Abyssea Dominion Retake

[Manux]

I would like SE to add something like this >> field of manual in abyssea where you can just retake any Dominion Ops rather then going there clicking after so money kills sorry for my bad english.

[Aineko]

Sounds like a reasonable idea to me, since you can do the same with both Fields of Valor and Grounds of Valor.

[Kojo]

Has already been asked and dismissed by the reps. Besides, Abyssea is too easy already, think of the walk back to the NPC as the challenge.

[Manux]

Has already been asked and dismissed by the reps. Besides, Abyssea is too easy already, think of the walk back to the NPC as the challenge.

if that the case they should have done that with the both Fields of Valor and Grounds of Valor would make sense if they took what you said.

[Kojo]

if that the case they should have done that with the both Fields of Valor and Grounds of Valor would make sense if they took what you said.

I'm assuming you mean they should've patched Dom Ops when they did GoV/FoV, as I said; it has be dismissed by the reps, who are basically translators for the developers, Dom Ops isn't a copy and paste of GoV/FoV, it's a different system altogether, that was the reason given, the reason Dom Ops pages do not repeat.

EDIT: This (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/22533-Dominion-Ops.) is the other thread discussing this subject and why it can't be done.

[Manux]

I still think they should add it. If you like this idea click Like button please and post here thank you. For those that think its a bad idea flame the thread lol...

[Kojo]

Did you read the thread in the link I posted?

[Fawkes]

I'm assuming you mean they should've patched Dom Ops when they did GoV/FoV, as I said; it has be dismissed by the reps, who are basically translators for the developers, Dom Ops isn't a copy and paste of GoV/FoV, it's a different system altogether, that was the reason given, the reason Dom Ops pages do not repeat.

EDIT: This (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/22533-Dominion-Ops.) is the other thread discussing this subject and why it can't be done.

There's no post by the reps in that thread, or any convincing argument for why it can't be done.

If they can't set it to repeat, they should make seals for +1 armor drop 100% from it. And quests while we're at it.

[nyheen]

abyssea is already to easy. like do we need a page repeat on top of the 1k exp boxes and 600+ exp a kill there? it was done in GoV and FoV since they dont have all them big exp bonus. so to be fair they done it like that

[Fawkes]

I imagine most of the people who would want this are soloing Ops and not getting 300k exp per hour. I don't really care if abyessea exp gets made faster for groups, it's already stupid how fast it is so making it faster for them wouldn't break anything.

[Elphy]

Agreed, with the super speed of aby exp this wouldnt be game breaking and having to run back to ops all the time is just more of a nuisance than anything, esp when you are soloing.

Yes aby is already too easy but at this point who really cares anymore, just set ops to repeat and be done with it

[JouriStarz]

I agree it should be done too, the running to the npc isn't what makes it hard and not running won't make it easier. It would make it more fun which is always good even if it means we have to be burdened with 3% faster exp.

[nyheen]

so make it more easy because it already easy? it a reason why SE didn put it on dominion. if SE wanted to add it on that it would of been done it on the same day they added FoV GoV repeat.

[Sapphire]

Dom Ops are coded as quests. Repeatable quests yes, but all quests have to be completed and then reflagged.

That's why they can't be set to auto-repeat. The quest is not complete till you talk to the quest giver.

Hate it all you want, but that is the coding truth.

[detlef]

The whole reason doll and buffalo camps were popular was because they were close to the Ops NPC. It's funny that the same people who like to complain about Abyssea being too easy also like to complain about how people only XP in a few places (Gusgen, CN, and Abyssea). Well here's a suggestion that would get people branching out to fight different things and avoid confrontation but no it makes things too easy.

Abyssea is no longer the center of FFXI and congestion at XP camps really isn't an issue anymore (and many/most opt for worm camp anyhow). Still, it's a nice idea for people who want to XP in Abyssea off the beaten path.

[Fawkes]

It also wouldn't hurt if they stuck a healer/raise NPC in Bastion.

[Kari]

I honestly just think there needs to be more copies of the NPCs that give the ops.
It's really dumb design that some of the mobs are nowhere near the NPC.

As far as page repeats, SE said it wasn't possible because of the way dominion was designed. It's original intent was not "do page, get exp". The "idea" behind Dominion Ops was to keep doing them for "progress" to spawn NMs and ???s. Except, capping that progress ended up being ridiculously easy, and you almost never see said NMs or ???s despawned.
In short, the reason they can't set it to repeat, is that they can't add the "progress" part of dominion to an auto-repeat code. Even if they could, SE would probably think it's too unfair for the design around it.

[nyheen]

Gusgen & CN is not the only camps around. it just everyone think spamming easy 3xp mobs with 18/18 + page is better then duo, tri or even 6/6 fighting T or even match any DDs mages can do that. 100+-300 exp + page and chains. dont have to be (VT,IT if you hardcore with good pt go for it!).

places. GC, quicksand. Qufim, Eldieme Necropolis, Yhoator Jungle, Kuftal Tunnel. it like 25+ others i can think of but you get the point. it just people only pick Gusgen and CN with 18 like it the best camp.lol

[Manux]

Did you read the thread in the link I posted?


My idea is to have it auto repeat dominion Ops (unless SE said they can't do it, its an idea gets used to it).


Hes idea: "Instead of having Dominion Ops repeatable, The idea is giving the player the option to double or triple up on Dominion Ops (Quests), this could help with the lag around the Dominion Sergeant NPC, also within a big party the mobs tend to die so fast, one could be walking out to fight and complete Said Op, having to just walk back to Dominion Sergeant just to claim the reward. This could also help and stop players from just running laps.

Example:
Talk to the Dominion Sergeant, Player can pick one of the following;
Option 1.) Kill 5 Mechanical Menace. Reward 5,000xp.
Option 2.) Kill 15 Mechanical Menace. Reward 15,000xp.
Option 3.) Kill 30 Mechanical Menace. Reward 30,000xp.
(Cruor, Seals works the same how they are now.)"

[Manux]

I honestly just think there needs to be more copies of the NPCs that give the ops.
It's really dumb design that some of the mobs are nowhere near the NPC.

As far as page repeats, SE said it wasn't possible because of the way dominion was designed. It's original intent was not "do page, get exp". The "idea" behind Dominion Ops was to keep doing them for "progress" to spawn NMs and ???s. Except, capping that progress ended up being ridiculously easy, and you almost never see said NMs or ???s despawned.
In short, the reason they can't set it to repeat, is that they can't add the "progress" part of dominion to an auto-repeat code. Even if they could, SE would probably think it's too unfair for the design around it.

dude have you even been in exp party in Abyssea-La Theine Plateau 18/18 and bashing the worms left right center if that's way easy. They have all ready killed the exping party all ready putting dominion Ops auto repeat won't change a thing.



Nice now the GM taken down the Like button i wonder when they going to add that lol 16/04/2013 2.30pm

[Manux]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/9650-One-minor-change-that-would-make-FoV-GoV-and-Dom-Ops-AWESOME


Please add in the feature that, when a player completes a Field of Valor, Grounds of Valor, or Dominion Ops page, instead of having to return to the tome/manual/NPC, the player is given the following dialog:

"You have completed this page. Would you like to repeat the same page? Yes/No"

The only problem with these three systems is that they limit camp possibilities; players tend to stick to killing whatever is closest to the book/NPC because no one wants to walk 10 mins to camp, kill 5-6 mobs, walk 10 mins back to the book/NPC, then get anotehr page and walk 10 mins back to camp and repeat. This is especially bad in areas like Crawler's Nest or Garlaige Citadel where everyone just crowds the entrance and 80% of the pages are unutilized. The same goes for Abyssea; so many Dom Ops pages are virtually never done because they're simply way too far from an NPC compared to others.

Please add in the ability to allow players to automatically repeat a page when it is completed. This would open up so many more camp site options and give people way more targets to kill because it would allow them to go deeper into an area, away from the crowd, and repeat their pages there.

Thank you for your time.


Click Like lol I hope the GM takes hes Like button off too lol


GM as of now:


Brought this up with the head honchos on the dev. team in charge of this. System wise there are a lot of elements that would have to be considered in order to display a window and manually select to repeat a page, so keep in mind that this would be difficult to implement right away.

For Fields/Grounds of Valor it's most likely possible to have a method where you could automatically repeat a selected page. How does this sound? Please understand that this is something we're considering and not a guarantee at this time.

Dominion OPs on the other hand are a completely different system and we wouldn’t be able to do the exact same thing. Unlike the above, implementing this would be pretty difficult.


"Dominion OPs on the other hand are a completely different system and we wouldn’t be able to do the exact same thing. Unlike the above, implementing this would be pretty difficult"


We would like this and we don't mind waiting for it!!!!


(I have this on screenshot page 4 don't plan on taking it down GM)

[Kojo]

This thread has gotten more and more.... Daft? Dumb? Hard-headed?

I'm not sure what you mean by the GM stuff, but Bayohne isn't a GM, he's a Community Representative, basically a bilingual messenger for the Developmental Team, which would be the ones who'd implement these changes, look at it this way; by Bayohne, Camate, Okipuit, and formerly Rukkirii and Hvinire saying no it's basically the Devs saying no, Bayohne's comment on Dom Ops reputition was basically him saying no without saying no. Abyssea isn't the hot content anymore, it's a source of decent gear and fast XP, it is a means to an end. Put simply: It's not gonna happen.

Please, one of you reps just explicitly say yes or no so this will end. Another, more useful thread could be in the spot this one is hogging in the Hot Topics bar.

[Manux]

"I'm not sure what you mean by the GM stuff" And yes you are right "This thread has gotten more and more.... Daft? Dumb? Hard-headed?"

But explain to me why are you flaming on this thread?
Maybe you lost your brain cells and forgot about the like button?

I came up with an idea that was all, but just found out someone beat me too it read there:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/9650-One-minor-change-that-would-make-FoV-GoV-and-Dom-Ops-AWESOME

If you don't like the idea turn around look else where.

[Manux]

but then again "This thread has gotten more and more.... Daft? Dumb? Hard-headed?"
why bother post then lol

[Kojo]

No, you didn't come up with it, you merely thought it up and didn't use the search to see if it had already been addressed, and my valid information wasn't flaming, it was...information. There is a like button, your idea, as useful as it may be, has been dismissed, there have been reasons given as to "why not", yet like a child you keep petitioning for something that won't happen, the devs are on FFXIV Seekers of Adoulin now, I seriously doubt they will backpedal to Abyssea for one unnecessary patch that will take more time and effort than it's worth.

Petitioning for this as stubbornly as you are is about the same as a human flapping their arms to try and fly; it's not gonna happen, you don't have feathers, and your bones are too heavy. You are not a bird.

[Manux]

Where has it been dismissed show me proof till then let the thread roll?
But if you imagined that you can do it tho lol?
Petitioning for this as stubbornly as you are is about the same as a human flapping their arms to try and fly; it's not gonna happen, you don't have feathers, and your bones are too heavy. You are not a bird.

Since when did you become a mind reader that's creepy...
No, you didn't come up with it, you merely thought it up and didn't use the search to see if it had already been addressed,

And on the record it has not been addressed only a mind reader like yourself thinks it has been and it not my idea since someone beat me to it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/9650-One-minor-change-that-would-make-FoV-GoV-and-Dom-Ops-AWESOME

Click Like!!!

Originally Posted by Bayohne << Community Representative << or GM
"Dominion OPs on the other hand are a completely different system and we wouldn’t be able to do the exact same thing. Unlike the above, implementing this would be pretty difficult"


We would like this and we don't mind waiting for it!!!!

Take your time right down an essay lol

[Kojo]

I should also point out, no one removed the Like button, you can't like your own posts.

[Manux]

I know that O.o they just changed it, and they will keep on doing it to fool you.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5903/seethis.png

[Kojo]

I'm not sure if you're joking or not...

[Sapphire]

It's been explained that Dom Ops are quests and can't be set to auto-repeat several times so here, I'll just write up an alternate idea - note, this isn't something I want or need, this is just an example.

"Dear SE, it would be really awesome if I could get some of the bonus rewards from Dom Ops for the farther off mobs, but having to return after every set kills that idea. I do understand that Ops are coded as quests, and are related to the Dominion for the region, so they can't simply be set to auto-repeat. So I propose an alternate system in addition to Dom Ops. An NPC will give us repeatable pages, with similar mobs as the Dom Ops, but coded like FoV or GoV. I do understand that this will take some traffic away from the Dom Ops, so I propose that if players use this system, they willingly forgo getting Dominion Notes as rewards. This system would award extra EXP only. Would this be a viable alternative to help people gain exp in more locations? Thanks."

There - problem pointed out, limitations acknowledged, solution proposed, complete with a compromise.

[Manux]

if you need the evidence i can post it to you at Phoenix.Kojo ffxiah

I apologize Kojo if you took it hash that was not what I intend.
and yes you can agree and disagree just waiting for one of those community representative to show up here ...O.o

[Kojo]

That is odd, maybe a bug or maybe they are tweaking the forum.

EDIT: also, I actually agree, it'd be a nice addition, I just don't see it happening, based on what Bayohne said.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

I know that O.o they just changed it, and they will keep on doing it to fool you.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5903/seethis.png

No problem on my end. Try starting your browser in safe mode or try a different browser altogether.

[Demon6324236]

I know that O.o they just changed it, and they will keep on doing it to fool you.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5903/seethis.pngI had the same problem a week ago, I assume it is a mini-ban of sorts or something like that, because now its gone and I can like posts again, want proof posts can still be liked by everyone else, look at the date/time of any new post in a thread with likes, it was after yours, and yet has likes, which means someone has to be able to like things.

[Horadrim]

I would like SE to add something like this >> field of manual in abyssea where you can just retake any Dominion Ops rather then going there clicking after so money kills sorry for my bad english.

Won't happen because of RMT.

Do some research and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Manux]

Only way RMT goes away is when SE makes a deal with google, yahoo and any other top search engine and tells them no more RMT on search engines but then again i don't c it happening due to the fact they lose out on the fair share of the money.