Do something about the fish bots in Beaucedine Glaicer.

[Zumi]

Ok so I don't know if this is on every server but on my server there is about 30 or so fish bots all with ebisu rod in Beaucedine Glacier near J8 and J9 coast.

They are there almost all day, its somewhat annoying seeing all these bots there 24/7.

[Alhanelem]

report to special task force

[Prothscar]

How often do you really go out there and why? Being annoyed by seeing them there isn't a very good reason to want them removed.

[Demon6324236]

Its not so much being annoyed probably, its more or less being there when you know they are a clear violation with no good reason, just people making money while not playing the game, which is fairly BS to those who do not do it. Now don't get on me about 3rd party things, some of them I think are ok, Windower for instance, but the line between things that are ok and things that are flat out cheating is not that hard to tell. Windower for the most part displays information to you that is already available, just in an easier way, where as things like Clipper or Bots are clearly not the same. So its not so much I'm saying "Ban the third party program users!" more or less, be more strict on people using things like bots and clipper which are more damaging. In this case, bots are the target of the complaint, and rightly so in my opinion, because they allow you to get money or skill ups without actually doing anything.

[Fynlar]

How often do you really go out there and why? Being annoyed by seeing them there isn't a very good reason to want them removed.

Wanting blatant cheaters removed from the game kinda speaks for itself and doesn't exactly need a "reason"

[Collisse]

The reason is fairly obvious anyway- fish bots inflate the economy and make it even harder for the people who are making their gil by actually playing the game.

I don't really care if they ban the bots themselves or not, but I think they should nuke the price on things like Hakuryu. They should make the fishing craft more integral with the player-created economy on the auction house like pretty much every other craft instead of being a perpetual gil-generating machine. I personally don't really wish ill will on people that bot for gil because I can relate somewhat to the laziness about getting things in a game, but even the people who are actively fish botting cannot deny that fish botting for gil adds massive amounts of gil to the economy.

[Camiie]

Wanting blatant cheaters removed from the game kinda speaks for itself and doesn't exactly need a "reason"

You'd think that, but I've caught absolute hell for calling out cheaters in the past.

[Sapphires]

They are everywhere and the Gms can't catch them because part of one of the fishbots has an alarm/autoreply if a GM sends them a tell that stops them fishing and gives someone multiboxing enough time to reply to a GM inquiry.
As long as the person isnt outright sleeping while fishing and just tabbed over and browsing the net/working - they'll never get caught even if you report them.

If you are really butthurt over it just quit. SE can't catch them.

Even if they nerfed haks, people are still makin bank off Ryugu Titans when they get a mercurial sword off them, and theres some other fish that npc for decent gil too.

[Zumi]

The bots are set to auto dc if they see a GM tell or alert the user so if 1 guy is 6 boxing 6 bots he can reply to the GM. Anyway making 2m a day by npcing a overpriced fish ruins the economy for everyone. Each bot puts another 2m in the game every single day.

[Camiie]

Rather than bothering to catch the botters, they'll nerf the resale price of the fish or something. They don't fix issues like this without making things worse for everyone.

[Mifaco]

How often do you really go out there and why? Being annoyed by seeing them there isn't a very good reason to want them removed.

I'll bet you said that when the rusty cap bots were in Rabao

[Luvbunny]

Yup I smell another Blinkergate here!!! Time for a nerf!!!

[Sparthos]

How often do you really go out there and why? Being annoyed by seeing them there isn't a very good reason to want them removed.

Old fashioned revenge.

SE, you killed blinkers under the argument of it being detrimental to the economy and so since my source of income was torched it's only fair that misery be spread around to the people fishing up Haks.

Burn, baby burn.

[Asymptotic]

SE would lose sooooo many mule subscription fees over Hakuryu, way worse than cruor.

[Jaall]

The ironic thing is SE's biggest problem in this game (RMT/Fishbots etc.) must be paying SE a fair bit of money in subscriptions and mules etc and as we all know with SE and any other major company - money > everything. Considering how many RMT we hear about or see everyday and how many blatantly RMT mules we see going around topped off with bots and mules for holding their fished items etc, I would say around 1/6th-1/4 of SE's subscription fees come from these guys. SE aren't gonna just cut all that profit, only scare them away from it which doesn't really work. I agree it's a shame though.

[Prothscar]

i know a few people who pay for 2+ mules just for hak fishing. crazy rly

[Arcon]

SE would lose sooooo many mule subscription fees over Hakuryu, way worse than cruor.

Do you have numbers? I really don't think they lost as much as people believe, and I think they'd lose significantly less with this. With cruor, everyone was doing it, botting on the other hand is not very common, despite how it may seem to certain parts of the community that are more accustomed to it. 30 bots in Beauc per server? SE wouldn't even notice the dent in their subscription income, even if they would all go, which I think is also unlikely.

[Sparthos]

SE would lose sooooo many mule subscription fees over Hakuryu, way worse than cruor.

That's what we said about Salvage bans and then they nuked those accounts. Best part? Odds are if the persons that hardcore they'll just come back so really nothing of value has been lost on SEs end.

[Jaall]

There are bots everywhere not just beaucedine and a fair amount of them tbh. Not as much as genuine players but still a significant amount in terms of profit. Also nobody will produce numbers unless they work for SE because they don't give out anything on player-base loses/gains and probably never will. In fact I doubt any company would really do that, it's kinda like advertising your game as a bad game.

[Taint2]

Instead of bitching make money off them. Those guys are making 1mil on average per day. (2mil is rare, Haku fishing is not just turn on bot and AFK) They are generally the players buying up plates and currency at high prices. Find one of them and sell to them directly. The gil generated is being put right back into the economy and used to buy the items the rest of us are selling.

[Fynlar]

There are bots everywhere not just beaucedine and a fair amount of them tbh. Not as much as genuine players but still a significant amount in terms of profit.

Believe me, there are way more bots fishing haks than real players.

I've tried fishing haks before; they are not easy catches.

[Detzu]

Ok so I don't know if this is on every server but on my server there is about 30 or so fish bots all with ebisu rod in Beaucedine Glacier near J8 and J9 coast.

They are there almost all day, its somewhat annoying seeing all these bots there 24/7.

The only thing that should make you report them is the ToS.
If you want a decrease on prices you need to force people to stop crafting, fishing is only pocket money compared to crafting.

[Minikom]

Do something about the fish bots in Beaucedine Glaicer.
Ok so I don't know if this is on every server but on my server there is about 30 or so fish bots all with ebisu rod in Beaucedine Glacier near J8 and J9 coast.

They are there almost all day, its somewhat annoying seeing all these bots there 24/7.

LOL why this bother you? jelly because those guys cant use it and you cant?

[Minikom]

the just reason why i see ppl complain about this is, because they cant do it otherwise those guys dhouldnt complain, grow uup and move.
2 words to define
selfishness
and
jealousy

[Demon6324236]

LOL why this bother you? jelly because those guys cant use it and you cant?Yes, I r jelly I cant cheat like da real proz Q.Q

[Demon6324236]

the just reason why i see ppl complain about this is, because they cant do it otherwise those guys dhouldnt complain, grow uup and move.
2 words to define
selfishness
and
jealousyI play on PC, I have access to bots, do I use them? No, explain to me why I complain about them again?

[revear]

regardless if people are stupidly to afk and fish and get caught they deserve to be banned i totally agree. but unless reported to the STF and even then still nothing happens point being grow up and dont let it bother u because what harm is it doing on u. do what i do and just continue and not think about it

[Zumi]

regardless if people are stupidly to afk and fish and get caught they deserve to be banned i totally agree. but unless reported to the STF and even then still nothing happens point being grow up and dont let it bother u because what harm is it doing on u. do what i do and just continue and not think about it

Fish bots putting in 2m gil a day into the economy and devaluing my gil that's how it hurts me. STF is mostly useless no matter how many times you report botters they don't do anything, pretty pointless to even report them they don't get banned or anything.

[Zumi]

the just reason why i see ppl complain about this is, because they cant do it otherwise those guys dhouldnt complain, grow uup and move.
2 words to define
selfishness
and
jealousy

Anyone on PC can download a fish bot and cheat if they wanted to but then we don't want to fish bot. A lot of the bots aren't even peoples main characters because they don't want to risk getting banned if a gm happens to do something.

[Zumi]

The only thing that should make you report them is the ToS.
If you want a decrease on prices you need to force people to stop crafting, fishing is only pocket money compared to crafting.

You don't understand economy 101. Crafting some rare HQ -1 item then selling it for 100m doesn't create gil. Its gil traded between players. NPCing 200 Hakuryu a day for 2m gil creates gil that shouldn't of been created due to the fact it was botted and earned by cheating. In turn devaluing everyone else's gil in the game.

[Fynlar]

Yes, I r jelly I cant cheat like da real proz Q.Q

More like, da reel proz

see wut i did thar? LOLO







I'll get my coat

[Jaall]

I honestly think you're making a huge thing outta nothing. FFXI economy isn't that bad at all really, yes prices have inflated massively since abyssea but there are so many new ways to easily get huge amounts of gil so what's the problem? Nothing has really changed since choco blinkers except more people spam dyna instead. There will always be a demand for dyna currency because it takes so much of it to make a relic and there are plenty of relics and plenty of people buying them so for the majority of people that money's come outta thin air making it exactly the same as these bots npc'ing fish. And anyways, it's a GAME and yet the economy is still nowhere near as bad as most countries in real life!!

[Mittenz]

I honestly think you're making a huge thing outta nothing. FFXI economy isn't that bad at all really, yes prices have inflated massively since abyssea but there are so many new ways to easily get huge amounts of gil so what's the problem? Nothing has really changed since choco blinkers except more people spam dyna instead. There will always be a demand for dyna currency because it takes so much of it to make a relic and there are plenty of relics and plenty of people buying them so for the majority of people that money's come outta thin air making it exactly the same as these bots npc'ing fish. And anyways, it's a GAME and yet the economy is still nowhere near as bad as most countries in real life!!

The Gil gained from selling currency is not coming out of thin air it's just changing hands and already exists unlike an npced fish that creates Gil.

[Jaall]

It doesn't no but at the end of the day npc'ing things has always been in the game and the game economy really wont fall that much due to it. If you provide me evidence where npc'ing fish has effected the economy to a reasonable extent I'll agree with you, but I just don't see it. There will ALWAYS be people npc'ing large amounts of items and if it's that much of an issue, SE will just lower the npc price like they have before, or just remove the npc feature entirely.

[svengalis]

the just reason why i see ppl complain about this is, because they cant do it otherwise those guys dhouldnt complain, grow uup and move.
2 words to define
selfishness
and
jealousy

the thing is anyone can do it if you know where to look for it. its just that some us choose not to do it because we know how cheating ultimately will ruin any game.

[Rustic]

How often do you really go out there and why? Being annoyed by seeing them there isn't a very good reason to want them removed.

Killing off your competition that's botting their way towards choking off your income isn't reason enough?

Every bot fisher left alone is one less legit player making their Gil.

[Prothscar]

That's totally a good reason, but the given one was silly.

[Winrie]

The way i see it is, Blinkers and Haks are two completely different situations. Blinkers were accessible to RMT and everyone in general. Haks take so much time to be able to effectively be able to catch, bot or not. Skilling up to 100, Ebisu, fish gear, camping npcs or crafting for the lures, they break lines, and they dont bite constantly. I think the general argument of these people making so much gil they are ruining the economy is dim sides and stupid. Blinkers were incredibly worse in the effect they were being abused by everyone and everyone was getting rich. Im not condoning the use of bots but, the amount of people using them to catch fish are in the minority, and yes more than likely many of them have alt characters to increase the amount of gil they make a day. But in reality you can make 2mil off anything in this game with a little luck a day, same as haks. If youre going to banhammer people for fish botting or nerf haks, you better nerf everything and disable the ability for players to control prices. its been this way for years and years, Haks will one day be nerfed, then people will move to the next thing, and there are a lot of things to make money off. Haks are the least of a fishermans profits btw, there are much better options that generate much much more money a day than haks.

[Karbuncle]

the just reason why i see ppl complain about this is, because they cant do it otherwise those guys dhouldnt complain, grow uup and move.
2 words to define
selfishness
and
jealousy

I think i can throw out words too.. Lazy... Lardasaurus Rex.

I made up that last one, But i think my point is clear... Its not about Jealousy or Selfishness for these guys, Some of these people are probably just legitimate fishers who don't like that their market is being effect by illegitimate folk.

Plus, its blandly against the ToS, and Just because everyones breaking the rules doesn't mean you're suddenly immune to the fact its breaking the rules, Hell I'm sure every botter knows when they run one that they run the risk of being banned, its the risk they take, and these people have the right to get them banned if they want.

They have the right to bot and risk being banned.
And these guys have the right to report them.

IDc Either way TBH, But accusing people of just being jealous/selfish when they're reporting someone for breaking the rules is kinda asinine.

[Direct]

So much crap in this thread its making my head spin. You really don't catch 200 haks a day so no one is making 2 mil per char a day. Moving onto the bait the prices are almost all the time maxed out on quetz so people are spending hours collecting bait or crafting it, eitherway both cost money to do and if people are buying bait it takes the money directlty out of the game.

It's not just like anyone can come and catch these fish first you need high level fishing and then a ebisu rod, and why is it anytime someone is fishing you always get the fool who says there botting straight away regardless of what fish it is from a bastore sardine to a hakuryu the same tired old accusation, fishing is a part of the game get over it.

[Mifaco]

If you honestly think the majority of Hak fishers aren't using bots, I feel sorry for how naive you are.



So much crap in this thread its making my head spin. You really don't catch 200 haks a day so no one is making 2 mil per char a day. Moving onto the bait the prices are almost all the time maxed out on quetz so people are spending hours collecting bait or crafting it, eitherway both cost money to do and if people are buying bait it takes the money directlty out of the game.

It's not just like anyone can come and catch these fish first you need high level fishing and then a ebisu rod, and why is it anytime someone is fishing you always get the fool who says there botting straight away regardless of what fish it is from a bastore sardine to a hakuryu the same tired old accusation, fishing is a part of the game get over it.

[Jhanaka]

Hello folks,

I have been watching this thread and feel it may be a good time to lock and close the discussion.

I will let you know that the GM team is reviewing our procedures for reviewing for Third Party Program Use and Absentee Play, both of which are violations, though normally addressed by the Special Task Force.

I do understand why folks feel the GMs should be more involved as we can be a bit more hands on and you can get a direct reply from someone, not submit the names to some email list where you do not know what goes on. Your voice is being heard, but the wheels do take a bit to get going.

Thank you, again, for your honest feedback.

-Senior Game Master Jhanaka