[suggestion] call auction house price history on trade

[Zohno]

hello,
i was thinking that would be nice to be able to call the auction house price history of an item by simply trading it (to the ah npc, just to avoid misunderstandings).

I hope to get a positive feedback from the devs :)

[Alhanelem]

hello,
i was thinking that would be nice to be able to call the auction house price history of an item by simply trading it.

I hope to get a positive feedback from the devs :)
To use the auction house, you have to be at the auction house. Just check it before conducting a trade if you need. You can always look it up online if your need is that dire. This is why sites like ffxiah exist. I mean, really. Is it that hard?

This is a case where doing your homework before taking an action is prudent. I'm sure people are going to come down on me like a pack of wolves for suggesting that we don't easybutton the game too much more than is necessary, though.

[Demon6324236]

I agree, it seems as though this would be a fairly pointless change, also, a problem with it is when you are looking at items which stack, would the stack or single prices be shown?

[Mirage]

Problem? Just list both, or list the history for 1 if you traded 1,and 12 if you traded 12.

[WolfMoonstrike]

Personally I would like to have a search option on the AH instead of having to guess which category an item is in if I have never seen it before, plus it would help cut down on checking prices time. Yes I am aware that ffxiah.com exists as well as a multitude of FFXI information sites (and I should considering that I use them everyday lol).

[Alhanelem]

Personally I would like to have a search option on the AH instead of having to guess which category an item is in if I have never seen it before, plus it would help cut down on checking prices time. Yes I am aware that ffxiah.com exists as well as a multitude of FFXI information sites (and I should considering that I use them everyday lol).
Aye, the one good thing about XIV's markets was that they added a textual search.

[Trumpy]

ffxiah.com is by no means official tho lol. So many times the item in question is not in the category you would think it is in, after playing WoW a bit recently and coming back to FFXI i certainly miss being able to type an item name in (or even shift clickin the item when the auction house was open and bringin up the results.) I am not sayin make this game WoW by the way, its just an example. It would be pretty cool to add this though i doubt we would ever see it. As for singles and stacks, trade a single get single price, trade a stack get stack price.

As for easy buttons, to me there is a difference in:
Hit easy button > get ochain lvl 99
and
Hit easy button > save 20 minutes scouring the AH cause there is no search feature (thats time i could have better spent sitting in my mog house doing nothing!) or any other actual time saving technique to every day life.

Not all Quality of Life additions are really Easy Buttons. For example all the teleports they have added to the game. It doesnt make me more of a man that i walked all the way to the sanctuary of Zitah, but i did save myself and possibly other people time by teleporting there thru various means.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

ffxiah.com is yet another depressing example of third-party resources outperforming paltry first-party offerings.

Something similar and/or better could be offered through playonline.com (much like playonline.com could have synthesis recipes like lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com has), but this would be from the same team that have left the Linkshell Community in beta since...

[Alhanelem]

ffxiah.com is by no means official tho lol.So what if it's official or not? It's just a website that has information about the game. It's not like that isn't allowed. The wikis and database sites out there technically aren't official either. Should we stop using those?

[Trumpy]

My point is askin for something official shouldnt be disallowed just because the player base is more creative and made it themselves. Now granted SE eventually made a windower mode though it isnt as nice as the third party offerings (though it is nice to not crash the game when you want to check a browser officially)

I wonder if the wiki never came along would SE had made such a resource, I know for a while they always said please consult a community site, even when dealing with customer service sometimes. Or did it become kind of a cop out for them, "Sweet you mean they did all the work puttin that info online and we dont have to ourselves!?"

Oh also in the case of PS2 owning people that dont have a PC somehow who cant check ffxiah like that. And believe me i started on PS2, got the 360 version when it came out and am now on the PC so i am not a PS2 4eva type, but these people are still out there.

[Umichi]

To use the auction house, you have to be at the auction house. Just check it before conducting a trade if you need. You can always look it up online if your need is that dire. This is why sites like ffxiah exist. I mean, really. Is it that hard?

This is a case where doing your homework before taking an action is prudent. I'm sure people are going to come down on me like a pack of wolves for suggesting that we don't easybutton the game too much more than is necessary, though.

Not everyone uses windowed mode or third party programs to play ffxi. looking through the ah when you have 4-5 items to sell is a pain, and logging off to find items and spending about 5-8 minutes doing so is also a pain....not reall a pain but an inconvienience i suppose.. i don't see why they can't do this, i mean they already have trial items linked to their trial number so you can trade to moogle to see trial info.. i don't see why they couldn't just tag ah items also... it's not like you are going to stop browsing AH itemsw just because your looking for the item you want to sell faster.

[Alhanelem]

Not everyone uses windowed mode or third party programs to play ffxi.I didn't say anything about using third party programs. Not using windowed mode is not an excuse not to have resources available. Use a cellphone or other device to access it if you have to. If you don't, then use windowed mode. No good reason not to be able to look up websites when you need.

Beyond that, I can't think of a case where you'd need to know this information but don't have an AH already close by anyway.

[Umichi]

and if you aren't making enough money to support a phone with internet or a device that i'd probably only use for ffxiah anyways? i never said you said anything about third party programs i was just stating in general for windowed mode.

why do i need to spend more money on this game just for a convienience?

[Rustic]

My point is askin for something official shouldnt be disallowed just because the player base is more creative and made it themselves. Now granted SE eventually made a windower mode though it isnt as nice as the third party offerings (though it is nice to not crash the game when you want to check a browser officially)

I wonder if the wiki never came along would SE had made such a resource, I know for a while they always said please consult a community site, even when dealing with customer service sometimes. Or did it become kind of a cop out for them, "Sweet you mean they did all the work puttin that info online and we dont have to ourselves!?"

Oh also in the case of PS2 owning people that dont have a PC somehow who cant check ffxiah like that. And believe me i started on PS2, got the 360 version when it came out and am now on the PC so i am not a PS2 4eva type, but these people are still out there.

The PC has always outstripped the console in useful third-party sites and such, and it makes it stupid easy to find AH items with sites like FFXIAH. And even the most friendly games have wiki sites, because there's always room for improvement or info that isn't readily available or detailed in-game.

Adding a read-for-trade option means a much larger server load as it'll have to dip into the AH database every time someone hands someone an item. I'd love to see an option to furnish our Mog House with an AH window, though..

[Trumpy]

yea i doubt they would ever make this but it would be nice for it or some kind of search function is what i am sayin. And again just because these sites exists doesnt mean they cant make some official means for this or that people cant ask for this kind of improvement Tahn. Sometimes i think you just like the word "No" lol. by no means an insult but you do have a habit of poppin up in threads with a "No." It makes me giggle inside and many times as I am scrolling thru a thread im expecting a post from you.

And yes I know the wiki thing is quite popular for games these days and I use them alot for various games. I didnt say we shouldn't use them. It was more of an example of how the player base created a humoungous source of data (albiet not always correct as it is written by random people or guesswork)

Also you are missing one of the points saying you are close to the AH so you can search the AH. One thing we mentioned is the items that unless you know where they are categorized you cant find them for 10 minutes cause they are grouped somewhere you wouldnt think to look (also affected by your lag as the AH loads each category then scroll thru it). Though i'm onto SE with their tricks of soemtimes putting craft items in the beastman made or misc category.

[Economizer]

So what if it's official or not? It's just a website that has information about the game. It's not like that isn't allowed. The wikis and database sites out there technically aren't official either. Should we stop using those?

But how does FFXIAH have that database? I can tell you the tools that enable FFXIAH to exist aren't exactly allowed by the ToS, unless they recently changed something.

I don't use third party tools myself, but I do use FFXIAH, which is facilitated by third party tools. As other players hint at, SE needs to stop ignoring this situation and work with the community. As a certain Pet Food Alpha interview had relevant people state, they're open and willing for whenever SE comes forward. Can't exactly stomp out cheats like movement speed hacks and botting without having a more open dialog with the community on this issue.

[Alhanelem]

But how does FFXIAH have that database? I can tell you the tools that enable FFXIAH to exist aren't exactly allowed by the ToS, unless they recently changed something.

I don't use third party tools myself, but I do use FFXIAH, which is facilitated by third party tools. As other players hint at, SE needs to stop ignoring this situation and work with the community. As a certain Pet Food Alpha interview had relevant people state, they're open and willing for whenever SE comes forward. Can't exactly stomp out cheats like movement speed hacks and botting without having a more open dialog with the community on this issue.
SE even had a video contest a few years ago that technically required us to violate the rules in order to enter it. SE knows these resource sites exist and allows them to exist. They'd be shooting themselves in the face if they went after them. Since these sites primarily only contain information to help people playing the game and not any undesirable activity, they allow them to exist. This includes FFXIH and multiple websites they endorse now and have in the past- these sites do not damage the game and thus are allowed to continue to operate.

It is obvious that they don't mind FFXIH and its database existing. Even if they did fight it, they would never be able to suppress the knowledge, nor would they want to. They know as well as you and I that suppressing any fan site would alienate their customers.

Should every other game publisher go after GameFAQs and/or the people who write the FAQs? You don't know how every one of them is obtaining their information- they could have hacked or cheated it- but having that information available is good for business- having people get stuck in your game and quit/sell it and post a bad review on the internet sure isn't.. It is in nobody's best interest to stop the flow of information.

[Dreamin]

No, just no. I rather the Dev to spend their time fixing stuff that are broken (i.e. ENM, RDM, SMN, etc). If you need to look up an item's history price, just use the existing function that is in the game if you dont want to use ffxiah.com.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

No, just no. I rather the Dev to spend their time fixing stuff that are broken (i.e. ENM

Look, there's plenty of old content that is broken/useless/etc. and has been for years (Eco-Warrior, anyone? Can't even cancel the damned thing to try elsewhere...). But unsurprisingly that is also content that nobody bothers with any more, so the issues affect only a precious few die-hards who insist on trying to do it anyway.

But this is talking about Auction House usability, something that affects all players every day, because there really is no alternative (or at least no viable alternative; guild shops also fall under the category of "broken and abandoned"). This isn't in the same category as ENMs, which were generally only attempted by the bleeding-edge type players even in its heyday.

If nothing else, making it easier to look up the going rates for something before trying to sell it saves individual players time, leaving them less reason to stand around in front of an AH and reducing server load and zone lag overall.

Fixing abandoned content is pretty much the same thing as adding new content, because it'll be new for 99% of the players.

[Ryce]

To use the auction house, you have to be at the auction house. Just check it before conducting a trade if you need. You can always look it up online if your need is that dire. This is why sites like ffxiah exist. I mean, really. Is it that hard?

This is a case where doing your homework before taking an action is prudent. I'm sure people are going to come down on me like a pack of wolves for suggesting that we don't easybutton the game too much more than is necessary, though.

I think his suggestion has been misunderstood. He doesn't want to see the AH history when trading an item to another player, he wants to be able to search the AH by trading an item (or stack of items) to the AH. This saves the effort of navigating to the appropriate AH list (if you even know where to look, in the case of some obscure materials), loading the full list, sorting/scrolling to the item, and clicking Price History.

I think it's a great suggestion. If SE wants to take on an intern this summer and have him/her tackle this project, I'll be happy to welcome the little convenience into my life. Interns can't fix your RDM.

[JackDaniels]

Aye, the one good thing about XIV's markets was that they added a textual search.

Never thought i'd see the words 'XIV' 'market' and 'good' in the same sentence.
http://i48.tinypic.com/25zl84z.jpg

[Alhanelem]

Never thought i'd see the words 'XIV' 'market' and 'good' in the same sentence.
http://i48.tinypic.com/25zl84z.jpg
once they added categories and searching it worked fine- Except for the fact that listing items for sale was still a PITA, the updated system was more or less an auction house, just with the option of going to the NPC to save a few hundred gil. The only reason the crowding was a problem at all was because they were stupid and gave us 2 retainers instead of just letting one sell twice as much stuff. It's only going to get better in the new version (e.g. truly merge all the cities instead of having them seperate but accessible from the same place which was silly)

The market system wasn't inherently bad, just badly implemented

[WolfMoonstrike]

Never thought i'd see the words 'XIV' 'market' and 'good' in the same sentence.
http://i48.tinypic.com/25zl84z.jpg

Lol I had forgotten how bad the wards were originally. Once they added the Text search things were more or less pretty good. Spent the majority of my time using it and made boatloads of gil (not as much as the earliest leve abusers but my character won't be going broke for a long time :P)

[Dreamin]

Look, there's plenty of old content that is broken/useless/etc. and has been for years (Eco-Warrior, anyone? Can't even cancel the damned thing to try elsewhere...). But unsurprisingly that is also content that nobody bothers with any more, so the issues affect only a precious few die-hards who insist on trying to do it anyway.

But this is talking about Auction House usability, something that affects all players every day, because there really is no alternative (or at least no viable alternative; guild shops also fall under the category of "broken and abandoned"). This isn't in the same category as ENMs, which were generally only attempted by the bleeding-edge type players even in its heyday.

If nothing else, making it easier to look up the going rates for something before trying to sell it saves individual players time, leaving them less reason to stand around in front of an AH and reducing server load and zone lag overall.

Fixing abandoned content is pretty much the same thing as adding new content, because it'll be new for 99% of the players.

So you telling me that going to AH, select item, select price history is HARD??? Or you just want to be lazy if you want to sell something?

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

So you telling me that going to AH, select item, select price history is HARD??? Or you just want to be lazy if you want to sell something?


Check your inventory to see what you want to try selling.
Click the counter/NPC
Select "Buy Item"
Guess at the right category.
Guess at the right sub-category
GOTO 5
Sort the list (if not already sorted)
Find the item in the sort (which isn't always logical)
Click the item to view the sales history.


Now, multiply the time, bandwidth, and processor cycles this consumes by the thousands of players accessing the AH at any given time.

Alternative proposed:

Trade item counter to view the sales history


The resources saved would benefit both players and S-E.

[Dreamin]

Check your inventory to see what you want to try selling.
Click the counter/NPC
Select "Buy Item"
Guess at the right category.
Guess at the right sub-category
GOTO 5
Sort the list (if not already sorted)
Find the item in the sort (which isn't always logical)
Click the item to view the sales history.



Now, multiply the time, bandwidth, and processor cycles this consumes by the thousands of players accessing the AH at any given time.

Alternative proposed:


Trade item counter to view the sales history



The resources saved would benefit both players and S-E.

1. Why you need to check your inventory to see what you want to try to sell? If you dont already know what you're selling then yeah, there's a problem with you.
4-5. Other than a few very odd items, most items are pretty straight forward to know what category-subcategory that they would be in already.
7. Unless you keep changing your sort order, once it's set, it's remembered already. For non-armor/weapons/ammo, chances are, you probably wanted them to be sorted alphabetically.

Yeah, all those clicks are very intense and time consuming. Let's make SE wasted more resources that they DO NOT HAVE on this so I can be lazy. While jobs like RDM, PLD and SMN (plus insert your job choices) are completely useless. Enmity is all out of whack. SMN's avatars that were promised 1+ year ago still haven't seen the light of day. Macros that isn't long enough to swap full set. PUP/BST's pets, etc, etc.

I don't get what's with all the 'SE, please make the easy mode even easier' and 'Give me more free stuff' posts that seems to be popping up on a daily basis. We need to tell SE to fix all the other existing problems that has been broken forever now.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

1. Why you need to check your inventory to see what you want to try to sell? If you dont already know what you're selling then yeah, there's a problem with you.

"Crud, my inventory is full again! What can I unload real quick that will grant me inventory +1?"


4-5. Other than a few very odd items, most items are pretty straight forward to know what category-subcategory that they would be in already.

"Is this thing supposed to be synthesis material or an Abyssea pop item? Does it qualify as 'Beastman-made?'"


7. Unless you keep changing your sort order, once it's set, it's remembered already.

"Well, there's the listing for arrows, but where are the quivers?"


Let's make SE wasted more resources that they DO NOT HAVE on this so I can be lazy.

It's like ten whopping lines of code. The bandwidth saved from the AH servers would pay for the man-hours used to implement this in like 5 minutes.


While jobs like RDM, PLD and SMN (plus insert your job choices) are completely useless.

"Everyone" agrees that they're useless, but nobody agrees how and why, let alone how to fix those problems. Those are the kinds of problems that will require meetings and proposals and PowerPoint and testing and development and more testing and implementation and player rage and emergency updates and and and...

Hell, nobody can even agree on the order of priority of the super-involved issues you're listing.

Even if S-E charted out a plan of action for <insert your favorite job here> now, you won't see it fully implemented before Seekers of Adoulin is released regardless. Meanwhile, this little interface tweak could probably still be squeezed into the upcoming "late January" update.


I don't get what's with all the 'SE, please make the easy mode even easier' and 'Give me more free stuff' posts that seems to be popping up on a daily basis.

Yes, the only thing standing between me and dual-wielding an Exalibur and a Burtgang is that danged Auction House! Durn you meddling kids!

[JackDaniels]

once they added categories and searching it worked fine- Except for the fact that listing items for sale was still a PITA, the updated system was more or less an auction house, just with the option of going to the NPC to save a few hundred gil. The only reason the crowding was a problem at all was because they were stupid and gave us 2 retainers instead of just letting one sell twice as much stuff. It's only going to get better in the new version (e.g. truly merge all the cities instead of having them seperate but accessible from the same place which was silly)

The market system wasn't inherently bad, just badly implemented

As someone who's made around .1B in the wards, I still feel there was still a lot to be desired. Between lag, having to zone, and losing my counter if I left it alone for more than 5 minutes after I sold my last item (if I could even find one that is), I found shouting for the more expensive stuff was more effective than actually putting things in the wards lol xD

But either way this is the wrong forum for that, too bad I'm banned for life from the xiv forums :'(

Apparently criticizing the japanese and spearheading a movement for regional servers is considered inciting hateful speech towards a specific group of people haha. They even went as far as to quote "..............................." a whole bunch of dots in the final e-mail they sent me before they perma banned me :(

EDIT:
In regards to the OP, I don't even use the AH to price check seeing as how it's much easier to just write down all the things i need to sell or am not sure if they are worth selling, go to ffxiah.com, check the prices, then click the wiki link to see if the items NPC for more than what it goes for on the AH. I only use the AH to check prices if I have like one thing to sell, if I know what category they are in.

[WolfMoonstrike]

EDIT:
In regards to the OP, I don't even use the AH to price check seeing as how it's much easier to just write down all the things i need to sell or am not sure if they are worth selling, go to ffxiah.com, check the prices, then click the wiki link to see if the items NPC for more than what it goes for on the AH. I only use the AH to check prices if I have like one thing to sell, if I know what category they are in.

I do this myself currently, but still does not negate the ease of use a text search or the trade item idea the OP has put forward (Especially for new players that may not be aware of these resources). Nor does it negate the fact that some people only have 360 or PS2 access. And why should the existence of a third party tool stop them from improving on FFXI functions? Better functionality should always be viewed as a positive.

Sometimes I wonder if we as a community like to make things more difficult on ourselves, just for the sake of difficulty.

[JackDaniels]

Sometimes I wonder if we as a community like to make things more difficult on ourselves, just for the sake of difficulty.

For anyone who's first MMO is FFXI, I believe it's a trait that SE has washed our brains with.

With that said, something like this isn't quite easy button but more so the lazy button. It sucks for ps2 and xbox players it sucks a lot but that's just one of the perks of pc gaming i suppose. I don't see gaming platforms going past the next generation to be honest.

I can see the rumored wii-u rip off controllers for ps4 running at about 150 dollars each.

For serious gamers, PC is the way to go.

Just look at these images, what skyrim looks like with 100 mods.
http://kotaku.com/5961994/what-skyrim-looks-like-when-youre-running-100-mods-at-once
Compare that to ps3 screenshots, and compare the price of a ps3 to a pc, it doesn't make much sense.

[Alhanelem]

I left it alone for more than 5 minutes after I sold my last item (if I could even find one that is)Most people avoided this by putting 1 item in their shop for 9999999999. You also had the option of using the stalls to avoid the "ward is full" message, which is what I did. There wouldn't have been crowding issues if all the market areas were combined and we just had 1 NPC with more space (The three zones combined really had plenty of space, it was just because everyone piled into one)

[WolfMoonstrike]

For anyone who's first MMO is FFXI, I believe it's a trait that SE has washed our brains with.

With that said, something like this isn't quite easy button but more so the lazy button. It sucks for ps2 and xbox players it sucks a lot but that's just one of the perks of pc gaming i suppose. I don't see gaming platforms going past the next generation to be honest.

I can see the rumored wii-u rip off controllers for ps4 running at about 150 dollars each.

For serious gamers, PC is the way to go.

Just look at these images, what skyrim looks like with 100 mods.
http://kotaku.com/5961994/what-skyrim-looks-like-when-youre-running-100-mods-at-once
Compare that to ps3 screenshots, and compare the price of a ps3 to a pc, it doesn't make much sense.

I disagree in general about PC being the platform of choice for serious gamers. Though I do agree that if you're serious about certain genres of games then PC is where its at, like FPS, Sandbox, Openworld, MMO's and most multi-platform games. But there are some genres that consoles get that are better gameplay wise and story wise than PC games.

Consoles get better JRPG's, Action games, and a few other genres that are inherently better on a console. So limiting yourself to only one platform (even one as open as PC) is not really the mark of a serious gamer, maybe a serious FPS or MMO player or even Sandbox player but not one of a serious Gamer.

A true gamer plays a game because they like games regardless of platform.

Of course consoles going past the next generation, well that is still TBD. I see it as going either way, considering Nvidia has just now entered the market. But I could definitely see home consoles going the way of the dinosaurs in favor of more portable consoles (but still be capable of hooking into a home TV or Monitor).

Edit: Oh and I meant mention, that difficulty for the sake of difficulty is definitely a trait of someone whose first MMO was FFXI. I find myself criticizing other games all the time because they fail at giving that feeling of accomplishment that FFXI does/did when you beat the hard stuff against all the odds.

[Okipuit]

Greetings!

Were are currently looking into methods such as the one Zohno has proposed to make it easier to check price history on the AH. As there are other adjustments and new plans in the works, the priority of this task is being considered with that in mind.

[Dreamin]

Greetings!

We're are currently looking into methods such as the one Zohno has proposed to make it easier to check price history on the AH. As there are other adjustments and new plans in the works, the priority of this task is being considered with that in mind.

Great!

May I ask, where are the SMN's 2 Avatars??? Situations where RDMs are usable? PLD? Zoning of BST's pets? Macros?

[Keyln]

Great!

May I ask, where are the SMN's 2 Avatars??? Situations where RDMs are usable? PLD? Zoning of BST's pets? Macros?

Wrong topic

[Zarchery]

You know what really bugs me? When you want to find the price history of something, like a stack of beeswax, and you know exactly where it is on the AH, but once you bring up that category you have to wait for EVERYTHING to load just to get your beeswax listing.

It also kinda baffles me that a change to the auction house is being criticized as some sort of pampering to players. Like there's some equivalence between skipping unnecessary data loading at an NPC and getting top shelf equipment overnight.

[Demon6324236]

It also kinda baffles me that a change to the auction house is being criticized as some sort of pampering to players. Like there's some equivalence between skipping unnecessary data loading at an NPC and getting top shelf equipment overnight.Its not that, its that it is yet another small utility update which is adding more time onto the other updates people want. There are many updates with Cait Sith Syndrome, Cait Sith himself, Storage being accessible everywhere, and many others, some of which were announced years ago, still they have not been implemented. This is why people complain, when something is suggested, or SE responds to a thread about something that they find trivial and unnecessary, they believe the updates and features they want to be added are being pushed back more and more. As time goes on SE has been adding more and more to that 'To Do List' and taking less and less of it off. In all honesty I think right now, SE has more plans to implement things than things they have implemented in the last 3~6 months combined, and adding more to it is only slowing others down even more because work gets taken off them and put to the newer ideas in some cases I'm sure.

Long story short, do not think this is simple player pampering that is being complained about, but rather, remember Cait Sith, and how long we have waited for him, with no sign of him anywhere in the near future.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Its not that, its that it is yet another small utility update which is adding more time onto the other updates people want.

After next week's, there will only be one more monthly update before we're hit with a whole new expansion pack, the release of which may very well address the problems y'all are griping about. It's not like FFXI players are getting ignored right now, but that entirely new content is being worked on right now, content that isn't just another endgame zerg/proc raid.

Take a deep breath, wait for the March release, and see where things go from there. Then you can be justified in complaining.

This time last year, FFXI was all but abandoned by the devs while S-E shoveled funds and man-hours into FFXIV 1.0 and ARR simultaneously. Today, XIV 1.0 is shut down, and we have a firm date on an expansion versus the shoulder shrug beta candidates for ARR are getting. We're the ones getting attention now, at least until the end of March, so there's little reason to not show a little patience.

[Demon6324236]

I highly doubt the Expansion will have anything to do with Cait Sith, who is involved in VW and WotG story-lines. I doubt the expansion will fix RDM into a really good job with its own unique power. Storage, maybe, enmity, maybe, changes to VW, or really any old content? Very unlikely as they are going to want people to focus on the expansion more than old content they patched up. So really, I think its stupid to think many complains we currently have are going to be instantly addressed come March.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

I highly doubt the Expansion will have anything to do with Cait Sith, who is involved in VW and WotG story-lines.

Odin and Alexander weren't made available until after the release of Wings of the Goddess, in spite of their importance to ToAU and Einherjar.


I doubt the expansion will fix RDM into a really good job with its own unique power.

They're introducing (what they describe as) a new support job, and you don't think they're working on enhancing and enfeebling mechanics? And if nothing else, you don't think S-E would want to adjust RDM if only to make sure GEO is better able to differentiate from it?

Hell, they've always continued to work on and tweak old jobs; half of these complaints are about those very post-release tweaks. I mean, Summoner was introduced with Rise of the Zilart, yet has gotten new spells from the two following expansions, and has more slated from the third (your only complaint is that it's not happening fast enough). My lowly Paladin, a ten-year-old core game job, got some nice, tasty Reprial in Al Zahbi. And this is before the level 40 /ja's were added to starter jobs like White Mage (and even your Red Mage), let alone the adjustments that were made after 76+/Abyssea.

So I still feel your gripes are either too early or too late (or some strange combination of the two). Come back in May, after Adoulin's release and the first shakedown update.

[Dreamin]

Odin and Alexander weren't made available until after the release of Wings of the Goddess, in spite of their importance to ToAU and Einherjar.



They're introducing (what they describe as) a new support job, and you don't think they're working on enhancing and enfeebling mechanics? And if nothing else, you don't think S-E would want to adjust RDM if only to make sure GEO is better able to differentiate from it?

Hell, they've always continued to work on and tweak old jobs; half of these complaints are about those very post-release tweaks. I mean, Summoner was introduced with Rise of the Zilart, yet has gotten new spells from the two following expansions, and has more slated from the third (your only complaint is that it's not happening fast enough). My lowly Paladin, a ten-year-old core game job, got some nice, tasty Reprial in Al Zahbi. And this is before the level 40 /ja's were added to starter jobs like White Mage (and even your Red Mage), let alone the adjustments that were made after 76+/Abyssea.

So I still feel your gripes are either too early or too late (or some strange combination of the two). Come back in May, after Adoulin's release and the first shakedown update.


You can't be serious if you think SMN has gotten anything really useful. The most important dmg that we still rely on right now are the ones from the level 72 BP. We have 2 promised Avatars that were ANNOUNCED almost 2 years ago and there's still nothing about them at all other than 1 youtube video of the damn cat walking around (which really doesn't take much since he's in WoTG's various Cut Scene already). Let's not even get into the whole 80 inventory limit that we're still having to deal with. Or that 1 set of storage are ONLY accessible from your own home nation. Or that the laughable 6 lines of macro lines which people has been complainting about since before ToAH. There are more and more things that just ain't working and is broken beyond reasons that SE SHOULD be fixing and NOT this, hey look, it takes me a good 1 min MORE to look up the price off the AH. I can understands if there's absolutely NO Mechanism in game to lookup price history but the price history has been available for a very long time now and is a very usable solution. Unless the many broken things that are not just a 30s to 1 min of inconvience issue.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Unless the many broken things that are not just a 30s to 1 min of inconvience issue.

You've never done UI work before, have you?

[Trumpy]

Mythic weapons i believe were also added after WoTG was realeased. And alot of things that i dont count as WoTG like meebles require it i believe cause of the zones like goyers' whatzitcalled that they take place in.

I also cant wait for cait sith or any number of things they say they are working on/looking at. but i can be patient. I do see you guys's point bout this is one more thing on the pile, but originally all the complaints to this thread were all "this make game easy i dont like" mentality (it isnt even makin it easy its making the game more efficient) that makes no sense. Im actually kind of glad the complaints have shifted to the "omg war be my cait sithhh!" cause that makes more sense for an arguement.

As much as i would like to see those big changes tho, i appreciate things that make my everyday gameplay more efficient just as much. And from Okipuit's post it sounds to me like they are sayin "hey this does sound like a good idea (we may have already been lookin at it) but it will be behind more pressing issues." So the devs are acknowledgin it will be on the back burner so please dont worry bout the other big things cause alot of those will be first. Again i repeat, it will be behind more pressing issues.

PS: Obviously this game will die wihtout Cait Sith. /sarcasm

[Merton9999]

originally all the complaints to this thread were all "this make game easy i dont like" mentality (it isnt even makin it easy its making the game more efficient) that makes no sense.

This is what has been bothering me reading the thread too. People need to develop a better vocabulary so they can differentiate asking for free mythics from asking for an archaic listing system to be modernized. There's nothing "lazy" about asking for a brainless button-mashing activity to be less time consuming.

I feel like if SE were to remove all stacking and make players buy ninja tools and silent oils one a time, a la potions in FF1, there would be people praising the change as SE developing our work ethic. Thank God no one here works on the UI for Amazon. They'd have me standing on my head and typing 8 million key strokes to buy a book so I felt challenged.

The OP is an excellent suggestion. Do I want this before Cait Sith? Of course not! Personally though, I'm fine with players making creative suggestions SE may not have thought of, then SE prioritizing them based on likes or their own internal discussion (more likely).

People shouldn't be hesitant to suggest something positive just because there is a list of more important things to do. It's sad that every single suggestion thread gets inundated with pages and pages of people repeating lists of unrelated hangups, that all differ by person: "Look a new suggestion thread! Another spot for me to complain about SMN and RDM again!"

[Zohno]

I'm sorry for replying late but I forgot that I made this post and remembered about it because I was putting something on ah :p

I know that there is something like ffxiah but that doesn't mean that you can't improve the usability of the ah inside the game. Sometimes when I'm looking for an exact content on a website, the navigation is so bad that I've to go on google and search for what i want adding "site:websitename.com" hoping that it will appear in the results. That is time that I would have saved if the website improved its navigability and they shouldn't ignore it just because google does the job.

What I proposed does just that, reduces the time needed to show up the price history of an item.
Someone raised worries about the increasing load on the server but I think this solution would, instead, reduce it.
Currently the price history doesn't appear until you request one or more pages of items that, most of the times, players decide to sort increasing the server load and the time required to show the whole list.
Probably the price history is called sending the item id to the server when you request it. My solution would give the id directly to the ah since it's "inside" what you are trading (to the ah npc, just to avoid misunderstandings) avoiding all the previous requests.

About stack prices, as Trumpy suggested, they could appear when trading a whole stack or a menu could be shown letting the player select singles or stack prices.

Thank you everyone for taking interest in this suggestion and to Oki for taking time to reply.