Switching Systems Question

[Gunnerie]

I have a question, I think I know the awnser to, but I want to be 100% sure.

With the new expansion comming out I've unwillingly bought a 360 to be able to play it. I am getting a copy of the 360's 2006 collection (For free, to hold me over till release of the newer SoA collection disc.), and it does not have WotG. My account for my PS2 has all the add-on's/expansions. When I install and add my account I know I will have access to everything un-WotG wise, but my question is. Since I don't have an install disc for WotG, will I be able to still access it through the update? Or am I stuck with out it till I get the new SoA collecters disc?:confused:

(I can still play on PS2, just wanting to try and get ready/used to the xbox controles.)

[Mirage]

You can probably buy a gamepad for the 360 that has the same layout as the PS2/3's controller.

[Alhanelem]

I have a question, I think I know the awnser to, but I want to be 100% sure.

With the new expansion comming out I've unwillingly bought a 360 to be able to play it. I am getting a copy of the 360's 2006 collection (For free, to hold me over till release of the newer SoA collection disc.), and it does not have WotG. My account for my PS2 has all the add-on's/expansions. When I install and add my account I know I will have access to everything un-WotG wise, but my question is. Since I don't have an install disc for WotG, will I be able to still access it through the update? Or am I stuck with out it till I get the new SoA collecters disc?:confused:

(I can still play on PS2, just wanting to try and get ready/used to the xbox controles.)
Why would you buy an xbox when you clearly have a PC you could play it on?

Yes, you can hook your PC up to a TV and play on your couch, if you're going to tell me that's why.

Somewhat snarky comment aside, I'm not really sure what you're asking. If you don't have WOTG installed, you can't access WOTG areas or content, regardless of whether you have it on your account or not. You will not recieve the expansion data from patching. From the sound of it that should answer your question.

[Mirage]

Maybe he or she simply does not want to move his or her (possibly noisy and huge) computer to the living room. Or maybe they don't want to move their 50" TV into the computer room. Or maybe they don't have any more free HDMI inputs on their TV, and don't feel like messing with a HDMI switch. Or maybe something completely different.

[Gunnerie]

Wife plays with me, she plays on the PC. I'm not into spending $500+ for a pc/laptop when i can get the xbox for $125.

Ok I figured I wouldn't be able to, just wanted to be sure. Since I'm getting to SoA collection, I'll just hang to the side with the PS2 untill then.

Edit: All HDMI are full, Yes I prefer my 42" over a smaller screen. Both are in the same room. lol

Edit2: No I hate PC's/laptop/notbooks. I work on them, I know what's possable to happen to them. Viruses, hacks, Key loggers ect.. I prefer a safer way to game.

[Kaisha]

WoTG requires data files off a disc to play, it's not just downloaded through SEs update servers like the recent mini-addons from the past couple years.

It's stupid, and something they should address, but they won't.

[Alhanelem]

Edit2: No I hate PC's/laptop/notbooks. I work on them, I know what's possable to happen to them. Viruses, hacks, Key loggers ect.. I prefer a safer way to game. You can get key logged hacked etc anywhere. Even on the xbox (though it's harder). FFXI does not use xbox servers, therefore your traffic with the game is no more or less secured than it is for anyone on the PC. You're only kidding yourself if you think it's safer. Safe computing practices protect you from all the things you described better than the xbox or any server side security can. It's also kind of funny that you seem to place a higher value on the security of your gaming than of your work...

Also beware people playing on a PS3, as the hardware encryption keys for the system were supposedly leaked recently, making it much easier to hack on the PS3. The same thing could concieveably happen to the xbox, or any computing hardware you can imagine.

TL;DR: The safest way to game is to be smart, understand security threats and how to protect yourself from them, rather than relying on your machine to do it for you.


WoTG requires data files off a disc to play, it's not just downloaded through SEs update servers like the recent mini-addons from the past couple years.

It's stupid, and something they should address, but they won't. Do you really want to download entire expansions through SE's update servers? Do you realize how many gajillion hours that would take?

[Ashbel]

All you do is install everything and reactive all exp/add-ons through playonline when you log in. The CD is just to install the basic exp then it will update.

[Teraniku]

You can get key logged hacked etc anywhere. Even on the xbox (though it's harder). FFXI does not use xbox servers, therefore your traffic with the game is no more or less secured than it is for anyone on the PC. You're only kidding yourself if you think it's safer. Safe computing practices protect you from all the things you described better than the xbox or any server side security can. It's also kind of funny that you seem to place a higher value on the security of your gaming than of your work...

Also beware people playing on a PS3, as the hardware encryption keys for the system were supposedly leaked recently, making it much easier to hack on the PS3. The same thing could concieveably happen to the xbox, or any computing hardware you can imagine.

TL;DR: The safest way to game is to be smart, understand security threats and how to protect yourself from them, rather than relying on your machine to do it for you.

Do you really want to download entire expansions through SE's update servers? Do you realize how many gajillion hours that would take?

In a nutshell: keep your Operating System up to date, Keep your preferred Virus Scanner, Firewall, and Spyware protection with the latest updates and run Active scans at least once a week. Use a more secure Web Browser and while you can still be hacked, you make someone else an easier target.

[Arcon]

Wife plays with me, she plays on the PC. I'm not into spending $500+ for a pc/laptop when i can get the xbox for $125.

You can get a PC that runs FFXI for that. For $500 you could get a PC that runs pretty much every current game.


Do you really want to download entire expansions through SE's update servers? Do you realize how many gajillion hours that would take?

4~5, do it over night or at work or watch a few episodes of your favorite show.


In a nutshell: keep your Operating System up to date, Keep your preferred Virus Scanner, Firewall, and Spyware protection with the latest updates and run Active scans at least once a week. Use a more secure Web Browser and while you can still be hacked, you make someone else an easier target.

Or don't do any of it and use a token, you can't be hacked. And your operating system, virus scanner, firewall and spyware protection keep themselves up to date with very little user input (only the operating system may require a restart every now and then), and many of these things can be combined in one. You don't need to run any scans, that can also be done automatically, and are by default. What is a "more secure web browser"? And how else can you be hacked? You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. And how the hell do you make someone else an easier target?

[Teraniku]

You can get a PC that runs FFXI for that. For $500 you could get a PC that runs pretty much every current game.



4~5, do it over night or at work or watch a few episodes of your favorite show.



Or don't do any of it and use a token, you can't be hacked. And your operating system, virus scanner, firewall and spyware protection keep themselves up to date with very little user input (only the operating system may require a restart every now and then), and many of these things can be combined in one. You don't need to run any scans, that can also be done automatically, and are by default. What is a "more secure web browser"? And how else can you be hacked? You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. And how the hell do you make someone else an easier target?

A more secure web browser that can block flash and silverlight, and only load what you want it to, can block Scripts from running on your PC etc. (Which you can do with Firefox) and tell that to the WoW players who got their accounts hacked even though they used tokens....

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5149182968

But then again I have no clue what I'm talking about.

[Arcon]

A more secure web browser that can block flash and silverlight, and only load what you want it to, can block Scripts from running on your PC etc.

So you mean, like, every browser released in the last decade? Although none of that is necessary, there are things outside of your browser you can do to prevent that (customized HOSTS file), and that's only needed in the first place if you go to dubious websites or follow the links fake GMs send you in the game. And if you do that, nothing will protect you, not on a console or PC.


and tell that to the WoW players who got their accounts hacked even though they used tokens....

There are no such players.


But then again I have no clue what I'm talking about.

Precisely, so stop posting already.

[Mirage]

So what people are saying in this thread is:

People who are good with computers don't get hacked. So if you're not good with computers, you should definitely play on a PC because that will be safer.

Huh.

[Arcon]

So what people are saying in this thread is:

People who are good with computers don't get hacked. [..]

That's not at all what I'm saying. You really do not need to be good with computers at all. Most of the protection is done for you. When was the last time you manually upgraded your anti-virus program? Or your operating system? Or performed an anti-virus check? It all happens automatically now. There's hardly anything at all you have to do. When you install Windows 7 and start it for the first time it even prompts you to install an anti-virus program and offers you several choices. You do not need to browse the web to search for them or anything like that. It does the same for browsers. Most of them have some secure options enabled by default as well.

And all of that is still only needed if you're not careful about visiting random links suspicious people post, otherwise you wouldn't need any of that either.

Still not convinced? Use a token. That's as perfect as protection gets. The only way to get hacked using a token is to hijack a live running session, and a) that may happen outside of your local network, so it could happen on consoles as well, and b) I have never heard of that happening and I seriously doubt RMT use that because it's not something any script kiddie can achieve. And if they actually did hijack your session, they don't actually obtain your password, only a currently running session. That means they can't actually change your password, or prevent you from just logging in again (or a friend, if it was indeed a local attack and they're intercepting communications with SE's servers) and thereby logging them out automatically. So that is only effective if you're actually afk when it happens.

I set up a perfectly secure computer for my brother the other day, from zero (perfectly as in reasonably for any and all kinds of gaming and general internet transactions). Took about two hours, and all I did was click "next" and confirm updates suggested to me by the system. Not once did I have to turn on my brain to actually make a decision until it offered me a list of anti-virus software, and then I may have just selected one by random as well. You can go ahead and call that "good with computers", I'd rather call people who can't do that lazy (or functionally retarded, whichever you find less offending).

[Alhanelem]

So what people are saying in this thread is:

People who are good with computers don't get hacked. So if you're not good with computers, you should definitely play on a PC because that will be safer.

Huh.You don't have to be "good with computers" to protect yourself from threats. You mostly just need common sense, e.g. don't visit or download stuff from unknown websites without checking with other people you trust first, install an antimalware program and make sure it's working and up to date and you use it, don't share your accounts / passwords /etc with anyone, keep Windows up to date, keep firewall turned on, yada yada yada. Virtually all security comprimises are preventable. Oh, and use the security token. virtually any breach while using the token is going to be entirely your own fault; but Account restores on accounts with the token are exempt from the one-time restore policy.

[Mirage]

Common sense isn't as common as you'd think :p.

You don't need to tell me in either case. I play on PC and I am able to avoid threats easily. I'm just not expecting everyone else to be able to, that's all.