Summonable avatars - List which ones you want to see implemented

[Chronofantasy]

For all those Summoner lovers out there, which new avatars would you like SE to add to the game? The last summonable avatar we had that could stay out was Diabolos until the 2 hr additions of Odin and Alexander. Would you prefer more 2 hr-type avatars be added to the game or more roaming-type avatars be summoned with BPs and what not?

Post your avatar ideas/lists and hopefully SE will stumble upon these ideas and possibly implement them. :D

Personally I would love to see Phoenix added. I wouldn't care much if he was a 2 hr or summonable to stay out. 2 hr-type might make more sense for this one to do an AoE r2-3 for maybe an entire alliance even. Phoenix will also do some heavy fire-type dmg to the monster as well while raising people. AoE R3 may sound a bit too strong but R2 AoE sounds a little more reasonable with this.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

BAHAMUT!!!!!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

BAHAMUT!!!!!It's easy too, you make him like Odin/Alexander. Astral Flow, summon, Mega Flare, done.

[Alkalinehoe]

Fat Chocobo.

[Zyeriis]

Doesn't this belong in the summoner forum? Not complaining but still.

Bahamut
Anima
Atomos
Asura
Crusader
Hydra
Ixion
Kirin
Kjata
Lakshmi
Phoenix
Pandemona
Valefor
Yojimbo
Zodiac

The list goes on.

[Alhanelem]

Why would I list them? I want them all implemented. Of course, that's not going to happen for various reasons.

[Chronofantasy]

There's probably a lot of posts that should go in various sections but those sections generally go unnoticed. This is a suggestion for avatars but mods can move it if they feel they need to. I see a lot of topics that should generally be moved but remain because of their suggested nature.

Maybe SE should add an avatar of each element so we have two choices of each elemental avatar to summon.

[Zyeriis]

For all those Summoner lovers out there, which new avatars would you like SE to add to the game? The last summonable avatar we had that could stay out was Diabolos until the 2 hr additions of Odin and Alexander. Would you prefer more 2 hr-type avatars be added to the game or more roaming-type avatars be summoned with BPs and what not?

Post your avatar ideas/lists and hopefully SE will stumble upon these ideas and possibly implement them. :D

Personally I would love to see Phoenix added. I wouldn't care much if he was a 2 hr or summonable to stay out. 2 hr-type might make more sense for this one to do an AoE r2-3 for maybe an entire alliance even. Phoenix will also do some heavy fire-type dmg to the monster as well while raising people. AoE R3 may sound a bit too strong but R2 AoE sounds a little more reasonable with this.

I once argued that Phoenix should become a summonable great katana weapon for Summoner and to give them great katana skill but no actual great katanas to equip to give them some melee potential. Since Phoenix is Tenzen's great katana...

[Zyeriis]

There's probably a lot of posts that should go in various sections but those sections generally go unnoticed. This is a suggestion for avatars but mods can move it if they feel they need to. I see a lot of topics that should generally be moved but remain because of their suggested nature.

Maybe SE should add an avatar of each element so we have two choices of each elemental avatar to summon.

Called out on technicality: There's already 2 of each element. See: Spirits.

[Alderin]

Bahamut.

Or Doom Train? That guy was badarse.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Of course, that's not going to happen for various reasons.He means the "you know what" limitations.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Or Doom Train? That guy was badarse.Was that in anything other then FFVIII?

[Chronofantasy]

True, they don't have controlled BPs though, but since they do exist, then SE should add us a 3rd of each and a 2nd of controlled BP ones.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Pheonix would require some sort of far east expansion, since in COP they already stated he's [Over There.].

[Zyeriis]

Pheonix would require some sort of far east expansion, since in COP they already stated he's [Over There.].
You just listed another thing I want. Good job.

[Vangoh]

Hades all the way man, that mofo looks evil as hell but I bet ppl are tired of dark based avatars.

[TearValerin]

Yay another +1 for the obvious, BAHAMUT.

[Amanie]

siren
cactuar
tonberry king =p

[Tsukino_Kaji]

sirenNo we summon other servers to us. Like Diabolos.

[Chronofantasy]

How about: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Brothers

I completely forgot about this one, but it's funny. ^^

[Alderin]

Was that in anything other then FFVIII?

Nope, it wasn't. It was simply one of those random avatars that they never repeat because I mean, who summons an evil thomas the tank engine to steam roll mobs?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Nope, it wasn't. It was simply one of those random avatars that they never repeat because I mean, who summons an evil thomas the tank engine to steam roll mobs?I think I used him for my devour set up.

[Ryak]

I would like to see these added since they already exist within FFXI
Bahamut
Pheonix
Cerberus
Atomos

[Zyeriis]

I would like to see these added since they already exist within FFXI
Bahamut
Pheonix
Cerberus
Atomos
As do Kirin and Ixion.

[Flunklesnarkin]

A cactuar god avatar or tonberry god avatar...

or maybe pirate chickens >:U

[Mordanthos]

Doesn't this belong in the summoner forum? Not complaining but still.

Bahamut
Anima
Atomos
Asura
Crusader
Hydra
Ixion
Kirin
Kjata
Lakshmi
Phoenix
Pandemona
Valefor
Yojimbo
Zodiac

The list goes on.

Well Summons are a delicate issue. With this list, only one that seems rather viable is Kjata, that would be unique, because that summon holds, earth, lightning, and fire, and....i dont really remember fully, but i think ice as well, it can be a multi elemental summon. The problem with Atamos is simply the fact that the Cavernous Maws are Atamos. Yojimbo might also work, since just about all summons are elemental, Yojimbo on the other hand is a physical attacker, and can very well be a physical summon only.

We cant really double up on elements here, so summons like Ixion cant exist because we have Ramuh. With leviathan we dont need Hydra. Bahamut and Valefor are both non elemental dmg, so they both couldn't exist. Get where im coming from?

For my request? I think we need a summon that focuses on enfeebling magic very well, and the only one that comes to mind is Hades, and Doomtrain wouldnt really quite fit in, so it would have to be Hades from FF7.

As a super uber summon, Knights of the Round is just the best summon to exist in any FF game. Edin wont work, Ark was an airship so that wont work, The Holy elemental from FFIX, i totally forget the name, would be an option, umm, starts with an M i think, Med...bah, i dun remember guys, i r fail.

PS. I think the summons name is Medeen or something, idk, correct me if im wrong, it was the last summon/Eidolon that Eiko got.

[Linh]

I'd like Knights of the Round please.

And while we're at it, can I have a golden flying chocobo too?

[Mordanthos]

Can we just forget about FF MMO, and petition for them to make a Dragon Warrior MMO, would be the ultimate game ever!!! Pwning Slimes at lvl 1 would bring back so many awesome memories. Get me some Falcon Slash and Giga Slash!!! LOL Dragon Warrior 8 greatest game ever!!! (The Dragon Warrior Franchise actually stopped being Dragon Warrior after the 4th installment on the NES, After that it was Dragon Quest, and more so, it was ALWAYS Dragon Quest in Japan, and Dragon Warrior in USA. However the games have now been ported to america as Dragon Quest since Dragon Quest 7 came to playstation. I just still call them Dragon Warrior cuz i like it better.) :D


On second thought, Dragon Quest 7 was probably the best Dragon Quest game, and second place would be Dragon Quest 8.

[Chronofantasy]

I'd like Knights of the Round please.

And while we're at it, can I have a golden flying chocobo too?

W-summon or I think there was that quad materia (it's been a while) to summon them 2 or 4 times and then the mimic materia - 9,999 dmg many times across the bored = fun times.

If we can breed a gold chocobo in the game to fly us anywhere in Vana'diel I would love SE forever.

[Francisco]

Was that in anything other then FFVIII?

I think Doomtrain from FFVIII was based on the Phantom Train boss from FFVI.


How about: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Brothers

I completely forgot about this one, but it's funny. ^^

"Brothers" is an ENM in Bearclaw Pinnacle. Two taurus mobs... one big, one small.

[Coldbrand]

Cuchulain
Adrammelech
Doom Train
Hades
Knights of the Round
Quezalcoatl
Maduin
Phoenix
Ixion

[Zyeriis]

Well Summons are a delicate issue. With this list, only one that seems rather viable is Kjata, that would be unique, because that summon holds, earth, lightning, and fire, and....i dont really remember fully, but i think ice as well, it can be a multi elemental summon. The problem with Atamos is simply the fact that the Cavernous Maws are Atamos. Yojimbo might also work, since just about all summons are elemental, Yojimbo on the other hand is a physical attacker, and can very well be a physical summon only.

We cant really double up on elements here, so summons like Ixion cant exist because we have Ramuh. With leviathan we dont need Hydra. Bahamut and Valefor are both non elemental dmg, so they both couldn't exist. Get where im coming from?

For my request? I think we need a summon that focuses on enfeebling magic very well, and the only one that comes to mind is Hades, and Doomtrain wouldnt really quite fit in, so it would have to be Hades from FF7.

As a super uber summon, Knights of the Round is just the best summon to exist in any FF game. Edin wont work, Ark was an airship so that wont work, The Holy elemental from FFIX, i totally forget the name, would be an option, umm, starts with an M i think, Med...bah, i dun remember guys, i r fail.

PS. I think the summons name is Medeen or something, idk, correct me if im wrong, it was the last summon/Eidolon that Eiko got.

Wasn't really a personal listing, was more of a general one.
Atomos can be "summoned" by cait sith during that one WotG mission, so it is perfectly viable, hell, it's already in the game.

The double elements thing is partially true. While all the summons have both defensive and offensive abilities, the alternative element based summon could possibly lean to an opposing extreme, like Garuda being the best damager summon, the opposing air based summon would lean towards something else. I don't particularly care about this point though. On a similar note: Can't go with Hades because of Diabolos and Odin under this restriction, they are already breaking this rule to begin with.

When I said Crusader I was refering to Knights of the Round, I didn't say Knights of the Round because it's a relic weapon skill just like I didn't say Ragnarok because it's a relic weapon.

[lowkey]

The Delta Sisters, but there's no way that could be done. They are usually bosses instead of summons though, so maybe we'll at least get to fight them someday.

[vungster]

The Delta Sisters, but there's no way that could be done. They are usually bosses instead of summons though, so maybe we'll at least get to fight them someday.

According to wiki, the Delta Sisters of FFXI is the Mithra Hunters from CoP

[Valaris]

id like to see siren or hades put into the game

[Cupofnoodles]

Since we have two dark elementals summon I would like to see a second light summon and Cait Sith would seem to fit the bill.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Since we have two dark elementals summon I would like to see a second light summon and Cait Sith would seem to fit the bill.Wasn't Alexander light? And Odin adds a third dark.

[Cupofnoodles]

Wasn't Alexander light? And Odin adds a third dark.

But those are 2-hour summons, ppl want real summons

[Avidon]

Eden please. Also on an unrelated note, please give the K Club the ability to unlock a new weapon skill "Lion Heart." K thanks. :D

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Eden please. Also on an unrelated note, please give the K Club the ability to unlock a new weapon skill "Lion Heart." K thanks. :DAnd switch all KC to EX without telling anyone when it's going to happen.

[Cupofnoodles]

and do when ppl are selling their KCs!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

and do when ppl are selling their KCs!Adding it to a bazaar or trade window would trigger the transition.

[RhysTheExiled]

What would happen with magus sisters?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

What would happen with magus sisters?They'll join in on the fun.

[Cupofnoodles]

What would happen with magus sisters?

the Magus sisters are the Sin Hunters in COP

[Alkalinehoe]

Y NO 1 WANTS FAT CHOCCOBO????1!11

[Mordanthos]

Y NO 1 WANTS FAT CHOCCOBO????1!11

Well wtf is it going to do dude. It cant move, cuz its too fat, i mean, throw chicken legs at stuff? Thats a pretty obvious problem to sum it up if u ask me.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Well wtf is it going to do dude. It cant move, cuz its too fat, i mean, throw chicken legs at stuff? Thats a pretty obvious problem to sum it up if u ask me.In FFIV, didn't it just fall onto the enemies?

[Mordanthos]

In FFIV, didn't it just fall onto the enemies?


I am only familiar with the Fat Chocobo in FF7, which actually was the Choco/Mog Summon, and like, was just random to do a Fat Chocobo and yes, in FF7 all it did was fall from the sky, and squish stuff with its butt.

[Neofire]

For all those Summoner lovers out there, which new avatars would you like SE to add to the game? The last summonable avatar we had that could stay out was Diabolos until the 2 hr additions of Odin and Alexander. Would you prefer more 2 hr-type avatars be added to the game or more roaming-type avatars be summoned with BPs and what not?

Post your avatar ideas/lists and hopefully SE will stumble upon these ideas and possibly implement them. :D

Personally I would love to see Phoenix added. I wouldn't care much if he was a 2 hr or summonable to stay out. 2 hr-type might make more sense for this one to do an AoE r2-3 for maybe an entire alliance even. Phoenix will also do some heavy fire-type dmg to the monster as well while raising people. AoE R3 may sound a bit too strong but R2 AoE sounds a little more reasonable with this. "Looks at sig" GD someone has been putting in over time in Abyssea lol

[vyhakeyo]

Lets be reasonable here. Lots of people all ready complain about how pet jobs pet's mess up their running....So could you imagine something like Bahamut trailing behind you? Thats HUGE! Let alone the MP cost would have to be huge as well! Diabolos cost 15 MP a tick...Bahamut would probably cost 30 MP a tick..And it's moves would eat a lot more MP then the other avatars. Even with Atmas it would be ok to use it, but out side of Abyssea I can for see problems. I doubt the gods of FF will make it where it would be out all the time anyways. Kinda sad though....Bahamut is in Apoc Nigh as the final boss, Dark Ixion in the past, a light ixion (Indrik) in Abyssea Ulegurand Range, and even Pandemonium in the completion for ZNMs. So how about something out side the box and we dont have. LOL How about Absolute Virtue?

[Mordanthos]

Lets be reasonable here. Lots of people all ready complain about how pet jobs pet's mess up their running....So could you imagine something like Bahamut trailing behind you? Thats HUGE! Let alone the MP cost would have to be huge as well! Diabolos cost 15 MP a tick...Bahamut would probably cost 30 MP a tick..And it's moves would eat a lot more MP then the other avatars. Even with Atmas it would be ok to use it, but out side of Abyssea I can for see problems. I doubt the gods of FF will make it where it would be out all the time anyways. Kinda sad though....Bahamut is in Apoc Nigh as the final boss, Dark Ixion in the past, a light ixion (Indrik) in Abyssea Ulegurand Range, and even Pandemonium in the completion for ZNMs. So how about something out side the box and we dont have. LOL How about Absolute Virtue?

HMM THIS GUYS RIGHT!!! how bout something outside the box. Like Boogerman, or Handiman (from In Living Color) how about just summoning Sephiroth and be done with it.

[vyhakeyo]

HMM THIS GUYS RIGHT!!! how bout something outside the box. Like Boogerman, or Handiman (from In Living Color) how about just summoning Sephiroth and be done with it.

LOL If Handiman would give me more room in my MH, I would be all for it. LOL My thinking was actually this. Most of the avatars you have to fight inside the ruby crystal and Carby dictates it all....Until recently. Diablos you can only get if you do CoP, and Oden and Alexander if you complete ToAU...Which in a way it's not the same as if getting Garuda or Shiva. All the other NM like Kirin can not be summoned. So I was thinking breathing new life in old areas. On Ifrit, Sea is dead....Sky is dead....No one does Dyna....It's all Abyssea. I mean Faf can be up for days until someone decides to kill it. Plus AV is a pain in the rump to kill, and so is Pandemonium, even at 90. So I was thinking mroe about breathing new life in old areas to get people interested in those areas again....though it would be for a very short time.

[Byrth]

Obviously Doomtrain.

Doomtrain and Tonberry King.

[Joslyn]

HMM THIS GUYS RIGHT!!! how bout something outside the box. Like Boogerman, or Handiman (from In Living Color) how about just summoning Sephiroth and be done with it.

I think Siren would make a good addition to smn, Make it the enfeeble summon like some people want,give it abilities to evoke silent, bind, paralyze, and amnesia, Like how nightmare is for diabolos, also give it Ward that buff resistance to those types of enfeeblements, as for BP to do damage make it a non-elemental type with a chance to lower a certain resistance to a enfeeblement. As for a 2hr, I don't know what would be a good one.

[Teraniku]

BAHAMUT!!!!!

only way this would work would make him a 2-Hour only and only be able to use him outdoors.

[Rambus]

Bahamut but I am sure there is something about ps2 limtations or something, I think SE they would not do it because its too big.

that was long ago ( i can't remember if SE or players said that though) before alex and odin came out.

[Anon]

SE said sometime ago that they wanted Bahamut to remain a God and he would never be a summon. Although I agree it would be the best choice!
Yojimbo would be awesome as well.

[Rambus]

SE said sometime ago that they wanted Bahamut to remain a God and he would never be a summon. Although I agree it would be the best choice!
Yojimbo would be awesome as well.


that is what a summoners are though............ they summon gods -.-

where do you think most of the names come from?

[Anon]

They summon Celestial Avatars. Not Gods.

EDIT: Either way it's about perception. I don't want us to argue in a thread about summons! What about Valefor? Or is Garuda ff11's version of Valefor?

[Gaspee]

The great terrestrial avatar, Tom Tit Tat. <3

[Rambus]

The great terrestrial avatar, Tom Tit Tat. <3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uysNWG3gaE

that is my terrestrial avatar.

though i am not sure if we are using the word in the same sense.

[Gaspee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uysNWG3gaE

that is my terrestrial avatar.

though i am not sure if we are using the word in the same sense.

Mine doesn't blast rocks and cause devastation... it's just cute xD

[Zyeriis]

They summon Celestial Avatars. Not Gods.

EDIT: Either way it's about perception. I don't want us to argue in a thread about summons! What about Valefor? Or is Garuda ff11's version of Valefor?

No? Valefor does non elemental damage. Garuda does air damage....?

[CrystalWeapon]

I'd like to see any Non-elemental damage Non-2h only avatar, or a stronger light based one than carbuncle.

[Chronofantasy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uysNWG3gaE

that is my terrestrial avatar.

though i am not sure if we are using the word in the same sense.

I posted this same video/summon back on page 2 lol. This would make a funny summon though.


How about: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Brothers

I completely forgot about this one, but it's funny. ^^

[Avidon]

I don't know if someone said this one, I kinda just glanced through BUT~!
They can make a XI original Moogle Avatar.

[Penance]

Up to FF11 almost (if not all) summoners had Bahamut, there were even 3 versions in FF7. Though its true that the one from the COP storyline is huge, it can be resized and im all for that (<3 Bahamut)

Anyways my list, starting with most important ones to me:

Bahamut
Phoenix
Anima (just badass)
Ixion
Maideen (In moogle form? :D)
Mist Dragon (Don't we all love Rydia)
Lakshmi/Seraph
Bismarck
Quezacaotl
Hades
Chocobo (Even if its just to summon one and be able to ride it)


I might have missed a few but lets just say i would like most that are in previous games


I didnt use Atomos much in FF9 but it would be nice to have it implemented.

[Jhanaka]

Hi Folks!

Nice discussion, but I am afraid we are going to have to move this thread from General to the Summoner area. Keep up the nice ideas!

Thank you!

[Cellsplitter]

http://www.ffcompilation.co.uk/ffviii_images/doomtrain5.jpg

Choo choo of dewm~

[Rambus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uysNWG3gaE

that is my terrestrial avatar.

though i am not sure if we are using the word in the same sense.

I posted this same video/summon back on page 2 lol. This would make a funny summon though.


How about: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Brothers

I completely forgot about this one, but it's funny. ^^


I was not in the thread back then sorry.

here is my favorates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0navf4blQy0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHS3ZH0OShU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pJmaBv-1zk&feature=related


Up to FF11 almost (if not all) summoners had Bahamut, there were even 3 versions in FF7.

here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhmO9NOFHfo
I like that one too

someone said this ealier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyKK4gLIyVU&feature=related

I think eden is the only one that confuses me what is really going on ><

[Cupofnoodles]

you know what they could let us summon a corse and call it Hades, Done

[Rambus]

Never herd of this game but after poking around you tube I found the summon I want:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8VwaEv3z1M

now people wont go lolsmn or call us useless.

want damage? here is your damage, and im taking the world with me.

[Gaspee]

Did someone say my name?

/wave ^^ lol

[Cabalabob]

how about some ff12 summons? not many of those have even made apperances in 11 zodiark, mateus, zeromus, zalera, belias

[Ordoric]

id be nice ot sea tier 2 avatars like another light based posably seraph i mean there are a lot more dark based but something to round out smn a bit more

[Moonbaq]

I Have A Couple! For Roaming Not That 2 Hr Bull (It Doesnt Give Excitement As Roaming Summons Do Imo)

Midgardsormr
Cursader
Eden
Pheonix
Hecatoncheir
Brynhildr

These Are Only Some I Had In Mind ^_^ But Not For 2 Hour

[Raka]

Agreed, Bahamut as an Astral Flow Specific Avatar. Uses Mega Flare with maybe an Additional effect: Terrorize for xx amount of time. I feel Ixion could have been a Free Roam Avatar also while on the subject. Hell, Jumbo Cactuar would make an excellent Astral Flow Specific Avatar even. Of course there will be resistance still to the Astral Flow they use. But that's my opinion atleast.

[Bejiita]

Bahamut is a terrestial avatar, just like Diabolos and Carbuncle. He's just bigger. Besides, summoners don't summon the avatar in all their glory, just a shade of them. So the argument against Bahamut falls flat on both fronts. I'd like to see more of the other elements in play: Kujata for earth, Siren for water, Phoenix for light, Typhon for wind, Quetzalcoatl for thunder, Ymir for ice. I'm not big on possible summons that are merely just big physical entities, avatars have a huge mystical element attached to them, just having a giant cactuar seems out of place. On the Tonberry aspect, you could have Uggalepih instead, although she'd be dark based most likely.

[Korpg]

Crusader

Wipe everything off the face of the earth.

[finalcure]

I like the moogle for a avatar lol and it could allow access to mh or something for everyone in pt so when you need to change jobs and not lose all your lights

[Korpg]

I like the moogle for a avatar lol and it could allow access to mh or something for everyone in pt so when you need to change jobs and not lose all your lights

What happens if nobody shows up to an Abyssea party as a SMN?

[jeffanddane]

You guys are listing summons that are impossible to summon in a FFXI setting. (Sorry for being a troll just being realistic XD.)

[HasiTheTaru]

Eden from FF8

[Sonshou]

Summon a party member to your side? Wait, a party member is not an avatar.....

Oh wait, in boarder sense, all player characters are avatar of the player......

[MrButter]

Because a Light-based avatar would be so handy:
-Madeen

Because we'll never get anything that isn't already inthe data files though:
-Cait Sith.

And why not? she's an avatar. And think how much fun she could be. She could be like the Corsair of avatars with random gambley effects.

And she would be the best thing in the world to idle with.

[Yokoh]

Many suggestions I have read, are impossible, or have already been implemented into the game. Pheonix is a definite no (appearance in storyline), Atmos is a no (hes the maw entrances), Cait Sith is main character in story line.

I do however like the sound of summonable FAT CHOCOBO! :D... a 2hour summon, cast it off, and all you see is a shadow.. then BOOM!!! Dmg: x2 Smn MP, additional effect: Bind/terror. x) would be funny thats all.. and to obtain it you could do a quest through chocobo raising! :D (via story book or something)

[Strife]

Phoenix!!
Some type of dragon avatar I doubt we'll get bahamut but maybe we can get one of his smaller cousins :p
Moomba- Because it's way cuter than carby!
Quetzicotyl
Seraph – If Phoenix is a 2hr only summon a better healing/light summon would be good.

While I would like to see some of my favourite summons like Phoenix & a Bahamut-like avatar return one of the things I always looked forward to most when a new FF came out was seeing what new summons they'd come up with. So not past FF summons but other mythological figures that might make interesting avatars could be:

Thoth - Ibis headed Egyptian God of wisdom, magic & healing. Might have some healing spells & heavy magic attacks. Egyptian mythology is extremely rich & I think has been over looked in FF so far (Please correct me if I'm wrong).

Medusa - Beautiful Greek woman turned snake haired monster by Hera's jealousy. Her gaze turned men to stone. Could have petrify & other abilities. Or even better
Gorgons- There were 3 sisters of which Medusa was one, each could have their own abilities similar to the Magus Sisters. I doubt we'll get a summon with more than 1 avatar though they could make it random or based on specific conditions as to which sister appeared when you cast the summon but that might be to much work idk.

Kali- Hindu Goddess of destruction. Major physical BPs

Apollo- Greek God of the sun, healing & the arts also an expert archer. Could have some light based attacks, cures & ranged physical attacks.

Hecate- Greek Lunar Goddess with many aspects. It might be interesting to make her effected by moon phase like Fenrir but to a larger extream. For example during a waxing moon she could spawn as her maiden aspect with an emphasis on light abilities & buffing, during a full moon she could spawn in her mother aspect & have strong magic damage abilities & cures, while during a waning moon she could spawn in her crone aspect with an emphasis on dark based abilities & enfeebling effects.

Cernunnos or Pan- Celtic & Greek Gods of the forests & wild things. Could have a terror attack as well as abilities to heal/ strengthen other pets. This type of avatar would be amazing for SMN or pet burns.

Just the first few that came to mind. Would be cool to see some new FFXI exclusive avatars.


Many suggestions I have read, are impossible, or have already been implemented into the game. Pheonix is a definite no (appearance in storyline), Atmos is a no (hes the maw entrances), Cait Sith is main character in story line.

Carbuncle, Fenrir, Alexander & Odin (am I forgetting any?) are all main characters in story lines yet are summonable. SE are clever people they could create an opportunity in a storyline to summon anything & if they can't think of anything clever they can do it anyway without a sensible storyline explanation that's been done plenty to lol.

EDIT: Diabolos is also a story line NPC that is summonable.

[Yokoh]

;) fair enough. But pheonix is definitely out of the picture, because of what happened during the story that's all.. (i dont want to explain fully coz it would be huge game spoiler for those that havnt got far in mission lines)

[Septimus]

Thoth - Ibis headed Egyptian God of wisdom, magic & healing. Might have some healing spells & heavy magic attacks. Egyptian mythology is extremely rich & I think has been over looked in FF so far (Please correct me if I'm wrong).

Actually Batallia Downs and the Eldieme Necropolis shows that they know a fair bit about Egyptian Mythology. The birds, "Ba", live in Batallia Downs and is a reference to the soul of the dead. The shadows, "Ka", are in the Eldieme Necropolis is a reference to the animating force of the body. In the ancient Egyptian Myths, the two are separated at death. It is a fairly esoteric and sly demonstration of a depth of knowledge. The only problem is that there are Bas in Batallia Downs [S], but no Kas in the Eldieme Necropolis [S].


;) fair enough. But pheonix is definitely out of the picture, because of what happened during the story that's all.. (i dont want to explain fully coz it would be huge game spoiler for those that havnt got far in mission lines)

If I had access to spoiler tags, I could explain how they could easily allow Phoenix to be a summon despite of his status in the story line. But it has to do with Bennu (who is considered the prototype for the Phoenix mythology) and his special status in Egyptian Mythology. In fact, I have often wondered if that is why things turned out they way they did for Phoenix considering the depth of knowledge they demonstrated in the example that I posed above.

[Klyde]

they should give us eden/zodiark as a 2 hour smn and then give us promathia and altana as reg. summons :o

[Selzak]

I'd like to see something that doesn't require Astral Flow.

Why not include Avatars with long recast times or other limitations instead? Change the utilization up a bit.

Bahamut, 5 min. recast.
Bahamut has powerful BP's, but does not melee. Flare attacks could be heavily based on range (it will never engage, and the SMN can use this along with some skill to adjust Bahamut's range to the optimal distance).
AF would let you use Mega Flare.

Phoenix, 15 min. recast.
Relatively weak, mostly used as a safety net or a placeholder (like a rebirth) for next summon. You can summon Phoenix while another avatar is out, but once summoned the other avatar will disappear- you would not have two avatars at a time. Phoenix would have no BP's and weak melee, but instinctively casts Raise (scaling with level) on anyone within the player's alliance (within a large radius).
Phoenix has an inherent trait that allows it to remain active for 20 seconds after the SMN is defeated. Within that time (if it is not defeated), Phoenix may cast Raise on the SMN (within a large radius).
AF could grant a "Rebirth" AoE effect on party (not alliance) that does not leave the targets weakened- Phoenix disintegrates, leaving a single feather that falls to the ground and revives the party. AF effect ends after one use.

[Strife]

I was talking more about overlooked in terms of summons. There are summons from Sumerian, Islamic, Medieval Christian, Greek, Celtic, Norse, Hindu, Aztec and other mythologies but as far as I can recall not ancient Egyptian which surprises me since there's so much fodder, they had Gods up the wazoo!


If I had access to spoiler tags, I could explain how they could easily allow Phoenix to be a summon despite of his status in the story line. But it has to do with Bennu (who is considered the prototype for the Phoenix mythology) and his special status in Egyptian Mythology. In fact, I have often wondered if that is why things turned out they way they did for Phoenix considering the depth of knowledge they demonstrated in the example that I posed above.

It would be funny to have Bennu as a summon that sometimes comes instead of Phoenix & rains bananas down on the enemy.

CoP SPOILERS follow in white text, highlight it to read it.

I doubt it for one I just read back over ALL the CoP script that referenced Phoenix & yes Phoenix died early on but it was still alive enough to resurrect Selh' teus & unless there's a CS with no dialogue that shows Phoenix & Selh' teus merging (it's been a long time since I did CoP so I don't remember) like a lot of people seem to think I can't find anything in the dialogue that says that. Here is the only text I found regarding Phoenix & Selh' teus from “A Fate Decided”

Prishe: Phoenix...
Phoenix was with you, right?
She brought you back to life.

Just because Phoenix the bird of resurrection brought him back to life doesn't mean they merged & Prishe says “was” with him as in past tense not is within him. I know at this point Sel starts sporting some pretty rockin wings but that’s a typical motif for FF. A character undergoes some big transformation (like dying & being resurrected) & comes out with a pair of wings denoting its status as being in a more powerful form. Anyway I don't think it matters what happens in one story line it's not hard to come up with a work around & Phoenix being an avatar of rebirth makes it that much easier. People often cite CoP as a reason Phoenix is “gone forever & can never come back” but I don't see it.

[Septimus]

I was talking more about overlooked in terms of summons. There are summons from Sumerian, Islamic, Medieval Christian, Greek, Celtic, Norse, Hindu, Aztec and other mythologies but as far as I can recall not ancient Egyptian which surprises me since there's so much fodder, they had Gods up the wazoo!



It would be funny to have Bennu as a summon that sometimes comes instead of Phoenix & rains bananas down on the enemy.

CoP SPOILERS follow in white text, highlight it to read it.

I doubt it for one I just read back over ALL the CoP script that referenced Phoenix & yes Phoenix died early on but it was still alive enough to resurrect Selh' teus & unless there's a CS with no dialogue that shows Phoenix & Selh' teus merging (it's been a long time since I did CoP so I don't remember) like a lot of people seem to think I can't find anything in the dialogue that says that. Here is the only text I found regarding Phoenix & Selh' teus from “A Fate Decided”

Prishe: Phoenix...
Phoenix was with you, right?
She brought you back to life.

Just because Phoenix the bird of resurrection brought him back to life doesn't mean they merged & Prishe says “was” with him as in past tense not is within him. I know at this point Sel starts sporting some pretty rockin wings but that’s a typical motif for FF. A character undergoes some big transformation (like dying & being resurrected) & comes out with a pair of wings denoting its status as being in a more powerful form. Anyway I don't think it matters what happens in one story line it's not hard to come up with a work around & Phoenix being an avatar of rebirth makes it that much easier. People often cite CoP as a reason Phoenix is “gone forever & can never come back” but I don't see it.

It would be interesting for Square to throw some summoning love to the Egyptian Mythology, but they obviously do know a fair amount about it if they can throw in something as little-known as the Ba and Ka thing.

Anyway, I guess I could do the white text thing for a highlight to cover spoilers.

Bennu is the Ba (soul) of Amun-Ra. (Or Ra-Atum or the many other name combinations. Also, sometimes Horus, but I think that was in New Kingdom mythology.) Anyway, after Tenzen unleashed the Phoenix flame onto Bahamut, Selh'teus absorbed Phoenix to keep Phoenix from returning to the Mother Crystals. That is why Selh'teus later showed up with wings and a fancy an avatar glow. (Avatar glows were actually added in that update for this purpose I believe. Oh, and this is also why Promathia upgraded to Shiryu after he ate Selh'teus in Abyssea.) Anyway, the whole thing with Selh'teus and Phoenix is very comparable to Amun-Ra and Bennu to the point that I believe that it was completely intentional. I believe that we could get the whisper from a fight with Selh'teus, and that will allow you to summon Phoenix's true form from him. (Whisper of Rebirth? Whisper of Ascension? Whisper of Imperishably? Although that last one might only be reserved for "Ford-tough shields of forever and ever"...)

At least this is how I see the whole situation through a casual knowledge of Egyptian Mythology.

And the Banana thing is kind of funny. Although I would imagine that casting "Stop" on all enemies in addition to light-based damage would be more appropriate if Bennu showed up instead of Phoenix. Which could be an interesting mechanic.

[Strife]

CoP spoilers below in white highlight to read.

Do you remember when in the CoP story line Selh'teus absorbed Phoenix? When I read over the mission dialogue for the fight with Bahamut where Phoenix is released it basically just says "Ru roe Bahamat's about to use megaflare everyone bend over & kiss you ass goodbye!". Then "Holy rarab balls we're alive! Phoenix must've released all her power & shielded us from Bahamut's attack. QQ now she's gone."

The only other reference I saw regarding Phoenix's whereabouts/ status after that was the quote in my earlier post after Selh'teus came back Prishe saying Phoenix was with him & revived him. Like I said though it's a long time since I did CoP so if there's a suggestive CS with no dialogue I've probably forgotten about it.

[Septimus]

More spoilers abound!

After Tenzen released Phoenix from his sword to stop everyone from being killed by Bahamut, the next scene was Selh'teus by the Al'Taieu Mothercrystal where he was speaking to Phoenix's disembodied form, the "shower o' feathers" and opens up the emptiness for Phoenix. (His exact words were "Let me release you for your journey to the mothercrystal...") When Selh'teus shows up in the cutscene for A Fate Decided he now flies, sports an avatar glow (which was added specifically in that patch), big-honking wings, and a very familiar "shower o' feathers" every time he appeared and disappeared. (Which looked like he was summoned and de-summoned.) You might be thinking "But Selh'teus said that he was sending Phoenix to the mothercystal", but the effect that Selh'teus used was the same effect that Promathia used when he absorbed Nag'molada. In the When Angels Fall cutscene, Nag'molada is ranting mad to (a dead) Yve'noile and says something along the lines of "Why am imperfect when the betrayer (Selh'teus) has ascended."

So, while not stated explicitly, we are left to infer that Selh'teus absorbed Phoenix, and we have a situation very similar Atum-Ra and Bennu.

[Soundwave]

I'd like to see something that doesn't require Astral Flow.

Why not include Avatars with long recast times or other limitations instead? Change the utilization up a bit.

Bahamut, 5 min. recast.
Bahamut has powerful BP's, but does not melee. Flare attacks could be heavily based on range (it will never engage, and the SMN can use this along with some skill to adjust Bahamut's range to the optimal distance).
AF would let you use Mega Flare.

Phoenix, 15 min. recast.
Relatively weak, mostly used as a safety net or a placeholder (like a rebirth) for next summon. You can summon Phoenix while another avatar is out, but once summoned the other avatar will disappear- you would not have two avatars at a time. Phoenix would have no BP's and weak melee, but instinctively casts Raise (scaling with level) on anyone within the player's alliance (within a large radius).
Phoenix has an inherent trait that allows it to remain active for 20 seconds after the SMN is defeated. Within that time (if it is not defeated), Phoenix may cast Raise on the SMN (within a large radius).
AF could grant a "Rebirth" AoE effect on party (not alliance) that does not leave the targets weakened- Phoenix disintegrates, leaving a single feather that falls to the ground and revives the party. AF effect ends after one use.

I really like this, I'd like to see Bahamut get his hands a bit more dirty instead of two avatars not being able to melee.

I'd rather see Phoenix sit back and cast stuff at range.

Also I think most summoners want to be a bit more involved in whats going on instead of turning back and sitting and letting the avatar do its own actions, would be rather boring.

[Gouka]

I think Selzak has made one of the only viable suggestions in this thread. It's hard to make a serious comment here; half of the people are just saying "Wouldn't it be cool if...?" and the other half are really bucking for new avatars from other games, etc. Like someone else said, I hate to troll but - GUYS - there will not be any new, controllable avatars. There just isn't space for them to animate something new with all of its BPs. Selzak's suggestion has two advantages: it's a novel mechanic and it's actually realistic. Anything we get will be what's already in the game, and more than likely will follow in the same vein as Odin and Alexander.

There's really no reason NOT to get Bahamut. His importance to a storyline is no moreso than our new 2hr toys. All of his abilities and animations are in place. If SE wants to maintain his status as being above the other avatars, just make him another 2hr. He can be scaled to be no more obnoxious than Diabolos (which is a dumb complaint, but there it is). And why not be able to summon a cavernous maw? Just because they're fixtures in the world doesn't mean we can't make another one appear (see also: elementals and avatar-clone Abyssea NMs). Maybe Atomos could be used to teleport party members to different cities, past and present. Why not? It would just be another teleporter NPC, and a player-contributed transport option like that is years overdue in this game.

Yeah, a lot of you have had a lot of really interesting big ideas... But in the spirit of posting constructive things on the official FFXI forums that I actually would want SE to consider seriously, I'm giving Selzak a thumbs-up. If they ever drop PS2 support, then we can start aiming high with new ideas.

[Dohati]

i just want phoenix. when they made WotG, i was extremely hopeful that phoenix would not be dead yet in the past, and we could gain her as a summon. unfortunately i only think we'll get atomos if anything. was kind of hopeful for slyph too though. i always liked whispering wind (the slyph version, not the garuda version). at first, the addition of pixies had me thinking we might get her, but it's probably not gonna happen. would be neat though. could have 3 pixies, each with their own separate HP pool. even if they were only 1/3 as much HP as a normal avatar, that would make 1-shotting them impossible without a strong AoE. might be nice for kiting/soloing strong mobs.

[Tasuki]

Phoenix ^^ and its 2 hour will be a raise-ga ^^

[Divinechild]

People who argue against Phoenix because of CoP Story only need look at Abyssea Story Line to see how wrong they are, They made an alternate reality where Promathia Absorbed Selh'teus and the Phoenix. It's a game... Storylines can be changed, expanded or added to. The Phoenix could be added if they really wanted to.

[Radio]

Gimme the ones that are in the game already but aren't summonable (this should make it easy on the programmers).

[Soundwave]

Gimme the ones that are in the game already but aren't summonable (this should make it easy on the programmers).

Considering Odin/Alexander where in the game for a long time....then took them forever to actually give them to us....image how long it would take if they gave us a brand new avatar...10 years maybe?

[Alhanelem]

Atomos is a reasonably possible candidate.

[Retsujo]

I just want to see Chocobo.

and maybe Phoenix.

[Raka]

I'd like to see Ixion as a new Avatar, but honestly doubt there will be any new additions as far as Avatars go.

The only thing Square Enix will add if they decide to add another Avatar would be Darkness based and/or another Light based Avatar.

Ixion would be simple to add still though as it's not too big, and the abilities/graphics are already designed.

[Gotterdammerung]

I want Pedo-Bear as a summon.

[Zyeriis]

I want Pedo-Bear as a summon.
You sir, have my full support, would you like some free candy? I've got some in my windowless van.

[Panthera]

I miss Phoenix. If the COP story line is a problem, they should just write a quest that explains how Phoenix is able to be a Summon.

Really, I'd like to see a real pet we can summon at any time, not some gimmicky trick we can pull of once every two hours.

[Concerned4FFxi]

I'd like to see phoenix, and please SE, i want a story attached and a quest too and not some silly magian trail i want a full blown quest to go with to include returning npcs and certain cop level requirements. That said, this new avatar's ability would be similiar to odin/alex in where it uses the smn's 2hr ability, can only be used by smn 75+, and gives all party memebers full mp (except the smn of course), not hp because that would be unfair to whm's 2hr, and gives everyone rr3 effect just like if they casted the whm spell on themselves. thx for reading.

[Xanaduu]

might have been mentioned b4 but had an idea that phoenix could be like alex and odin but instead of being a 2HR deal just make it a say... 5 min recast/high mp cost and it would just come out long enough to cast Full raisega/curega and then release itself (thinkin in terms of FFTA version) atleast it would be semi useful, make smn a lil more wanted ect.

[Teraniku]

Pheonix is a definite no (appearance in storyline),


Well yeah but Phoenix is only Mostly Dead. Gee I wonder what that chasm at the top of Parradamo Tor is called? oh right The Cradle of Rebirth. Gather all of Phoenix's remnants, Throw them in the Cradle of rebirth, fight him to prove worthy, and you have yourself a new avatar that deals with fire and resurrection magic.

[Namnams]

I would love to see Siren put in as a summon. I was always really fond of this avatar.

[Xanaduu]

so..... i found out my prior comment wasnt liked very well >.> a tiny smn started arguing w/ me ingame... and made some rather funny comments to me... so fair warning! watch what u post! cause if pple hate it they may find u ingame! D: pple can get so childish over a game i swear...

PS, dont worry DC im just pissed atm^^

[Divinechild]

how come this thread don't have one crowns yet

[Soundwave]

how come this thread don't have one crowns yet

They don't reply to job threads. They just secretly read them and toss they away like low business job application when somebody fills one out.:rolleyes:

[Malacite]

There's a bunch of avatars I'd love to see, but Bahamut & Phoenix would be just fine since they are the last two remaining that have been introduced to us in-game yet remain inaccessible as summons.

I suspect they'd both once again be Astral-Flow only summons like Odin & Alexander due to their power (or in Phoenix's case, her much weakened status).

But would Rebirth Flame be too strong? Keeping in line with past FF titles, it would be an AoE fire attack (making Ifrit nearly pointless) that also heals the party and fully revives everyone in range without weakness (since like Alex & Odin, it'd be a 1-shot deal). That seems rather hard to do mechanically though since you have to take into account the distance of the targets etc.


As for Bahamut, the only thing I ask is they change Gigaflare back from Fire to non-elemental and ignore magic defense entirely like it has in the past games. Summoner doesn't need just another big 1-shot attack unless it's extremely damaging and can't be resisted, which has typically been the point of calling Bahamut in previous games.

[Divinechild]

They don't reply to job threads. They just secretly read them and toss they away like low business job application when somebody fills one out.:rolleyes:

The "Change your wyvern color!" Thread in the dragoon section has a gold crown and so does the " Corsair’s Phantom Roll Ability" in the cor section

[Soundwave]

The "Change your wyvern color!" Thread in the dragoon section has a gold crown and so does the " Corsair’s Phantom Roll Ability" in the cor section

You got me *ahhhhh*

Ya I forgot about those only two...haha:cool:

but come on now....just those two? A little help SE?

Well if that's the case then I'm gonna make a tread asking for avatar emotes. I'm sure its been asked before.