The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

[Fupafighter]

And also I have given my suggestions in other threads on things I would like to see changed, or I have supported other peoples ideas on what should be changed. If these are the issues you face in FFXI, man I'm concerned for people that have to play with you.

[Camiie]

Mocking Cammie,

Camiie. At least I'm worth mocking. I wouldn't even bother with mocking you.


who in another thread was complaining plates were not readily available either.

Compared to the number required, no they aren't.


Seriously if ya all can manage to get the devs to change flame geodes in the next 6 months while it's relevant, bravo, otherwise good luck. I'm just expressing their view that it is not necessary to change this, and there are more important things on their agenda.

That's what the community team is for. What you, and they, constantly fail to explain is why. What's your real angle on flame geodes? At least be honest and tell us how it hurts anything for there to be more fire weather.


Like you know that paladin and red mage thing that no one ever gets to use anymore, and how enmity is completely boned.

Fixing fire weather/flame geodes should not be so taxing that it stops them from fixing broken jobs.


They really don't care about people having to pay a few mile for a magian weapon with the economy in this game.

Then I guess we'll just keep complaining until they do. Whether you like that or not is irrelevant. You might as well get used to it.


And also I have given my suggestions in other threads on things I would like to see changed, or I have supported other peoples ideas on what should be changed.

And I'm not pissing in YOUR Cheerios, but here you are standing over mine with your fly open for no apparent reason.


If these are the issues you face in FFXI, man I'm concerned for people that have to play with you.

They don't have a problem with me. I kind of wonder what yours think of you when they see you trolling the forums. Maybe they enjoy it as much as you. Maybe they think you're a jerk. I can't really say.

[Aarahs]

If it's so taxing to make a fire trial weapon why don't you make a different type? Others have mentioned how you can farm the geodes if you're so set on finishing one. Even if you're only able to get 1 each firesday you farm, that's only 55 hours of work and it's scattered over a period of time. If you farm a mob that also drops gil or another sellable item, you're increasing your efficiency and expanding your options. It really should not be difficult to finish the trial if you put some effort into it.

If you're complaining about doing the geode trial multiple times, you'll get no sympathy from me.

The rep has already pretty much told you the fire weather won't be changed. The design of the expansion's zones are most likely complete by this point, so asking for extra fire weather is pointless (that's not to say they didn't already build some of those zones in already).

The person who asked why it would affect people negatively if the drop rate was increased... Yeah, the only reason I can think of someone seriously asking that question would be if they joined after abyssea or if they somehow never looked at the market.

[Kysaiana]

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH. Where they're coming from? I donno, probably people getting them in exp pts and selling them to goldsmiths rather than bother with a fire path weapon. I've been farming flame geodes whenever firesday lines up with my play time, and even with TH7-8 killing over 100 mobs, I'll sometimes get 0. That's less than 1% drop rate on day. It's just the random number generator, and if you get 1 geode or 3 or none at all it's just dumb luck. You can not say you'll get 6 geodes on a day ever. Not solo anyway.

Let's put it this way, if Strength was based on the water element instead of fire, no one would be complaining about the lack of fire weather. Aqua geodes are a dime a dozen. They can be farmed actively in the Alzadaal undersea ruins at any time, and rainy weather is extremely common. So common, in fact, that it is the bane of anyone's existence that tries to get an Ark Pentasphere. If Strength was based on water instead of fire, aqua geodes would be expensive, but at least people could farm them if they so chose. Please note I'm not asking for strength to be based on water, I'm just using it as an example of how fire weather should be and how unbalanced it is. I highly doubt when SE first designed the zoned they envisioned good melee weapons being based on the frequency of fire weather.

[Camiie]

The person who asked why it would affect people negatively if the drop rate was increased..

They should increase fire weather to a level in line with the other elements, and leave the drop rate as is. The market is a concern, but it should be secondary to people trying to complete content.

It's not like crafters won't still be able to charge an arm and a leg for gems and rings. Heck the demand for flame geodes could actually increase as more people find fire weapons more reasonable to obtain. Right now you have a lot of people staying out of the market entirely because it just isn't worth it compared to the alternatives.

[Luvbunny]

So basically we are getting a flat out NO! answer from developer. Pretty much ignoring the fact that it is a big problem. Really.... I mean, I understand it is summer and everything, but seriously they should hire more people to work there. FFXI is one of the last few remaining subscription based MMORPG out there... and the most profitable for SE, they should be able to hire an entire team for this.

[Theytak]

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH.
No, he's pretty much just flat out trolling the thread. I won't deny that there are always a fair amount of flame geodes up on siren, but we also have some pretty weird players.

[Mathieu]

I get about the same number of fire geodes on Firesday as I get any other type on the respective day with no weather, so 1-2 in the whole day, occasionally I get none in the whole day, regardless of the type. The lack of fire weather, not the drop rate is the problem. As far as I've seen, they work exactly like every other geode under the same conditions.

However, rarity isn't the issue. Take a look at the AH history. Flame Geodes are consistently one of the most common type on the AH and they are still the most expensive by a long shot. Yes, they are harder to get, but people farm them because they are so expensive.

The issue is with demand. Fire weapons are too consistently useful to too many jobs, while most of the other elements are only useful to a few jobs, and, even then, might only be useful for very specific situations that everyone that plays that job might not encounter. The only way to fix the prices is to make the other elemental weapons more appealing. If more jobs had viable options other than fire, the price would go down on flame geodes because not every other person would go for them.

Even if they increased the amount of fire weather, I really doubt the price would come down. The current supply is mostly coming from people that specifically farm them. Unless fire weather was absolutely everywhere, the price isn't going to drop much. If the price isn't high enough to motivate people to specifically try to get them to sell, then they are going to become rare, which will keep the price up. The stable price point might go a little lower, but I doubt by that much.

[Demon6324236]

I disagree. If people had a more reliable way to farm them prices would fall and less people would resort to buying them, they would still be the most expensive, but they would not be 5 times higher than the next most expensive geode on the market! Thats how I believe it should be, if you want to farm you have the option, reasonably, however if you want to throw gil at people there should be a good amount to buy at the same time. To me, this fixes all the problems there are with it currently.

[Fupafighter]

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH. Where they're coming from? I donno, probably people getting them in exp pts and selling them to goldsmiths rather than bother with a fire path weapon. I've been farming flame geodes whenever firesday lines up with my play time, and even with TH7-8 killing over 100 mobs, I'll sometimes get 0. That's less than 1% drop rate on day. It's just the random number generator, and if you get 1 geode or 3 or none at all it's just dumb luck. You can not say you'll get 6 geodes on a day ever. Not solo anyway.

Let's put it this way, if Strength was based on the water element instead of fire, no one would be complaining about the lack of fire weather. Aqua geodes are a dime a dozen. They can be farmed actively in the Alzadaal undersea ruins at any time, and rainy weather is extremely common. So common, in fact, that it is the bane of anyone's existence that tries to get an Ark Pentasphere. If Strength was based on water instead of fire, aqua geodes would be expensive, but at least people could farm them if they so chose. Please note I'm not asking for strength to be based on water, I'm just using it as an example of how fire weather should be and how unbalanced it is. I highly doubt when SE first designed the zoned they envisioned good melee weapons being based on the frequency of fire weather.
Lol. Ok. Have they proven TH helps with timed drops like beastman seals or crests and such? Was under the influence TH didn't help geodes. Thf kills slow. That's why you're having issues. Go on an actual DD and try again.

[scaevola]

Lol. Ok. Have they proven TH helps with timed drops like beastman seals or crests and such? Was under the influence TH didn't help geodes. Thf kills slow. That's why you're having issues. Go on an actual DD and try again.

Actually, Geodes/Avatarites are NOT timed drops; at least not 5-minute timed drops like seals/crests.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/106262-Random-Fail-XII-dont-takl-me-small-fish?p=4948526&viewfull=1#post4948526

It was blink-and-you-miss-it testing but that now-broken image was a screenshot of two breeze geodes in Nynja's treasure pool.

Anyway, if you're geode farming specifically (which you are), you're targetting mobs between 60 and 80, on which a THF is perfectly free to sub WAR, ride berserk with cheap food to cap attack, and totally obliterate as fast if not faster than any two-hand job.

[Fupafighter]

No. Thf in no way can compete with any 2 hand DD in solo situations. Fact. And that image isn't working. I'm assuming that there was an alliance in play. You can get 1 geode/ite every 5 minutes PER alliance. SO you can get 3 in 5 minutes. Otherwise I have never seen a x2 in 5 minutes.

[scaevola]

No, it was Nynja and two mules; one party.

[Fupafighter]

You can also log out and log back in to restart timer.

[scaevola]

i am trying to come up with a better way to say "why would you do that"

[Fupafighter]

Because logging out takes 30 seconds. Restarts timer. Meaning you can get one every 2 minutes if you're lucky enough.

[scaevola]

Ok, let me put this another way.

Are you suggesting he falsified his data? This would be a really weird and pointless thing to lie about.

[Fupafighter]

Ok, let me put this another way.

Are you suggesting he falsified his data? This would be a really weird and pointless thing to lie about.

I'm saying that if someone in his party accidental DCed and he didn't notice, he could have infact gotten 2 via "log out" method. Not saying it's false, just saying that could have happened. 1 random extra geode after how long makes me think that that's what may have happened or he beat the odds. Or please show me actual testing.

[scaevola]

He would notice a DC, because those are his mules.

At any rate, the implication of his post is that it's happened multiple times* and that was the example he had at his convenience.

I am of course not him so I can't swear by his experiences**, but with ALL THE GEODE FARMING HE'D DONE, if the double drop had happened once and a DC were involved I think he would have found that relevant.




*Vermy is one of the mules; the man has farmed waaaay more geodes than I or I assume you ever will


**I don't have a mule and don't keep my game logs so if two geodes dropped for me in five minutes I wouldn't even notice because really, what does that change

[Nawesemo]

I'm in the zoning does something camp.

[Kysaiana]

No. Thf in no way can compete with any 2 hand DD in solo situations. Fact. And that image isn't working. I'm assuming that there was an alliance in play. You can get 1 geode/ite every 5 minutes PER alliance. SO you can get 3 in 5 minutes. Otherwise I have never seen a x2 in 5 minutes.

I posted earlier in this thread that I've personally gotten 2 geodes in under 5 min in a zone with weather, it's uncommon but it happens. After farming geodes on several different jobs, I'd have to agree TH doesn't seem to matter. I've tried on pup blu thf and drk. I had the same general kill speed/number by the end of the game day and the same average of geodes, 1-2 with the occasional 0.

If there's a timer at all, it's not 5 min, and I doubt logging out would do anything but lower your kill speed since I've personally had no geode drop for the first 30-40 mins of a firesday before. Not to mention the times were 0 dropped at all. "Timers" aren't the issue with geode farming on days, it's the piss poor drop rate.

So again, people aren't asking for flame geodes to be cheaper (at least I'm not), we're just asking for fire weather to be as common as the other 7 weathers.

[TMG]

There was ONE time I also had 2 geodes in the pool with only one party, 3 people in party. There was wind weather present, I don't remember what day it was though. It was in Sky, I was really confused about it and I've never seen it happen again since. It is entirely possible that one of us had zoned in after the first one was in the pool and gotten the kill shot for the second one... it's been over a year since it happened but I know we were trying to pop Steam Cleaner at the time and I seem to remember zoning in after the detector had been pulled and dolls were being killed.

Whatever it is, zoning DOES help, immensely. I was farming flame geodes in Meriph (S) on firesday, and a random bout of fire weather popped. After each geode I would recall back into the zone and resume killing, and get a geode almost every single mob, if not then the second mob would drop one. I came out with 12 flame geodes on that one firesday. I've done the same thing in sky with wind weather and come out with a boat load of geodes by camping by one of the Ve'lugannon zones. I've never been able to duplicate 2 geodes/1 party, and there's been many many opportunities for it to happen. There's some kind of exception where it can happen, it's just extremely rare and I still stick by the 5 minute drop timer/zoning reset theory.

[Theytak]

it's likely a matter that you can have a geode drop slot for both day and weather separately, but because weather overwrites day, the day drop's would be altered, and most likely, if weather's active, it's more likely to use that drop slot instead of day, even if one is waiting on the 5 min timer and the other isn't, but there's a very low chance that the day's drop will get through instead, and thus give you two in less than 5 minutes. That's purely speculation, though.

[TMG]

I agree, that'd make the most sense since day drops are so rare already you're not likely to see two at once.

[kewitt]

I thought OK Let me see what happens. I got to Cape Teriggan at 1:12, as my level 99 thf/dnc and farmed flame geodes.
No weather happened.
Flame Geode 0
0:32 into earth day 1 soil geode.
Please fix this..

You made emp mystic and relic out of reach for me. As well as the next best thing. Games should be fun and this isn't.

[Fupafighter]

I thought OK Let me see what happens. I got to Cape Teriggan at 1:12, as my level 99 thf/dnc and farmed flame geodes.
No weather happened.
Flame Geode 0
0:32 into earth day 1 soil geode.
Please fix this..

You made emp mystic and relic out of reach for me. As well as the next best thing. Games should be fun and this isn't.
Nothing is out of reach, you'r just lazy.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I've seen breeze drop back to back to back to back in sky during weather. No other goede seems to do that.
If you're still claiming it's a timer, then perhaps each individual in the party gets one.

[RAIST]

I thought OK Let me see what happens. I got to Cape Teriggan at 1:12, as my level 99 thf/dnc and farmed flame geodes.
No weather happened.
Flame Geode 0
0:32 into earth day 1 soil geode.
Please fix this..

You made emp mystic and relic out of reach for me. As well as the next best thing. Games should be fun and this isn't.

In-game date was 11/13 and 11/14---half-way into the fall season, so cooler weather patterns are more prominent now. You just missed the two days fire weather was actually in the forecast (Windsday and Lightsday, 11/09 and 11/11 respectively). There may be some more odd occurrences that crop up...have a few dates noted that should still be accurate for this in-game calendar year:

12/17, Watersday in Kuzots (07:09 Eastern on Sept. 6)
12/30 Darksday in Kuzots (19:38 Eastern on Sept. 6)

If these game days also hold true like the others I've recently checked on, it may pop again on these days as well:

01/21, Iceday in Kuzots (15:48 Eastern on Sept. 7)
01/25, Firesday in Volbow (19:38 Eastern on Sept. 7)
01/27, Watersday in Volbow (21:33 Eastern on Sept. 7)

Granted, these may well be very short cycles for some of these forecasts because it is "off-season weather"...but the point is it follows a predictable pattern if one takes the time to track it. So far during the past 3 weeks, it has been a 100% match for the last 10 specific dates I have checked against in my notes from the last time I specifically hunted weather/days for geodes for a friend a few months back.

Not saying the system in general couldn't use some tweaking, but there IS a way to mitigate some of these problems IF you are willing to put in the effort.

[kewitt]

In-game date was 11/13 and 11/14---half-way into the fall season, so cooler weather patterns are more prominent now. You just missed the two days fire weather was actually in the forecast (Windsday and Lightsday, 11/09 and 11/11 respectively). There may be some more odd occurrences that crop up...have a few dates noted that should still be accurate for this in-game calendar year:

12/17, Watersday in Kuzots (07:09 Eastern on Sept. 6)
12/30 Darksday in Kuzots (19:38 Eastern on Sept. 6)

If these game days also hold true like the others I've recently checked on, it may pop again on these days as well:

01/21, Iceday in Kuzots (15:48 Eastern on Sept. 7)
01/25, Firesday in Volbow (19:38 Eastern on Sept. 7)
01/27, Watersday in Volbow (21:33 Eastern on Sept. 7)

Granted, these may well be very short cycles for some of these forecasts because it is "off-season weather"...but the point is it follows a predictable pattern if one takes the time to track it. So far during the past 3 weeks, it has been a 100% match for the last 10 specific dates I have checked against in my notes from the last time I specifically hunted weather/days for geodes for a friend a few months back.

Not saying the system in general couldn't use some tweaking, but there IS a way to mitigate some of these problems IF you are willing to put in the effort.

So I'm need to plan my life around FFXI I think not. FFXI is something to do when I got free time not something I do because I have to get something done in. Sorry I don't mind spending time farming on fireday for 1 hour every few days when I log in and it's darkday. To get zero geodes sucks for something I should be able to build up 2-5 per fireday easy. That would still take me more then a month.

If I had hours and hours to play and get people to do things I would go after a mystic or emp or relic.

Honestly I hear people in my LS coming out of Dynamis daily with 100-150 dynamis money, atleast at that rate I could see the goal of a relic coming out of it. Farming flame geodes I don't see the goal because it seems to take so much effort for so little gain.


Nothing is out of reach, you'r just lazy.

Please explain how it's lazy to spend 1 hour and get no results. Your adding nothing to the discussion other then trolling and it isn't helpful.

[Fupafighter]

People. Please use your and you're properly. It's disgusting to constantly read. I'm saying he feels empy/relic/mythic are out of reach. Ok so he had bad luck and probably bad kill speed, which resulted in no geode drops. NEEDS TO BE FIXED GUYS.

[Nawesemo]

Our intelligence being insulted, or yours? I never cared to be the anal guy who can't use reason to observe and absorb an intenended message, i mean, if its my job to write and be gramaticly correct when shooting the poo around a watercooler during a break from a hobby of mine, sure, I can see the complaint, or if the message was intended to be as proper as it could, sure poke away, but I'm not going to go edit a message with as little importance to me now as when I said it.... Just so others dont have to practice tolerance, and reason..... Be as litteraly as you like, but don't expect others to just for the sake of your enjoyment, after all thats why they're here too. Ease up. Live a little..... Unless u an editor for some newspaper, I never understood gramatic corrections on forums.... Sorry if that comes off offensive, but really? Context means something. Figure it out, and leave it alone ya know?

Back on subject, over the weekend, I got 6!!!!!! Flame geodes. Luck?

[Demon6324236]

Fupa just doesn't want people to have nice things.

[RAIST]

So I'm need to plan my life around FFXI I think not

Why do people jump to this stance so quickly....

no, not saying you need to plan your life around FFXI...but if you are looking for specific weather to speed things up, there are ways to know in advance when it is likely (or even for certain) to occur and you can plan your play sessions accordingly. If you know your weather prospects aren't good this week, but may be next week....you can plan to try to take advantage of it when your chances are best vs. spinning your wheels when you have the worst window of opportunity.

For instance, I already know that tomorrow there is a pretty decent shot at getting fire weather on firesday in the Cape during early evening for me (just before 8PM), and another shot a few hours later on watersday, just before midnight. So... I know if I'm going to be farting around Friday night in game, I have two shots at catching some weather TOMORROW night.

I actually knew this 2 weeks ago, because I tracked the dates in the past, and I saw the pattern repeating itself back then---if it is indeed holding true, than I also know I have a shot at it again on Saturday (my day off) for Lightningsday in Kuzots just before 4PM. If I am going to be on, I already know I can hit QSC for some GOV tabs and go for flame geodes if I needed them. Same goes for 6PM Monday, and a two day window on Tuesday from 4:45 to 6:40--when I would be coming home from work, so I may still be able to hop on and catch a window if I wanted.

The point is there are ways to help you make the most of your time....it just takes a little forethought instead of just haphazardly trying to catch it randomly. At the very least, one can use the weather reporting at the bazaar site (http://ff11info.com/bazaar/en/weather.php) for a couple hours notice of when weather may be popping, or to track when the more opportune windows are coming up (like fire's pattern starts ramping frequency up in about a week, making it a good time to watch for fire around the weekend of the 14th).

Edit: as predicted last night... fire is indeed in the forecast for Darksday (19:38-20:36 Eastern) for Kuzots, still in-line with the pattern I took notes on back in March 2012.

[Lisotte]

People. Please use your and you're properly. It's disgusting to constantly read. I'm saying he feels empy/relic/mythic are out of reach. Ok so he had bad luck and probably bad kill speed, which resulted in no geode drops. NEEDS TO BE FIXED GUYS.

Of all the most condescending, elitist, stubborn... (I think you catch my drift). Get off your high horse dude. Maybe you've played from 2004; maybe you've gone and gotten your mythic. Maybe you've gotten your relic, back when it was actually comparable to a mythic. Maybe now you can get an empyrean. Maybe not. But if so (and I sincerely hope you have done all three of those things to argue the point you've been attempting to make), but if so then of course getting a fire weapon's a walk in the park. Farm geodes a couple weeks, make gil over a couple of days.

But... no one cares. Hardcore players aren't the only people playing XI (and if you personally aren't a hardcore player, then you're just a troll). Hardcore players have their relics and mythics made for them. Empyrean's kind of between the casual, and the hardcore.

But there's many more people playing this game than hardcore players, and that's what the elemental weapon trials are for. In a day or two you can just fly through all the ice trials, in a few days you could fly through a number of other trials, such as wind trials.

That's all fine and dandy, but if you need a fire weapon, you're SOL. You can't get that fire weapon that's the baseline weapon for being semi-competitive in events. You're stuck with what you can afford off the AH (which is probably not much, since you probably can't afford geodes anyway), or, God forbid, the dom notes weapons. You basically play a much crappier version of your job. Hence the "bad kill speed" you're talking about; you really think the people after fire weapons typically have the gil to GET good kill speed? How about the knowledge necessary for creating good gear sets for ws, ja's and the like?

I personally was able to make enough gil fairly easily to be able to camp the AH and buy them; not only is this obviously not optimal (for people more casual than myself making the millions I made would take a very long time), but also my server had relatively cheap fire geodes (often between 65k-70k apiece).

As people have made the point over and over again, it's not like making flame geodes is going to affect YOU negatively in any way. If anything it would make more people have semi-decently geared jobs for events; which would affect you positively because then you can complete those events more easily.

The worst thing about every one of your posts is the incredibly condescending tone you take; it's disgusting for myself and doubtless others to see you look down from your throne and laugh at the pitiful worms who work slowly to acquire what YOU got in your sleep.

[Theytak]

People. Please use your and you're properly. It's disgusting to constantly read. I'm saying he feels empy/relic/mythic are out of reach. Ok so he had bad luck and probably bad kill speed, which resulted in no geode drops. NEEDS TO BE FIXED GUYS.

Until you answer my question, which I've posed to you several times, you're really in no position to play grammar nazi. I agree that it's irritating to see people use shitty grammar, but it's even more annoying to see you blatantly trolling and acting like you're not.

So once again, how would improving or easing the ability to obtain flame geodes negatively impact you in any way, that you're so fervently against it? Do you not have an answer for this question? Are you ignoring it because you feel your answer should be obvious? If the latter's the case, you're not nearly as skilled at subtext as you seem to think. I'd like to hear an answer from you about this, and this is the final time I'm going to ask it. If you continue to ignore it again, I'm going to take it as fully admitting that you're doing nothing but openly trolling this thread.

[Fupafighter]

1. Answered your question, via I said it would not harm anything except for people that farm them for gil. 2. If you think a fire path weapon is impossible, you need to reconsider playing this game. Casual players on FFXI can accomplish making a relic in 3 months if they set their mind to it. That's TWO hours a day. To me that's pretty casual on FFXI. IF you play less than that, I'm sure the dev's are not concerned with pleasing the people who are more than likely not going to stick around. You can accomplish alot with 2 hours in FFXI. Stop complaining this is "impossible". Me having common knowledge of a game makes me hardcore? Dude I play 2 hours a day on average and like once a week I sit down and game for a day. That's hardcore? No. It comes down to understanding what to do with your time and how to have fun with your time. If you can't farm the damn geodes, shout for them or camp the auction house. UTILIZE WHAT YOU'RE GIVEN. STOP ASKING FOR THEM TO MAKE IT EVEN EASIER. It's called stupidity, not bad design.Also if they have the knowledge to login to these forums to bitch about it, they could also look up ways to obtain gil and ask the actual hardcore gamers on sites such as ffxiah.com or wiki.bluegartr.com for information on how to be more successful on FFXI Have a nice time. Done with this thread you lazy panzies. GO dev's for stickin it to the idiots.

[kewitt]

Casual players on FFXI can accomplish making a relic in 3 months if they set their mind to it.

That's if that's the only thing they do for 3 months. That saying to hell with being social all or helping other IG.

I log in 2 days a week on the weekend normally.. That's it unless there is some one off or stocking AH and that's all I log in and do. I play for 5-10+ hour on the 2 days I log in. So that gives me 4 hours a week x 16 your saying I could get my relic done.

At 150 Dynamis -money a day... thats 300 a week so that's 3 100's a week.. x 16 weeks... ok so that get me to.. lets think.. 45.. I'm still short 100 100's Sorry relic in 3 months for casual I think not.. So now to finish my Relic I need to spend another 4.5+ months. So that is 7-8 months for one item I think that's hardcore.

That almost means I have to skip out on social LS events. +1 and +2 emp gear farming, Also maybe getting my Fire weapons would make it easy to hit that 150 Dynamis money a day. I've only done neo-Dynamis 3 times. 1st time my hubby and I lasted about 40 mins before my hubby died and forgot a RR items. The next time 2 times it was to farm gear and help a LS member who IS hardcore go after there 3rd Relic weapon.

By all means I'm not a totally casual player if you look at everything I have done mission, level and crafting wise.
http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Shiva/Kewitt
All of the missions but WoTG where done before 75 cap raised.



UTILIZE WHAT YOU'RE GIVEN. STOP ASKING FOR THEM TO MAKE IT EVEN EASIER.

We aren't asking it to be easier per say, we are saying it's not even, and if they would increase the Flame geode drop rate all elemental weapons equal diffidently to get vs flame geode being many times harder vs all the others.

[TMG]

Basically, SE loves their "balance" and people are complaining that it's not balanced. The drop rate is supposed to be the same as anything else but after numerous attempts to farm geodes on Firesday with no weather I don't believe it. Plus there's the complete lack of fire weather most of the year. You could retrace and zone into Grauberg (S) nearly any day of the year and find wind weather. Most every other weather is plentiful. If you see fire weather during the summer months in one of the few zones that have high enough level mobs to drop them, it's gone in 5 minutes. It's definitely possible to farm them with some planning and a lot of extra time to set aside for it, but it's just not balanced compared to the other elements.

[Vold]

1. Answered your question, via I said it would not harm anything except for people that farm them for gil. 2. If you think a fire path weapon is impossible, you need to reconsider playing this game. Casual players on FFXI can accomplish making a relic in 3 months if they set their mind to it. That's TWO hours a day. To me that's pretty casual on FFXI. IF you play less than that, I'm sure the dev's are not concerned with pleasing the people who are more than likely not going to stick around. You can accomplish alot with 2 hours in FFXI. Stop complaining this is "impossible". Me having common knowledge of a game makes me hardcore? Dude I play 2 hours a day on average and like once a week I sit down and game for a day. That's hardcore? No. It comes down to understanding what to do with your time and how to have fun with your time. If you can't farm the damn geodes, shout for them or camp the auction house. UTILIZE WHAT YOU'RE GIVEN. STOP ASKING FOR THEM TO MAKE IT EVEN EASIER. It's called stupidity, not bad design.Also if they have the knowledge to login to these forums to bitch about it, they could also look up ways to obtain gil and ask the actual hardcore gamers on sites such as ffxiah.com or wiki.bluegartr.com for information on how to be more successful on FFXI Have a nice time. Done with this thread you lazy panzies. GO dev's for stickin it to the idiots.If someone is farming these for income then they are seriously doing it wrong. So, either you are one of those farmers or you're just trolling. "Just deal with it" is not a valid view point to have here by anyone whom is not trying to lol farm flame geodes for gil. The truths of the matter are known and well documented. Fire weather blows and SE in all their wisdom decided to give geodes two uses: Trials and Goldsmithing. It was an issue perhaps "fixed" by not including GS applications for the newer versions of these items after they saw the chaos with geodes(maybe they do now, I don't know), and if that is the case they certainly have done nothing to solve the geode problems. Their answer is an remarkable "deal with it, it's the way of things" although I shouldn't be too surprised because that has often been their stance through out the years.

They'd be partly right. Fire weather was always rare and obviously meant to be so. If they provide aid in this case they'd have to provide aid in many cases just to be fair about it. The reason I say "partly right" is that they already went there when they raised the level cap. The game has changed a huge deal since that decision was made. Perhaps it's time they go all in and say goodbye to "the way of things." They gave us the trials and geodes. It's on their heads to make things right and balanced. If they don't then it's just hypocritical to nerfbalance everything but what they don't want to. If you're going to balance then balance fairly, and not selectively. Perhaps pointless to point out with a new chief in town. We'll see in the near future whether he'll be about status quo or positive change...

[Fupafighter]

That's if that's the only thing they do for 3 months. That saying to hell with being social all or helping other IG.

I log in 2 days a week on the weekend normally.. That's it unless there is some one off or stocking AH and that's all I log in and do. I play for 5-10+ hour on the 2 days I log in. So that gives me 4 hours a week x 16 your saying I could get my relic done.

At 150 Dynamis -money a day... thats 300 a week so that's 3 100's a week.. x 16 weeks... ok so that get me to.. lets think.. 45.. I'm still short 100 100's Sorry relic in 3 months for casual I think not.. So now to finish my Relic I need to spend another 4.5+ months. So that is 7-8 months for one item I think that's hardcore.

That almost means I have to skip out on social LS events. +1 and +2 emp gear farming, Also maybe getting my Fire weapons would make it easy to hit that 150 Dynamis money a day. I've only done neo-Dynamis 3 times. 1st time my hubby and I lasted about 40 mins before my hubby died and forgot a RR items. The next time 2 times it was to farm gear and help a LS member who IS hardcore go after there 3rd Relic weapon.

By all means I'm not a totally casual player if you look at everything I have done mission, level and crafting wise.
http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Shiva/Kewitt
All of the missions but WoTG where done before 75 cap raised.




We aren't asking it to be easier per say, we are saying it's not even, and if they would increase the Flame geode drop rate all elemental weapons equal diffidently to get vs flame geode being many times harder vs all the others.
Neo dynamis is how you make a relic in 3 months. Not farming cities with your perle gear. Farming +2 gear is not a LS event. I would love to be able to sit down uninterrupted for 5 hours a day. That could farm me potentially 4 million gil atleast. I'm trying to actually give advice on how to farm geodes and gil easier and all I'm getting is "WELL HOW WOULD MAKING IT EASIER HARM YOOOOOOOOOOOOU FUPA". That's seriously how I picture you saying it, like patrick from spongebob. Saying you failed neo dynamis is no excuse for not having a relic and it now becomes SE's problem that you weren't competent enough to solo easy prey monsters and bring reraise? And why should the better magian weapons be as easy to make as the non used ones? Example being fire vs wind. Wind is not good, it's decent, but offers nothing in almost all situations now. Opposd to Fire, which offers str attack and helps cap pDIF on monsters, potentially boosting your DPS. Why should the fire be as easy to make as that wind path one? Now I will apply this to empyreans. Ukon is harder to make than Masamune by far. Ukon is better than Masa. Get my point?

[Camiie]

1. Answered your question, via I said it would not harm anything except for people that farm them for gil.

Then there's no reason NOT to change it. Even the most outspoken opponent admits it. There ya go devs. Time to get to work.

[Fupafighter]

Then there's no reason NOT to change it. Even the most outspoken opponent admits it. There ya go devs. Time to get to work.

Lol I never said it harmed anyone in anyway. I was just pointing out your laziness. Also they should drop heavy metal plates to every kill too. Won't harm anyone either.

[kewitt]

Fupafighters, You make personal attack. Your the only one still fighting on side to not change this. Without giving a reason why not to change it that would personally effect you. your argument is meaningless.

STOP TROLLING.

You make your point and you can scream it all your want and it will not change the minds of people that understand it isn't balanced in it's current state and that is what we are looking for.

[Frost]

People. Please use your and you're properly. It's disgusting to constantly read. I'm saying he feels empy/relic/mythic are out of reach. Ok so he had bad luck and probably bad kill speed, which resulted in no geode drops. NEEDS TO BE FIXED GUYS.


Nothing is out of reach, you'r just lazy.


Ok, normally I'd let this slide, but hypocrisy is hypocrisy... and irony is irony...

You're really arguing for the sake of arguing now. There'd be no adverse side-effect to upping the droprate, weather frequency, zones that have fire weather, etc. All it'd do is make not only those Magian trial weapons more accessible, but those items based on flame gems as well.

There is no reason for Fire weather only to exist in a handful of zones, at 2% the frequency of other weathers, while constrained to "Daytime Only"; nor is it reasonable that while on top of all that, "Fireday" can be trumped by weather.

No one is asking for thee things to drop from the sky in stacks... We just want them to be REASONABLE, in either supply, cost, or both.

There's been several good suggestions as to 'fixes', the Devs have decided that keeping these rare is the current status quo; and unless a Japanese player specifically complains, it's not going to change. (I'm kidding on the last part)

To the other part of the argument, I think that Geodes/-ites might drop 'once per game hour', and not so much 'once per five minutes'. but I never bothered to really test it, and I know I'm pretty sure I've gotten 2x Geodes in under five minutes, but I'm not 100% sure.

Either way.

Points were made, Trolls have come in to jerk themselves off at your expense, just let it go. Stop feeding these idiots, they really do just get off on your annoyance. So in short, you're jerking em off willingly, that makes you the idiot.

[Demon6324236]

A simple way to sum up this entire thread on the basis of what needs fixed.

Make sure drop rates are the same across the board. It is stupid that they seem to drop less than others, if they are flat across the board, then it should be fine.

If there is a limit on how many can drop in a certain time frame, remove it. It is not good to limit items like this which are needed in mass quantities, when the supply is effected by weather/day, and a limiter kills your time.

Make Fire weather more common. As of right now there is at least 1 area in the game, where each weather is fairly common. The only element without this is Fire.
Most common weather areas
Fire-No Where
Earth-Mount Zhayolm/Altepa/Batallia
Water-Pashhow(Near Constant)/La Theine
Wind-Buburimu/Grauberg(Near Constant)
Ice-Beaucedine(Near Constant)/Xarcabard(Near Constant)/Uleguerand(Near Constant)
Thunder-Qufim(Near Constant)/Vunkerl
Light-Nyzul Isle(100%)
Darkness-Beaucedine/Xarcabard


Separate Geodes & Ites as drops, so that fighting higher level mobs are not less rewarding, and instead, just as rewarding or more so.

[Fupafighter]

I did a little survey on my server with my fire path weapon holders, who are casual. About 30 people. All of them basically said you're all lazy. lol. It can be changed for all I care, hell I would prolly make a few more fire path weapons just because they would be cheaper. But listen to this. Saying you want the BEST of the magian classes to be made EASIER to get is basically like saying Ukon should be made easier because Masamune and Armageddon are easier to get. The reason why it's harder to get is because it is better than Masamune and Armageddon. It's called effort/reward ratio.

[Mirage]

But that doesn't hold true for all the magian weapons. Some fire path weapons are not the strongest, why should these be more expensive? What happens to your effort/reward ratio now?

[Aldersyde]

I did a little survey on my server with my fire path weapon holders, who are casual. About 30 people. All of them basically said you're all lazy. lol. It can be changed for all I care, hell I would prolly make a few more fire path weapons just because they would be cheaper. But listen to this. Saying you want the BEST of the magian classes to be made EASIER to get is basically like saying Ukon should be made easier because Masamune and Armageddon are easier to get. The reason why it's harder to get is because it is better than Masamune and Armageddon. It's called effort/reward ratio.

Your comparisons hold no water at all. Armageddon is simply the best weapon for cor, there is no other gun that even begins to compare with it. With it being so easy to build, there is never any reason to build another magian gun. Armageddon for cor has the same utility as Ukon for war. On the other hand, farsha for bst has one of the most annoying nm paths with fistule (an nm that cannot be spammed because of the nature of its spawn condition) and bukhis. According to your logic, farsha should be bloody spectacular, but instead its total ass. I really don't care about this flame geode arguments, I just wanted to point out your reasoning concerning better weapons being correlated with more difficult paths is not true at all.

[Fupafighter]

Your comparisons hold no water at all. Armageddon is simply the best weapon for cor, there is no other gun that even begins to compare with it. With it being so easy to build, there is never any reason to build another magian gun. Armageddon for cor has the same utility as Ukon for war. On the other hand, farsha for bst has one of the most annoying nm paths with fistule (an nm that cannot be spammed because of the nature of its spawn condition) and bukhis. According to your logic, farsha should be bloody spectacular, but instead its total ass. I really don't care about this flame geode arguments, I just wanted to point out your reasoning concerning better weapons being correlated with more difficult paths is not true at all.
Lol you can solo fistule on bst.... Can get all 50 in a day. So your argument is invalid. When you compare the upgrade armageddon gives compared to Ukon, you will see that Ukon is outstanding. Atleast with cor, you can do well with last stand if you don't have armageddon. Without Ukon, warrior is basically garbage. For F's sake, you can kill the yellow custard and hold the other NM until fistule spawns and you really won't have competition either for fistule. Does anyone here know anything about how to kill efficiently lol?

[Demon6324236]

Ok well change the idea then. We don't want a change for geodes, we want weather to be balanced. As I gave with my list...
1.Fire-No Where
2.Earth-Mount Zhayolm/Altepa/Batallia
3.Water-Pashhow(Near Constant)/La Theine
4.Wind-Buburimu/Grauberg(Near Constant)
5.Ice-Beaucedine(Near Constant)/Xarcabard(Near Constant)/Uleguerand(Near Constant)
6.Thunder-Qufim(Near Constant)/Vunkerl
7.Light-Nyzul Isle(100%)
8.Darkness-Beaucedine/XarcabardGive fire a place, and we will call it even.

[Camiie]

But that doesn't hold true for all the magian weapons. Some fire path weapons are not the strongest, why should these be more expensive? What happens to your effort/reward ratio now?

I brought this up before but he just trolled and said that I should have picked a different weapon. He has no arguments. He has no dog in the fight. I hope that SE sees the only ones against this being changed are Fupa and themselves, and neither have brought anything of value to the discussion. All they've said is no. That's not good enough.

[Fupafighter]

I brought this up before but he just trolled and said that I should have picked a different weapon. He has no arguments. He has no dog in the fight. I hope that SE sees the only ones against this being changed are Fupa and themselves, and neither have brought anything of value to the discussion. All they've said is no. That's not good enough.

Not once have I said "I am against it". I have been saying you guys are just lazy lol. And explained how it doesn't "need" to be changed. All you guys see is "THIS MUST BE CHANGED. NO QUESTIONS OR REASONING. IT HAS TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT IS TOO PRICEY AND HARD TO GET 55 GEODES".

[Mirage]

If you haven't seen any reasoning in this thread, it's because you haven't actually been reading any other posts than your own.

[Connavarr]

Not once have I said "I am against it". I have been saying you guys are just lazy lol. And explained how it doesn't "need" to be changed. All you guys see is "THIS MUST BE CHANGED. NO QUESTIONS OR REASONING. IT HAS TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT IS TOO PRICEY AND HARD TO GET 55 GEODES".

I have 2 fire weapons. I farmed and bought the geodes needed to 99'em. It was easy as hell for me, though annoying due to relying on Firesdays. This does not, however, mean that flame geodes shouldnt be changed. A flawed system is still flawed no matter how easy some players may find it.

Oh, and one more thing: either make a legit point against the change, or kindly shut the hell up. You're arguing for no other reason then to argue.

Grow up.

[Komori]

Doesn't Twashtar follow Ukon's path as well? I guess if that's the case, I'll start inviting Twash DNCs to DD situations over SAM, DRK etc. since the path of their empy proves how strong the weapon is.

[Camiie]

Not once have I said "I am against it".

Then why are you even here?


I have been saying you guys are just lazy lol.

Ah right. You're here for trolling and unprovoked personal attacks.


And explained how it doesn't "need" to be changed.

Well hell, nothing in FFXI "needs" to be changed.


All you guys see is "THIS MUST BE CHANGED. NO QUESTIONS OR REASONING. IT HAS TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT IS TOO PRICEY AND HARD TO GET 55 GEODES".

No that's all YOU see. Stop projecting.

People have pointed out how frequently other types of weather occur in relation to fire. Hell there's charts that show it if you care to look, which I'm sure you don't. You claimed that fire weapons are some of the best weapons, and we've told you that that isn't always the case. It's actually a small fraction of them that are markedly superior to other options. That hardly justifies all fire based weapons to be more difficult or expensive to obtain than their other-element counterparts.

A TP Bonus Great Katana is far more useful than a TP Bonus Great Axe. Why doesn't the GK require more Weapon Skills than the GA if time and effort involved are based on usefulness? And don't get me started on WoE weapons and the lack of balance there.

[Plasticleg]

fire weapons are hard

when does everything have to be equal? what is the reasoning behind your constant replies to an obvious troll, besides to muckrake yourself and complain about something that wasn't meant to be quick or equal to the other alternatives.

if you're building the dagger, then get an aluh jambiyah. if you're building the axe, that sucks. but in all honesty, there are other solutions, you're just upset that the best (and soloable) solution is a timesink.

wake up, you are playing an mmorpg.

[Camiie]

if you're building the dagger, then get an aluh jambiyah.

I did.


if you're building the axe, that sucks. but in all honesty, there are other solutions, you're just upset that the best (and soloable) solution is a timesink.

Atar III is what I'm making. That's the Avatar Perpetuation/Blood Pact Ability Delay Staff that is used with Ifrit. It is no better or worse than the equivalent weapon for any other avatar, yet it is far more expensive and time consuming to create.

[Mirage]

Hell, I would get two aluh jambiyas if they weren't rare.

[Plasticleg]

Hell, I would get two aluh jambiyas if they weren't rare.

aluh + eva dagger sounds more like something that you could attain

[Aldersyde]

Lol you can solo fistule on bst.... Can get all 50 in a day. So your argument is invalid. When you compare the upgrade armageddon gives compared to Ukon, you will see that Ukon is outstanding. Atleast with cor, you can do well with last stand if you don't have armageddon. Without Ukon, warrior is basically garbage. For F's sake, you can kill the yellow custard and hold the other NM until fistule spawns and you really won't have competition either for fistule. Does anyone here know anything about how to kill efficiently lol?

You can get 50 of any upgrade item in one day if you're determined enough. What's your point? Abyssea is Abyssea, nothing is hard so to speak any more. Fistule is a far bigger cockblock nm than any of the others, however, that's why it's a more annoying path. Fistule is on a 15 to 20 min timer, which means it will pop 3-4 times an hour if the player or the competition is killing reasonably fast. That's 3-8 fistule discharges per hour, per server. Other nms, including glavoid, have a far greater potential per sever to yield more upgrade items per hour depending on the efficiency of the players in the zone as there's 3 ??? and you can pop them whenever. Competition slows down your progress far more than on other paths because of the timed pop condition. So, if you lose a pop, you and your friends get to stand around with your thumbs of your asses while waiting for the next fistule. There is no 'efficiently' killing fistule. You're always constrained by the timed pop condition. That's why it's more 'difficult', which is to say it's annoying.

I noticed you only looked at half the farsha path as well and didn't even consider Bukhis, which to put it mildly, is a cocksucker, and cannot be soloed on bst (unless Xilk finally succeed in doing so). I've seen shouts in PJ that went on for hours in which people wanted help with Bukhis. No, he's not 'hard' but he wastes a lot of peoples' time, just because of his full dispel move (which includes atmas) that makes multiple people trudge back to the atma infuser after every fight.

So ya, you're still wrong (surprise, surprise). There's no correlation between 'difficult' paths and awesome weapons (see also dagger and polearm).

No one's being lazy about flame geodes. If they were, they wouldn't being asking for more consistent weather so they could go farm them themselves. That doesn't exactly scream laziness.

[Mirage]

aluh + eva dagger sounds more like something that you could attain

Eva dagger currently isn't very useful. I'm saving my flame geodes for a fire sword to use on blu.

[Nawesemo]

/facepalm....

[FrankReynolds]

I got 75 dragua scales in one night. Vere is clearly a shitty weapon. lol

[Fupafighter]

You can get 50 of any upgrade item in one day if you're determined enough. What's your point? Abyssea is Abyssea, nothing is hard so to speak any more. Fistule is a far bigger cockblock nm than any of the others, however, that's why it's a more annoying path. Fistule is on a 15 to 20 min timer, which means it will pop 3-4 times an hour if the player or the competition is killing reasonably fast. That's 3-8 fistule discharges per hour, per server. Other nms, including glavoid, have a far greater potential per sever to yield more upgrade items per hour depending on the efficiency of the players in the zone as there's 3 ??? and you can pop them whenever. Competition slows down your progress far more than on other paths because of the timed pop condition. So, if you lose a pop, you and your friends get to stand around with your thumbs of your asses while waiting for the next fistule. There is no 'efficiently' killing fistule. You're always constrained by the timed pop condition. That's why it's more 'difficult', which is to say it's annoying.

I noticed you only looked at half the farsha path as well and didn't even consider Bukhis, which to put it mildly, is a cocksucker, and cannot be soloed on bst (unless Xilk finally succeed in doing so). I've seen shouts in PJ that went on for hours in which people wanted help with Bukhis. No, he's not 'hard' but he wastes a lot of peoples' time, just because of his full dispel move (which includes atmas) that makes multiple people trudge back to the atma infuser after every fight.

So ya, you're still wrong (surprise, surprise). There's no correlation between 'difficult' paths and awesome weapons (see also dagger and polearm).

No one's being lazy about flame geodes. If they were, they wouldn't being asking for more consistent weather so they could go farm them themselves. That doesn't exactly scream laziness.
Dude. Whm and thf can duo bukhis no problem if you don't suck complete ballsack. The key items are easily farmed out of gold chest if needed too. Want some advice? Keep 3 shadows up.

[Nawesemo]

/double facepalm

[Demon6324236]

Dude. Whm and thf can duo bukhis no problem if you don't suck complete ballsack. The key items are easily farmed out of gold chest if needed too. Want some advice? Keep 3 shadows up.

Dude. Rdm and thf can duo glavoid no problem if you don't suck complete ballsack. The key items are easily farmed out of gold chest if needed too. Want some advice? Stun Disgorge

No really though. No Abyssea things are really that hard, Glav & Chloris are easy, they are just time taking because of KIs. Guess what else is easy and time taking? Flame weapons. No one is saying they are hard to make, people are saying that Fire Weather and the obtainment of Flame Geodes are unbalanced due to weather problems and supposedly drop rates on them.

[FrankReynolds]

Dude. Rdm and thf can duo glavoid no problem if you don't suck complete ballsack. The key items are easily farmed out of gold chest if needed too. Want some advice? Stun Disgorge

No really though. No Abyssea things are really that hard, Glav & Chloris are easy, they are just time taking because of KIs. Guess what else is easy and time taking? Flame weapons. No one is saying they are hard to make, people are saying that Fire Weather and the obtainment of Flame Geodes are unbalanced due to weather problems and supposedly drop rates on them.

I think he's just really hoping for someone to go off on him and start cursing and posting memes.

[Fupafighter]

Same concept. Glavoid takes alot longer to farm than carabosse. Same can be said about itzpap. What I don't understand is how people have issues with this. I mean all the energy you have spend trying to bitch me out and make your point more clearer than I already see it, could have been invested in getting your weapons instead lol. Are you all not farming these because geodes are too hard, or are you just finding something to yell at SE for. They know you don't like this, but since it's already easily obtainable by 95% of the player base, it's a working system to them. You're better off dropping this whole concept of changing weather and just doing it and moving on. It's just pure laziness. I could probably sit down and go to every zone and farm certain things and find 5-10 things a day that are "unbalanced". This isn't "unbalanced". If anything, it worked out in SE's favor.

[Demon6324236]

I know hes trolling, I just hope that if SE is paying attention that they see what we are asking for, rather than what he is saying we are whining about. I mean, I think SE is a good company for alot they do in gaming, but I highly doubt that 10 years ago they were sitting around a table, and knew the time where Fire weather would be used for something very good, so in return they made all Fire weather rare. Its not like weather is new, its not like they could have predicted this when they made it, saying that its rare because of balance or anything of the sort is nothing short of a load of BS seeing as there is no way they planed for that. The best trials for the most part are Fire, but there are other good ones as well with extreme ease, such as Light, Dark, Ice, and Wind, all of which have their own areas that have near constant weather and easy to farm geodes.

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A:Same concept. Glavoid takes alot longer to farm than carabosse. Same can be said about itzpap.
B:What I don't understand is how people have issues with this. I mean all the energy you have spend trying to bitch me out and make your point more clearer than I already see it, could have been invested in getting your weapons instead lol.
C:Are you all not farming these because geodes are too hard, or are you just finding something to yell at SE for.
D:They know you don't like this, but since it's already easily obtainable by 95% of the player base, it's a working system to them. You're better off dropping this whole concept of changing weather and just doing it and moving on.
E:It's just pure laziness.
F:I could probably sit down and go to every zone and farm certain things and find 5-10 things a day that are "unbalanced". This isn't "unbalanced". If anything, it worked out in SE's favor.

A:Except as you point out, you can do Gold Chest farming, and guess what? Thats any time you please, Fire is not so lucky, Fire trials are based on either a once every 8 hour day, or a randomly occurring weather of which has a low rate when compared to other weathers in the same zones. During these times you have the same freedom as a player who is doing an Emp weapon.

B:I tend to post in this after Fireday because I do most of the time try to farm a couple here and there when possible.

C:This isn't hard, Ill say it again, not hard! It is simply much more limiting than other types of weapons due to weather.

D:We are better off giving feedback on the game we are playing in order to attain a more playable and enjoyable game. 95% of the playerbase is not able to obtain these weapons, or if able, many choose not to. You see, many players make Emp weapons due to their ease, those who have not the time or groups to do such a thing, make fire weapons. How many people really play this game though and are not able to obtain an Emp? From what I have seen, and know, there are not all to many who can not make an Emp, yet still make a Fire trial weapon.

The most common reason for the inability to make an Emp is lack of time, if this is the case, you are not easily going to plan around a 1 hour time period of a game, or want to spend what time you have waiting in an area for a weather to appear. Now if you have no group or linkshell, you may have the time and/or money to obtain the Geodes, and kills, and this lets you get a Fire weapon. However from my experience, most players who play alone, also dualbox to make up for the lack of others, and this allows for the making of Emps which most players seem to do, again leaving Fire weapons alone.

A short way to say it is Fire Weapons may be able to be made by alot of people, but alot of those people can also make better weapons, such as Emps or Relics, and often do not bother with Fire weapons due to this.

I cant help but think that since Mythics were a failed attempt to make a weapon group for more casual players, and Emps are still hard at times for casual players, that they would not take Fire, the least potent of them all, and make them easy enough to fit this category easy.

E:How is it lazy? Its not that people dont want to work for the weapon, its that people dont want to be so limited on when, or how, they can work to obtain them. I gave the list of areas with common weather, as I said, no place for Fire weather, that is a problem. Fire is the only path I can think of that I have seen people shout for a party during the day for it. Its also the only path I can think of I have never seen anyone camping an area for weather to do.

F:You probably could, but you know what? Most things like that are either for a quest that not many players do, or is not very rewarding, and thus not very noticed. This however is for trials, very relevant to the current game, very rewarding, and very often done by many players, as such it is noticed and it is brought up. Just because something works out in someones favor does not always mean its a good thing and should be kept.

[Nawesemo]

Wait, wait, wait..... Were complaining, but your complaining about our complaining, because our complaining is taking away from our empy farming, and that has..... Something (I'll admit I may be missing a key point) to do with flame geodes? And that irritated you enough to point out the obvious pink elephant that people can't farm 24/7 the things they like and are just lazy because of it? Do I got that right, awesome take this cookie, go sit in the corner like a good kid, ..... Geodes suck, flame especially.

[RAIST]

for those actually trying to farm them in weather.... It's window for increasing frequency just opened up. It will gradually increase frequency over the next couple days, then slowly slope off as the weekend ends and will once again be in the off-season cycles late Monday/early Tuesday.

3 sessions as expected today.... Earthday, and Watersday (current one), and it's in forecast again for Iceday. That's 3 forecasts in roughly a 4 hour window (5/2, 5/3, 5/5 in-game dates for this year's pattern).

In other words....these next 6 days are more or less the best time frame to be checking for fire weather if you haven't been tracking the specific dates it has been known to pop on and are just checking for it randomly when you log in the game.

[Fupafighter]

Hundreds of flame geodes go out daily. How in anyway is that unbalanced. Farming them solo is a hassle yes, but there are other options to get them.

[Komori]

Because in relation, thousands of every other geodes go out daily.

[Demon6324236]

How in anyway is that unbalanced.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110425110812/ffxi/images/6/62/Weather_Intensity.png

1.Fire-No Where
2.Earth-Mount Zhayolm/Altepa/Batallia
3.Water-Pashhow(Near Constant)/La Theine
4.Wind-Buburimu/Grauberg(Near Constant)
5.Ice-Beaucedine(Near Constant)/Xarcabard(Near Constant)/Uleguerand(Near Constant)
6.Thunder-Qufim(Near Constant)/Vunkerl
7.Light-Nyzul Isle(100%)
8.Darkness-Beaucedine/XarcabardThat is how!

[FrankReynolds]

Fupa,

stop being lazy and go farm some flame geodes for these people instead of complaining about how you hate complaining. That way they can stop complaining and you can stop complaining about complaining. Everybody wins.

[Fupafighter]

Hundreds of people are randomly all over Vanadiel daily killing random mobs, either for trials, xp, fun, or aggro. Often does it result in a geode drop. Hundreds drop daily on each server. There doesn't need to be weather. This is an MMO, not a solo game. And a reason they can be bought. I'm basically quoting what the devs are thinking to themselves but cannot say. Devs "You're lazy and cheap, would you like some cheese with that wine?".

[RAIST]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110425110812/ffxi/images/6/62/Weather_Intensity.png
That is how!

and again.. that chart is a limited sampling and doesn't completely reflect the weather patterns...fire was just in the forecast again for lightsday in altepa--for the fourth KNOWN time in this cycle during the first week of May.

That is 4 forecasts during the first week of May in game: 5/2, 5/3, 5/5, and 5/7---4 out of 6 days (or hours) with fire in the forecast. That chart only shows 1 instance near first and last weeks of the month for altepa and one mid May for the Cape, missing 3 instances right off the bat just for the month of May.

Again.... it follows a pattern, and if you put effort into tracking it....you can predict a lot of the times it will pop (to within a 1 RL hour window at best, one RL week window of high frequencey at worst). Over a week in advance, I knew ~20 seperate 58 minute windows during the past 9 days when weather would be in the forecast because I documented a section of the cycle and saw it repeating. Those instances started lining up with my notes as far back as 8/23 (RL Calendar).

Edit: I have two dates scribbled on the side... think they are for the next game year in the cycle. If that is true, fire will be in the forecast again for two lightsdays on Sept. 25--one lightsday starting around Midnight Eastern time, the next around 8 AM Eastern. Unfortunately, that's a Tuesday and not a good day for me...but if it was, I could check the forecast Monday night, perhaps hit it then, and/or hit it in the morning if I was up. That's almost a 2 week notice of two opportunities if those were in fact in line with the next game year for the cycle.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Back on subject, over the weekend, I got 6!!!!!! Flame geodes. Luck?If it took you the entire weekend to get 6, that drip is extremely low compaired to the rest.

1.Fire-No Where
2.Earth-Mount Zhayolm/Altepa/Batallia/Eldimine Necropolis[S](Near Constant)
3.Water-Pashhow(Near Constant)/La Theine
4.Wind-Buburimu/Grauberg(Near Constant)
5.Ice-Beaucedine(Near Constant)/Xarcabard(Near Constant)/Uleguerand(Near Constant)
6.Thunder-Qufim(Near Constant)/Vunkerl
7.Light-Nyzul Isle(100%)
8.Darkness-Beaucedine/XarcabardYou forgot one.

[bryangelos]

Someone needs to lock this thread.

[Camiie]

and again.. that chart is a limited sampling and doesn't completely reflect the weather patterns...fire was just in the forecast again for lightsday in altepa--for the fourth KNOWN time in this cycle during the first week of May.

Isn't your post just limited sampling as well?

[Theytak]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FakeDifficulty

There's nothing challenging about getting flame geodes. It's not hard. It's not difficult. It's definitely not impossible. But, you know, the obscene about of time it can take, as well as the stupid amount of luck, and the horridly clunky drop mechanics make it needlessly tedious, and a massive waste of time. There's nothing fun about it. That's the problem. This game has, over the years, been slowly working away from its early excessive use of fake difficulty, but right now, it's had a resurgence. That's what we're trying to fix. That's what we want changed. If we can get them to ease up here and realize that this is stupid and pointlessly tedious for no justifiable reason, then we might get the devs to realize that this system isn't one we enjoy, but it can be easily modified to one that we do.

[Komori]

What I don't understand right now is the people calling everyone here, lazy. No one is asking for the amount of geodes to be lowered, or for alternative easier ways for the 99 requirement. People here are just asking for a way to be able to farm their own geodes more efficently or solutions to make flame geodes less of a dent in everyone's wallet. The solution is so easily fixed with either making Altepa have more frequent fire weather or one of the two volcanoes. Or changing the synthesis for elemental gems from geodes to avatarites.

[FrankReynolds]

What I don't understand right now is the people calling everyone here, lazy. No one is asking for the amount of geodes to be lowered, or for alternative easier ways for the 99 requirement. People here are just asking for a way to be able to farm their own geodes more efficently or solutions to make flame geodes less of a dent in everyone's wallet. The solution is so easily fixed with either making Altepa have more frequent fire weather or one of the two volcanoes. Or changing the synthesis for elemental gems from geodes to avatarites.

It's funny when people call people lazy in general. As if doing something in a video game implies any sort of real life work ethic... or that work ethic should even be a part of a video game at all.

Also keep in mind that he said he doesn't have a problem with changing the drops / weather, he just came in here to insult everyone and call them lazy. Thankfully his trolling lead to a nicely detailed chart being posted that really sums the problem up nicely. I love when trolling backfires.

[RAIST]

Isn't your post just limited sampling as well?

Yes...but everyone keeps referring to that chart as definitive proof of how scarce certain weather is...no matter how many times contrary data is presented. For instance... 2 forecasts of light in an entire game year? And I just saw a 5th forecast of fire for the month of May (Watersday on May 27 in Altepa, one I didn't have in my notes). Yet that chart only shows 3 forecasts total for the month of May--2 for Altpep and one for the Cape.

The bigger point is that it is a repeating pattern. What that means in a nutshell....whether you have a complete data set or a partial one, once you gather enough data to be able to identify when things are in line again, you have a forecast to follow for however big your data set is. More or less, your success in hunting this weather boils down to your level of commitment (or lack of commitment) to track it.

[FrankReynolds]

Yes...but everyone keeps referring to that chart as definitive proof of how scarce certain weather is...no matter how many times contrary data is presented. For instance... 2 forecasts of light in an entire game year? And I just saw a 5th forecast of fire for the month of May (Watersday on May 27 in Altepa, one I didn't have in my notes). Yet that chart only shows 3 forecasts total for the month of May--2 for Altpep and one for the Cape.

The bigger point is that it is a repeating pattern. What that means in a nutshell....whether you have a complete data set or a partial one, once you gather enough data to be able to identify when things are in line again, you have a forecast to follow for however big your data set is. More or less, your success in hunting this weather boils down to your level of commitment (or lack of commitment) to track it.

I'm not sure what your motivation is / was for tracking weather, but I assure you that the idea of doing that would never even occur to 99.99% of the rest of the worlds population, let alone be considered something that should be required. None of these weapons are strong enough to warrant that kind of planning.

EDIT: and before dummies (not talking about raist here) come in and say "Y SO LAZY?!?"... I have several magian weapons / empys and have no need for flame geodes. I just recognize when something is broken and want to fix it.

[RAIST]

hehe.. in a way, you kinda answered the question yourself when you said no one would ever think to track it. Curious minds tend to do curious things...else we wouldn't know half of what we know about this game.

The motivation was simply to see if what felt like a repeating pattern actually was, so I started noting when it was popping while I was doing other things....trials, tracking weather for future SMN's or other people's trials, farming my own geodes (not just fire, but all elements, as I have a ton of magians), farming in abyssea--that reporting site is a great tool. And sure enough, I saw a repeating pattern---not just of season, but actual alignment of elemental day, game date, and forecast. In doing so, I discovered that fire weather really is not as rare as people seem to think it is...they just have probably never actively been lookiing for it until now, and so may not have a firm grasp of how to find it efficiently. Some people seem to have figured it out on a much grander scale (at times can see the same name sell 10+ geodes in one day in AH), but kept their methods/info to themselves and have been reaping the benefits from their efforts. Just trying to share some of that information in the hopes that it might click for more people.

[Camiie]

The bigger point is that it is a repeating pattern. What that means in a nutshell....whether you have a complete data set or a partial one, once you gather enough data to be able to identify when things are in line again, you have a forecast to follow for however big your data set is. More or less, your success in hunting this weather boils down to your level of commitment (or lack of commitment) to track it.

But how much of a commitment should one really have to make for a non-legendary class weapon? Yes a handful of these weapons are very powerful, and many of them are not. Yet apparently we all must become virtual meteorologists in order to have a chance at making one (good weapon or not) via farming. You're saying it looks as though fire weather is more common than we suspected, but that's not saying much. If it were twice as common it would still be far behind the others. It's not like people aren't checking the forecasts at all. I do even if I'm going for what's generally common weather.

Still, and maybe I'm a little extreme on this, I don't believe in content (other than holiday specific events) that requires one to log-in during a specific window of time to have a chance to get it done. I think that's one of the worst ideas ever to come out of MMO design. But, obviously we have such content and we always will, so I would ask that SE at least try to minimize it by having more windows of opportunity available so I can choose one that fits my schedule rather than having to work my life around the game's schedule.

[Raksha]

And I just saw a 5th forecast of fire for the month of May (Watersday on May 27 in Altepa, one I didn't have in my notes). Yet that chart only shows 3 forecasts total for the month of May--2 for Altpep and one for the Cape.


Even if fire weather were twice as common as the chart shows, it'd still be too rare.

[Nawesemo]

It is what it is..... We don't like it, we bitched pissed and moaned, now time to suck it up and get on getting on, .....this thread is deemed lockable..not muck more can be said,..can I get an amen.

[Camiie]

It is what it is..... We don't like it, we bitched pissed and moaned, now time to suck it up and get on getting on, .....this thread is deemed lockable..not muck more can be said,..can I get an amen.

Nothing will ever change with that sort of attitude. The complaints will stop once the problem is resolved to our satisfaction. We need to stop accepting either silence or "working as intended" as proper responses. Just because the devs think something is OK doesn't mean it is.

[Nawesemo]

...... ......... ......... O.o wait, were expecting a change!? (Knowing that weather is like one of the few things in the game thats never bwen tampered with?). Ok then, its stilllllllllll s.e. were talkin about, our problem lies in rhe geodes desireability, flames make +str stuff, everyone wants +str stuff... I guess a geode Exchange like beastmen seals, 3:1 mightmake sense... But, uh we play for these little obsticals, this paticular one we dont like, ....,with the fix it attitude, and just not doing the weapon will never get done right?..... I'm starting to see , "your just lazy" guys point of view....... developers, can we have global warming please. (I'm just saying if s.e. felt we were right, we would uave a change, we wont, so suck it up get it done, and back to what you did for fun)

[FrankReynolds]

...... ......... ......... O.o wait, were expecting a change!? (Knowing that weather is like one of the few things in the game thats never bwen tampered with?). Ok then, its stilllllllllll s.e. were talkin about, our problem lies in rhe geodes desireability, flames make +str stuff, everyone wants +str stuff... I guess a geode Exchange like beastmen seals, 3:1 mightmake sense... But, uh we play for these little obsticals, this paticular one we dont like, ....,with the fix it attitude, and just not doing the weapon will never get done right?..... I'm starting to see , "your just lazy" guys point of view....... developers, can we have global warming please. (I'm just saying if s.e. felt we were right, we would uave a change, we wont, so suck it up get it done, and back to what you did for fun)

So "Stop being so lazy...just give up and accept things..." doesn't sound weird or maybe even a little contradictory at all to you?

[Nawesemo]

Lol only if my flame geode requiring weapons were not done.,, yeah, it would be but they are, it sucked, but isn't collecting 60k Alex's..... I feel the pain, I do, and wish fire weather was more common, but jumping up and down demanding that it does, ain't getting anyone's weapon done any sooner for anyone still hunting em.... But yeah, ....it sucks. In the end Ya'll still lookin, will finish, or quit, ....

[FrankReynolds]

Lol only if my flame geode requiring weapons were not done.,, yeah, it would be but they are, it sucked, but isn't collecting 60k Alex's..... I feel the pain, I do, and wish fire weather was more common, but jumping up and down demanding that it does, ain't getting anyone's weapon done any sooner for anyone still hunting em.... But yeah, ....it sucks. In the end Ya'll still lookin, will finish, or quit, ....

I highly doubt that anyone in here is putting off game play to post on the forum. Most people post here when they are unable to play (like at work / school / from their phone) or have downtime like when they are on a boat / airship, waiting for a group to gather for an event, crafting etc. No one actually puts the game down and waits for a response.

[Nawesemo]

I highly doubt that anyone in here is putting off game play to post on the forum. Most people post here when they are unable to play (like at work / school / from their phone) or have downtime like when they are on a boat / airship, waiting for a group to gather for an event, crafting etc. No one actually puts the game down and waits for a response.

O.o and putting off things to write here is a good indication their busting their ass off in game to get the everly elusive geodes? Think about it a bit.

[Komori]

Firesday is only about three times a day and there is no weather to rely on a majority of the time. That's like seven hours between each to wait until the next firesday?

[Demon6324236]

I highly doubt that anyone in here is putting off game play to post on the forum. Most people post here when they are unable to play (like at work / school / from their phone) or have downtime like when they are on a boat / airship, waiting for a group to gather for an event, crafting etc. No one actually puts the game down and waits for a response.

Yep, most of the time I'm posting I'm waiting on a VW party to get together and I assume most others do much of the same.


O.o and putting off things to write here is a good indication their busting their ass off in game to get the everly elusive geodes? Think about it a bit.

I assure you I could camp Cape T or Altepa for Fire Geodes and have more than enough time to post on these forums between Fireday & Weather.

[Nawesemo]

I assure you I could camp Cape T or Altepa for Fire Geodes and have more than enough time to post on these forums between Fireday & Weather.
*gasp and waste all that gil farming time to purchase the geodes to end their suffering sooner, the shame, the shame....

[Mirage]

What exactly is your point, Nawesemo?

Posting here is a waste of time you could have spent farming flame geodes (even on windsdays)?
Farming geodes is a waste of time you could have spent farming gil?
Not farming geodes means you're lazy (even if it means you have to actually battle enemies instead of just placing bids)?

You seem pretty incoherent and/or contradicting yourself. Maybe you could clear this up.

[Nawesemo]

Lol, I'm in the fire weather should be more common camp, but i play this game for its meager satisfaction given for completing rediculous tasks, I've done a lot of what's going on here, farmed gil, farmed my own geodes, robbed mules etc, etc to get mine done. This thread started a few weeks ago, ..... Since then I'm sure whoever started it must have finnished, through sheer determination. Yes it sucks, but demanding it change with the Passion some of these posts display, is....out and out refusal to get them done. I'm just guessing it got done...... And now just bitching to bitch..... But its a tragedy for the rest who are just now starting.... It is what it is. Deal with it. And get them done. Pretty simple, treating it like its farming abyssea mobs for empys lol yeah, but Passion dont care about reason.... Deductive reasoning isn't something everyone can do..... Posting on forums of allegid injustuces, anyone can.

[FrankReynolds]

Lol, I'm in the fire weather should be more common camp, but i play this game for its meager satisfaction given for completing rediculous tasks, I've done a lot of what's going on here, farmed gil, farmed my own geodes, robbed mules etc, etc to get mine done. This thread started a few weeks ago, ..... Since then I'm sure whoever started it must have finnished, through sheer determination. Yes it sucks, but demanding it change with the Passion some of these posts display, is....out and out refusal to get them done. I'm just guessing it got done...... And now just bitching to bitch..... But its a tragedy for the rest who are just now starting.... It is what it is. Deal with it. And get them done. Pretty simple, treating it like its farming abyssea mobs for empys lol yeah, but Passion dont care about reason.... Deductive reasoning isn't something everyone can do..... Posting on forums of allegid injustuces, anyone can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

[Mirage]

Lol, I'm in the fire weather should be more common camp, but i play this game for its meager satisfaction given for completing rediculous tasks, I've done a lot of what's going on here, farmed gil, farmed my own geodes, robbed mules etc, etc to get mine done. This thread started a few weeks ago, ..... Since then I'm sure whoever started it must have finnished, through sheer determination. Yes it sucks, but demanding it change with the Passion some of these posts display, is....out and out refusal to get them done. I'm just guessing it got done...... And now just bitching to bitch..... But its a tragedy for the rest who are just now starting.... It is what it is. Deal with it. And get them done. Pretty simple, treating it like its farming abyssea mobs for empys lol yeah, but Passion dont care about reason.... Deductive reasoning isn't something everyone can do..... Posting on forums of allegid injustuces, anyone can.

Basically, what you're saying is:
It doesn't affect me anymore so I don't care if other people have to go through it.

Well that's good for you, however, some people actually think about other people. Some friends of me are in need of a lot of flame geodes even if I don't have a use for them at this point. I've got enough for the fire weapon when I decide to start making it, but I still don't wish for other players to deal with this.

[Nawesemo]

Basically, what you're saying is:
It doesn't affect me anymore so I don't care if other people have to go through it.

Well that's good for you, however, some people actually think about other people. Some friends of me are in need of a lot of flame geodes even if I don't have a use for them at this point. I've got enough for the fire weapon when I decide to start making it, but I still don't wish for other players to deal with this.
You skipped the first line me thinks., dood its a team thing I guess, most people who play with me know me as fairly helpful, if these geodes from hell are needed, and I have a few, i kick down what i got, their drop rate is the same as others, weather less common, but do drop just like the rest, its a supply vs. Demand issue... If s.e. doubled the drop on them they would still be the most expensive on the a.h. take out the synth to fire gems, they stillllllll would be, .... It's just a shitty deal. But yeah, fire weather needs to happen more, and people needing em just need to keep on, getting em. It is what it is, and why we play.

[Mirage]

But if they could be reliably farmed on your own, you wouldn't have to deal with the AH prices to complete your weapons. You could do it by being out in the field, killing stuff in fire weather, which to me sounds like the exact opposite of laziness.

Currently, the only way to specifically target flame geodes for farming is to schedule your life around when it's firesday in FF11, and when the season with a bit more fire weather is in effect. That's fine for people who are "hard core", cause scheduling your life around a game isn't too unusual for them anyway, but this is not how most average players like to play their games. And the way I see it, these weapons are meant more for these players than the hardcore players. Hardcore players just screw all this geode business and get an empyrelicmythic right away. Except maybe an eva/pdt weapon here and there, but those are a lot cheaper anyway.

[Demon6324236]

But if they could be reliably farmed on your own, you wouldn't have to deal with the AH prices to complete your weapons. You could do it by being out in the field, killing stuff in fire weather, which to me sounds like the exact opposite of laziness.

Agreed. I guess somewhere along the way wanting to farm things yourself became lazy and buying things from the AH became hard work...

[Fupafighter]

But if they could be reliably farmed on your own, you wouldn't have to deal with the AH prices to complete your weapons. You could do it by being out in the field, killing stuff in fire weather, which to me sounds like the exact opposite of laziness.

Currently, the only way to specifically target flame geodes for farming is to schedule your life around when it's firesday in FF11, and when the season with a bit more fire weather is in effect. That's fine for people who are "hard core", cause scheduling your life around a game isn't too unusual for them anyway, but this is not how most average players like to play their games. And the way I see it, these weapons are meant more for these players than the hardcore players. Hardcore players just screw all this geode business and get an empyrelicmythic right away. Except maybe an eva/pdt weapon here and there, but those are a lot cheaper anyway.
The sad part is it's more efficient to farm gil and buy geodes for ANY weather magian. Idk why people would honestly want to farm the geodes rather than gil -----> buy. Unless you don't know how to make gil.

[Komori]

Because if everyone was an idiot and only used their money for things, there would be nothing to buy. Someone has to farm those same geodes you buy.

[Demon6324236]

I keep saying that but I don't think its sinking in, that or Fupa is just trolling to troll which seems to be the more likely of the 2.

[Mirage]

The sad part is it's more efficient to farm gil and buy geodes for ANY weather magian. Idk why people would honestly want to farm the geodes rather than gil -----> buy. Unless you don't know how to make gil.

Why should it stay like that, though? Why does Trial of the magians have to be Trials of the gillians?

Also, what if someone knows how to make gil, but lacks the gear to do it efficiently? Perhaps they would get something like oh I don't know a fire trial weapon to make it easier to actually make lots of money? Everything is easy when you already have money to invest with. You gotta spend money to make money, this is true, but it's hard to spend money to make money when you don't have any money to spend.

[Kysaiana]

I finished the flame shikargar I was working on sometime last week. I did it entirely by farming on firesday minus maybe 2-3 geodes I bought off the AH when the were "cheaper." I want to say it took 2 months just for the 40 geode trial as I already had saved up around 15 geodes from months before anticipating I would build another fire trial weapon. I think all the kill x mobs during weather/day trials took me a week? Any other weather path at all could have finished farming geodes in a week tops. This doesn't seem unbalanced to people? I mean you could farm up 55 wind geodes in a day if you wanted to and those go for 15-20kish at times.

I know I could have probably spent less time farming up 4 mil gil or w/e, or rather just blowing the gil and making it back later. But it's the principle of the thing. Not asking for geodes to be cheaper. Just asking that flame geodes be as simple to farm as the other 7 elements. That's it. I mean, I'm not even going to do another fire magian trial, so I have no stake in this anymore and I still think it should be changed. My first fire magian weapon took far less time because flame geodes used to exist more before ifritites started dropping on pretty much anything people regularly kill. That and everyone wasn't jumping on resolution band-wagon (since it didn't exist yet) so pyrosoul rings were about 500k as opposed to 2mil+ like they are now.

[Fupafighter]

Most geodes don't come from actual farming people. They come from people doing random activities(such as farming gold chests or xp pties, Fields of Valor). You can +2 a job in aurore gear with the current state abyssea is in. And a fire weapon will make no difference on your ability to do so.

[Komori]

But do most people who are STILL wearing Aurore/Teal/Perle really care to and attempt to ever solo seals or +2? Nope, most of them don't even want it. And fire weapons on some particular jobs are great; not so much on others because of easier to get alternatives but it's sad when elemental weapons to get are probably more of a hassle to hurdle than some of the legendary weapons.

I have my strength sword and am about to make a strength dagger and dread the dent in my pocket.

[bryangelos]

Again, lock this thread. The horse has been beaten.

[Demon6324236]

But do most people who are STILL wearing Aurore/Teal/Perle really care to and attempt to ever solo seals or +2? Nope, most of them don't even want it. And fire weapons on some particular jobs are great; not so much on others because of easier to get alternatives but it's sad when elemental weapons to get are probably more of a hassle to hurdle than some of the legendary weapons.

I have my strength sword and am about to make a strength dagger and dread the dent in my pocket.
Really when you sit down and think about it how many STR weapons are even that good?
Most people use Fire Katana, Dagger, & Sword. Past that not many of them are ever made even. GK you make TP Bonus, GS you make OAT, GA I'm not sure, Polearm you make OAT, that covers most weapons. COR & RNG make Wind for normal attacks & Ice gun for Quickdraw.

Again, lock this thread. The horse has been beaten.
Lock it and it shall simply rise again, we wish an overturn on a decision SE made, we simply wish weather to become more balanced with Fire weather appearing more often in areas as all other weathers have their own areas it is much the same with.