Noddy Ring + Puffin Ring + Ebisu and Liks/Gugrusaurus

[Ithil]

Hello all,

This was a thread I originally opened in BG, but I never got a conclusive answer.

I have been farming my Ebisu for the last two months (1/230ish Liks, 0/200 Gugrus atm), so I have spent a lot of time in Leremieu Lagoon and the ferry.

Using Lu Shang and no r/e bait, ofc I needed Albatross and Penguin/Seagull. Seagull was a bit tight, but manageable.

I couldn't stop noticing that every single person fishing on those spots are using the following setup:
Ebisu
Puffin Ring
Noddy Ring
Meatball for Gugru
Minnow for Lik

That is for real, for two months, I never saw anybody on Lik/Gugru spots using any other rings.

Now my question is, is that really possible without botting? Does the Ebisu make so much of a difference that you can manage both fish with just those rings? I got several PMs of Ebisu owners saying that in their opinon it is impossible with that setup, unless you are the perfect fisher (aka botter). I can understand that *some* people are perfect fishers, but not all of them. And everybody was using this setup with success.

I would like to know the official stance of SE about this.

Regards.

[Fynlar]

Does the Ebisu make so much of a difference that you can manage both fish with just those rings?

No, it doesn't. The Ebisu is really just an unbreakable Lu that also gives something like +46 fishing skill (which is useless, cuz these fish are high enough level to still auto regen anyway)

[VoiceMemo]

As a 100% legit fisherman(I did 0-102(atm) fishing by myself manually and fished up 100% of my ebisu items I'll share my experience.



I couldn't stop noticing that every single person fishing on those spots are using the following setup:
Ebisu
Puffin Ring
Noddy Ring
Meatball for Gugru
Minnow for Lik


I'm guessing your not on asura(while writing this post could, the message box covers that part of the profile) as I rode the boat often and used setup:

LuShang
Albatross ring
Pelican ring
Meatball for Guru
Full fishing set, waders, torque, hands, smock, hq hands, nq legs and moglification fishing with powerful water energy.

I started at 92 fishing with this setup, did not obtain Guru till I was 102 fishing.




Now my question is, is that really possible without botting?


Yes it is absolutely possible. My advice is that you face yourself. What I mean by this is rotate the camera in 3rd person till you are facing your character(not looking at your characters back) while fishing. This way you will use the tap method in the direction of the rod movement instead of the opposite direction. I find this is easier than having to think in reverse. And like I mentioned tap the direction, don't hold down the button.

At 92 even with albatross ring it was quite difficult to reel them in, this is the lowest lvl I would suggest fishing them at. Since you didn't post your lvl, I can only guess you are at least that level. As you lvl up from fishing up Guru's it gets easier of course.

I had 2 albatross rings and would use 1 per ride, the pelican ring I would use every other ride.

I would fish about 10-15 per day before stopping. Guru's seem to have a higher fatigue rate than other fish.



Does the Ebisu make so much of a difference that you can manage both fish with just those rings?


The reason to use that combination of rings is that it will decrease the monsters caught on hook and give higher chance at larger prey(!!!) ones. Although my testing of Puffin ring indicates otherwise.(But that's a story for another time)



I got several PMs of Ebisu owners saying that in their opinon it is impossible with that setup, unless you are the perfect fisher (aka botter). I can understand that *some* people are perfect fishers, but not all of them. And everybody was using this setup with success.
Regards.

I would look at those opinions with skepticism, although you could look at mine the same way, but anyone on asura that knows me can vouch for my fishing skills and knowledge. I have mentored many fishermen that were non fishers at start.

Hope this helps
VM

[ReplicaX]

No, it doesn't. The Ebisu is really just an unbreakable Lu that also gives something like +46 fishing skill (which is useless, cuz these fish are high enough level to still auto regen anyway)

Yes it does. Regardless of auto regen on these higher fish, Ebisu still depletes stamina at a faster rate than Lu Shang's. It gives you more of a chance reeling in a harder fish before losing it. There is a noticeable difference between the 2 rods fishing legitimately.

Take VoiceMemo's advice, these 2 are a major difference:
- Set camera towards yourself in 3rd person.
- Tapping direction and not holding.

There are plenty of skilled and legitimate fishers out there, that have earned their Ebisu using Lu Shang's and were 90+ skill. I knew of 2 personally.

[Ithil]

Hello VoiceMemo,

From your description, I get mixed messages: on the one hand, you say that you have been using Albatross rings, on the other hand you say that it is possible to fish Gugrus/Liks without them and without botting.

My problem is not that I cannot get those fish, it is that I cannot see how you can get them just using Noddy and Puffin, which ofc in theory are the optimal setup for them. Unless you tell me that once you get the Ebisu, it makes those fish a lot easier, I cannot understand how you can get them without using Albatross and/or Penguin/Seagull.

Btw, I am on Ragnarok and my fishing level is 102. I also have all possible fishing enhancements, except the torque, which I have but cannot use (still lvl75 ;-)

Regards.


As a 100% legit fisherman(I did 0-102(atm) fishing by myself manually and fished up 100% of my ebisu items I'll share my experience.



I'm guessing your not on asura(while writing this post could, the message box covers that part of the profile) as I rode the boat often and used setup:

LuShang
Albatross ring
Pelican ring
Meatball for Guru
Full fishing set, waders, torque, hands, smock, hq hands, nq legs and moglification fishing with powerful water energy.

I started at 92 fishing with this setup, did not obtain Guru till I was 102 fishing.




Yes it is absolutely possible. My advice is that you face yourself. What I mean by this is rotate the camera in 3rd person till you are facing your character(not looking at your characters back) while fishing. This way you will use the tap method in the direction of the rod movement instead of the opposite direction. I find this is easier than having to think in reverse. And like I mentioned tap the direction, don't hold down the button.

At 92 even with albatross ring it was quite difficult to reel them in, this is the lowest lvl I would suggest fishing them at. Since you didn't post your lvl, I can only guess you are at least that level. As you lvl up from fishing up Guru's it gets easier of course.

I had 2 albatross rings and would use 1 per ride, the pelican ring I would use every other ride.

I would fish about 10-15 per day before stopping. Guru's seem to have a higher fatigue rate than other fish.



The reason to use that combination of rings is that it will decrease the monsters caught on hook and give higher chance at larger prey(!!!) ones. Although my testing of Puffin ring indicates otherwise.(But that's a story for another time)



I would look at those opinions with skepticism, although you could look at mine the same way, but anyone on asura that knows me can vouch for my fishing skills and knowledge. I have mentored many fishermen that were non fishers at start.

Hope this helps
VM

[ReplicaX]

Hello VoiceMemo,

From your description, I get mixed messages: on the one hand, you say that you have been using Albatross rings, on the other hand you say that it is possible to fish Gugrus/Liks without them and without botting.

My problem is not that I cannot get those fish, it is that I cannot see how you can get them just using Noddy and Puffin, which ofc in theory are the optimal setup for them. Unless you tell me that once you get the Ebisu, it makes those fish a lot easier, I cannot understand how you can get them without using Albatross and/or Penguin/Seagull.

Btw, I am on Ragnarok and my fishing level is 102. I also have all possible fishing enhancements, except the torque, which I have but cannot use (still lvl75 ;-)

Regards.

Simply stated

If you are not having any issues reeling in Liks then Noddy/Puffin is going to help increase your bite rate on the fish.

If you are having issues reeling in Liks stamina wise (Not line/rod breaks) then Albatross and/or Seagull is going to help reeling them in.

If you have all these rings and are still undecided, test the setups yourself and see which is landing you more fish.

[Ithil]

Sorry for going back to the same topic, but nobody is directly answering my original question, or at least I don't understand the answers :-)

Let me make a more detailed example. Forget about Liks, imagine the following setup:

Target: Gugrusaurus in the ferry to Al Zahbi
Rod: Lu Shang
Bait: Meatball

With this, there is no way at all for me to land a Gugrusaurus unless I use an Albatross ring charge. Even if I make no mistakes while tapping (and I do indeed tap, not press), without the extra help of the Albatross there is no time to deplete the stamina, impossible at least for me. The feedback I got from others is the same.

Now, is it possible with an Ebisu? Does the Ebisu have such an increased "potency" that it would make me not need an Albatross charge (and hence just Noddy and Puffin for an optimal setup)?

Regards.


Simply stated

If you are not having any issues reeling in Liks then Noddy/Puffin is going to help increase your bite rate on the fish.

If you are having issues reeling in Liks stamina wise (Not line/rod breaks) then Albatross and/or Seagull is going to help reeling them in.

If you have all these rings and are still undecided, test the setups yourself and see which is landing you more fish.

[Sapphire]

Now, is it possible with an Ebisu? Does the Ebisu have such an increased "potency" that it would make me not need an Albatross charge (and hence just Noddy and Puffin for an optimal setup)?

Regards.

Yes, with an Ebisu you CAN catch Gugs w/o the Albatross and with the Noddy and Puffin. And not botting even. Mind you that Liks, Gugs, Haks, Matsya etc are stupidly high level fish, so even bot fishers with Ebisus and all the fishing + items lose a lot of bait fishing them.

But an Ebisu is QUITE the upgrade from a Lu Shang's - not just unbreakable. Someone I knew who botted (the character is banned now anyway) was once fishing Gugs with his Lu Shang's. Next to him was a friend with an Ebisu who absolutely DOES NOT BOT. The botter remarked several times that watching the Ebisu fisher, it was almost like watching someone using several bot hacks with a Lu Shang's - the stamina depletion was impressive.

[VoiceMemo]

To clarify use this setup:

LuShang
Albatross ring
Pelican ring(used to skillup because could not necessary to catch guru)
Meatball for Guru
Full fishing set, waders, torque, hands, smock, hq hands, nq legs and moglification fishing with powerful water energy.

I started at 92 fishing with this setup, did not obtain Guru till I was 102 fishing.

What I meant was it is possible to catch Guru's without Ebisu or botting using the setup I listed above.

And by all possible enhansements, you also have moglification fishing? Stall + Signboard + Fishing hole map + net and lure?

Yes ONLY when you obtain ebisu, you could then catch guru's with noddy/puffin. Ebisu is that much more powerful in reeling in fish compared to lushang.

[Ithil]

Thank you for your message, but I was only interested in the setup with Ebisu. Without Ebisu I can manage them without problems (using Albatross of course). Finished with Liks, 0/200 atm with Gugrus.

And with all enhancements yes, I meant all guild points items, mega moglification, etc.

Regards.


To clarify use this setup:

LuShang
Albatross ring
Pelican ring(used to skillup because could not necessary to catch guru)
Meatball for Guru
Full fishing set, waders, torque, hands, smock, hq hands, nq legs and moglification fishing with powerful water energy.

I started at 92 fishing with this setup, did not obtain Guru till I was 102 fishing.

What I meant was it is possible to catch Guru's without Ebisu or botting using the setup I listed above.

And by all possible enhansements, you also have moglification fishing? Stall + Signboard + Fishing hole map + net and lure?

Yes ONLY when you obtain ebisu, you could then catch guru's with noddy/puffin. Ebisu is that much more powerful in reeling in fish compared to lushang.

[Alhanelem]

I would like to know the official stance of SE about this.Official stance on what? SE isn't going to tell you how to fish for Liks/gugu's. That's up to the players to figure out. Or are you asking if anybody getting those fish with just these items must be botting and therefore may be banned?

I can't claim I know much about fishing, but aren't these two fish the ones needed to get the Ebisu rod items? Maybe I'm confused, why do you want to fish for them with the Ebisu? I'm guessing those are the only fish worth selling? If the Ebisu rod is only going to be used for catching the fish used to get the ebisu rod, it seems to me like its almost pointless to obtain....

[Sapphire]

I can't claim I know much about fishing, but aren't these two fish the ones needed to get the Ebisu rod items? Maybe I'm confused, why do you want to fish for them with the Ebisu? I'm guessing those are the only fish worth selling? If the Ebisu rod is only going to be used for catching the fish used to get the ebisu rod, it seems to me like its almost pointless to obtain....

You catch them to sell to others. (And make back the money you spent buying them!) To give to friends you like so they can get an Ebisu. For fishing contests (YES LIKS HAVE COME UP!) To cook in front of other people to make them hate you.

You also use the Ebisu to catch the (in)famous Haks, the preferred money fish. And to catch things like Matsya - which are the only way to get a Shaper's Shawl, an item many a crafter wants. Not to mention an Ebisu makes catching ANY fish easier, and maybe you want to fish up an ingredient, an item, a quest monster.

Heck! Some people like fishing! Others like to finish quests. Plenty of reasons to get an Ebisu, and catching Gugs and Liks w/o your rod breaking every other fish is certainly one of them.

[Ithil]

Well, Sapphire's answer pretty much summarises everything about why people sell Liks/Gugrus.

And yes, while not directly stated, one of my targets was to know if all the people using this setup had been botting (or not).

According to several forums, in the last days the GMs have been hammering the fishing botters. Curiously enough, I am now alone in the ferry catching Gugrus...


Official stance on what? SE isn't going to tell you how to fish for Liks/gugu's. That's up to the players to figure out. Or are you asking if anybody getting those fish with just these items must be botting and therefore may be banned?

I can't claim I know much about fishing, but aren't these two fish the ones needed to get the Ebisu rod items? Maybe I'm confused, why do you want to fish for them with the Ebisu? I'm guessing those are the only fish worth selling? If the Ebisu rod is only going to be used for catching the fish used to get the ebisu rod, it seems to me like its almost pointless to obtain....

[Fynlar]

Yes it does. Regardless of auto regen on these higher fish, Ebisu still depletes stamina at a faster rate than Lu Shang's. It gives you more of a chance reeling in a harder fish before losing it. There is a noticeable difference between the 2 rods fishing legitimately.

I have both rods and have seen no difference whatsoever. Gugrus/Liks did not become any easier to catch after getting the Ebisu, still needed to use Albatross + either forcibly lower my FPS or use Penguin as well in order to be able to catch them with any consistency.

[Ithil]

So in your opinion the only (but big) difference is that with the Ebisu you can reel them more often, due to less line snaps, no rod breaks, etc, but they are as difficult to reel in as with a Lu Shang?


I have both rods and have seen no difference whatsoever. Gugrus/Liks did not become any easier to catch after getting the Ebisu, still needed to use Albatross + either forcibly lower my FPS or use Penguin as well in order to be able to catch them with any consistency.

[VoiceMemo]

I have both rods and have seen no difference whatsoever. Gugrus/Liks did not become any easier to catch after getting the Ebisu, still needed to use Albatross + either forcibly lower my FPS or use Penguin as well in order to be able to catch them with any consistency.

Albatross ring is used to extend the duration of the time Guru's/Lik's are on the hook. By default these only have a 30 sec max duration unless you use Albatross ring or the EX bait, it's just the nature of these fishes. The FPS was lowered to ALL users a few updates ago, before PC users were as high as your computer allowed.

For me I do see an easier time to reel in fish with Ebisu, as fatigue happens I'll use albatross to extend the duration on the hook because it's harder to reel them in as fatigue builds up. As I posted earlier Guru's seem to reach your fish cap/day faster than other fish.

Also the number of fishers on the boat, at least for asura is in no way indication of botters being banned. I've road the boat many times and been there alone. It probably comes down to time of day and moonphase.

[Ithil]

Also the number of fishers on the boat, at least for asura is in no way indication of botters being banned. I've road the boat many times and been there alone. It probably comes down to time of day and moonphase.

Yes, I agree with that. It's just that for the last 1 month I was never alone in the ferry, and instantly after the hammer is up, only 1 other person shows up. Just a coincidence (maybe) :-)

[Fynlar]

So in your opinion the only (but big) difference is that with the Ebisu you can reel them more often, due to less line snaps, no rod breaks, etc, but they are as difficult to reel in as with a Lu Shang?

Actually the successful catch rate is probably around the same (I kept stats when fishing these and figured it out to be around 35-40% on Gugru/Lik, both with Lu and Ebisu), it's just that before when you would have snapped your Lu, you just snap your Ebisu's line instead.

Ergo, I don't actually think the line snap rate is changed much at all (aside from the above fact), at least on these two particular fish.


Albatross ring is used to extend the duration of the time Guru's/Lik's are on the hook. By default these only have a 30 sec max duration unless you use Albatross ring or the EX bait, it's just the nature of these fishes. The FPS was lowered to ALL users a few updates ago, before PC users were as high as your computer allowed.

I know all this already. I quested my own Ebisu and have a whole lot of experience with these fish.

[Ithil]

This then takes me back to the original question: if in the ferry there are 4 other fishers, all of them Ebisu+Noddy+Puffin+Meatballs, successfully reeling in several Gugrus per ride, then... are all of them using "happy tools"? The same applies to Leremieu Lagoon.


Actually the successful catch rate is probably around the same (I kept stats when fishing these and figured it out to be around 35-40% on Gugru/Lik, both with Lu and Ebisu), it's just that before when you would have snapped your Lu, you just snap your Ebisu's line instead.

Ergo, I don't actually think the line snap rate is changed much at all (aside from the above fact), at least on these two particular fish.



I know all this already. I quested my own Ebisu and have a whole lot of experience with these fish.

[Fynlar]

This then takes me back to the original question: if in the ferry there are 4 other fishers, all of them Ebisu+Noddy+Puffin+Meatballs, successfully reeling in several Gugrus per ride, then... are all of them using "happy tools"? The same applies to Leremieu Lagoon.

For Gugrusauri, I'd personally say yes, it's very likely

Liks are more up in the air, they're similar to ryugu titans with a little more stamina and a little less rod-shakiness, so it IS still possible to nab them without rings if your reflexes are good. But honestly, I'd still assume that someone not using at least Albatross is more likely to be a bot than not, just because of the overall prevalence of fishbots these days (and particularly, fishbotters that want their Ebisu rods)

Gugrus don't care about your reflexes, the game just does not give you enough time to bring the stamina bar down normally. It doesn't help that with Gugrus the rod hangs in the middle for half a second between shakes, which drastically cuts into the time you have to actually lower its HP.

[Sapphire]

This then takes me back to the original question: if in the ferry there are 4 other fishers, all of them Ebisu+Noddy+Puffin+Meatballs, successfully reeling in several Gugrus per ride, then... are all of them using "happy tools"? The same applies to Leremieu Lagoon.

I knew exactly what you were asking, and I am sticking to my answer.

Just because they aren't using an Albatross does not mean they are botting. Could they be? Sure. But Noddy+Puffin isn't enough to "convict" someone. And acting like it is is insulting to people who are actually good at fishing.

I don't catch Liks and Gugs. I didn't to get my Ebisu because I didn't wanna deal with broken rods. I don't now because I hate boat fishing, and if I'm gonna fight the entire server for minnows, I'd be catching Haks. But I fished Cave Cherax with a Lu Shang's to skill up to 110, and with an Ebisu to get Dwarf Pugils (WHICH I NEED TO GET BACK TO...) They are annoying fishies and I found them much easier to do with the Ebisu. (They are still annoying, but not Abaia annoying.)

Are there probably bots on your boat? Yes. Is it everyone? Their equipment is NOT how you can tell.

[Ithil]

I knew exactly what you were asking, and I am sticking to my answer.

Just because they aren't using an Albatross does not mean they are botting. Could they be? Sure. But Noddy+Puffin isn't enough to "convict" someone. And acting like it is is insulting to people who are actually good at fishing.

I don't catch Liks and Gugs. I didn't to get my Ebisu because I didn't wanna deal with broken rods. I don't now because I hate boat fishing, and if I'm gonna fight the entire server for minnows, I'd be catching Haks. But I fished Cave Cherax with a Lu Shang's to skill up to 110, and with an Ebisu to get Dwarf Pugils (WHICH I NEED TO GET BACK TO...) They are annoying fishies and I found them much easier to do with the Ebisu. (They are still annoying, but not Abaia annoying.)

Are there probably bots on your boat? Yes. Is it everyone? Their equipment is NOT how you can tell.

I understand your point, and that is why I asked in the first place, because I wanted to know the possibilities, and the opinions of other fellow fishers. Unfortunately for me, I don't have an Ebisu to confirm it.

And I have to say, the issue is now clearer to me now :-)

[Ithil]

Hello,

Now I can speak for myself (1/229 Liks and 1/276 Gugrus in the end). Ebisu gotten yesterday.

I tried both Liks and Gugrus without Albatross and Penguin/Seagull. Liks were difficult but can be done. Gugrus are almost impossible without Albatross, I noticed that with the Ebisu they become incredibly easier, like having a Penguin Ring charge active. But the time limit is the same, which makes them almost impossible. I imagine that someone very skilled could reel them in sometimes, but not always. Or maybe always, but very few people. I'm not calling myself a perfect fisher at all, but until now (7 years fishing) I didn't have more problems than other people with the most difficult fish.

The conclusion for me is, yes, some very skilled people could reel them in, but I cannot imagine how EVERYBODY except myself in the ferry is just using Noddy/Puffin and not botting.

Regards.