Did Super Jump always shed Wyvern's enmity?

[Babekeke]

I always used to use Super Jump when solo if I got in the sh1t and needed to let my Wyvern tank for a little while, but now it seems that post-SJ it has little to no enmity at all. Was this always the case, and it was only able to tank because of the large amount of enmity it was able to build through damage, or has the enmity adjustment messed it up?

I also noticed that pulling Sisyphus with smiting breath still caused him to come after me (I used DB as well for extra damage). I thought that should have been sufficient to have hate on the wyvern >.>

[Umichi]

let's just put it this way... outside of actually hitting the mob your wyvern get's no hate not even from smiting or healing

as far as my wyvern shedding hate withme she's always done that for awhile now.. honestly can't remember when it was changed if it was.

[Ragnarok_Takagi]

I noticed this as well. I Super Jumped in new SoA area, and the mob was on my wyvern like normal, and I immediately used restoring breath, but for some reason that caused me to take hate. I don't think it has ever done that before, and unfortunately it caused me to die in my HB set, so no twilight :/ ... Anyways, I have been waiting a few seconds for wyvern to build up hate before I use HB since then

[Volkai]

Remember they changed enmity calculations. Pretty sure that affected pet enmity calculations too.

[Concerned4FFxi]

No the enmity is broken. Please post a like to get ot fixed, not liking can possibly result in this being over looked by DEV.

[Ophannus]

Super Climb did not and currently does not shed Wyvern hate. What has changed however is that enmity accrued through damage dealing is about 70% lower than before. Since your Wyvern typically hits for about 20-30% of your damage and has no weapon skills of its own, its enmity will be vastly lower than yours. Breaths are hateless.

[Babekeke]

Super Climb did not and currently does not shed Wyvern hate. What has changed however is that enmity accrued through damage dealing is about 70% lower than before. Since your Wyvern typically hits for about 20-30% of your damage and has no weapon skills of its own, its enmity will be vastly lower than yours. Breaths are hateless.

Fighting an Orobon NM for the fishing quest yesterday, it slept us, so when it hit me I used super jump to make it hit my wyvern to wake it too... I was facing away when I jumped so I wouldn't gain any hate when I landed and before it had definately hit my wyvern. However, it hit my wyvern once, and that was enough to make it turn back to me!? That's not right.

[Umichi]

Seems normal to me... prior to the update i had to use a Spirit jump or soul jump to bounce hate between me an my wyvern now my wyvern can actually tank fights with me because we hit hate for hate and she can take hits better.

[Caketime]

Fighting an Orobon NM for the fishing quest yesterday, it slept us, so when it hit me I used super jump to make it hit my wyvern to wake it too... I was facing away when I jumped so I wouldn't gain any hate when I landed and before it had definately hit my wyvern. However, it hit my wyvern once, and that was enough to make it turn back to me!? That's not right.

If you think that's bad, try BST. It's hilarious.

[Babekeke]

If you think that's bad, try BST. It's hilarious.

Only lvl 88 BST, but at least with Jug pets you have Snarl... right? Or is that fail now?


Seems normal to me... prior to the update i had to use a Spirit jump or soul jump to bounce hate between me an my wyvern now my wyvern can actually tank fights with me because we hit hate for hate and she can take hits better.

I'm not sure what you're fighting or how you're geared, but my wyvern NEVER hits like-for-like with me, unless maybe on TWTBW mobs, in which case, why would you need your wyvern to help you tank it....?

[Demon6324236]

Only lvl 88 BST, but at least with Jug pets you have Snarl... right? Or is that fail now?Works well if you bleed off hate by doing Ruinator>Snarl, otherwise... not so much.

[Ophannus]

Take my word for it. Super Climb does not shed Wyvern hate. Please don't make me dig through years of version updates to find the patch notes where they explicitly said when they added Super Climb that it would not affect the Wyvern's enmity.

[Babekeke]

Take my word for it. Super Climb does not shed Wyvern hate. Please don't make me dig through years of version updates to find the patch notes where they explicitly said when they added Super Climb that it would not affect the Wyvern's enmity.

Lol I'm not saying that I disagreed with you, just that the enmity loss from being hit must be huge now, especially, it seems, for pets.

[Caketime]

Only lvl 88 BST, but at least with Jug pets you have Snarl... right? Or is that fail now?

Playing BST now is like a cross between Pong and back alley dice games. Hate bounces around everywhere and regardless of whether or not you do well, shanking is inevitable.

[Umichi]

I'm not sure what you're fighting or how you're geared, but my wyvern NEVER hits like-for-like with me, unless maybe on TWTBW mobs, in which case, why would you need your wyvern to help you tank it....?

Have you even fought the new tough and up mobs? I'm a moderately geared Drg i didn't do to much endgame even though i tried(no one wants a drg).. i guess you could call me the average player but yeah that's how i fighting tough and up mobs is by having qiqiru tank things for me. she's pretty good after a few spirit links can have her tank while I just use jumps from a distance and close in for damage spikes.

[Umichi]

or go full assault and she will take hate every other hit because our hate is at the same level cause the mob even's it out by slapping us. I use this strategy for nm's also. i wanna make the -pet damage lance.. and use that for some solo stuff while im building gugnir for my build ^^

[Umichi]

I mean soul and spirit jump are used for enimity suppression so i would assume that's what your asking as to why qiqiru can hit hate for hate with me.

I also have -enm merits

[Raksha]

Lol I'm not saying that I disagreed with you, just that the enmity loss from being hit must be huge now, especially, it seems, for pets.

Its not.

The problem is that Enmity wears off over time (60VE per second i believe).

If you gain 1 enmity for doing 1 damage (dunno if these numbers are correct), this means you have to do 60 damage per second just to break even enmity wise, and MORE than 60 damage/sec to GAIN enmity. Chances are your Wyvern isnt doing 60d/s, so your wyvern is unable to build hate.

[ManaKing]

If I remember correctly, super climb is just so your wyvern can also avoid attacks. Nothing to do with hate reset.

[Babekeke]

Its not.

The problem is that Enmity wears off over time (60VE per second i believe).

If you gain 1 enmity for doing 1 damage (dunno if these numbers are correct), this means you have to do 60 damage per second just to break even enmity wise, and MORE than 60 damage/sec to GAIN enmity. Chances are your Wyvern isnt doing 60d/s, so your wyvern is unable to build hate.

This has nothing to do with losing hate when being hit. Hate lost when being hit is CE, not VE. With Steady Wing up, the wyvern takes no damage during the stoneskin, so it loses no CE, and should therefore not lose hate when I have used Super Jump (which I assume is like Enmity Douse, resetting CE to 1 and VE to 0).

[Raksha]

Lol I'm not saying that I disagreed with you, just that the enmity loss from being hit must be huge now, especially, it seems, for pets.


Was replying to this.


I suppose you could say that pets lose RELATIVELY more enmity now than they did before.

[Helldemon]

Have you even fought the new tough and up mobs? I'm a moderately geared Drg i didn't do to much endgame even though i tried(no one wants a drg).. i guess you could call me the average player but yeah that's how i fighting tough and up mobs is by having qiqiru tank things for me. she's pretty good after a few spirit links can have her tank while I just use jumps from a distance and close in for damage spikes.

I honestly don't understand how your wyvern is able to tank things with you. Even on IT umbrils I am tanking 90% of the time and my wyvern hits them almost as hard as I do. Even if I stripped all my gear except weapon I doubt I would be able to go back and forth with my wyvern on hate.

[Umichi]

I honestly don't understand how your wyvern is able to tank things with you. Even on IT umbrils I am tanking 90% of the time and my wyvern hits them almost as hard as I do. Even if I stripped all my gear except weapon I doubt I would be able to go back and forth with my wyvern on hate.

Knowing how to manage enmity is the big secret, and like i said I can have her tank i move out for jumps and in for ws's save high jump and soul jump for enmity dumps and maintaining pet tank and super jump for when i can't shake the hate or it is unwanted.... I have a hard time with umbrils.. they have alot of nasty status effects! I also mentioned i have -enm merits

[Babekeke]

Knowing how to manage enmity is the big secret, and like i said I can have her tank i move out for jumps and in for ws's save high jump and soul jump for enmity dumps and maintaining pet tank and super jump for when i can't shake the hate or it is unwanted.... I have a hard time with umbrils.. they have alot of nasty status effects! I also mentioned i have -enm merits

I assume that when you include Soul Jump here it's just because it shares a timer with High Jump. Soul Jump itself doesn't shed enmity.

As for Umbrils, when soloing as /mage, 1 trick is to save TP for when you get paralyzed, to have wyvern use remove paralysis breath. Otherwise, only use WS when jumps are up to get TP back almost instantly, and just hope it doesn't para you during WS (not a good idea to WS it if the WS damage will drop it below 25%).

Though when I solo Umbrils, I tank it, not the Wyvern, only using super jump if I get cursed and take a lot of damage so wyvern can't cure me.

[Umichi]

I assume that when you include Soul Jump here it's just because it shares a timer with High Jump. Soul Jump itself doesn't shed enmity.

As for Umbrils, when soloing as /mage, 1 trick is to save TP for when you get paralyzed, to have wyvern use remove paralysis breath. Otherwise, only use WS when jumps are up to get TP back almost instantly, and just hope it doesn't para you during WS (not a good idea to WS it if the WS damage will drop it below 25%).

Though when I solo Umbrils, I tank it, not the Wyvern, only using super jump if I get cursed and take a lot of damage so wyvern can't cure me.

I can tank them but my strategy gets tangled with im still taking to much damage with the gear I have currently on and yeah the paralyze hurts me.... I generally go in with barparalyze just for that reason... most of the time the mobs kill me by striking a DA, and are fast enough to round off another hit before my wyvern can heal; or they do a crit followed by a TP move (which is usually the combo that kills me)

I still need more practice lol....

[Helldemon]

Sounds like you could use hp gear swaps into your HB macro as well.

[Babekeke]

As Helldemon said, yeah even as a Taru (like you) I have ~2k HP in my healing breath trigger macro. And there's way more available that I don't have too, like the MDB neck from plasm, and most of the augmented Bayld gear (I think I aug'd the legs, but nothing else).

The other thing is to build on -PDT gear too. I'm currently at ~34% I think. Full NQ Dux gear, twilight torque, flume belt, a 5% and a 4% dark ring and a metallon mantle.

[Ophannus]

Deep Breathing+Smiting Breath with empathied Wyvern and full Wyvern HP gear should do 1k+ on Umbrils for a decent chunk of their HP.

[Umichi]

I'll have to find gear though idk i don't have any -pdt gear lol, I may actually have to start building my solo set now :)

[Umichi]

Deep Breathing+Smiting Breath with empathied Wyvern and full Wyvern HP gear should do 1k+ on Umbrils for a decent chunk of their HP.

yeah i agree. however how do you mean a fully leveled wyvern? the other day i was doing a delve nm some turtle guy and my wyvern did 99999 damage to him lol

[Babekeke]

yeah i agree. however how do you mean a fully leveled wyvern? the other day i was doing a delve nm some turtle guy and my wyvern did 99999 damage to him lol

Was it Matamata after 7 TP moves? MNKs melee hits on him after 7 TP moves and Formless Strikes active do over 20k per hit lol.

And he didn't say fully levelled wyvern, but full HP wyvern. Which makes me think I now need a Wyvern HP gear >>> Spirit Link in my DB SB macro now >.>

[Umichi]

Hmmmm I honestly never focused to much on wyvern HP gear I have my lancerspelerine and i do have a good amount of wyvern HP gear (inccluding chanoixs gorget and wyvern perch) but i dont use third party macros and Im to lazy to make multiple macro button sets lol

[Babekeke]

Isn't wyvern perch a staff?

[Helldemon]

It is indeed.

[Babekeke]

Not ideal for a macro-swap lol

[Umichi]

*Shrugs* lol if your healing as a support it is probable that the staff would improve hp healed :) "p