Tidal Talisman - Request

[RyujinSephy]

I've seen a few people with the Tidal Talisman, more lately with players returning with the release of SoA. I looked it up when I first saw one and I know it was a limited time sale and the note that it was the only release. But I'm throwing this request out there since people like myself would really like another chance or in some cases a first chance.

I think it would be a great idea to help celebrate the 11th Vana'versary of Final Fantasy 11, to sell this item again with the in-game code. (I know we have Voidwatch warps and various other ways to get around but still... it's a neat item.^^)

Please consider this request. Thank you.

[Alhanelem]

Not going to happen, it was an exclusive reward for players who bought the actual tidal talisman jewelry from the SE store.

Games do this all the time these days, and if you miss it you miss it.

How would you like it if you bought the collectors edition of a game because it offered some exclusive item as an incentive, then later after the colelctors edition is discontinued, they offer it agian, making your exclusive reward not so exclusive anymore? Basically, it breaks a promise.

[Karah]

The almighty dollar trumps all. If enough people are willing to spend (MOREMOREMORE) real money on it, and enough (say) they will, they'll probably do it again.

[RyujinSephy]

Not going to happen, it was an exclusive reward for players who bought the actual tidal talisman jewelry from the SE store.

Games do this all the time these days, and if you miss it you miss it.

How would you like it if you bought the collectors edition of a game because it offered some exclusive item as an incentive, then later after the colelctors edition is discontinued, they offer it agian, making your exclusive reward not so exclusive anymore? Basically, it breaks a promise.

They do that now, it's called pre-ordering a game with exclusive DLC. Then a few months later they release all the exclusive DLC for download. Look at FFXIII-2, all the pre-order bonuses are now just available for downloads for a price. I pre-ordered the game, 2 copies actually, to get the pre-order bonuses I wanted than they just added them later. Actually it didn't bother me at all because it was my decision to pre-order 2 copies and I think people who:

[A] Couldn't afford it at the time.
or [B] Had some other reason not be able to play.

It shouldn't matter. These games are to be enjoyed to their fullest why punish people who play to collect because for the above reasons. They are bringing back other items that used to be only gotten one way.

Heck when I started playing I ran into a person with a Moogle Cap that helped me out, when I asked "Where did you get that?" They replied, "It doesn't matter because you'll never be able to get one." I was thrilled when they released the Key Chains that had it and I bought one.

Besides the money we spend helps the games we love. :) If people are worried about their Tidal Talisman not being 'exclusive' anymore. Look at the Nomad Cap vs Moogle Cap. Can also make a new Tidal Talisman call it some else, change the color a little bit or the look a little, and give it same effect. Would still be just as nice to have in my opinion.

[Caketime]

Not going to happen, it was an exclusive reward for players who bought the actual tidal talisman jewelry from the SE store.

Games do this all the time these days, and if you miss it you miss it.

How would you like it if you bought the collectors edition of a game because it offered some exclusive item as an incentive, then later after the colelctors edition is discontinued, they offer it agian, making your exclusive reward not so exclusive anymore? Basically, it breaks a promise.

I suggest a Camembert to go with that whine.

[Alhanelem]

They do that now, it's called pre-ordering a game with exclusive DLC. Then a few months later they release all the exclusive DLC for download. Look at FFXIII-2, all the pre-order bonuses are now just available for downloads for a price.that doesn't mean its an okay practice. if its stated to be exclusive it should be exclusive.


I suggest a Camembert to go with that whine. I don't have a TT and i don't care who has one. the OP is the one who needs the right kind of cheese.


It shouldn't matter. These games are to be enjoyed to their fullest why punish people who play to collect because for the above reasons. They are bringing back other items that used to be only gotten one way.If you play to collect you should have been watching for stuff like this when it came out.

Heaven forbid an item promised as exclusive actually stays exclusive.

[Kojo]

There were supposed to be more items and they never followed through. Personally, I think we should still be able to buy lawn darts, yeah they were dangerous and they killed a few kids, but I wasn't around in the 70's, so I never got the pleasure of throwing a lawn dart at a friend and him throwing it back at me.

[Demon6324236]

If you play to collect you should have been watching for stuff like this when it came out.

Heaven forbid an item promised as exclusive actually stays exclusive.If you play to collect, collect something in real life, not something in a game, nothing in a game should be exclusive, in my opinion its stupid BS.

[Alhanelem]

If you play to collect, collect something in real life, not something in a game, nothing in a game should be exclusive, in my opinion its stupid BS.
Well, in this case, the ingame item is a bonus that came with a real life item :p

[Caketime]

in b4 lawn darts become available for purchase in Jeuno from unscrupulous Goblin merchants. Also, in b4 the Duchy of Jeuno outlaws the sale of lawn darts for the purposes of gambling.

Hey Al, are you only against this idea because you bought one of those talismans and don't want anyone else to have the ingame item lest your snowflake lose some luster?

[Demon6324236]

Well, in this case, the ingame item is a bonus that came with a real life item :pRight, but the ingame item should not be exclusive only to those who bought the real item. Its like pre-order promotions and such, you buy something from a special place or buy a special item and you get extra things in a game that can be acquired no other way, in my opinion, total BS. Items in a game should be able to be gotten either way, now if it was an item which you could get normally via a quest or something, and they gave it away still when you buy something, different story. I'm sick of games having restricted content because you didn't buy something, like the satchel, or in this case, the Talisman, both of which are highly useful for utility, one for space, the other for transportation, and the latter was out when traveling was still a pain.

I understand what you are getting at, and to a point if its only visual, I agree, but things with real effects, I disagree. When a game gives you a free 'skin' for a pre-order, I'm ok, if this was a level 1 shield with 0 defense that had some cute design on it that was purely for decoration, that would be ok, but items with real effects and abilities, not so much.

[Kojo]

I don't really use my in-game talisman, only very rarely. I use my IRL talisman all the time, I save gas by teleporting to the grocery store, problem is I have to walk home because of the long cooldown. SE you should reduce cooldown on Tidal Talisman, I have a bad back.

[Umichi]

Being someone who purchased one I recieved a number with my item.... it is a limited collector's item.. printing more would only devalue the price of my necklace which I plan on passing on to my children.. people these days are so out of touch with why this necklace was a limited issue... It's not because of the in-game item we got (which was added because of the release of the player's collection), it's not because the piece of jewelry celebrated the first piece released of the players collection. It's because it was apart of the player collection accesories. the in-game item has no real value outside of a 24 hour tele to jeuno or kazham or from ahty to the marsh place.. forgot the name... and that's for everyone in your party... each person has to have visited the place (meaning they can get there just like me.. many more times actualy during my 24 hour wait) so it's not like I'm op'ing anything with it and it can only be collected once...


My only question to you is why? Why do you want this item re-released? It's a limited edition I'm sure they will release more as they have done so in the past before. Just be patient and your chance will come lol...

[Umichi]

Right, but the ingame item should not be exclusive only to those who bought the real item. Its like pre-order promotions and such, you buy something from a special place or buy a special item and you get extra things in a game that can be acquired no other way, in my opinion, total BS. Items in a game should be able to be gotten either way, now if it was an item which you could get normally via a quest or something, and they gave it away still when you buy something, different story. I'm sick of games having restricted content because you didn't buy something, like the satchel, or in this case, the Talisman, both of which are highly useful for utility, one for space, the other for transportation, and the latter was out when traveling was still a pain.

I understand what you are getting at, and to a point if its only visual, I agree, but things with real effects, I disagree. When a game gives you a free 'skin' for a pre-order, I'm ok, if this was a level 1 shield with 0 defense that had some cute design on it that was purely for decoration, that would be ok, but items with real effects and abilities, not so much.

What if someone loses their real life necklace? This also wasn't like a pre-order item.. they announced it's release said there was an order peoriod. you placed an order. when time was up on order taking SE made and numbered each necklace then shiped them out. i fail to see where any pre-ordering was done. they surely didn't make any back stock and they didn't do a midnight release or continued selling it.

They also weren't celebrating anything outside of the release of the FFXI player's collection. which is a line of accesories. The ingame item was added to celebrate it being the first item in the line.

[Trumpy]

alot of those games with preorder DLC have wised up and started calling them "early access to..." I noticed alot of games releasing the exclusive DLC later like that, then change the wording to the above and was thinkin "hmm that was smart of them." I am glad they release the stuff later as alot of these games stopped having ONE preorder bonus DLC, they started having different DLC for where you bought it from. Like you bought it from wal mart so you get a fancy new helmet, but your friend got it from gamestop so he got nice shoulder pads. I really dislike this practice, with 7 different preorder bonuses.

[Demon6324236]

My point was I do not mind things like that which are simply visual, I rather dislike things like that which are statistically relevant, in this case, the warps are actually nice.

[Umichi]

but not statistically relevant... it's a 24 hour warp.


alot of those games with preorder DLC have wised up and started calling them "early access to..." I noticed alot of games releasing the exclusive DLC later like that, then change the wording to the above and was thinkin "hmm that was smart of them." I am glad they release the stuff later as alot of these games stopped having ONE preorder bonus DLC, they started having different DLC for where you bought it from. Like you bought it from wal mart so you get a fancy new helmet, but your friend got it from gamestop so he got nice shoulder pads. I really dislike this practice, with 7 different preorder bonuses.

your still fixating on the pre-order thing.. this item wasn't related to any ingame event or anything to do with the game outside of Leviathan and the game as a whole story wise and community wise. it was related to a RL event with an in-game item attached to it. japanese cultures haves these very often and we were actually fortunate SE offered it to us as they could have kept it purely for jp only as many companies do. take monster hunter for example. much of their merchandise is jp onry.

None the less this item wasn't celebrating anything in relation to the game outside of name. so try not to compare the 50 dollar piece of jewelry to something that comes with the in-game item... i didn't buy the in-game item. I also didn't buy anything in relation to FFXI as a game. I bought a piece of merchandise from the FFXI series.

[Alhanelem]

Right, but the ingame item should not be exclusive only to those who bought the real item. Why is it ok for not ingame items to be exlcusive but ingame items it's not OK?

I see no good reason for a distinction to be made.

The ingame item was sspecifically offered as a reward for making the purhcase. It's no different than a free toy being offered with a happy meal. You buy the product to get the item. Mankind has been doing promotions like this for centuries.

The tidal talisman ingame item is associated with the tidal talisman real life item. It doesn't even make sense to offer the ingame item by any other means other than with the tidal talisman real life item

Don't even try to argue the ingame item gives you an advantage. It doesn't do anything that isn't already easily accomplished by another method and has no combat use. The item is not statistically relevant- it gives no stats and the warp is insignificant. You're just jealous of people who have the item because you didn't get one.

I would personally be very pissed if the items I got from my FFXIV collectors edition became available to anyone else later on. The items are bordeline useless, they're just shinies that let people know you bought the collector's edition.

[Demon6324236]

My reasoning is because in a game world every item should be able to be accessed by every player from within the game itself, no outside action should need to be taken unless it is something like an expansion, a large mass of content, not a single item. I myself see a difference between things like this, perhaps I am simply seeing things, but if I am, I know many others who have the same bad eyesight.

[Alhanelem]

My reasoning is because in a game world every item should be able to be accessed by every player from within the game itself, no outside action should need to be taken unless it is something like an expansion, a large mass of content, not a single item. I myself see a difference between things like this, perhaps I am simply seeing things, but if I am, I know many others who have the same bad eyesight.
You're welcome to your opinion, but I can't agree. There's no better/worse reason for an exlcusive ingame item to be exlcusive than an exlcusive trinket / goody in a collectors edition or bonus offer.

The ingame item is nothing more than a trinket. It's existence and ownership by a small number of players has no positive or negative impact on balance.

Now, if the item actually did something really powerful, like made you invulnerable or do a lot of damage or whatever, then it wouldn't be acceptable to be a bonus reward item. SE knows this and purposely made it so that the items effects are insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

League of Legends has offered many exclusive skins over the years- only available for a limited time or given out at events. Generally speaking these skins don't become available again. Sometimes they do a limited re-release, but not always. The skins they give out at PAX are given out every year, but there's still no way to get them other than to go to pax or get a code from someone else who went there. They're also just skins and have no gameplay effect at all.

TL;DR there is nothing wrong with limited time and bonus ingame item offers as promotions.

[Alhanelem]

It's just completely beyond me why they didn't forget they have a test server and these kinks could have been worked out ahead of time.

I understand they want the storyline / content to be a surprise, but we'd rather not have the BUGS be a surprise (more like rude awakening)

[RyujinSephy]

If you play to collect you should have been watching for stuff like this when it came out.

Heaven forbid an item promised as exclusive actually stays exclusive.

Actually since I started playing I have been buying the items as they came out. But I started playing in 2009 when I was finally able to get the game.

It was just a suggestion, of a neat item I'd like to see come back even if its just the in-game version. If its something that is so worthless in game and does nothing overall, why start so many arguments over it?

[Karah]

Actually since I started playing I have been buying the items as they came out. But I started playing in 2009 when I was finally able to get the game.

It was just a suggestion, of a neat item I'd like to see come back even if its just the in-game version. If its something that is so worthless in game and does nothing overall, why start so many arguments over it?

Cause Alhanelem is a -huge- douchebag who has to post in -every- thread. You'll learn to ignore him eventually.

[JouriStarz]

If anything they should make it a rank 1 or 2 prize in the mog bananza along with other one time exclusive items that you can't get anymore.

[Umichi]

Cause Alhanelem is a -huge- douchebag who has to post in -every- thread. You'll learn to ignore him eventually.

umm he was only coming in because there are people with extreme views... do you have any courtesy? seriously calling names is extreme also.... Sometimes I wonder if there are any decent people in this world today....

In regards to the OP i apologize for any behavior on my behalf if you percieved any, I didn't mean to rile your post. I am merely a passionate person when it comes to my tidal talisman... FFXI is one of the few things in life I can fully enjoy for all eternity in my opinion <*.*> and I rarely purchase such exclusive merchandise such as this! and it has and will always remind me of all the awesomeness that is FFXI.

It would make me sad to see this item become non exclusive even in game form. Because then no one would know who truly purchased a tidal talisman without a real life picture... wouldn't that seem a little devaluing to you if you enjoyed something as thoroughly as I do like this game?

[Umichi]

If anything they should make it a rank 1 or 2 prize in the mog bananza along with other one time exclusive items that you can't get anymore. see my last post before this one

[Kojo]

Something something Alhanelem, insult blah-blah-blah.

Except he's right. Can't wait to see your post nuked, maybe they'll use Elemental Seal when they do it! Oh I hope they use Elemental Seal...and tons of MAB!

[JouriStarz]

see my last post before this one

Making it a rank one prize in bonanza wouldn't make them suddenly appear everywhere. Only a handful of people ever win rank one and there's only a slight chance they would all pick that specific item over everything else that's available.

[Umichi]

meh..even even grounds is still un-interesting to me.. it's a collectors item... not something anyone should be allowed to get.. even through luck..... i payed 50 bucks for no one to compete with me lol.. except those who bought one also. the only reason someone would choose it is for it's warp right? well then why not suggest a different item that does something equally as useless but still just as valuable but only obtainable through mog bonanza and not have it be the tidal talisman... or anything like it.. then people can keep tabs of who owns one (and in case people don't get it i mean create a equally unique item of different use). and you also get your own equally valuable item which only has so many in existence and you own forever.

[Demon6324236]

Why not just copy the item over, change its look/name a bit, problem solved. People who want to be special and say they bought it, you can, and people who want the actual item for its effect or for a similar look, you have you way too.

[Umichi]

or create something completely unique for mog bonanza..

[Tsukino_Kaji]

or create something completely unique for mog bonanza..That is a terrible idea. If you do add an item, everyone should have the right to access it, not happen upon it by chance.

[Alhanelem]

That is a terrible idea. If you do add an item, everyone should have the right to access it, not happen upon it by chance.
It would be a rank 1 prize, something you have a 100% chance to obtain by picking a different last digit for each of your marbles.

or a no digits match prize, something everyone has a 99.99% chance of obtaining if they don't do the above.

[nyheen]

it a few exclusive very rare items around that you cant get anymore. few examples Laurel Crown (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Crown) & Stars Cap (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Stars_Cap) if you guys miss out on it that to bad. same goes for tidal talisman

[Imakun]

I didn't read all posts in the thread but in case someone didn't mention it, there were cases like me where you couldn't buy the damn thing because your country wasn't considered cool enough for shipment purposes like Germany, the UK and France apparently were.

And I live in Italy.

SE has weird polices when it comes to these sort of things. I understand that every country has its own regulations and everything, but I still think that they should be able to overcome them in some way or another. Their shop now ships to almost every country, but I'm still bitter about the Talisman.
I love collecting trinkets like these, it's part of my videogaming hobby >_>

[Duzell]

it a few exclusive very rare items around that you cant get anymore. few examples Laurel Crown (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Crown) & Stars Cap (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Stars_Cap) if you guys miss out on it that to bad. same goes for tidal talisman

Your really comparing 2 items that were earned from a cross server test of skill to a merchandise tie in item... Completely different categories when it comes to comparing items.

[Alhanelem]

Your really comparing 2 items that were earned from a cross server test of skill to a merchandise tie in item... Completely different categories when it comes to comparing items.
It's a valid comparison. Both are special items only given out from a one time special event which [sadly in the case of ballista royale] never happened again. i'm sure the owners of those caps (if any still play) would not be so happy if they started giving those caps out as a regular participation reward for ballista.

[Duzell]

It's a valid comparison. Both are special items only given out from a one time special event which [sadly in the case of ballista royale] never happened again. i'm sure the owners of those caps (if any still play) would not be so happy if they started giving those caps out as a regular participation reward for ballista.

No its really not, that's like saying Olympic Medals are in the same category as happy meal toys because they are both limited editions. The ballista hats were earned where as the talisman was bought. Its one thing to reissue something, both companies and artists do it all the time. I could find hundreds of examples of "limited edition" items that were reissued years later. On the other hand, those hats are trophies from a specific ffxi equivalent of a sports event. A trophy isn't something you reissue, although it can be replaced to its original owner.

To be clear, a tidal talisman is not a trophy.

[Caketime]

in b4 the definition of trophy is disputed.

also in b4 feelings

[Umichi]

Umm the term exlusive and collectors item makes it a trophy tyvm. idk about you but I had to use my RL skills to obtain money (you know that stuff that has value) to purchase my tidal talisman. and again..

1) It was stated it's exclusive
2) They stated they weren't gonna re-release it (so why would they re-release the in-game item)
3) I got a number with my talisman (which makes my neckpiece ingame just as exclusive as my RL neck)

your refusal to not having your own unique trinket obtainable through mog bonanza implies that you want this item because of warp that or you don't like people having unique items... so again.. it's a 24 hour cd warp that only it's real OP value is the fact that it teles others also (only if they have visited the location also) i can travel to and from bastok to jeuno in less than 8 minutes (thats worst case being a newbie fresh into jeuno and getting your airship pass when you can) if you are level 75 plus you have aces to all sorts of quick travel that significantly reduces the time needed to get to jeuno (20 plus gets access to qufim I believe)

why do you need a useless item (to you from my perspective) that has no real value outside of the fact that it warps you to locations that you don't really need it for once your 75+

wouldn't you settle for a unique costume, or something that is more modern and relevant?

[Horadrim]

They do that now, it's called pre-ordering a game with exclusive DLC. Then a few months later they release all the exclusive DLC for download. Look at FFXIII-2, all the pre-order bonuses are now just available for downloads for a price. I pre-ordered the game, 2 copies actually, to get the pre-order bonuses I wanted than they just added them later. Actually it didn't bother me at all because it was my decision to pre-order 2 copies and I think people who:

[A] Couldn't afford it at the time.
or [B] Had some other reason not be able to play.

It shouldn't matter. These games are to be enjoyed to their fullest why punish people who play to collect because for the above reasons. They are bringing back other items that used to be only gotten one way.

Heck when I started playing I ran into a person with a Moogle Cap that helped me out, when I asked "Where did you get that?" They replied, "It doesn't matter because you'll never be able to get one." I was thrilled when they released the Key Chains that had it and I bought one.

Besides the money we spend helps the games we love. :) If people are worried about their Tidal Talisman not being 'exclusive' anymore. Look at the Nomad Cap vs Moogle Cap. Can also make a new Tidal Talisman call it some else, change the color a little bit or the look a little, and give it same effect. Would still be just as nice to have in my opinion.

When a company continues on to give out DLC they previously only included in a collector's edition, they usually either sell it or they revealed early on that it would be eventually given out for free.

I've never seen a single game that didn't sell DLC later or tell you up front it would be free after a few months.

[Alhanelem]

No its really not, that's like saying Olympic Medals are in the same category as happy meal toys because they are both limited editions. The ballista hats were earned where as the talisman was bought. Its one thing to reissue something, both companies and artists do it all the time. I could find hundreds of examples of "limited edition" items that were reissued years later. On the other hand, those hats are trophies from a specific ffxi equivalent of a sports event. A trophy isn't something you reissue, although it can be replaced to its original owner.


I could find hundreds of examples of "limited edition" items that were reissued years later.that doesn't make it OK unless you can distinguish the old ones from the new ones (e.g. they're numbered or labeled accordingly).

To be clear, a tidal talisman is not a trophy.you're misrepresenting the issue here.

I'm sure olympic medalists would not be happy if the IOC started giving away actual olympic medals on its website to anyone who wanted one. I'm sure die hard collectors of mcDonalds toys would be similarly upset if they rereleased a set of toys that were not supposed to come back.

It's the same thing. The only thing changing in your example is the scale.


To be clear, a tidal talisman is not a trophy. Actually, it pretty much is. The only sense in which it isn't is that it isn't honoring an accomplishment. You can't say money has never bought recognition.

Any time something is offered as an exclusive, and then it later beocmes not exclusive, a company is reneging on a promise. generally in the case of "exclusive DLC" if it becomes released more widely in the future the company will generally state its plans to do so and will usually call it an early release, not exclusive content.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

idk about you but I had to use my RL skills to obtain money (you know that stuff that has value)

And this differs from paying your subscription fees how?

[Caketime]

Apparently nobody else has a job. Or something.

Also, in after feelings.

[Umichi]

And this differs from paying your subscription fees how?

did you pay fifty bucks?

[Umichi]

Apparently nobody else has a job. Or something.

Also, in after feelings.

you know for someone who calls others inappropriate names and calls other people out on their behavior you yourself are not one to behave either...

That aside yes people have jobs... they also have money. what did they do with their money? certainly not spend it on an item that was stated as a limited release.

[Caketime]

Some of us just want to watch the world burn.

[Umichi]

It doesn't help anything.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

did you pay fifty bucks?

Many times over by this point.

But if $50 is "exclusive" but $12.95 (per month) is not, where exactly is the line drawn? $20? $30?

[Umichi]

*sigh* people have no commen sense these days... do you really feel justified in saying your 12 bucks a month is equal to a limited edition (and numbered) silver plated necklace? what if SE told you you get to keep your price at 12.95 a month and says anyone after this date has to pay a higher fee than your price from now until forever. then tells everyone later on that there will be a special time frame that allows people who weren't there before the change to be able to change it to that number?

how about we tack on a 5 year waiting period before they decide to let this happen. would you think it's still fair? if you say yes your either lying or you truly do not get the point i'm trying to make.


how do we draw the line on anything justifiable in our world? It's easy it's called common sense.. in your example your comparing apples to oranges... your paying SE to maintain the game and run it's servers and also have acess to those servers for your enjoyment. I payed SE one time for an item that they told me was of limited issuance and would come with a unique in game item with it in celebration of it being the first piece in a series of pieces also in limited issuance just like the tidal talisman.. tell me how my 50 bucks compares to your 12 a month..

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

in your example your comparing apples to oranges...

No, I'm quite literally comparing dollars to dollars. You said your Talisman was special specifically because you paid real money for it. I pointed out the subscription itself cost real money, leading you do indicate that $50 is "special" while $13 isn't. I asked you where the line was drawn, and you started spewing qualifiers. Moving the goalposts, No True Tarutaru, etc.


from now until forever.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/topics/special/080818.html

I don't see the word "forever." In fact, business legal departments tend to strongly discourage any use of the word "forever."


what if SE told you you get to keep your price at 12.95 a month and says anyone after this date has to pay a higher fee than your price (...) then tells everyone later on that there will be a special time frame that allows people who weren't there before the change to be able to change it to that number?

how about we tack on a 5 year waiting period before they decide to let this happen. would you think it's still fair? if you say yes your either lying or you truly do not get the point i'm trying to make.

Why talk hypotheticals? S-E will charge me only $9.99/mo to subscribe to FFXIV while new players will be charged $12.99/mo. If that only lasts for five years, and I subscribe continuously for those five years, I will have saved $180. Since this is over 4 times the $42.99 MSRP that you assert is "special," that would make the Legacy Campaign over 4 times as special as a Tidal Talisman.

And yes, I'd be cool with that, because $180.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

It would be a rank 1 prize, something you have a 100% chance to obtain by picking a different last digit for each of your marbles.

or a no digits match prize, something everyone has a 99.99% chance of obtaining if they don't do the above.You're talking about a company that can't even realize that this is what they needed to do with the ark weapons...

[Alhanelem]

No, I'm quite literally comparing dollars to dollars. You said your Talisman was special specifically because you paid real money for it. I pointed out the subscription itself cost real money, leading you do indicate that $50 is "special" while $13 isn't. I asked you where the line was drawn, and you started spewing qualifiers. Moving the goalposts, No True Tarutaru, etc.



http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/topics/special/080818.html

I don't see the word "forever." In fact, business legal departments tend to strongly discourage any use of the word "forever."



Why talk hypotheticals? S-E will charge me only $9.99/mo to subscribe to FFXIV while new players will be charged $12.99/mo. If that only lasts for five years, and I subscribe continuously for those five years, I will have saved $180. Since this is over 4 times the $42.99 MSRP that you assert is "special," that would make the Legacy Campaign over 4 times as special as a Tidal Talisman.

And yes, I'd be cool with that, because $180.I revealed this post for curiosity sake and suprisingly agreed with pretty much every word of it.

[Umichi]

the data is hard to find because SE didn't really advertise it outside of the game sure game sites kept records but it was mostly the link you posted which is only the main page

http://www.warcry.com/news/view/85556-Final-Fantasy-XI-Player-Collection

your link also states in the first paragraph that 1 it's exlusive. and 2 that people buying the item would get an in-game item of the same name, re-instating my previous comments about how this item in-game and out of game should be purely kept to being exclusively only collecting the item in real life.... what's the point of it being a collectors edition item if you don't collect it?

If your mindset is that the warp is of worth and worth value why not go and collect it.... it's item's like these that create much fun and excitement, for the item itself in real life and in cases like people like me i enjoy having both the in-game item and the RL necklace; but if you want it merely for the in-game item don't ruin the fun of others by trying to make everything devalued just because you want something that matches it..

a link to a decent discussion on the exclusivity of the necklace from people who can articulate more fluently

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tidal_Talisman

It's not in my usual attire i wear around town or in the wilds and it definately takes up space but there is a storage for it and i can grab it anytime it's needed incase i get bored of wearing the same old thing everyday or in the rare case i do need it for it's warp i use it..... It's a very powerful item when it's actually used in real scenarios... but in most normal cases i don't need it to get to where I'm going....

a link for most of the services to get around ffxi in forum talk

http://forums.ffxiclopedia.org/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=24757&hilit=tidal+talisman


If you actually look around there are alot of the same discussions were having right now I'm still digging to find a link to some offical posgts this was done before dev trackers was thought of for ffxi lol.. so might be tough...

a link to some talk from around the time of the development of abyssea and announcement of the add-ons

http://forums.ffxiclopedia.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16794&p=202113&hilit=tidal+talisman#p202113

I might like to point out this interesting bit from the link above

“I think the Tidal Talisman is one of the coolest looking pieces of gear out there.”
- Hiromichi Tanaka, Producer

When Mr. Tanaka first approached the graphic design team, he expounded his vision of a “brilliant pendant to grace the necks of all adventurers everywhere, be they in string bikinis or surf shorts.” And yet due to some unforgivable miscommunication somewhere along the line, the end product was a luxurious long-coat seemingly tailor-made for high-end players.
The original prototype was something along the lines of… (image)
But, being nothing more than a complimentary in-game bauble accompanying the actual merchandise, it was finally decided upon to create a modest, understated piece of Level 1 gear that players wouldn’t necessarily drool over. Even the enchantment was intentionally made a bit tongue-in-cheek so as not to be something players would feel absolutely compelled to have.
But, we just can’t seem to part with the original design. Maybe we’ll hang onto these graphics and reuse them for a high-end piece of gear sometime in the future…


so you can see the ingame design was intentionally crafted for people who purchased these necklaces as an item for decoration... a bauble a piece of clothing for your avatar... an extension of you in game!

While i feel bad for the players who could not buy one i do not regret and trust SE's decision in this matter.

[Camiie]

Not going to happen, it was an exclusive reward for players who bought the actual tidal talisman jewelry from the SE store.

Games do this all the time these days, and if you miss it you miss it.

How would you like it if you bought the collectors edition of a game because it offered some exclusive item as an incentive, then later after the colelctors edition is discontinued, they offer it agian, making your exclusive reward not so exclusive anymore? Basically, it breaks a promise.

As an owner of a tidal talisman, I would not give a flying fig if they gave them out to everyone for free.

[Umichi]

As an owner of a tidal talisman, I would not give a flying fig if they gave them out to everyone for free.

we all line in a world filled with personal opinions but where does commen sense lie? it's still a exclusive item in game and in real life. how hard is that?

[Camiie]

we all line in a world filled with personal opinions but where does commen sense lie? it's still a exclusive item in game and in real life. how hard is that?

Common sense is as subjective as any opinion. My common sense tells me that if there is a demand for the item then it'd be a good move to try to meet that demand.

[Umichi]

if it wasn't exclusive i would see this standpoint... eventually we will be going into things such as philosophy and stuff ust to continue the conversational; path were gong down lol..

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

your link also states in the first paragraph that 1 it's exlusive.

It was being sold exclusively by S-E directly, not by any other stores. All "exclusive" means is "can't be found anywhere else."


If your mindset is that the warp is of worth and worth value why not go and collect it....

Because it's no longer for sale, as OP has pointed out repeatedly.

And you still haven't divulged at what price something becomes "special."

[Camiie]

It was being sold exclusively by S-E directly, not by any other stores. All "exclusive" means is "can't be found anywhere else.

Exactly. Exclusive is just a marketing buzzword. There's probably a warehouse out there filled from top to bottom with "exclusive limited edition collector's" coins. There are comic book stores that can't give away their stacks of "exclusive limited edition foil embossed #1 issue collector's" comics.

Besides, SE is under no obligation to NOT produce more of the talismans and codes for the in-game item. They don't have to attempt to ensure that the item has any certain value. If they don't want to make any more, well that's fine. It's their product. If they do however, they certainly can. No one is entitled to be the only person on their block with a tidal talisman.