RMT in Adoulin

[Kristal]

Seems like they are doing Support: Ceizak Battlegrounds with low level characters. They walk to bivouac #1, complete quest, then attack the nearest mob and death warp.

SE might want to put a level limit on starting reives...

On Bismarck, I noticed a pair of anon tarus called Koly and Elenn. Anyone noticed any others doing the same mechanical moves?

[Kojo]

Why would RMT do Coalition assignments? You are rewarded in XP and bayld, nothing I can think of off the top of my head that you get with bayld can be sold.

[Karah]

Seems like they are doing Support: Ceizak Battlegrounds with low level characters. They walk to bivouac #1, complete quest, then attack the nearest mob and death warp.

SE might want to put a level limit on starting reives...

On Bismarck, I noticed a pair of anon tarus called Koly and Elenn. Anyone noticed any others doing the same mechanical moves?

While I don't support RMT... I'm gonna have to wildly disagree with you... If they want to do a quest that we don't... that BENEFITS us... by keeping the bivouac(s) alive... why complain about it...

I do realize that when we start (if we start) doing wildskeeper reives they will have enough bayld to enter... but the number of participants doesnt affect rewards (now i guess its 100% r/e x1 for winning)...

[Asymptotic]

RMT's going to break the game getting 4000XP /day doing coalition assignments

[Alhanelem]

I can't imagine what the RMT see in this as it gets them no gil or sellable items.

[Concerned4FFxi]

unless this is a shortcut to making and selling new characters, after all thats what SE wants with SOA, people to come in noob and in a month be at cap with all gear like WOW.

[Kristal]

I can't imagine what the RMT see in this as it gets them no gil or sellable items.

Bayld converts to gil at a 2:1 ratio, so it's indeed not profitable enough for RMT. A player could still earn those 3000 bayld/day/mule and buy stuff to send to his main. Not a problem if they are run manually, but if you are using a 3rd party tool to do it for you, you're in the same book as RMT for me. And other then the lack of a distinct beep-boop sound, these tarus were fully automated, following the same path (down to the pixel) several times.

[Demon6324236]

Bayld converts to gil at a 2:1 ratioIt does? O.o

[detlef]

Trading bayld for pickaxes and npcing them is the next big thing.

[Richwood]

Trading bayld for pickaxes and npcing them is the next big thing.

Pickaxes worth like 50g pickaxes? I never did the choco blinkers. was on break from game for like 6 months came back heard of all these bot parties cruror botting and NPC'n blinkers. was nerfed soon after but seemed shady anyway. Jinjo on our server opening admitted that thier relics where funded by bottting curor 24/7 in abyssea via skype to some unsaid friends.

So now folks are trying to do the same with bayld?

[Umichi]

unless this is a shortcut to making and selling new characters, after all thats what SE wants with SOA, people to come in noob and in a month be at cap with all gear like WOW.

lol getting gear is second to skill and they will hit roadblocks if they don't find allies to help them along the way. last i checked unless someone whispers them and the4y know the location of gusgen mines they won't be leveling fast in a month. being an expert player using no aide from my main or other friends i know i'm still leveling a new char and it's been longer than a month...

[detlef]

Pickaxes worth like 50g pickaxes? I never did the choco blinkers. was on break from game for like 6 months came back heard of all these bot parties cruror botting and NPC'n blinkers. was nerfed soon after but seemed shady anyway. Jinjo on our server opening admitted that thier relics where funded by bottting curor 24/7 in abyssea via skype to some unsaid friends.

So now folks are trying to do the same with bayld?I could not have been less serious.

[Luvbunny]

Please stop with these nonsense, if people want to do blinker gate or bayld gate, or whatever, it's their time and money. Too bad you missed out on the blinker and gear fiasco. Those were great times. Getting gils should not be so hard in the game. Just keep the secret to yourself, and please by all means, TAKE ADVANTAGE of it NOW!!

[Demon6324236]

Please stop with these nonsense, if people want to do blinker gate or bayld gate, or whatever, it's their time and money. Too bad you missed out on the blinker and gear fiasco. Those were great times. Getting gils should not be so hard in the game. Just keep the secret to yourself, and please by all means, TAKE ADVANTAGE of it NOW!!Yes, inflate the economy rather than finding a legitimate way of making gil! Dynamis and WoE are so hard to get into its impossible for anyone new to make money!

[Mifaco]

Before dealing with the bayld bots, how about the highly damaging Beaucedine fishbots fishing Hakus? They're the ones pumping 2m gil into the economy each day.

[Xantavia]

Please stop with these nonsense, if people want to do blinker gate or bayld gate, or whatever, it's their time and money. Too bad you missed out on the blinker and gear fiasco. Those were great times. Getting gils should not be so hard in the game. Just keep the secret to yourself, and please by all means, TAKE ADVANTAGE of it NOW!!
Yeah, I'm sure the massive influx of free gil has nothing to do with the insane prices of GEO spells right now (which I'm guessing is an attempt by SE to remove it from circulation)

[Luvbunny]

Yeah, I'm sure the massive influx of free gil has nothing to do with the insane prices of GEO spells right now (which I'm guessing is an attempt by SE to remove it from circulation)

Those spells probably will drop somewhere else. Plenty of existing spells are priced ridiculously at NPC but very cheap once you know which mobs/areas/events drop them, obviously after those said spells become too common. Corsair dices are not too cheap either, but a lot less compared to Geo spells for sure. Whenever you find a way to get easy gills, someone always try to ruin your fun lol.

[Toioiz]

They could also be getting skirmish pieces from the quests every so often to sell in addition. Although with the rate of drops to normal players, they probably haven't gotten very many.

[Louispv]

Before dealing with the bayld bots, how about the highly damaging Beaucedine fishbots fishing Hakus? They're the ones pumping 2m gil into the economy each day.

Not unless they do something else to make fishing actually worth a damn. The only ways to make gil from fishing is to npc Hakuryu/sekiryu/soryu etc, or sell lik/gugrusaurus to people who want an ebisu to get the hakuryu. And that second option is dead since lik and gugrusaurus are undut to cheaper than hakuryu are for some retarded reason. Seriously, everyone, stop undercutting everything. It'll just take an hour longer to sell if you don't.

Fish aren't used in any worthwhile food or potions, they aren't part of armor. Aside from throwing your time and money at the .1% mercurial sword from ryugu titan, there's basically nothing to do with fishing if you remove the 4 sea serpents. And even that is crashing in price, since it was only valuable in preparation for Rune fencer, which ends up unable to use it.

You can't even sell matsya anymore, since it's been undercut to 220k each. (Catch 10 cave cherax to get 1 bait, use 10 bait to get one matsya, sell it for 220k, realize you spent 3 days to make less money than farming sarutabaruta crawlers for 20 minutes.)

[Kristal]

Trading bayld for pickaxes and npcing them is the next big thing.

Hatchets, actually.


Please stop with these nonsense, if people want to do blinker gate or bayld gate, or whatever, it's their time and money. Too bad you missed out on the blinker and gear fiasco. Those were great times. Getting gils should not be so hard in the game. Just keep the secret to yourself, and please by all means, TAKE ADVANTAGE of it NOW!!

Well, it's no longer a secret now. I'm not even that concerned about the gil earned, as it's trivial here. The double whammy of abyssea level whoring and abyssea's blinker gil fountain devastated the economy well before this. It's mostly the cheap automation that pisses me off, as if noone is going to bother reporting it.

[Rustic]

Please stop with these nonsense, if people want to do blinker gate or bayld gate, or whatever, it's their time and money. Too bad you missed out on the blinker and gear fiasco. Those were great times. Getting gils should not be so hard in the game. Just keep the secret to yourself, and please by all means, TAKE ADVANTAGE of it NOW!!

Go to your nearest community college and take a basic course on economics, please. You don't seem to understand how inflation works. Get lots of gil easily? Prices rise to match the higher Gil supply, negating your so-called "easy gil".

Since blinkers went bye-bye, I've watched prices coming down across the board on nearly everything. I'd be watching those RMT and seeing what they think the next "big thing" is, and squash it so prices STAY down.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Nerfing the bayld weild on the quests is not an option though. Reives are already bearly done regularly and these quests are going to quickly before the only way for people to bet bayld for quests and key items. Which would take over a week just to get a pair of feet, half a month to get a body, and nerly two months to get a set.
If there is any action regarding these, the bayld in the quests should be increased and the NPC'able items should be nerfed into the ground.

[Karah]

Go to your nearest community college and take a basic course on economics, please. You don't seem to understand how inflation works. Get lots of gil easily? Prices rise to match the higher Gil supply, negating your so-called "easy gil".

Since blinkers went bye-bye, I've watched prices coming down across the board on nearly everything. I'd be watching those RMT and seeing what they think the next "big thing" is, and squash it so prices STAY down.

Not to fault you directly, but I just adore it when people complain/compare economy in a video game... it's just so... I guess "cute"?

It's not real, I mean, come on. FFXI is not a country with a value... (people DO give it value, but it does not have ACTUAL value) ((semantics argument inbound)).

Nothing would make me happier than seeing everything sell-able (in all forms) be made unsellable... the unmitigated glee as everyone's head exploded would be indescribable. "ZOMG YOU RUINED A FAKE ECONOMY THE REPERCUSSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111"

[Spiritmage]

To be quite fair, all the money had to come from somewhere when the game first started. Quests, NPCing random items. It's not like everyone who started when the game first launched was given 1 million Gil.

[Tohihroyu]

RL economy IS effected by those who buy gil (in a small way but still is), and these days and even in this topic its fully supported by the player community, and those who don't buy gil, bot and/or cheat their asses off are regarded as gimps, since you can't afford (in gil and RL money) to merc your way to all the 1337 gear while the elitists laugh and group you with the "gimps who full time perle/aurore/teal" Matusi is *trying* to eliminate that, but with certain higher power folks kissing the ass of the biggest bot using, cheat using/enabling and full of nothing but Internet tough guy thugs fourm who bully the "lessers" even fucking laughing if the "gimp" was bullied so bad by them that they commit suicide (not saying it actually happened but I would not put it past them) just because they didn't have the gear they had, didn't have the extra money to throw away on bots and buying gil and so on and so fourth!

Yeah I'm one of the "haters" who reports your bots, reports you for flee hacking, reports your fish botting, Fell cleave burn bots/RMT (Though I do think there's a FEW "Legit" ones...) Though it may be in vain due to how much the majority of the NA/EU community supports botting, RMT & use of 3pp, with how little reports get sent the GM's don't have much for "Proof" since looking at your system is a privacy violation (yet for the big 3pp its awright, gotta weed out the weakest links, right guys?)

So in a nutshell, unless other "gimps" step up and report we are stuck with it. Too many in this game support RMT, botting and their ilk, and not enough GM's to ban them, RMT are like Hydra, take one head off, more will grow.

And when I speak of RMT, I don't mean just the "Chinese gil farmers" there's just as many NA/EU who proudly work for RMT companies and flaunt it.

I know BG will laugh about this, but I really could care less, they are nothing but worthless thuglets who have nothing better to do then to circle jerk over all the gimps they took screenshots of so they can laugh because they don't do what "everyone else" does.

[SpankWustler]

Oh no! The RMT are doing something that benefits the whole server rather than making people miserable in Dynamis! How terrible!

[Demon6324236]

RL economy IS effected by those who buy gil (in a small way but still is), and these days and even in this topic its fully supported by the player community, and those who don't buy gil, bot and/or cheat their asses off are regarded as gimps, since you can't afford (in gil and RL money) to merc your way to all the 1337 gear while the elitists laugh and group you with the "gimps who full time perle/aurore/teal" Matusi is *trying* to eliminate that, but with certain higher power folks kissing the ass of the biggest bot using, cheat using/enabling and full of nothing but Internet tough guy thugs fourm who bully the "lessers" even fucking laughing if the "gimp" was bullied so bad by them that they commit suicide (not saying it actually happened but I would not put it past them) just because they didn't have the gear they had, didn't have the extra money to throw away on bots and buying gil and so on and so fourth!

Yeah I'm one of the "haters" who reports your bots, reports you for flee hacking, reports your fish botting, Fell cleave burn bots/RMT (Though I do think there's a FEW "Legit" ones...) Though it may be in vain due to how much the majority of the NA/EU community supports botting, RMT & use of 3pp, with how little reports get sent the GM's don't have much for "Proof" since looking at your system is a privacy violation (yet for the big 3pp its awright, gotta weed out the weakest links, right guys?)

So in a nutshell, unless other "gimps" step up and report we are stuck with it. Too many in this game support RMT, botting and their ilk, and not enough GM's to ban them, RMT are like Hydra, take one head off, more will grow.

And when I speak of RMT, I don't mean just the "Chinese gil farmers" there's just as many NA/EU who proudly work for RMT companies and flaunt it.

I know BG will laugh about this, but I really could care less, they are nothing but worthless thuglets who have nothing better to do then to circle jerk over all the gimps they took screenshots of so they can laugh because they don't do what "everyone else" does.This post... I don't even...

[Schrute]

pretty sure the main thing they would be after is skirmish parts. there is a small chance at getting a part from doing coalition tags. if they manage to get one skirmish part once a day, that's great money.

[Calintzpso]

RMT's going to break the game getting 4000XP /day doing coalition assignments

Just a note, Turned in my alts Front-line Support supply quest to Foret de hennetiel Op. I got 1249 EXP on a level 1 no exp job at 3x Tags instead of the 6000 EXP I should have with the Baylds(still got 6k Baylds for 3x Tags).

So basically getting EXP from Ops per turn in can only level you once and at most, Cap you to 1exp from next level. I tested this again at Levels 5, 7, and 9 and got the same results.

There is no easy Tag burn leveling from ops that's going to come from this. At most the EXP's only real use is to recap you, maybe the occasional level.

Oh and if you turn in as a level 2 at 749/750 exp to next level It does screw you. You'll get 1000 exp in the above instance(gaining you a level, and still at 999/1000 from next level).

[Ryolen]

I don't understand how most of the people complaining about RMT are third party users that have an advantage over people who opt to play the game fairly. Hypocrites ftw . I'm not against third party users as most of my friends use em, but don't cry about someone else breaking the ToA when you are doing it too.

[Rustic]

Not to fault you directly, but I just adore it when people complain/compare economy in a video game... it's just so... I guess "cute"?

It's not real, I mean, come on. FFXI is not a country with a value... (people DO give it value, but it does not have ACTUAL value) ((semantics argument inbound)).

How about me basing it off a decade of watching FFXI's economy ebb and flow and the reasons why? Comes from being a long-term crafter, my guess. :)

And yes, thanks to RMT's (rule-breaking) action the Gil actually has genuine value, despite being a virtual currency only good in FFXI. The Linden it isn't, but it's still exchanged for real currency, and in sufficient amounts that manipulating it's value and amounts results in quite real profits to said illegal groups who sell it to others. And yes, that means manipulating FFXI's in-game economy to attempt to make the rate of exchange for some shmuck's dollars better.


Nothing would make me happier than seeing everything sell-able (in all forms) be made unsellable... the unmitigated glee as everyone's head exploded would be indescribable. "ZOMG YOU RUINED A FAKE ECONOMY THE REPERCUSSIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111"

As it'd neatly obliterate crafting as we know it and jam a big thick sandpaper-coated rod up the collective rear ends of folks doing R/M/E weaponry, I'm sure it'd make you happy. Without a method of commerce, nobody would be farming anything save for whatever directly benefits them- as there's no benefit to doing so. Good luck on getting your ninja tools, your prism powders, your quest items for gobbiebags, etc. etc...oh, and have fun getting items off the NPC vendors with no real source of income save repeatable quests.

Without an economy, the game would grind to a halt. Your naive quips on the situation are adorably ignorant. Stay classy, my friend.

[Rustic]

I don't understand how most of the people complaining about RMT are third party users that have an advantage over people who opt to play the game fairly. Hypocrites ftw . I'm not against third party users as most of my friends use em, but don't cry about someone else breaking the ToA when you are doing it too.

Haven't used a single third-party program the entire time I've been on FFXI. That's a decade+ now. And I'd /dance if S-E started making very public examples of the folks who think using them is perfectly A-OK to walk through doors, fleehack, etc. etc.

I vote for having them stuck in a room with Jormy and eaten repeatedly until they're at minimum level on all jobs. It's a classic.

[Rustic]

To be quite fair, all the money had to come from somewhere when the game first started. Quests, NPCing random items. It's not like everyone who started when the game first launched was given 1 million Gil.

Very true. And prices were relatively lower at that point, as the small amount of Gil in circulation meant that Gil was worth more relative to the items it purchased.

And brain dead "Make gil easier to get" folks aside, anyone who followed the flow of RMT's gil-pumping influence as it's gone up and down in FFXI can see the difference as AH prices rise and fall to follow it.

They can't do what they did in the old days- block access AND pump prices up - but they can still hyperinflate the market given an engine to do so, and the more Gil in the system that isn't gil-sinked back via NPC's, the larger the amount of Gil people need to get anything from others. Since blinkers got taken out as a Gil-pump, I've seen prices on some high-volume items drop by a third or more. Less gil in the system = more purchasing power per Gil.

[Horadrim]

Additionally, it should be noted that just about everything you do in Seekers of Adoulin can land you a Skirmish entry item.

So that's another thing. (Though frankly, I'd love to see RMT accidentally flood the market with those and drop the price down to a more appropriate value, lol)

[Karah]

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I was gonna, but eh, it's boring. Just going to put a reply cause well I can.

You don't seem to have a real grasp of just how easy it is to make money on here.

On any given day (without giving any details) I (or anyone) can make over 3,000,000 without even touching dynamis, or crafting, or farming skirmish items.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I kind of miss the old inflated days where I could make a millions a week on just mithkabobs.

[Luvbunny]

Used to be that you don't really need gil much unless you are making Relic or Mythic. When Abyssea pretty much give you all of your rare/ex Empyrean plus 2 gears, and all of those rare/ex accessories. All you need is a group of friend to help you get your gears. And everyone get the same chance for the loot. Meeble also give you "points as currency". Would it be great where you don't need gils for your gears and spend your "various points" for your gears. So if you are actively doing the contents, you are rewarded, instead of just using your credit cards to purchase these gears....

[Rustic]

I was gonna, but eh, it's boring. Just going to put a reply cause well I can.

You don't seem to have a real grasp of just how easy it is to make money on here.

On any given day (without giving any details) I (or anyone) can make over 3,000,000 without even touching dynamis, or crafting, or farming skirmish items.

Sure you can (not sarcastic). Heck, I can run around Qufim and pick up over 100K in AH stuff in a single cycle of punching undead in the face, too- and that's an hour or two, never mind a whole day, and me a mere 55 THF doing it vs. an experienced, well-geared character that can go in more places.

Simple as that. Whatever you can do, RMT can do constantly, more often, and better as far as Gil-generation is concerned. I know, you can park yourself in Abyssea and pop chests all day for dark rings and whatnot. And you've been playing long enough to know the cardinal rule that any money-making scheme you have shouldn't be told- I wouldn't even ask. But it's the normal rate of Gil going into the system there. That's the way it works, and you put time in and get Gil out.

That's unlike what we had with blinkers, where you could have one person with 18 characters being multiboxed, accumulating cruor left and right (plus the usual items and such), cashing it all in, and not sinking a bit of it. 24-7. Or for that matter, fishbots, or whatever Adoulin scammery they're up to now. Mindless pumping of Gil into the system without sinking a bit of it, nor with any time being "wasted" on play. I see you dropped about 750K over the last week on the AH alone. Plus whatever you might happen to have spent in direct player-to-player transactions/NPCs, of course. You build up Gil, you spend Gil.

That's entirely different from packs of mostly-automated accounts that are used solely to generate Gil and hand it over to others (for real money), 24/7/365.