Suggestion: Aby proc cells

[Trisscar]

I have seen it suggested multiple times to make KI to spawn NMs for Empyrean weapons something you can purchase, I've made the same suggestion myself.

And while I still think this would go a long way towards streamlining an increasingly solo heavy process I believe it doesn't address a core issue, namely that unless you get extremely lucky or happen to have alts to cover all the procs you still aren't getting them.

This is especially a problem if you're stuck soloing NM for seals, weapons, armors, or atma. So either overhaul the proc system to more closely match Dyna's or make cells (temp items only available in Aby) that, when used, have a chance to proc weakness in the target NM.

I strongly support the last option. You know now that cruor essentially became worthless apart from brewing random crap.

[Zagen]

All I read is that you either:
A) Need to make friends as this is a MMO and one of the points of a MMO is playing with others.
or
B) Need to make new friends.

[Trisscar]

All I read is that you either:
A) Need to make friends as this is a MMO and one of the points of a MMO is playing with others.
or
B) Need to make new friends.

Trust me, soloing isn't my first choice. I'm a firm believer that doing things like farming seals are less time consuming, safer, and easier when you do it in a group. But that isn't always possible.

[Antanias]

While we're at it, let's lighten the load a bit for blue mages in voidwatch as far as procs go >_>

[Trisscar]

While we're at it, let's lighten the load a bit for blue mages in voidwatch as far as procs go >_>

While I agree, what does that have to do with the subject at hand?

[Alerith]

This is a lazy player's suggestion. If you can't find people to proc with, then that's an issue with you, not the system. Implementing something like this would do nothing more than cripple group play even further with little to no real benefit.

[Trisscar]

This is a lazy player's suggestion. If you can't find people to proc with, then that's an issue with you, not the system. Implementing something like this would do nothing more than cripple group play even further with little to no real benefit.

Wow how wrong can you possibly get? This actually does help groups out a lot. Lets say you do manage to start getting people together for a seal run, but you can't fill the fourth slot. Not only is this not unheard of, but its fairly common. It's usually the BLM/BRD you can't get.

So what you expect that group to do? Sit around and shout fruitlessly for hours, increasing the chances that group will disband before killing a single thing?

The cell idea would allow the group to be able to cover that weakness of BLM or BRD if they come up even without having either present. And since reading for comprehension is apparently not a skill you've been keeping leveled, the cells do not have a 100% rate and are subject to the same limitations that normal proc have.

[hiko]

Wow how wrong can you possibly get? This actually does help groups out a lot. Lets say you do manage to start getting people together for a seal run, but you can't fill the fourth slot. Not only is this not unheard of, but its fairly common. It's usually the BLM/BRD you can't get.

So what you expect that group to do? Sit around and shout fruitlessly for hours, increasing the chances that group will disband before killing a single thing?

The cell idea would allow the group to be able to cover that weakness of BLM or BRD if they come up even without having either present. And since reading for comprehension is apparently not a skill you've been keeping leveled, the cells do not have a 100% rate and are subject to the same limitations that normal proc have.
don't need 4 people to farm seal if you have 3 people just have one change into BLM!


BLU/NIN + BLM/BRD cover all proc Earthsday --> Watersday --> Windsday --> Iceday (half the week) only miss dispel if start firesday, add a whm and you have everything full week

[Zagen]

Wow how wrong can you possibly get? This actually does help groups out a lot. Lets say you do manage to start getting people together for a seal run, but you can't fill the fourth slot. Not only is this not unheard of, but its fairly common. It's usually the BLM/BRD you can't get.

So what you expect that group to do? Sit around and shout fruitlessly for hours, increasing the chances that group will disband before killing a single thing?

The cell idea would allow the group to be able to cover that weakness of BLM or BRD if they come up even without having either present. And since reading for comprehension is apparently not a skill you've been keeping leveled, the cells do not have a 100% rate and are subject to the same limitations that normal proc have.
Or you could just level BLM/BRD like I did. Don't have a WHM, NIN, or BLU if you bother with BLU? I got those covered too. It took a week to level them up each because I took my time. This isn't the era where it's acceptable for players have 1 job leveled.

As Alerith said this is a solution for the lazy people and is counterproductive to group play. If you don't see how, here's just 1 example: I could go on NIN/DNC and cover all procs instead of just 3 for +1/2s.

[Trisscar]

Or you could just level BLM/BRD like I did. Don't have a WHM, NIN, or BLU if you bother with BLU? I got those covered too. It took a week to level them up each because I took my time. This isn't the era where it's acceptable for players have 1 job leveled.

As Alerith said this is a solution for the lazy people and is counterproductive to group play. If you don't see how, here's just 1 example: I could go on NIN/DNC and cover all procs instead of just 3 for +1/2s.

So it's lazy compared to buying KI to spawn (for example) Cloris, bypassing all the farming you would normally have to do?

If you can't see why the solution I suggest is better than I'm not sure if you'll ever understand even if I explain it to you.

Besides, you say you're concerned about it impacting groups. I fail to see how it could be anything but a boon for groups.

Don't have a MNK for blunt procs? No problem! Don't have anyone with GK when the red proc is Koki? No problem!

[Zagen]

So it's lazy compared to buying KI to spawn (for example) Cloris, bypassing all the farming you would normally have to do?
If you're lazy you wouldn't have the Gil to buy pops. Is it lazier than farming the pops yourself? Sure I'm not arguing that. This is a poor example because this is like buying pops off the AH instead of farming them. While you can buy a KI you still need to cover procs be it yellow, blue, red, or TH.


If you can't see why the solution I suggest is better than I'm not sure if you'll ever understand even if I explain it to you.
Your solution encourages soloists because the fact is people will take a sure fire way to proc over waiting for friends or trying to get people together, because we're all lazy.


Besides, you say you're concerned about it impacting groups. I fail to see how it could be anything but a boon for groups.

Did you even read my example?


Don't have a MNK for blunt procs? No problem! Don't have anyone with GK when the red proc is Koki? No problem!
Stop being lazy make friends with people who're on when you are that have these jobs or level them yourself.

[Trisscar]

If you're lazy you wouldn't have the Gil to buy pops. Is it lazier than farming the pops yourself? Sure I'm not arguing that. This is a poor example because this is like buying pops off the AH instead of farming them.

To be clear, I'm not against buying KI. But let's say you are someone stuck soloing Briaeus? This isn't wholly impossible, a lot of jobs can do it these days with a minimum of fuss. If they can just buy the KI then they can knock out out Briaeus, get drops, buy KI again, and spawn Briaeus again a hell of a lot faster than a group farming pops the old fashioned way.

The way I suggest doesn't allow for short cuts, but makes getting red proc for a soloist much more streamlined and less stressful.



Your solution encourages soloists because the fact is people will take a sure fire way to proc over waiting for friends or trying to get people together, because we're all lazy.

I won't lie, yes the idea is targeted at soloists. Because they're the ones who are being unfairly penalized. But it also benefits groups.





Stop being lazy make friends with people who're on when you are that have these jobs or level them yourself.

As a mater of fact, I'm in a shell that's very helpful. I also have most of these jobs leveled, even if I'm not confident in my ability to play them well.

[Zagen]

The way I suggest doesn't allow for short cuts, but makes getting red proc for a soloist much more streamlined and less stressful.

This is a contradictory statement. Allowing for a soloist to have a more streamlined/less stressful way to get red procs allows for short cuts in the intended gameplay. Specifically gameplay designed to create a need for cooperation between players.


I won't lie, yes the idea is targeted at soloists. Because they're the ones who are being unfairly penalized. But it also benefits groups.
Hmm, a soloist being penalized in a game designed to be played together with other players who'd have thunk it.

[Trisscar]

This is a contradictory statement. Allowing for a soloist to have a more streamlined/less stressful way to get red procs allows for short cuts in the intended gameplay. Specifically gameplay designed to create a need for cooperation between players.

No, not really.



Hmm, a soloist being penalized in a game designed to be played together with other players who'd have thunk it.

A lot of times a person who solos something in a MMO, really doesn't have a choice in the mater. What are you going to do when (say) you want to do an assault and no one wants to assist? Not any one in the shell, not anyone in Jeuno, not anyone on your friends list.

This happens because content becomes outdated, people lose interest, and there's not incentive for them to participate.

This also happens a lot in Abyssea content as well these days, especially where it pertains to farming seals. If you're late to the party you're pretty much stuck going it alone.

But the thing is, without the procs (which, as you have pointed out, favor groups) you probably going to be spinning your wheels for a few hours, if not days.

And you think this is alright?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

No matter how little time I had, I was almost always able to find people to help in aby. For seals that is. Try streamlining your yells to be more efficient and inclue more auto. Also you need to shout along with it in port jeuno as this is the major hub. Not everyone has yell turned on and if you're not shouting in the largest zone, then what's the point? Don't forget that you have to stand in the middle of the zone, if you're at the mog house or the exit, people on theother ends wont see your shouts.

Example: SAM, WAR, WHM [Head] [Paper] [Do you need it?] [/tell]

The simpler and more strait forward you keep it, the more people will understand.

[Zagen]

A lot of times a person who solos something in a MMO, really doesn't have a choice in the mater. What are you going to do when (say) you want to do an assault and no one wants to assist? Not any one in the shell, not anyone in Jeuno, not anyone on your friends list.

This happens because content becomes outdated, people lose interest, and there's not incentive for them to participate.

This also happens a lot in Abyssea content as well these days, especially where it pertains to farming seals. If you're late to the party you're pretty much stuck going it alone.

But the thing is, without the procs (which, as you have pointed out, favor groups) you probably going to be spinning your wheels for a few hours, if not days.

And you think this is alright?

Maybe that person should pick a different genre of games at that point.

As to me I have found friends who are willing to help merely because I ask even if there is 0 direct benefit to them. It may not be at the exact moment I want to do it but scheduling a time with them has always worked out. Again make better friends. This is a game intended to be played with others, if you want a game that caters to "soloists" look elsewhere.

[Trisscar]

Maybe that person should pick a different genre of games at that point.

As to me I have found friends who are willing to help merely because I ask even if there is 0 direct benefit to them. It may not be at the exact moment I want to do it but scheduling a time with them has always worked out. Again make better friends. This is a game intended to be played with others, if you want a game that caters to "soloists" look elsewhere.

No, not looking for a game that caters to soloists. Just would like to see this one stop cock blocking them.

[Zagen]

No, not looking for a game that caters to soloists. Just would like to see this one stop cock blocking them.

The game isn't cock blocking them though. Either it's the player or the people they associate with which is why I said make friends or get new ones initially as that is the proper solution to your problems.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

No, not looking for a game that caters to soloists. Just would like to see this one stop cock blocking them.Go VW for massive cruor and just brew everything.

[Trisscar]

Go VW for massive cruor and just brew everything.

Again, this isn't really about myself. If I have to do anything Abyssea related my process goes like this:

1) Ask in LS chat. Usually sufficient enough for me, and I typically don't have to go any further than this.

2) Ask the people on my friends list. Considering that it is made up mostly of people who no longer play, this step isn't as reliable as step 1.

3) Shout/yell. Considering there's no guarantee of replies to the positive and the skill level of responders are a mixed bag, this is not a whole hell of a lot better than soloing.

4) Solo it. Again, my last resort.

5) ???

6) Get it done don't mater what.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

3) Shout/yell. Considering there's no guarantee of replies to the positive and the skill level of responders are a mixed bag, this is not a whole hell of a lot better than soloing.Their respective skill doesn't matter. The only reason that they're there is to proc. Who cares if the lvl99blm, who only needs to be like 75, has the skills of a lvl30. You're the one that's doing the killing and again, all they need to do is proc.
Questions: Do you even have 99thf/nin? Do you realize that in this day and age, you have to level other jobs even if you don't want them, to better facilitate obtaining the gear for the jobs that you want?

[Trisscar]

Questions: Do you even have 99thf/nin?

Yes I do have THF/NIN. I don't like that half my inventory gets ate up by NIN tools, but its a necessary evil.


Do you realize that in this day and age, you have to level other jobs even if you don't want them, to better facilitate obtaining the gear for the jobs that you want?

Yes I do. That's the reason why I leveled WHM, despite not liking the job (it is also geared and skilled, plus has all the spells to the point that I feel comfortable to offer it for events like Voidwatch). I also have BLM at level 90, but wouldn't offer it even for Abyssea because I don't have all of its procs and my BRD is still level 5.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Well having the procs and having skill are different and your brd only needs to be, I forget, like 24. lol

[Trisscar]

Well having the procs and having skill are different and your brd only needs to be, I forget, like 24. lol

Actually skill is still vital, even in Abyssea. Unless you think missing with all the spells you throw at it (even with Elemental Seal) is a good thing?

[Zagen]

Actually skill is still vital, even in Abyssea. Unless you think missing with all the spells you throw at it (even with Elemental Seal) is a good thing?

BLM proc spells can't ever be completel resisted. BRD spells even with capped skill and rocking full MACC gear/atma you aren't going to land threnodies unless you get incredibly lucky. If your goal is proc Tsukino_Kaji is right in that you don't need skill for that.

As to missing with Elemental Seal the only time I've ever done that in Abyssea is with spells the monster is immune to

[Demon6324236]

Honestly if you want to solo seals, do it with RDM/NIN, you can solo most Abyssea mobs easily with some decent gear most likely & you get 3/7 procs with the ability to use a TH sash given you have one.

People will always complain about adding a new way to solo seals because thats what procs were meant to stop, but at the same time, its needed which people seem to not understand because once everyone has something, they often don't want to go back. I myself hate doing seals, I have about 5 +1s left to get, then I want to never fight a seal NM again, this means I probably wont be helping anyone with them either, making it harder for people to get help with seals too.

[Zagen]

People will always complain about adding a new way to solo seals because thats what procs were meant to stop, but at the same time, its needed which people seem to not understand because once everyone has something, they often don't want to go back. I myself hate doing seals, I have about 5 +1s left to get, then I want to never fight a seal NM again, this means I probably wont be helping anyone with them either, making it harder for people to get help with seals too.

I help when asked, well when asked from friends or if I'm bored and see a random shout. Even without help and if you're truly incapable of soloing a seal NM there are quests. SE did a good job in creating ways for people to "solo" +1s and giving people who actually want to play a MMO with other people a way to get +1s faster and get even better gear options. Despite SE seeing Abyssea as a mistake it's actually one of the best designed systems in the game, it provides serveral different ways to get things from it without excluding any 1 player (jobs is a different story).

[Alerith]

Wow how wrong can you possibly get? This actually does help groups out a lot. Lets say you do manage to start getting people together for a seal run, but you can't fill the fourth slot. Not only is this not unheard of, but its fairly common. It's usually the BLM/BRD you can't get.

No, this does not help groups out a lot. Because GROUPS comprise of MULTIPLE people. And if you have multiple people, you have multiple sources of procs.

These cells would do nothing more than encourage less group play because a group will no longer be required to proc. 100% activation or not, having cells in mass quantity make up for it's non-100% proc rate. Unless of course you limit these cells to Rare/Ex, then they become completely useless.

Also, you don't need 4 player slots for a successful seal/+2 item farm.


So what you expect that group to do? Sit around and shout fruitlessly for hours, increasing the chances that group will disband before killing a single thing?

I expect people to go out and kill the NM. If you're gonna disband because you're missing a handful of procs instead of doing something productive like fighting the NM with what you have, then again, it's your problem and not the system.

Choosing to disband with no gain over some form of gain fighting the actual NM is almost always the wrong decision for seal NMs, and can be a stupid choice for most +2 NMs with simple pop conditions.


The cell idea would allow the group to be able to cover that weakness of BLM or BRD if they come up even without having either present. And since reading for comprehension is apparently not a skill you've been keeping leveled, the cells do not have a 100% rate and are subject to the same limitations that normal proc have.

Weaknesses are different for a reason. If you were meant to be able to proc without the required jobs, it would be more in the style of Dynamis proc'ing, which I still don't find acceptable for Abyssea.

Also, as I said before, 100% activation or not is irrelevant if you can hold multiple cells, and if you can't, the cells are basically useless.

[Mirage]

just add /fume for Abyssea as well.

[Mayoyama]

May I suggest to OP to do what a LOT of people do, and level a 2nd account as a whm/proc mule and dualbox? Sure its going to take a while to level, skill, gear and build up some aby stones.. but since doing mine I havent looked back. This also has many other benefits outside abyssea.

And as for +1 seals... a friend of mine just returned to game and had no aby stuff done... me on THF/NIN and him on RDM/WHM (without refresh atmas for a while too!) did just fine in getting him seals. Even with no procs, some decent TH on mob will still net you (usually) a seal or two, which is certainly better than twiddling thumbs in Port Jeuno... lol

[Mirage]

Yeah, that's an awesome idea. I personally 18-box stuff, solves the problem of not finding 17 people to help. Clearly a great solution.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Also to note, all seals are questable.

[Aldersyde]

All I read is that you either:
A) Need to make friends as this is a MMO and one of the points of a MMO is playing with others.
or
B) Need to make new friends.

All I read is you're kind of a twat.

All an MMO means is that there are many other players you can interact with, not that you must interact with. If you had to team up with everyone for everything, SE would have designed it that way, but there's many. many things you can do ingame without other people. Hell, if you were inclined to do so, you could farm gil 24/7 and just merc every piece of rare/ex gear you need.

Abyssea is mid-level content now, kind of like how AF was at level 75. Sure, you could bring a bunch of people to farm coffer keys and do the lvl 60 armor quests but if you had a level 75 job it was nowhere near necessary. Same applies now at 99. I have heard no argument from the naysayers (all 2 or 3 of you... out of thousands of ffxi players) other than you feel it goes against what you think a model of an MMO should be.

Like Trisscar said, there's no reason to cockblock people late to the party...especially when empy weapons and +2 gear seem to be a bare minimum to other content in the game (and since i constantly read on this forum how Abyssea is such dead content).

[Mayoyama]

Yeah, that's an awesome idea. I personally 18-box stuff, solves the problem of not finding 17 people to help. Clearly a great solution.

coz 2=18.. ya.. troll harder... and quite seriously.. who the f* uses 18 person alliance in aby anymore (outside xp pts)? rofl

Funny how you completely ignored the 2nd half of my post too... lol.

Simple answer: dont like someone's suggestion, ignore it and move on. Dont ask for help then give snide remarks at people when they give reasonable options/answers. Makes people less likely to want to help you next time

Stop acting like an entitled brat

[Demon6324236]

You missed the point of that post.

[Aldersyde]

coz 2=18.. ya.. troll harder... and quite seriously.. who the f* uses 18 person alliance in aby anymore (outside xp pts)? rofl

Funny how you completely ignored the 2nd half of my post too... lol.

Simple answer: dont like someone's suggestion, ignore it and move on. Dont ask for help then give snide remarks at people when they give reasonable options/answers. Makes people less likely to want to help you next time

Stop acting like an entitled brat

Leveling a whole other account so you can gear your primary account is really not a reasonable solution> It only appears that way if you're a meth-like addict for this game. Plus it kinda goes against what "true" MMOers (like Zagen) are going for with protecting the "group-oriented" nature of the game.

[Arcon]

BLM proc spells can't ever be completel resisted. BRD spells even with capped skill and rocking full MACC gear/atma you aren't going to land threnodies unless you get incredibly lucky.

I haven't been BLM to Abyssea much, but I've yet to encounter any trouble landing Threnodies on seal NMs without Elemental Seal. With the Atma of the Ultimate and Chatoyant Staff, along with some minor gear here and there it lands very reliably unless it's a particularly resistant NM. I don't even remember when I had to use ES to land it the last time, but it wasn't this year.


These cells would do nothing more than encourage less group play because a group will no longer be required to proc.

That's not at all a bad thing. Groups at this point are a hindrance in Abyssea parties, most people actually have trouble finding them. I've seen shouts go on for hours, unanswered. Abyssea is old content, it should not require three people to do efficiently.


Also to note, all seals are questable.

Not noteworthy at all, because a vast majority of those quests are utterly useless. Slow, painful or expensive, or any combination of those.


Simple answer: dont like someone's suggestion, ignore it and move on.

Or point out just how ridiculous their suggestion is. You're giving people bad advice, you should be called out on it.

[Mirage]

coz 2=18.. ya.. troll harder... and quite seriously.. who the f* uses 18 person alliance in aby anymore (outside xp pts)? rofl

Funny how you completely ignored the 2nd half of my post too... lol.

Who says I was talking about abyssea farming? It's irrelevant in either case. The point is that buying the game again in order to complete content in the same game is ridiculous, no matter how many extra accounts it is.

I ignored the second half of your post because it was of no relevance to what I had an issue with. If you find that funny, maybe you just have a poor sense of humor.

[Mayoyama]

Who says I was talking about abyssea farming? It's irrelevant in either case. The point is that buying the game again in order to complete content in the same game is ridiculous, no matter how many extra accounts it is.

I ignored the second half of your post because it was of no relevance to what I had an issue with. If you find that funny, maybe you just have a poor sense of humor.

My suggestion was for OP.. not you for starters. And since the whole thread is about proccing in abyssea... it has everything to do with farming in abyssea, whether it be +1, +2, emp weps w/e


Or point out just how ridiculous their suggestion is. You're giving people bad advice, you should be called out on it.

Ya coz being proactive and making a 2nd character so you can dualbox stuff is so much worse than standing idle in port jeuno for hours with a thumb up your ass complaining that you cant get nothing done

[Mirage]

It's not that dualboxing isn't more efficient, it's that it shouldn't be a "solution" to be used instead of the developers changing the game in a way that makes it better.

If people should "buy another game account" to do abyssea, it isn't a far stretch to say "six people could just all triplebox to get all procs in voidwatch" to people when they ask SE to change things there.

It is the same principle, you are asking people to pay 2-3 times more for their game instead of SE changing the gameplay.

"Just multibox it" is a terrible suggestion, and it would be a lot better to just implement a cruor-bought item that would reset the NM's weakness to a new randomly (within day/time limits)picked proc. If it was lightsday and you got "Dispel" as the proc, you could use the item and it would change to for example Thunder IV. You'd still need to get hints all over again, of course, but it would still be a lot less annoying.

[Mayoyama]

I certainly dont disagree how frustrating not being able to have the proc is (I'm staring at you freezebite while on nin...). I also dont disagree that multiboxing is merely a bandaid solution to try overcome lack of people/jobs to get crap done (and tbh its a royal PITA sometimes having to try maneuver and keep an eye on two characters)

But.. at the same time, its also one of the only ways I am able to get stuff done when the rest of my ls goes to bed (yay for being aussie and ls goes to bed at 2-4pm my time lol). So until such a point that SE does decide to change things (if they bother considering their focus is now on expansion/new content), it will continue to be one of a handful of options people have for content that 75%+ of the playerbase has done to death and doesnt want to keep helping others do

BTW, I apologise for the gnarcky comments

[Zagen]

I haven't been BLM to Abyssea much, but I've yet to encounter any trouble landing Threnodies on seal NMs without Elemental Seal. With the Atma of the Ultimate and Chatoyant Staff, along with some minor gear here and there it lands very reliably unless it's a particularly resistant NM. I don't even remember when I had to use ES to land it the last time, but it wasn't this year.
Really? I guess those 4-9 levels make a difference. At 90-95 when I was heavily farming seals even with capped skill + merited singing it was a crap shoot without ES. Good to know however doesn't change the point about skill not being needed thanks to ES.

[Mirage]

It's been a while since i specifically went after seals now, my blm friend seems to have a decent amount of trouble landing threnodies on +2 item NMs without elemental seal, at least. He's got brd leveled too, so he's capped on skill, but it seems to be floored on hit rate even with an ascetic's tonic and some gear.

[Kincard]

The problem with Abyssea is that it's very strict in what jobs you need to bring if you want to proc yellow for seals. If you combine that with the fact that every NM only drops 4 types of seals it really makes it difficult for anyone to shout up someone who just happens to have both the required job leveled and wants that particular seal. At this point, most of the people who need seals are playing catchup and probably don't have every single one of the needed jobs leveled so that argument makes no sense to me.

Still, the simple solution I've always found is just...farm NMs as a Melee + mage combo and proc what you can, and then just kill if you can't hit the proc. The NM can still drop up to two seals if you don't proc anyway. The only exception to this I can think of is body seal NMs given how irritating it can be to farm up their pops sometimes.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Not noteworthy at all, because a vast majority of those quests are utterly useless. Slow, painful or expensive, or any combination of those.All of the above is a far more viable option due to your apperent innability to obtain party members.

[Trisscar]

It's not that dualboxing isn't more efficient, it's that it shouldn't be a "solution" to be used instead of the developers changing the game in a way that makes it better.

If people should "buy another game account" to do abyssea, it isn't a far stretch to say "six people could just all triplebox to get all procs in voidwatch" to people when they ask SE to change things there.

It is the same principle, you are asking people to pay 2-3 times more for their game instead of SE changing the gameplay.

"Just multibox it" is a terrible suggestion, and it would be a lot better to just implement a cruor-bought item that would reset the NM's weakness to a new randomly (within day/time limits)picked proc. If it was lightsday and you got "Dispel" as the proc, you could use the item and it would change to for example Thunder IV. You'd still need to get hints all over again, of course, but it would still be a lot less annoying.

I actually like this suggestion better than my own. Cells that reset procs.

[Zagen]

I actually like this suggestion better than my own. Cells that reset procs.
So as a solo player you'd keep resetting until you get a NIN proc? Sounds like a huge waste of time but at that point it would benefit groups more so than solo players because they would just reset until it isn't BLU or WHM depending on the setup.

[Arcon]

So as a solo player you'd keep resetting until you get a NIN proc? Sounds like a huge waste of time but at that point it would benefit groups more so than solo players because they would just reset until it isn't BLU or WHM depending on the setup.

How is that "benefitting groups more"? Solo/duo setups would do exactly the same thing. Only for groups it would not even be required most of the time as long as they bring a BLM with them.

[Zagen]

How is that "benefitting groups more"? Solo/duo setups would do exactly the same thing. Only for groups it would not even be required most of the time as long as they bring a BLM with them.
If your group is NIN + BLM/BRD you can't cover WHM unless the NIN is /WHM and you can't cover BLU.
If your group is BLU/NIN + BLM/BRD you can't cover WHM.
The odds of a reset giving a group (duo really) the spells they can cast are far greater than a solo player thus it's a greater potential benefit. I say potential because even if the dev's wasted their time implementing this I wouldn't bother getting an extra item because I have the friends available.

Also with the exception of a few +2 NMs a group needs only ever be a duo or trio.

[Lyberty]

My 2 cents on this subject: we should be able to buy KIs with cruor for any NM inside aby, of course that being said the higher the NM tier the respective KI would be more expensive and to do not make it so "easy" you would be able to buy 1 KI per earth day to avoid abuses.

[Arcon]

If your group is NIN + BLM/BRD you can't cover WHM unless the NIN is /WHM and you can't cover BLU.
If your group is BLU/NIN + BLM/BRD you can't cover WHM.
The odds of a reset giving a group (duo really) the spells they can cast are far greater than a solo player thus it's a greater potential benefit.

A group's chance at a proc is already a lot higher, so the chance they need a reset in the first place is very low. Thus groups including a BLM/BRD already fare very well in that regard and won't need it. However, this could be invaluable to people who rely on solo/duo efforts for this.

In mathematical terms:
A group with a BLM/BRD has a 71% chance to get a proc. Resetting would increase that to a 92% chance.
A solo NIN has a 14% chance to get a proc. Resetting would increase that to a 27% chance.

While the group's chance at a proc increased by 30%, the soloers chance almost doubled. In long terms that means the group's average farming time for seals decreases by 23%, while the soloers farming time decreases by 50%.

[Zagen]

A group's chance at a proc is already a lot higher, so the chance they need a reset in the first place is very low. Thus groups including a BLM/BRD already fare very well in that regard and won't need it. However, this could be invaluable to people who rely on solo/duo efforts for this.

In mathematical terms:
A group with a BLM/BRD has a 71% chance to get a proc. Resetting would increase that to a 92% chance.
A solo NIN has a 14% chance to get a proc. Resetting would increase that to a 27% chance.

While the group's chance at a proc increased by 30%, the soloers chance almost doubled. In long terms that means the group's average farming time for seals decreases by 23%, while the soloers farming time decreases by 50%.
I'm sorry I should have been more specific if a group or soloer is already using the item because the proc is something they don't have the group has better odds of getting it on 1 item's use.

Yes the NIN's odds nearly double because they have such a low chance but the NIN still only has a 3/21 or 5/21 (if /WHM for lightsday) after the rest where as the group still has 18/21 at worst.

A smart duo would of course go when they could do 21/21 but then again I wouldn't be entertaining the idea of the item's existence for solo or groups if I went with that logic.

[Trisscar]

So as a solo player you'd keep resetting until you get a NIN proc? Sounds like a huge waste of time but at that point it would benefit groups more so than solo players because they would just reset until it isn't BLU or WHM depending on the setup.

Depending on how they implement such an idea, it actually would benefit solo/low man groups.

To be honest it is a lot better suggestion than tell someone go pay for a second account, plus character content, plus game content, plus invest another 3 or more years time gearing and EXPing another character, et cetera just to do out dated content.

Even purchasable KI is a better solution.

[Trisscar]

My 2 cents on this subject: we should be able to buy KIs with cruor for any NM inside aby, of course that being said the higher the NM tier the respective KI would be more expensive and to do not make it so "easy" you would be able to buy 1 KI per earth day to avoid abuses.

I would prefer limiting the purchase limit to once per game day, personally.

[Zagen]

Depending on how they implement such an idea, it actually would benefit solo/low man groups.

To be honest it is a lot better suggestion than tell someone go pay for a second account, plus character content, plus game content, plus invest another 3 or more years time gearing and EXPing another character, et cetera just to do out dated content.

Even purchasable KI is a better solution.
Playing with others is an even better solution. Considering you only need 2-3 good players to cover all procs in Abyssea (some depending on game day of course) I don't see the problem with how it already works.

[Demon6324236]

The problem is, finding people to do it when everyone has their seals finished already because Abysseas content was fast for groups, leaving everyone new to it to solo it or shout for hours on end for people. I understand Abyssea is lowmanable enough, but really if you cant get anyone to help should you have to make a 2nd account just to do things? People point out its a MMO, meant to play with others, the problem is when others dont want to play with you, you get kinda left behind.

[Lyberty]

I would prefer limiting the purchase limit to once per game day, personally.

Me too, but people would just complain about it being too "easy"... its hard to find a middle ground that makes everyone happy nowadays :(

[Trisscar]

I honestly don't care about people calling it 'too easy', they have zero legitimate arguments and prone to huge glaring logical fallacies to the point it gives me a migraine.

[Mayoyama]

My 2 cents on this subject: we should be able to buy KIs with cruor for any NM inside aby, of course that being said the higher the NM tier the respective KI would be more expensive and to do not make it so "easy" you would be able to buy 1 KI per earth day to avoid abuses.

Sadly SE would never do this as many seal nms also double as KI nms for empyrean weapon items.. and SE are unlikely to ever do anything to change the way in which emp weps are acquired (esp wont make it even easier to obtain)

They may do something if it affected only yellow or blue, but highly doubt red procs (as nice as this would be).

[Fynlar]

ITT: Abyssea procs are hard.

[Mirage]

ITT: Fynlar thinks hard and annoying are interchangable terms.

[Camiie]

All I read is that you either:
A) Need to make friends as this is a MMO and one of the points of a MMO is playing with others.
or
B) Need to make new friends.


You don't just go out and "make friends." It's a natural process. It just happens. While you can put yourself into situations where you are more likely to interact with people, you can't force it to happen. Not only that, but if you're going out to "make friends" just so you can get shit done then you're doing it wrong. You're not "making friends." You're just using people.

As far as people who say "level a different job to get what you need for this job," I have to disagree. If you level that other job, you'll never see your favorite job again. I got stuck on BRD for years and I ended up having a generally miserable experience.

For those who say it's a personal issue rather than a system one, I also disagree. The game and content aren't appealing to enough people to keep things moving along. That is absolutely an SE problem.

[Dazusu]

ITT: Abyssea procs are hard.

Only when you have no friends :(

[Zagen]

You don't just go out and "make friends." It's a natural process. It just happens. While you can put yourself into situations where you are more likely to interact with people, you can't force it to happen. Not only that, but if you're going out to "make friends" just so you can get shit done then you're doing it wrong. You're not "making friends." You're just using people.
I've never had a problem making friends in the game. I've made friends EXPing, joining shouts groups, heck even coming across random people while I'm doing something on my own and we happen to be doing the same thing. I've even made friends by joining in shout fests in Jeuno though that's rare. Maybe I just happen to have a friendly personality though most of my friends would say I have a smart*** personality.

If you believe friends aren't using each other any differently than random people teaming up because of immediate mutual benefits you're wrong. The difference between a friend and a random person is that they know their "selfless help" will be repaid at some point by having someone to talk to, do stuff with, or by knowing you'll do the same down the line.

Sorry if I burst you friend bubble. You can test this yourself, ask a friend to do something, then something else and something else and something else, all while you do nothing in return for them. See how long before that friend isn't your friend anymore.

[Camiie]

I've never had a problem making friends in the game. I've made friends EXPing, joining shouts groups, heck even coming across random people while I'm doing something on my own and we happen to be doing the same thing. I've even made friends by joining in shout fests in Jeuno though that's rare. Maybe I just happen to have a friendly personality though most of my friends would say I have a smart*** personality.

You're telling people to go out and make friends as if you can force the issue. Friends aren't made. They happen. You can make acquaintances though. Maybe that's what you mean, but you can't really rely on them.


If you believe friends aren't using each other any differently than random people teaming up because of immediate mutual benefits you're wrong. The difference between a friend and a random person is that they know their "selfless help" will be repaid at some point by having someone to talk to, do stuff with, or by knowing you'll do the same down the line.

We all have ulterior motives even if they're completely innocent and benign, but you want someone to "make friends" with a specific goal in mind. What happens when the goal is completed? You have a fake friendship built on a faulty foundation. It will almost certainly collapse, but I guess it's ok as long as someone gets their shiny. It's the same as when someone builds an LS with the pretense of getting everyone relics or emps then bails once their own is done.


Sorry if I burst you friend bubble. You can test this yourself, ask a friend to do something, then something else and something else and something else, all while you do nothing in return for them. See how long before that friend isn't your friend anymore.

You're talking to the wrong person. My "friend bubble" got burst a long time ago. And that scenario you're setting up? I would never do that to someone, because that's how I generally get treated.

[Ryce]

I don't think this idea discourages group play at all. In fact, it opens up viable groups from "players with the jobs needs for procs" to "players who wish to participate". Unless you're looking to hog seals for multiple jobs, you have no reason NOT to bring proc-less players who want your unwanted seals. Why not bring an extra healer, DD, or support job to speed things up?

[Zagen]

You're telling people to go out and make friends as if you can force the issue. Friends aren't made. They happen. You can make acquaintances though. Maybe that's what you mean, but you can't really rely on them.

Sorry I skipped a step. Do things with others, you'll make acquaintances, do things with acquaintances, soon some will make friends. It's a game intended to be played with others why not actually do that? I'm sorry it doesn't happen instantaneously but if people actually tried being social it would happen far faster than the development team gets things done.

Making friends means this and many other suggestions which are meant to help the solo player out need not be considered let alone implemented. Which means the dev team could be working on other things that we could enjoy as a whole community instead of just a small group of players.

[Fynlar]

ITT: Fynlar thinks hard and annoying are interchangable terms.

Abyssea procs are neither.

[Mirage]

That's false, as evident by people being annoyed at them.

[Fynlar]

That's false, as evident by people being annoyed at them.

People will complain about anything; it doesn't make those things inherently annoying. In fact, if anything it usually makes said people annoying.

[Demon6324236]

It's a game intended to be played with others why not actually do that?I have friends, I have LS members, I have seals I still need to get, and I have still shouted for a hour for a body seal NM because it was seals no one else needed. I am not about to force my friends to come help me with procing a NM against their will because I want some seals for some job. I understand its a game meant to be played with others but when others don't want to do what you are doing, you have a problem, this exact same problem exists with Salvage, Assaults, and a few other bits of content that requires more than yourself.

[Mirage]

People will complain about anything; it doesn't make those things inherently annoying. In fact, if anything it usually makes said people annoying.

Oh I see. Only things you find annoying are really annoying.

[Camiie]

Sorry I skipped a step. Do things with others, you'll make acquaintances, do things with acquaintances, soon some will make friends. It's a game intended to be played with others why not actually do that? I'm sorry it doesn't happen instantaneously but if people actually tried being social it would happen far faster than the development team gets things done.

You're the one who seems to be implying one can just go out and make friends. Hey I'm going out to make friends! Be back in a bit!


Making friends means this and many other suggestions which are meant to help the solo player out need not be considered let alone implemented. Which means the dev team could be working on other things that we could enjoy as a whole community instead of just a small group of players.


Oh you mean like 99 empyreans, relics, and mythics? Legion? Neo-Nyzul? Yeah... they're working real hard on making something for everyone! All they do these days is spend time on content for a small group of players instead of working on things the whole community can enjoy.

The OP is living in and making suggestions in regards to the current state of the game. The devs and many of the posters here are apparently living on Fantasy Island. You guys live in a reality that simply doesn't exist anymore.

[Fynlar]

Oh I see. Only things you find annoying are really annoying.

Most people have gotten through Abyssea and gotten the things they wanted, in many cases with fewer people than a full party, without any problem. What's yours?

From a purely objective point of view, Abyssea procs are not difficult in any way. The amount of procs is extremely limited and can be covered by a small handful of jobs depending on what kind of proc it is you want. If you want an example of a proc system that's extensive to the point of absurdity and could use some easing up here and there (example: looking at you in particular, BLU procs) look no further than Voidwatch. I have no idea why anyone would think the proc system that's already "easy mode" as far as procs go needs to be made any easier.

This thread basically reads off to me as "waaaaah I'm having a hard time soloing higher level content in a MMORPG"

[Luvbunny]

I think as many posters have stated in one way or another, there are a few type of social activities in this game:

a. Friends: you know them either in game activities, or outside the game, or slightly outside the game, meaning you often talk about real life issues other than the game and the niceties of saying hello and making conversation and giving real life advices and what not. This is the best type of social interaction, often they will help you accomplish things in the game with nothing in return other than seeing you advancing further or just enjoying your company.
b. LS mates: you know them via LS, chat via LS, do events together, but that is more or less the extend of your activities. Sometimes you do other non LS events when you share the same goal. This is good, often they are somewhat dependable.
c. People you meet randomly while doing something, either via shouts, or just happen to share similar interests or doing the same thing at the same place. This is your random chance encounter, they can either be good or somewhat unprepared. Often it is better to team up when you are doing the same thing, you can kill faster, do more procs and generally safer. The problem is many players are somewhat selfish and delusional. They refuse to team up for some reasons even when you end up better off in the long run. Granted bad experiences and meeting a bunch of a**h@#$ could ruin your good intention.

As player in this game you should have at least one of those three listed type of "friends/acquaintances/random strangers" connection. Unless you are dual triple quadruple boxing, in which case you probably can get away without engaging with any single person in the game for most of the content. It's not that it is so hard to make some sort of social connection in the game, it's just some people are to quick to make judgment or they confuse one of the three types listed above. Try to team up, the game is designed for this, and you are better off in the long run in most of cases. Or just play offline FF games.

[Luvbunny]

As for OP, you should level useful jobs: blue mage, bard, white mage, black mage, ninja, thief, dancer, beast master, summoner, warrior or monk. You can pretty much have blue/ninja + blm/whm to do hand, head, leg, feet seals. You may need at least 3-4 people for body seals. That is ONE other person you should find for most of the seals, and a good 2-3 others for the harder body seals. Most people will GLADLY team up for body seals. Often there are TONS of people farming KI by killing some of these NMS, be USEFUL, level your blm and offer to proc to keep the seals, these empyrean group more often has no need of seals. You can also scour the NMs for hand seals that drops pop items for body seals, often you see pop items farmers who have no need for the seals at all, and you basically give them a second chance for the drop. Audumbla and Tablila are often farmed for this.

You can ask your LS mates to team up. As beast master/ninja, all you need is a black mage to help you proc, or just do it yourself with one type of proc available, and hope TH1 will give you at least 1 random seal. Beastmaster is good if your thief, ninja, or dancer are somewhat severely undergeared. You can do dominion pages for random seal every vanadiel day, not optimal but beats the waiting around for nothing. There are TONS of quests you can do as well for a chance of random seals. I know several people do it this way, it's a bit less action and more boring but it is doable. Just stating OMG I can't find anybody for the life of me to help me do anything is a bit pathetic, considering there are so many ways you can solo in abyssea.

[Scuro]

Here is why Abyssea Proc cells would never happen and its rather simple:
If they did make the cells, it would be far more ridiculous in price then it would be to shout with a gil reward for a WAR or NIN to come out and proc your monster to get the KI. If you can't do it yourself, then level a job that can, and if you won't level a job that can, then pony up the gil necessary. And if you chose not to do any of those, STFU and wait for a shout.

[Demon6324236]

All of that helps with seals how?... Oh wait, it doesn't.

[Elphy]

Speaking from experience, its not the system its the playerbase. And those calling us lazy or whatever are the ones with mutliple empys, nni/+2/etc gear, all their atmas/wins/lvls and got most of it when aby was fresh and new and it was cake to find ppl to participate and help

Been back for months and still no ls, they disband within a week or two due to lack of ppl on or they have been together so long they are not taking ppl, esp those of us who do not have all our prime gear yet.

Shouting is doable, except for the fact that it is really nearly impossible to get a pt of even 3 together to hunt seals or +2 or empy items. Even VW groups are getting harder and harder to fill. Ppl get what they want/need and they dont look back and are very unwilling to help others who are in need, instead they opt to afk in pj until they so something interesting.

If you want an empy mostly you gold box farm, duo box the ki mobs or buy pop sets and either brew for drops or duo box without procs. Making gettin an empy extremely time consuming and very expensive, resulting in an inability to enjoy the rest of the game due to the empy/relic/mythic only requirement on absolutely everything. And to get your seals and +2 items or anything else, its nearly manditory to duo box or run bst.

Making friends in this game is not an easy task, just look at the responses to this thread and you will get an idea of how friendly the playerbase is, and those of us who are friendly and do want to help are hushed by the trolls.

I would like a ls that would work on things for ppl. Back before the aby-bomb we had a fantastic ls that would run dyna to build a single person a relic and after that person got their relic, they would continue to run dyna to get the next persons relic. We climbed nyzel isle multiple times to get just 1 person to floor 100. Salvage, einherjar, all the same. But after aby so many of those ppl left due to the game going into the crapper and the suddenly way overpowered playerbase.

What we need is to stop all this bs and start working together as a community. So you have 5 empys? Why not help someone get their first, its not like your doing anything other than afking in pj anyway.

I like the OP's suggestion. If nothing else it will let those of us forced to solo/duobox get at least 1 set of good gear.

[Mirage]

Here is why Abyssea Proc cells would never happen and its rather simple:
If they did make the cells, it would be far more ridiculous in price then it would be to shout with a gil reward for a WAR or NIN to come out and proc your monster to get the KI. If you can't do it yourself, then level a job that can, and if you won't level a job that can, then pony up the gil necessary. And if you chose not to do any of those, STFU and wait for a shout.
Why would they be far more expensive than paying someone to do it for you? I didn't know you had inside information from SE about how much they would cost.


Most people have gotten through Abyssea and gotten the things they wanted, in many cases with fewer people than a full party, without any problem. What's yours?

From a purely objective point of view, Abyssea procs are not difficult in any way. The amount of procs is extremely limited and can be covered by a small handful of jobs depending on what kind of proc it is you want. If you want an example of a proc system that's extensive to the point of absurdity and could use some easing up here and there (example: looking at you in particular, BLU procs) look no further than Voidwatch. I have no idea why anyone would think the proc system that's already "easy mode" as far as procs go needs to be made any easier.

This thread basically reads off to me as "waaaaah I'm having a hard time soloing higher level content in a MMORPG"

What's my problem? Nothing at all. I have enough friends in the game to cover all procs for anything whenever we are all online. It is however annoying (not to mention boring) to always have to wait for one of them, and to always have to use the same party setup. Why exactly is it a bad thing if I could use a proc reset item so that it would be viable for my blm friend could sub whm instead of brd, and I could go thf/nin instead of blu/nin or dnc/nin? Oh no, someone's asking for more variety in old content! Quickly, someone stop him!

I never thought abyssea procs were anywhere close to fun, exciting or clever game mechanics. It encourages players to use very specific job combinations, instead of having fun with the jobs they'd prefer to be on. This is boring and annoying to me, and apparently a decent chunk of other players as well. Exactly what harm would it do to you if a proc reset item was implemented? You're accusing us of whining, but what you're doing yourself is whining about other people whining. That doesn't make you much better than the rest of us.

[Fynlar]

Why would they be far more expensive than paying someone to do it for you? I didn't know you had inside information from SE about how much they would cost.

You have to remember, this is the same bunch of people that thought that letting us exchange a crystal petrifact for 100 cruor (even before they made cruor utterly worthless) was a worthwhile implementation, or that 100k gil for a single voidwatch weakening item was a fair trade. I think some educated guesses can be made on how much these hypothetical Abyssea auto-proc items would be.

[Luvbunny]

Speaking from experience, its not the system its the playerbase. And those calling us lazy or whatever are the ones with mutliple empys, nni/+2/etc gear, all their atmas/wins/lvls and got most of it when aby was fresh and new and it was cake to find ppl to participate and help

Been back for months and still no ls, they disband within a week or two due to lack of ppl on or they have been together so long they are not taking ppl, esp those of us who do not have all our prime gear yet.

I would agree with most of your posting. Making new friends are hard and easy. It is easy to meet random people due to the nature of GoV and abyssea alliance style party. But it is harder to make meaningful "online friendship". But you can't be the only person who needs seals in the server, or plus 2. Farming KI only need one or two other person. It is far more important that you are leveling jobs that are useful in farming, ninja, warrior, thf, bst, blue, smn, whm and blm. A Whm and Ninja or Warrior is all you need for KI farm. Thf + Blue + Whm all you need for charged whiskers set up. Most new returning players have no clue though, they don't bother to read up, when someone is giving them shortcut easy suggestion they ignore them and proceed leveling useless jobs in abysea farm such as dark, ranger, dragoon, etc just because they love those jobs.

Plus 2 farming is depending on your playstyle. If you want more relaxed way, make a smn + bst and have a blm (who also have a bard and blue job) to proc for you. At the very minimum, smn and blm combo can easily tank and proc, it's a bit slower kill, but less of a headache. If you rather go head on, thief, ninja, monk and dancer works fine for tanking, with a whm to cure - but you will need your proc job or go on lights day.

At the very minimum you need ONE other person to help you. Or you can dual or triple box :)

[Alerith]

Proc'ing weakness is about as inconveniencing as having to reduce a monsters HP. It's a game mechanic, and it doesn't even extend to every single NM in the game.

It's like saying that you should be able to use an item to reduce an NMs max HP because you can't be arsed to gather enough DD to kill it.

[Demon6324236]

Except all mobs in the game require that you reduce their HP really, and that most do not have a time limit so your ability to reduce a mobs HP is only limited by your own patience, strong auto-regen, or your own inability to kill it before it kills you.

[Zagen]

Except all mobs in the game require that you reduce their HP really, and that most do not have a time limit so your ability to reduce a mobs HP is only limited by your own patience, strong auto-regen, or your own inability to kill it before it kills you.
Same could be said about any Abyssea NM that doesn't rage. Or will you argue your inability to generate time by capping lights and farming chests before starting the fight?

[Demon6324236]

Except, your able to kill the NM solo, it just has a built in system designed that screw most solo players, meaning even though you can kill it you have to spam it a ton of times thanks to being unable to find other players willing to do it with you while drops are as low as singles or doubles with a 1/4 change at the one you need/want.

[Zagen]

Except, your able to kill the NM solo, it just has a built in system designed that screw most solo players, meaning even though you can kill it you have to spam it a ton of times thanks to being unable to find other players willing to do it with you while drops are as low as singles or doubles with a 1/4 change at the one you need/want.
You mean like really low drop rates on items? Or how about the NMs that drop 1 item or another and the split isn't a straight 50/50 chance?

[Demon6324236]

Low drop rates suck in general, the fact that your drop rate is tied to your ability to get 1 friend to come along to cast a few spells on it then stand there looking derpy, is also stupid.

[Zagen]

Low drop rates suck in general, the fact that your drop rate is tied to your ability to get 1 friend to come along to cast a few spells on it then stand there looking derpy, is also stupid.

Semantics, both systems arguably suck. Honestly I'd take the proc system that encourages playing with others over a system that relies on praying TH decided to be on my side.

[Demon6324236]

Depends on the situation. If others are willing to do it with me, I am all for procs, if I am doing old content no one wants to touch because they already finished it, I would rather go with better drop rates that depend on TH.

[Zagen]

Depends on the situation. If others are willing to do it with me, I am all for procs, if I am doing old content no one wants to touch because they already finished it, I would rather go with better drop rates that depend on TH.
If VW is any indicator, better drop rates will never happen. Don't get me wrong I get the point of not making everything 100% but it's such a BS artificial way to extend the life of a given event.

[Luvbunny]

The only thing great about this idea is to let us buy a pop item to pop those heavily camped NM that is on 10-15 mnts timer. I don't see any problem whatsoever on everything else, since really, you only need 1-2 other people. All hand, feet, legs, and head seals are quite easy to solo. TH really does bring much luck for random 1-2 seal drops without proc. I understand a lot of the returning players or newbies who got left in the dust during abyssea gold rush are scrambling trying to find people to team up. But honestly I hardly find it a problem for me to find random strangers trying to solo the NMs and simply ask them to team up. Having a blm and blue leveled are quite handy, as usual being versatile helps making you more useful when trying to low man abyssea.