Next review date for servers, Tues 22nd JST

[Xeth]

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnews/news20547.shtml


Below is an update regarding the temporary suspension of the FINAL FANTASY XIV, FINAL FANTASY XI, and PlayOnline services.

Originally, we announced that the services will be temporarily suspended for about a week starting on Mar. 13, 2011 3:00 (PDT). However, due to ongoing issues with the lack of energy, we have decided to extend the suspension until Mar. 22, 2011 (JST). We will re-evaluate the situation on Mar. 22, 2011 (JST) and provide everyone with another update regarding this matter.

We deeply apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, and thank you for your continued understanding of this unusual situation.

[Date & Time]
From Mar. 13, 2011 3:00 (PDT)

[Affected Service]
- FINAL FANTASY XIV
- FINAL FANTASY XI
- PlayOnline

* The following services, normally accessible from the official PlayOnline homepage (http://www.playonline.com/), will be unavailable during this time.

- Friend List Plus
- FINAL FANTASY XI Linkshell Community Beta Version
- PlayOnline Friend List Application
- Community Site Link Registration: Owner Menu

* Additionally, the following types of support will also be temporarily unavailable:
- PlayOnline Password Recovery
- PlayOnline Account Cancellation
- All activities requiring the confirmation of personal information

[rog]

Didn't see this coming.

[slakyak]

Ho hum... at least we'll have an update on the situation soonish either way.

Can you imagine how mad it's going to be when the servers come back up?? /shudder

[PizzaTheHut]

Ho hum... at least we'll have an update on the situation soonish either way.

Can you imagine how mad it's going to be when the servers come back up?? /shudder

I think I'm mostly looking forward to seeing the auction with no items on it :eek:

[Anon]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

[Vivivivi]

Thank you SE for the update.

[Cream_Soda]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.
Lol, your "talents" hahahahahahahahahahaha

[Vivivivi]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.
See you later.

[LeaderofAtlantis]

Whatever it takes for them to help their fellow countrymen at this hard time.

[Macrom]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

Looks like the game will be better already....

[Flyinghippress]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.
Lol, so you expect SE to create power out of their asses?


Looks like the game will be better already....
Yup!

[Anon]

I merely shared my discontent with the situation. So all you fanboys keep posting and aiming at me. Check this out... I gear swap and believe in haste gear as well.

[Randwolf]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.
Didn't know you could post anon. Hope S/E can connect this to your account and hold you to it.

Lol, so you expect SE to create power out of their asses?
Actually, we haven't explored this idea. As Methane gas is combustible.

[Jalonis]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

He's going to be flamed, and I'm going to be flamed. But as soon as the servers were taken down, people should have been on the phone with alternative hosting sites seeing how quickly they could be set up and ready to receive data. Instead, in complete disregard for standard disaster planning and recovering, SE decides to sit on their thumbs.

[Anon]

And the name was available. How could I not take it? Of course they can link it to my account. But when I made it last week I had the intention of posting in some of the GLORIOUS threads you guys have here. But I didn't want the level of general... what's the word here... let's just call it the "special" way the majority of the posters here think and approach the game... to follow me in game. My point is still valid. Something could have been done and wasn't. Nor will there be anything done. So why should we wait for another month? Have you seen the news? Do you not see how bad it really is? Do you really think the power supply will be stable on the 22nd.? Really? Hahahahaaaaaaaa

[katoplepa]

the power will not be stable on the 22nd and maybe we will have to wait another long time, end of april perhaps...
anyway, this is an exceptional situation and the country is involved to keep the power for other things more important than a videogame, I don't care if I have to wait a month or two, I'll wait and I'll be back when servers will go up again...
it's worth to wait for FF.

[Shinjikoto]

I merely shared my discontent with the situation. So all you fanboys keep posting and aiming at me. Check this out... I gear swap and believe in haste gear as well.

The fact that you would compare people being offended by your lack of understanding for a country during a time of national crisis where people's lives are being lost to bickering over virtual equipment in a video game speaks volumes about you as a person. You don't know what people are going through over there, yet you feel like you have the right to instruct them in how to handle it. How some people can convince themselves that a company's sole purpose is to be as inefficient as possible and irritate its income base as much as they can is beyond me. I'm willing to take a guess that SE is being hit by not opening the servers just a little bit harder than you are and would like to start making money off this again. They are making a sacrifice. The idea that they are choosing to "sit on their thumbs" instead of continue making money is quite a stretch.

[Kjara]

to quit because of a two extra days delay is your choice, but if you knew you were going to get flamed, why post in the first place? you expect people to follow you and quit?

As for SE 'sitting on their thumbs', I think their donation sure did a lot more than anything any of us could do for Japan right now.

Thanks for the update SE, cheers to you guys and your good efforts.

[Jalonis]

The fact that you would compare people being offended by your lack of understanding for a country during a time of national crisis where people's lives are being lost to bickering over virtual equipment in a video game speaks volumes about you as a person. You don't know what people are going through over there, yet you feel like you have the right to instruct them in how to handle it. How some people can convince themselves that a company's sole purpose is to be as inefficient as possible and irritate its income base as much as they can is beyond me. I'm willing to take a guess that SE is being hit by not opening the servers just a little bit harder than you are and would like to start making money off this again. They are making a sacrifice. The idea that they are choosing to "sit on their thumbs" instead of continue making money is quite a stretch.

The thing is, they ARE choosing to sit on their thumbs instead of relocate servers and continue making money. You know why a 2 week downtime is unheard of in the MMO industry? It's because the vast majority of players, the non-hardcore, non-fanboy base has an incredibly short attention span. They want their entertainment when they want it. If it isn't there, they go looking somewhere else. When they find it at the new place, they realize "Hey, this is pretty good, and the xyz is even a lot better!"

I figure after a week you'd have 98% returns, only the people who were already letting their sub expire would be leaving. After two weeks you have bored people trying out WoW, Rift, etc for their MMO fix. Now you're dropping to a 90% return rate. Every week you're going to be dropping a little more of your paying base. This means that by doing nothing, they're destroying the population of the returning players, and in turn not only losing out on profits for the month of April, but losing more and more as time goes on.

Again, this goes directly against disaster recovery and planning as it is taught at nearly any college in the country.

[Bilonn]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

*Edited by Moderator

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On a similar note, the game will be much more fun to play with all the selfish, non-caring idiots quitting because of this tragedy. I just hope that the workers can get the nuclear plant under control soon--I know people that live not very far from that area. Luckily, everyone I know that lives in Japan and the other East-Pacific countries have checked in and are doing okay, considering the circumstances.

Take your time, SE. The people of Japan need that power more than we need a game at the moment.

[Cream_Soda]

The thing is, they ARE choosing to sit on their thumbs instead of relocate servers and continue making money.

Let's see, they're already giving us April free, so how much would it cost them to relocate vs how much money would they make from us by getting up a week earlier?

[Coephoros]

Here's some English translations of this thread:
"I'm mad you're not providing me with a service that you're not charging me for."
"Also, I'm mad you're not doing what I think you should do to be a profitable company."

I'm so glad I came back to play a game with such a high population of architects and business school graduates.

[MrWigglles]

another 48 hours won't make a shred of difference. se needs to just say, see you again May 1. so we can move on.

[NightDagger]

Yes the downtime is frustrating & I too will not be returning to the game if I have to wait until the end of April or even May. But I have no problem giving them two weeks & see what happens.

Now about their donation & all the celebrities that are donating. Do you really think they did it wholeheartedly for Japan? I will guarantee it is for the tax right-off they now receive. Sure they do care about Japan, but if they did not get the tax right-off then i do not think they would of donated so much.

[scaevola]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

Yeah, man; how incompetent is SE for not being able to continue on without a blip in the wake of the 5th largest earthquake in recorded history? Who cares if half the country is without power and even if they hadn't done the noble thing, it's unlikely their staff would have even been able to commute to work! If it's a problem that even remotely affects my capacity for pure consumption, it must be annihilated!

[Jalonis]

Let's see, they're already giving us April free, so how much would it cost them to relocate vs how much money would they make from us by getting up a week earlier?

It's not a matter of how much it costs to move them, it's a matter of how much it costs them to NOT move them.

Also, in this case it's rarely a situation where they load the servers onto airplanes and move them around the world. It's a case of where a hosting company configures servers and databases to match the layout that is present at SE's hosting center, and SE sends over data and expertise to get everything set up.

[Cream_Soda]

It's not a matter of how much it costs to move them, it's a matter of how much it costs them to NOT move them.

Well, since they're already giving us a free month, if Japan gets right soon enough, it could potentially cost them nothing.

[Flyinghippress]

It's not a matter of how much it costs to move them, it's a matter of how much it costs them to NOT move them.

Also, in this case it's rarely a situation where they load the servers onto airplanes and move them around the world. It's a case of where a hosting company configures servers and databases to match the layout that is present at SE's hosting center, and SE sends over data and expertise to get everything set up.

But you send data electronically, correct? With rolling blackouts that would be very inefficient in itself wouldn't it? With the massive size of the game it would probably take over this week in downtime that we're are experiencing, correct? I fail to see why anyone would be upset over this incidence. A week to explore other things and a month of free play when it comes back up.

I'm using this time to replay FFX and maybe crack into one of the RPGs that have just been gathering dust since I play FFXI in my game-time :P. I just hope the country as a whole doesn't suffer any more let alone one company's income for a month.

[Cem]

It's not a matter of how much it costs to move them, it's a matter of how much it costs them to NOT move them.

Also, in this case it's rarely a situation where they load the servers onto airplanes and move them around the world. It's a case of where a hosting company configures servers and databases to match the layout that is present at SE's hosting center, and SE sends over data and expertise to get everything set up.

You sir hit the nail on the head about what they should do DR wise to get it back up! All they need to do is find a hosting data center and replicate the data. They have a month before they need to give out another free month. Unfortunately, I think SE is missing the fact that the longer they go without doing this, the more they hurt their player base. If this game is not up before 3-4 weeks of downtime, they wont have a player base left. All of the hardcore MMO players that have had subscriptions for years will be gone. All you will have left are your casual gamers that wont be able to do much given the lack of people left on the server. People play this game because of the addiction to it. Experts say it takes 22 days to break an addiction. That I think is the point of no return for SE in this case.

[Octaviane]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

Your discontent? You selfish ***. Go crawl back under your rock, we don't need people like you anyway.

[Cem]

But you send data electronically, correct? With rolling blackouts that would be very inefficient in itself wouldn't it? With the massive size of the game it would probably take over this week in downtime that we're are experiencing, correct? I fail to see why anyone would be upset over this incidence. A week to explore other things and a month of free play when it comes back up.

I'm using this time to replay FFX and maybe crack into one of the RPGs that have just been gathering dust since I play FFXI in my game-time :P. I just hope the country as a whole doesn't suffer any more let alone one company's income for a month.

It would not take as long as you think to replicate this data. Remember they have all of their circuits free of data traffic. They could run them wide open and not have to worry about causing issues with game play as there is no game play atm.

[Vivivivi]

Sheesh. The FFXIV producer already stated that while most of the SE Japan team is safe and accounted for many of them have family and loved ones directly affected by the tragedy, and clearly have more important issues to deal with than bringing our ENTERTAINMENT back online.

This is one of those exceptionally rare, ACTS OF GOD, and sure perhaps having an off shore backup solution wouldn't have been a bad idea, but people need to get a grip, this was deemed the fifth largest recorded earthquake recorded in history, not exactly something that can be planned for. Not to mention for all we know many of the chief operating decisions likely happen in Japan, and have their attention focused elsewhere at the moment.

Sure I'm bummed that I have a free weekend coming up without FFXI, but I am willing to be patient until the SE team is up and operating business as usual during this time of crisis. In the meantime, I'm giving WOW a go, and the new Dissidia game, but as soon as FFXI is back, so will I.

[NightDagger]

You sir hit the nail on the head about what they should do DR wise to get it back up! All they need to do is find a hosting data center and replicate the data. They have a month before they need to give out another free month. Unfortunately, I think SE is missing the fact that the longer they go without doing this, the more they hurt their player base. If this game is not up before 3-4 weeks of downtime, they wont have a player base left. All of the hardcore MMO players that have had subscriptions for years will be gone. All you will have left are your casual gamers that wont be able to do much given the lack of people left on the server. People play this game because of the addiction to it. Experts say it takes 22 days to break an addiction. That I think is the point of no return for SE in this case.

This is 100% factual. I have been saying this since day 1. You can not expect the whole player base to just sit here and say "we understand what you are doing & will be here when you return". That would only happen in a perfect world. As we speak I am just starting rift for the first time. Now if I do get addicted (which will only take a week tops) then FFXI will be on the back burner until I get bored of rift. I am not the only one doing this. If this is down for 10 months the next world merge will have to have some adjustments. They will have to make it 3 worlds merging instead of 2.

On a good note, most people that will be quitting will have to log onto POL to do so (or use the website) now while the player is there discontinuing their service the might feel the need to log in to FFXI just to see how many people are online, If they have friends that are online they will start chatting, maybe end up doing something with them & BAM they are logging out to re-activate their account cause they got their FF fix & want more.

[slakyak]

In the meantime, I'm giving WOW a go, and the new Dissidia game, but as soon as FFXI is back, so will I.

Curse you and your earlier release date! Got to wait until next week for Prologus here in the UK. At this rate I'm going to have to go to this "outside" I keep hearing people talk about.

[Vivivivi]

Curse you and your earlier release date! Got to wait until next week for Prologus here in the UK. At this rate I'm going to have to go to this "outside" I keep hearing people talk about.

Sorry worry! I will say it's way better than the first one so far :)

[RAIST]

Apparently, you guys have never dealt with replicating data, so have no concept of how long it takes. Pulling just a 20GB DB over the internet on a T1 (common business class speed of 1.5Mbit/sec) can take all day. Now, we are talking about terabytes of data. They JUST moved the POL database to a new server and it took @12 hours. That was in-house, on their own network. Worst case scenario, that was on a 10Mbit transfer rate if their network is 20 years out of date--which I assure you it is not. We are talking about upwards of 30 servers that would have to be moved. Even if they did a disk-to-disk back up of the servers and shipped that SAN overseas, they would need more than just a few hours of uptime for EACH SERVER to back them up. So, they might get 3 or 4 done in a day because of the rolling blackouts. So, no matter what... you would be looking at at least a week just to get a current backup of everything. Then, they have to get everything restored at the new site once that SAN is shipped over, then once they verify all is good, they have to change the DNS records--so you're talking another week plus the time to ship the drive array with the backups. Best case scenario, you're talking 2 1/2 weeks.

If SE were going to do this, there would be an exhaustive planning effort because they would not be doing this as a temporary fix. All the legal/business red tap and crap that goes along with it--re-locating talent and what not--would take some advanced planning as well.

Maybe once they are able to get back up and running with some sense of normalcy, they will look into a contingency plan. Maybe not. It's not like this is a common occurence for them. This is the first time I've seen anything remotely like it myself in like 6 years.

Raist

[NightDagger]

Man i posted almost the exact same thing in another thread. they could do it but I would personally say that as of right now it is not worth it for them. IF they knew for certain they would be down for 1-2 months I am sure this would be exactly what they would be looking into doing (if they are not already creating the backups just in case).

[Cem]

Apparently, you guys have never dealt with replicating data, so have no concept of how long it takes. Pulling just a 20GB DB over the internet on a T1 (common business class speed of 1.5Mbit/sec) can take all day. Now, we are talking about terabytes of data. They JUST moved the POL database to a new server and it took @12 hours. That was in-house, on their own network. Worst case scenario, that was on a 10Mbit transfer rate if their network is 20 years out of date--which I assure you it is not. We are talking about upwards of 30 servers that would have to be moved. Even if they did a disk-to-disk back up of the servers and shipped that SAN overseas, they would need more than just a few hours of uptime for EACH SERVER to back them up. So, they might get 3 or 4 done in a day because of the rolling blackouts. So, no matter what... you would be looking at at least a week just to get a current backup of everything. Then, they have to get everything restored at the new site once that SAN is shipped over, then once they verify all is good, they have to change the DNS records--so you're talking another week plus the time to ship the drive array with the backups. Best case scenario, you're talking 2 1/2 weeks.

If SE were going to do this, there would be an exhaustive planning effort because they would not be doing this as a temporary fix. All the legal/business red tap and crap that goes along with it--re-locating talent and what not--would take some advanced planning as well.

Maybe once they are able to get back up and running with some sense of normalcy, they will look into a contingency plan. Maybe not. It's not like this is a common occurence for them. This is the first time I've seen anything remotely like it myself in like 6 years.

Raist

Raist,

I have a very good understanding of how data replication occurs as I myself work at a site that is a redundant data center for my company. Almost all big companies in the US run off of fiber connections not T1's. This increases the amount of bandwidth capabilities immensely. We have a 650MB Circuit that was installed. How long do you really think it is going to take to replicate TBs of data over a 650MB fiber connection. Even if SE is running their connections over T1's in Japan, think of how many bonded T1's they would need to service the game? That is a lot of bandwidth that could be utilized for replication purposes.

[Etrigan]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

(See You Again!)

[Etrigan]

Raist,

I have a very good understanding of how data replication occurs as I myself work at a site that is a redundant data center for my company. Almost all big companies in the US run off of fiber connections not T1's. This increases the amount of bandwidth capabilities immensely. We have a 650MB Circuit that was installed. How long do you really think it is going to take to replicate TBs of data over a 650MB fiber connection. Even if SE is running their connections over T1's in Japan, think of how many bonded T1's they would need to service the game? That is a lot of bandwidth that could be utilized for replication purposes.

Cem,

That may be true but there is still the matter of the rolling blackouts to be dealt with.

[Cem]

Cem,

That may be true but there is still the matter of the rolling blackouts to be dealt with.

These are planned rolling blackouts. A good replication software package can start and stop it's transmissions.

[Jalonis]

These are planned rolling blackouts. A good replication software package can start and stop it's transmissions.

Lets not forget that as far as I've seen the major ISPs in Japan haven't been going down with these blackouts. SE's datacenter is pretty much required to be able to work through such a thing anyway.

[NightDagger]

Cem,

Yes I am 100% that they would be using fibre optic's & this would increase their transfer rate (which they need for all the end user's). But the time frame is still correct. no matter how you look at it a week or so is not far from what it would take. considering the limited up time they currently have & then the uploading to new server + they need to do a major test to the system, Cause man when the server is up the amount of people logging on will be nuts.

[Cem]

I think Etrigan was referring to when the blackout hit SE's data center not the ISP. If you knew you were going down at a certain time and didn't have a generator, you could stop the replication process in advance of that time and shut down the servers properly. You are probably correct Jalonis, ISPs are probably on a no shutdown grid. They keep communications up between too many necessary services.

[NightDagger]

Lets not forget that as far as I've seen the major ISPs in Japan haven't been going down with these blackouts. SE's datacenter is pretty much required to be able to work through such a thing anyway.

If they do inhouse backup then just send the disc's to the new location for upload they do not need ISP for anything. But from what i have been reading in Japan, their ISP's are online all the time which suggests that they are not located in Tokyo?

idk just a thought

[Vivivivi]

Ugh who cares, seriously? We won't know anything more until Tuesday, so go outside or play other games people. The reality is, SE is doing all they can to restore service as quickly as they can, and there isn't much we can do to help aside donating to the Japan relief funds.

So try to make the most out of your vacation from Vana'diel :)

[Cem]

Cem,

Yes I am 100% that they would be using fibre optic's 7 this would increase their transfer rate (which the need for all the end user's). But the time frame is still correct. no matter how you look at it a week or so is not far from what it would take. considering the limited up time they currently have & then the uploading to new server + they need to do a major test to the system, Cause man when the server is up the amount of people logging on will be nuts.

I am not saying that it would take a couple of days, but a time table of 1-2 weeks for replication, complete full testing should be ample. More than likely the redundant site would have this in a virtual environment. You can image servers in a flash if they are using a product like VMWare.

[NightDagger]

Ugh who cares, seriously? We won't know anything more until Tuesday, so go outside or play other games people. The reality is, SE is doing all they can to restore service as quickly as they can, and there isn't much we can do to help aside donating to the Japan relief funds.

So try to make the most out of your vacation from Vana'diel :)

Soooo we are not aloud to just have a conversation? And you tell us to go outside and everything & yet you are on the forums? Does no make any sense. If that is truly how you believe then so be it BUT please do not preach to me about what YOU think I SHOULD be doing. The best part about life is you choose your actions. And right now I want to chat on the forums not go outside and freeze.

[Kagato]

I guess many people here know about japanese economics since everyone says how easy it must be to do X or Y things with the servers to keep them running.

This is why there are schools and colleges. Go learn something other than how many beers you can chug at frat parties.

inb4Ihaveabachelorsdegreeineconomicslololol

People need to stop caring about other people threatening to leave the game. Let them leave! If they're being jerks about this now, imagine how they act in-game.

[Vivivivi]

Soooo we are not aloud to just have a conversation? And you tell us to go outside and everything & yet you are on the forums? Does no make any sense. If that is truly how you believe then so be it BUT please do not preach to me about what YOU think I SHOULD be doing. The best part about life is you choose your actions. And right now I want to chat on the forums not go outside and freeze.

I stand corrected, and you're right, the forums are a good place we can all gather during the downtime. My apologies :'(

[NightDagger]

Yeah VMWare is great & they do most likely use something of the such. IF they are down I would hope that they are at least thinking of this as an option. but we cannot say what SE will do cause they have definitely surprised me before.

[NightDagger]

I guess many people here know about japanese economics since everyone says how easy it must be to do X or Y things with the servers to keep them running.

This is why there are schools and colleges. Go learn something other than how many beers you can chug at frat parties.

inb4Ihaveabachelorsdegreeineconomicslololol

People need to stop caring about other people threatening to leave the game. Let them leave! If they're being jerks about this now, imagine how they act in-game.

Umm what would a bachelors in economics have to do with computer engineering? A lot of the computerized equipment that we use was developed in Japan so if I have "X & Y" here that means they have "X,Y & Z" there.

[Runespider]

The thing is, they ARE choosing to sit on their thumbs instead of relocate servers and continue making money. You know why a 2 week downtime is unheard of in the MMO industry? It's because the vast majority of players, the non-hardcore, non-fanboy base has an incredibly short attention span. They want their entertainment when they want it. If it isn't there, they go looking somewhere else. When they find it at the new place, they realize "Hey, this is pretty good, and the xyz is even a lot better!"

I figure after a week you'd have 98% returns, only the people who were already letting their sub expire would be leaving. After two weeks you have bored people trying out WoW, Rift, etc for their MMO fix. Now you're dropping to a 90% return rate. Every week you're going to be dropping a little more of your paying base. This means that by doing nothing, they're destroying the population of the returning players, and in turn not only losing out on profits for the month of April, but losing more and more as time goes on.

Again, this goes directly against disaster recovery and planning as it is taught at nearly any college in the country.

Sadly this is the case but as has been shown of late Square don't really have that great of a business sense, not only are they doing damage to their main title but there hope for the future one too. It's obvious they won't do what almost any other serious company would of done so we jsut have to hope (if we care about FFXI) that the damage done through loss of playerbase won't be as bad as almost everyone with any sense thinks it will. Having feelings for Japan won't stop people going off and getting into the mass numbers of other MMOs out there nor will it guarantee their return when Square turn things back on if they like what they test.

Only one other company took their game servers down and they got them back up in 3-4 days, just a matter of wait and see how it plays out now since common sense eludes most.

[breau]

I stand corrected, and you're right, the forums are a good place we can all gather during the downtime. My apologies :'(

lol vivi i loooove taru

[breau]

and btw
se not acting like a business normally does, just looking on profit
i´m so thankful they don´t makes me feel a lot better to see they act like human´s!!!!
so we should do same, stay here on forum, talk, care and be here to show we care, and when it´s up again go back play and have fun again with people that stayed and prooved they really friends
so
em/ waves around
i´ll see you ingame one fine day
breau, alexander/bastok

[Odintius]

And the withdrawal begins :P enjoying my vacation my pray's to japan to.

[NightDagger]

I stand corrected, and you're right, the forums are a good place we can all gather during the downtime. My apologies :'(

Now I do agree with you about some people that come on here strictly to tell people how stupid they are & the such, which is uncalled for. Just cause someone has a bad idea does not make them any less educated, they could very well be more educated 7 the person that is "bashing" is the one that never made it any where's in life cause of his poor attitude towards others'.

just a thought.

[Kagato]

Umm what would a bachelors in economics have to do with computer engineering? A lot of the computerized equipment that we use was developed in Japan so if I have "X & Y" here that means they have "X,Y & Z" there.

Missing the point completely.

[NightDagger]

After talking with so many people from different servers kinda makes me wish their was just one server. I have met alot of very friendly people on here & it is nice, cause Lakshmi is full of people who's head is so big that they are unable to assist with anyone who has not completed everything they have in the game..

Thanks All ^^

[NightDagger]

Missing the point completely.

ohhhh opps my bad. just re-read your post ><

I do understand that A LOT of people have "easy" methods to get the servers up. It is funny reading some of the idea's though like "get 10 diesel generators & just let them run". yes their are limitation to what they can do & you make a valid point that we do not know exactly what their situation is. But it is all just speculation regardless & is nice to just talk about something other then "Leeching is productive" & "Change the lvl cap of Abyssea".

Sorry for the mix up ^^

(If you ever need anything I would be glad to point you in the right direction, unless I have no clue then I would point you in the wrong direction)

[Vivivivi]

Anyone else having trouble signing into FFXI right now?

[NightDagger]

Anyone else having trouble signing into FFXI right now?

LOL thanks needed a good laugh ^^

[Vivivivi]

LOL thanks needed a good laugh ^^
Hehe. /clap /clap /clap

[Alhanelem]

I think I'm mostly looking forward to seeing the auction with no items on it :eek:
time in game doesn't pass when the servers are down. Whatever's up will still be up when we come back.

[NightDagger]

time in game doesn't pass when the servers are down. Whatever's up will still be up when we come back.

Unless the work off a RL Time stamp. then when the servers come online the Ah will know how much RL has went by and return all items, including all zones being taken by beastmen & traverser stones coming out our ying yang....

[Dallas]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

He must own a relic.

[MrWigglles]

time in game doesn't pass when the servers are down. Whatever's up will still be up when we come back.

so you won't gain any traverser stones during this shutdown?

[katoplepa]

You know why a 2 week downtime is unheard of in the MMO industry? .

maybe because never happend before to suffer a 8.6 richter earthquaqe + 10 meters waves tsunami + nuclear meltdown near a mmorpg company and their government ask to shut down power supply to keep energy for the rescue ?

[Kindra]

My BF says SE needs to get the servers back up simply because its costing him more money then when they are up. lol That would be my fault though, since I keep finding games I wanna play or books I wanna read and so forth.

[Lutschfactor]

SE is a multi million dollar company. i work as a 911 dispatcher. (to sum it up) even we have back up servers in other areas of the US. it woudlnt be that hard for SE to make servers where they already have them placed in cali and europe. even if they built new servers in Minot North Dakota, the only thing there to worry about is cows and weather....and eventually yellowstone when it blows up. but se wont be around by then anyway. yes i feel for the people. i feel for all who have lost loved ones and what not. i dont even care if we get a free month..take my money its only 27. i just want to play again. but im not bashing them and putting them down, just saying there could be back up servers in places where nothing happens is all. and i have yet to let SE or whoever reads forums that i do feel for the county of Japan, and i hope all goes well.

[Alderin]

Hmm I wonder if we are getting stones while they turned off the power switch?

Would be a nice force-save for my stone stock, as I was pretty much dry when they cut the lines.

Oh well, hope the JP's recover from all the drama.

[Haldarn]

Hmm I wonder if we are getting stones while they turned off the power switch?
Apparently so!
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2412-Can-we-have-an-update-on-the-situation.?p=32942&viewfull=1#post32942

[Starcade]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

Baibai.

And please don't let the door hit you in your rotund behind that I just put my foot up.

And people wonder why I can be so hostile toward the other players.

[Alderin]

Apparently so!
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2412-Can-we-have-an-update-on-the-situation.?p=32942&viewfull=1#post32942

W00t!! Bring on the long wait then. Looking forward to getting back with 25ish stones then, and not 2 :P

[Dreamers]

NOOOO!!! March 22 is when Crysis 2 comes out.... cant we move the servers coming back up to the 23rd or 24th so I can get my Crysis fix?

[Starcade]

NOOOO!!! March 22 is when Crysis 2 comes out.... cant we move the servers coming back up to the 23rd or 24th so I can get my Crysis fix?

I don't think you're going to have to worry about that one. Enjoy Crysis.

[Anon]

Baibai.

And please don't let the door hit you in your rotund behind that I just put my foot up.

And people wonder why I can be so hostile toward the other players.

That is your definition of hostile? So was Pappa Smurf a general in your lateral thought process?
Seems to me alot of you have a problem with staying on the topic. And you rather enjoy making stabs at those of us with the gumption to have a negative remark towards the business sense of a company we expect results from. I don't mind a witty retort from most people here. Too bad that has yet to happen ;(

The way this is being handled on Square's end is not business smart. Period. You can't sway my judgment on the matter. I have a right to my opinion no matter how many of you fanboys, funboys, and forum derelicts don't like it. So keep it coming. <3

[Alderin]

Anon,
Dude seriously, if your leaving- leave!

The whole scene you made ended pages ago. No one cares if you stay or go. Just drop it.

The game isn't up and won't be up til at least Tuesday. Accept it or take your own advice and get out of here.

[Anon]

Anon,
Dude seriously, if your leaving- leave!

The whole scene you made ended pages ago. No one cares if you stay or go. Just drop it.

The game isn't up and won't be up til at least Tuesday. Accept it or take your own advice and get out of here.

I haven't given anyone any advice. I merely gave my thoughts on the situation.

[Topdogg]

SE is'nt going to rush getting servers back up, why would they? If servers went back up now, they'd have to pay their staff for hours they work, so they would lose money since they arnt making money for april. The longer they are off, the more they will save. But i'm definitly sure they will have servers up by april 1st, so hang in there.

[Emitremmus]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

Sometimes I like to be a d-bag just to be a d-bag sometimes too, but you're just being whiny.

If your post is serious, I'll be glad to see one less bickering player that is unhappy because SE didn't put a (Auto-matically be level 99 and have everything in the game) button. I think they've always done a good job with the updates. They always have the majority of the playerbase in mind. Just because you may not fall into that group with a particular change doesn't mean that there haven't been adjustments that have helped you. I'd like to see you do a better job than SE.

[Runespider]

No one cares if you stay or go.

Square do, they like money (being a business and all). Fro every one person complaining and genuinely leaving over this there will be a lot more that do and say nothing. Given the lifespan of the game is linked to player numbers and profits I think telling people to leave should be the last thing anyone would say really.

Also worth noting people were always saying this on FFXIV at the start, nobody says it now. Reality kicked in.

[Avina]

That is your definition of hostile? So was Pappa Smurf a general in your lateral thought process?
Seems to me alot of you have a problem with staying on the topic. And you rather enjoy making stabs at those of us with the gumption to have a negative remark towards the business sense of a company we expect results from. I don't mind a witty retort from most people here. Too bad that has yet to happen ;(

The way this is being handled on Square's end is not business smart. Period. You can't sway my judgment on the matter. I have a right to my opinion no matter how many of you fanboys, funboys, and forum derelicts don't like it. So keep it coming. <3

lol I don't think any of us care what you do. Really. I don't seen anyone trying to keep you here.

But to you and Jalonis, in order for them to put the game back on, consider the bandwidth they'd need to acquire. It's not nearly as simple as turning the servers back on and just plugging in an ethernet cord and away you go. You need the bandwidth setup to support tens of thousands of users simultaneously, from all across the world, with no downtime at all. That setup doesn't come cheaply nor is it easy to handle or maintain. And companies don't just have backups of these or spares lying around just in case their connection needs to go down for a natural disaster.


Again, this goes directly against disaster recovery and planning as it is taught at nearly any college in the country.

Jalonis, you threw down the business college card, but any college would be doing you a disservice to not teach you to research a situation properly beforehand. The power company for SE, and a fairly large portion of Japan, is severely crippled, the power company and the Japanese government have asked people to conserve electricity (because yes, hospitals have run out of electricity in this crisis and people have died from there not being enough energy), even if they decided to move the servers you gotta get them out of Japan and if you maybe read a little bit more you'd learn that most of the trains have been down. But on top of that, assuming you can even get the servers to an airport, you are going to bid for putting your video game servers on planes bringing in relief effort and taking people out of Japan for medical help. This is all assuming that you actually have found a data center capable of handling the game's bandwidth and are willing to pay the ludicrous prices to run this operation out of house and basically rent bandwidth from another company, since that's what they'd have to do in this situation.

All this for what? Two weeks to a month? Please.

Also don't know where college teaches you to just randomly pull numbers out of your ass like that, but whatever.

Like I said I don't care if either of you two leave, I just don't want people to have to briefly entertain the thought that your ideas might have some merit to it.

Read more, troll less. And really, don't try to pretend that you are thinking all on the business end for SE. You are just an addicted player trying to come up with a reason other than that to argue for them to turn the servers back on.

[JagerForrester]

Maybe this will tone down all the "Turn FFXI back on!!" threads.

[Alderin]

Can't this topic be dropped already? We managed to recover from the heated debate a few pages ago and get back to the realism of things rather then people's overblown emotions and withdrawls.

So the servers are down for another 2 days. Cool at least they updated us. Let's move on, yeah?

[cidbahamut]

Maybe this will tone down all the "Turn FFXI back on!!" threads.

Actually it did the opposite and prompted me to start looking at other MMOs since I now expect further delays.

[JagerForrester]

It's increasing the "whining" threads? Somebody get me a spike glove so I can smack some sense into them.

[Dauntless]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

Enjoy your WoW clone.

[CaelThunderwing]

the AH's are going to take a turn for the worst here ;-; but im expecting them to give us another update saying its going to be offline further on or before the 22nd.

[Emitremmus]

Actually it did the opposite and prompted me to start looking at other MMOs since I now expect further delays.

But you're not being charged. Do you not find the reason for the game not being up reasonable?

[Ilax]

I personally understand Japan is in crisis, but i doubt they will get out of it if everyone in they country sit down and do nothing. I can understand some have no option and they are left on they own, but i kinda doubt is the case of SE, maybe is too who really know...

Before i continue, i need to say that i found it hella funny when i saw someone post that SE is probably running over a T1 line. ( For sure, you obviously have 0 notion in the domain ) mIRC work on OC3 go figure and is only a chat system.

I for sure can understand the first delay from SE since they was facing a new power rolling announced by TEPCO, but the next day they shut down the server, new information was already released: TEPCO might rolling power until end of April. From that point, no update on situation from SE. Now i am reading more news [so everyone else do] and something got my attention about this disaster, some scientific are calling the shot on this nuclear crisis, they are now saying is gonna take several month if not year before regain control on it. That make you think a bit about it...

Japan lost 4 nuclear reactor, this is serious energy crisis for them, TEPCO said is 25% of they energy they lost, if you do some more research about it you can find this information:


Plans to develop new nuclear reactors may have to be put on hold until world leaders assess the causes of Japan's nuclear disaster and how to prevent a repeat of the accident, Luis Echavarri, director of the OECD's Nuclear Energy Agency

The accident at the Fukushima Daiichi was upgraded to a level 5 rating from a previous 4 on a 1-7 scale, putting it on a par with the Three Mile Island accident in the United States in 1979.

And is not yet the end of story, the rating can still go up depend how all this turn.

But hey let just turn back our eye to SE, as i stated, i understand the first week, the thing that i do not understand is how they explain us how they planning to deal with all this and just update this information:


we have decided to extend the suspension until Mar. 22, 2011 (JST). We will re-evaluate the situation on Mar. 22, 2011 (JST) and provide everyone with another update regarding this matter.

Re-evaluate? Seriously are you kidding me, SE is just watching and still evaluating at this point? Must be a bad joke of them, i mean seriously i think some of us was expecting more then this. I mean common give us the right time, tell us what is your plan because i think we all worry, worry as much for japan as we worry for SE. Don't tell us what happening in japan we already read it everyday... Tell us about you SE.

So ya, that might explain more the frustration about some fan now, i don't mind wait 1 month if i know they have a plan like moving they server, buying a diesel generator, but please don't come back to me saying standby we have no plan yet we still evaluating the situation, because you all know this mean nothing and they could keep us on hold like this for 1yr and end to say: We apologize everyone due to japan crisis we have to close the game...

I wont repeat it enough, I UNDERSTAND JAPAN HAVE CRISIS, but keep us more informed about you SE not about japan. Doubt everyone wan stay in a sink boat as much i love you all.

[Shinjikoto]

The thing is, they ARE choosing to sit on their thumbs instead of relocate servers and continue making money. You know why a 2 week downtime is unheard of in the MMO industry? It's because the vast majority of players, the non-hardcore, non-fanboy base has an incredibly short attention span. They want their entertainment when they want it. If it isn't there, they go looking somewhere else. When they find it at the new place, they realize "Hey, this is pretty good, and the xyz is even a lot better!"

I figure after a week you'd have 98% returns, only the people who were already letting their sub expire would be leaving. After two weeks you have bored people trying out WoW, Rift, etc for their MMO fix. Now you're dropping to a 90% return rate. Every week you're going to be dropping a little more of your paying base. This means that by doing nothing, they're destroying the population of the returning players, and in turn not only losing out on profits for the month of April, but losing more and more as time goes on.

Again, this goes directly against disaster recovery and planning as it is taught at nearly any college in the country.

Again, the idea that SE has not taken into account these obvious statements is absurd. 2 weeks downtime is very rare in the mmo industry I agree with you. Something that is also very rare in any industry ever known to mankind is a 9.0 earthquake followed by a tsunami, with end result of a possible nuclear meltdown that the country has to rush to prevent. Maybe you are right. Maybe SE just hates money. Maybe not a single person at SE has ever been to college and they need your infinite wisdom to run their company. But I'm just not convinced of that. I think they are doing what they can to secure their families, help their country, and then get things back to normal, in that order, because that is what most sane people would do.
As for leaving them to go to another game. I have no issues with that, I think if you're tired of waiting you should definitely jump ship, No good argument why anyone shouldn't do that. can always come back later anyway. I just don't get why its so hard to understand why they may need time during a crisis like this.

[Runespider]

Enjoy your WoW clone.

I don't understand when people say this, you realise FFXI is an almost direct clone on everquest right?

FFXI is an Everquest clone, something that has no negative impact on it as a game.

[Alderin]

Guess my wish wasn't granted. I'll stay away from this negative thread then.

[Vivivivi]

So, I still can't connect to FFXI... can anyone else? ^^

[Yashii]

People play this game because of the addiction to it. Experts say it takes 22 days to break an addiction. That I think is the point of no return for SE in this case. I couldnt agree with this statement more.. We're like 5~ days in and I'm already dealing with the shakes... So.. 22days.. And.. ugh.. I cant imagine a life without XI.. I can give this solemn oath, I wont play WoW though. XD

[Sivart]

Take your time SE, the more loyal Fan base will still be here

[Runespider]

Take your time SE, the more loyal Fan base will still be here

There is no such thing, no customers are truely loyal and if there were they would number so low the game would close.

[Vivivivi]

Take your time SE, the more loyal Fan base will still be here
Agreed. I played WOW for about four hours, and while the game itself wasn't bad, the community there is completely different than XI, rather then that sense of being welcomed I got in XI when I first started, I felt like an outcast and felt bullied getting called a noob and being ignored simply because my level was under 10. Just not appealing. I'm willing to wait it out rather than switch to another mmo.

[Yashii]

Agreed. I played WOW for about four hours, and while the game itself wasn't bad, the community there is completely different than XI, rather then that sense of being welcomed I got in XI when I first started, I felt like an outcast and felt bullied getting called a noob and being ignored simply because my level was under 10. Just not appealing. I'm willing to wait it out rather than switch to another mmo.

I agree. WoW is a solo game. :[ There is no game out there that has the community that XI does. I wont be going anywhere japan. :] Ill come crawling out of the addicts corner when you give us the go ahead. XD

[Ilax]

I couldnt agree with this statement more.. We're like 5~ days in and I'm already dealing with the shakes... So.. 22days.. And.. ugh.. I cant imagine a life without XI.. I can give this solemn oath, I wont play WoW though. XD

That how any addiction work, same as smoking, the first week is hard, the second is also hard, but overall after 22day you loose the addiction. Not mean you wont come back in game, even after 7 month i left FFXI i ended to come back because of my room mate.

Is often when you take those break you look at it and say: Oh wow wtf i was doing there, too bad i am still too much addicted to look at it like that, but i already told my friend if i end to loose it again, nothing in the world will make me restart because i know more now. No i am not playing another cancer game like WoW, i'm just waiting see my addiction vanish, and tbh with you this might just be a good news for me...

[Runespider]

I agree. WoW is a solo game. :[ There is no game out there that has the community that XI does. I wont be going anywhere japan. :] Ill come crawling out of the addicts corner when you give us the go ahead. XD

Both games are pretty similar now, FFXI is also a solo game. Tried getting parties in FFXI recently? My sister started in FFXI a few months ago, she did FoV almost the entire way, had her flag up on and off too.

[cidbahamut]

But you're not being charged. Do you not find the reason for the game not being up reasonable?

I found the reason for the game going down for a week reasonable. But now they're extending the downtime and it is the extension that I find unprofessional. A week should be sufficient time for a corporation as large as SE to find an alternate means of maintaining uptime.

[Bizniztyme]

Again, the idea that SE has not taken into account these obvious statements is absurd. 2 weeks downtime is very rare in the mmo industry I agree with you. Something that is also very rare in any industry ever known to mankind is a 9.0 earthquake followed by a tsunami, with end result of a possible nuclear meltdown that the country has to rush to prevent. Maybe you are right. Maybe SE just hates money. Maybe not a single person at SE has ever been to college and they need your infinite wisdom to run their company. But I'm just not convinced of that. I think they are doing what they can to secure their families, help their country, and then get things back to normal, in that order, because that is what most sane people would do.
As for leaving them to go to another game. I have no issues with that, I think if you're tired of waiting you should definitely jump ship, No good argument why anyone shouldn't do that. can always come back later anyway. I just don't get why its so hard to understand why they may need time during a crisis like this.

Very well said.

[Zyeriis]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

You told them to flame all they want. They did, don't respond in kind, that's trolling. Also, if you're going to leave, do so.


Sadly this is the case but as has been shown of late Square don't really have that great of a business sense, not only are they doing damage to their main title but there hope for the future one too. It's obvious they won't do what almost any other serious company would of done so we jsut have to hope (if we care about FFXI) that the damage done through loss of playerbase won't be as bad as almost everyone with any sense thinks it will. Having feelings for Japan won't stop people going off and getting into the mass numbers of other MMOs out there nor will it guarantee their return when Square turn things back on if they like what they test.

Only one other company took their game servers down and they got them back up in 3-4 days, just a matter of wait and see how it plays out now since common sense eludes most.

This logic is completely skewed that there's automatically going to be a decrease in the player base, especially a 10% one. Why? I think I can answer that easily: I am RETURNING to the game because of this disaster. Why? A conversation regarding the tsunami/quake, in a bar, veered into a conversation about how the ffxi and ffxiv servers are down, which veered into a conversation about great times you can have in ffxi and the current state of the game. I doubt I am the only person in the world to have a similar conversation. Common sense does elude most, as it is idiotic to make assumptions that there will only be leavers during the down time and that no previous players will be drawn back due to the ensuing conversations revolving around the disaster that has caused the servers to be shut off in the first place.

[Ilax]

I am RETURNING to the game because of this disaster.

Just a correction, you plan to return back ^^

[Zyeriis]

That how any addiction work, same as smoking, the first week is hard, the second is also hard, but overall after 22day you loose the addiction. Not mean you wont come back in game, even after 7 month i left FFXI i ended to come back because of my room mate.

Is often when you take those break you look at it and say: Oh wow wtf i was doing there, too bad i am still too much addicted to look at it like that, but i already told my friend if i end to loose it again, nothing in the world will make me restart because i know more now. No i am not playing another cancer game like WoW, i'm just waiting see my addiction vanish, and tbh with you this might just be a good news for me...

FFXI Addiction never vanishes. Psychology is pure theory and guessing. I "thought" I was over my addiction until a conversation in a bar about the tsunami/quake led to talking about ffxi (see my above post). I've lost track of how many times I quit the game, only until months later when the addiction would kick back in. I truly thought it would be different this time as my reasons for quitting were extremely different, based in fear rather than frustration. (Fear as in where the game was heading vs. frustration at the game at the time).

[Zumi]

Have to give them some time after all the earthquake and power problems. However that doesn't mean they should do nothing after all they are a business. If they see the Japan power problem is going to be around for several months they should be looking in to relocating the servers for example to their California office. If they don't want to lose their player base as time passes. There already is a lot of Japanese players back on PSN playing games online. Tokyo and a lot of the southern areas seem to be back as business as normal. FFXIV really doesn't matter as much because that game is going to need a relaunch anyway like when it is eventually released for PS3.



I agree. WoW is a solo game. :[ There is no game out there that has the community that XI does. I wont be going anywhere japan. :] Ill come crawling out of the addicts corner when you give us the go ahead. XD

If you say this it shows you never played the game. Leveling in WoW you can do solo or if you choose in groups through killing mobs in dungeons. Dungeons take 5 people. Leveling isn't the major part of the game its actually endgame. Then you get to endgame raids which require 10 or 25 people. WoW has hard modes to all their content to which like only the top 0.06% of the people will even beat. This stuff can't be soloed. Unlike FFXI where you can pop a brew to kill the hardest mobs currently in the game.

[Ilax]

FFXI Addiction never vanishes. Psychology is pure theory and guessing. I "thought" I was over my addiction until a conversation in a bar about the tsunami/quake led to talking about ffxi (see my above post). I've lost track of how many times I quit the game, only until months later when the addiction would kick back in. I truly thought it would be different this time as my reasons for quitting were extremely different, based in fear rather than frustration. (Fear as in where the game was heading vs. frustration at the game at the time).

I left FFXI 2 time, first time was 2 month, i come back since some frustration in the game was issue by SE.

The second time i was just too busy in RL to play FFXI and that lasted a good 2 month, at that point i had no wish at all to play again, but i figured to keep account active just in case... 7 month later my room mate told me how new update was nice or something like that... Go figure i try it and go back addicted....

I can't hide the true, if you look my account i have 20 job lv90, mandau + always got shits tons of gil, over 1,800+ day of playtime, but guess what? My social life got nuked to 0. So yeah with that kind of break, it make you think about it lol... Do you really think i will come back if i end to loose interest after 22day?

I can't talk for everyone, but i had nice social life pre-FFXI, i had my own computer company, ok it was not doing million/yr but it was way better then my current situation lol. For sure i can't blame all this to the game, but i can't stop thinking, what would be my life without it :P You have no idea how many time i told ppl in RL sorry wed and sun i can't because i have dynamis, then it was sky, then it was sea lol...

Anyways, you will find out one day* i am sure.

*Edit: My roommate stop playing FFXI, that make 2yr now, guess what he doing? He co-owner of a health care company, he do over 100k/yr and program software for Apple on his free time. http://blizzoid.net A free time that give him extra 120$/month, and is going up from time to time. Guess who refer him to that job? Me lol i was too busy play FFXI and run my own bizz back in that time.

[RAIST]

wow... had to go for some job interviews, come back and this thread has gone nuts.

Feel the need to clarify a couple things. I never stated SE was runninga T1--that was a RL example of a firm trying to pull a 20GB DB over a T1 taking all day. In reality, they tried all weekend but the conx kept dropping. They ultimately put it on a 1/4' tape and FedEx'ed it to us and we pulled into an old SQL server, than pushed it to the AS400 so they could work on it.

Second, you failed to recognize that it took them 12 hours to transfer one database in-house. Safe to assume, they may not necessarily be running on the latest and greatest bandwidth, or it is a MASSIVE amount of data. Even running a 650 Mbit conx (if they are forking out that kind of cash), you could still be looking at 4-5 hours per TB of transfer, depending on the overhead in the transfer (protocol, encryption/compression schemes, etc).

Communications are still having issues. While ISP's may still appear to be up, there could be unstable nodes, which could delay transfers if you have a lot of idle and retries during the transmission. I ran some tests the other night to Japan, and I had a lot of 200-250ms stalls, so depending on where you are going/coming from/to--there could be some issues with transfering that much data over the web. Simply put, there is a lot of unkown involved with going that route, and if you want to rate it as "mission critical", may not be the wisest thing to rely on in place of using actual media for the transfer.

No matter how you slice it up, it will take a considerable amount of time to completely transfer the operations to a new location. It's not just the transfer of data. There's lots of administrative tasks involved (business/legal/immigration/etc.) issues to consider. SE may not have a plan in place for all of this. They may have banked on just needing locally replicated servers with local backups. Who knows. Either way, it is a mute point.

They can't turn the servers on to do anything. They can't bring them up to transfer files. They can't bring them up to do a data dump to media to physically move (remember, it took them 12 hours just to move one database recently). Best case scenario, they take one of their last full backup sets (likely from last billing) and take that somewhere. That will STILL TAKE TIME TO SET UP AS THEY HAVE TO RESTORE ALL THE DATA, TEST IT, THEN CHANGE DNS FIRST.

Just give them time to work things out for heaven's sake.

Raist

[Ilax]

@RAIST If even they would have told us they doing this....

[RAIST]

Hey everyone,

Most of you may have read the follow-up on PlayOnline news regarding the servers. (for those of you that haven’t here is a link: http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/polnews/news20547.shtml)

First of all I just wanted to say from myself and on behalf of the rest of the Community Team, thank you so much for being patient and understanding in these tragic times. We’re really impressed and moved by how strongly you all support Japan and your efforts to donate.

With the servers being down, many of you are wondering what’s going on with Vana’diel time and your plants, traverser stones, besieged, etc. Pretty much, just think of this as really long server maintenance, which means that unfortunately your plants will be withered, but the number of traverser stones Joachim sets aside for you will have increased, and besiege will pick up where it was left off.

We will give you updates on the situation and again thank you very much for your kind words and compassion.

This showed up in another one of the many threads debating this situation. Guess the Community Team is trying to keep us informed...but, they just are not being given the information you guys want.

Raist

[Flunklesnarkin]

I wonder how many SE employee's have friends and family in tokyo and cities that were hit...

They probably wouldn't be fully able to concentrate on work atm even if they were open.


I don't think a lot of people realize just how bad the situation is..

they can listen to numbers and death toll etc.. but they don't comprehend just how bad it is.

I'd be surprised if they have it up by the 22nd.. just give them a chance to fix their country.

[RAIST]

Cem started a "petition" of sorts to try to get some info from SE. Everyone needs to hop over there and /sign it. Maybe it will work.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2743-Information-Submission-Request-to-Square-Enix?p=33153&viewfull=1#post33153

Raist

[Flunklesnarkin]

I don't see how a petition will help them get things working faster...

If anything they know as little as we do...

I'm not sure how a video game company is suppose to be experts on the power grid situation.

All they can do is forward information they get from the power company.

[Ilax]

@Flunklesnarkin if is really how they gonna face this crisis (Watching/analyzing) until it end, then i guess we can call it game over for FFXI.

[RAIST]

There have been thousands of posts arguing over this issue. Cem's is a more formal request for a more detailed update--not likely to spark the flame wars going on in other threads. If everyone would just /sign it and keep it civil, perhaps it will get some results.

Raist

[Flunklesnarkin]

@Flunklesnarkin if is really how they gonna face this crisis (Watching/analyzing) until it end, then i guess we can call it game over for FFXI.


I wouldn't try to lump others into your flawed logic lol

and they aren't just watching analyzing.. they shut down the company and donated money to the crisis..

Their employees are probably concentrating on relief efforts and helping their friends and family affected.

[Spamtastic]

i think everyone has the wrong idea about what's going on at square. from what i've gathered reading their official posts, they don't HAVE to shut down the servers. they still have power. the japanese government asked people to conserve electricity. as square said in one of their announcements they feel socially obligated to shut them down. it wasn't because they don't have the power to run them. it's because they want to help. they stopped looking at things in a business perspective and started looking at things from a human perspective. their friends and family and neighbors are suffering and to ease the burden of those around them they shut down their servers in a bid to comply with the governments request. nowhere have i read any official word that they don't have power. when they say they are re-evaluating the situation i take it to mean that they are evaluating whether they feel running business as usual would place too much of a burden on the countries limited supplies. but all this is just my take on things from the official announcements i've read.

[RAIST]

Interesting tweet over at The Tokyo Post:

Today is the first day they will try to run with no scheduled blackouts - expect that supply exceeds demand

Everyone cross your fingers!

Raist

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Come tuesday, it'll be friday. Come friday, it'll be April.

[Gadanae]

Trollin Trollin Trollin keep the flame posts rollin RAWHIDE.

Seriously people need something better to do with their lives. My personal opinion, the game is finished. When and if they get the servers up, which by the way it looks won't be for a long time, the player base will have dwindled exponentially.

Think maybe it's time to hang up my weapons in FFXI and go for FFXIV, maybe they can make that a better game. Not really interested in forking over more money to a company that doesn't care about it's customers enough to make sure the games stay running though.

By the way, I extremely enjoyed the 3 hour ban I recieved last night, it was an exhilirating experience to be told by the secret word police of SE that I cannot freely share my opinions on these forums, so this will be my last post. (in before yall flame me and say good riddance). If we can't share our opinions freely w/o the threat of banning then there is no use posting here. So everyone, have fun dealing with SE's "oh we may be up on TUE, nope, wait, next TUE.... oh crap sorry next month!".

It's been fun but it hasn't been real fun.

[Zyeriis]

Trollin Trollin Trollin keep the flame posts rollin RAWHIDE.

Seriously people need something better to do with their lives. My personal opinion, the game is finished. When and if they get the servers up, which by the way it looks won't be for a long time, the player base will have dwindled exponentially.

Think maybe it's time to hang up my weapons in FFXI and go for FFXIV, maybe they can make that a better game. Not really interested in forking over more money to a company that doesn't care about it's customers enough to make sure the games stay running though.

You think FFXI will be killed by this shut down but FFXIV won't? Your perspective is clearly skewed, no desire to argue with you.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I don't think the game is done for..

even if say.. half the population quit the game (i find this unlikely)

they could still merge servers and continue to make money off monthly subscriptions....

its not like it takes an investment of money other than paying the monthly power bill lol

As long as its making money after paying for monthly operating costs.. it doesn't make any sense to shut the game down

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Trollin Trollin Trollin keep the flame posts rollin RAWHIDE.

Seriously people need something better to do with their lives.Says the person with nearl 100 post on a forum dedicated to the game. lol

[Gadanae]

Says the person with nearl 100 post on a forum dedicated to the game. lol

Sorry, couldn't keep my silence, and like you're any better with 345 posts.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Sorry, couldn't keep my silence, and like you're any better with 345 posts.That just means I'm spending game time on the only current venue available while still not claiming I have the right to tell people get lives. lol

[TribalProphet]

SE must be touched that so many people here care deeply strictly for the sake of their profit margins, and are not wanting the game back online because they can't handle cold-turkey.

Also, why is there another thread where people are demanding updates (even though they said it'll still be a few more days to know more) and then once they get an update saying they will have to re-evaluate in a few more days, they are mad that they got the update.

Also lol at the people who are pulling numbers out of the air about how many people are quitting for life because the game is off for 3 days. This has NEVER happened before anywhere. It is impossible for any of you to know how many people might be quitting for good or not. Making up numbers is the quickest way to let everyone here know that you're just making up facts to try to bolster a losing argument.

Japan needs time to get their power systems back up and running. It has nothing to do with the nuclear problems at that one station. It has to do with the 50 other plants and making sure that they are still safe and also that the lines are repaired enough to transfer the power to the rest of the country.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

because they can't handle cold-turkey.I've been slowly grinding up the unstall disks and mainlining them. lol

[Zyeriis]

SE must be touched that so many people here care deeply strictly for the sake of their profit margins, and are not wanting the game back online because they can't handle cold-turkey.

Also, why is there another thread where people are demanding updates (even though they said it'll still be a few more days to know more) and then once they get an update saying they will have to re-evaluate in a few more days, they are mad that they got the update.

Also lol at the people who are pulling numbers out of the air about how many people are quitting for life because the game is off for 3 days. This has NEVER happened before anywhere. It is impossible for any of you to know how many people might be quitting for good or not. Making up numbers is the quickest way to let everyone here know that you're just making up facts to try to bolster a losing argument.

Japan needs time to get their power systems back up and running. It has nothing to do with the nuclear problems at that one station. It has to do with the 50 other plants and making sure that they are still safe and also that the lines are repaired enough to transfer the power to the rest of the country.

Prophets are supposed to predict things not speak current truths D: Blasphemy!

[Loeyuue]

For anyone that wants to leave because of this incident, just shut up and go. We would be much happier without you in the game when the game is back up.

[annewandering]

I am on here cuz the game is down. yep. I am wanting the game back on. yep. SE most likely is happy we want the game back but I bet they are starting to wonder if they have unleashed The Crazies. lol and no doubt I am one but at least I do still have enough control to be waiting not whining. Crying maybe but hopefully not whining. ^^ And posting yes. It keeps my fingers up and nimble enough to play whm albeit maybe not all that well.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

At this rate, the date the servers come back up and the next update will be one and the same. lol

[Nu-Hir]

Also, why is there another thread where people are demanding updates (even though they said it'll still be a few more days to know more) and then once they get an update saying they will have to re-evaluate in a few more days, they are mad that they got the update.

Yes, it's perfectly natural to demand updates. Even if they update states they have no new news, is still better than no news at all. I'm not upset that they released an update saying wait two more days. I'm upset that they're most likely going to pull this crap, wait two more days, wait three more days, wait another week, rather than tell us they can't see the servers coming up in the foreseeable future.

If they have uninterrupted power (which they kind of hinted towards while they were considering taking down the servers) and they're keeping the servers down till the whole of Japan is stabilized with power, let us know that. If they do not have uninterrupted power and are keeping the servers down to prevent possible damage from a failed switchover to backup power, let us know. As I said before, some news is better than no news at all.

[RAIST]

Also, why is there another thread where people are demanding updates

This issue has been debated over and over in lots of threads...currently, it's been going on in these threads:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1718-Temporary-Suspension-of-the-Services-Due-to-an-Earthquake

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2262-Version-Update-Delay

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2699-Next-review-date-for-servers-Tues-22nd-JST

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2412-Can-we-have-an-update-on-the-situation.


...and that's just off of page one. Go on to page two, and you see a couple more still available:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2512-Power-Outages-Today-Update

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2518-Backup-servers

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2578-FFXI-will-be-back-online-in-2-months


There's one formal request for a more detailed update looked like it would maintain it's civility and purpose, as it's structured more in a petition format, but some just couldn't resist the urge to hi-jack that one too:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2743-Information-Submission-Request-to-Square-Enix

Hopefully it will get back under control again. Just state whether you agree/disagree in that thread please. Don't need any arguments--just simple /signed will suffice, or even just a /no or |Thanks for the offer, but I have to pass.|

Raist

[Lutschfactor]

anyone know exactly where the servers r located in Japan? saw someone saying Tokyo was hit, i was under the impression Tokoyo was hit with minor aftersshocks coz i saw some videos of a tower swaying Tokoyo didnt look bad at all. if anyone might be able to answer my question that would be apperciated

[Avina]

anyone know exactly where the servers r located in Japan? saw someone saying Tokyo was hit, i was under the impression Tokoyo was hit with minor aftersshocks coz i saw some videos of a tower swaying Tokoyo didnt look bad at all. if anyone might be able to answer my question that would be apperciated

It really isn't about the location of the servers or where the earthquake hit, its the energy shortage.

[Anon]

Raist = Charitou? Or just a 3rd cousin?

[cidbahamut]

From what I've heard Tokyo really only has rolling blackouts to deal with at this point. Not much in the way of structural damage.

[Lutschfactor]

yes avina i know and understand that. but people still work and have lives and have jobs to go to. im not saying get the servers up now, just wondering where they are located. not that hard of a question to answer, but thanks for posting for no reason with any form of answer. i can understand if they want to shut the servers down b//c of blackouts or they want the power diverted else where. thats obvious. my whole thing is people still have to work. even SE is still working. if u dont think that ur crazy.

[Avina]

Think maybe it's time to hang up my weapons in FFXI and go for FFXIV, maybe they can make that a better game. Not really interested in forking over more money to a company that doesn't care about it's customers enough to make sure the games stay running though.

Read a newspaper. Or just google the situation over there at the NY times. Or maybe that doesn't fit into your schedule of sitting here and writing your hate that your video game is down.

And for the record if there is any MMO I am concerned for in this, its XIV. XI has been going for nearly nine years, and has been on a bit of a resurgence in the past year with all of the new awesome content, meanwhile XIV doesn't have enough of a game there at the moment to even charge people and has a perpetually dwindling population... if any of the MMOs were to die from this its XIV hands down.

Oh and goodbye lol. All I can say is though, call your trolling opinions and whatnot but its trolling nonetheless and I'm glad SE is cleaning up.

[Spamtastic]

after doing some research i found out their main office is located at:

SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD.
Shinjuku Bunka Quint Bldg. 3-22-7 Yoyogi,
Shibuya-ku,Tokyo 151-0053, Japan

don't know if the servers are there or not.

[breau]

I found the reason for the game going down for a week reasonable. But now they're extending the downtime and it is the extension that I find unprofessional. A week should be sufficient time for a corporation as large as SE to find an alternate means of maintaining uptime.

they said "at least a week" as i (german) understand that term it means minimum 1 week, probably more
breau, alexander/bastok

[Avina]

yes avina i know and understand that. but people still work and have lives and have jobs to go to. im not saying get the servers up now, just wondering where they are located. not that hard of a question to answer, but thanks for posting for no reason with any for of answer

Jeez dude, calm down, I was trying to address what I thought you were getting at with the rest of your post, given that you didn't only type "Where are the servers located." But whatever, my bad, I guess? Calm down a little and don't be so edgy.

I think the servers are located in Tokyo, or at least, I've never heard about them being somewhere else.

[Anon]

Read a newspaper. Or just google the situation over there at the NY times. Or maybe that doesn't fit into your schedule of sitting here and writing your hate that your video game is down.

And for the record if there is any MMO I am concerned for in this, its XIV. XI has been going for nearly nine years, and has been on a bit of a resurgence in the past year with all of the new awesome content, meanwhile XIV doesn't have enough of a game there at the moment to even charge people and has a perpetually dwindling population... if any of the MMOs were to die from this its XIV hands down.

Oh and goodbye lol. All I can say is though, call your trolling opinions and whatnot but its trolling nonetheless and I'm glad SE is cleaning up.

All I see is you telling everyone you can that resistance is futile. How many times do we have to say it? Those of us that aren't happy with Sqeenixs' approach are sympathetic to the seriousness of the situation the Japanese people face at this time. But that has 0... absolutely 0... to do with a business handling their business.

[Lutschfactor]

im very calm, we not in abyssea, or dyna or doing a NM to not be calm. thanks spamtastic.

[Avina]

All I see is you telling everyone you can that resistance is futile. How many times do we have to say it? Those of us that aren't happy with Sqeenixs' approach are sympathetic to the seriousness of the situation the Japanese people face at this time. But that has 0... absolutely 0... to do with a business handling their business.

I thought you were leaving?

Something that you are failing to realize is that this isn't just a business, its a Japanese business, which is very significant to this situation. Unlike in America, where we are extremely cut throat and have no problem screwing over the little guy, the Japanese as a whole view each and every one of them as having a social responsibility to one another. You don't put yourself on others, you don't prioritize yourself over others, and it would be a terrible PR move on SE's part to go and run their servers anyways when there isn't enough electricity available to effectively treat the sick, of which there are lots.

But even if we cut that out, and just say, how feasible is it from a purely business perspective, I already made a rather lengthy post on page 9 that lists a lot of things that SE would have to overcome in order to move their operation, which you seem to have just kinda breezed by and not addressed at all and prefer to just make the same broken argument.

[breau]

I am on here cuz the game is down. yep. I am wanting the game back on. yep. SE most likely is happy we want the game back but I bet they are starting to wonder if they have unleashed The Crazies. lol and no doubt I am one but at least I do still have enough control to be waiting not whining. Crying maybe but hopefully not whining. ^^ And posting yes. It keeps my fingers up and nimble enough to play whm albeit maybe not all that well.

lol i agree^^ and posting keeps me of biting on my fingers cause they grabbing for the keyboard all day long^^
breau, alexander/bastok

[cidbahamut]

You folks really need to stop White Knighting.

A week's grace period is fine, but after that it becomes Square Enix dropping the ball and not having a proper disaster recovery plan to maintain uptime and that is unprofessional.

[Anon]

No Avina it is you with the same broken arguement/fanboy approach. They are doing nothing in the way of rectifying this situation to a satisfactory level for a number of us. And no matter how many "down on bended knee" post by people like you are made.. people like me will not agree and do not care. Period.

[etsunetsu]

its really only gonna be an extra day to reevaluate on the 22nd because they are going by JST which is a day ahead it is the 19th there already.

[RAIST]

No Avina it is you with the same broken arguement/fanboy approach. They are doing nothing in the way of rectifying this situation to a satisfactory level for a number of us. And no matter how many "down on bended knee" post by people like you are made.. people like me will not agree and do not care. Period.

wait... did I miss an announcement from SE where they detailed just what they are doing to rectify the situation? What is it that they said they are doing that is unsatisfactory?

To say they aren't doing anything satisfactory implies you know what they are doing. Pray tell... where is this juicy nugget of information?

Raist

[Avina]

No Avina it is you with the same broken arguement/fanboy approach. They are doing nothing in the way of rectifying this situation to a satisfactory level for a number of us. And no matter how many "down on bended knee" post by people like you are made.. people like me will not agree and do not care. Period.

lol so nothing about the post I made on page 9? Right... I'm the one with the broken argument. btw what happened to the hot chicks you were going to go and visit?

And like I said before, I don't really care about convincing you. You said you were going, goodbye. I'm posting so people don't actually buy all the stuff you are saying. The only thing you have said in this topic so far is "they should be doing it better" without any sort of logical consideration for the situation in Japan and the difficulty for moving the servers. If you have an actual point to make then feel free.

[Zyeriis]

lol so nothing about the post I made on page 9? Right... I'm the one with the broken argument. btw what happened to the hot chicks you were going to go and visit?

And like I said before, I don't really care about convincing you. You said you were going, goodbye. I'm posting so people don't actually buy all the stuff you are saying. The only thing you have said in this topic so far is "they should be doing it better" without any sort of logical consideration for the situation in Japan and the difficulty for moving the servers. If you have an actual point to make then feel free.

Don't encourage that nonsense D: especially after telling him he said he was leaving, and to do so.

All Anons are trolls (I'm aware that he chose the name Anon, that's what I'm pointing out, he knew full well what he was gonna do with that name).

[Paul]

Are we going to get reimbursed for the time that the servers are down? I think it's only fair.

[Mirage]

If you had paid attention, you would already know that you've gotten 4 weeks free already.

[Rocman]

If you had paid attention, you would already know that you've gotten 4 weeks free already.

That's not really true now is it? They said we wont get charged for april.. BUT what if after the 22nd they still dont get the game back up and it doesnt go up untill the middle of april? Then what? we get a whole 1-2 weeks free? Honestly i dont care its only $13 but i do know people are going to complain.

[jeffanddane]

Well its could be like FFXIV Rocman lol it could be sooooo bad that they just make you not pay for it till things get better XDDD btw its been free since september of last year <3

[Rocman]

Well its could be like FFXIV Rocman lol it could be sooooo bad that they just make you not pay for it till things get better XDDD btw its been free since september of last year <3

never played xiv heard bad reviews so i was waiting to see if they still released it to the ps3.

[Anon]

wait... did I miss an announcement from SE where they detailed just what they are doing to rectify the situation? What is it that they said they are doing that is unsatisfactory?

To say they aren't doing anything satisfactory implies you know what they are doing. Pray tell... where is this juicy nugget of information?

Raist

The lack of information as pertaining to what they are doing is exactly what's missing. That is what we're not happy with. Thank you for pointing this out. Right after I did. As you tried to continue to flame me. But succeeded in making my point. TY <3

[jeffanddane]

Yeah it will definitely get better . . . It has alot more potential then FFXI since ps2 limitations so i give it about another 5/6 months before it 1)Blows FFXI out the water or 2)blows up and they shut down all servers then tell everyone how bad they fail . . . .

[annewandering]

You are still here, anon? reminds me of nixon for some reason.
I wish ffxiv was playable on more computers. From what I have heard it is hard to play even on some pretty decent machines.

[RAIST]

The lack of information as pertaining to what they are doing is exactly what's missing. That is what we're not happy with. Thank you for pointing this out. Right after I did. As you tried to continue to flame me. But succeeded in making my point. TY <3

But everyone in ALL these threads keeps complaining that they aren't doing anything, they have no plan in place, etc...the point is, how do they know this? How can you criticize an unknown element? The absence of an update is not proof of the absence of action.

Raist

[Zyeriis]

That's not really true now is it? They said we wont get charged for april.. BUT what if after the 22nd they still dont get the game back up and it doesnt go up untill the middle of april? Then what? we get a whole 1-2 weeks free? Honestly i dont care its only $13 but i do know people are going to complain.

Clearly we would get additional free time.

[Zyeriis]

Yeah it will definitely get better . . . It has alot more potential then FFXI since ps2 limitations so i give it about another 5/6 months before it 1)Blows FFXI out the water or 2)blows up and they shut down all servers then tell everyone how bad they fail . . . .

It is highly likely that FFXIV will not survive this shut down, it was already half-dead in the gutter at the time. I guess we'll see. There is no doubt that it has far more potential (less SE drops ps2 support).

[Alderin]

But everyone in ALL these threads keeps complaining that they aren't doing anything, they have no plan in place, etc...the point is, how do they know this? How can you criticize an unknown element? The absence of an update is not proof of the absence of action.

Raist

One of my favourite sayings.

"How do you prove something doesn't exist?"

If it is not there to prove that it does exist, then it also cannot be proven that it doesn't.

+2 to your post Raist.

[Haglaz]

You are still here, anon? reminds me of nixon for some reason.

lol, i like!

[RAIST]

lol.. Nixon. Loved how they always worked his head into episodes of Futurama:


Morbo: “Morbo demands an answer to the following question. If you saw
a delicious candy in the hands of a small child. Would you
seize and consume it?”
John Jackson: “Unthinkable.”
Jack Johnson: “I wouldn’t think of it.”
Morbo: “What about you Mr. Nixon? I remind you. You are under of a
truth-o-scope.”
Nixon: “Question is vague. You don’t say what kind of candy and
whether anyone is watching. In anyway I certainly wouldn’t
harm the child.”

[Valaris]

i dont mind waiting. im kinda enjoying the break and playing the games i never finished. also this break will replenish peoples traverser stones maybe. just a positive thought :P

[Dazusu]

I love the hypocracy of half the people posting in this thread. Stating that one shouldn't be asking when the game is coming back, or that people complaining are selfish.

Let me ask you this, hypocrites, how can you play an MMO AT ALL when there are countries out there with thousands of children dying under 12 months old because they don't have clean drinking water or basic medical equipment. While people are living in poverty, and starving how can you enjoy an online game while there's a global tragedy? You should be ashamed.

That's right. Keep riding your horse of moral justice and charity. God forbid anyone question SE's lack of backup plan to do something as simple as migrate data to a redundant data center offshore for their OWN benefit, and that of their countries economy.

Just to be clear: I don't mind waiting, though they should have had a disaster recovery plan - but for the sake of the sanity of normal people - stop whining at people who want to whine at SE.

[Icestein]

I love the hypocracy of half the people posting in this thread. Stating that one shouldn't be asking when the game is coming back, or that people complaining are selfish.

Let me ask you this, hypocrites, how can you play an MMO AT ALL when there are countries out there with thousands of children dying under 12 months old because they don't have clean drinking water or basic medical equipment. While people are living in poverty, and starving how can you enjoy an online game while there's a global tragedy? You should be ashamed.

That's right. Keep riding your horse of moral justice and charity. God forbid anyone question SE's lack of backup plan to do something as simple as migrate data to a redundant data center offshore for their OWN benefit, and that of their countries economy.

Just to be clear: I don't mind waiting, though they should have had a disaster recovery plan - but for the sake of the sanity of normal people - stop whining at people who want to whine at SE.

This is not what people are saying. They're not stating that the reason they are ok with it is because "There's a tragedy going on," what they are actually saying is that they are ok with it because the servers being down is beneficial to the relief efforts going on in japan.

It is, at this point, selfish to ask for the servers to come back online, because in doing so you may indirectly risk the lives of many people.

I also don't think it's as simple as "migrating data," though I'd be ill-equipped to make that judgement. Perhaps it can be stated that Square Enix weren't prudent about their back-up plan, and that may be true, but I can't fault them for the course of action they have taken. Putting the servers back on so soon after the tragedy (and 1 week and 2 days is much quicker than I would have predicted) shows that they care for their player base, for they have nothing to gain in doing so (with next month being free.)

[RAIST]

@Dazusu
In case you didn't read the thread, this started as merely an informational post to share the update notice, I assume in case people missed it elsewhere. It didn't become a debate about SE's response to the situation until the 14'th post..where someone attacked SE for not taking action.

Again...I ask: how do you know for certain they haven't taken action? how do you know they don't have a plan in place? I (and many here) would really like to see the information myself...hence someone has started a thread to try to get SE to provide a detailed update to let us know just what they are doing about the situation. Unfortunately, people can't resist the urge to troll around in there either and are starting to derail it from it's purpose, so it may likely be ignored like so many other threads that have gone off-track...but here's the link to it again in case people want to /sign it:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2743-Information-Submission-Request-to-Square-Enix

Raist

[Eisensword]

All i have to say is i hope everyone in japan is ok or getting through this time as best they can, and im sorry for any of your losses. At this point the way things are going there is a good chance we all will not be returning to FFXI anytime soon, and im ok with that this problem over there is more important then this game.
Its not like SE had much choice in this matter its not like they decided ok we will shut the servers off. If you watched the news its a manditory nation wide black out to conserve power.
Right now japan is bleeding, and the blood is its power. If action had not been taken this little hickup of not being able to play might turn into FFXI never coming back.
I am sorry for all of Japans lose i am thankful for all those fighting those problems head on. There Sacrifice will not go unoticed. May all you be safe and get through this as best as you all can.

[Dazusu]

I ask: how do you know for certain they haven't taken action?

Because the servers are still offline? They've posted nothing about migrating data or keeping offshore backups? They haven't redirected traffic to offshore servers? They haven't done anything that, as a basic strategy, other globally present companies do when they have online products?

When they take action - I am sure they will let us know. Have they done so, thus far? There's your answer.


This is not what people are saying. They're not stating that the reason they are ok with it is because "There's a tragedy going on,"

Understandable, and as I pointed out, I am in agreement with what's going on (servers down, etc)

Keeping data backed up elsewhere in a redundant data center, in another country, A. doesn't cost as much as some people seem to think it does, and B. should be happening DAILY, whether there's a tragedy happening or not in Japan. It's a standard business practice when you have this much data tied to your DIRECT income as a company.

Redundancy, Redundancy, Redundancy.

As for the people of Japan, I hope this tragedy gets better for you soon. The Relief efforts thus far are phenominal. Let's hope they keep it up.

[RAIST]

"Even supposing the chief good to be eventually the aim for the individual as for the state, that of the state is evidently of greater and more fundamental importance both to attain and to preserve. The securing of one individual's good is cause for rejoicing, but to secure the good of a nation or of a city-state is nobler and more divine."
----Aristotle

There is also has some origin in biblical context for this expression as well, just not stated as directly as the simpler translation:

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... or the one.

[RAIST]

Because the servers are still offline? They've posted nothing about migrating data or keeping offshore backups? They haven't redirected traffic to offshore servers? They haven't done anything that, as a basic strategy, other globally present companies do when they have online products?

When they take action - I am sure they will let us know. Have they done so, thus far? There's your answer.



Understandable, and as I pointed out, I am in agreement with what's going on (servers down, etc)

Keeping data backed up elsewhere in a redundant data center, in another country, A. doesn't cost as much as some people seem to think it does, and B. should be happening DAILY, whether there's a tragedy happening or not in Japan. It's a standard business practice when you have this much data tied to your DIRECT income as a company.

Redundancy, Redundancy, Redundancy.

As for the people of Japan, I hope this tragedy gets better for you soon. The Relief efforts thus far are phenominal. Let's hope they keep it up.

Not this again. I am guessing you don't have a full grasp of the full scope of what would be involoved to fully replicate everything to fully support this game in real-time. It has been mulled over enough times in enough threads. I will say this about it though--they recently moved the data from one server to another (POL migration) and it took them 12 hours. That's just ONE of the servers used to support the service, and the move was in house--not offsite to a server in another country. Energy supply has not been a guarantee, and as such they are complying with the recommendation to conserver power for the greater good (please, read my last post if the logic for that action escapes you). Remember, this service was up to 32 Game worlds at one time, in addition to more servers (like the one POL server that took them 12 hours to transfer).

Again, the absence of the game being on line yet and absence of any info detailing just what SE is or isn't doing is not proof they have done nothing, nor is it proof they have/haven't done what you would deem as responsible. They are in a difficult situation and may be dealing with restrictions we be may unaware of. They could very well have been ORDERED to shutdown by a higher authority, but are not divulging it for obvious reasons.

Raist

[MrWigglles]

Are we going to get reimbursed for the time that the servers are down? I think it's only fair.

Oi! mate check the sticky's!

[Dazusu]

Not this again. I am guessing you don't have a full grasp of the full scope of what would be involoved to fully replicate everything to fully support this game in real-time.

I know enough about data centers, and data transfer to grasp this better than most.


they recently moved the data from one server to another (POL migration) and it took them 12 hours.

That was a data migration? If you're talking about the one that was a 12~ hour maintenance on all game worlds, I had the understanding it was a physical move from one location to another. They own their own datacenters. Could be wrong.

And what you don't grasp is that I was pointing out that this should have been ON-GOING. Should have been in place since day one, with daily or weekly backups. Redundancy isn't something you implement once a disaster happens - that's why it's called redundancy.

If it takes them 12 hours to transfer the data only from one location to another, there's something drastically wrong. Not to mention that this is called migration. Not redundancy.

Clearly you don't grasp the ideals of a good backup plan.

[Yugl]

Here's some English translations of this thread:
"I'm mad you're not providing me with a service that you're not charging me for."
"Also, I'm mad you're not doing what I think you should do to be a profitable company."

I'm so glad I came back to play a game with such a high population of architects and business school graduates.

I'm so glad someone gets this. Also, Anon, no one cares about you.

[Wagram]

I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.

Talents? Don't make me laugh. Get out, you're not welcome here. Don't let the door hit ya on your keester as ya walk out.

[Runespider]

I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market.

If you change "talents" to "money" it becomes a good argument, especially if a lot more follow.

[Daremo]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... or the one.

KHAAAAN! *echoes in space... somehow*

[Anon]

So the BG "elite hardcore players" are here now! Awesome. I was wondering how long it would take your redundant better, faster, stronger mentality to finish up this masterpiece. Let's give you guys (and all your unfathomable knowledge) a general break down. The white knighters are trolling and flaming every one who has an issue with the way this has been handled. We all agree on one point. What happened in Japan is a tragedy that changes daily. We all feel a level of compassion towards Japan as a people. My one true issue as I've tried to point out time and again is that for over 8 years I've paid my dues. I've dealt with what I personally consider to be an inept company that is inferior in application of true customer service the whole time. I know the servers being down is a good thing. I understand why they have chosen to leave them down like they have. I commend the Japanese people for their efforts thus far.
However that is no excuse for no communication. I don't care about the logistics. I want to know what they are doing. It's just that simple. So BGers! come join the white knighters! Say the exact same thing they're saying the with what you think is a more thought out logical explanation that no-one can deny! Bring your "elite hardcore better than the casual player" flavor on over. Then we'll have everything here!

Except an explanation from Square Enix.

[Xeth]

Doesn't seem like our servers will be coming up anytime this week..

Rain may force Tepco to cut power (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110321a6.html)


Although scheduled weekend power outages were averted, rain may cause some in the Kanto region to spend a few hours of Monday's national holiday without electricity, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Sunday.

Tepco Executive Vice President Takashi Fujimoto said there would be no blackouts Monday morning, but that there might be cuts in the afternoon. "There is a chance that demand for power may rise (Monday afternoon)," Fujimoto said, adding that the company will decide by noon whether to go ahead with blackouts.

Tepco projected that supply will match demand at 34 million kw between the peak time of 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. Monday, when rain is expected to increase the use of electrical appliances.

Tepco said it received about 7,200 calls Sunday from customers asking about the outages, with some complaining that their power was cut twice a day last week.

Rolling blackouts will start as scheduled between Tuesday and Friday, he said.

Meanwhile, Tepco said it is not planning to add Chiyoda, Chuo and Minato wards to the list of blackout areas in the capital because those central districts are home to key government offices and other important facilities.

[Gaspee]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... or the one.


KHAAAAN! *echoes in space... somehow*

I just ROFL'd. Too funny xD

[Zyeriis]

So the BG "elite hardcore players" are here now! Awesome. I was wondering how long it would take your redundant better, faster, stronger mentality to finish up this masterpiece. Let's give you guys (and all your unfathomable knowledge) a general break down. The white knighters are trolling and flaming every one who has an issue with the way this has been handled. We all agree on one point. What happened in Japan is a tragedy that changes daily. We all feel a level of compassion towards Japan as a people. My one true issue as I've tried to point out time and again is that for over 8 years I've paid my dues. I've dealt with what I personally consider to be an inept company that is inferior in application of true customer service the whole time. I know the servers being down is a good thing. I understand why they have chosen to leave them down like they have. I commend the Japanese people for their efforts thus far.
However that is no excuse for no communication. I don't care about the logistics. I want to know what they are doing. It's just that simple. So BGers! come join the white knighters! Say the exact same thing they're saying the with what you think is a more thought out logical explanation that no-one can deny! Bring your "elite hardcore better than the casual player" flavor on over. Then we'll have everything here!

Except an explanation from Square Enix.

White Knight > Troll. They'll get down from their high horses when you get out from under the bridge. So they can slay you.

Also, stop trying to change what you said and leave.

[Anon]

How have I changed anything? And white knight = troll that more people agree with. I'm at ends over nothing being said by SE other than "We waiting yall"

Edit: Also.. by definition of troll.. the white knighters are the only true trolls here. I stay on discussion. I am sure to have something pertaining to the original argument. You however.. just made an attacking trolling post. You didn't cover the discussion in any way.

[Haglaz]

alrighty kids...play nice now. let's not get flustered by words. now, you may feel free to get bent over sticks and stone, and nuclear radiation!

[Toby]

From TEPCO: http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031907-e.html

Press Release (Mar 19,2011)
Implementation plan of rolling blackout on and after Sunday, March 20, 2011


Due to the power supply-demand balance, TEPCO has been implementing rolling
blackout since Monday, March 14. We sincerely regret causing anxiety and
inconvenience to our customers and the society. We appreciate your
cooperation in conserving electricity consumption.
As for customers who will be subject to rolling blackout, please be
prepared for the announced blackout periods. Also as for customers who are
not subject to blackouts, we would appreciate your continuous cooperation
in reducing electricity usage by turning off unnecessary lightings and
electrical appliances.

○Implementation plan of rolling blackout on Sunday, March 20
Regional blocks are not scheduled on March 20th considering today's
electricity supply-demand.

○Implementation plan of rolling blackout from Monday, March 21st to
26th, Saturday
Please refer to the appendix for details.

●Starting and ending time of blackout periods may slightly differ.
●Depending on the supply-demand balance of the day, planned blackouts may
not be carried out. Moreover, in case the electricity supply-demand
balance becomes tighter than expected, we will reconsider the rolling
blackout plan and inform you accordingly before we implement the revised
plan.
●A blackout may occur in the adjacent areas where the planned blackouts are
carried out.

[Others]
●In order to prevent fire, please make sure to switch off electric
appliances such as hair driers when you leaving home.
●Please pay attention to the traffic at the crossings in case the traffic
light may suddenly turn off.

[Improvement in implementing planned blackouts]
●In principle, we will implement the planned blackout based on the current
plan. However, we do realize that there is room for improvement.
Therefore, we will continue to consider and improve implementation plans
from the customers' point of view.


○Prediction of demand and supply on March 19
Estimated Demand 31,000 MW(18:00 - 19:00)
Supply Capacity 34,500 MW

○Prediction of demand and supply on March 20
Estimated Demand 31,000 MW(18:00 - 19:00)
Supply Capacity 34,000 MW




Looks like Servers wont be up until end of next week.

[Zyeriis]

How have I changed anything? And white knight = troll that more people agree with. I'm at ends over nothing being said by SE other than "We waiting yall"

Edit: Also.. by definition of troll.. the white knighters are the only true trolls here. I stay on discussion. I am sure to have something pertaining to the original argument. You however.. just made an attacking trolling post. You didn't cover the discussion in any way.

Just going to post everything you've posted, in order.


I for one am done. Flame me all you like... We as a player base have dealt with SE's inept approach to everything for years now. I'll be taking my talents to Rift until a suitable replacement hits the market. Yes I feel for the country of Japan in this dire time. I feel nothing but contempt for a multi-million dollar company that won't make previsions for its' player base.


I merely shared my discontent with the situation. So all you fanboys keep posting and aiming at me. Check this out... I gear swap and believe in haste gear as well.

Waiting for posts that cover the discussion...


And the name was available. How could I not take it? Of course they can link it to my account. But when I made it last week I had the intention of posting in some of the GLORIOUS threads you guys have here. But I didn't want the level of general... what's the word here... let's just call it the "special" way the majority of the posters here think and approach the game... to follow me in game. My point is still valid. Something could have been done and wasn't. Nor will there be anything done. So why should we wait for another month? Have you seen the news? Do you not see how bad it really is? Do you really think the power supply will be stable on the 22nd.? Really? Hahahahaaaaaaaa


That is your definition of hostile? So was Pappa Smurf a general in your lateral thought process?
Seems to me alot of you have a problem with staying on the topic. And you rather enjoy making stabs at those of us with the gumption to have a negative remark towards the business sense of a company we expect results from. I don't mind a witty retort from most people here. Too bad that has yet to happen ;(

The way this is being handled on Square's end is not business smart. Period. You can't sway my judgment on the matter. I have a right to my opinion no matter how many of you fanboys, funboys, and forum derelicts don't like it. So keep it coming. <3

That's "adding to the discussion"? Hypocritical post is hypocritical.


Raist = Charitou? Or just a 3rd cousin?


All I see is you telling everyone you can that resistance is futile. How many times do we have to say it? Those of us that aren't happy with Sqeenixs' approach are sympathetic to the seriousness of the situation the Japanese people face at this time. But that has 0... absolutely 0... to do with a business handling their business.

What does that add?


No Avina it is you with the same broken arguement/fanboy approach. They are doing nothing in the way of rectifying this situation to a satisfactory level for a number of us. And no matter how many "down on bended knee" post by people like you are made.. people like me will not agree and do not care. Period.

Discussion. {Where?}


The lack of information as pertaining to what they are doing is exactly what's missing. That is what we're not happy with. Thank you for pointing this out. Right after I did. As you tried to continue to flame me. But succeeded in making my point. TY <3


So the BG "elite hardcore players" are here now! Awesome. I was wondering how long it would take your redundant better, faster, stronger mentality to finish up this masterpiece. Let's give you guys (and all your unfathomable knowledge) a general break down. The white knighters are trolling and flaming every one who has an issue with the way this has been handled. We all agree on one point. What happened in Japan is a tragedy that changes daily. We all feel a level of compassion towards Japan as a people. My one true issue as I've tried to point out time and again is that for over 8 years I've paid my dues. I've dealt with what I personally consider to be an inept company that is inferior in application of true customer service the whole time. I know the servers being down is a good thing. I understand why they have chosen to leave them down like they have. I commend the Japanese people for their efforts thus far.
However that is no excuse for no communication. I don't care about the logistics. I want to know what they are doing. It's just that simple. So BGers! come join the white knighters! Say the exact same thing they're saying the with what you think is a more thought out logical explanation that no-one can deny! Bring your "elite hardcore better than the casual player" flavor on over. Then we'll have everything here!

Except an explanation from Square Enix.

You changed the fact that you are leaving (you're still here) and that you said people could flame you (regardless of whether they did or not). Touting your own disgust for those who are touting theirs makes them worse by default, got it. They are definently the ones that were inflammatory first or posted the first trolling comments in this thread. You didn't do that, every single time you made a post. The above definently does not show this.

[Anon]

One post in there (the remark about Raist) didn't say anything about the situation. My bad on one post. every other post mentioned it some form or fashion. I never said I'm not leaving. I'm still done. But after reading the posting rules for the sight... no where does it say I have to play FFxi to interject and give my opinion. And is the Raist stab even in this thread? I don't care enough to backtrack and see. Makes me feel good you went through the trouble to do this though. <3

SE has provided myself with unacceptable communication. You white knighters go down in flames eventually. You will just like the rest kind sir. So keep trolling me. I'm ok with it. I'm not ok with the lack of communication SE has atm. Anything else not pertaining to the thread content you'd like to add? Read the post again. One from all of 'em doesn't cover the thread. One. I'm sure if I read through all your (although I cba to care what someone like yourself post anyway) I'm sure the number of offhand flaming trolling post would outnumber mine. Like you said. A troll is a troll. Now share that trout you caught under this bridge before the true white knighters get off their horse and own you, me, and almost every other poster in all these threads.

Edit: And yes they cover the context. I have to repeat it daily. SE's communication is not good enough for me. So troll away kind sir~

[Anon]

"SE's communication is not good enough for me." you complain too much and no girl will touch you.

You see this pearl of wisdom? Boy oh boy.... All the flaming and trolling you guys are doing doesn't change the facts. Not one of you have tried to defend and say that I'm wrong about Square's communication. Not one. I'm sure now some of you will say what has been said is ok with you. The fact that you wait until I point out how you're all trolls and what you could have done to not be trolls invalidates it though. Perception is perception though. I still stand firm. SE's communication could and should be better in my opinion.

Edit: and this is what this thread is about. SE's communicating what's next. Trolls.

[Zyeriis]

One post in there (the remark about Raist) didn't say anything about the situation. My bad on one post. every other post mentioned it some form or fashion. I never said I'm not leaving. I'm still done. But after reading the posting rules for the sight... no where does it say I have to play FFxi to interject and give my opinion. And is the Raist stab even in this thread? I don't care enough to backtrack and see. Makes me feel good you went through the trouble to do this though. <3

SE has provided myself with unacceptable communication. You white knighters go down in flames eventually. You will just like the rest kind sir. So keep trolling me. I'm ok with it. I'm not ok with the lack of communication SE has atm. Anything else not pertaining to the thread content you'd like to add? Read the post again. One from all of 'em doesn't cover the thread. One. I'm sure if I read through all your (although I cba to care what someone like yourself post anyway) I'm sure the number of offhand flaming trolling post would outnumber mine. Like you said. A troll is a troll. Now share that trout you caught under this bridge before the true white knighters get off their horse and own you, me, and almost every other poster in all these threads.

Edit: And yes they cover the context. I have to repeat it daily. SE's communication is not good enough for me. So troll away kind sir~

Mentioning the topic of the thread =/= adding to discussion. End of story. I never White Knighted, though I can see how skewed your perspective is, considering you're going to call everyone who disagrees with you a White Knighter, which in and of itself is an admittance that you view your comments as something more parts pure negativity rather than constructive.

There's also the matter that I fixed the "aren't" to "are" in the comment regarding whether or not you were leaving (before you posted that, probably during the time you were but, still, if we want to talk typos, you made some yourself). If you are leaving, there's no point in posting here, as you're leaving, or so you claim.

You think backtracking took more than 30 seconds to get all that? No, it didn't because your posts were easy to spot.

Otherwise, you showed and claimed you wouldn't change your "opinion" (that you state as fact) that they were doing absolutely nothing about the situation regardless of what was said. How is that part of the discussion again?

Not to mention the complete arrogance of your first post, with all of your "talent".

You can continue to disregard the fact that if they had kept the servers up and the servers kept going out due to blackouts, you would complain about that instead and call the company irresponsible for not just turning them off. If you claim the blackouts wouldn't affect the servers, then you'd be here (or some one else would) calling Square Enix evil for not heeding their Goverment's and TEPCO's request to conserve energy. If they conserved energy by turning off the servers every so often, you'd be here trolling about how they keep shutting down the servers. In the end, no matter what they did in this disaster, they would've done something "bad for business" under your troll arguments (i shouldn't say arguments as you never contributed anything to the discussion, ever, in any of those posts, no matter how you try to play it) because you would've just made other baseless assumptions on what they are doing. Sure, the next step in your supposed non-existant argument is that they should be telling us what they're doing, which they have, twice, and announced when their next announcement will be (in two days) regarding the situation. If they're too busy getting shit done, which you seem to think they aren't because they aren't saying anything (which they have), I'd rather them be silently getting said shit done rather than wasting their time with something as frivolous as appeasing stupid trolls such as yourself, especially in such a time of crisis.

There, happy? No, doubt it, you're just going to continue your trolling through attempts to derail/not contribute anything. All of this has been said, throughout multiple threads. You can continue to believe yourself to be some fountain of unfathomable knowledge or perception such as knowing exactly what SE is doing right now but, in the end, you're still a troll and a flamer. You are also the first person to flame, which you have yet to refute in any way (nor can). End of "discussion". Now leave, like you claimed you were, as your opinions have no place in a game you are not part of, whether they be about the company or the game itself.

[Chiibi]

You see this pearl of wisdom? Boy oh boy.... All the flaming and trolling you guys are doing doesn't change the facts. Not one of you have tried to defend and say that I'm wrong about Square's communication. Not one. I'm sure now some of you will say what has been said is ok with you. The fact that you wait until I point out how you're all trolls and what you could have done to not be trolls invalidates it though. Perception is perception though. I still stand firm. SE's communication could and should be better in my opinion.

Edit: and this is what this thread is about. SE's communicating what's next. Trolls.

*facepalm* you took my comment and made THAT out of it. okay ill defend se's lack of information with a simple phrase (and please do try and take this in.)

"THEY HAVE BETTER THINGS TO FOCUS ON RIGHT NOW."

k ^.^b People are still missing and people are still moarning (sp?) Deal with it. Jesus 1 forum and a twitter account STILL isnt enough for you? What, would you like SE to email you with their business plan every week?

[Anon]

My post are in reaction to your continued flaming. How did this convo between you and I get started? Oh that's right. You flamed/trolled me. Having the opinion of the masses doesn't make you right. Disagreeing with the masses doesn't make me wrong. Perception.

One more time fellas. Perception. I can't change yours nor have I tried. But you continue to try and validate how my perception of how SE not communicating more is wrong. I wanted SE to tell us what they're doing. Not to tell us that they were waiting. Like it or not none of us are right or wrong in the grand scheme of things. If you feel better about yourselves continuing in your attempts to troll me then keep going.

Nothing you nitwits can type out will change my opinion on the lack of information given to the community by SE. Oh and don't type so much Z. I promise I won't read more than 2 sentences. I don't respect your opinion as it has been given. I know what you're going to say. The same thing everyone else has said. So make it short and sweet. Just troll like the trolls you are or see your way into another thread and try not trolling there.

[etsunetsu]

Metal gear solid online servers have been back up since the 16th and trhere located in japan too.

[Zyeriis]

My post are in reaction to your continued flaming. How did this convo between you and I get started? Oh that's right. You flamed/trolled me. Having the opinion of the masses doesn't make you right. Disagreeing with the masses doesn't make me wrong. Perception.

One more time fellas. Perception. I can't change yours nor have I tried. But you continue to try and validate how my perception of how SE not communicating more is wrong. I wanted SE to tell us what they're doing. Not to tell us that they were waiting. Like it or not none of us are right or wrong in the grand scheme of things. If you feel better about yourselves continuing in your attempts to troll me then keep going.

Nothing you nitwits can type out will change my opinion on the lack of information given to the community by SE. Oh and don't type so much Z. I promise I won't read more than 2 sentences. I don't respect your opinion as it has been given. I know what you're going to say. The same thing everyone else has said. So make it short and sweet. Just troll like the trolls you are or see your way into another thread and try not trolling there.

Ah, so you want people to counter your non existent arguments but refuse to read them. Figured. You're also the one that claimed you were adding to a "discussion" which involves actually talking to some one, which you haven't done. (And are refusing to do)

[Anon]

Exactly. I gave my opinion on the matter. you guys continue to flame me for it. From page 1. I exit and leave it be. Someone like you drags me back in it. This whole tit-for-tat between you and I wasn't needed. but you couldn't leave well enough alone. You had to get on the bandwagon and troll troll troll. For you and everyone else: I do not care about the logistics. I do feel for the people of Japan and what they're going through. I understand why the servers are down. I do not accept SE's lack of communication as acceptable. You attacked me; like so many others have. I merely defended my position on the situation. <3

[Zyeriis]

Exactly. I gave my opinion on the matter. you guys continue to flame me for it. From page 1. I exit and leave it be. Someone like you drags me back in it. This whole tit-for-tat between you and I wasn't needed. but you couldn't leave well enough alone. You had to get on the bandwagon and troll troll troll. For you and everyone else: I do not care about the logistics. I do feel for the people of Japan and what they're going through. I understand why the servers are down. I do not accept SE's lack of communication as acceptable. You attacked me; like so many others have. I merely defended my position on the situation. <3

All I hear is you saying that your first wasn't inflammatory, when the first lines of that post, included the context: Go ahead and flame me. Say what you will, you knew what you were doing when you posted. Now you're trying to change what you said. Who was it that claimed you were adding to the "discussion"? Discussions aren't stating your opinion and leaving, sorry, especially not knowingly-inflammatory ones (a la trolling). Why is it trolling? See: inflammatory. See: returning to continue inflammatory postings. See: If it doesn't bother you, stop posting more inflammatory things. See: stop trying to change what you said to make you seem (to yourself) like you were the one taking the high road (a la white knighting or black knighting, take your pick).

[Ilax]

Huh is this mini drama the reason Raist had to create a new thread talking about same thing in another thread?

I have to agree with Anon, because so far we read a lots of stuff here and there, but still no news from SE, but hey good news is i see some POST get tagged "Inflammatory Comments" so i guess it prove some presence. Who the hell know maybe MOD/DEV/SE can't communicate together also.. In the end can't totally disagree from what Anon say.

*Edit*

I almost forget the frustration about the EMAIL i got from them with these lovely line:


This message has been sent to you for notification purposes only, and we are unable to address further inquires via replies to this email. Should you have any additional questions or concerns, we ask that you visit the SQUARE ENIX Support Center at http://support.na.square-enix.com/

Is always fun receive a one way email, and even more fun to be sent into a dead end URL where obviously you wont find any answer.

No worry they know how to communicate with you, just good luck to reply anything to them, i was thinking this forum would help a bit more on they communication, apparently this was again just a false hope.

[Anon]

I can see it's impossible to make you understand Z. Yes I expected some flaming and trolling. Which I got. And responded in kind. But here we are.. 20+ pages later... and someone like yourself has to add fuel to the fire daily. See: Can't leave well enough alone. I haven't changed my stance. I haven't flamed anyone who did not flame me first. I'd almost apologize that you don't get the joke in the talent part. But hey it's not my fault you don't get it! Look... you want a peaceful resolution? I'd say no.. you don't. So let's agree to disagree. You leave me be and I'll leave you alone in return. Either way: SE has yet to communicate anything as pertaining to what they plan to do or not to do. Period. Fact that you can't in any way justify to me as a person. Thank you for what was almost a witty retort <3

[NightDagger]

Is it tomorrow or Tuesday (in Canada) that we get the next update?

[Anon]

This should add some context to my original post
WARNING: This in no way contributes to the thread! It does cause me to smile. And I hope it does the same for you~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffJvDgBrwMI

[Xeth]

Is it tomorrow or Tuesday (in Canada) that we get the next update?

March 22nd in Japan is March 21st for me (Canada, East Coast). If they announce something at midnight on the 22nd, it will be 12PM noon for me. They are EXACTLY 12 hours ahead of me.

[etsunetsu]

it will be 22nd in japan in 17hrs and 22 minutes

[Anon]

So it's mt fault.. that after I posted... you guys took it upon yourselves to continually flame. My fault? I showed displeasure with square Enix. I explained why. And yet with the intellect of a 5 year old you refuse to accept it. Bad things happen all around us every day. There is nothing we can do to stop nor change it. People disagree everywhere about everything. There is nothing you can do to change it. Thinking you're right and I'm wrong is your choice. But you continue to blame me. Tell you what I'll do. I'll let you read all of my post again. Go have a look. They are reactionary (that means I responded to someone because of something they posted). I haven't attacked anyone other than Raist once. And I don't care what ya' say.. that was funny. He is comparable to the Charitou of old. But you? You're absolutely mindless. Worse than I.

At least I can see the point of view about compassion and understanding. But right after you flame bait me back into this... you blame me for it? Oh wait I know. It's the independent thinking thing isn't it? Or is just that you are more likely to be one of the most ignorant people to ever puke your opinion on a keyboard?

Either way stop attacking me. Stop saying it's my fault that people like you can't accept my perception. And again.... SE needs to say more for people like myself that want to know more. Saying absolutely nothing is akin to you blaming me for all the flaming. The first 2~3 pages? My fault. The rest? And you? I'm sorry you're such a miserable person you can't stop. What else you got funboy?

[Anela]

it will be 22nd in japan in 17hrs and 22 minutes

Ah, that they could turn the game back on then..... Wishful thinking.....

[NightDagger]

Yeah i changed it >< I do still feel the same but just figured why would/did I just add more fuel to the fire (especially at $1.25 a liter). My only point was that is no one keeps posting to him & saying off topic remarks, he will have nothing to post back to people.

I did not mean it towards anyone but it is just the fact that if two people are arguing & pointing figures at each other they are both wrong. It takes a bigger man to just walk away and say nothing then to start stuff.

He does have a point though. You may not agree with his point but that is your opinion & he has his opinion. It is unbelievable the amount of people on the forums that feel EVERYONE should think the way they do. It is as if a lot of these people are under 18 years of age. Cause I know I am an adult & act accordingly!!

[Zyeriis]

So it's mt fault.. that after I posted... you guys took it upon yourselves to continually flame. My fault? I showed displeasure with square Enix. I explained why. And yet with the intellect of a 5 year old you refuse to accept it. Bad things happen all around us every day. There is nothing we can do to stop nor change it. People disagree everywhere about everything. There is nothing you can do to change it. Thinking you're right and I'm wrong is your choice. But you continue to blame me. Tell you what I'll do. I'll let you read all of my post again. Go have a look. They are reactionary (that means I responded to someone because of something they posted). I haven't attacked anyone other than Raist once. And I don't care what ya' say.. that was funny. He is comparable to the Charitou of old. But you? You're absolutely mindless. Worse than I.

At least I can see the point of view about compassion and understanding. But right after you flame bait me back into this... you blame me for it? Oh wait I know. It's the independent thinking thing isn't it? Or is just that you are more likely to be one of the most ignorant people to ever puke your opinion on a keyboard?

Either way stop attacking me. Stop saying it's my fault that people like you can't accept my perception. And again.... SE needs to say more for people like myself that want to know more. Saying absolutely nothing is akin to you blaming me for all the flaming. The first 2~3 pages? My fault. The rest? And you? I'm sorry you're such a miserable person you can't stop. What else you got funboy?

Another post where you say things that I could also say about you? Terrific.

Oh wait, there's the difference in that your the catalyst still. I also never denied adding fiuel to the fire of stupidity that you've been spouting. Then again, so have you. Not that you're reading this or have actually read anything I've posted (which is blatantly obvious and has been admitted several times by you.)

And no, you just claim to see the full picture of the compassion and understanding. In the meantime you amuse yourself with assumptions that they have the time (there's no way they were directly affected by the disaster, that's im-***-possible!) to update you on everything little thing they do, rather than handling their own *** on top of getting shit ready. No, they should be having lots of meetings on what information to release instead. It is hardly a bad business practice to not be appeasing every little stupid thing "people like you" want, when there are far more pressing issues.

[Anon]

No you can't say that about me. You attacked me. And continue to do so. That's not perception. That's fact. How we see the current situation with Square Enix are our own perceptions. I have made generalizing statements concerning the Japanese situation. Not being Japanese nor living there doesn't afford me more than feeling bad for it. Hence I can only use empathy to a certain degree. Either way Square's inability to be more informative hasn't changed. And neither has your unfounded and ridiculous approach. You are the first person that I've said is wrong. You are wrong in assuming you guys trolling me is my fault (as previously stated this is after page 2~3 of this thread; those flames were my fault). And please... keep it somewhat civil. I don't mind a good quip here and there but to lose your control to the point that you use such language? My goodness. Cussing won't work either. You can pm me if you'd like and really let loose. Don't worry I'm not the reporting type. But it seems I am the type to get to you... because of my own opinion... that you don't like... hahahahahahahaaaaaaa

[NightDagger]

Anon,

Just do what I did & report him for the attacks & profanity. MOD's will look after the problem & rectify it. If you just don't respond back he will not be able to keep attacking you!!

[Emdub]

Greetings!

It appears as though this thread has delivered the information that was its original intent but has now gone a bit off the mark. We're going to go ahead and lock it at this point.

Please note that off topic posts and flaming/trolling others will lead to a suspension of posting privileges.

Thank you for your cooperation and understanding and many apologies for any inconvenience this may cause!

-=Game Master Emdub=-