Converting cruor to gil

[Hashmalum]

We've all been doing it by using cruor to buy chocobo blinkers then NPCing them for gil for a long time now. The dev team should by now be well aware of this. It could be eliminated, trivially and without side-effects, by adjusting the NPC sale price of chocobo blinkers. But they have refused to do so. I can only conclude that the dev team is perfectly fine with the idea of converting cruor to gil.

However, this procedure is tedious and requires lots of inventory space. So I propose that an NPC should be added to convert cruor to gil directly. There's even a ready-made lore explanation--it's already been stated in the Voidwatch storyline that Jeuno needs cruor for its anti-Voidwalker efforts and is always wanting more. Jeuno is of course a very wealthy city, made even more so by the fact that they literally mint gil. It would be trivial both code-wise and lore-wise to do it and it would make our lives a lot easier. So why not?

[Reiterpallasch]

Just because they haven't nerfed it yet, doesn't mean they won't.

After all holy waters just got the nerfbat recently, after having their NPC sale price stay the same for oh, I dunno... 10 @#$%ing years.

[Demon6324236]

It would be nice if nothing else if they changed Chocobo Blinkers to stack upto 99 rather than 12. Admittedly I like your idea but the question I would have to ask is what is 1 cruor worth in gil? Max fame 1 cruor = 2.595 gil currently, if SE made a NPC for converting but it was 1 = 1 or 1 = 2 I would probably keep up with this way already just because I get more.

[Luvbunny]

Thanks for sharing this - now everyone can take advantage of them NOW ASAP before SE changed their mind.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Thanks for sharing this - now everyone can take advantage of them NOW ASAP before SE changed their mind.

It's widely known anyway, SE have known about it for ages.

[Kaisha]

Just because they haven't nerfed it yet, doesn't mean they won't.
This method of gil acquisition makes it stupid easy to trap and locate RMT.
Lotta gil they've been freezing the past year - http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/rule/specialtask.html

Don't think they'll adjust it any time soon.

[0nionKn1ght]

What a pointless thread. All this comes across is that you have abused the gil making strat enough now, and don't want others to gain the same as you.

[Fynlar]

What a pointless thread. All this comes across is that you have abused the gil making strat enough now, and don't want others to gain the same as you.

What comes across is you obviously not reading the thread :/

All the topic is asking for is to get rid of the hassle of blinkers as a middleman.

[0nionKn1ght]

What comes across is you obviously not reading the thread :/

All the topic is asking for is to get rid of the hassle of blinkers as a middleman.

Hmm odd im sure I read the whole thing, but my apologies OP, didn't see you were actually making a good suggestion :) - I withdraw my jibey commment :)

[Demon6324236]

Yep the point of the thread is to have a NPC or something of the sort who would "buy" cruor from you for the use of the Voidwatcher forces to use. Honestly it fits with lore and all that which is great, but as I said before, my worry is how much gil SE would give us for 1 cruor, that conversion rate needs to be the same as blinkers or higher, 1 cruor = 3 gil would be wonderful!

[Tamarsamar]

After all holy waters just got the nerfbat recently, after having their NPC sale price stay the same for oh, I dunno... 10 @#$%ing years.

For what it's worth, this happened the exact same update that made it so you could make Holy Waters with Trituration. So yeah. That didn't happen without reason.

[Rohelius]

Having to bug and inconvenience your inventory is all part of the balance of the Cruor/Gil trade.

BARRANCE!!!

[Eric]

I always tell people to sell Rubicund Cells because it's quicker. I love it when idiots undercut everyone and sell their stacks of cells for prices as low as 50k.

It's also a nice way to fight gil inflation because the money is circulated within the community, as opposed to the introduction of new gil via selling stuff to NPCs.

[Sp1cyryan]

This method of gil acquisition makes it stupid easy to trap and locate RMT.
Lotta gil they've been freezing the past year - http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/rule/specialtask.html

Don't think they'll adjust it any time soon.

Because they can clearly tell the difference between RMT and someone making a relic? Someone giving gil to a friend?

SE has historically (anyone remember gardening bans?) just taken a guess with banning people. Then when you did nothing wrong they make you go through hell to try and play again.

People get banned just for having too much gil. It is asinine and beyond obnoxious and it does happen to the wrong people.

The RMT boogeyman should be long past dead, and players done crying with a bridge built over their stream of tears. RMT help keep the game alive just as much as you do. This is not 2005 anymore.
They do not get in the way anymore and take the NMs you want, the XP camps, or really even do any harm anymore since they just cruor burn and fish bot. You should all thank the stars over Sarutabaruta that they have such a benign way of coexisting with players in this game. In fact with their fell cleave burns allowing people to (pretty much for free after selling cruor) go level up while going afk and being in the real world (work, kids, family, dinner, etc). Perhaps you really should thank them.

[Rezeak]

I wish i could covert gil to curor so i could cap out all the good atmacites lol

[Eric]

Because they can clearly tell the difference between RMT and someone making a relic? Someone giving gil to a friend?

SE has historically (anyone remember gardening bans?) just taken a guess with banning people. Then when you did nothing wrong they make you go through hell to try and play again.


I think they've just completely stopped banning unless it's something obvious like clipper (and even then I think most people get away with it).

Just go to Nashmau and look at all the AFK fishbots (most of which aren't even RMT).

[Ophannus]

Crazy that they banned 31,630 players in a single month, 2 years ago. That's a lot of players/mules...

[Frankbrodie]

Be funny if/when they do actually nerf the blinker NPC price they announce it a few days before the update in question. Rather than just ninja-ing it in with the notes.

Just for the sight of us all hammering at those choco NPC's for our blinkers for hours on end to get the gil in the bank before the update.

I've not done it in months anyway. Due to finding other ways to make gil for a while.
But if they introduced the direct trade NPC for cruor > gil, and even vice-versa would make sense if they do, then I would probably worm burn myself to a standstill. :rolleyes:

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Be funny if/when they do actually nerf the blinker NPC price they announce it a few days before the update in question. Rather than just ninja-ing it in with the notes.

Just for the sight of us all hammering at those choco NPC's for our blinkers for hours on end to get the gil in the bank before the update.

I've not done it in months anyway. Due to finding other ways to make gil for a while.
But if they introduced the direct trade NPC for cruor > gil, and even vice-versa would make sense if they do, then I would probably worm burn myself to a standstill. :rolleyes:

I'd be suprised, Cruor > Gil is nothing compared to say Fishing, and they keep giving fishermen ways to make money Hi! 500~1 million fish.

[Meyi]

Just because they haven't nerfed it yet, doesn't mean they won't.

After all holy waters just got the nerfbat recently, after having their NPC sale price stay the same for oh, I dunno... 10 @#$%ing years.

Same thing with Salvage duping. That existed for a very long time and Square Enix did nothing. People had assumed it was an okay thing to do since many had reported it to Square Enix as a glitch only to have nothing done about it. Then one day, bam, ban hammer to everyone who partook in it. -shrug-

Who knows, we could either be looking at a ban hammer for Chocobo Blinkers, or a serious nerf in the future.

I like the idea of having a cruor-to-gil converter NPC in Jeuno. Whether or not Square Enix will actually do it is an entirely different story.

[Arcon]

Same thing with Salvage duping. That existed for a very long time and Square Enix did nothing. People had assumed it was an okay thing to do since many had reported it to Square Enix as a glitch only to have nothing done about it. Then one day, bam, ban hammer to everyone who partook in it. -shrug-

Only the Salvage dupe was not that well known. I didn't even know about it until I got dragged into it once. I wouldn't be surprised if SE never heard of it before the ban.

Also, the Salvage dupe was exploiting a game bug. This is not. They entered the price that way. They may not have noticed all the ramifications, but it's not a bug. People are exploiting a known game mechanic instead of game vulnerability, that's all it is.

[hiko]

itt:
there is a easy way to make gils but it need a lot of walking and i'm too lazy to do it.
please make it even easier an lazier.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Only the Salvage dupe was not that well known. I didn't even know about it until I got dragged into it once. I wouldn't be surprised if SE never heard of it before the ban.

Also, the Salvage dupe was exploiting a game bug. This is not. They entered the price that way. They may not have noticed all the ramifications, but it's not a bug. People are exploiting a known game mechanic instead of game vulnerability, that's all it is.


Exactly. SE does occasionally add ways of easy gil.

Haks, Blinkers etc....

[Kristal]

Chocobo blinkers are not an exploit, but expect it to get nerfed sooner or later. Especially when people are asking for replacement copies of "How to dupe"... (if you get the hint)

[Camiie]

Anecdotal as it may be, I do this every so often and only once have I ever seen anyone doing the same thing at the same time. I play EST prime time and afternoon/evening on the weekends so maybe I'm just missing the swarms of players and RMTs constantly cashing out their cruor for this to even be considered some sort of issue.

[Dragoy]

I have probably bought blinkers once, for the actual quest, so this wouldn't really affect me in any way. Main reason being that I am really low on Cruor, as I don't do regular Abyssea 'partying' or 'cleaving' or whatevers...

While I do understand the frustration it may cause (it would take tons of effort for me to make inventory space for them, because I'm horrible by having all my storages stuffed), but I don't think it needs to be made any easier, really. What it could make is more sense, as in, like you say, help Jeuno with it for example but it doesn't need to be “just talk to someone and get your Gil”.

Getting the blinkers without using them for the quests and selling them elsewhere does not sense make.

In short: while I have not 'sploited' this myself, I don't care if it stays as easy as it is, but I do agree that if they indeed want something like this to be in the game, at least sense make it bubbles...


Edit:

Also, I think there was a similar thread around wherein they said they have no plans to make it easier, or to make it possible to change one 'currency' into another? Perhaps I'll look for it later.

[svengalis]

TC you realize that they will eventually nerf chocobo blinkers price to npc right?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

TC you realize that they will eventually nerf chocobo blinkers price to npc right?

Or, they may not now the Balance master is gone.

[Calamity]

Or, they may not now the Balance master is gone.

Until they figure out what the rmt cleave bots are doing with all their cruor that is. At that point it doesn't matter if most of the people doing it are honest players or not.

[Plasticleg]

arcon, salvage bans were done because ppl were duplicating items, with a few keystrokes.

cruor converting to gil is not duplicating anything.

[Arcon]

arcon, salvage bans were done because ppl were duplicating items, with a few keystrokes.

cruor converting to gil is not duplicating anything.

I know, that was my point. Salvage dupes were exploiting a game vulnerability, Blinkers aren't.

[Winrie]

I dont think they will ever allow us to directly change cruor to Gil, as convienient as that would be, rmt would abuse that to high hell, most are banned mid pl pt anyway before they can even exchange for blinkers or whatever they do with cruor, least on my server. I dont see the need to nerf blinkers whatsoever, ppl who actually have the patience to it keep doing aby PTs and voidwatch to keep accumulating cruor to make money, it's also effective for solo players to make decent Gil, I really hope it isn't touched. Besides the fact, the more accessible Gil is to make, especially Gil you can farm while exping or doing nm fights, not only lessens the need for lazy players to buy Gil from rmt, but keeps ppl doing content that's related. Win win imo

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Until they figure out what the rmt cleave bots are doing with all their cruor that is. At that point it doesn't matter if most of the people doing it are honest players or not.

They earn a lot more by the fact they themselves lead, sell, and cleave the parties. They'll stop AoE killing first.

[Smeggles]

I don't understand how people can sit there spamming the blinker NPC for hours. It's not worth my time and effort, I can make gil elsewhere - I currently spend my cruor on brews to entertain myself, like popping 3 x glavoids / Dhorme at once and AoE brewing them, cause you know thats FUN rather than getting 12 blinkers, getting 12 blinkers, getting 12 blinkers, getting 12 blinkers, getting 12 blinkers, getting 12 blinkers, getting 12 blinkers, getting 12 blinkers, getting 12 blinkers................

[Demon6324236]

I would like to know how people make money, I have a terrible time of it. Then again I hate boring things in my games so I normally reject some of the ideas friends give me. In either case blinker runs are simple, annoying, but effective for me.

[Smeggles]

I would like to know how people make money, I have a terrible time of it. Then again I hate boring things in my games so I normally reject some of the ideas friends give me. In either case blinker runs are simple, annoying, but effective for me.

Dynamis, Campaign, Voidwatch, BCNM, Sky God pops, Crafting - All of these make me more time efficient money than choco blinkering does.

[Demon6324236]

Dynamis, Campaign, Voidwatch, BCNM, Sky God pops, Crafting - All of these make me more time efficient money than choco blinkering does.

AC goes to Excalibur, how does that make money, luck screws me everytime, need more than myself to do most, save sky pops for linkshell events weekly, no high level crafts and I need money I don't have to keep working on my Goldsmithing. So~ ty for the ideas but sadly none seem to be working for me.

[Smeggles]

AC goes to Excalibur, how does that make money, luck screws me everytime, need more than myself to do most, save sky pops for linkshell events weekly, no high level crafts and I need money I don't have to keep working on my Goldsmithing. So~ ty for the ideas but sadly none seem to be working for me.

You can still do BCNM40 (I have completed it Duo with a Paladin and Samurai lol) and Campaign getting voiddust/cells with AN and AH'ing them.

Do your dynamis farm where you get the expensive forgottens drop (my server is thoughts and hopes) so I do xarc/beac and sell the forgottens.

Gil is easy to be made :)

[Mirage]

I would like to know how people make money, I have a terrible time of it. Then again I hate boring things in my games so I normally reject some of the ideas friends give me. In either case blinker runs are simple, annoying, but effective for me.

I sell voiddusts from the enormous stockpiles of IS, CP and AN I have. Then again, I don't really spend that much gil.

Actually though, selling aht urhgan currency with your IS is more profitable than voiddust, but you'll have to be more patient because they don't sell nearly as fast.

[Arcon]

I would like to know how people make money, I have a terrible time of it. Then again I hate boring things in my games so I normally reject some of the ideas friends give me. In either case blinker runs are simple, annoying, but effective for me.

Salvage is fun and good money. Just need people to enter you.


Dynamis, Campaign, Voidwatch, BCNM, Sky God pops, Crafting - All of these make me more time efficient money than choco blinkering does.

All of them are a lot worse than Blinkers. Farming cruor is the best way to make money in the game, especially if you have some mules.

[Reiterpallasch]

Just need people to enter you.
Giggity
/10char

[Demon6324236]

Farming cruor is the best way to make money in the game, especially if you have some mules.I would argue FCing is probably as good if you leave out the mules and fill it with paying people, WAR & RDM dualboxing I used to make about 12Mil every 10 hour cleave I did. Due to the pain Blinker runs cause my fingers I probably end up with more from FC than Blinkers, but I could be wrong and pain doesnt effect everyone the same.
GiggityThank you for that, I needed a good lol for the day! ^_^

[Arcon]

I would argue FCing is probably as good if you leave out the mules and fill it with paying people, WAR & RDM dualboxing I used to make about 12Mil every 10 hour cleave I did.

Likely, but FCing is very popular (at least on Leviathan) and you're likely to have competition, while cruor farming is still pretty new and there's a few good spots for it.

[Windwhisper]

Id be fine with a "Fill me up" option at the NPC instead of pressing ( right, down, enter, 1, 2, enter, enter) for like 50 times till it sais "you cannot obtain...."

[Mirage]

I think you should just be able to enter any number you want, and then the NPC would split it up into as many stacks as you'd need. Like if you entered 120 instead of 12, you'd get 10 stacks of 12 each.

[Suteru]

I think if it were any easier to get the blinkers they would have lowered the NPC sell price by now.

[Smeggles]

All of them are a lot worse than Blinkers. Farming cruor is the best way to make money in the game, especially if you have some mules.

Sorry you misunderstood my point - I never said choco blinkers wasn't good gil. I only ever meant choco blinkers is not a fun thing to do. I would much rather get my gil through other engaging ways in the game (as I mentioned previously) and then have fun with my cruor at the same time :)

[Arcon]

Sorry you misunderstood my point - I never said choco blinkers wasn't good gil. I only ever meant choco blinkers is not a fun thing to do. I would much rather get my gil through other engaging ways in the game (as I mentioned previously) and then have fun with my cruor at the same time :)

I don't disagree, I can't do anything like that without dying of boredome. That's why I mentioned Salvage. The entry requirement is the only thing that sucks about it. If you can get past that, it's fun, actually engaging and requires some sort of skill if you're soloing or 2boxing it. And it's as rewarding as Dynamis if you don't have to split the loot.

[Mifaco]

OP, you got your wish. Great work! I salute you :)

[Ezikiel]

sadness befalls me

[Waldrich]

We've all been doing it by using cruor to buy chocobo blinkers then NPCing them for gil for a long time now. The dev team should by now be well aware of this. It could be eliminated, trivially and without side-effects, by adjusting the NPC sale price of chocobo blinkers. But they have refused to do so. I can only conclude that the dev team is perfectly fine with the idea of converting cruor to gil.

However, this procedure is tedious and requires lots of inventory space. So I propose that an NPC should be added to convert cruor to gil directly. There's even a ready-made lore explanation--it's already been stated in the Voidwatch storyline that Jeuno needs cruor for its anti-Voidwalker efforts and is always wanting more. Jeuno is of course a very wealthy city, made even more so by the fact that they literally mint gil. It would be trivial both code-wise and lore-wise to do it and it would make our lives a lot easier. So why not?

So, Hardcore players though they weren't affected by this update, but who the hell will keep buying all their Umbral Marrows without being able to convert cruor to gil... alot of people made relic and their upgrade to 99 this way.

Soloing dynamis all days is boring, farming cruor and converting cruor to gil was boring... it'll affect the overall price of everything.

[Iakothm]

So, Hardcore players though they weren't affected by this update, but who the hell will keep buying all their Umbral Marrows without being able to convert cruor to gil... alot of people made relic and their upgrade to 99 this way.

Soloing dynamis all days is boring, farming cruor and converting cruor to gil was boring... it'll affect the overall price of everything.

what you said makes no sense especially since what you quoted had nothing to do with what you said.

[Trisscar]

So, Hardcore players though they weren't affected by this update, but who the hell will keep buying all their Umbral Marrows without being able to convert cruor to gil... alot of people made relic and their upgrade to 99 this way.

Soloing dynamis all days is boring, farming cruor and converting cruor to gil was boring... it'll affect the overall price of everything.

It was pisant elitists that probably caused this to happen, I'd bet. Altana forbid that the common players actually be able to afford good gear.

[JohnGotti]

Gotta keep the common man down imo. The ego the common man got once they first got there hands on empyrean weapons was enough for me to hope the common man never gets good gear/weapons ever again

[Camiie]

Gotta keep the common man down imo. The ego the common man got once they first got there hands on empyrean weapons was enough for me to hope the common man never gets good gear/weapons ever again

You're just some guy playing a video game. You ARE the common man.

[Merton9999]

You're just some guy playing a video game. You ARE the common man.

This. Also, the comedy of the self-proclaimed video game elitists not knowing how to spell will never get old for me.

[hiko]

Gotta keep the common man down imo. The ego the common man got once they first got there hands on empyrean weapons was enough for me to hope the common man never gets good gear/weapons ever again
the ego the common men got when they got a relic (when it was hard) using other people was way bigger.

the common man hidding behind a lvl1mule calling out other common men ego is even worse

[Babekeke]

This. Also, the comedy of the self-proclaimed video game elitists not knowing how to spell will never get old for me.

Unfortunately, you don't need an education to play a video game or post on the internet. Personally I'd like to see a system where you get benned from the forums after 10 spelling mistakes/grammatical errors that aren't corrected, or 5 in the same post.

But that's just me :) I blame my father.

[Iakothm]

you guys seem to forget.... you can still convert cruor to gil by using displacers on bosses in vw and charging the fee for the displacer.

[JohnGotti]

the ego the common men got when they got a relic (when it was hard) using other people was way bigger.

the common man hidding behind a lvl1mule calling out other common men ego is even worse

At least that ego was well deserved, empyrean weapons were a joke to make from the get go and as i said the common man ego was huge heck half the time the common scumbags wouldn't even talk to you when you tried to speak to them in abyssea there ego was so huge.

A level 30 mule calling out a level 1 mule classic.

[Fynlar]

Personally I'd like to see a system where you get benned from the forums after 10 spelling mistakes/grammatical errors

Lolz were had

[Raksha]

Personally I'd like to see a system where you get benned from the forums after 10 spelling mistakes/grammatical errors that aren't corrected, or 5 in the same post.



9 more to go.

[Merton9999]

Unfortunately, you don't need an education to play a video game or post on the internet. Personally I'd like to see a system where you get benned from the forums after 10 spelling mistakes/grammatical errors that aren't corrected, or 5 in the same post.

But that's just me :) I blame my father.

I'd welcome that change. I always thought a perfect spell for SCH would be an Embrava style buff that scaled by the relative education level evident in your forum posts. If you can't use "it's" and "its" correctly or insist on inserting apostrophes just to pluralize worlds, then your character can only get 1% Haste!

[JohnGotti]

Wow grammar natzi all up in this place

Mordu quetz number 1 nobody but least he spell eh

[Hashmalum]

you guys seem to forget.... you can still convert cruor to gil by using displacers on bosses in vw and charging the fee for the displacer.Displacers are bought with gil only, not cruor. That won't work.

[Demon6324236]

Thats partly why cruor sucks now as well.

[Iakothm]

Displacers are bought with gil only, not cruor. That won't work.

oh oops my bad I thought it was the other way around never bought em before

[Plasticleg]

a relic (when it was hard)

You're trying too hard.

[Luvbunny]

Displacers are bought with gil only, not cruor. That won't work.

They should make cruors be useful for buying other items in Voidwatch. It is the only currency where you get to keep it and cannot be traded in the traditional sense.

[Mirage]

Can't cruor be traded in the traditional sense?

If you mean the only currency that can't be directly transferred in a trade window, that's false too. IS, AN and CP are currencies in the same fashion as Cruor is, and these can't be traded without first being converted to gil either.

[Luvbunny]

Cruor used to be a great ideas, you farm them, trade for items, sell those items, make gil. In essence you are farming gil, the same way you are farming stackable items to sell to NPC or AH. The difference is you get to amass cruor easily compared to the normal farming methods. And you can have multiple mules set this way and repeat. Just a more convenient efficient ways of making gil in vast amount. Which you would think will render gil somewhat useless other than for buying ancient currency, alexandrite, and all those magian trial weapon items. Still don't understand why this is a problem. If you want the do things faster, you are buying other people's time and effort to cut down your own. Basic economy.

[Iakothm]

Cruor used to be a great ideas, you farm them, trade for items, sell those items, make gil. In essence you are farming gil, the same way you are farming stackable items to sell to NPC or AH. The difference is you get to amass cruor easily compared to the normal farming methods. And you can have multiple mules set this way and repeat. Just a more convenient efficient ways of making gil in vast amount. Which you would think will render gil somewhat useless other than for buying ancient currency, alexandrite, and all those magian trial weapon items. Still don't understand why this is a problem. If you want the do things faster, you are buying other people's time and effort to cut down your own. Basic economy.

farming in mass like that is the problem your mules are doing nothing just sitting there unlike farming regular items. Regular items if you have a mule along don't go into every single players inventory every single kill.

[Luvbunny]

Hence cruor farming is very democratic. Those second account is not free btw. What is different is when you are farming kindred crest or crafting materials, the drop per kill is generally less, but when you are bringing your mules - you are basically bringing inventory slots, and have 14 slots in AH available to use, plus 80 slots for mules to bazaar or holding craft materials for mass crafting and selling later. More time needed to get things done instead of just converting items bought via cruors into gil. Same difference, one method is slightly more efficient than the other.

And we do know that SE hates efficiency in this game. If you found good strategy for winning the content most of the time, chances are it will be adjusted soon enough to make sure that it will not be workable in the future. And yet they are not adjusting said content that made players came up with the winning strategy in the first place. I understand it's all about balance - but Abyssea is balance, Neo Dynamis is balance, Assault, Salvage, Limbus and Einherjar is balance. You put effort, for a certain amount of time, and get rewarded a little toward the bigger goal.

[Iakothm]

Hence cruor farming is very democratic. Those second account is not free btw. What is different is when you are farming kindred crest or crafting materials, the drop per kill is generally less, but when you are bringing your mules - you are basically bringing inventory slots, and have 14 slots in AH available to use, plus 80 slots for mules to bazaar or holding craft materials for mass crafting and selling later. More time needed to get things done instead of just converting items bought via cruors into gil. Same difference, one method is slightly more efficient than the other.

And we do know that SE hates efficiency in this game. If you found good strategy for winning the content most of the time, chances are it will be adjusted soon enough to make sure that it will not be workable in the future. And yet they are not adjusting said content that made players came up with the winning strategy in the first place. I understand it's all about balance - but Abyssea is balance, Neo Dynamis is balance, Assault, Salvage, Limbus and Einherjar is balance. You put effort, for a certain amount of time, and get rewarded a little toward the bigger goal.

Let me point this out
Normal: kill 1 mob get 1 drop maybe
Abyssea: Kill 1 mob get drops for entire party every kill

difference? I think it's obvious

[Iakothm]

Also you can still make money in aby just go to Dom ops parties and use dom op points to get weapons and npc them.

[Luvbunny]

Yup, until the next update that will prevent you to do just that. So instead of fell cleave party, we will see the resurgence of dom ops party again, just like in fall of 2010-summer 2011 before the worm party took over for good lol. Obviously there are still gil to be made, selling pop items in AH and what not. The blinkers fiasco never really affect me at all, good things if it get rid all those afk fell cleave party that encroach at camps where people need it for skill up. And all the better if it can wipe clean those gilsellers from sending you random tells.

[IvyKyori]

I'm sitting on 1.5 mil cruor right now...absolutely useless to me unless I wanna brew something, and who's heard of mages brewing stuff?

(For the record, I did brew Shinryu as a SCH before--awesome damage until he healed half his life again -.- So I know mages do brew stuff :P)

[Camiie]

Also you can still make money in aby just go to Dom ops parties and use dom op points to get weapons and npc them.

For now you can. How long until they nerf that?

[Arcon]

I'm sitting on 1.5 mil cruor right now...absolutely useless to me unless I wanna brew something, and who's heard of mages brewing stuff?

(For the record, I did brew Shinryu as a SCH before--awesome damage until he healed half his life again -.- So I know mages do brew stuff :P)

Brews are for Abyssea only, but there's also Voidwatch, which runs on cruor.

[Demon6324236]

Really before the blinker nerf, you could "brew" VW once a week... I mean through cruor>gil rates it was 1 cruor = 2.595 gil which meant 200k cruor (a brew) was 519k gil, and 519k gil is more than 500k which was needed for 5 Voidclusters, 5 make nearly any VWNM soloable easily, and so effortless that its basically no different than a brew, except your chances at a drop are laughable.

[Mirage]

Cruor used to be a great ideas, you farm them, trade for items, sell those items, make gil. In essence you are farming gil, the same way you are farming stackable items to sell to NPC or AH. The difference is you get to amass cruor easily compared to the normal farming methods. And you can have multiple mules set this way and repeat. Just a more convenient efficient ways of making gil in vast amount. Which you would think will render gil somewhat useless other than for buying ancient currency, alexandrite, and all those magian trial weapon items. Still don't understand why this is a problem. If you want the do things faster, you are buying other people's time and effort to cut down your own. Basic economy.
It's not the same way you are farming stackable items to sell to NPC or AH. Other items that you can NPC are not distributed in greater quantities the more AFK people you have in your alliance. You won't get 18 times as many dark rings if you are in a full alliance of leechers. If you did, that would have been nerfed so hard that even typing the words "dark ring" in the game would automatically disconnect you. Furthermore, dark rings, in this example, are farmed specifically to make gil, except the two best ones you find, which you'll wear.

As for AH sales, that is even more different. There is this thing you might have heard of called supply and demand, and there's a lot of it going on at the AH. It leads to products that there is an overflood of not being valued as highly as items that are rare. I am sure you can agree that cruor isn't rare, and I'm pretty sure you can agree that it is not in high demand either, so why should you get a lot of money from it?

You're talking about buying other people's time and basic economy. However, whose time are you buying when it took them 0 time to get the gil? If someone is going to buy your time, you have to give up your time. you can't both sell your time to someone else, and at the same time spend that time on yourself. That's the same as having your cake and eating it too.


For now you can. How long until they nerf that?

Probably a long time, as you can't get dom notes afk. you have to be there and constantly talk to the npc. Unless there is another popular bot I don't know of.

If you want a gil source that is extremely unlikely to be nerfed, go for methods that don't rely on NPC selling.

[Luvbunny]

Gold boxes items should be able to be sold to NPC. The fact that they fetch nice prices is great. It will encouraged more people to explore abyssea dead zones. There are still TONS of ways to make gil that does not involve blinkering. I never really did it, and I am not poor or in need gil at all. Cruor did pretty much kill the need for gil, other than a source of funding for your relic and mythic. The nerf was in due indeed. The job nerf is not :)

[Zagen]

Gold boxes items should be able to be sold to NPC. The fact that they fetch nice prices is great. It will encouraged more people to explore abyssea dead zones. There are still TONS of ways to make gil that does not involve blinkering. I never really did it, and I am not poor or in need gil at all. Cruor did pretty much kill the need for gil, other than a source of funding for your relic and mythic. The nerf was in due indeed. The job nerf is not :)
Until SE adds a substantial gil sink that's appealing to everyone this won't happen.

Current in game example: Abyssea Konschtat gold boxes have the most valuable NPCable items in them (dark rings 33k~), yet everyone EXPs in Abyssea La Thaine or Misareaux instead.

Oh and by the way the moment SE adds that substantial gil sink as a consequence the amount of RMT activity will increase.

[Luvbunny]

They did add that event, it is called Legion, it failed spectacularly. So yeah, most people in the game don't really farm, considering gears are pretty much rare/ex now, and you get it free by doing your grinding on magian trials, up to a point where you then have to start buying the items needed to upgrade. The one that fetch high prices are the occasional accessories and some of those hard to obtain spells from BCNM etc...

[Zagen]

They did add that event, it is called Legion, it failed spectacularly. So yeah, most people in the game don't really farm, considering gears are pretty much rare/ex now, and you get it free by doing your grinding on magian trials, up to a point where you then have to start buying the items needed to upgrade. The one that fetch high prices are the occasional accessories and some of those hard to obtain spells from BCNM etc...

I said:

Until SE adds a substantial gil sink that's appealing to everyone this won't happen.
Note: Appealing in the line.

Legion even if it wasn't a nightmare of an event, wouldn't appeal to the masses.

I mean do you see those players who're still running around in aurore/teal/perle jumping for abjurations to make the gear from legion? Considering they haven't bothered to get Emp +1/2 items yet, I don't.

[Luvbunny]

They added one for the casual, it's called Meeble Burrow. Again, it is still failed to catch traction :) Bad game design = no one really care. They should let you do Meeble Burrow x 5 a day, and make it like Moblin Maze, so it does not consume everyone KI, if they are sticking with the once per 20 hour limit. This way, a party of 6 can go 6 times a day. A hardcore players can go as many times as they want and just keep joining fresh group or add new people in the rotation.

[Zagen]

They added one for the casual, it's called Meeble Burrow. Again, it is still failed to catch traction :) Bad game design = no one really care.
Burrows a poor example of a gil sink beyond the initial 2k you don't even have to spend gil to progress since you can use research marks.

[Demon6324236]

Thats the problem, people who want would fly through it...

[Demon6324236]

Not only is burrows a poor example of a gil sink beyond the initial 2k you don't even have to spend gil to progress since you can use research marks.

Look at the list of items you can buy. (http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Burrow_Researcher)

[Zagen]

Look at the list of items you can buy. (http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Burrow_Researcher)

Ok your point? You still don't have to spend gil. All gil does is give you a faster option once you've cleared the whole event once.

[Demon6324236]

It is a potential money drain as anyone wanting to spam the boss has to pay 6mil per person to run the fight again right after, which will drain money quite nice if people do it, and the only choice is wait 5 days per KI, or pay roughly 1.1~1.2Mil gil for each one you want to simply skip & buy.

[Zagen]

It is a potential money drain as anyone wanting to spam the boss has to pay 6mil per person to run the fight again right after, which will drain money quite nice if people do it, and the only choice is wait 5 days per KI, or pay roughly 1.1~1.2Mil gil for each one you want to simply skip & buy.
Potential cost of 1 million is not a true gil sink. I'm talking about Limbus, old Dynamis those are/were gil sinks, you know like legion requires gil to enter.

Oh also anyone who could look at the price tag of 1 million gil and not be worried about it probably isn't doing Burrows for the side-grade gear to the gear they already have. When Luvbunny said "for casuals" she was right burrows is designed for players with a less dedicated/hard core mentality about the game. These are the same people who are more likely to think 1 million gil is a lot of gil to them because "making gil is hard".

[OmnysValefor]

I played years ago. I quit just before the moogle expansions came out. Kujata (my homeserver) was nearly dead and it just wasn't fun anymore.

I came back for a short time last year, and returned again this year.

Somehow, cruor improved the game's economy. I think the mega-rich just stopped caring about gil so much. Great AH gear last month is only about the same as great AH gear a few years ago. The difference is that plastrons and osodes and Aristocrat's coats were out of reach of many players' wealth. With cruor, anyone could be rich.

Years ago, many many people who had wealth either leeched it from an ls they ran/helped run, or they stole it, or they bought it. A few got lucky, and several people did earn it honest. There still was a lot of deceit involved.

With cruor, RMT wasn't needed. Valefor, and I'm sure every other server, had that aga leech parties most likely run by rmt and noone minded. It doesn't matter how much gil Aaaoa (Valefor's rmt shoutbot) had, very few people were buying it.

I'm not directly affected by the nerf at all. I hadn't moved off a million cruor in a month prior, and that wasn't where my gil was coming from. It was a nice fallback if I needed gil fast, but I wasn't using it. The only way it's reached me is that I notice more competition.

There were a few ways to nerf RMT that wouldn't have greatly affected players, including just banning these rmt faster. It's interesting that Aaaoa has changed his name 3 or four times in a few months but he still uses the same warrior and same RDM.

[Mirage]

If they changed their name 4 times in a few months, doesn't that just mean the characters got banned and remade?

[Hashmalum]

If they changed their name 4 times in a few months, doesn't that just mean the characters got banned and remade?That "whoosh" you just heard was the sound of the point whizzing right over your head. Yes, that is exactly what all those changes of name meant, and he was saying that maybe the STF should try actually banning all the RMT instead of just some of them.