Dislike Button for MOD and Dev Posts Only

[Tsukino_Kaji]

So I'll jump on the dislike button bandwagon. Giving us a dislike button for all post is a terrible idea and will lead to nothing but immature greifing.
On the other hand, a dislike button for only MOD and Dev posts would allow people to better show their stance on a topic without cluttering up the thread itself.

[hiko]

could work but dev would have to split some post into several (one for each different fix in the post) and make blank post for the jobs that don't get any info because some people will dislike any post that doesn't include their favorite job

[Sarick]

So I'll jump on the dislike button bandwagon. Giving us a dislike button for all post is a terrible idea and will lead to nothing but immature greifing.
On the other hand, a dislike button for only MOD and Dev posts would allow people to better show their stance on a topic without cluttering up the thread itself.

I approve this message. Why? Because a lot of times we can't reply negatively to the DEV/REP post.

I still think it should have forced reasons even if the response is hidden and limited to a 1000 character limit.

If you want devs to really see the reaction then the dislikes with hidden responses (that users can opt to see) would be made available to even on restricted post.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

could work but dev would have to split some post into several (one for each different fix in the post) and make blank post for the jobs that don't get any info because some people will dislike any post that doesn't include their favorite jobCorrect, devs will need to spit posts into their respective, individual catagories which honestly is not that much more work and would benefit their information gathering greatly.

[Camiie]

What bugs me is that a rep could post something that affects everyone negatively and will still get likes. I don't understand.

[Demon6324236]

We are all masochistic people, thats why we still play this game in the 1st place with its annoying content, shit drop rates, stupid wait times for entrance to events, and shit reqs to actually do events.

[Caketime]

We are all masochistic people, thats why we still play this game in the 1st place with its annoying content, shit drop rates, stupid wait times for entrance to events, and shit reqs to actually do events.

Some of us still play because we're in a drunken stupor 6 days a week and haven't bothered to switch to some other lonely pastime and/or upgrade the PC because that would cut into my beer fund, which kind of limits the options.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I would like to formaly ask the dev team and/or forum mods for an official confirmation that they have actualy read this thread.

[Hashmalum]

So I'll jump on the dislike button bandwagon. Giving us a dislike button for all post is a terrible idea and will lead to nothing but immature greifing.
On the other hand, a dislike button for only MOD and Dev posts would allow people to better show their stance on a topic without cluttering up the thread itself."We are so insecure we can't stand the idea that someone might not like what WE have to say, but we demand the right to do the same for the people who provide the game and the forum." Do you have any idea just how arrogant and hypocritical that sounds? Dislikes for everybody, or for nobody.


I approve this message. Why? Because a lot of times we can't reply negatively to the DEV/REP post.

I still think it should have forced reasons even if the response is hidden and limited to a 1000 character limit.

If you want devs to really see the reaction then the dislikes with hidden responses (that users can opt to see) would be made available to even on restricted post.If it's hidden, why bother? People will just fill it with random keyboard mashings.


I would like to formaly ask the dev team and/or forum mods for an official confirmation that they have actualy read this thread.I hope this continues to be ignored like the childish expression of spite that it is.

[Demon6324236]

"We are so insecure we can't stand the idea that someone might not like what WE have to say, but we demand the right to do the same for the people who provide the game and the forum." Do you have any idea just how arrogant and hypocritical that sounds? Dislikes for everybody, or for nobody.Say for instance I do not like Pchan, for that reason I would have a bias reason to say I dislike anything he posts simply because it is he who says it. If many people dislike someone, a good post with alot of good points and valid info, could end up with 20 dislikes, and 5 likes, meaning even though its good, people who simply do not like the poster could end up making it look terrible.

Posts we get from our Reps, are a different matter. Our ability to dislike their posts would show we are against a change or update that is being announced or updated, thus giving them the idea we do not like what is being done, in hopes to change their course of action.

There is a fine line between the two, its why one is actually a good idea, the other is not actually a good idea.

[Hashmalum]

Say for instance I do not like Pchan, for that reason I would have a bias reason to say I dislike anything he posts simply because it is he who says it. If many people dislike someone, a good post with alot of good points and valid info, could end up with 20 dislikes, and 5 likes, meaning even though its good, people who simply do not like the poster could end up making it look terrible.

Posts we get from our Reps, are a different matter. Our ability to dislike their posts would show we are against a change or update that is being announced or updated, thus giving them the idea we do not like what is being done, in hopes to change their course of action.

There is a fine line between the two, its why one is actually a good idea, the other is not actually a good idea.But people are still capable of being biased against community team members and members of the dev team, either individually or as a whole. If Tanaka posted here under the system you propose, do you really think the dislikes for his post would be purely a product of his post and not dislike for him personally? When people are unhappy about the direction of the game as a whole--like they are right now--don't you think that any official post is going to get more than its "fair share" of dislikes? Biased responses apply to both player and official posts, so there is no reason to treat the two differently.

As for showing that we are against a change or update, that isn't the problem we have. Unpopular changes can be easily discerned by the tidal wave of negative responses and the high number of likes for those responses. The problem isn't that the community reps can't tell that we are unhappy; the problem is that the dev team doesn't care. There isn't any change that we can make to the forums that will change that.

Finally, we keep seeing posts from the dev team asking not to just say that we don't like something, but to offer suggestions instead. So why do you think they would have any interest in a feature that has no purpose except to give them something they specifically said that they don't want?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

We is saying and what your are ignoring and/or incapable of seeing are the same thing. In that MOD/DeV posts have threads filled with negative and contrary commentary againsts the topic at hand that goes seemingly ignored. With conclusion of the company doing what they wanted regardless of what we wanted. A dislike button on their posts alone will give a more simplified and visual indicator as to what is strongly liked and or disliked. t would also give a venue to people who are not capable to strongly voicing their opinions in writing.

Also do please try to keep in mind the topic at hand when posting. This is a thread for a dislike button for MOD/DeV posts only, not a thread for a dislike button in greneral. Thanks.

[Hashmalum]

We is saying and what your are ignoring and/or incapable of seeing are the same thing. In that MOD/DeV posts have threads filled with negative and contrary commentary againsts the topic at hand that goes seemingly ignored. With conclusion of the company doing what they wanted regardless of what we wanted.What would make it harder for them to ignore a "dislike" number than the already existing negative responses?


A dislike button on their posts alone will give a more simplified and visual indicator as to what is strongly liked and or disliked. t would also give a venue to people who are not capable to strongly voicing their opinions in writing.People already do this, by "liking" the posts of people whose objections speak well for them.


Also do please try to keep in mind the topic at hand when posting. This is a thread for a dislike button for MOD/DeV posts only, not a thread for a dislike button in greneral. Thanks.I'm actually in favor of a "dislike" button in general. I'm simply not seeing any reasons for limiting it to official posts that I think are good ones.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

What would make it harder for them to ignore a "dislike" number than the already existing negative responses? People already do this, by "liking" the posts of people whose objections speak well for them.To note, if you look at dev responces in any thread, they have a major tendancy to only respond to and answer the "easy questions." Weither this is from a lack of reading(I.e. Skimming.), a lack of caring or a lack of information being passed along. We do knot know. But it has been shown in the past, simply through the existing posts along, that very noteworthy post with many likes on that go unheeded by the team regardless of their validity. A dislike button for MOD/DeV post would give more accountability to things the company representatives are posting on Square Enix's behalf.
I'm actually in favor of a "dislike" button in general. I'm simply not seeing any reasons for limiting it to official posts that I think are good ones.Regardless, this is a thread for a dislike button for MOD/DeV post only. If you wish to voice an opinion on a dislike button for all posts in general, please do so in the apropriate thread instead of attempting to derail a different subject. Thanks.

[Ezikiel]

So I'll jump on the dislike button bandwagon. Giving us a dislike button for all post is a terrible idea and will lead to nothing but immature greifing.
On the other hand, a dislike button for only MOD and Dev posts would allow people to better show their stance on a topic without cluttering up the thread itself.
i think this more what i was going for in my thread great idea

[Kristal]

Dislike buttons don't explain WHY we don't like something. If you want to dislike a dev post, use the [devxxxx] prefix and start a new thread.

[Zagen]

Dislike buttons don't explain WHY we don't like something. If you want to dislike a dev post, use the [devxxxx] prefix and start a new thread.
Why worry about explaining why we dislike something the devs are doing? They ignore what we say and only respond to simple questions/comments that often times don't even have to do with disliking a given post.

I get it takes time to translate all the posts or weed through them to decide which ones to translate for the devs but what is there to translate when they get 100+ dislikes on something they announced?

To me a dislike button would work like this:


Community rep see X dislikes and thinks, "Wow people really hate that idea the devs had."
Com Rep: Hey dev dudes your idea has a lot of dislikes.
Dev Dudes: Well let's scratch that idea off the to do list.


Or if they really like the idea:

Dev Dudes: Really? Are there a lot of suggestions or feedback?
Com Rep: Nope but I can ask for detailed feedback and then pass the posts with the most likes over to translations.
Dev Dudes: Perfect, let's see what's the problem.
Devs get translations of reasons why people dislike the idea, and then act upon it.


Of course I'm dreaming at this point because I'm expecting them to honestly care what we think and be willing to act upon our opinions.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Why worry about explaining why we dislike something the devs are doing? They ignore what we say and only respond to simple questions/comments that often times don't even have to do with disliking a given post.This is exactly the senario that I'm talking about. We see this happening time and time again in threads.
To me a dislike button would work like this:


Community rep see X dislikes and thinks, "Wow people really hate that idea the devs had."
Com Rep: Hey dev dudes your idea has a lot of dislikes.
Dev Dudes: Well let's scratch that idea off the to do list.
And this is exactly what I hope to accomplish. It's a far more strait forward method, especialy since SE doesn't want to poll everything they're planning.

[Calatilla]

A dislike button won't change anything, when people dislike an update or a nerf they voice their concerns and the devs ignore them, like they always have. All a dislike button will do is show the devs how many people they managed to piss off this week who were too annoyed to make an actual post.

[Elexia]

What bugs me is that a rep could post something that affects everyone negatively and will still get likes. I don't understand.

Logic: There may be some people who actually like changes. It's a fucking weird concept to grasp I know, but maybe..just maybe some people actually like something others don't?

We're humans aren't we?

[Demon6324236]

Logic: There may be some people who actually like changes. It's a fucking weird concept to grasp I know, but maybe..just maybe some people actually like something others don't?

We're humans aren't we?

There are some things so stupid that no sane person could possibly like.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

A dislike button won't change anything, when people dislike an update or a nerf they voice their concerns and the devs ignore them, like they always have. All a dislike button will do is show the devs how many people they managed to piss off this week who were too annoyed to make an actual post.Also think of it from the player base point of view. A lot of people just dont' read posts, but that same person that doesn't read anything could also see that people realy like or hate the idea. Devs/mods/reps may still ignore what people are saying, but a visual reminder of X dislikes, is a lot harder to just pass over.

[Camiie]

Logic: There may be some people who actually like changes. It's a fucking weird concept to grasp I know, but maybe..just maybe some people actually like something others don't?

We're humans aren't we?

People like changes THAT AFFECT THEM AND EVERYONE ELSE NEGATIVELY? Do they really? Ugh... I just don't know what to do with some of you sometimes.

[Caketime]

Fire. It is the only way.

[Meyi]

"We are so insecure we can't stand the idea that someone might not like what WE have to say, but we demand the right to do the same for the people who provide the game and the forum." Do you have any idea just how arrogant and hypocritical that sounds? Dislikes for everybody, or for nobody.

...What? Tsukino is proposing we have a way to communicate to the Devs (with a simple glance rather than having to read 58 pages of utter logorrhea) that we dislike what they're saying. The reason we don't have 'dislikes' on the forum is so that nobody has their feelings hurt. It's similar to facebook. Dislikes don't exist because then people flame one another and dislike everything particular people write, even when they might provide something useful (just because they are who they are). It's too easy for people to troll other people, and in the end, if you don't like a post, just ignore it (whereas 'liking' is a positive feature and boosts happy feelings, and lets people know when a post is appreciated. Usually the more likes a post has, the better an idea it is).

It's NOT hypocrisy. It's saying, "we understand why the dislike function doesn't exist, but can we please return it to Dev and Forum Mod posts so we can effectively communicate our displeasure with their news bringing".

I don't understand all this rage that you have. "Childish expression of spite"? Not at all.

[Kristal]

Also think of it from the player base point of view. A lot of people just dont' read posts, but that same person that doesn't read anything could also see that people realy like or hate the idea. Devs/mods/reps may still ignore what people are saying, but a visual reminder of X dislikes, is a lot harder to just pass over.

42. It totally explains the 25 different arguments why your post is not very usefull.

Knowing why people oppose a certain change is important as well. It allows Camate & friends to reply to specific issues that have been raised. Sometimes a dislike is based on insufficient information.
Take RDM SP2 for example. It's utterly crap in the current game, because enfeebling is either useless or hits immunity. But they are changing immunities across the board in a future update. This might make the SP2 a valuable addition to the RDM arsenal. Might. If the devs know we are worried about this, they can give a targetted response, instead of wondering what x dislikes mean.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Knowing why people oppose a certain change is important as well.Yes, we are all aware of this, but we are also aware of the fact that a very large portion of these opposisions go unanswered regardless of the validity of their content. Adding a dislike button to dev posts wont negate the fact that people are posting anything. It'll add to what the devs are not seeing/reading/ignoring.
Also consider that a lot of these dev posts are in threads that cannot be replied to. Being able to see these values on an original post and not an offshoot thread would be helpful to everyone.

[Llana_Virren]

What if they made it like other forums where if fame is lowered enough, you cannot post. So all the retarded ideas the dev's like to throw out there, we can just rate down them and the community reps to oblivion.

If they wanna ignore us, we can ignore them too!

Now, excuse me while I return to reality....

[Ezikiel]

i would love to have a dislike button the devs have removed my threads twice for no good reason

[Plasticleg]

i would love to have a dislike button the devs have removed my threads twice for no good reason

Making any type of negative comments towards any member of SE is calls for ban/deletion of postings. Also they reserve the rights to ban/delete whatever they deem to. You agreed to this when you signed up for the forum.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

You have to keep in mind that a dev only dislike button doesn't need translation, that even someone like the director can see a dev post on the english forum. The non-english speakers will then wonder what's up with that post and why it is so hated. This will lead to a need to know what's going on and help spead the information. This goes both ways too, plenty of people wander around the JP forums to see what's up, We too would be able to see a dev post over there that's been inundated with dislikes and wonder what's up.

[Meyi]

Making any type of negative comments towards any member of SE is calls for ban/deletion of postings. Also they reserve the rights to ban/delete whatever they deem to. You agreed to this when you signed up for the forum.

We do it all the time anyway.

If not on these forums then on all the fan-based forums where they can't touch us.

There's a reason the playerbase is so displeased with the development team and the producer, and it is that we don't like their bizarre updates and skewed idea of what is a challenge, and what the playerbase really wants to do. We've been angry for years now and the unwanted updates still haven't ceased.

All we want to do is visually demonstrate displeasure to the development team and producer. That's not being negative, that's being informative. And since Square Enix took the time and energy to create these forums (and continue to pay to keep them hosted) I'd like to believe they're sincere when they say they want to know what the playerbase thinks. And one way to effectively show our thoughts is a Like/Dislike count.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Who is the head of the forums and/or website management?

[Alhanelem]

disliking is usually accompanied by a reason, so posting your displeasure is a lot more effective than a dislike button.

[Demon6324236]

Except SE ignores player posts and likes, because in honesty they don't care. This is seeming to change lately but don't know how far that goes yet.

[Alhanelem]

Except SE ignores player posts and likes, because in honesty they don't care. This is seeming to change lately but don't know how far that goes yet.
if you feel that's the case (it isn't), then what makes you think they'd pay any attention to the dislikes either?

There isnt some sort of system where if a post has X number of likes, SE is like "ok, 100 likes, we must do what this person says now." that doesn't mean they ignore popular suggestions and criticisms.

a bunch of people poasting FUUUU IZ BROKEN FIX NOW ought to be a lot more efffective than giving a post X number of thumbs down.

[Demon6324236]

They wouldn't listen, numbers of people agreeing should be a sign a massive amount of people would like to see it happen, in cases like the one with the storage slip for AF2+2 gear we had around 130 likes I think in that thread, yet were turned down with a stupid excuse that could not have any real 'reason' to it. Neither are effective, SE simply doesn't listen to anything either way, adding this does nothing to either side of the problem. Look at RDM's new SP, they asked what we wanted specifically, we told them, they ignored it and went with something entirely different. There are signs of them not caring what we say all over these forums, asking us to give detailed feedback was a waste as they treat it no different than a simple reply. Unless that changes this will never matter, if they start listening to us then they could learn how many people hate their ideas on a basic level. The same argument your making about how people should post saying they dislike it and heres why, could be said the same for likes, but the problem is, alot more people also just browse the forums as well, never actually speaking up either. In the end the likes don't matter.

[Alhanelem]

They wouldn't listen, numbers of people agreeing should be a sign a massive amount of people would like to see it happen, in cases like the one with the storage slip for AF2+2 gear we had around 130 likes I think in that thread, yet were turned down with a stupid excuse that could not have any real 'reason' to it. Neither are effective, SE simply doesn't listen to anything either way, adding this does nothing to either side of the problem. Look at RDM's new SP, they asked what we wanted specifically, we told them, they ignored it and went with something entirely different. There are signs of them not caring what we say all over these forums, asking us to give detailed feedback was a waste as they treat it no different than a simple reply. Unless that changes this will never matter, if they start listening to us then they could learn how many people hate their ideas on a basic level. The same argument your making about how people should post saying they dislike it and heres why, could be said the same for likes, but the problem is, alot more people also just browse the forums as well, never actually speaking up either. In the end the likes don't matter.
Quite the disgruntled (and cynical) fan arent we? :p

Dislikes aren't going to matter any more than likes. Do you really think a number next to a thumbs down icon is going to persuade them more than a 200 post thread full of angry responses?

[Demon6324236]

Well yes I am, also while writing that I was in a bad mood but my point is that adding it or not I doubt our feedback will mean any more or less to them. I'm ok with or without them adding a dislike button, but if they did I would probably use it on about every post relating to RDM, because I feel as though my RDM is given the shaft on a weekly basis. But my point was just that, to say its pointless either way, however at the same time I find the most commonly thing said, similar to what could be said of the Like button, if you want to say you dislike it, type a reply saying why, and really the same could be said in many cases about Likes. The one place a Dislike should be added though if anywhere, is announcement made that are auto-locked in the Updates and General sections, because we are completely unable to give any feedback on anything there directly without making an entire new thread for it. And god this post turned out longer than planed! ><;

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Don't forget that we still need that dislike button for those dev/mod posts only.

[Alhanelem]

Actually, I'd like a dislike button for your posts only.

[Saefinn]

[edit] Didn't notice the several pages, sorry. However, I'll say...I approve of the idea.