Am i going wrong, not leeching in abyssea?

[Vedabe]

Hello people, right now i am avoiding leeching in abyssea, but, i am finding leveling up way to slow and kind of boring. Also i see all the time, low lvl players telling me to go to abyssea so that is faster and i am gonna enjoy the game, in no time.

I started to play back in 2008, and i miss a lot partying with ppl.

So i just want to know if i am crazy, lvling the old way.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers

M1ky.

[DrDelicious]

nope. not crazy. the issue is, people dont want to take the time. anything below lvl 90 is considered a "time sink" and people want to just burn up to 90 without actually doing anything for the 89 prior levels. id love to see the midgame come back, and that can happen by jacking the min. lvl up for abyssea. but thats another thread.

i also miss the lvl capped stuff. like doing panty raids was always so much fun, because people would show up on different jobs. i just miss that kind of stuff.

[Khajit]

Not crazy but it's not going to go very quickly at all and it really is more fun once you're a decent level. There are abyssea shouts all the time if you're too lazy to make em yourself after you get high lv so you'd be able to party to your heart's content nonstop AND make gil from the cruor/dominion notes.
Plus if you really just want to kill stuff with random people you can ask to join some of the better( as in avoid the shouts asking for 18 people to kill a duo/trioable mob) shouts out there. I do admit that sometimes it is fun joining in on that 18 man nonsense just to see some of the truly awful players getting owned for hours by stuff you've killed within 3 minutes.

[Lilbitz]

I myself only have 2 75s, BST and THF, with many jobs above 50. So i myself am still living in the old days when 75 was cool, lol. I still like to party, do assualts, old school stuff ect. I dont think your crazy, i myself enjoy it, slow as that stuff my be somtimes im a social Taru and thats what i enjoy most, just being social.

[Lithera]

No you are not crazy, pending on the server you are on you can find low level parties here and there. Also doing it old school means you dont get laughed at not having your skills capped at a decent level. Or that you actually care enough about trying to learn the job you are currently leveling. That and I ran into people who said I could leach my lv 68 at the time Pup for 60k an hour. I only wanted to get it to 75, so that wasn't going to be too much if a leach. If you are a very new player then you have level caps to break starting at 50 with some not being as easy as others to complete. Some jobs are also gear heavy if you don't want to be thought as gimped. Like thf, Sam, drk, rng, nin ect. Another thing is do you want to take time doing your job's AF gear or get some relic? Maybe get enouh alliance notes for some of the Wotg gear. So, no you are not crazy to go old school. Just depends on what you as a player feel is right for you and the way you want to play. Myself I do my best to go old school partly due to not being lucky with being allowed to leach in abyssea or because I don't have a skill set leveled yet from another job.

[Gwynplaine]

Ok well what job are you leveling? What level is it now? How long is it taking you? How are you leveling now? Like in small parties or usually soloing?

If you can manage to team up with small parties here and there and make decent progress then good. If you can't and you're just scraping along soloing at 40~60 or higher then maybe not. Are you having fun? Is it worth your time? Only you can answer these things. Just don't feel like you have to suffer and waste your time just because people don't like "leeching".

[Registeel]

As mentioned, nothing wrong with classic style. I was brand new to FFXI in November, and leveled PLD all the way up to 73 with regular parties and solo play. I wouldn't trade the experiences for anything else. I gave in post 73 to get to 90 because I wanted to be able to help out my LS members with more stuff.

I still enjoy doing regular parties in less populated areas, especially duo's and trios. Those are a lot of fun with good pals. No argument that they aren't super-duper-alpha-omega efficient exp like abyssea, but it's decent gain.

On the flip side, there's no real "shame" in leeching unless you honestly refuse to take time to skill up/study your class. It's moreso a matter of personal choice and finding groups that have spot for literal leeching and parties that need key masters to open chests (which is also important in abyssea parties!).

[Imole]

In the old days level 1-75 was practice teaching you your job. However, the game really didnt start till you got to capped level and beyond hence the reason it was called endgame. That being said 90 is the new 75 and endgame is becoming different. I understand the desire notto be a leach but i wouldent turn down the oportunity if it arises otherwise you will never get any thing accomplished.

[Ritsuka]

The only dead level honestly is lvl 50-55ish your getting 2 high for older area's and not enough for TOA area. Other then that its not realy hard to level just make your own partys. You find out many of the anoying player's well leave and wont stick around but dont let that stop you keep going replace them. In the end you have a great time. I've been doing that sense 2004. Its better to lvl your job outside of aby so you know how to play. The thing you should never hear is high lvl sam asking you how to solo light skill chain /sigh

[Grandma]

Hello !! I've been playing for 2 years soon. My hubby has been a player from the pc release in the US. I still party the way the game was designed, teamwork and a balance of jobs. You LEARN your "job" and keep your skills up to par. I found that working with others in a party helps you to understand when to "sacrifice" control or when to "take" control to "share" emnity and keep members from getting KO. Not to mention interacting with skillchains. I play mostly for the social interaction (oh, and the hubby's, "can you come keep me alive?"). I hope you enjoy playing no matter what. Fun is fun. Anywhoo, we're on Queztzalcoatl if you ever want to come and visit (^_^)

[Olor]

yeah, you're not crazy. First of all if you are a new/returning player like me, chances are you don't really have the option of leeching cause you don't have cruor to buy keys and most folks if they are going to allow a leech, are going to want to give that spot to their friend or their other account.

Second of all, exp is actually really fast without leeching. I went from 42-51 playing on Friday night and Sunday afternoon/night, and did my first level break. That really isn't that slow. The key is getting a party together though. Soloing just gets demoralizing and it is half the speed of even the slowest party.

[viion]

yeh with Double EXP and insane skillups its quite easy to level outside if you can get the players. Its just....getting them and keeping them.

Leeching is not a choice for the new player.

[Kingofgeeks]

not crazy at all. i leeched nin and thf in abyssea and its just not the same really. now i gotta skill up everything, i have no clue what kind of gear is good, and i just honestly don't feel the kinda bond that i have with my WHM and BLM that i took months upon months to level from 1-75

[Belphantom]

Not crazy but it's not going to go very quickly at all and it really is more fun once you're a decent level. There are abyssea shouts all the time if you're too lazy to make em yourself after you get high lv so you'd be able to party to your heart's content nonstop AND make gil from the cruor/dominion notes.
Plus if you really just want to kill stuff with random people you can ask to join some of the better( as in avoid the shouts asking for 18 people to kill a duo/trioable mob) shouts out there. I do admit that sometimes it is fun joining in on that 18 man nonsense just to see some of the truly awful players getting owned for hours by stuff you've killed within 3 minutes.

I lol'd in remembrance of watching a ls die repeatedly vs Pallid Percy. While they were still raising each other I duo'd it me nin/war and a blm/brd

[viion]

not crazy at all. i leeched nin and thf in abyssea and its just not the same really. now i gotta skill up everything, i have no clue what kind of gear is good, and i just honestly don't feel the kinda bond that i have with my WHM and BLM that i took months upon months to level from 1-75

Skilling up is extremely easy, the rate and difficulty of it was adjusted.
Gear well im sure thats kinda obvious, most where all same thing so you can find gearsets online (clopediaz)
And the bond, yeh i get that, thats more of a personal issue we have :D

I am going to do my NIN myself but rdm or sam i might try and leech.

[Derfthegalka]

YO I HAVE MYSELFS A LVL 22 WUR AND I'D LUVES TO PARDEH IN THE DOONES LIKE IN DEM GOOD OLE DAYES BUT I CAN'T FINDS MYSELVES A PARDEH!! AND I AM DERFTHEGALKA DANGIT! O___________O

[Lamer]

I agree with OP and the people who say they should make abyssa only for high level players. This game is ruined for new people like me who want to -enjoy- and explore the real world outside of abyssa. I *want* to level slowly with the same people. I *want* to learn how to play the game that way.. but I can't. Everyone isn't even around to play with because they are over there *not* playing the real game.

I am going to avoid abyssa for as long as possible. I want to learn about the game the real way, just like everyone else got to. I applaud you, OP, for not going there. I am new too so I don't really know what I am talking about but it seems like there are two ways I can play this game:

- the real way
- the new way

I feel like I am forced to spend money on abyssa just to experience a social element in this game. I wish they would raise the level there so more people would be around to play and learn with. I dont even want to go there until I know what I am doing.. The reality is that I prolly will have to because my options are slim.

[Delvish]

A lot of people have posted some very valid comments about not partying in abyssea when you're early on. If it is your first time through (or first time with this character) then correct, abyssea is not for you. However, you still want to buy the expansion and then Get yourself in a situation where Joachim is stacking your stones. Then while you're leveling your normal jobs and getting them skilled up properly (emphasis on this because it's very important), Joachim is stacking stones and you'll have over a hundred by the time you're ready for abyssea and you're not on the short end always hoping for that next stone to come in.

[bungiefan]

Except that gil is hard to come by to get gear to level outside Abyssea, and player-sold gear for levels below 75 is rare on the AH. Getting cruor in Abyssea is the best way to get gil for players starting. 1000 cruor from a treasure chest in Abyssea can be converted to about 2200 gil by buying armor and selling it to NPCs outside Abyssea. Mobs also start dropping a lot of it after you've built up enough lights.

[Amanomurakumo]

But look at it this way also if you dont have weapon up to date on skills and dont have right atmas you can be lvl 90 and you are considered a leech in my book.

[Morgantisthedon]

Level how you want. Play how you want after all you play your game for you not others. Thats the motto :) The key is have fun basically :)

[Amanomurakumo]

I guess letting others do work for you is fun *.^

[viion]

Those complaining about not being able to level the old-school way I think are taking it a bit to far.

Yes its low but I've managed to do it, and maybe not the very old-school way of valk > qifum > jungle etcetc, because that has been destroyed with level sync not Abyssea.

No new player will be able to get into Abyssea without friends which would defeat the object of "new player", and so abyssea has no concern for you, once you've dragged out levelling the old way, you probably wont want to do it another 20 times.

[Lamer]

Those complaining about not being able to level the old-school way I think are taking it a bit to far.

Yes its low but I've managed to do it, and maybe not the very old-school way of valk > qifum > jungle etcetc, because that has been destroyed with level sync not Abyssea.

No new player will be able to get into Abyssea without friends which would defeat the object of "new player", and so abyssea has no concern for you, once you've dragged out levelling the old way, you probably wont want to do it another 20 times.

I am in the qufum stage. I enjoy meeting with the same group and bumping into people from the last time I played. It is a social experience and I really enjoy it. Given that it is such a small group of wandering fighters we have gotten to know one another because we fight together so much.

Just because people in my LS or my 'friends' play in Abyssea doesn't mean I am going to join them. It doesn't defeat the 'object' of 'new player' (what does that mean, anyway?) - it makes the qifum stage go away, and I don't like that. Those [people that I party with] are my friends because I play the most with them and we stay in touch and arrange to travel so far just to be in a party and have fun together. I don't understand abyssea and I like this way that I am playing now. I found a bunch of new players like me and we're having fun exploring the world. One of them joined a LS and has been going to abyssea and is now level 59. He is missing out because he will prolly never get to see the jungle now. :(

Do you understand what I mean? I don't want to miss out on the world because everything is focused on Abyssea now. Because I found other new players and we made a deal to explore the world I am not really threatened by Abyssea, but initially it is frustrating because the whole game pretty much goes there. I am just glad that I don't have to worry about *not* seeing any maps. When I am level 40 I am going to trade beastman seals to fight in a cool arena I hear about. That player I mentioned who joined LS and is in abyssea - guess what he's not going to experience? That is what I mean when I say abyssea should be for high levels. It robs new players of adventures and from being exposed to different parts of this game, and subsequently robs their friends of them as a contributing member to the fighting party.

[viion]

Lamer you misunderstood me, I'm talking about leeching as a new player. You wont be able to leech in abysses without friends as a new player.

[Lamer]

Lamer you misunderstood me, I'm talking about leeching as a new player. You wont be able to leech in abysses without friends as a new player.

Ahhh, okay. Those people who are new players and want to leech are just ruining it for themselves. People who help them leech should realize that they are doing them a disservice. I can understand though, now that I know more about this game, if someone wants to have a job leveled fast who has already played through the maps and done all the quests. It's different for me though: I Like it to be slow. This way I learn more about the game and can help people, just like an old player can, instead of not knowing about certain stuff because I skipped it and let someone leech me in abyssea. I also get to make friends along the way. :D

[Olor]

But look at it this way also if you dont have weapon up to date on skills and dont have right atmas you can be lvl 90 and you are considered a leech in my book.

How are you supposed to get atmas? You gotta start somewhere. I don't think it is fair to call someone a leech just cause they are starting out...

[Olor]

So, I am now 61 and exp is getting really slow. I'm worried about the next few levels.

[Haglaz]

I myself, being a veteran from PS2 NA release; do not like the Aby-leeching simply because (as everyone has been saying) it ruins not only the personal experience for the player (imo) but also for the entire community. i.e a power leveled player has no capped skils, no crafting, and no common knowlage base of the mathmatical mechanics associated with play.

Off topic, has anyone thought of making a poll for Aby level cap increase?

Back to topic: To the OP-> Have it your way....lol, getting to 90 in a couple days doesnt make you elite, knowing how and when to pop a 15min cooldown, does!!

[Zaknafein]

Kudo's to everyone in this thread leveling the way the game was originally intended. One of my most favorite activities in the game is to go out and solo some fov, or team up with a couple friends lvl 15-60ish. It's those times spent together, and parties back in the day that are the true fun of XI. End game is great in it's own way. Nothing can replace that fun relaxed low level xp party feeling however.

[katz]

If you are old school player then you will understand the skillchain kills and will quickly level up outside of abyssea. I was in a party of 41s this morning in crawlers nest (real old school cos no one goes there now lol). I was getting 480 exp per kill unlike the abyssea leech role who has to wait on domi or boxes or exp to climb before he has to leave to get skillups and kill mobs repetitively to be any use to anyone. I say old school still rocks to killing mobs for skillups only sucks

[viion]

I myself, being a veteran from PS2 NA release; do not like the Aby-leeching simply because (as everyone has been saying) it ruins not only the personal experience for the player (imo) but also for the entire community. i.e a power leveled player has no capped skils, no crafting, and no common knowlage base of the mathmatical mechanics associated with play.

So tell them to go on clopedia for a day to gain all the knowledge, spend a bit of time on these forums, then spend a week skilling up (as it goes at an extreme rate now). Crafting is not included....Even if you levelled to 90 the original way you wont have a craft out of it.

[Doombringer]

i respect you for wanting to lvl up in a pt where your personal performance actually matters and a little time needs to be spent.

that being said, i dunno if i'd wanna do it for 90 lvls. i miss sc's and mb's, i miss plds being tanks and blms being in the same pt as a warrior, on purpose. i remember the old 2005 setups fondly, and would do that again.. but just for a couple hours.. not to actually lvl.

from a practical pov... the difference is just to huge. it took me 2 years to get my first 75. i've seen people burn jobs from 30 to 90 over a weekend.. how do you compete with that? especially when, at this point, everyone you know is a lvl 90, and is focused on true endgame events. imo the game always REALLY "started" at 75, now it's 90... and you can get there way faster.

so i don't begrudge people that burn there jobs. the only reason i haven't done it is because i have no more jobs i want lvled. but there is still something to be said for a player who "paid there dues" and was willing to put forth the time and effort. it proves you "meant it" instead of just dabbling or bandwagoning.

[noirin]

when i came back to ff11 last month i told myself,i was going to level the same way i did 3 yrs ago when i played.i set goals for myself[get my kazham pass,get to this lvl etc] and worked on those.abyssea doesn't appeal to me that much.i may want to get to endgame like anyone else does,but i want to get there with the whole game experience once again.
it's only been a month or so and i'm back to lvl 64,so i'd say i'm doing a pretty good job

[Seveweyn]

I am a returning player (lvl 60 rdm) and like some people here, I have been trying to just level the way I used to. Mostly because I don't understand the first thing about abyssea. It is a little intimidating.

Unfortunately, I'm finding I end up solo skilling most nights because there is nobody around to party with. I'm about to bite the bullet and go find out what this abyssea thing is all about.

[Cybermario]

Kudo's to everyone in this thread leveling the way the game was originally intended. One of my most favorite activities in the game is to go out and solo some fov, or team up with a couple friends lvl 15-60ish. It's those times spent together, and parties back in the day that are the true fun of XI. End game is great in it's own way. Nothing can replace that fun relaxed low level xp party feeling however.
Amen for that!

[Karbuncle]

Level how you want, Screw what anyone else says. If you wanna exp in Abyssea, Blow your butt to 90, If you wanna exp the old way, More power too you. Its your choice, Not theirs. Its your money, Its your Time, And its your enjoyment. Play however the hell you want.

Play for your own Enjoyment, Not how others tell you too. If you're sitting there thinking to yourself "I really would like to exp quicker" Get your butt into an Abyssea Exp party. If you're thinking "Its fine how it is and I'm having fun" Continue on your current path.

Do whatever you want, Its your time, money, and fun!

[viion]

admittedly i don't want to filter through any of the pompous high-horse BS going on in this thread. Or any Anti-Abyssea Propaganda whining that i know this thread is littered with.

So That aside.

Level how you want, Screw what anyone else says. If you wanna exp in Abyssea, Blow your butt to 90, If you wanna exp the old way, More power too you. Its your choice, Not theirs. Its your money, Its your Time, And its your enjoyment. Play however the hell you want.

Play for your own Enjoyment, Not how others tell you too. If you're sitting there thinking to yourself "I really would like to exp quicker" Get your butt into an Abyssea Exp party. If you're thinking "Its fine how it is and I'm having fun" Continue on your current path.

Do whatever you want, Its your time, money, and fun.

You should read the thread and not judge, most comments are like yours :/

[Karbuncle]

You should read the thread and not judge, most comments are like yours :/

I will honest to god Admit that I'm shocked >.>.

also I'm not judging anyone specifically, I'm just used to every thread that even hints at abyssea is usually riddled with people yelling back and forth about how much they hate Abyssea or Hate old Exp :\

Just goes to show... Everyone is full of surprises ^^

[Flunklesnarkin]

Exp how you want... I do think taking the time to level up a first job outside of abyssea can be a good thing though

Maybe find a duo / trio partner(s) and go do random fov pages... exp should be fairly fast paced with the new exp changes..

You could also level up bst if you have trouble finding a few people to exp with.... bst can make some decent solo exp.. make it up to chain 5 easy.

It's why i leveled up bst when i first started the game.. most people won't take the time to help a noob out.. and they complain about your gear... as bst.. gear isn't as important while leveling.. the pets you charm do most of the work ^^

[Octaviane]

You pay for the game, so play it the way that suits you. There are still people out there who level at least through 75 the old school way, then go to Abyssea. The most important thing is to have fun and enjoy the game.

[Archeim]

Personally, i just started to play the game in January of this year after years in resisting. I'm pretty addicted at this point. Some of my IRL friends showed me the basics and what not and my current highest level character is my DRK which is Level 42. I'm an achievement junkie, i'll admit and i've been tempted to try to "leech" but i havent at this point. I have a lot more things to do before i attempt Abyssea. I'm trying to get all my jobs to 75... heck, i'm still trying to unlock all my jobs. (9 more i think?)

I really think it just comes down to your preference. I’ve been killed by too many mobs that look like fluffy bunnies, and lost too much exp. I’d like to be stronger, and I think that is more than just what level you are. I think I just want to be more rounded… and from what I hear, it’s a lot easier to level than it used to be. I leveled my thief from 1 to 15 over the past weekend, and got my artifact weapon for my DRK (which I can use at lv 43…)

There is a lot of content to see and places to go before Abyssea, (and lots of weapons/magic to skill up) so I think I can wait.

That being said… currently on Titan (soon to be phoenix) Bastok level 5.

Good journeys.

[Glamdring]

it's the old Frost poem, you're taking "the road less travelled" and you will find that it has its own satisfactions.

Abyssea is great if you just want to jump straight into end-game content. That being said, most of the quest and the like content was originally designed for getting to 75, not being 75 if you catch my meaning. A few years ago, they started concentrating on adding end-game content (at 75) because most long-term players had at least 1 75 job. They decided to raise the level cap because even new content wasn't holding the interest of the long-time 75 set of players and too many were quitting, as well as to breathe a bit of extra life into a game that is almost at the end of its viable life cycle. Considerring the commercial bomb that is FF14 they really need to keep 11 viable until they come up with an acceptable alternative to 14 that will give a commercial success.

Advantages to the old way:
1. you will be very familiar with your job.
2. you will be skilled already when you reach end-game, meaning that you will actually be of use.
3. You will have access to quested/mission earned gear, access to areas, OP warps and pre-reqs for content at end-game levels.
4. you should make friends with many other skilled veterans that prefer the older way of doing things, and thus have help on what is still on your "to-do" list.
5. you will be able to function outside Abyssea using the older party mechanics and the like that still apply there.
6. you will likely have developed some form of income in the game to function.

Advantages to the post-Aby leveling:
1. you don't have to wait.
2. you can go back to do the lower-level content, but with a level 90 (handy when you ask for help and the answer is "You can Solo It!")
3. You don't have to do the work yourself, just let others do it for you.
4. no need to study up on anything, even your own job.
5. you will have a level 90 job to goof around on doing lower level stuff during downtime.
6. if you are a noob, who can tell the difference with all the other level 90 noobs walking around?

ok, I have opinions...

[viion]

it's the old Frost poem, you're taking "the road less travelled" and you will find that it has its own satisfactions.

Abyssea is great if you just want to jump straight into end-game content. That being said, most of the quest and the like content was originally designed for getting to 75, not being 75 if you catch my meaning. A few years ago, they started concentrating on adding end-game content (at 75) because most long-term players had at least 1 75 job. They decided to raise the level cap because even new content wasn't holding the interest of the long-time 75 set of players and too many were quitting, as well as to breathe a bit of extra life into a game that is almost at the end of its viable life cycle. Considerring the commercial bomb that is FF14 they really need to keep 11 viable until they come up with an acceptable alternative to 14 that will give a commercial success.

Advantages to the old way:
1. you will be very familiar with your job.
2. you will be skilled already when you reach end-game, meaning that you will actually be of use.
3. You will have access to quested/mission earned gear, access to areas, OP warps and pre-reqs for content at end-game levels.
4. you should make friends with many other skilled veterans that prefer the older way of doing things, and thus have help on what is still on your "to-do" list.
5. you will be able to function outside Abyssea using the older party mechanics and the like that still apply there.
6. you will likely have developed some form of income in the game to function.

Advantages to the post-Aby leveling:
1. you don't have to wait.
2. you can go back to do the lower-level content, but with a level 90 (handy when you ask for help and the answer is "You can Solo It!")
3. You don't have to do the work yourself, just let others do it for you.
4. no need to study up on anything, even your own job.
5. you will have a level 90 job to goof around on doing lower level stuff during downtime.
6. if you are a noob, who can tell the difference with all the other level 90 noobs walking around?

ok, I have opinions...

I just want to point out some things people continue to forget

2. No you wont, you know when you level sync you dont get skill points beyond that level? And due to lack of parties you can be going straight back to valkurm dunes or qufim eve at 30+. even at 50 you end up back at lower levels so if you avoid Abyssea and Level sync, sure you'll be skilled, but you wont be near high enough for what your level is. I'm 32 and my skills have been stuck at 22 for some time. But also to add on this, Skill Points have increased in rate, they come by faster and larger now, you can get them from easier mobs, so even if you did abyssea or level sync, it'd take like a week to cap most of the basic skills. If you're never tanking you wont get evasion up or shield up or parry i think? so they'd always be low regardless of how you level.

3. I dont get this, how would you not have access to this just by leeching? You could spend an hr getting the "important" op's, you can go buy gear with the gil you've not wasted levelling, and go swim past all the missions solo since it'd be easier.

All the abyssea options seem fine. hah @ the noob thing, so true though, but there are even level 90's who levelled old way who are noobs. It doesnt take long to learn your job, you just go muck around skilling up, do some stuff solo or with friends, then just go on clopedia to learn stuff.

Even if you level the old way you still wont know
- how to defeat any bosses/nms/hnms etc
- how to do events; sky/sea w/e people do these days
- how to do abyssea which is the main thing right now

Levelling old way doesnt make you any better than leeching. Both ways you still need to do work

Start-----Leeched to 90--------------------------------------skilling up-------learn your job
Start----------------------------------levelled to 90-------finish skill ups------learn your job

Only thing that changes is when you get to 90.

[Chakoteh]

You pay for the game, so play it the way that suits you. There are still people out there who level at least through 75 the old school way, then go to Abyssea. The most important thing is to have fun and enjoy the game.

Best thing I've seen written in this thread :) Thank you /bow

[Glamdring]

I just want to point out some things people continue to forget

2. No you wont, you know when you level sync you dont get skill points beyond that level? And due to lack of parties you can be going straight back to valkurm dunes or qufim eve at 30+. even at 50 you end up back at lower levels so if you avoid Abyssea and Level sync, sure you'll be skilled, but you wont be near high enough for what your level is. I'm 32 and my skills have been stuck at 22 for some time. But also to add on this, Skill Points have increased in rate, they come by faster and larger now, you can get them from easier mobs, so even if you did abyssea or level sync, it'd take like a week to cap most of the basic skills. If you're never tanking you wont get evasion up or shield up or parry i think? so they'd always be low regardless of how you level.

There's old school and there's old school. the game has been around a long time. Level sync didn't start until 4-5 years after release iirc. I'm also not all that certain he'll find parties, he may have to solo the whole thing.


3. I dont get this, how would you not have access to this just by leeching? You could spend an hr getting the "important" op's, you can go buy gear with the gil you've not wasted levelling, and go swim past all the missions solo since it'd be easier.

Because ASA, MKT, ACP, Dynamis, Salvage, Nyzul, Limbus, Einherjar, Sky, Salvage, Campaign and the like can't be played in Abyssea?


All the abyssea options seem fine. hah @ the noob thing, so true though, but there are even level 90's who levelled old way who are noobs. It doesnt take long to learn your job, you just go muck around skilling up, do some stuff solo or with friends, then just go on clopedia to learn stuff.

Even if you level the old way you still wont know
- how to defeat any bosses/nms/hnms etc
- how to do events; sky/sea w/e people do these days
- how to do abyssea which is the main thing right now

Levelling old way doesnt make you any better than leeching. Both ways you still need to do work

Start-----Leeched to 90--------------------------------------skilling up-------learn your job
Start----------------------------------levelled to 90-------finish skill ups------learn your job

Only thing that changes is when you get to 90.

not true, good luck learning anything about party mechanics, riding hate thresholds and the like in Abyssea. Nobody actually cares. I've seen a bunch of veteran players turning back into noobs due to all the Atma induced stupidity out there.

I went to a skill-up party, they insisted on a monk tank (I was pulling on bst/nin) with 2 other DD (dark and sam) and a dancer as main healer (yeah, I also didn't build the party). condors in meri (s). Well, I brought back 3 because they wanted Aby-size and pace pulls and went back out looking for more. Short version, monk dead in about 75 seconds, other 2 Dd in about 30 seconds more, the dancer ran and zoned to fort karugo, and I had Sashra charge whisker the lot and tank until I also zoned. The monk got pissed and left, I took over the party and got a paladin and rdm, dancer became back-up heal, the party ran 4 hours with no deaths and I think we got about 51 skill all told.