Omg Enough with the Pet TH+.

[Vivivivi]

If you want additional treasure hunter attributes, play as thief.

[Nawesemo]

Or do like the rest of the community and /thf....... maybe?

[Caketime]

Make another thread to bitch about it. You sure showed us!

[Demon6324236]

Honestly they should just make Tarutaru Sash all jobs excluding THF & possibly RNG. Then everyone can get an augmented one with TH and have TH1, thus all jobs are on equal ground except RNG & THF of which can get TH via natural abilities/traits. In my opinion RNG shouldn't even get a form of TH, it should have just been THF exclusive unless gear adds it because it is one of the main things that gives THF a place in the game seeing as a DNC out matches it in almost every way.

[Camiie]

If you want additional treasure hunter attributes, play as thief.

If you want Enspells play RDM!

If you want to heal play WHM!

If you want to do magic damage play BLM!

If you want to shoot things play RNG!

Sometimes jobs and their roles and abilities overlap. Grow up and deal with it.

[Vivivivi]

If you want Enspells play RDM!

If you want to heal play WHM!

If you want to do magic damage play BLM!

If you want to shoot things play RNG!

Sometimes jobs and their roles and abilities overlap. Grow up and deal with it.

I said "additional".

[FrankReynolds]

Yeah, cuz if beast had a pet with TH 3 again, Dynamis would just be full of bsts and thiefs would never get invites to events again!!!

Oh wait... Dynamis is still full of bsts and no one ever invited a bst over a thf for treasure hunter. WTF is your problem again?

[Annalise]

I didn't realize how difficult it is not to read topics or posts you aren't interested in. If you're sick of any topic (not just TH) just don't open it. If it pops up in a thread, skip that post or leave the thread. It's not that difficult. No reason to have a little fit.

[Vivivivi]

I didn't realize how difficult it is not to read topics or posts you aren't interested in. If you're sick of any topic (not just TH) just don't open it. If it pops up in a thread, skip that post or leave the thread. It's not that difficult. No reason to have a little fit.

But that's what tarus do best D:

[Olor]

troll be trolling. Yawn.

[Kaisha]

Or just remove TH from the game entirely and just increase the base drop rate on everything.

Such a stupid mechanic.

[Scribble]

I heard this was the thread to get some placebo pills... I can haz?

[Shadax]

I heard this was the thread to get some placebo pills... I can haz?

Nah, just a place to up your post count. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Inertia]

Or just remove TH from the game entirely and just increase the base drop rate on everything.

Such a stupid mechanic.

Exactly, the challenge should be in getting the kill, not getting the kill 100 times before getting a reward.

[Demon6324236]

Or just remove TH from the game entirely and just increase the base drop rate on everything.

Such a stupid mechanic.

I agree with this except it would make THF the new most worthless job in the game.

[Kaisha]

I agree with this except it would make THF the new most worthless job in the game.
RDM & PUP still more worthless.

It'd force the devs to at least do something about the 1-hand dmg formula vs. 2-hand though, since BLU, NIN, THF, and DNC all fall horribly behind any 2hander when all properly geared.

[Godofgods]

The wanting of pet TH is nothing more then self interest. There really is no logical reason why a pet (or bst) should have TH. But since Bst took over dyna, they just want more and more for themselves. Thats the reason they are complaining about pet TH. Not because it makes sense.

[Camiie]

The wanting of pet TH is nothing more then self interest. There really is no logical reason why a pet (or bst) should have TH. But since Bst took over dyna, they just want more and more for themselves. Thats the reason they are complaining about pet TH. Not because it makes sense.

Yeah it's not like you can train an animal to seek out and retrieve things for you.

[Aldersyde]

The wanting of pet TH is nothing more then self interest. There really is no logical reason why a pet (or bst) should have TH. But since Bst took over dyna, they just want more and more for themselves. Thats the reason they are complaining about pet TH. Not because it makes sense.

There is a logical reason. Mobs have jobs. That's how the SE designed the game. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean there's no logic behind it.

It's a shame that players are locked into one job and can't somehow take advantage of the strengths and abilities of all the others. Oh wait....

[FrankReynolds]

The wanting of pet TH is nothing more then self interest. There really is no logical reason why a pet (or bst) should have TH. But since Bst took over dyna, they just want more and more for themselves. That's the reason they are complaining about pet TH. Not because it makes sense.

Of course it's self interest. It would be really weird if people didn't want the jobs they like to have nice things. Out of curiosity, how does a half man half beast guy dressed in 18th century middle eastern garb dual wielding scimitars and casting magic spells make any more sense than a bird that is good at finding things?

[Inertia]

The wanting of pet TH is nothing more then self interest. There really is no logical reason why a pet (or bst) should have TH. But since Bst took over dyna, they just want more and more for themselves. Thats the reason they are complaining about pet TH. Not because it makes sense.

Let's hurt a job in all aspects of the game because it's excelling at one event...that you can only do 2 hours per IRL day. Oh, and that job gets no love in any other events. Ridiculous. If you cared so much about Dynamis, it's no challenge to hop on the badwagon, level BST to 99 and buy stacks of Yuly/Falcor. Toss on Perle, congratulations, you're a bandwagon Dynamis farmer. It's an idiotic nerf and I can't believe people actually defend it. Grinding more is stupid and you're a moron for encouraging it.

[Malthar]

And what about blu's having th2 without having to /thf?! That is so broken.

[Kaisha]

TH1+1 isn't TH2.

[Arcon]

TH1+1 isn't TH2.

It isn't ?

[Malthar]

That must be the new math. These young'un's now-a-days.

[Demon6324236]

I admit that confused me as well, last I knew 1+1=2... TH3 Trait on THF(just like BLU trait)+TH4 Gear(Same as Taru Sash)=TH7 Total(Just like BLU comes to 2) so far as I know.

In either case I still stand by the idea that no job in the game should have TH except for THF due to THF's main reason for being used currently is only for TH in itself. By giving other jobs TH it simply lowers the effect a THF has and makes the job less useful, and thus in the end it can become worthless & obsolete. Were TH removed from the equation a THF would simply be a slightly more evasive DNC, but DNC would blow it out of the water in almost every other aspect leaving little to be desired on that level. And before someone comes out to tell me how DNC isn't used alot either, I know that but my point is that a THF is just a weaker DNC with TH currently so the uses a THF does have would be lost to a DNC if able, and if not then the THF would have no place without its TH anyways thus making it a worthless job all the same.

[Caketime]

I admit that confused me as well, last I knew 1+1=2... TH3 Trait on THF(just like BLU trait)+TH4 Gear(Same as Taru Sash)=TH7 Total(Just like BLU comes to 2) so far as I know.

In either case I still stand by the idea that no job in the game should have TH except for THF due to THF's main reason for being used currently is only for TH in itself. By giving other jobs TH it simply lowers the effect a THF has and makes the job less useful, and thus in the end it can become worthless & obsolete. Were TH removed from the equation a THF would simply be a slightly more evasive DNC, but DNC would blow it out of the water in almost every other aspect leaving little to be desired on that level. And before someone comes out to tell me how DNC isn't used alot either, I know that but my point is that a THF is just a weaker DNC with TH currently so the uses a THF does have would be lost to a DNC if able, and if not then the THF would have no place without its TH anyways thus making it a worthless job all the same.

You're confusing solo and group content. Pet TH was not ruining group content for anyone, it was helping BST farm materials for cooking biscuits and boiling broth for jugs. Thieves were never threatened by our Ladybug or Hippo, you're just using fatalist logic to justify your dislike for our job.

[Demon6324236]

Not really. My dislike of BST having TH is not in fact a dislike of BST having TH but rather a dislike of any job outside of THF having TH except by a form of gear. As I said earlier I think Taru Sash or an item with TH1 as it has should exist for all jobs except THF. This way every job has a small bit of it while THF is still the king. Most jobs have TH1 in some form, be it TTSash, a JA, or a Pet, this does not change the fact. I do not mean to blow it out of proportion but it is the most unique thing about a THF and its primary reason it is brought anywhere so far as I know. So to ask that it is limited to a few jobs seems reasonable on my part.

As for disliking BST, I don't so much dislike BST, I dislike the ease it has for wearing nothing but perle gear & the like, and I dislike many people I am encountered by who play the job, past that I started playing BST on my other character and find it somewhat enjoyable, and have began to use it for a number of things.

[Neisan_Quetz]

TH1+1 isn't TH2.

I'm not sure what math you're doing, but since when did 1+1 not equal 2? Are you talking binary, because that's not how most people math here.

[Caketime]

As for disliking BST, I don't so much dislike BST, I dislike the ease it has for wearing nothing but perle gear & the like, and I dislike many people I am encountered by who play the job, past that I started playing BST on my other character and find it somewhat enjoyable, and have began to use it for a number of things.

Brotip: The 5/5 Perle BST are the bad ones who use it for Dyna and nothing else. It is also quite likely that those individuals are just awful anyway regardless of job.

You'll also never see those Perle BST building -pdt axes or making a decent reward set, or succeeding at their job in any real capacity.

[Demon6324236]

Yes I know, there are simply a few things they can do with such a low grade of gear of which annoys me, nothing past that job is of any problem to me except when assholes are in control of a BST.

[Arcon]

I'm not sure what math you're doing, but since when did 1+1 not equal 2? Are you talking binary, because that's not how most people math here.

There were some theories that TH from gear didn't count as much as TH from traits, maybe that's where they got it from.

[Demon6324236]

I doubt that theory has any basis seeing as so far as I know when your TH procs higher it says in the log what level it is currently at, meaning it should effect it all the same as the level simply is higher than it was previously.

[Arcon]

I doubt that theory has any basis seeing as so far as I know when your TH procs higher it says in the log what level it is currently at, meaning it should effect it all the same as the level simply is higher than it was previously.

Agreed, just saying, it was a theory that was about a while ago. I don't subscribe to it and I'm very sure it's incorrect.

[Demon6324236]

Well in the case someone reading believes such a thing as they may have by saying that like you pointed out, I thought it would be a good idea to simply state the reasons why it makes little sense and is not likely the case.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Almost certain it was checked by using voidwatch Treasure Hunter values, sash is the same as THvalue +1

[wildsprite]

people keep going on and on about how TH1+1=TH2, it doesn't, TH2 is an entirely different ability for more rare treasures, TH1 is for common items, TH1+1 would be another roll for TH1
TH2+1 isn't TH3 either its TH2 + more TH2 rolls

TH7? are you people for real? that would either be TH1+6 or TH2+5, or TH3+4, there is no such thing as TH7 anyone who tells you different really doesn't know the job abilities and traits

[Demon6324236]

people keep going on and on about how TH1+1=TH2, it doesn't, TH2 is an entirely different ability for more rare treasures, TH1 is for common items, TH1+1 would be another roll for TH1
TH2+1 isn't TH3 either its TH2 + more TH2 rolls

Sorry but I have to say that sounds 100% wrong when looking at the fact when TH procs on an attack, meaning an Enlight animation, it shows the level of Treasure Hunter go up. If this is the case why is it the level of Treasure Hunter is equal to the amount of Treasure Hunter traits I have + the amount of Treasure Hunter + gear I have?

[wildsprite]

you are missing the whole thing with that, you have gear that enhances one of the 3 traits and the ability to enhance it occasionally with procs, that does not change TH1 into TH2 or TH3, it enhances one of the 3

if your thinking was how it worked then how come TH1+TH2+TH3 doesn't =TH6? I'll tell you why, they are 3 different traits, that is why

[Arcon]

if your thinking was how it worked then how come TH1+TH2+TH3 doesn't =TH6? I'll tell you why, they are 3 different traits, that is why

At first I thought that was sarcasm (and if it is, I fell for it, kudos), but this has me worried. TH always adds up. All the tests point that way, and all messages point that way. If you have TH3 from trait and get an upgrade on the mob, it will show TH4. If you have TH3 from trait and +3 from gear total and you get an upgrade to TH7.

[Krashport]

Thief.

Lv. 15 Job Trait = Treasure Hunter
Lv.45 Job Trait = Treasure Hunter 2
Lv.70 Thief's Knife = Treasure Hunter+1
Lv.81 Raider's Poulaines +2 = Treasure Hunter+1
Lv.90 Job Trait = Treasure Hunter 3
Lv.90 Assassin's Armlets +2 = Treasure Hunter+2

Fact: All above Proc's for TH8 when equipped, Now the total number counting each TH equals to TH10. So what I'm understanding SE made Lv.15 + Lv.45 + Lv.90 count for TH 4. Adding all the TH+ "gear" with those Traits = TH8 very Interesting....

Also on a pet proc'in note Dipper Yuly... has anyone seen it proc TH at all?

[Malthar]

Pets don't proc TH. In fact, there is a thread requesting that DipperYuley be able to proc TH.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/27170-Pet-th-Just-hear-me-out

[Arcon]

Fact: All above Proc's for TH8 when equipped, Now the total number counting each TH equals to TH10. So what I'm understanding SE made Lv.15 + Lv.45 + Lv.90 count for TH 4. Adding all the TH+ "gear" with those Traits = TH8 very Interesting....

TH tiers don't add up higher levels. Each level adds 1 TH tier. So a naked Lv.90 (or higher) THF has TH3, not TH4 or TH6 or anything else.

[Demon6324236]

You see SE, this is what you invite in when you don't tell the player base how shit works in your game. Treasure Hunter is actually probably very simple yet we have no flipping idea what it really does in the end or how it works fundamentally with gear you associate with it.

[Kristal]

You see SE, this is what you invite in when you don't tell the player base how shit works in your game. Treasure Hunter is actually probably very simple yet we have no flipping idea what it really does in the end or how it works fundamentally with gear you associate with it.

I think we have a pretty good understanding of TH, even if we don't know the inner workings exactly.
TH1, 2 and 3 traits increase number of drops (when applicable), and each trait counts as "Treasure Hunter" +1 to increase the chance of each drop slot as well. THF main can increase an existing TH effect through an additional effect weapon proc.

[Camiie]

Not really. My dislike of BST having TH is not in fact a dislike of BST having TH but rather a dislike of any job outside of THF having TH except by a form of gear.

Jugs are gear. Consumable Ammo.



As I said earlier I think Taru Sash or an item with TH1 as it has should exist for all jobs except THF. This way every job has a small bit of it while THF is still the king. Most jobs have TH1 in some form, be it TTSash, a JA, or a Pet, this does not change the fact. I do not mean to blow it out of proportion but it is the most unique thing about a THF and its primary reason it is brought anywhere so far as I know. So to ask that it is limited to a few jobs seems reasonable on my part.

But even at TH3, BST was never a threat to THF. No one goes into an event needing Treasure Hunter and says, "Let's go with a BST instead of a THF. TH3 is all we need."


As for disliking BST, I don't so much dislike BST, I dislike the ease it has for wearing nothing but perle gear & the like, and I dislike many people I am encountered by who play the job, past that I started playing BST on my other character and find it somewhat enjoyable, and have began to use it for a number of things.

I've run into lots of people playing every single job and found all manner of jerks, incompetents, and weirdos. I've run into people who perform well in subpar gear on every job as well. Take each person as an individual, and don't assume wholesale changes need to be made for the behavior of a few. You end up hurting the people doing it right more than the lazy selfish jerks.

[Krashport]

TH tiers don't add up higher levels. Each level adds 1 TH tier. So a naked Lv.90 (or higher) THF has TH3, not TH4 or TH6 or anything else.

LOL?... Take your naked Lv90+THF out and see what procs I bet you'll PROC TH4 not TH3.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/27352-hey-Devs-how-about-a-real-explaination-on-TH-please

[Arcon]

LOL?... Take your naked Lv90+THF out and see what procs I bet you'll PROC TH4 not TH3.

TH doesn't proc. TH upgrades proc.


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/27352-hey-Devs-how-about-a-real-explaination-on-TH-please

See my reply (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/27352-hey-Devs-how-about-a-real-explaination-on-TH-please?p=362343&viewfull=1#post362343).

[Plasticleg]

it's kinda sad that there's still a plethora of players who still have theories about TH levels with gear and traits...

SE even let us see the trait level up on mobs, now...get with it

[Godofgods]

There is a logical reason. Mobs have jobs. That's how the SE designed the game. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean there's no logic behind it.

Jobs, yes. But mobs don't always have access to all their jobs abilities and traits do they? I cant remember the last time i fought a thf type mob and it stole something from me.

But lets continue that line of thought. Lets give the thf pets or charmed mobs a good TH value. But all thf mobs in the game would have to get TH too, to even the field. And any time a player is defeated by a thf mob, they have increased chance of losing something in their inventory, be it an item or a equipment. Fair is fair right?

[Elexia]

Unrelated bullshit

And sometimes people take what SE says as something completely different, they never promised pet TH gear, so take your own advice:


Grow up and deal with it.

[Demon6324236]

Promise, no, imply they would at a later date add some, yes. Thanks to Tarutaru Sash which is a piece of gear for jobs outside of THF with Treasure Hunter on it, many people likely thought by them saying they would possibly add items for it in the future that they would actually do it and it wasn't just a simple possibility.

[Camiie]

And sometimes people take what SE says as something completely different, they never promised pet TH gear, so take your own advice:

If you're going to quote me then quote me. Don't put words I didn't type under my name. Don't alter what someone else wrote in any way. You know better than that.

They are the ones that mentioned players being able to increase a pet's treasure hunter via gear. That gear does not currently exist. Why even bring it up if there were no plans for it to be implemented? What was it all just a big troll by the devs? I guess you're cool with that, but I prefer to hold them to their word.

[Aldersyde]

Jobs, yes. But mobs don't always have access to all their jobs abilities and traits do they? I cant remember the last time i fought a thf type mob and it stole something from me.

But lets continue that line of thought. Lets give the thf pets or charmed mobs a good TH value. But all thf mobs in the game would have to get TH too, to even the field. And any time a player is defeated by a thf mob, they have increased chance of losing something in their inventory, be it an item or a equipment. Fair is fair right?

I'm pretty sure all mobs have access to their respective job's traits, some are just more noticeable and easier to test for than others. If you charm a wild lady bug, it's pretty obvious it has gilfinder (because its been tested and buried in the BG forums somewhere and it was the confirmation of gilfinder that led to speculation that they also possessed TH) if you fight beastmen mobs with it, bst beastmen mobs have killer effects, war mobs have the double attack trait, thf mobs have the triple attack trait, etc. The point of my post was to demonstrate that there was logic and reason to Yuly having the TH trait, because SE assigns jobs to mob families (and therefore their traits), and therefore to bst pets. That's just how SE made mob mechanics. I can't see any reason for you to nitpick my post other than to be obtuse. So good going, you got me to respond...congrats I guess.

If you really think players losing items when they are defeated by monsters is a good idea, lobby SE to get it implemented. I'm sure some sadist at SE HQ would think it would be fabulous idea to make players grind for the same pieces of gear over and over again through such a system. You really should be careful what you write on these forums.

[Nawesemo]

I'm pretty sure all mobs have have access to their respective job's traits, some are just more noticeable and easier to test for than others. If you charm a wild lady bug, it's pretty obvious it has gilfinder (because its been tested and buried in the BG forums somewhere and it was the confirmation of gilfinder that led to speculation that they also possessed TH) if you fight beastmen mobs with it, bst beastmen mobs have killer effects, war mobs have the double attack trait, thf mobs have the triple attack trait, etc. The point of my post was to demonstrate that there was logic and reason to Yuly having the TH trait, because SE assigns jobs to mob families (and therefore their traits), and therefore to bst pets. That's just how SE made mob mechanics. I can't see any reason for you to nitpick my post other than to be obtuse. So good going, you got me to respond...congrats I guess.

If you really think players losing items when they are defeated by monsters is a good idea, lobby SE to get it implemented. I'm sure some sadist at SE HQ would think it would be fabulous idea to make players grind for the same pieces of gear over and over again through such a system. You really should be careful what you write on these forums.

/em leads a thunderous applause

[Camiie]

Jobs, yes. But mobs don't always have access to all their jobs abilities and traits do they? I cant remember the last time i fought a thf type mob and it stole something from me.

But lets continue that line of thought. Lets give the thf pets or charmed mobs a good TH value. But all thf mobs in the game would have to get TH too, to even the field. And any time a player is defeated by a thf mob, they have increased chance of losing something in their inventory, be it an item or a equipment. Fair is fair right?

As of now we don't lose items at all when defeated, so you are proposing an increase to something that doesn't exist as a game mechanic? Sure, sign me up then. Increase the non-existent thingy all you like. Infinity times zero is still zero.