Geo filters

[Elphy]

I thought in patch notes they said they addressed this but one has been successful at shutting geo spell graphics off yet.

We have lost 6 ppl out of our alliance as soon as a geo came in due to nausea and if you don't invite them they skill in the middle so it doesn't make a diff ppl still leave.

Sorry if this has been addressed already, if it has I missed it

[Kaisha]

Config -> Effects -> Make sure "All effects during Battle" is set to off. Turn on Party-> You/Party/Non-Party PC.

Not bothered checking which one of those specifically disables it, but one of them does. Doesn't work on the luopan pets btw, just the Indi- buff that follows the Geomancer. Filters take effect once you exit the filter menu.

[Elexia]

Ok I have to seriously ask:

What the hell is wrong with people that these fairly low end particle effects are causing people to be sick? I swear a few are just pissy it's a new job because we had people complain about "annoying constant JA usage" when PUP came out >.>.

I see you're on Asura too, so I'm definitely going with the people just hating lol.

[Siviard]

If our Auras and Luopans make you so "sick", eat a Drammamine before playing.

For your Luopan sickness needs, it's Drammamine!

[Merton9999]

Yeah they've lumped the auras under the other Config | Effects filters. If you don't want to see your own indi-aura, turn on You>You. To hide others' auras, use Party>Party, Non-Party>Non-Party.

I hope they come up with something more elegant for this, like a simpler effect. I don't like missing out on my other spell animation to hide the aura. I'm not bothered by the aura itself. What I don't like is the recreation of it whenever I swap gear. The game is redoing the whole swirl and snap animation as the aura disappears and reappears. Turning the filters on prevents this. I'd be happy if they just nixed that altogether.

[Alhanelem]

6 people out of an alliance to nausea? I don't believe that. I'm pretty sure the number of people affected by motion sickness is less than 1 in 3. Are you fabricating this just to get them to do something? I'm sure there are a few people out there who are genuinely affected by this, but I don't see 6 in the same alliance unless you specifically sought out people with motion sickness. If it was that common, they would have caught it in internal testing because odds would be someone on the dev team would have been getting sick from it.

OTOH.... if this really happened, I'll personally fly out to all their houses and buy them all a case of motion sickness pills.

I've been in multiple alliances on GEO and not 1 person complained. I'm sure if I was making someone feel sick they would say something. The only complaint i've ever had is someone complained that it was making their framerate drop when I was skilling up.

Also... due to a technical limitation currently only Indi- spell effects can be turned off. they were unclear as to whether they could do the same for luopan because they are designed differently apparently.

[Elphy]

Hmmm those filters didn't seem to work for me. I still get the effects of indi-spells even when its set to off. The 6 ppl leaving was over the course of a few hrs not an immediate rush out the door. But ppl just made comments as they left.

As for Alhanelem's comment, I don't doubt you don't believe cause you can never agree, and always want to be the troll in any thread you can possibly troll both here and xiv from what I remember. And with that I am not going to talk to you further because I will not argue with you like others tend to just because you have nothing better to do than antagonize ppl and try to start needless drama.

[Siviard]

Well, Tahn does have a point.

IRL, I suffer from horrible motion sickness, especially when I try to go deep sea fishing. I take Drammamine for that.

However, I have 99 GEO, and have skilled up alongside other GEOs, and not once have I gotten sick. So frankly, my dear, I say you're full of fecal matter.

[Alhanelem]

As for Alhanelem's comment, I don't doubt you don't believe cause you can never agree,I agree with lots of things. Contrary to popular belief, I don't come here for the purpose of disagreeing with everything I see. However, anyone of sound mind and logic and an understanding of what motion sickness actually is and how many people in the world are affected by it would see that the situation described in the original post is extremely improbable. So please take your anti-me agenda somewhere else.

You can find plenty of opinions, suggestions and ideas that i can agree with if you look through the forum. I also leave likes on many threads without posting a comment. You're just fixated on the negativity.

I don't have to justify myself to you, but just in case it makes a difference-

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/32203-Enhancing-Magic-Skill-Gain-Rate?p=417326&viewfull=1#post417326

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/33194-Filter-for-people-obtaining-plasm-please?p=428807&viewfull=1#post428807

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/32949-Can-we-please-have-some-server-merges?p=425331&viewfull=1#post425331 (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/32949-Can-we-please-have-some-server-merges?p=425331&viewfull=1#post425331)

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/32830-Dev-Request-Grant-Pets-50-of-the-potency-of-the-Master-s-active-buffs?p=427644&viewfull=1#post427644

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/32664-My-total-Reive-EXP-gain-nearly-400.-My-total-Reive-EXP-loss-nearly-40-000.?p=421821&viewfull=1#post421821

[Elexia]

Hmmm those filters didn't seem to work for me. I still get the effects of indi-spells even when its set to off. The 6 ppl leaving was over the course of a few hrs not an immediate rush out the door. But ppl just made comments as they left.

Kind of like people made the comment about PUPs "leeching" whenever you invited them to alliances >.>. As said, I don't think it's that people do or do not believe it, it's just..funny when you think about it. Rune Fencer's particle effects are a lot more prominent than the type Indi/Geoclosures use, yet no complaints.

Yes, Geo is the "loljob" of SoA, but honestly, I've seen only people who talk crap about Geo's say it causes them motion sickness. >.>

[Alhanelem]

It's not really LOL at all when applied properly. There are NMs in the expansion areas that are immune to almost everything, but GEO efffects work on them. Geo Gravity works on everything, where the actual spell is resisted by almost everything these days. Yes, it's not as easy to use, but it's better than not being able to have it at all.

But I am getting the feeling that (some, not all) people are using it as an excuse. I certainly know a fair few people who don't complain of motion sickness yet make excuses to not invite them...

[lllen]

Funny, I had to turn off Ninja magic effects (ni and ichi), and I can't play on a full screen have to be windowed, nor can I go down the long stairs from the top floor in the tower in Quifim (turn my head away and squint at the screen) I get very ill from the stairs. But I have no problem with Geo spells. I just realized as I was typing that I turned off Ninja but I would see Geo (when it first came out). But there are tricks to staying in the game, can't believe anyone would leave a group because of it, there has to be another reason.

[Merton9999]

I had one person leave my GoV party because of the aura. He said it was giving him a headache, but was very nice about it in /tell. Other comments have just been little kid jokes like "Can't you take a shower?" and things involving gassy foods. I've also had positive responses like "That looks cool!" and "I like bringing all the mobs into the pool."

The point is these effects are dramatic, one way or the other. Unlike RUN's, they're constant, not easy to ignore, and can fill an entire screen in small areas with swirling blur. Aesthetically, I think they're ugly as hell, and I don't want my entire video game screen filled with constant ugly, whether it makes me sick or not. I'm glad SE included them in existing filters at least.

[Mittenz]

I dont get an ill feeling until I have been around them for a while but I have gotten some pretty bad headaches after a bit to where I had to ask several members of my LS to stop skilling up while I was cleaving for them. its one of those things where it either affects you or doesnt the effect was something i turned off immedietly after the update and its definitely the right step now to get rid of the effect off the luopons and i am golden and maybe will even level the job myself.

Also the effects are not that bad at a decent distance but up close/inside them is when I start to feel the effects and have to turn away or simply leave as I have done even when doing things with friends. The job is not bad I just cant be around its effects~

[SMD111]

Also the effects are not that bad at a decent distance but up close/inside them is when I start to feel the effects and have to turn away or simply leave as I have done even when doing things with friends.

i agree

and to thoes that do not have a problem with the effects thats ok but just because you dont have a problem does not mean no one does

i know that some people never had a problem with that anime that was causing seizures but others were and thoes that did not have this issue were mad when the show was removed from tv (im not going to post the vid of the show and yes i know ware to find it)

[Glamdring]

I can't see the motion sickness issue, although a migraine is a distinct possibility as flashing lights have been used to trigger those (and seizures for that matter). My issue is the lag effect the animation causes, it's worse than weather effects because there are more of them. I have enough game freezing issues as it is.

Now, as to how to filter it, this is just a bogus mechanism. It should be a simple "Geomancer Aura on|off" "Luopan Aura on|off". I guess I can see them putting a filter for party/alliance, but most of us just want a simple on|off switch.

[Zirael]

If our Auras and Luopans make you so "sick", eat a Drammamine before playing.

For your Luopan sickness needs, it's Drammamine!
You seem to need it badly, so here's some of "Educating Rita" just for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy

The first case of epileptiform seizures related to a video game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game) was reported in 1981.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy#cite_note-VG-6) Since then, "many cases of seizures triggered by VGs were reported, not only in photosensitive, but also in nonphotosensitive children and adolescents with epilepsy.....Specific preventive measures concerning the physical characteristics of images included in commercially available VGs (flash rate, choice of colors, patterns, and contrast) can lead in the future to a clear decrease of this problem."[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy#cite_note-VG-6) Risks can be reduced through measures such as keeping a safe distance away from the screen (at least 2 meters).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy#cite_note-VG-6)
While computer displays in general present very little risk of producing seizures in PSE patients (much less risk than that presented by television sets), video games with rapidly changing images or highly regular patterns can produce seizures, and video games have increased in importance as triggers as they have become more common. Some people with no prior history of PSE may first experience a seizure while playing a video game. Often the sensitivity is very specific, e.g., it may be a specific scene in a specific game that causes seizures, and not any other scenes. Despite this, there are questions on the dangers of this, and calls for testing all video games for causing PSE.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy#cite_note-7) Laws requiring PSE warnings be displayed on packages and/or stores have been proposed [8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy#cite_note-8) and legal firms are keeping an eye on developments.[/URL]
and so on...
[url]https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=video+game+epilepsy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy#cite_note-9)

[Siviard]

You seem to need it badly, so here's some of "Educating Rita" just for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy

and so on...
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=video+game+epilepsy

FAIL!

I suffer from motion sickness, not seizures. And even though I have motion sickness issues IRL, the Geomancer Auras and Luopans DO NOT AFFECT ME. Therefore, your argument is invalid. Nice try, though.

[Demon6324236]

DO NOT AFFECT ME.Thats you, people are different from one another.

[Siviard]

Thats you, people are different from one another.

Very true. However, it was in response to the post above mine stating that I seem to have some sort of problem with epileptic seisures, which is not the case.

[ReplicaX]

It's not just motion sickness and headaches. I know ppl that lose a lot of FPS from the animation itself. Even with settings turned down it doesn't help them. The game is an Archaic port, still running on DX8 and on only a single core with ppl having all different hardware types.

It's sad ppl complain about others wanting a simple config option request when it doesn't effect them one bit.

[Alhanelem]

No fps loss here, personally, I don't have a monster CPU by today's standards, either.

It's unreasonable to accommodate all conditions and disabilities (especially those like epilepsy that often go undiagnosed because the person has never had a triggering event before); this is why all video games carry warnings about things they might cause. Nobody at SE could have predicted this, and it's too late to completely redesign the job so a few people don't feel sick, and even if they did redesign it, that's no guarantee that somebody else wouldn't feel sick.

[Jem]

wow what short memory you guys have. there was an entire post of people claiming to have adverse effects to the GEO animations and i was one of them. Enough people have spoken out about it already that something needed to be done. I'm glad some of you aren't having normal gameplay effected by these animations but that's no reason to put others down or say they are lying. have some empathy :(

I for one hope the filter was only the first step. Although i was disappointed it wasn't its own filter. At this point i have given up trying to play GEO. But at least the player > player filter helps me so that other people GEOs don't effect me to badly.

[Alhanelem]

I'm glad some of you aren't having normal gameplay effected by these animations but that's no reason to put others down or say they are lying. have some empathyI have empathy- I trust indvidiuals claiming they have issues, but there are people on these forums who exaggerate/dramatize in an attempt to get SE to hear them- I do not believe, given the rough number of people in the world afflicted with these conditions, that a third of an alliance left their group because they felt sick- It is far more likely they left because they thought the auras were ugly or whatever, if the story is true at all. I know all about motion sickness, my brother could not play game boy or read in the car without feeling ill.

Besides- these spell effects should have been included in the filters from the beginning, whether people got motion sick from them or not.

SE has already given explanations, regarding luopan currently not being affected by the filters due to a technical limitation, and it's unreasonable for SE to completely change/redo the effects entirely (though I'd agree with the notion that things like the FPS drop issue should have been forseen- the effects clearly have more optimization.) The framerate drop is probably making the motion sickness issue worse.

[Elexia]

It's not that I don't believe it or lack empathy, it's just, this happens every single time an "loljob" is around. Between RUN and GEO, Geo is considered the "loljob" and people will gladly say BS about it in any shape/form just to get away/get them kicked.

Same happened with BLU in 2006, same happened with PUP, same happened with DNC and SCH before updates.

[Jem]

It's not that I don't believe it or lack empathy, it's just, this happens every single time an "loljob" is around. Between RUN and GEO, Geo is considered the "loljob" and people will gladly say BS about it in any shape/form just to get away/get them kicked.

Same happened with BLU in 2006, same happened with PUP, same happened with DNC and SCH before updates.

i don't think this has anything to do with the issue, sickness/headaches from effects as a complaint from players is not common, the only time it's happened before is from the "heatwave" effect from fire weather, but fire weather is so rare it didn't effect that many people. GEO isn't being treated as the lol-job currently, it's RUN that doesn't have a place yet. some of the best LSs are already using GEO for new and old content because you would have to be foolish not to see the use behind debuffs that can't be resisted and reapply themselves even after the mob tries to remove them. GEO is a great debuffer and can do that from the mage party.

[Lithera]

I want to believe those who say they get headaches or feel ill from the geo/Indi spells, but there are people on these forums who just like to bitch. Also in all of the posts I've read in this thread and on the geomancer section people have never said how long did it take for these effects to take. This isn't the first time a effect from a job or weather has made people get headaches or feel ill. I suffer from motion sickness so I know how these people must feel. The only time a game has made me feel ill is when I'm doing a super high leap of faith in an AC game. Also what I would like to know is how zoomed in is your screen? I personally like to have mine zoomed out to the max. A lot of people who have complained about this have said that the effect was filling the whole screen. To me, that makes me think they're zoomed in a bit...

[Tsukino_Kaji]

People have been asking for cor specific filters since the job came out and for brd specific ones even longer. It's not going to happen.

[Behemothx]

I play GEO often and it even annoys me. There has to be an option in config specifically for geo auras, having your entire screen polluted by this sucks.

[Alhanelem]

I play GEO often and it even annoys me. There has to be an option in config specifically for geo auras, having your entire screen polluted by this sucks.
Having a personal dislike for the asthetics is completely different of an issue from what the topic is actually about.

It would be cool if you could toggle effects on a per-spell/ability basis, since within each filter category you might still want to see some effects and not others, but that's pretty much a pipe dream.

[Lithera]

I play GEO often and it even annoys me. There has to be an option in config specifically for geo auras, having your entire screen polluted by this sucks.

The devs already have said they need more time to think on how to have a filter for the loupans. They don't have one right now because they slapped them under the pet label and they work differently.

As to adress the Cor/Brd effects person you already know why these effects vs those from the Indi/Geo ones probably won't get a filter because one is a constant effect while active. The other set only happen during the activation/boosting and already fall under a filter. Don't want to see those cor rolls or Brd songs put the filters that already can block them on