final fantasy xi expansion being excluded from playstion2 users

[diabius]

i have been thinking opn this decision for a long time since hearing about the excusion of playstation 2 players from obtaining the expansion even in a digital form downloadable through the game. i feel this is a disservice to all players who have loyally played this game, enjoyed this game and contiune to on playstation 2. this is a travisty and i am supremely angry beyond words that i cant enjoy this game beyond what i have done because i cant have access to the expansion. what point would it be to have servers that multicross platforms to play together, and yet segregate playstation 2 users from obtaining the expansion the other platforms can use? i feel this hurts myself, and other loyal playstation users that the system that supported square enix and final fantasy from the beginning is being thrown to the wayside like this. i dont include my disfaction for impletmented adjustments here though i have many dissatisfactions, my main issue is still that something needs to be done for plastation 2 players to be able to continue enjoying this game. why not implament the use of final fantasy xi onto the playstation 3. atleast then the game can progress after all, you created a xbox360 version that has improved graphics what difference would there be to do the same thing so playstation users can still play this game and progress and have fun.


james (diabius: ragnarok)

[Wagram]

Nothing against you or any other PS2 users, however as a former PS2 user, I really wish they would just cut the service entirely. It's doing nothing but holding the entire game back. Low grade PCs (my 12 year old PC) can run it better.

[Villy]

Seriously, move on to a better system, there is no longer a big price gap. You ps2 people have had 10 years to save up money to by a better system or pc.

[Zoloe]

Besides, the PS4 is on the way and the PS2 is going to be phased out (finally). Gamestop is even going to completely stop selling PS2 games very soon, like they did with original Xbox games a few years ago. Time to get the pc version, I bet you can buy XI and every expansion including the new one for liiiiike $40.... oh, look, I'm right~ Link (http://store.na.square-enix.com/store/sqenixus/en_US/pd/productID.264017000#.UVMqxhyR_h4)

[Bahamut]

i have been thinking opn this decision for a long time since hearing about the excusion of playstation 2 players from obtaining the expansion even in a digital form downloadable through the game. i feel this is a disservice to all players who have loyally played this game, enjoyed this game and contiune to on playstation 2. this is a travisty and i am supremely angry beyond words that i cant enjoy this game beyond what i have done because i cant have access to the expansion. what point would it be to have servers that multicross platforms to play together, and yet segregate playstation 2 users from obtaining the expansion the other platforms can use? i feel this hurts myself, and other loyal playstation users that the system that supported square enix and final fantasy from the beginning is being thrown to the wayside like this. i dont include my disfaction for impletmented adjustments here though i have many dissatisfactions, my main issue is still that something needs to be done for plastation 2 players to be able to continue enjoying this game. why not implament the use of final fantasy xi onto the playstation 3. atleast then the game can progress after all, you created a xbox360 version that has improved graphics what difference would there be to do the same thing so playstation users can still play this game and progress and have fun.


james (diabius: ragnarok)

As a player who started online games on the PS2, played EQOA And FFXI launches on the PS2, I can feel ya there bud. Just last year they shut down EQOA leaving only FFXI as the MMO left on ps2. I did buy a PC and the requirments for them to run are very low, a $50 computer can run ffxi. Since I switched the Graphics on the PC are very very fine and nice if you get the settings just right in the FFXI config menu. You can also use a Logitech dual action controler, which is identical to the ps2 controler, and the config menu even has the presets of the PS2 in it for your Logitech controler. It works exactly like the ps2 but its on the PC. I know it was hard putting my ps2 into the electronic recycle bin, I had to give it a graveyard salute, even if anyone around me dint understand what I was doing talking to a ps2. GL, hope this helps in your transition to a PC, from one past ps2 player to another.

[Elphy]

Agreed and now is the time to do it. Since you would be spending $30 on the expansion anyway, throw in an extra $10 and get a new version on a new system. Even the cheapest and crappiest PCs with the cheapest and crappiest built in video cards can run this game easily.

You can't hold an entire mmo back because a small handful of players refuse to upgrade their system

[katiekat]

this has to be a troll topic

[katiekat]

sumthing i have always wonderd could they not just port the xbox copy to the ps3 like any other game?

[Sarick]

Besides, the PS4 is on the way and the PS2 is going to be phased out (finally). Gamestop is even going to completely stop selling PS2 games very soon, like they did with original Xbox games a few years ago. Time to get the pc version, I bet you can buy XI and every expansion including the new one for liiiiike $40.... oh, look, I'm right~ Link (http://store.na.square-enix.com/store/sqenixus/en_US/pd/productID.264017000#.UVMqxhyR_h4)

Then they announce we're dropping support or something after you upgrade to a PC. Been there done there aren't expansion disk being shipped out either you need to download the digital copies. They won't put the digital copies up because they can still make money off the software at launch. You're actually buying the codes not the software if you already have access to other expansion areas. It's not like you can play the software without registering keys, paying a subscription and setting up a management account.

Fo the record I have 11+ ffxi ultimate abysea collection keys, with 5 PlayStations, each with backup network adapters, hard drives and several PCS. Yes, I played on multiple Playstations at one point without all those 3rd party tools using only 1 TV screen with subs running in a headless setup.

When the PC's where set up to move over I invested a lot of money into them. They where setup specifically to run the game FFXI in the most efficient OS. This was XP for the FFXI game. Then a shocking XP announcement was made. I had to consider reinvesting in new OS software at $99-$199 each or buy new PC's if they cut compatibility.

I might be an exception but the seekers expansion had me fearful of bleeding a lot of money. I think these PS2 players deserve more respect. If it wasn't for them this game night have never been half what it is today.

I do admit though you all should try and move over. I know exactly how frustrating it can be don't make it worse for people who are in a comfortable setup. The only thing this can do in the long term is just make MORE people quit for the wrong reasons.

[wildsprite]

they went through this, there just aren't enough PS2 players left to warrant them translating it to the US PS2, they arent going to change their stance on that, if they were they would have already

if you have a PC that can get on these forums chances are unless its absolutely terrible it will run FFXI and there are plenty of PS2 style controllers out there you can use with the PC, consider this as an option

and don't get too upset when this post of yours gets ignored by SE, I'm sure they will look at it and go "oh this topic again, some people just don't get it"

[wildsprite]

Then they announce we're dropping support or something after you upgrade to a PC. Been there done there aren't expansion disk being shipped out either you need to download the digital copies. They won't put the digital copies up because they can still make money off the software at launch. You're actually buying the codes not the software if you already have access to other expansion areas. It's not like you can play the software without registering keys, paying a subscription and setting up a management account.

Fo the record I have 11+ ffxi ultimate abysea collection keys, with 5 PlayStations, each with backup network adapters, hard drives and several PCS. yEs I played on multiple PS2's at one point without all those 3rd party tools using 1 TV screen with subs in a headless setup. When I set the PC's up to move over the XP They where setup specifically to run the game FFXI (nodda anything else) then an XP announcement was made. I had to consider reinvesting in new OS software at $99-$199 each or buy new PC's.

I might be an exception but the seekers expansion had me fearful of bleeding a lot of money. I think these PS2 players deserve more respect. If it wasn't for them this game night have never been half what it is today. I do admit though you all should try and move over. I know exactly how frustrating it can be don't make it worse for people who are in a comfortable setup. The only thing this can do in the long term is just make MORE people quit for the wrong reasons.

the game still works on XP(confirmed in another post on these very forums), they are just dropping support for it(I.E. if you call and its an issue with the OS you're on your own)

[Sarick]

if you have a PC that can get on these forums chances are unless its absolutely terrible it will run FFXI and there are plenty of PS2 style controllers out there you can use with the PC, consider this as an option


Hello, fellow Misfitz LS friend!

Sorry this is False. Some people use laptops to connect to the interwebs. These laptops may have popular cost redution graphics chips that are incompatible with FFXI. If you read up there are some issues with Intel graphics cards not showing character modals etc. So, even though the PC's "laptops" can access the web or play some graphical games the FFXI game doesn't work on just anything even if it's of modern design.

[Bled]

Good riddance, the PS2 version is doing nothing but holding the whole game back.

I hope they phase it out more and more, I'm sorry but if you do not have a computer that can play a 10 year old game then o well. You can get super cheap laptops or desktops (hell i can link some if need be) with dedicated graphics cards that blow this game away. Seriously 10years! how have people not bought a PC capable of running this in that amount of time.

When this game first released i played it on my parents Dell, which had 256 ram, one processor core, and no dedicated graphics card. Now the game has improved bit by bit but still I bet you i could pry run it on that poor excuse for a computer.

[Teraniku]

the game still works on XP(confirmed in another post on these very forums), they are just dropping support for it(I.E. if you call and its an issue with the OS you're on your own)

The only reason they are dropping XP support is because Microsoft is .

[wildsprite]

Sorry this is False. Some people use laptops to connect to the interwebs. These laptops may have popular cost redution graphics chips that are incompatible with FFXI. If you read up there are some issues with Intel graphics cards not showing character modals etc. So, even though the PC's "laptops" can access the web or play some graphical games the FFXI game doesn't work on just anything even if it's of modern design.
then that laptop is really old because my 8 year old laptop with crappy intel graphics chip works with XI just fine, sometimes a bit laggy but it works, my friend has a netbook that can work with XI as well, she just need to upgrade her RAM, but that isn't that expensive to do


The only reason they are dropping XP support is because Microsoft is .
this is false, Microsoft isn't dropping official support for XP till next April, they are dropping support for Vista close to the same time

[Sarick]

the game still works on XP(confirmed in another post on these very forums), they are just dropping support for it(I.E. if you call and its an issue with the OS you're on your own)

Hello, fellow Misfitz LS friend!

I know this if you've been reading the forums you'd see me in those discussions. I even was the who ask for conformation. The whole point was the shock and awe of the announcement that was a big backhand in the face. It caused a ripple effect of sickness after I just invested in the expansion. At the time I made the purchase there was no statement they'd be dropping XP support.

The wording from the announcement wasn't clear enough explaing that you could still install seekers expansion. It instead stated that it will continue to work after the update. It also mentioned elsewhere that the reason why they was dropping support is "because the expansion didn't support it" it then went on to say the game would continue working after the update but yadda yadd yadda announcements in the future yadda.

It's upsetting that I'm smack in the middle of this and being corrected on what I already know/said in previous post I've made. As I stated before, when I called for support, emailed support or used chat support I never got useful help anyway. I found my answers from outside sources. Infact some of the suggestions from support where more harmful then good.

This is why I stopped using playstations because that console users got the run around with software bugs that where never fixed in the US. Just create a new character take it to level 30 with all expansions installed and get to port Jeuno or inside Qufim tower on a PS2. You'll blackscreen of death in the CS unable to log on the console until you load the character with a PC client and get past the CSes. I still have emails somewhere from the automated support responses.

Taking that into account a lot of PS2 users where probably STILL forced to move to PC because the console software wasn't stable enough to play. This most likely assisted in the instal base being reduced enough to support a profitable expansion. It's more or less not cause and reaction here IMHO that caused this not the players who are still on PS2.

[Obysuca]

Thing I've noticed though, I'm running on a 1100.00 PC(got a 7111 on max setting for XIV benchmark >.>), I see a grid in the sky and the items look super pixely >.> Ps2's sky looked as real as the one outside and the items look a lot better when /c people >.>

[Teraniku]

then that laptop is really old because my 8 year old laptop with crappy intel graphics chip works with XI just fine, sometimes a bit laggy but it works, my friend has a netbook that can work with XI as well, she just need to upgrade her RAM, but that isn't that expensive to do


this is false, Microsoft isn't dropping official support for XP till next April, they are dropping support for Vista close to the same time

Not false Microsoft is dropping XP support. Just not til next april. As a Company you would want to wean your customers off of the relatively soon to be non supported OS. So you can concentrate on the ones that will still continue to receive support.

[Sarick]

intel graphics chip works with XI just fine, sometimes a bit laggy but it works, my friend has a netbook that can work with XI as well, she just need to upgrade her RAM

Hello, fellow Misfitz LS friend!

No the system wasn't old it was new at the time a $399 Newegg Acer laptop she still uses today. Several tech garus tried installing FFXI even though it installed and ran without errors the character NPCs wouldn't appear. They couldn't figure it out. This was the main reason some players wanted to stick with consoles. They didn't need to deal with the PC related issues of driver matching, OS updates or other conflicts with necessary installed software/hardware incompatibilities.

PC's aren't as easy to setup for just anyone. FFXI being as old as it is needs a few touches to get it working right. There's now denying it isn't streight forward on anything above windows XP. I'm not saying XP is perfect its still not a walk in the park for an inexperienced non-technical user to setup. I'm saying that consoles where simplified for non-techical players who just wanted to hop on and play.

[wildsprite]

dropping support more than a year before the OS goes officially unsupported though? rather absurd, they kept support for windows 98 for more than a year AFTER its support was officially dropped, seems a bit fishy to me

[Sarick]

Not false Microsoft is dropping XP support. Just not til next april. As a Company you would want to wean your customers off of the relatively soon to be non supported OS. So you can concentrate on the ones that will still continue to receive support.

If you put it that way Microsoft IS dropping Windows 8 support! This isn't fiction because it's true. The only difference with my logic is the real world (WHEN) timeline that you also failed to acknowledge when you made this post.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/products/lifecycle

Windows 8 isn't listed yet and windows 7 is to be determined. This doesn't mean it's not planned because they're already working on windows 9!

[Kojo]

sumthing i have always wonderd could they not just port the xbox copy to the ps3 like any other game?

Not sure if that has been said, but look at Bethesda and Skyrim, they've proven copy and pasting from Xbox 360 to PS3 isn't easy.

[Ritsuka]

I agree with him you shouldn't phase out a system with out replace it with something else. This made the ps2's hard drive useful now sense its getting cut back its worthless 100$ down the drain and it still works fine. The ps2 wasnt holding the game back the fact that the game is old is why the graphics are not up the pair with others it come out in 2000 hello? The ps3's games can run on the ps vita and the vita isn't as strong as the ps3. The fact Square was stating the ps2 had issue's was because "SONY" placed a 10 gig partition limit to square soft when the game was made. That they just finally let them increase just last year. Just upgrade the game to ps3 its gonna be cheap soon now price drop to 100 bucks well be very soon.

[Trumpy]

does it matter when they are droppin support for xp. the first time it was mentioned he didnt even mention a date, i feel like u are argueing for the same thing lol. but what im curious bout is microsoft is droppin support for vista? i hadnt heard that yet.

[Alhanelem]

some ppl dont seem to understand, "dropping support" doesn't mean "suddenly wont work anymore." it simply means they won't help you if something goes wrong.

[TybudX]

PC's aren't as easy to setup for just anyone. FFXI being as old as it is needs a few touches to get it working right..

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Graphics

On behalf of those of us that are not in preschool I would like to apologize for the way SE has mistreated you. Or maybe you are a sheep dog? Or some other animal that does not use their frontal lobe. Maybe you have just never seen a computer before, and truly are mystified by the wonderful advances we have made in science and technology in the last 45 years. Good luck! I hope reading the wiki page does not interfere with the functioning of your breathing tube.

[Ravenmore]

some ppl dont seem to understand, "dropping support" doesn't mean "suddenly wont work anymore." it simply means they won't help you if something goes wrong.

They didn't help much to start with, so old man is just getting bent because he has a bunch of ps2 that omg have no use anymore. Christ on a cracker its a outdated system and why make disc that the largest retail outlets won't carry. Only reason xbox 360 got disc is retailer are still stocking the 360 and the games it plays.

Also really how hard is it to find and update a video driver, if you can't do that or least know someone that can( like a niece or nephew or the 13 year old kid next door) what cave have you been living in. That is the most you would have to do to get ffxi to run on just about any laptop or pc.

[Kojo]

As a person who started and played on PS2 for 7 years, then swapped to laptop. I can see where the PS2 is holding the game back. I'd rather them drop PS2 entirely, though it does irk me that JP can get SoA on PS2 while NA/EU can't.

I'd also like to add that one or two people complaining about no PS2 SoA isn't going to change their minds. No one makes/sales brand new Sega Genesis games, don't expect them to make/sale PS2 software, it's obsolete. Lastly, excluding PS2 was a business decision, most likely; you can't get a $30 disc so you go buy a $40 disc to play on PC. IMO, the fact that JP still get PS2 is a bad business decision, but this is an American looking at the way JP play. I may not fully understand how things go on the JP side.

[Teraniku]

If you put it that way Microsoft IS dropping Windows 8 support! This isn't fiction because it's true. The only difference with my logic is the real world (WHEN) timeline that you also failed to acknowledge when you made this post.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/products/lifecycle

Windows 8 isn't listed yet and windows 7 is to be determined. This doesn't mean it's not planned because they're already working on windows 9!

Obviously, because it's the nature of the beast.

[cloverlief]

Not false Microsoft is dropping XP support. Just not til next april. As a Company you would want to wean your customers off of the relatively soon to be non supported OS. So you can concentrate on the ones that will still continue to receive support.

Actually if you go the Microsoft support site you will see that support for XP RTM dropped earlier this month.
However if you have a service pack you are still covered for a bit.

http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/springboard/archive/2013/02/14/windows-7-rtm-end-of-support-is-right-around-the-corner.aspx

Since XP support has stopped for all versions, many game groups are dropping support. That does not mean the game does not work. That just means if you call for support because you are having an issue related to your OS and the game they can't do anything to help you. That also means separate testing of updates will not be tested on XP but most likely will still work.

This does open the door for the item brought up in the last vanafest with regards to a possible graphics update (which may require a directX update.

I hope this helps. Sometimes in this world it is time to upgrade hardware. Not enough US people still have PS2s that play this game, the PS3 did not do that well, and while it is doing a little better now, the PS4 is almost out and it is not looking promising with it's future either. It is too early to say, if the PS3 or the PS4 take off like the PS2 did then maybe this would change. The PS2 limitation with storage space and issues that can't easily be fixed has been plagueing the game for so many years it is really time to put it to pasture and move on. You can still get your PS2 style experience with a budget PC (Windows 7 or 8) and either an adaptor for the PS2 controller or a logitech that is similar. Who knows it may be like a whole new world with the graphics upgrade you will see over the PS2.

[Jaall]

Even if they dropped PS2 support do you really think the game would be any better?? SE aren't even updating the gameplay that isn't being held back by PS2 let alone the things that are. Also, even if they did start implementing changes that have been held back, it wouldn't include a massive graphic overhaul, it wont look like FFXIV and if it did everyone would complain because their cheap, old computers couldn't run it. Seriously, do you guys even realise what you're saying or what you're arguing for? I do agree the PS2 is old but so's FFXI, you all even said that. Stop placing all the blame on PS2 and start realising where the actual blame lies... Age of the game itself.

Ps - I have never once played it on PS2 and have no intention to, only 360 and PC, currently have a very good PC running it happily, but that doesn't mean I hate PS2. But I do agree that it's very easy to switch to a PC and can be pretty cheap.

[zataz]

guess ill start it <,< x box limitations!!!

[Volkai]

The harsh truth is that SE determined the cost of manufacturing and distributing Adoulin on PS2 for the NA region outweighed the potential profit margin of doing so. The math is not in your favor.

It sucks, but that's how it is.

[zataz]

The harsh truth is that SE determined the cost of manufacturing and distributing Adoulin on PS2 for the NA region outweighed the potential profit margin of doing so. The math is not in your favor.

It sucks, but that's how it is.

yep pc ftw >.>

[Volkai]

yep pc ftw >.>

Actually there are enough active Xbox players to have justified the cost of both expansion and ultimate collection disc for NA region, so it's not PC only.


Anyways, consider this question - which goes better (less badly) for SE - charging PS2 players a higher rate for the expansion (to offset a guaranteed smaller volume of sales), or not selling it at all?

Either way, SE suffers negative PR. Not making the discs removes potential profit but also avoids significant costs. Making the discs has a definite real cost but if the price is too high nobody buys it vs. if the price is too low you lose money anyways due to the limited pool of buyers.


Damn but I wish I could make a good fiscal case for SE releasing Adoulin on PS2 NA. I'd buy it straightaway.

[Alhanelem]

They didn't help much to start with, so old man is just getting bent because he has a bunch of ps2 that omg have no use anymore. Christ on a cracker its a outdated system and why make disc that the largest retail outlets won't carry. Only reason xbox 360 got disc is retailer are still stocking the 360 and the games it plays.

Also really how hard is it to find and update a video driver, if you can't do that or least know someone that can( like a niece or nephew or the 13 year old kid next door) what cave have you been living in. That is the most you would have to do to get ffxi to run on just about any laptop or pc.I think you misunderstand- I'm with you- the statement was more directed at Windows XP support being dropped. A lot of people thought it meant the game won't run on XP anymore, when that's not the case at all.

[Hayward]

Were it not for the fact FFXI runs well on Boot Camped Windows 8, I'd have had to abandon FFXI entirely as I don't trust the XBox360 structurally (see: Red Ring of Death) or any non-MacBook for various reasons. The half-measure S-E took toward PS2 was about as gutless as I've seen in a game company and left a lot of American PS2 players high and dry. There's no excuse for that, no matter the financial analysis.

[Alhanelem]

or any non-MacBook for various reasons.This is the silliest thing I've ever heard of. There are plenty of well-made laptops out there. When you buy apple, you're not necessarily getting higher build quality- they just charge an absurd premium for the same hardware as in any non-mac PC. Apple is to computers what some famous designer is to clothing- you're paying for form more than function. (Don't get me wrong, I like Mac OSX- But i'd sooner build a Hackintosh then buy a computer directly from apple.. I don't hate macs, they're just ridiculously overpriced.)

Lenovo (formerly IBM) think pads are built like tanks. Asus is a good brand too. Ironically, the ones you've probably heard of the most are the ones I'd reccomend avoiding.

If you hate windows, then try Linux instead. Ubuntu is as user-friendly as they come.

[Volkai]

Were it not for the fact FFXI runs well on Boot Camped Windows 8, I'd have had to abandon FFXI entirely as I don't trust the XBox360 structurally (see: Red Ring of Death) or any non-MacBook for various reasons. The half-measure S-E took toward PS2 was about as gutless as I've seen in a game company and left a lot of American PS2 players high and dry. There's no excuse for that, no matter the financial analysis.

You understand that SE is a for-profit company, right?

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Actually there are enough active Xbox players to have justified the cost of both expansion and ultimate collection disc for NA region

EU, not so much.

Globalization doesn't exist in the video game world, it seems.

[Volkai]

EU, not so much.

Globalization doesn't exist in the video game world, it seems.

I don't know the numbers for EU region, but chances are good the math says that the profit:loss ratio of making XBox disc for EU region wasn't good enough for it to go into production, same as with NA PS2.

I'm not privy to the numbers myself, but that's what makes sense. I'm pretty sure that if the numbers were there to back up the case that making XBox EU and PS2 NA discs would lead to meaningful profits, SE would leap at the chance.



To be clear, I'm not telling anyone to be happy about this or that it doesn't suck. But have some understanding about why things are the way things are and you can see that this isn't SE trying to anger you... it's just a crappy situation.

[JouriStarz]

Life isn't fair people, get over it.

[Sarick]

TybudX or should I say Elementa THANK you for the rude childish insults. You made nothing but a horrid example of how to respond about the technology issues facing a high percentage of the populace. What I stated was some people would rather not deal with complexities of computers. This is true on any aspect of life for people who live it normally.


PC's aren't as easy to setup for just anyone. FFXI being as old as it is needs a few touches to get it working right.

That wiki link about graphics did nothing for your credibility. It didn't even acknowledge the point I was making as it was totally irrelevant to the subject. Those touches I was talking about was getting things to function right with drivers installation in such. I wasn't talking about tweaking the graphics settings. Out of context partial quotes are still out of context. Links to what may contain valuable information doesn't mean squat if its unrelated to the context.

Please with all do respect get over that superiority complex. You didn't even recognize what I was actually talking about. Instead you started trash talking me for my valid opinions while pointing to links that weren't relevant to the part you quoted in my post.

Now let me explain the context. You can pay someone to fix your car or you an do it yourself. That doesn't mean that everyone knows how to fix their cars. Just because they've been out over 100 years doesn't make everyone experts at fixing them. Lets say you own a few vehicles that doesn't make you an expert with all of them. It also doesn't give you the right to tell others they are stupid for owning their outdated obsolete cars.

IMHO, if a person wants to choose simplicity or some highly skilled person wants a super car let them. It's sad though when another person feels the need to belittle another for choosing a standard or last years model. Look at Jay Leno he enjoys cars from the 1800s. I'm sure he'd look at your car (if you have one) and say WOW that's an awesome car you have! /Sarcaism If it get's them from point A to point B without causing trouble then it's good enough for some people.

Lets look at a donkeys perspective of a sanitary cat doing his business. He thinks lesser of the cat for covering his excrement. This doesn't make the donkeys choice to leave it uncovered a better one. Either way excrement stinks and It's unsanitary. Excreta It should always be covered up or avoided. The cat chooses to cover it and avoid the extra smell while donkeys don't. This is why donkeys should be given enough space to lie down or eat away from their own excreta.

My understanding is people should be given the choice to keep things simple if they wish by covering their waste. Waste being stuff they'd rather avoid working with like a complex setup or super car. Some opinions differs like the donkeys. He thinks "hey. let's just leave it behind." with callous for others who might step in it. I strongly disagree with those disgusting attitudes.

I don't have to pay others to fix my computers and would like to keep it that way. The only time I look down on people with computers is when I tell them "DON'T DO THIS YOU'LL MESS UP YOUR COMPUTER!" and they do it anyway causing something to break (I'm usually ask to fix it! and they just break it again!).

If people are given something simple like a console or smart phone that's less work for the both of us if something fails. In hindsight simple has it's advantages just the same as a complex setup. Just because someone knows something well doesn't make them right. These people who want things simple are not stupid. They just aren't experts by choice or nature. To say otherwise is a delusional self-centered view of reality.

In the case of PC's vs Playstations it's not always that easy dispute what you think in this wonderful technical world. It's clear most of the population runs to new tech because greed, unfulfilled desire or some corporate entity persuades their subconscious judgement to abandon older tech and move forward.

In your case there is passion a lot fury, and some knowledge. How petty is this to show these attributes world in such manner? You should be using that creative skill to help others move forward in a positive way instead of belittling them as lesser beings for their choices or lack of technical understanding.

Side note:
It's also good to see another MULE talking rudely on public forum. At least show some fortitude and use your real character when being so anti-social. This way people know who's slinging garbage. Also, show some respect next time you might get some in return. I choose to mention excrement because it suited your response.

[Sarick]

some ppl dont seem to understand, "dropping support" doesn't mean "suddenly wont work anymore." it simply means they won't help you if something goes wrong.

Without any disrespect. At first this wasn't clear and scared the crap out of a lot of players. This was compounded by the response that was made. It didn't indicate that the expansion pack would be installable on XP systems. The PS2 being removed from the expansion gave a different vib when this announcement was made.

I don't remember the exact link but when people questioned the reasons it was stated that the next EXPANSION didn't support it. Not something like "We aren't supporting it after the next expansion." Can you see where the misunderstanding was made. There was never a public statement to correct that miscommunication. Taking into account how quickly PS2 was dropped and how they didn't try to officially reassure customers. It made a mess of things.

It's was a blunder of communication. The PS2 being dropped wasn't a failed communication. They openly explained why and said the expansion wouldn't install on the PS2. There was no statement that it would or wouldn't install on the XP PC's. THey only said that the software would continue to run for the time being. Continue to run and being updated to the new expansion are completely different pictures.

Communication is the breakdown here. The loss of support may or may not be an issue in the future. I know I have multiple systems running fine. They are dedicated to ONLY this game. They don't need security patches as much as the average player who uses their OS for everything inside the interwebbs. So why should I be forced to abandon them like I did the PS2s when the FFXI client broke the functionality of them?

As for them not supporting it that's different. Hey if they break something and your on XP, tough luck! They don't support it and probably won't fix it on their end. So it does really matter? I assume like it mattered when the PS2 clients started having black screen issues. Several players mentioned these and they where never fixed. Keep in mind PS2 is/was still being supported at that time and still is. So putting the XP and PS2 support issues into context compels a logical conclusion that there will probably be unknown or unfavorable outcomes from the recent announcements in the near future.

[Sarick]

Life isn't fair people, get over it.

You say that like you've already died? Are you posting from the great beyond. Hehe, I'm just kidding.

Could you think of another way to influence people because this isn't helping anyone move forward. Perhaps you could offer to buy them new custom PC systems with windows 8 and tweeked FFXI installs. That'd make everyone who lost support very very happy.

Is that fair enough for you? My guess is NO so, why did you say that? Was it not enough to let them die in piece? Another NO, because you was compelled rub it in their face with an awesome comment like that.

/clap motion <me> <wait 1>
/em starts a slow clap! <wait 4>
/stagger <me>
:rolleyes:

[JouriStarz]

Not rubbing anything in anyone's face just stating an obvious fact. There is a difference between complaining about something changing that you dislike and acting like you're entitled with the "customer is always right" mentality. The truth is life isn't fair and everyone won't be pleased when things change but yes they have to deal with it and get over it eventually.

If for whatever reason people are only able to play FFXI on PS2 and nothing else whatsoever then well it just sucks for them. Not trying to sound like a douche that's just how it is.

[Sarick]

Not rubbing anything in anyone's face just stating an obvious fact. There is a difference between complaining about something changing that you dislike and acting like you're entitled with the "customer is always right" mentality. The truth is life isn't fair and everyone won't be pleased when things change but yes they have to deal with it and get over it eventually.

If for whatever reason people are only able to play FFXI on PS2 and nothing else whatsoever then well it just sucks for them. Not trying to sound like a douche that's just how it is.

The customers are right sometimes, Just look at the news. You think a company can live with that reality "just live with it" if it's bleeding customers? If people aren't happy you don't see a profitable future no matter how much you invest. The customers playing on FFXI right now are mostly hard core and will stick it out till the end no matter what development choices are made.

Overall, if you have a low satisfaction rate for your business model it doesn't expand. Just look at world of Warcraft I don't even own an account but when I called them up over emails I was getting the support staff treated me like gold. It's things like this that make people think about services. I think I explained why a lot of PS2 users where forced to move to PC/360 or quit. There are many factors. In my case it was because the client failed to function or get fixed in the first place.

There is a defined pattern since the pre-launch of FFI (The one on NES). If you know your history (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/07/final-fantasy/) you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. The name itself means more then most people realize. I could go on about details. It's just good history when you learn something new.

It always takes a major decline to cause restructure in some business models bringing out the best creativity. Obviously, the markets are hurting everywhere but that's no reason to just tell people give up. After all sometimes It's best just to avoid commenting about something that doesn't affect you if you really don't care or understand it.

With the callous attitude "Just deal with it" and you'll always encounter devastating repeats of the past. It's not like all customers can be thrown away without repercussions. People lose jobs if companies make mistakes. If you upset your loyal customers or stockholders they eventually invest their money elsewhere. You might not be fully aware so I'll point you to check the financial news come this 31st.

If you still feel froggy you can sing that frog song after the big announcement. Until then be leery of people who say "JUST DEAL WITH IT". After all you might find yourself falling on your rear beside them out in the cold harsh reality. If it's not obvious all things have a cause and effect that may have created a chain reaction further down the road. When those bad things happen something caused them.

The PS2 being dropped US is to save money. I can understand why the PS2 community didn't grow but the PS3 never got a chance to replace the PS2 version. As a result this game as a whole lost the chance at gaining some new players.

Want some details about why customers matter? While other rivals continue to grow in popularity the egregious reaction towards the Final Fantasy brand grows equally. What does this mean? You figure it out. I don't think I need to explain things. "Not trying to sound like a douche that's just how it is."

[xiozen]

they went through this, there just aren't enough PS2 players left to warrant them translating it to the US PS2, they arent going to change their stance on that, if they were they would have already

if you have a PC that can get on these forums chances are unless its absolutely terrible it will run FFXI and there are plenty of PS2 style controllers out there you can use with the PC, consider this as an option

and don't get too upset when this post of yours gets ignored by SE, I'm sure they will look at it and go "oh this topic again, some people just don't get it"

QFT

They already told us, well in advance of the release, that it would not be available on the Playstation 2 system--so to see an entire post devoted to venting over something that was already clarified from the start is a waste of space IMHO.

Just sayin'.

[Elizara]

Guys, guys. I am a PS2 to PC transplant myself. (Was sharing account at the time and we had a fat PS2 argument, so I finally installed it on the PC. My brother I was sharing with is mostly retired now)

I thought of this when it was announced that us English speaking players wouldn't have access to the expansion for the PS2, so I wrote a guide; Believe me, for a hardcore PS2 player, swapping isn't as easy as it sounds if you wanna keep your account. (Most PS2 players are security dumb, I've seen it) You can find a version on Allakahzam (http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=134894569432007250) and on FFXI AH (http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/35305/guide-how-to-swap-from-console-to-pc/). And yes, feel free to ask questions, the only thing I can't answer is how to get a PS3 controller on the PC. Haven't done it.

[TybudX]

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/45610/how-to-use-your-ps-3-controllers-as-a-joystick-for-your-windows-pc/

I use that software for ps3 and XBox controllers, never had any problems.

Sarick. Let me get this straight. You are defending the impossible to maintain position of linking 5 PS2s together with Cerebro to form a super computer in order to play FFXI. You think keeping Professor X tied up in a basement to control all this is less frightening than downloading drivers for a laptop. You somehow managed to say all of this in 10,000 words or more.

Your own LS mate came in here and told you what was going on with Windows XP, and instead of realizing that you made a mistake you turned it around and made out like it was SE's fault for being vague about what dropping support for XP means. This is despite Analhelm explaining it to you in one clear, concise sentence. Analhelm. Sarick, I took your signature to heart and rated Anal up for his posts.

Next you go on to defend your right to be obstinate by claiming that although the customer isn't always right, you are. Clearly your knowledge of marketing and economy should weigh more on how SE delivers this game to people than their own metrics. They should figure out how to make the piecemeal code work on ps3 architecture in order to keep the tiny fraction of players using ps2 happy. You know how you are complaining about simple to fix problems with running a 12 year old program on an 8 year old laptop? Bethesda couldn't get Skyrim working on ps3. Do I really need to explain to you the nightmare that FFXI would become if it was ported to ps3? Really? You think you are unhappy with a few missing animations? Come on man. Quit being an asshole.

[Volkai]

You think a company can live with that reality "just live with it" if it's bleeding customers? ... The customers playing on FFXI right now are mostly hard core and will stick it out till the end no matter what development choices are made.
I am confused. Did you just contradict yourself?


I think I explained why a lot of PS2 users where forced to move to PC/360 or quit. There are many factors. In my case it was because the client failed to function or get fixed in the first place.
Actually, a lot of PS2 users voluntarily moved to PC/X360 over the past decade. That's why there aren't enough (NA) PS2-only users remaining to justify the cost of manufacturing and distributing a PS2 expansion disc for Adoulin. The smallness of that remaining group is why they are now being forced to move or quit and even then this is only if they require the new expansion to continue playing.


There is a defined pattern since the pre-launch of FFI (The one on NES). If you know your history (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/07/final-fantasy/) you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. The name itself means more then most people realize. I could go on about details. It's just good history when you learn something new.

It always takes a major decline to cause restructure in some business models bringing out the best creativity. Obviously, the markets are hurting everywhere but that's no reason to just tell people give up. After all sometimes It's best just to avoid commenting about something that doesn't affect you if you really don't care or understand it.
Wait, are you saying anyone who has not played exclusively on PS2 up to this point should not comment on this matter? And are you also saying that the origin of FF1's "Final Fantasy" title is why you are justified in complaining about the dropping of PS2 support at this time, when it was announced many months ago? I want to make sure I'm understanding the points you're trying to make here.


With the callous attitude "Just deal with it" and you'll always encounter devastating repeats of the past. It's not like all customers can be thrown away without repercussions. People lose jobs if companies make mistakes. If you upset your loyal customers or stockholders they eventually invest their money elsewhere. You might not be fully aware so I'll point you to check the financial news come this 31st.

If you still feel froggy you can sing that frog song after the big announcement. Until then be leery of people who say "JUST DEAL WITH IT". After all you might find yourself falling on your rear beside them out in the cold harsh reality. If it's not obvious all things have a cause and effect that may have created a chain reaction further down the road. When those bad things happen something caused them.

The PS2 being dropped US is to save money. I can understand why the PS2 community didn't grow but the PS3 never got a chance to replace the PS2 version. As a result this game as a whole lost the chance at gaining some new players.
Umm... this may have been a relevant argument in 2006 when the PS3 was released, but that ship sailed long ago now. But the dedicated PS3 MMORPG community will have FFXIV coming out in future months. Anyways, the point is the PS3 is irrelevant to FFXI and always has been.


Want some details about why customers matter? While other rivals continue to grow in popularity the egregious reaction towards the Final Fantasy brand grows equally. What does this mean? You figure it out. I don't think I need to explain things. "Not trying to sound like a douche that's just how it is."

You need to explain things because while it's clear you're trying to make a point with this, it's unclear what that point is. Well, okay... it's not so much explanation that is needed so much as a lot of clarification, because right now trying to extract meaning from your post is like trying to stare through a glass of milk, instead of one of water, to see what's on the other side of the glass.

[Kaisha]

It's a 200mb expansion. Just give it to them as a patch download. It's not like the SoA-compatibility patch wasn't already that size to begin with.

[Hercule]

PS2 user's complaning on the decision of Sony to stop product the machine and games, its like if Nokia 3310 user's camplaining why they can't play angry bird.
(Nokia 3310 / Playstation 2: same generation of machine its just a random exemple)

At moment cause of SoA on PS2 for JP user's, all the FFXI community have so many restriction on FFXI, a minority of players downgrade everyone game.

For exemple, why you think SE removed some "autotranslate" word to add some new one, and why so many word are missing btw, and what about all the store items restriction problems

So yeah please PS2 User's buy a new machine, for the good of FFXI its not like an Xbox 360 or a low config PC is expensive

[Volkai]

PS2 user's complaning on the decision of Sony to stop product the machine and games, its like if Nokia 3310 user's camplaining why they can't play angry bird.
(Nokia 3310 / Playstation 2: same generation of machine its just a random exemple)

At moment cause of SoA on PS2 for JP user's, all the FFXI community have so many restriction on FFXI, a minority of players downgrade everyone game.

For exemple, why you think SE removed some "autotranslate" word to add some new one, and why so many word are missing btw, and what about all the store items restriction problems

So yeah please PS2 User's buy a new machine, for the good of FFXI its not like an Xbox 360 or a low config PC is expensive

Actually, it's not because of PS2 players in Japan being supported. It's because the game was originally made for PS2, the code that makes the game run is made for PS2.

What would have to be done for the infamous "PS2 limitations" to go away is the game's code would pretty much have to be rebuilt from the ground up, for x86/x64 architecture instead of PowerPC architecture.

Basically they would be making a new game that just happens to look and behave the same as FFXI. They could spend as much time and resources into making a new game... so either we'll eventually see "FFXI 2" come out, or those limitations you're complaining about will never go away completely.


Seriously I get exasperated every time I see this old, tired, wrong argument get dragged out. Having zero PS2 players does not magically change the code that forms the core of FFXI.

[Hercule]

Actually, it's not because of PS2 players in Japan being supported. It's because the game was originally made for PS2, the code that makes the game run is made for PS2.

What would have to be done for the infamous "PS2 limitations" to go away is the game's code would pretty much have to be rebuilt from the ground up, for x86/x64 architecture instead of PowerPC architecture.

Basically they would be making a new game that just happens to look and behave the same as FFXI. They could spend as much time and resources into making a new game... so either we'll eventually see "FFXI 2" come out, or those limitations you're complaining about will never go away completely.


Seriously I get exasperated every time I see this old, tired, wrong argument get dragged out. Having zero PS2 players does not magically change the code that forms the core of FFXI.


You wrong, all the problem is based on a lack or RAM in the PS2 (4mo of video ram!!!)
I don't talk about graphics, i talk about gearlist restricted to 80, autotranslate word restricted etc...

All this is cause the PS2 can't handle all the data in 4mo of RAM

Guive 8Mo of RAM in the PS2 and you can get all this restriction done and everyone happy, but this is not possible to add RAM in PS2.

[Jaall]

Honestly though, all of the changes that cutting PS2 support would bring aren't in any way major. If you would place auto translation restrictions above job fixes then you kinda need to get your priorities straight. There are a lot more things that need to be resolved than a limit on a couple of things that seem to be fine as they are. Besides, the main time you would need them is for communicating to JP players and since when did JP players use Auto translate??

[oliveira]

What would have to be done for the infamous "PS2 limitations" to go away is the game's code would pretty much have to be rebuilt from the ground up, for x86/x64 architecture instead of PowerPC architecture.

Ahem ... PS2 is MIPS. Two CPUs, R3000 @37Mhz and R5900 @299Mhz plus 2 custom vector calculation units from Toshiba, little endian ...

Also, it's POSIX-esque OS (UNIX style)

What uses Power PC is XBOX360 (three cores @3Ghz) and PS3 (1 core @3Ghz plus seven VLIW math optimized tiny but quite powerful processing units). PS2 capable PS3s which can run FFXI have the PS2 CPU/GPU in them.

[Luvbunny]

FYI, there is really not much to do in SoA. PS2 users won't miss out on a lot. Save your money, or just use it to but Xbox 360. We may have to wait 2 years to get a full version of the expansion if they are moving fast, or 4 years if they are moving slow. So really, all the cries are not warranted since the full meat and potatoes of the game is still accessible to PS2 users. If you don't like campaign, you won't be thrilled with Reive. The 2 new jobs are still questionable at best with Geomancer being voted as wasted party slot at this time, maybe future updates will over power this job.

[Candi]

Diabius, I feel you. I played on Ps2 for over 7 years... Then I took a break last year, came back on my laptop. Wow! What a difference! You should really do yourself a favor and get the PC version if you haven't by now.I bought a cheap Acer from Walmart on sale for around $250 some years ago and FFXI runs better on it then it did on my clunky-dusty PS2 on its best day.

[JouriStarz]

The customers are right sometimes, Just look at the news. You think a company can live with that reality "just live with it" if it's bleeding customers? If people aren't happy you don't see a profitable future no matter how much you invest. The customers playing on FFXI right now are mostly hard core and will stick it out till the end no matter what development choices are made.

Overall, if you have a low satisfaction rate for your business model it doesn't expand. Just look at world of Warcraft I don't even own an account but when I called them up over emails I was getting the support staff treated me like gold. It's things like this that make people think about services. I think I explained why a lot of PS2 users where forced to move to PC/360 or quit. There are many factors. In my case it was because the client failed to function or get fixed in the first place.

There is a defined pattern since the pre-launch of FFI (The one on NES). If you know your history (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/07/final-fantasy/) you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. The name itself means more then most people realize. I could go on about details. It's just good history when you learn something new.

It always takes a major decline to cause restructure in some business models bringing out the best creativity. Obviously, the markets are hurting everywhere but that's no reason to just tell people give up. After all sometimes It's best just to avoid commenting about something that doesn't affect you if you really don't care or understand it.

With the callous attitude "Just deal with it" and you'll always encounter devastating repeats of the past. It's not like all customers can be thrown away without repercussions. People lose jobs if companies make mistakes. If you upset your loyal customers or stockholders they eventually invest their money elsewhere. You might not be fully aware so I'll point you to check the financial news come this 31st.

If you still feel froggy you can sing that frog song after the big announcement. Until then be leery of people who say "JUST DEAL WITH IT". After all you might find yourself falling on your rear beside them out in the cold harsh reality. If it's not obvious all things have a cause and effect that may have created a chain reaction further down the road. When those bad things happen something caused them.

The PS2 being dropped US is to save money. I can understand why the PS2 community didn't grow but the PS3 never got a chance to replace the PS2 version. As a result this game as a whole lost the chance at gaining some new players.

Want some details about why customers matter? While other rivals continue to grow in popularity the egregious reaction towards the Final Fantasy brand grows equally. What does this mean? You figure it out. I don't think I need to explain things. "Not trying to sound like a douche that's just how it is."

I never once said the customers didn't matter because obviously they do I work in retail I know this fact. They made this decision because it would have been less profitable for them if they didn't. I'm sure they foresaw people would rage-quit over it but honestly more people did that when Abyssea came out and people quit the game all the time anyway it is nothing new.

As for PS3 there was never any intention of releasing FFXI on it ever. They said so themselves that doing so would be like building the game from scratch and if they were to do that they would want to create a brand new MMO which is how we ended up with FFXIV instead.

The point is the decision has been made and it's time to let go of your PS2. I had no choice but to quit playing on mine when Wings came out since I couldn't play discs on it anymore and guess what I somehow survived.

Being mad about it at this point is almost as stupid at being mad that no one releases movies on VHS anymore because the 5 people left in the world who actually have one that works can't be bothered to buy a DVD player.

[Morier]

As a player who started online games on the PS2, played EQOA And FFXI launches on the PS2, I can feel ya there bud. Just last year they shut down EQOA leaving only FFXI as the MMO left on ps2. I did buy a PC and the requirments for them to run are very low, a $50 computer can run ffxi. Since I switched the Graphics on the PC are very very fine and nice if you get the settings just right in the FFXI config menu. You can also use a Logitech dual action controler, which is identical to the ps2 controler, and the config menu even has the presets of the PS2 in it for your Logitech controler. It works exactly like the ps2 but its on the PC. I know it was hard putting my ps2 into the electronic recycle bin, I had to give it a graveyard salute, even if anyone around me dint understand what I was doing talking to a ps2. GL, hope this helps in your transition to a PC, from one past ps2 player to another.

i loved eqoa so much. i miss it.

[ktulu]

well the way I see it is this. my ps2 has been going strong since I bought it which was the day ps2 was released. ffxi was made for pc/ps2 then xbox. there is no good reason to release this new exp for only pc,xbox,and jp ps2 users and not na ps2 users.Granted the system is old outdated and does not look near as good as it does on pc however no reason to exclude ps2. idk why they cant make it to where you can transfer ffxi from ps2 to ps3. not everyone likes xbox. i didn't spend all that money or time building my character to be told to just deal with it. there has to be a way to transfer it to ps3 somehow. would hate to quit now when I've come soo far.

[Jaall]

If you owned your own company and you had to pay to have it released on PS2 you'd choose against it just like SE have. For games and disk production etc you have to have them produced in bulk which costs a fair bit of money, which is never usually a problem because a game if new or popular will make all of that back within the first month. However, FFXI is not popular compared to most other games in EU/NA, and then realise that PS2 players in those areas is a hell of a lot smaller than Xbox and PC. They have an incredibly good chance of making say 10,000 game copies and only selling 100-500 making it a severe loss. If they made 1,000 copies and only sold 500 then they'd still be making a loss and would have people complaining that they can't buy it in shops only the SE website because there wouldn't be enough for them to give to Amazon and every other game website/shop in every country. You must see why they haven't released it on PS2? While I agree it's a bit unfair on PS2 players, they're a business at the end of the day and will always put money first, but then as i first mentioned, so would you in their situation.

[Volkai]

well the way I see it is this. my ps2 has been going strong since I bought it which was the day ps2 was released. ffxi was made for pc/ps2 then xbox. there is no good reason to release this new exp for only pc,xbox,and jp ps2 users and not na ps2 users.

Actually there is. The reason is the cost to manufacture and distribute an NA-region PS2 disc as compared against the potential profit of selling that disc.

Keep in mind the PS2 is region-locked so a JP disc would require a JP PS2 to use. Any NA PS2 install would require an NA-specific disc, so they can't just take the same JP PS2 disc they're already manufacturing, slap it in a new box, and ship it overseas.



Granted the system is old outdated and does not look near as good as it does on pc however no reason to exclude ps2. You are correct, that is not a reason for exclusion. It also is unlikely to be why SE did what they did. (See above.)

idk why they cant make it to where you can transfer ffxi from ps2 to ps3. That would be because of the different hardware the two systems contain. Only the first (and second?) generation of PS3 could run PS2 games at all, and that's because they basically shoved a PS2 inside of the PS3 box.

not everyone likes xbox. i didn't spend all that money or time building my character to be told to just deal with it. there has to be a way to transfer it to ps3 somehow. would hate to quit now when I've come soo far.
So don't quit. You have several options:
1) Continue playing on PS2 (or on a PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility) without the Seekers of Adoulin expansion.
2) If you have or acquire a JP-region PS2 (or JP-region PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility), obtain a JP-region Seekers of Adoulin install disc, and continue playing on PS2/PS3.
3) Switch to PC. (Acquiring an FFXI-capable PC if you do not already have one.)
4) Switch to XBox. (Acquiring an XBox 360 with Hard Drive if you do not already have one.)
5) Quit.

Personally, I would recommend option 3 or 4, as those are probably cheaper than option 2's importing a JP-region PS2/3 and expansion disc, and don't limit/remove your gameplay as options 1 and 5 do... but the choice is yours, and these are the options I see being open to you with the reality of the situation being what it currently is.

[Volkai]

Look, SquareEnix has decided not to release an NA-Region PS2 Seekers of Adoulin expansion or collection disc. They have a reason for it.

You don't have to like that decision or the reason for it, but don't pretend that the reason for it doesn't exist.

You have options to address this. You can keep playing without the expansion or switch to a platform (including JP-region PS2) that is supported with the expansion. Or you can show SE the depth of your displeasure by quitting and denying them your money. You have options, even though none of them are the one you truly want.

Denying reality does not change it.

[Volkai]

So I do have one idea that might make an NA PS2 SoA release a reality. I started a new thread about it here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/forum.php#threads/31927

[Luvbunny]

Well kickstarter is good to show that there is interest. Although it may be cheaper to just get an Xbox or PC. But honestly, you are not missing out much on SoA, you can wait a year or 18 months till there are a good chunk of data is actually added. Right now SoA is like 10% or less of what an expansion should be. So yeah, start saving 20 dollars a month for a new Xbox :)

[ktulu]

they released this for jp players and not na players so that isn't an issue. I do run my own company. at the very least this should be a download just like the last 6 add ons. its not that big a down load

[Volkai]

they released this for jp players and not na players so that isn't an issue. I do run my own company. at the very least this should be a download just like the last 6 add ons. its not that big a down load

I'm... not sure what you running your own company has to do with this?

Anyways, the story and battlefield Add-Ons were not actual Expansions, as Seekers of Adoulin is.

[Kirito_Wind]

Actually there is. The reason is the cost to manufacture and distribute an NA-region PS2 disc as compared against the potential profit of selling that disc.

Keep in mind the PS2 is region-locked so a JP disc would require a JP PS2 to use. Any NA PS2 install would require an NA-specific disc, so they can't just take the same JP PS2 disc they're already manufacturing, slap it in a new box, and ship it overseas.


You are correct, that is not a reason for exclusion. It also is unlikely to be why SE did what they did. (See above.)
That would be because of the different hardware the two systems contain. Only the first (and second?) generation of PS3 could run PS2 games at all, and that's because they basically shoved a PS2 inside of the PS3 box.

So don't quit. You have several options:
1) Continue playing on PS2 (or on a PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility) without the Seekers of Adoulin expansion.
2) If you have or acquire a JP-region PS2 (or JP-region PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility), obtain a JP-region Seekers of Adoulin install disc, and continue playing on PS2/PS3.
3) Switch to PC. (Acquiring an FFXI-capable PC if you do not already have one.)
4) Switch to XBox. (Acquiring an XBox 360 with Hard Drive if you do not already have one.)
5) Quit.

Personally, I would recommend option 3 or 4, as those are probably cheaper than option 2's importing a JP-region PS2/3 and expansion disc, and don't limit/remove your gameplay as options 1 and 5 do... but the choice is yours, and these are the options I see being open to you with the reality of the situation being what it currently is.

I don't think option 2 is possible. Although you can access the server through the JP and NA game, they are different games? I think I remember hearing it isn't possible to log into the japanese version with a NA account... I mean isn't that the reason our service accounts have our region on it?

[Volkai]

I don't think option 2 is possible. Although you can access the server through the JP and NA game, they are different games? I think I remember hearing it isn't possible to log into the japanese version with a NA account... I mean isn't that the reason our service accounts have our region on it?
As my list of options addresses hardware (and the regionlocking of hardware) but does not address accounts (aside form cancelling them), option 2 does include the possibility of starting over with a JP-region SE and POL/FFXI account.

[oliveira]

I don't think option 2 is possible. Although you can access the server through the JP and NA game, they are different games? I think I remember hearing it isn't possible to log into the japanese version with a NA account... I mean isn't that the reason our service accounts have our region on it?

You're confused, sir. The PlayOnline service was designed to allow for that.

What was impossible was MANAGE accounts with mismatched region. Meaning you would be blocked from accessing the section of Service & Support on POL Viewer which required the user to login.

Since that is obsolete now, not even that limitation exists anymore. And management is done through a website. While I have the front page in English at the SE account management site, as soon as I fill in my login everything switches "automagically" to Japanese.

[Kirito_Wind]

You're confused, sir. The PlayOnline service was designed to allow for that.

What was impossible was MANAGE accounts with mismatched region. Meaning you would be blocked from accessing the section of Service & Support on POL Viewer which required the user to login.

Since that is obsolete now, not even that limitation exists anymore. And management is done through a website. While I have the front page in English at the SE account management site, as soon as I fill in my login everything switches "automagically" to Japanese.

So if I am able to get a hard drive and all the japanese games I'll be able to log in? So I also get to keep all of my items, linkshells and characters? The only thing different is that it is in Japanese?

[Bahamut]

It is pretty amazing any mmo would drop its first customer player base of the start of thier game. Its a sign of long term death. Even if its not even cost effective to make a ps2 NA version, fact is they droped a core player base. A bad sign for any game and its future.

[Demon6324236]

It is pretty amazing any mmo would drop its first customer player base of the start of thier game. Its a sign of long term death. Even if its not even cost effective to make a ps2 NA version, fact is they droped a core player base. A bad sign for any game and its future.Well it may not be a MMO but look at Monday Night Combat, it did something very similar and just as stupid, it started out on XBL Arcade and ended up going to Steam, then they stopped updating the Xbox almost completely and focused on the PC, and even made a new game for the PC that was not put on Xbox. In my opinion most of the time it shows life, I mean you can evolve your game, if WoW was built on the PS2 and was still as popular then they would have at some point cut it out and continued to upgrade past its limitations I'm sure. In SE's case its not even that they are doing that though, they are simply cutting their losses, which is good since they are losing a lot of money as of late it seems.

[Luvbunny]

They are not loosing money on this game, in fact - it is one of the few games they made that are making money. Enough to cover the cost of another series moniker that is being reborn again soon. I suspect all these "adjustments" are designed to provoke nerd rage and encourage people to do rash decision, and you know, perhaps try something new. Something something with the name of FF:AAR?

I heard it is shaping to be a quite good reborn again game. And the producer is really cool and totally in touch with what the player base wants and there is a great deal of transparency when it comes to communication and long term strategy. Tons of video showcasing what it could be. And the best news, it will be available on PS3!!! Possibly carried over to PS4 as well. Then there is SE world renown reputation when it comes to costumer service that you have to deal with.... :cool:

[Demon6324236]

They are not loosing money on this gameAs a whole, no, but if supporting PS2 players outside of JP would have lost them money because there were not enough players on PS2 outside of JP to begin with then it makes sense to cut them out and save money.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

there were not enough players on PS2 outside of JP to begin with then it makes sense to cut them out and save money.

Short term, perhaps. But in the long term this example can only serve to discourage the purchase of console versions of MMOs (/cough XIV) in the future.

[wildsprite]

Were it not for the fact FFXI runs well on Boot Camped Windows 8, I'd have had to abandon FFXI entirely as I don't trust the XBox360 structurally (see: Red Ring of Death) or any non-MacBook for various reasons. The half-measure S-E took toward PS2 was about as gutless as I've seen in a game company and left a lot of American PS2 players high and dry. There's no excuse for that, no matter the financial analysis.

no more gutless than what sony themselves did regarding the HDD addon for the US, which was practically abandoned by them from the start


QFT

They already told us, well in advance of the release, that it would not be available on the Playstation 2 system--so to see an entire post devoted to venting over something that was already clarified from the start is a waste of space IMHO.

Just sayin'.
your reason for singling out my post? my post said basically what you did but in different words