Mog Satchels

[Scuro]

Will these ever be made available to players that didn't purchase a token, because now it seems you can't even purchase a token to receive this extra storage, and god knows I want it. So please inform me on a way by which I can receive +Inventory Space?

[Imarian]

They were still for sale last month as thats when i ordered mine. Did you need help finding how to order it bud?

[Krashport]

We should be given the Inventory Space, Shouldn't have to pay for it. The security token is for "security" stop being a sheep and buy Norton if you're on PC.

[Modoru]

Norton? You're not very computer savvy, are you?

[Krashport]

Norton? You're not very computer savvy, are you?

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[Modoru]

Oh, um, sorry. Norton is probably as secure as having paper for a fence around your home. s:

[Krashport]

Oh, um, sorry. Norton is probably as secure as having paper for a fence around your home. s:
Sounds like you had bad luck with Norton in the past, it has gotten a lot better. But I appreciate your input. ^^

[Elexia]

Sounds like you had bad luck with Norton in the past, it has gotten a lot better. But I appreciate your input. ^^

How much are they paying you?

[Modoru]

Sounds like you had bad luck with Norton in the past, it has gotten a lot better. But I appreciate your input. ^^


How much are they paying you?
Lol, yeah. they're still pretty bad overall and are severely behind. It's not a personal experience, it's general concensus. (' ';

[Kristal]

We should be given the Inventory Space, Shouldn't have to pay for it. The security token is for "security" stop being a sheep and buy Norton if you're on PC.

Just buy the damn token already. People would have paid that amount for just 8 inventory slots, but you get -->80<-- AND an added layer of security!

If you don't buy the token out of principle, then don't complain about not getting it's benefits either.

[Demon6324236]

I bought the token, then removed it from my account. You still get the space without the annoyance of having to use the stupid thing every time you log on. Myself however, I think it was stupid to begin with, if you want extra protection, then it should be for extra protection, if you want extra inventory, it should be in game already, no reason to make it like they did, it felt like I was being ripped off because the only thing I wanted was the inventory space, which I shouldn't have to pay real money for. Its even worse than the gimmicky add-ons for games where you get extra outfits or something, because this is actually very helpful rather than just cosmetic.

[Frost]

Not to jump on the dogpile/detrail here.. But Norton is pretty bloated and ineffective as far as anti-virus go...

Please note that the "bigger" names in antivirus are actually targets for virus writers as well.

There's several antivirus that offer better protection, either for free, or much more efficiently.

My personal vote is for Eset, more commonly known as "NOD-32". It's footprint is exceptionally small, both on your HDD and in memory, the heuristics are best in class, nothing tops its 'zero-day' detection, on that it updates on a push system, if there's something new discovered, it's automatically updated that second.

As well it's got the rare rebuilding of the product when they add features. What I mean by that, is that everything is done in house and added to the core of the program to run more efficiently. For instance, say when Norton decides it wants to add better a firewall, it usually buys a company that does good firewalls, then shoehorns in the product of said company on top of the software suite; where Eset integrates those features completely at the core.

I can't stress it enough, Eset has practically no overhead when operating, but it does cost a decent amount...

Also worth noting, the Microsoft Security Essentials that you can get for free, you have to download it thanks to anti-competition laws, gets really high marks as well, and it gets integrated into the core of your system. My only gripe is the quirky 'debugging' you end up having to do on a fresh install.


All that is neither here nor there...

Buy the damn token for fucks sake...

[Catmato]

Off topic:


Also worth noting, the Microsoft Security Essentials that you can get for free, you have to download it thanks to anti-competition laws, gets really high marks as well, and it gets integrated into the core of your system. My only gripe is the quirky 'debugging' you end up having to do on a fresh install.

I like MSE, but I had severe issues with it and FFXI. It was scanning every .dat file that FFXI was using, and made the game nearly unplayabble. NPCs and interior rooms would take minutes to load. It was necessary for me to add the POL folder to the excluded files and folders list.

On topic:


Buy the damn token for fucks sake...
Do this.

[Yokai]

There's a reason for why Norton's security program has gained the nickname "Norton Virus" among the IT community.

As for the security token and mog satchel - it's pretty clear when they released the security token SE was dealing with a significant issue regarding account hackings, and determined the best course of action was to induce mass adoption of security tokens among the FFXI community. They found the best way to do this was to give a significant incentive - in this case, the Mog Satchel - while making the cost to purchase small enough to encourage the impulse buy.

I doubt SE is going to remove this pro-security token incentive.

[Arcon]

I thought you couldn't buy the token at all at the present? That's how I understood the OP. I'd also love to get the satchel without this thing, nothing you buy outside of the game should be related to in-game benefits, especially huge ones like these. My mule could really use the extra inventory by now.

[Morier]

My mule could really use the extra inventory by now.

Then stop crying here and spend 10 bucks.

[Demon6324236]

There's a reason for why Norton's security program has gained the nickname "Norton Virus" among the IT community.

As for the security token and mog satchel - it's pretty clear when they released the security token SE was dealing with a significant issue regarding account hackings, and determined the best course of action was to induce mass adoption of security tokens among the FFXI community. They found the best way to do this was to give a significant incentive - in this case, the Mog Satchel - while making the cost to purchase small enough to encourage the impulse buy.

I doubt SE is going to remove this pro-security token incentive.

The problem with that idea is that if you want the inventory, you can call up and remove your token as soon as you put it on, and you keep the Mog Satchel. This is what I did because I find the token more of an annoyance than a helpful security measure. I myself neither have something worth being hacked to obtain, nor do I act so badly that someone would wish to hack me, so its not really useful to me in any way.

Honestly an extra security measure should be sold as an extra security measure, not as something you buy for something in game. Besides, isn't one of the complained about things in the game a shortage of inventory space? Removing the need for a token would kill the complaint from some people for a week or so I would think.

[Demon6324236]

Then stop crying here and spend 10 bucks.

Its that kind of idea that allows all kinds of companies to charge extra money for content that could, or should, already be in a game, a cause of many complains in the gaming industry itself in recent years.

nothing you buy outside of the game should be related to in-game benefitsI agree with this except I am ok with things being like this that are simply cosmetic, such as the wands that allow you to become a Mandragora, those are ok, but things like inventory space, which improve gameplay and expand the game for you, no.

[Yokai]

Will these ever be made available to players that didn't purchase a token, because now it seems you can't even purchase a token to receive this extra storage, and god knows I want it. So please inform me on a way by which I can receive +Inventory Space?


I thought you couldn't buy the token at all at the present? That's how I understood the OP. I'd also love to get the satchel without this thing, nothing you buy outside of the game should be related to in-game benefits, especially huge ones like these. My mule could really use the extra inventory by now.

I think I understand the issue here. Originally you would purchase the Security Token through the PlayOnline viewer, yes? That is no longer available, but there is a new method now.

The new method for purchasing a security token is not immediately obvious, it takes a bit of poking around to find it.
What you do is:
A) Log in at https://secure.square-enix.com/account
A1) Select "One-Time Password" under 'Services and Options' on the left side of the screen. (You may need to scroll down to see it.)
B) You should now be at the URL https://secure.square-enix.com/account/app/svc/accSvc. Here you will see a link to read about one-time passwords and two options: "Security Token Usage Settings" and "Purchase a Square Enix Security Token".
B1) Select "Purchase a Square Enix Security Token" and click 'Next'.
B2) Now, read through and accept the Security Token Terms of Use agreement (or scroll to the bottom of it if you can't be bothered to know what you're agreeing to), check the 'I accept' box, and click 'Next'.
C) You're now looking at a screen that will say the price of the Security Token and ask you to select your country.
C1) After you select your country, input your shipping information. You should probably double-check and make sure you didn't mis-select your country. Then click 'Confirm Entered Data'.
C2) Look over your information. There's a grey 'Edit' button you'll want to use if anything's even slightly off. If it all checks out, click 'Next'.
D) PAYMENT! This is where things get annoying. You have two payment options: Click-and-Buy, or Crysta. If you choose the wrong one by mistake, go back to step A1.
D1) If you purchase it with Crysta, it's 999 Crysta. If you don't have enough, you're going to have to go buy some Crysta and then go back to step A1.

Alright I can't give step-by-step beyond that point as I'm not buying an actual Security Token or Crysta right now and I'm not touching ClickandBuy. But if you get to this step it's just a matter of giving SE your money and you should be set, aside from waiting for the damn thing to arrive through the mail.

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Once you receive your Security Token, go back to the account management login, and select "One Time Password" again. This time, select "Security Token Usage Settings" instead of "Purchase a Square Enix Security Token", then select "Security Token Registration". Agree to the terms of use again. Punch in your security token's Serial Number (the webpage shows where to find that) and punch in your security token's current one-time password and quickly hit Next before it changes.

(Again, can't give directions past this point, but it should be easy enough.)

Of course you will then need to edit your PlayOnline login to include the One-Time Password setting. Log in and *BAM!* instant extra storage.

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After you confirm you have your storage you can remove the security token... but if you do and your account gets hacked, you have only yourself to blame, no yelling at SE because you removed the security token your own damn self.

Of course, using the security token is a constant-though-minor hassle, so it's up to you to decide where you stand on the security-versus-convenience spectrum[/SIZE].

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I thought you couldn't buy the token at all at the present? That's how I understood the OP. I'd also love to get the satchel without this thing, nothing you buy outside of the game should be related to in-game benefits, especially huge ones like these. My mule could really use the extra inventory by now.

As a matter of principle, I agree with you that nothing purchased outside of the game should provide meaningful (non-cosmetic) in-game benefits. However, while I disagree with SE's decision to make a form of item storage available only through purchase of a security token, I understand why they made the decision they did - and I can see that their decision is not unreasonable, especially considering SE may not hold the same principles that I do.

ALso... only your mule needs the extra inventory? Do you have a security token on your main character that is not applying to your mule, or simply don't need the space on your main character?

[Nawesemo]

Very informative post.



It irks me that you get the space after buying , and can retain the space after deactivating the token. Shoot make it cost 5 mil gil, but should be available to players with small pockets..... 5mil will keep em playing, AND help with the rampant inflation going on.

[Krashport]

You guys can use any security measures you want, Norton was just a suggestion. The whole point to this is the OP is talking about the security token but the thread is titled Mog Satchels. Which leads you can honestly tell which one OP wants to buy. We all should band together more and stop letting the man tell us how high.

[Salvation]

I would be fine with SE implementing the mog satchel into the game for everyone regardless of whether they purchased the token or not. Provided they also implement a policy in which accounts that do not have an active security token cannot be restored in the event of a hacking. If people want to forgo utilizing a simple and relatively inexpensive security measure to help further safeguard their account that's fine with me. However, the rest of us should not be made to incur the cost of their carelessness should something happen.



Edit: spelling

[Arcon]

Then stop crying here and spend 10 bucks.


I thought you couldn't buy the token at all at the present?

Just that.


ALso... only your mule needs the extra inventory? Do you have a security token on your main character that is not applying to your mule, or simply don't need the space on your main character?

I bought a security token for my main to enable the satchel, then deactivated it again. My mule is on the same SE account, but no idea how ordering a new security token for the same account while my main already had one would work. As of now, she does not have Mog Satchel access. Or can I retroactively activate the Mog Satchel on my mule, if I already had the token for my main once?

[Yokai]

I bought a security token for my main to enable the satchel, then deactivated it again. My mule is on the same SE account, but no idea how ordering a new security token for the same account while my main already had one would work. As of now, she does not have Mog Satchel access. Or can I retroactively activate the Mog Satchel on my mule, if I already had the token for my main once?

Sorry for picking apart your post, but let me parse this so I can better address it:

How do I order a new security token? I've already had one and it triggered a Satchel on my main character.
You should be able to do this exactly the same way you would if you had never ordered a security token. Take a look at my previous post (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/27103-Mog-Satchels?p=359379&viewfull=1#post359379) for the details on that. You might not need to buy an additional Security Token, though, if you still have your original security token you MIGHT be able to reactivate it as if you had never activated it, given the assumption that it has been deregistered from your Square-Enix account.

My main character has the Mog Satchel. Can I retroactively activate the Mog Satchel on my mule?
Not retroactively, but yes. The Satchel access is triggered upon character login, when you have a security token registered to your SE account. So if you re-register your existing Security Token (if it's still around, assuming re-registry is possible) or a new Security Token, you'll be set.


I hope I've addressed your concerns here. Please let me know if I missed anything.

[Arcon]

I hope I've addressed your concerns here. Please let me know if I missed anything.

Nah, thanks for the reply. I think I threw it away, though, so may need to reorder.

[Kristal]

Provided they also implement a policy in which accounts that do not have an active security token cannot be restored in the event of a hacking.

I think that is already a policy. If your account is compromised in a way that would have been prevented by the security token, don't expect much courtesy from SE.

Paying (a one time fee) for extra storage space isn't even a new thing in online games... it's practically in every game that uses slots for item storage, especially F2P games.

It's not even like there aren't alternatives... can't afford the $10/once? Get a $1/month mule! Not as convenient, but you can get 15 of them before running out of char slots.

[Demon6324236]

Funny how everyone defends the stupidity of SE charging extra money on top of the monthly fees just for some inventory space.

[Masekase]

I would be fine with SE implementing the mog satchel into the game for everyone regardless of whether they purchased the token or not. Provided they also implement a policy in which accounts that do not have an active security token cannot be restored in the event of a hacking. If people want to forgo utilizing a simple and relatively inexpensive security measure to help further safeguard their account that's fine with me. However, the rest of us should not be made to incur the cost of their carelessness should something happen.



Edit: spelling

They already do without token you get one rollback. The guarantee with having a token is if you are ever hacked you can get a rollback.

[Scuro]

I think I understand the issue here. Originally you would purchase the Security Token through the PlayOnline viewer, yes? That is no longer available, but there is a new method now.

The new method for purchasing a security token is not immediately obvious, it takes a bit of poking around to find it.
What you do is:
A) Log in at https://secure.square-enix.com/account
A1) Select "One-Time Password" under 'Services and Options' on the left side of the screen. (You may need to scroll down to see it.)
B) You should now be at the URL https://secure.square-enix.com/account/app/svc/accSvc. Here you will see a link to read about one-time passwords and two options: "Security Token Usage Settings" and "Purchase a Square Enix Security Token".
B1) Select "Purchase a Square Enix Security Token" and click 'Next'.
B2) Now, read through and accept the Security Token Terms of Use agreement (or scroll to the bottom of it if you can't be bothered to know what you're agreeing to), check the 'I accept' box, and click 'Next'.
C) You're now looking at a screen that will say the price of the Security Token and ask you to select your country.
C1) After you select your country, input your shipping information. You should probably double-check and make sure you didn't mis-select your country. Then click 'Confirm Entered Data'.
C2) Look over your information. There's a grey 'Edit' button you'll want to use if anything's even slightly off. If it all checks out, click 'Next'.
D) PAYMENT! This is where things get annoying. You have two payment options: Click-and-Buy, or Crysta. If you choose the wrong one by mistake, go back to step A1.
D1) If you purchase it with Crysta, it's 999 Crysta. If you don't have enough, you're going to have to go buy some Crysta and then go back to step A1.

Alright I can't give step-by-step beyond that point as I'm not buying an actual Security Token or Crysta right now and I'm not touching ClickandBuy. But if you get to this step it's just a matter of giving SE your money and you should be set, aside from waiting for the damn thing to arrive through the mail.

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Once you receive your Security Token, go back to the account management login, and select "One Time Password" again. This time, select "Security Token Usage Settings" instead of "Purchase a Square Enix Security Token", then select "Security Token Registration". Agree to the terms of use again. Punch in your security token's Serial Number (the webpage shows where to find that) and punch in your security token's current one-time password and quickly hit Next before it changes.

(Again, can't give directions past this point, but it should be easy enough.)

Of course you will then need to edit your PlayOnline login to include the One-Time Password setting. Log in and *BAM!* instant extra storage.

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After you confirm you have your storage you can remove the security token... but if you do and your account gets hacked, you have only yourself to blame, no yelling at SE because you removed the security token your own damn self.

Of course, using the security token is a constant-though-minor hassle, so it's up to you to decide where you stand on the security-versus-convenience spectrum[/SIZE].

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As a matter of principle, I agree with you that nothing purchased outside of the game should provide meaningful (non-cosmetic) in-game benefits. However, while I disagree with SE's decision to make a form of item storage available only through purchase of a security token, I understand why they made the decision they did - and I can see that their decision is not unreasonable, especially considering SE may not hold the same principles that I do.

ALso... only your mule needs the extra inventory? Do you have a security token on your main character that is not applying to your mule, or simply don't need the space on your main character?

YOU ARE THE BEST! Thank you Galkan brother! Thats what I was looking for, all the trolls in here saying "just throw down the 10 dollars!" Thats not the problem, I bought the Tidal Talisman, I don't care about throwing down a penny for this game, I just need to know where to throw my change at, and this post clearly has said it all, thank you!!!

[Godofgods]

I think many ppl are missing the point of the Mog Satchel. It wasn't designed just so ppl can have more room. If thats all it was and they tried to sell that to us for real money, then i would agree, thats a bit much.

Now what security measures you take is up to you. But SE was having a lot of problems with hacked accounts. So the security token was implemented to help counter that. The thing is, just offering that token wouldn't be enough. Most ppl still wouldn't get it. People like to believe "it hasn't happened to me, so it never will' type line of thought.

So an incentive had to be given. One that make the player base at large get this item. And inventory room is one thing that most every player would agree on wanting more of. So it was designed as an incentive to get ppl to order the token. And along the same line of thought as before, 'everythings already set up so i could get satchel... mine as well use the token i have' comes into play.

So SE isn't trying to screw you over with the satchel. Believe it or not, they are trying to help you with this setup.



Side note: I cant count the amount of ppl that bought the token just so they can have the extra room from the satchel. Which is exactly why it was desiged in the first place!

[Arcon]

So SE isn't trying to screw you over with the satchel. Believe it or not, they are trying to help you with this setup.

I am very sure they have the best of intentions. Their execution is what's usually flawed. We know what they were trying to achieve, but it still wasn't the right way to go about it.

[Salvation]

I am very sure they have the best of intentions. Their execution is what's usually flawed. We know what they were trying to achieve, but it still wasn't the right way to go about it.

You would rather they passed the extra cost associated with having to investigate and rollback hacked accounts onto the subscribers in the form of a monthly rate increase? Honestly I'm amazed that people in this game were so eager to give SE $50 for some ugly costume jewelry simply because it came with an in-game item that saved an occasional 10 - 15 minutes of travel time, but are so adamantly convinced that the $10 security token was a cash grab by SE.

[Arcon]

You would rather they passed the extra cost associated with having to investigate and rollback hacked accounts onto the subscribers in the form of a monthly rate increase?

No, on a per-case basis.


Honestly I'm amazed that people in this game were so eager to give SE $50 for some ugly costume jewelry simply because it came with an in-game item that saved an occasional 10 - 15 minutes of travel time, but are so adamantly convinced that the $10 security token was a cash grab by SE.

It was $10 for the jewelry, and just like the token I got it only for the in-game reward item, and I think both were equally shady RMT acts by SE. Trading real money for in-game benefits.

[Karbuncle]

Why not just let us buy it in Game for 1 Million gil? So you have two options

1) Protect your Account - Get it free

2) Spend 1 Mil gil, Still able to get it.

Seems like a fair all around solution. You have a way to get it in game, and out of game.

[Dohati]

bought the token; DCed a birrion times; got sick of having to go get it every 15min; deactivated it; inventory space alone still worth the money.

EDIT: also, i wear the now useless keychain on my jacket through a buttonhole near the collar. nice conversation piece for ffxi enthusiasts.

[Salvation]

It was $10 for the jewelry, and just like the token I got it only for the in-game reward item, and I think both were equally shady RMT acts by SE. Trading real money for in-game benefits.

Actually the selling price set forth by SE was $42.99 --> http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/topics/special/080818.html
While I can understand your point of view on the subject, the point I'm trying to convey is that the token still served the overall purpose of safeguarding your account. I'll agree with your previous sentiment that it could have been handled in a better way, but that was the extra incentive they chose to entice players into taking that extra security measure. All in all, at this point I would find it perfectly acceptable to add another means of making the satchel acquirable through in-game means. FFXI accounts don't fetch the prices they once did, making our accounts less attractive to would-be hackers.

[Demon6324236]

If you want security, you should be able to just buy security, incentive doesn't work well when thats the only reason you buy it in the 1st place, and throw away the real item. Its like ordering something off a commercial because they offer a free toaster, and all you want is the toaster, sure it comes with this other thing you paid for, but you just throw that away because you only wanted your toaster.

[wildsprite]

you all do know the security token while it might seem a pain benefits you in more than one way
1 it gives you an extra layer of security that while not perfect gives you a guarantee if you are hacked with it on you will get a roll back
2 if you try to access the game from a different IP pool with it you wont be sent through hoops to get access again(they added something new that if you try to access the game from a different IP pool it will lock you out till you confirm your account, this happened to a friend)
3. you get a Bonus item, that's right a bonus item: the Mog Satchel

some of you are acting as though SE is being unreasonable with the token, as someone who was hacked and lost most of her in game valuables I certainly don't think so, SE did not have to add the token for us, they chose to, personally I'm glad they did, if you get one I suggest you keep it even if you think its a pain, I would have spent the money for it even if the satchel was not included with it just for the peace of mind

[Kristal]

bought the token; DCed a birrion times; got sick of having to go get it every 15min; deactivated it; inventory space alone still worth the money.

You got so many trojans and virusses on your PC that half the world's porn flows through your system, yet you blame the token for DCing you and REMOVE the only functional security you had?

[Demon6324236]

2 if you try to access the game from a different IP pool with it you wont be sent through hoops to get access again(they added something new that if you try to access the game from a different IP pool it will lock you out till you confirm your account, this happened to a friend)

I have never once experienced this problem.

[Krashport]

you all do know the security token while it might seem a pain benefits you in more than one way
1 it gives you an extra layer of security that while not perfect gives you a guarantee if you are hacked with it on you will get a roll back
2 if you try to access the game from a different IP pool with it you wont be sent through hoops to get access again(they added something new that if you try to access the game from a different IP pool it will lock you out till you confirm your account, this happened to a friend)
3. you get a Bonus item, that's right a bonus item: the Mog Satchel

some of you are acting as though SE is being unreasonable with the token, as someone who was hacked and lost most of her in game valuables I certainly don't think so, SE did not have to add the token for us, they chose to, personally I'm glad they did, if you get one I suggest you keep it even if you think its a pain, I would have spent the money for it even if the satchel was not included with it just for the peace of mind

You might be missing the point, We're fine with the security token and the extra security. But some of us just don't want it, Have better security or just don't want the hassle among other reasons. The point is SE maybe shouldn't have tied the security token with the Mog Satchel, 95% YES! Just a random % I pulled out of my refrigerator but... "I" feel 95% of those that bought the Security token, Got it for the Mog Satchel and not for the extra Security. Come on there is so many hoops logging into Final Fantasy XI as it is.... and I think most of us are not alright with that.

[Yokai]

If 95% of those that purchased the Security Token for the Mog Satchel, then it has done its job as an incentive to convince those people to buy the Security Token.

The real question is, what percentage of those players, after purchasing the Security Token for the Mog Satchel, then kept the Security Token linked and used it?

I'm willing to bet it was more than 0%, which means the Mog Satchel has done its job as an incentive to convince players to add two-factor authentication to their account.

[Kristal]

If 95% of those that purchased the Security Token for the Mog Satchel, then it has done its job as an incentive to convince those people to buy the Security Token.

The real question is, what percentage of those players, after purchasing the Security Token for the Mog Satchel, then kept the Security Token linked and used it?

I'm willing to bet it was more than 0%, which means the Mog Satchel has done its job as an incentive to convince players to add two-factor authentication to their account.

It's probably closer to 99%. After a few days, using the token becomes second nature. Maybe one of the community reps could dig up the info about % of secured accounts and how many of the unsecured accounts have mog satchels.

[Demon6324236]

Also has a matter of how long they work. I bought mine & used it up till it broke which was about 3 months after I got it. They told me I had to buy another if I wanted the token itself but I could remove it if I wanted, and not have to bother with getting another, so I did. If they break and all you wanted was the MogSat I doubt you would get another. So try to also take into account how many bought another after the 1st broke.

[Kristal]

So try to also take into account how many bought another after the 1st broke.

Defects/damage could indeed end the life of a token prematurely, but mine has been working like a charm. (And I got the FFXIV one as backup if need be.)