks leeching to 90 also cuz it's the only job that uses Katana and Ninjitsu skill. So if you dont lvl NIN the regular way, you will be skilling up for awhile. Also SMN would suck to leech on.

Atomic646

03-23-2011, 04:27 AM

Best job to level with keybox: Any melee, when you've already got war90 with every skill bluenumbered :>

Haha I did THF from 30-90 had dagger capped on 90RDM and evasion capped on 90sam was simple lol

Komori

03-23-2011, 04:28 AM

Heh. I plan on leeching my THF up, since dagger and evasion are close to cap on DNC.

jeffanddane

03-23-2011, 04:31 AM

Actually BLU wasn't so bad I lvled it from lvl 30-90 and took a week to get all my major spells and capped blu skills /cheers. But I also had all blu spells to lvl 30. So I just did alot of usless spamming in my abyssea parties. After I got capped skill that when i went and learned spells .

Gunit

03-23-2011, 05:12 AM

NIN sucks leeching to 90 also cuz it's the only job that uses Katana and Ninjitsu skill. So if you dont lvl NIN the regular way, you will be skilling up for awhile. Also SMN would suck to leech on.

I don't understand why snm would suck to leech up?
Just really need to skill up one skill and you can make a spellcast for it and afk.

jeffanddane

03-23-2011, 05:30 AM

I don't understand why snm would suck to leech up?
Just really need to skill up one skill and you can make a spellcast for it and afk.

Not as easy as you think a regular smn macro line for afking looks like this
/ma "Summon" <me> <wait 5>
/ja "Release"<me>
Rinse repeat. Takes 2 lines to summon and release a pet making this not a pleasurable exp.

Tsukino_Kaji

03-23-2011, 05:31 AM

For me it has to be BLU...hands down.
YAY! I'm a 75 BLU with no spells and no blu magic skill. >.>I did that with blu, except after a week I had capped skill and all spells. lol

I abyssea'd BRD... god I hate BRD... but at least I can run fast now. Screw the skills.

Miera

03-23-2011, 05:35 AM

I've never Keyboxed any of my jobs because I know the horrors of skilling up.

Especially PUP Its hard enough to skill up Ranged on that damn thing, my Magic is capped though.

Gunit

03-23-2011, 05:41 AM

Not as easy as you think a regular smn macro line for afking looks like this
/ma "Summon" <me> <wait 5>
/ja "Release"<me>
Rinse repeat. Takes 2 lines to summon and release a pet making this not a pleasurable exp.

I don't understand.
You spent like 15mins at most make a macro for it and afk.

jeffanddane

03-23-2011, 06:04 AM

I don't understand.
You spent like 15mins at most make a macro for it and afk.

What is there like 6 lines ? That means you only get to summon 3 times a macro. And linking them is impossible, if you are linking them you could get banned because that against the user agreement and considered botting . . . .

Gunit

03-23-2011, 06:09 AM

use spellcast lol

Morgantisthedon

03-23-2011, 06:19 AM

after leeching tons jobs....here is my thoughts. You will need to skill up solo or with friends always ~.* Going out high level blue makes getting spells eazy you got more play with them and can link all the mobs and diaga and wear your af etc. Plus blue spamming of low lv blue spells skills you up fast while you are out. Bst has no true skill from jug pets (mostly used now) other than your axe skill. So I saved money leaching that nin and ranger . Hmm i would say leaching pup is the worst. Other than actualy lvling all your core skills you have to actually lv skill up your puppets which is ughh. In the end I still say play how you want level how you want....after all you pay the bill at the end of the month have fun XD. ~also if you leach up a job SKILL ITup !~

Elysianne

03-23-2011, 06:39 AM

I'll have to say rdm. Hands down.
I've been levelling nin the old fashioned way and I can't count how many rdms have really made me want to /facepalm.
Ah well. Maybe I'm spoiled.

Tsukino_Kaji

03-23-2011, 06:40 AM

And remember. Cross over gear is a wonderfull space saver!
It's a good thing.

Karinya_of_Carbuncle

03-23-2011, 07:20 AM

use spellcast lol

So... is there an official position on banning people who admit to using/advocate for others to use illegal addons? From the game, I mean, not just the forums (although even that would be something).

Cheating is horribly common in the game right now (to the point that people like this advocate for it without even thinking that they're doing so on SE's own official board!) and people who don't can be at a pretty significant disadvantage in some ways (gearswapping, seeing exact %HP to predict certain mob abilities, etc.).

...As for the main topic: PLD. Because if there's one thing more useless than a PLD right now, it's a PLD that doesn't even have shield and parry skill, and defensive skills are (slightly less so than before, but still) slow to level.

Nacht

03-23-2011, 07:22 AM

...As for the main topic: PLD. Because if there's one thing more useless than a PLD right now, it's a PLD that doesn't even have shield and parry skill, and defensive skills are (slightly less so than before, but still) slow to level.

They can't hold hate anyway, what's the difference.

Gunit

03-23-2011, 07:22 AM

So... is there an official position on banning people who admit to using/advocate for others to use illegal addons? From the game, I mean, not just the forums (although even that would be something)
I don't see where I said I use spellcast? and funny how I play on xbox most of the time.

Azaril

03-23-2011, 08:23 AM

i abyssea'd Blu 30 - 90 >.> and took less than 2 weeks to cap skill (would of been less but work and RL get in the way :P )
plus while skillin up i learned spells in the process lol..

Alhanelem

03-23-2011, 08:35 AM

LOL you can't get Blue Mage spells till you get the skill up.You only need one spell to skill up blue magic. And there are plenty of spells you can get with zero blue magic skill; This is all inspite of the fact that you need to get to level 30 before you can keybox in abyssea, so chances are you have learned a few. But you still won't be useful until you've gotten other spells. You've basically reinforced my point that rushing BLU to 90 doesn't save that much time, as most blue mages get the spells as they kill stuff to level. It's not like other mages where you can just whip out your vana'diel credit card and buy all the spells when you hit 90.

Nacht

03-23-2011, 08:38 AM

There's someone whose goal is to have an 85 almace, blue mage as the only job that can equip it, and 0 blue mage spells.

Azaril

03-23-2011, 08:44 AM

i soloed blu to 30 and got all spells for 30+ and when i did take it o abyssea i stop at 75 for 2days or so and worked on skill and spells which really didnt take to long with the blu AF gloves and body. i mostly rushed the levels and would work on skill and spels as something to do in spare time when ls mates wernt on to do stuff with etc. was like a hobby job i guess. but not like i did take time to get skill and spells to 75+ before continuing to 90, so i wouldnt be a complete mooch from those lv's :P

Tsukino_Kaji

03-23-2011, 08:45 AM

I like how this turned into the "I burned BLU to 90 in abyssea" thread. lol

Azaril

03-23-2011, 08:48 AM

I like how this turned into the "I burned BLU to 90 in abyssea" thread. lol

was not my intention lol

Jonnyangel

03-23-2011, 08:48 AM

I'm sorry, been away from the game for a year, just returned two days before SE had to turn the servers off. Could someone explain what keybox is?

Tsukino_Kaji

03-23-2011, 08:49 AM

I'm sorry, been away from the game for a year, just returned two days before SE had to turn the servers off. Could someone explain what keybox is?Chests drop from mobs in abyssea zones, you can open them manualy, but most peole use the keys you have to buy.

Edit: Oh, and they used to only stack in 12s and you had to egt through all of the NPC sub menus to get them 1 at a time. lol

Azaril

03-23-2011, 08:51 AM

There's someone whose goal is to have an 85 almace, blue mage as the only job that can equip it, and 0 blue mage spells.

btw Blu has been 90 and capped skill's merits a few months ago lol.. and i probably wont even do am empy weapon for a while anyways.

Jonnyangel

03-23-2011, 08:53 AM

Chests drop from mobs in abyssea zones, you can open them manualy, but most peole use the keys you have to buy.

Edit: Oh, and they used to only stack in 12s and you had to egt through all of the NPC sub menus to get them 1 at a time. lol

So these boxes give a lot of exp?

and thank you for the information :D

Tsukino_Kaji

03-23-2011, 08:56 AM

So these boxes give a lot of exp?

and thank you for the information :DWhen your azure is capped, they give 1250 a pop.

Kaida

03-24-2011, 06:08 PM

When your azure is capped, they give 1250 a pop.

regardless of level (30+ entry requirement)

svengalis

03-24-2011, 06:34 PM

BLM is pretty bad to. It's hard to skill up elemental magic or should I say takes awhile. You also don't proc nearly as much with under leveled magic skill. Your magic also gets resisted alot while fighting Abyssea mobs.

lowkey

03-24-2011, 06:35 PM

Bst. It's about the journey, which you will have missed completely, and not the destination.

svengalis

03-24-2011, 06:35 PM

Blu was the last job I wanted to take to 90 but I was reluctant to level it because I thought you had to farm the spells as you go. But it seems that is not the case so I maybe leveling my Blu now.

Randwolf

03-24-2011, 07:54 PM

Blu was the last job I wanted to take to 90 but I was reluctant to level it because I thought you had to farm the spells as you go. But it seems that is not the case so I maybe leveling my Blu now.

It's part of what makes it the worst job to keybox. Unlike any other job that can use magic and can acquire and use all their spells at that level, BLU can only learn spells depending on their BLU skill. So, where, say a BLM, can acquire all their spells at 90 and use them to skill up on, BLU would only be able to use the spells they had the BLU skill to learn and then acquire more spells after they had skilled up. It's actually a great balance against simply keyboxing the job. And, why there are still so many shouts from Abyssea parties trying to find a BLU.

Personally, I think it would be great if all mage jobs were eligible to only learn their spells at skill level. It would end a lot of the lazy, gimp players posing as a FULLY leveled mage. Most responsible players would have no problem with it, since they skill their magic skills anyway.