Non-Wiki Players

[RagingAvatar]

We need to unite.
We should declare a server to be *the one* for non-wiki players and form a Linkshell for us.
That way we know we're playing with likeminded players.

What do you (non-wiki players) think?
Wiki players, your opinion isn't particularly wanted here - I've read all the arguments for wiki playing ("stop living in the past etc.") - but this is for us.

[Meyi]

Have fun being lost and confused. ^^

[Shadowsong]

Chains of Promathia - Mission 5-3 "Three Paths"
Missions Description: "To break the Wyrmking's pact, you must locate the Keeper of the Apocalypse as quickly as possible. To do that you must first learn more about Al'Taieu, as well as find Prishe and the mysterious boy."

Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh, good luck doing any mission or quest in the game.

[Demon6324236]

Chains of Promathia - Mission 5-3 "Three Paths"
Missions Description: "To break the Wyrmking's pact, you must locate the Keeper of the Apocalypse as quickly as possible. To do that you must first learn more about Al'Taieu, as well as find Prishe and the mysterious boy."

Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh, good luck doing any mission or quest in the game.

Honestly a problem I have always had in this game, quests & missions often leave you without much(if any) idea about what you are supposed to do next, or where to go.

[Reiterpallasch]

Which is exactly why people use wiki, and why it's lulzy to even think about playing entirely without it.

[Mirage]

Now if this was a single player game where I could talk to every remotely relevant NPC in just 5-10 minutes, I would be fine with brute-forcing my way to the next quest/mission npc. When the game could take half an hour of walking between NPCs, sorry, don't have that kind of time (or patience).

[Demon6324236]

Now if this was a single player game where I could talk to every remotely relevant NPC in just 5-10 minutes, I would be fine with brute-forcing my way to the next quest/mission npc. When the game could take half an hour of walking between NPCs, sorry, don't have that kind of time (or patience).

Honestly thats how they seem to have designed the games quests & missions. It seems alot like normal Final Fantasy games, which is bad, normaly they have a linear feel somewhat, you know for the most part where to go or what to do. Even if you dont, there are normaly hints or clues in what people have said or done to guide you. In FFXI we have none of that, you get a vague pointer of what to do that kinda leaves you with no idea where in the giant world to go.

[Limecat]

I imagine people who play the game without a wiki to be like those pigs in pork farms that live in small cages and are constantly shrieking while throwing themselves at the bars or gnawing on them.

[Plasticleg]

WAR starts out with a 1-handed Sword; that must be the best weapon for WAR~!

i'm not feeling so well

[Jackastheripper]

I got an idea too. How about we all get a bunch of people together to build a working jet aircraft and the first thing we do is throw away the instructions?!?!?! Who's with me?!?!?!?!

[Suteru]

I have something for you.

http://i.imgur.com/Y1cq0.jpg

[Shadowsong]

WAR/WHM go!

[Siiri]

I know some non Wiki players. They spam questions to me all day long. In fact I sarcastically refer to myself as Wiki-Vicki now on skype and vent. So sick of people who don't do any research to make themselves better players, or at least save me some wrist stress typing responses to questions like, "What are they key items for X mob", "How do i get the 3rd atma slot open in Abyssea" , etc.

[Luvbunny]

LOL at this original posting - some people are too lazy to do research. I guess he is one of those crazy role player who live in his own fantasy world and like to explore and get lost, whatever rock his boat. For everyone else, research, read, and practice. Why waste time on this game doing things blindly when everything can be done so fast and easy with Wiki. Stop bothering people with questions and asking for help this and that, do your own homework.

[scaevola]

could you even imagine ls chat for this

christ, even one of That Guy is bad enough

[Spiritmage]

I usually play as much as I could without looking up wiki, some things are obvious/easy/decent, but then there are the times when you're just plain stumped and have to look it up. Goes for any kind of game really, the guides are there, use them at your leisure.

[Mooshywooshy]

Well... surely by now they probably already know how to do all the missions. Im sure getting a new drop from some random monster that took multiple tries to figure out how to beat would be pretty cool. I mean, no wiki isnt the way i'd go, but if thats something they wanna do then power to em!
I aint no Chick-fil-a of wiki

[Nala]

This has got to be a joke thread/troll...

[Meyi]

This has got to be a joke thread/troll...

Knowing the official forums... I doubt it...

[Nala]

Just let me assume otherwise even if I know better in my heart... /diesinsidealittle

[Muse]

Before wiki we had Killing Ifrit and Alla! So I guess you can still use those if you want to be a "Non-wiki!"

[Quetzacoatl]

...How did this suddenly become an issue? Am I missing something that started all this?

THIS IS RIDICULOUS, NOTHING WILL COME OF THIS ARGUMENT

[Nala]

is it just me or have the quantity of the "Pants on Head" type threads and the size of those dome-wardly birches becoming exasperatingly inane?

[Theytak]

We need to unite.
We should declare a server to be *the one* for non-wiki players and form a Linkshell for us.
That way we know we're playing with likeminded players.

What do you (non-wiki players) think?
Wiki players, your opinion isn't particularly wanted here - I've read all the arguments for wiki playing ("stop living in the past etc.") - but this is for us.
I'm confused. How exactly does not using wiki make you different or special compared to the thousands of other players who don't use wiki because they're either too lazy, or can't because they play on a console and don't have a pc close by? Would you impose your beliefs on everyone you party with, such that you ruin their gameplay by being uninformed and useless? Are you starting from scratch with no knowledge of the game? Have you ever actually tried to do anything serious in this game without using the wiki? The only quests that are really doable are the really simple fetch quests that tell you what they want. Most of them, you have no idea and get no hints. Good luck trying to get your AF or your Limit Breaks done without using the wiki. How does intentionally forcing yourself to be too lazy to look something up on the wiki suddenly make you special? I don't get it.


I have something for you.

http://i.imgur.com/Y1cq0.jpg
I totally bought a copy of this back in '04, and I still have it. It's not in great condition, but it's not falling apart. I like to thumb through it whenever I've had a bad day, and just laugh.


Before wiki we had Killing Ifrit and Alla! So I guess you can still use those if you want to be a "Non-wiki!"
All the cool kids used Erecia's CoP guide, Somepage, Mysterytour, and FFXIatlas. Wiki? pfeh.


is it just me or have the quantity of the "Pants on Head" type threads and the size of those dome-wardly birches becoming exasperatingly inane?

It's the official forums. You need to learn to stop expecting much.

[Merton9999]

could you even imagine ls chat for this

christ, even one of That Guy is bad enough

This. Not to mention constant inquiry shouts in Jeuno. I'd consult a wiki when I have a question over shouting myself any day. In comparison to the Port Jeuno mob, wiki's reply is a lot less likely to contain the word "penis".

Seriously, I suspect SE's reasoning for not giving guidance via NPCs went along with the idea of forced partying that for years required at least 6 people to do anything. Whether they expected that community info pool to originate from other players in game or an a separate wiki who knows, but I bet they deluded themselves into thinking the former would work. Having to explain the same thing to dozens of people in chat at different times, and every person giving different wrong information, ugh.

[Nala]

Lol brady guide... mine fell apart and i tossed it... kind of wish i still had it now so i could do the same theytak.

Its not that i've expected much just seems like there have been alot of threads of this... "caliber" as of late.

[Theytak]

I know some non Wiki players. They spam questions to me all day long. In fact I sarcastically refer to myself as Wiki-Vicki now on skype and vent. So sick of people who don't do any research to make themselves better players, or at least save me some wrist stress typing responses to questions like, "What are they key items for X mob", "How do i get the 3rd atma slot open in Abyssea" , etc.

I have a limit, I'll take questions from new players, especially ones who don't know about the wiki (or for some reason haven't learned by now that the first thing you do when starting a new mmo is google "[MMO's name] wiki". I'll take questions from someone I know is a console player and doesn't have a pc close by. I'll take questions from any of my friends whose first language is not english, to the point that they have trouble deciphering the wiki (though as of any time remotely recently, they're all fluent enough to get the info on their own). I'll also take questions from friends who know I happen to have the wiki open and can look it up faster than they could, if it's a quick question/answer.

For anyone else, my limit is 2 questions. 3rd question results in my giving them the answer, and then saying that they should really use the wiki. After that, I just say "I'm sure you can find the answer on wiki." I'll also give this as the answer to any question whose actual answer is far longer than I have any interest in typing out.



This. Not to mention constant inquiry shouts in Jeuno. I'd consult a wiki when I have a question over shouting myself any day. In comparison to the Port Jeuno mob, wiki's reply is a lot less likely to contain the word "penis".

Seriously, I suspect SE's reasoning for not giving guidance via NPCs went along with the idea of forced partying that for years required at least 6 people to do anything. Whether they expected that community info pool to originate from other players in game or an a separate wiki who knows, but I bet they deluded themselves into thinking the former would work. Having to explain the same thing to dozens of people in chat at different times, and every person giving different wrong information, ugh.

To be fair, in spite of it all, every time new quests get released, no matter how silly, they still typically get figured out within a month (within a week if there's only 1-2, more quests pushes the less important ones to the back).

[Merton9999]

To be fair, in spite of it all, every time new quests get released, no matter how silly, they still typically get figured out within a month (within a week if there's only 1-2, more quests pushes the less important ones to the back).

Certainly, but not everyone would be in on the knowledge, especially without a wiki. No matter what has been figured out, you'd still get questions galore form returning people, plus wrong answers, from dicks and and the ignorant alike.

[Modoru]

In the end, non-wiki people get their information from people who do browse the wiki, so by association, they use wiki.
Fuck it.

[Nyerieri]

is it just me or have the quantity of the "Pants on Head" type threads and the size of those dome-wardly birches becoming exasperatingly inane?

I agree with this statement lol. "Stop living in the past etc etc"

[Eric]

Is it just me, or has the number of these ridiculous players and threads greatly increased over the past month or so?

If you don't want to play with the wiki, don't use it. Simple as that.

If you want the feeling of "exploration" and being able to discover new things as they come out, then simply be there to try things out as soon as they're released.

I know Heroines' Holdfast isn't a very good example, but while doing it on the test server, I had a fun time figuring out certain techniques like how to avoid Mumor's instant death move, and I had a lot of fun, not only because the event itself is fun, but also because I knew I was one of the first people to experience it.

[BorkBorkBork]

I have something for you.

http://i.imgur.com/Y1cq0.jpg

The brady guide was for noobs. The hardcore elite bought the atlas too which only had maps in it you could purchase making it an invaluable adventuring tool. Mine was so useful its still in perfect condition.

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/gallery/c6283bbf4581c96c5a214a8e6fbbccc3.jpg

[Whippet]

I think this is an awsome IDea SE make a server for all of these guys

Also send them Starcade and Rosina also make sure that server has no connection to talk with outsiders


I need to make a letter to santa claus for this christmas

[Babekeke]

When you're all on your own server, in your own happy linkshell, and one of you works out how to do a quest....

...remember not to tell anyone else about it, because that's basically all that the wikis are doing.

Good Luck!

[Twille]

Depriving yourself of knowledge is never a good thing.

[scaevola]

In fairness, there's a flipside to what everyone's saying: were FFXI not so frustratingly opaque about what it wants you to do (it's probably among the top-five most opaque games I've ever played, and not just in terms of mechanics), I could easily see wanting to play without a wiki for all the same reasons as I try to play without walkthroughs/guides in single-player games. If you don't absolutely need the assistance to progress, why ruin it?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

We need to unite.
We should declare a server to be *the one* for non-wiki players and form a Linkshell for us.
That way we know we're playing with likeminded players.And in said LS, we shall ask our fellow player, "Where do I go next?"

[Luvbunny]

Yup these boneheaded players who long for the dark ages seems to increase in greater numbers lately. First all those who wanted to have lvl 75 caps, then the old school party where you are so dependent on xyz jobs or no party, then all the abyssea haters, etc.... Personally I am all about people abandoning abyssea in droves and run away from it, leave the zones alone, so I can have ZERO competition and can claim NMs all day long and have no lags. I was hoping voidwatch would draw the crowds away from abyssea but seems like people just cannot get enough of it. Please leave abyssea so I can have it all for myself :)

[Ragmar]

I may not choose to play this way but the guy wants a real challenge where the answer isn't hit the easy button. I don't see why the same people seem to post such negative talk in every single thread that isn't OMFGILOVEEASYBUTTONSGIVEMEINSTANTGRATIFICATIONLIKEAFIVEYEAROLDDEMANDS!

[Neisan_Quetz]

Yes because a quest giver asking you for an 'item', and not telling you what it is, or where to find it, makes sense.

[Twille]

How is asking an LS mate, and looking it up on wiki any different?

[Tsukino_Kaji]

How is asking an LS mate, and looking it up on wiki any different?It's not.

Superfluous text.

[Kuvo]

You need the wiki and other ffxi info sites in order to even play this game. But I dislike how the community and togetherness this game was originally built on is now gone. The easy thing has been if anyone in your LS even talks it seems the response is... go to the wiki. No one seems to want to even do things as a team or LS or group for a few years now and SE seems to be supporting that kind of culture. Nothing you can do i guess.

[cidbahamut]

How is asking an LS mate, and looking it up on wiki any different?

It saves you the trouble of having to look stuff up on the wiki yourself, because your LS mate will now do it for you.

[Daremo]

All the cool kids used Erecia's CoP guide, Somepage, Mysterytour, and FFXIatlas. Wiki? pfeh.


Somepage rocked, it had the best search engine of all time. I mean, you could search for food effects, a utility unequaled to this day. How sweet was that?

[Calamity]

Yes because a quest giver asking you for an 'item', and not telling you what it is, or where to find it, makes sense.

This is of course assuming you're blessed enough for the quest giver to even mention they want an item >.>

[FrankReynolds]

Have any of you non-wiki players considered just making conversation? I believe that if I met a guy on the street asking for directions, I would gladly help him. But if I see the same friggin guy looking for directions every day, I'll tell him to go buy a map and piss off.

On the other hand, if he just has some comment about the olympics, the weather or that chick at the bus stops ass... we might actually have a conversation.

just sayin... asking for help is cool, but Elvis helps those that help themselves.

[Sp1cyryan]

We need to unite.
We should declare a server to be *the one* for non-wiki players and form a Linkshell for us.
That way we know we're playing with likeminded players.

What do you (non-wiki players) think?
Wiki players, your opinion isn't particularly wanted here - I've read all the arguments for wiki playing ("stop living in the past etc.") - but this is for us.

Notsureifserious.jpg

I guess you can be FFXIs Amish community.

[SNK]

We need to unite.
We should declare a server to be *the one* for non-wiki players and form a Linkshell for us.
That way we know we're playing with likeminded players.

What do you (non-wiki players) think?
Wiki players, your opinion isn't particularly wanted here - I've read all the arguments for wiki playing ("stop living in the past etc.") - but this is for us.

...........what?

[Plasticleg]

Sorry, you guys are being really rude and elitists. You can't handle the truth that Altana is a melee SMN.

[Demon6324236]

Sorry, you guys are being really rude and elitists. You can't handle the truth that Altana is a melee SMN.

Huh? Truth is the game & its quests were designed in such a way that without a wiki or other form of guide it is nearly impossible to do much in the game due to misleading or no guidance to what your goals and/or objectives may in fact be.

[Tesahade]

Notsureifserious.jpg

I guess you can be FFXIs Amish community.

This line is priceless i love it!

[Dawnn]

I'm going to join, and secretly answer every question they have... from wiki

[0nionKn1ght]

That would easily be the derpiest server known to mankind. Good lord I can't even think of the level of derpaherparoo on that thing.

I would play my BRD/WAR tank all day long, while the WHM/WAR in full Seers at 60 kept me alive using Cure I spam because they don't know where to get higher tier scrolls or how to unlock their level cap (or even know there is one). What fun that sounds!

[Demon6324236]

That would easily be the derpiest server known to mankind. Good lord I can't even think of the level of derpaherparoo on that thing.

I would play my BRD/WAR tank all day long, while the WHM/WAR in full Seers at 60 kept me alive using Cure I spam because they don't know where to get higher tier scrolls or how to unlock their level cap (or even know there is one). What fun that sounds!

As much as I think the idea of this thread is silly...

I think alot of players by nature can tell some things, like what wouldn't tank, what would be good to heal, the fact that lv50 is the original limit not 60, that there is better gear than seers in NPC shops... but either way, just sayin. :x

[0nionKn1ght]

As much as I think the idea of this thread is silly...

I think alot of players by nature can tell some things, like what wouldn't tank, what would be good to heal, the fact that lv50 is the original limit not 60, that there is better gear than seers in NPC shops... but either way, just sayin. :x

This is a server that has players that have never played FF, and there is 0 information on the game outside of it. You know how long it took people to step away from the official guides? Years :(

Seasoned players would be fine, but I didn't even know how to move my character when I first started, and spent 20 mins getting angry at an NPC for being an ignorant high level player unwilling to offer advice, as it walked back and forth passed me (yes this was my first real MMO).

[Waldrich]

Chains of Promathia, 5.3 "Three Paths"
and Zilart Mission 5 "Headstone Pilgrimage"

Good Luck being trolled by SE. :)

[Meyi]

As much as I think the idea of this thread is silly...

I think alot of players by nature can tell some things, like what wouldn't tank, what would be good to heal, the fact that lv50 is the original limit not 60, that there is better gear than seers in NPC shops... but either way, just sayin. :x

Obviously. People did better without a guide than they did with Bradley's. That thing was full of extreme derp.

Who knows! The server might be the most brilliant of them all! People will be forced to figure everything out on their own, therefore they may actually try things we the playerbase haven't yet because wiki told us "lol no".

Maybe that WHM/WAR combo we laughed at so hard in the Bradley strategy guide was the secret combination to making Absolute Virtue fall to its knees and beg for mercy! And the Amish non-wiki playerbase will be the one to find it! Unfortunately we'll never know of these rare findings because they don't believe in sharing such information with the rest of the playerbase...

[0nionKn1ght]

Obviously. People did better without a guide than they did with Bradley's. That thing was full of extreme derp.

Who knows! The server might be the most brilliant of them all! People will be forced to figure everything out on their own, therefore they may actually try things we the playerbase haven't yet because wiki told us "lol no".

Maybe that WHM/WAR combo we laughed at so hard in the Bradley strategy guide was the secret combination to making Absolute Virtue fall to its knees and beg for mercy! And the Amish non-wiki playerbase will be the one to find it! Unfortunately we'll never know of these rare findings because they don't believe in sharing such information with the rest of the playerbase...

Actually FFXI promotes theorycrafting more than any other MMo I have played, purely for the fact you can change your job and sub job and have to focus on one single character.

I often go out with crazy job combos to see how effective it is. WHM/WAR is not bad at 99, but kind of useless :)

[Camiie]

Modern MMO: All right, <Player>. We have a dire situation here. Go talk to Maudlin Irontoes in the Dwarven District of Stormwind to find out what we can do about the price of ale in Elwynn Forest. He'll be standing there with a giant yellow question mark over his head. You can't miss him, and if you somehow manage to, check your map and you'll see his position marked for you with a similar mark. You know what, just for the hell of it, keep the quest highlighted and a magic arrow will point you in the right direction.

FFXI: <Player>, Promathia is going to destroy the world and all your friends have scattered to parts unknown! Well, good luck with that!

[FrankReynolds]

Modern MMO: All right, <Player>. We have a dire situation here. Go talk to Maudlin Irontoes in the Dwarven District of Stormwind to find out what we can do about the price of ale in Elwynn Forest. He'll be standing there with a giant yellow question mark over his head. You can't miss him, and if you somehow manage to, check your map and you'll see his position marked for you with a similar mark. You know what, just for the hell of it, keep the quest highlighted and a magic arrow will point you in the right direction.

FFXI: <Player>, Promathia is going to destroy the world and all your friends have scattered to parts unknown! Well, good luck with that! But hey, look at this awesome cutscene!

LMAO. So true.

I bet some guy went "If we don't give them direction, they will talk to all the NPcs and learn about all the other amazing quests and missions we have made for them! :)"

Then some other guy said "brilliant! That could never go wrong! Let's go eat some paint and celebrate!"

[detlef]

Day 90:

OH MY GOD GUYS DID YOU KNOW WHAT F8 DOES? THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

[FrankReynolds]

Day 90:

OH MY GOD GUYS DID YOU KNOW WHAT F8 DOES? THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

Day 900: "Oh my gosh guys! I keep forgetting how all this crap works! Someone should make a spreadsheet or a website or something to keep track of all this crap! This game is FREAKING HUGE!"

[Tamoa]

Day 90:

OH MY GOD GUYS DID YOU KNOW WHAT F8 DOES? THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!


That reminds me of when I first started playing and didn't know how to /heal, so whenever my hp got low I ran back to my mog house - did this for almost 2 weeks before someone found it in their heart to enlighten me lol.


....not to mention trying to target stuff with the mouse cursor of all things.... lmao

[Vivik]

That reminds me of when I first started playing and didn't know how to /heal, so whenever my hp got low I ran back to my mog house - did this for almost 2 weeks before someone found it in their heart to enlighten me lol.


....not to mention trying to target stuff with the mouse cursor of all things.... lmao

Shit, I remember going out on my war and punching rabbits till I died because I had no idea how to equip a sword much less /heal.

I also used to use sword/shield and make fun of Paladins for trying to tank off me. Those were the days...

[Teraniku]

Shit, I remember going out on my war and punching rabbits till I died because I had no idea how to equip a sword much less /heal.

I also used to use sword/shield and make fun of Paladins for trying to tank off me. Those were the days...

yes I always liked it when people went WAR/WHM aka the "Ghetto" PLD

[Fupafighter]

This is just sad lol.

[Nawesemo]

/grins Oh it was such a big big world... north gustaburg, (game started in port for my poor bastokian taru) I managed to get so lost. deathga from birds, murdered by quadav, ran in circles thinking it helped dodge, it took forever to get to level 10. (finally managed to get to bastok markets @ day 2.) vomp hil, droping beastmen seals becuase they took up too much space.
(see this this was for you)

waiting forever to learn a spell, wondering where I could buy a "pheonix down". O the days of being new. /em shudders

It was a "wonder" how anyone could know so much about so much and what have you, I still don't know enough to willingly help someone without looking at the wiki/ bg etc. prior to making sure the mission is flagged by the person wanting to do it .. /facepalm lol yeah wiki is gooooood.

[Kavik]

I got to page 6 and gave up... basically threads like this is why the dev's can never answer serious posts, they have to read through this CRAP.

[Theytak]

Somepage rocked, it had the best search engine of all time. I mean, you could search for food effects, a utility unequaled to this day. How sweet was that?
Alla's advanced search (premium member feature, initially, not sure if it still is) is nearly identical to somepage's at this point, though it's not perfect, since it separates shit like "enhances double attack effect" and "double attack", but it does include food/meds in searches for stats that don't specify a slot, or specify the "inventory" slot. Just sayin'


Notsureifserious.jpg

I guess you can be FFXIs Amish community.
This is a beautiful analogy that caused me to laugh for about 5 minutes.


As much as I think the idea of this thread is silly...

I think alot of players by nature can tell some things, like what wouldn't tank, what would be good to heal, the fact that lv50 is the original limit not 60, that there is better gear than seers in NPC shops... but either way, just sayin. :x
It's funny because bards actually used to tank Faf/hogg way back in the day, before SE nerfed mazurka's enmity generation. Marzurka spam gave some serious enmity build up, and brd does have access to a good bit of melee gear, and by extent, gear to add survivability (in those days, we're talking osode/genboob's kabuto/etc)



I got to page 6 and gave up... basically threads like this is why the dev's can never answer serious posts, they have to read through this CRAP.
I'll never understand why in the world people don't change the default posts/page from 10. 10 posts/page is just stupid, and only causes unnecessary pagecount inflation. 40 posts/page is so much cleaner.

[Scribble]

I beat my wife and kids relentlessly before I found out about wiki. Please don't force me to resort to domestics again. The kids can take a punch, but the wife has a glass jaw and the hospital bills are astronomical.

[Modoru]

I beat my wife and kids relentlessly before I found out about wiki. Please don't force me to resort to domestics again. The kids can take a punch, but the wife has a glass jaw and the hospital bills are astronomical.

I'm going to hell for laughing heartily at this.

[Demon6324236]

I'm going to hell for laughing heartily at this.

We all are ;; <--(tears of joy from laughing)

[FrankReynolds]

I beat my wife and kids relentlessly before I found out about wiki. Please don't force me to resort to domestics again. The kids can take a punch, but the wife has a glass jaw and the hospital bills are astronomical.

Sometimes a game can make you go all Wayne Brady on a b----. Thank Joe Pesci that someone created Wiki.

[Vivik]

This is either the dumbest idea ever or a very good troll topic. Either way there are plenty of clueless people that play without the help of wiki. You could easily shout on whichever server you're on and have a full LS in no time.

Just make sure if they have good gear and Empys/Relics/Mythics you kick them quickly because they obviously use wiki. Don't want them poisoning the bunch!

[Windwhisper]

Congratulations are in order. you reached level 56 RDM w/o any help! I found a new hero~

[Tamoa]

Congratulations are in order. you reached level 56 RDM w/o any help! I found a new hero~

I'm reading level 54, he must have deleveled I guess? ;)

[Meyi]

Congratulations are in order. you reached level 56 RDM w/o any help! I found a new hero~

I'm reading level 54, he must have deleveled I guess? ;)

...Oh God I just discovered he's on my server.

[Theytak]

...Oh God I just discovered he's on my server.

Go pester him and see if you can't get him to respond to the thread!

[Tamoa]

Probably deleveled while running around trying to do LB3 - without looking it up on wiki, of course!

[Mathieu]

This is either the dumbest idea ever or a very good troll topic. Either way there are plenty of clueless people that play without the help of wiki. You could easily shout on whichever server you're on and have a full LS in no time.

I'm going to guess troll. If you look at his previous posts, he explicitly mentions using the wiki in a post.


For example, I am in the middle of doing the Magicite (Bastok) mission. The Governor of Jeuno (or whatever he's called) asks me to go and see Aldo who is part of the Tenshodo. I know that the Tenshodo are in the Neptune's Spire in Lower Jeuno (thanks ffxiclopedia! would've been nice if the game even hinted that that is where they are to be found..) but now I can't even select the hidden option from the lady at the entrance to Neptune's Spire because I apparently don't have high enough fame.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/12874-Fame-and-reputation-a-case-study-in-broken-design?p=168621#post168621

[Ragmar]

People did have to do these quests before you could simply wiki it just saying. I'm not saying everyone should do this but ffs why bash the guy if he isnt trying to make you play that way and is just looking for others with a similar interest.