PS2 players please get xbox 360 lol

[jeffanddane]

So i stumbled on the reasons why we cant get good updates etc. . . . . Its because ps2 limitations? Why not just get rid of the ps2 or does SE really rake in that much money from ps2 players ? I mean xbox 360s i see them all the time for 100 dollars on ebay and craigslist etc. I mean why not make pc / xbox servers for newer updates ? like enchanced graphics new abilities new summoner etc etc?

[Rocman]

I am a ps2 and ps3 person, i will never play or own an crapbox!

[jeffanddane]

well just letting you know that ps2 is limiting ffxi from getting better content / graphics etc x.x you should get a pc! And xbox's arn't that bad anymore XD i hate them but there not bad as they used to be x.x

[Rocman]

I have a pc. I play on ps2 and pc. They need to transfer it to the ps3 then that would be a lot better.

[jeffanddane]

they needa do something! because there getting so close to where FFXI wont play on ps2 anymore and now there holding back stuff that could make the game so much better :(

[Dauntless]

I have a pc. I play on ps2 and pc. They need to transfer it to the ps3 then that would be a lot better.

. .

[KorPoni]

I would like to see "Final Fantasy XI-2", and have it on PC, PS3, and XBOX 360, and take all the content from the old game, and update mobs with more differenciated graphics between the names, AND have room to continue expanding and updating.

Being stuck on keeping PS2 in the loop I can understand for atleast 2 more years. The system is getting outdated altogether, but it's not completely outdated yet. And, as I've seen, people play ffxi like it's their crack, they'll spill money into the game if they are forced to. I know I wouldn't mind seeing the game move forward with any measure of improving. Been loving the game up to now, no reason to quit on it yet.

[rog]

well just letting you know that ps2 is limiting ffxi from getting better graphics
No it's not. The only thing stopping them from updating the graphics is money.

[Krashport]

they needa do something! because there getting so close to where FFXI wont play on ps2 anymore and now there holding back stuff that could make the game so much better :(

When you said "they", I'm pretty sure your referring to SQUARE-EXIN, "Some" PS2 players need to read the end user agreement: Game content maybe change do to online use. Your argument is w/ SONY not SQUARE-EXIN. SE doesn't "Need" to do anything. I just hope SQUARE-EXIN makes 11 better.

Wonder how many more Thread about this issue going to be made....

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/679-For-those-of-us-who-still-support-the-PS2-version-of-FFXI

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/2502-Storage-Problems-on-Xbox-360

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1970-What-Platform-Do-You-use-to-play

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/898-PS2-Limitations-What-are-Rumors-What-is-Truth

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1819-FFXI-BETTER-WHAT-FFXIV-WHY-NOT

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1040-FFXI-death-PS2-fault

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/1067-PS3-Digital-Download-Version-Request

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/770-PS2-Limitations...

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Ewww, god no... get a PC.

[RAIST]

Xbox has it's own set of issues too. Got to PC--use a USB converter for your old console controller, or get a new USB one for the PC. Then, once everyone is off consoles...guess what, only one platform to program too because DirectX uses one set of intermediate API's that is consistent across all 3 flavors of Winblows (provided you stay in the one DirectX release, like DX9)--just have to program to that one set of API's.

Fully compliant DirectX9 game for all = WIN

Raist

[Odintius]

I just find it if it get in the way of progress then it should be discontiue and moved to a system that will benifit that progress not stop it imo.

[Mordanthos]

screw GAYBOX 360 so hard, i can play for free on PS2, while i bet XBOX 360 gonna make me pay a fee to even connect the stupid thing online, for gay hole xbox live BS. thats why im on PS2 still, but im on PS2 and PC, and only switch to PS2 when the wife wants to play WoW or some garbage.

[Odintius]

nope silver is free ive moved from ps2 to xbox and fianlly to pc. PC way to go imo

[Nu-Hir]

screw GAYBOX 360 so hard, i can play for free on PS2, while i bet XBOX 360 gonna make me pay a fee to even connect the stupid thing online, for gay hole xbox live BS.

I play for free on my Xbox and my PC. It only requires a silver account to get online to play FFXI.

[Zyeriis]

PC vs. Xbox 360 vs. PS2 thread (how many of these have i seen in my life about ffxi?).

I personally have all 3 systems (and a PS3). I do not have the ps2 version of ffxi however.
Let me break this down: There's no reason to still be playing the ps2 version. The op is completely correct on this point. However, if you're going to move to another system, PC would be your best bet for overall improved performance. The problem here is switching from controller to keyboard.

If you can't handle the change to a keyboard there are 2 solutions.
1) Don't go to the PC version, go the Xbox 360 version. Yes, the controller will still take getting used to, as it varies greatly from the playstation controller but it'll be easier to adapt than switching from controller to keyboard.

2) Buy a gamepad. I don't believe I've seen a gamepad in quite some time that is modeled after a playstation controller so you may have so trouble finding one. The alternative is one modeled after a xbox 360 controller (that's what I have, the madcatz wired xbox 360 controller since microsoft themselves have stopped producing wired controllers completely).

Other than these minor issues with switching from ps2 to another system, it also depends on your situation. In some cases, getting a xbox 360 will be significantly cheaper than buying a brand new computer or upgrading the one you currently have (if yours is horribly out of date). Experience differs from person to person regarding the xbox 360's ability to stay connected and not lag (I personally found it's connectivity better than my PC at the time [i've since gotten a much newer and faster computer and internet connection, so has likely drastically changed in the months I have been gone]).

All I can say, either way, getting off the PS2 is highly recommended, for everyone's sake. There is absolutely no reason to continue playing on it. I've gone back and forth from PC and Xbox 360 over the years, they both work fine. They both have their ups and downs, pros and cons, but each of them, from what i've seen, are vastly superior to the ps2 version, in every way.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

From someone who not only has, but has played on all three. Drop the PS2, it's not only holding the game back, but your game play as well.

[Nu-Hir]

2) Buy a gamepad. I don't believe I've seen a gamepad in quite some time that is modeled after a playstation controller so you may have so trouble finding one. The alternative is one modeled after a xbox 360 controller (that's what I have, the madcatz wired xbox 360 controller since microsoft themselves have stopped producing wired controllers completely).

Logitech makes controllers that are shaped like a PS2 controller for either $9.99 or $19.99, I forget how much I paid for mine. Apparently, you can also use a PS3 controller on a PC, I don't recall if it's wired only or via bluetooth.

[jeffanddane]

seriously who cares how many threads you seen of this the more threads that are like this the more SE will be urged to put FFXI in to motion for a better future. Most of these threads are really popular . .. . They should probably like i said make a pc xbox server only and you can get better graphics better abilities etc. Yes xbox is gross but they have more potential then ps2 due to not that bad of space limitations . . . . .

[Zebra]

1. Buy a PC/Laptop, ignore the xbox360
2. Burn the Ps2/+ xbox 360
3a. Bury the ashes in your backyard, or whereever it would want to rest in peace.
3b. Buy a gamepad/xbox 360 controller to play with on PC/Laptop
4. Log on the game
5. Play it, join the " omfg ps2 limitations sucks " movement on x gaming forum
6. Realize how ignorant you have been for the past few years for not doing this sooner.
7. Rejoice and enjoy.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Logitech makes controllers that are shaped like a PS2 controller for either $9.99 or $19.99, I forget how much I paid for mine. Apparently, you can also use a PS3 controller on a PC, I don't recall if it's wired only or via bluetooth.PS3 controlers come with a cord that plugs into it and has a USB end.

[jeffanddane]

lmfao Zebra. . . . I agree with you about everything but the xbox 360 thing i am just saying do this because its an affordable route not everyone has 500+ dollars to spend on a pc but a 100 360 is usually in grasps and you dont have to pay for a gold membership!

[Zyeriis]

Logitech makes controllers that are shaped like a PS2 controller for either $9.99 or $19.99, I forget how much I paid for mine. Apparently, you can also use a PS3 controller on a PC, I don't recall if it's wired only or via bluetooth.
You can use the ps3 controller on PC but it requires very specific drivers and is a huge pain to get working. I tried, many times before just going out and buying that 360 gamepad at radioshack (it was also either $9.99 or $19.99, can't remember -_- *facepalm*). Anyway, I recommend just buying a gamepad rather than trying to figure that ps3 to pc driver mess out (not worth the headache).

Different note: Who cares how many of these threads I've seen? No one, what bothers me is the bickering about which is the better option, which happens every single time, this thread is absolutely no exception, clearly.

[rog]

PS3 controlers come with a cord that plugs into it and has a USB end.You can also connect via bluetooth.

[Nu-Hir]

PS3 controlers come with a cord that plugs into it and has a USB end.

Yes, I know they have a USB charging cord. I just don't recall if you have to use them on a PC with the cord, or via blue tooth. I know I can't use my Xbox controller on my PC with the charging cable, and that I have to use a wireless dongle to get it to work.

And Rog anwers my question.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Real PCs don't have bluetooth.

[Nu-Hir]

Real PCs don't have bluetooth.

So the PC sitting next to me is fake?

[Zyeriis]

Yes, I know they have a USB charging cord. I just don't recall if you have to use them on a PC with the cord, or via blue tooth. I know I can't use my Xbox controller on my PC with the charging cable, and that I have to use a wireless dongle to get it to work.

And Rog anwers my question.

Do NOT get that microsoft xbox 360 wireless controller adapter, that piece of crap is poorly constructed and will fry for no reason. Waste of money. It's so poorly constructed that amateur sodders were able to open it up and sod the wires back together to make it work again.

[Juri_Licious]

The only people i've seen that dislike Xbox 360 are either the following.

1. They've actually never played one.
2. They have no idea what they're talking about.
3. Sony fanboys.

Good thing for me I own all 3 this gen consoles + a gaming PC.

*EDIT*
I also have the Wireless 360 Controller Adapter for my PC and it works fine and i've had it for over a year.

[rog]

The only people i've seen that dislike Xbox 360 are either the following.

1. They've actually never played one.
2. They have no idea what they're talking about.
3. Sony fanboys.

Good thing for me I own all 3 this gen consoles + a gaming PC.

*EDIT*
I also have the Wireless 360 Controller Adapter for my PC and it works fine and i've had it for over a year.
After recently having my second X360 die, i have to say, i rather dislike the system. And i don't really care much for sony either.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

So the PC sitting next to me is fake?If it was pre-assembled, then yes. Those are for email.

[Zebra]

Dear jeffanddane, nah. Xbox360 for this game would only be a slight sidestep off the Ps2. not to mention, you can spend 200 dollars (or less these days) on a desktop that could run this game perfectly fine.

@ Juri_Licious if you directed it towards me, i've own a xbox for the past 3+ years, its crap, face it, with a failure rate at around 30% of all the machines, the console (paired with this games heavily ported source code) is a bad mix. of course a xbox is better than a ps2 for this game (unless you plan on doing besieged or campaign, lol) but a PC would still be the way to go.

why?

IF Square-Enix decides to drop ps2 support, i'm sure they will drop xbox360 support within time aswell, so why not buy a pc for 200 bucks and be done with it? not to mention, you can upgrade your pc's hardware but you can't upgrade your xbox's

[Zyeriis]

The only people i've seen that dislike Xbox 360 are either the following.

1. They've actually never played one.
2. They have no idea what they're talking about.
3. Sony fanboys.

Good thing for me I own all 3 this gen consoles + a gaming PC.

*EDIT*
I also have the Wireless 360 Controller Adapter for my PC and it works fine and i've had it for over a year.

I had mine for about 3 months, *poof* dead for no reason. *Looks online after trying every usb port* Tons of other aggravated people regarding it. Articles about it's faulty design. I don't think microsoft sells them anymore either because of it (i may be wrong here but I haven't seen one in a gamestop in a long time).

[slakyak]

Tried a PS2 via an adapter, PS3 via the cable and a wired xbox controller.

Xbox was the only one that plug and played, think it's an issue with win7 64 bit as the drivers for the Sony peripherals are unsigned so the OS thinks they are evil.

I'm a "Sony fanboy" but actually don't mind the xbox controller for this game.

Playing in my living room with a dualshock in my hands is still the holy grail for me though ;)

[Zyeriis]

Dear jeffanddane, nah. Xbox360 for this game would only be a slight sidestep off the Ps2. not to mention, you can spend 200 dollars (or less these days) on a desktop that could run this game perfectly fine.

@ Juri_Licious if you directed it towards me, i've own a xbox for the past 3+ years, its crap, face it, with a failure rate at around 30% of all the machines, the console (paired with this games heavily ported source code) is a bad mix. of course a xbox is better than a ps2 for this game (unless you plan on doing besieged or campaign, lol) but a PC would still be the way to go.

why?

IF Square-Enix decides to drop ps2 support, i'm sure they will drop xbox360 support within time aswell, so why not buy a pc for 200 bucks and be done with it? not to mention, you can upgrade your pc's hardware but you can't upgrade your xbox's

You can always mod it :D Just ask Ben Heck. (Google it)

[rog]

If it was pre-assembled, then yes. Those are for email.
sup? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320057&cm_re=bluetooth_dongle-_-33-320-057-_-Product)

1234567890

[Tsukino_Kaji]

sup? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320057&cm_re=bluetooth_dongle-_-33-320-057-_-Product)

1234567890Waste of a USE port. Do you realy mitigate that much tech?

[Zebra]

You can always mod it :D Just ask Ben Heck. (Google it)

once again, a PC is alot better, highly doubt SE would tell customers to mod their ps2/xbox360s so they would keep up their support of them :>

[rog]

Waste of a USE port.
Yeah, much better to just use the usb port to connect a wired controller. How do you waste a usb port anyway? Not really sure why you wouldn't have more than enough for whatever you need.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

once again, a PC is alot better, highly doubt SE would tell customers to mod their ps2/xbox360s so they would keep up their support of them :>I already suggested mod'ing the PS2s since you can put any size HDD you want in there.

[Zyeriis]

Yeah, much better to just use the usb port to connect a wired controller. How do you waste a usb port anyway? Not really sure why you wouldn't have more than enough for whatever you need.

I do believe you win the internet for making so much sense, that I'm going to fall asleep now. (this is not sarcasm)

[RabidSquirrel]

I've tried to get my girl friend on the PC for so long. Her PC is quite capable of running the game, and it's only like $5-10 on steam. But she refuses. Why? Because she wants to type with a controller. That's girls for ya. Oh well. I'll see if I can get her on the 360 when she moves in with me in the next couple months. >_>

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Yeah, much better to just use the usb port to connect a wired controller. How do you waste a usb port anyway? Not really sure why you wouldn't have more than enough for whatever you need.Have a hub, use them all. And besides you shouldn't be playing FFXI with a controler, it just makes you slow and sloppy.

[rog]

Because she wants to type with a controller.
...wat

You best be trollin'.

[rog]

Have a hub, use them all. And besides you shouldn't be playing FFXI with a controler, it just makes you slow and sloppy.
Get another hub?

Controllers are more than fast enough for 99.99% of situations, and can be more comfortable for some people.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Get another hub?

Controllers are more than fast enough for 99.99% of situations, and can be more comfortable for some people.Fast enough? Is that like DSL vs. Cable? You don't know it's slow because you never use anything else. lol
And on the connection topic, it's best not to leave things plugged in. It causes problems.

[Trangnai]

Dropping PS2 support due to ram limitations is pretty much required in order to keep adding content to the game at this point. Xbox 360 version is full of bugs, alot of these bugs arnt the cause of SEs lack of attempting to fix them, but Microsoft themselves and the way the 360 functions. If I'm right, M$ will not assist SE in fixing said bugs. As a PS2 player, i would prefer to play on a console, but with the issues of the 360 version i cannot. The same goes for my GF who uses my old PS2 while i use my PS3. After attmepting to fix her 360 several times only to have another bug freeze the game hence making it impossible to shut off properly and thus unable to run due to the bug that makes the disc unreadable, I've given up hope for playing the game on the 360. However I would be willing to upgrade if it were in the best interest of the game.

[rog]

Fast enough? Is that like DSL vs. Cable? You don't know it's slow because you never use anything else. lol
And on the connection topic, it's best not to leave things plugged in. It causes problems.
No. It's it's Ferrari vs hybrid, while sitting in bumper to bumper traffic. Yes the ferrari is faster, but it doesn't really matter, because you're not going anywhere anyway.

I used a keyboard for about 5 years, then started using a controller from time to time, because it was more comfortable. I probably used the controller about 75% of the time. While yes, obviously keyboard is a fair bit fastre, it really doesn't matter at all, because by the time you can actually do anything, a person using a controller will already have selected their next macro and be ready to use it, as soon as their previous action finishes.

[rog]

bug freeze the game hence making it impossible to shut off properly and thus unable to run due to the bug that makes the disc unreadable,Just play a music file, and it'll start right up. Don't ask me why, it just works.

[Mordanthos]

who in there right mind would play this game with a controller. Why are we comparing the ease of the game with its controls when they are exactly the same. When i play on my PS2, i use a logitech mini keyboard that actually came as a giant controller with a mini keyboard in the center of it, in which, idk where the big controller went, i just have the mini keyboard. Point is, if ur playing with controller to begin with, then u fail, plug a keyboard to ur PS2 or XBOX and throw that stupid controller away, its useless and nothing is faster than keyboard macros ALT+Number or CNTRL+number, BAM ALT-E equip screen open, BAM ALT-i inventory open, ALT-J right to my job abilities, u get the picture here, everything can be done instantaneously on the keyboard, and not 1-2 menus away.

And if you dont play with compact settings then you just really really fail, the most comfortable position is the WASD movement, standard to all people who are familiar with FPS games, and most games that utilize movement for PC games

[Alkalinehoe]

screw GAYBOX 360 so hard,
You sir, are the most clever man..... I have ever met.

[rog]

who in there right mind would play this game with a controller. Why are we comparing the ease of the game with its controls when they are exactly the same. When i play on my PS2, i use a logitech mini keyboard that actually came as a giant controller with a mini keyboard in the center of it, in which, idk where the big controller went, i just have the mini keyboard. Point is, if ur playing with controller to begin with, then u fail, plug a keyboard to ur PS2 or XBOX and throw that stupid controller away, its useless and nothing is faster than keyboard macros ALT+Number or CNTRL+number, BAM ALT-E equip screen open, BAM ALT-i inventory open, ALT-J right to my job abilities, u get the picture here, everything can be done instantaneously on the keyboard, and not 1-2 menus away.

And if you dont play with compact settings then you just really really fail, the most comfortable position is the WASD movement, standard to all people who are familiar with FPS games, and most games that utilize movement for PC gamesOf course it's faster, but pure speed means nothing while you wait 5 seconds for a spell to cast.

[Mordanthos]

oh i forgot, all melee casts spells too, darn, sorry. Actually the flow of battle isnt where most of the speed is required, but saving your friends is.

Being able to access a spell via alt or cntrl number command and push the corisponding F1-F6 to them is very very fast compared to a controller. Initiating combat is much faster when your mage friend got agroed and is getting his faced kicked in while you press the R1 target button to get to the mob thats hitting him only to press it too many times and have to cycle through everything again, where as a keyboard, BAM F8 auto target closest agroed mob, and BAM ALT-A to initiate combat, and u can save ur buddy. All in all in terms of battle speed, nah, keyboard makes no difference, but saving peoples butts, and initiating combat as quick as possible is where its all at.

Next time ur low lvl friend gets agro and u fail to target the mob killing him, u wish u had a keyboard!!!

[Vivik]

Next time ur low lvl friend gets agro and u fail to target the mob killing him, u wish u had a keyboard!!!

Uh...what?

[rog]

oh i forgot, all melee casts spells too, darn, sorry. Actually the flow of battle isnt where most of the speed is required, but saving your friends is.

Being able to access a spell via alt or cntrl number command and push the corisponding F1-F6 to them is very very fast compared to a controller. Initiating combat is much faster when your mage friend got agroed and is getting his faced kicked in while you press the R1 target button to get to the mob thats hitting him only to press it too many times and have to cycle through everything again, where as a keyboard, BAM F8 auto target closest agroed mob, and BAM ALT-A to initiate combat, and u can save ur buddy. All in all in terms of battle speed, nah, keyboard makes no difference, but saving peoples butts, and initiating combat as quick as possible is where its all at.

Next time ur low lvl friend gets agro and u fail to target the mob killing him, u wish u had a keyboard!!!
Fyi, it's possible to use a keyboard at the same time as a controller. It's not hard to reach behind the controller and tap f8, ctrl+a, etc.

[Runespider]

If they wanted to update the game they could of added a massive update which was ps3/xbox/pc only, people will upgrade if there is a good reason to.

Square decided people would not do this or it wasn't worth the effort then released another MMO and expected people to still buy a new platform to play it. Duh?

[PizzaTheHut]

The 360 is the worst version of the game. The bright text that irritates the eyes, that split second delay in controller input reaction, not to mention how terrible the 360 controller is for this game, the manual adjust you have to do in the Xbox settings for screen res. and the lag. PS2 doesn't suffer any of those.

If you play on 360 I can tell you, you're not playing to your full potential.

I own all. PS3 yes. Xbox can be retired for this game and it would be no loss.

[Harukusan]

The crappiest part about all this is that FFXI was released exclusively for PC. That's the way it was, that's the way it should always have been.

[rog]

The crappiest part about all this is that FFXI was released exclusively for PC. That's the way it was, that's the way it should always have been.
It was released on the ps2 in japan first actually.

[Zyeriis]

Everyone arguing over the control scheme of xbox 360 controller vs. keyboard is wrong :/ I use both, just a fluidly as the other. Stupid argument is stupid. If anything, using BOTH simultaneously is the fastest as you can que up the next macro in non-dire situations with the 360 controller and switch to the keyboard (if you really feel that's better) during dire situations. I absolutely hate ASWD controls, i'd much rather being using my left hand for macros and my right hand on the numpad to move.

[JagerForrester]

I'm going to at least say what I think of keyboard vs controller, because I've made the decision to buy a gamepad. I was originally a PS2 player, and with the PS2 limiting the game, and I sold my PS2 anyway, it was going to be more to of a hassle to play on the PS2 than it would on the PC or XBox. I don't own an XBox360, and I have a pretty good computer for my Photoshop skills. All I really needed to buy was the game, for 10 measly bucks.

Loaded up, started playing the game, and went with the keyboard as my controller. Maybe it was my comfort level of being on the PS2 version so long, but the keyboard controls suuucked. I even went to configure different keys to different controls, and was getting better at it, but it was still a pain. So I went to Best Buy and found the only gamepad sitting on the shelf for $19.99. Set up the controller, and I will seriously switch back and forth between the two controls due to some lag from the gamepad after I switch windows on the PC, but I mainly use the gamepad.

I restarted playing early Feb 2011. Every PS2 player should follow my lead. If you have a computer that can run FFXI, spend $30.00 to get the game played there. If you don't have a computer up to snuff, put some money aside and get one. You'll do yourself a favor by upgrading in more ways than just for FFXI.

[rog]

Everyone arguing over the control scheme of xbox 360 controller vs. keyboard is wrong :/ I use both, just a fluidly as the other. Stupid argument is stupid. If anything, using BOTH simultaneously is the fastest as you can que up the next macro in non-dire situations with the 360 controller and switch to the keyboard (if you really feel that's better) during dire situations. I absolutely hate ASWD controls, i'd much rather being using my left hand for macros and my right hand on the numpad to move.
Tht is definitely not the fastest. The fastest way is to use only a keyboard. Anyone arguing against this is and idiot. However using a mix of both will give you a good combination of comfort (the only reason to use a controller), and speed.

[JagerForrester]

The fastest way is to use only a keyboard. Anyone arguing against this is and idiot. However using a mix of both will give you a good combination of comfort (the only reason to use a controller), and speed.

Keyboard only is not the fastest "for me." I find I can play much faster if I use the best one depending on the situation.

[RAIST]

I never had any trouble stun claiming NM's with my BLM using a original PS2 controller via a $5 USB converter I found on clearance at Wally world...actually got GM's called on me a few times. And movement/camera angle adjustment is just more intuitive with the dual analogs.

The trick is having things set up right for you. Stun, Drain, Sleep, etc. are on the edges of my macro banks and spells go down in pirority so I am almost always just one macro away from the critical ones. Always worked for me. And worst case scenario, if I'm not able to claim fast enough, I could just reach 1 foot away to my trusty trackball to click-target and hit the CTRL/ALT combo to fire off macros.

But... ultimately, it comes down to personal taste I guess.

Raist

[Zumi]

SE is basically used up the majority of the space on the PS2 hard drive partition. They can't make it bigger just by the way the PS2 file system was designed. Its so full they have to download 1 file at a time install it delete the temp file. Soon there will be no room. Their choice is this, no new updates, shut down FFXI, or drop PS2 support and continue to have updates.

But with the majority of Japanese players still using PS2 I do not think they would do that.

[Odintius]

Really never had an issue saving a player from dieing with a controller or a keyboard sounds like a personal issue. I've moved to pc becuase ive been on both ps2 and xbox360 find it way better for pc and using a controller for it that me though. Alway's hearing the Ps2 limitation issue tell's me that they need to eventually drop support for ps2 to make way for improvement of the game.

[Sureal]

im really starting to think im losing brain cells reading these forums

[Zyeriis]

Tht is definitely not the fastest. The fastest way is to use only a keyboard. Anyone arguing against this is and idiot. However using a mix of both will give you a good combination of comfort (the only reason to use a controller), and speed.
Think before you post. It is the fastest on the grounds that you are still using the keyboard...like you said, "the fastest way". I completely fail to see where your problem with my post is. It is still the fastest, they both are...cause they're the same thing? My solution is infinitely better, because you can also use the comfort and macro stacking on a controller to boot, which you agreed with, confusing me further.

[Zyeriis]

im really starting to think im losing brain cells reading these forums

Welcome to the club, I forgot the name.

[RAIST]

Welcome to the club, I forgot the name.

so many duplicate threads (topic wise)...I forget what argument I've posted in which debate. People need to check to see if their topic isn't already going in a thread and just join that one instead of starting yet ANOTHER one....

Raist

[jeffanddane]

OK guys its a sad thing what happened to japan but thats not the discussion of this post . . . .and another thing who cares how many times you guys seen the post stop crying and just talk about it the more post that SE sees of the same topic the more likely they will do something about it so stfu lol.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

No. It's it's Ferrari vs hybrid, while sitting in bumper to bumper traffic. Yes the ferrari is faster, but it doesn't really matter, because you're not going anywhere anyway.I think it's more like a harley vs. the hybrid. The latter you're left sitting there while the former lets you go right through.

[jeffanddane]

lol tsukino XDDDDD

[Cupofnoodles]

FFXI DEV Please listen! SE needs to make a PS3 port! Put it on Playstation Network and slap a 5~7 dollar price tag on it. Also, do not use the PS2 version. Instead use the XBOX 360 version port but fix Besieged and Campaign. The freezing issue is "Impossible to gauge!" SE has already done this with FFXI for PC via Steam, why oh why can we not have one for PS3? Thanks ~~ Cupofnoodles of Asura

[jeffanddane]

I wish cup i read an interview with them in a game informer saying there is no way there will be a ps3 port because the producer or w/e said they would have to re do the whole code and graphics etc . . . . so it would take 1-2 years to get it out on ps3 . . . . . which is stuiped D:<

[rog]

I think it's more like a harley vs. the hybrid. The latter you're left sitting there while the former lets you go right through.
Oh, using a keyboard allows you to cast two spells/abilities/etc at once?

[Zyeriis]

ps3 port. Impossible. Half-Serious reason? ps2 limitations (had to say it).

[rog]

Keyboard only is not the fastest "for me." I find I can play much faster if I use the best one depending on the situation.
You could get used to it pretty quickly if you tried.

[jeffanddane]

Actually your wrong Zyeriis they even said making it for ps3 would be like making a whole new game . . . Not because ps2 limitation just because the time it would take to actually make it for ps3 . . . . 1-2 years lol

[Zyeriis]

You misunderstand. The code itself, must also work with the ps2. Thus is it part of the problem. My post was mostly a joke however.

[jeffanddane]

Actually still wrong the code working with the network or ps2 for instance is not the problem lol its the time it would take you should really pick up an game informer :P And they also said they are not sure they want to invest the time in FFXI since they are working on FFXIV. Which may i add i play FFXIV still needs alot of work XD.

[Zyeriis]

Sigh, still misunderstanding. I have no desire to explain it as it's pointless to do so at this point. Can't just laugh at the ps2 limitations joke? Game Informer? Already have this months. Can't say I'm particularly thrilled with Game (Mis)Informer through the past year though.

[Cupofnoodles]

I wish cup i read an interview with them in a game informer saying there is no way there will be a ps3 port because the producer or w/e said they would have to re do the whole code and graphics etc . . . . so it would take 1-2 years to get it out on ps3 . . . . . which is stuiped D:<

I do not know how to code but I cannot see being as difficult as everyone that is not an SE employee is making it out to be. Go on the Playstation Network and look, FF7, FF8, FF9, full PS1, full PS2 games are there. At least give is the PS2 version on PSN. Xbox 360 can do full 360 titles, why would SE try to advance their game by releasing it for PS3, even if it is only the PS2 port. That would probably solve a good bit of the problems. Also the only way I remember to get an HDD for PS2 anyway is to buy FFXI for PS2 if I am correct. Another solution is for a hard drive upgrade. That I do know about and that is not very hard to do at all.

[JagerForrester]

You could get used to it pretty quickly if you tried.

Maybe it was my comfort level of being on the PS2 version so long, but the keyboard controls suuucked. I even went to configure different keys to different controls, and was getting better at it, but it was still a pain.

Bet you're just going to tell me I should have tried harder. Too late!
Jager hugs his controller.
Maaaai... preeeeecious....

[jeffanddane]

Jager . . . . . /puts hand on shoulder . . . . you shouldve tried harder . .. . .

[rog]

Bet you're just going to tell me I should have tried harder. Too late!
Jager hugs his controller.
Maaaai... preeeeecious....
Of course i am, because if you did, you would have no trouble with it. It isn't hard to get used to.

[KorPoni]

who in there right mind would play this game with a controller. Why are we comparing the ease of the game with its controls when they are exactly the same. When i play on my PS2, i use a logitech mini keyboard that actually came as a giant controller with a mini keyboard in the center of it, in which, idk where the big controller went, i just have the mini keyboard. Point is, if ur playing with controller to begin with, then u fail, plug a keyboard to ur PS2 or XBOX and throw that stupid controller away, its useless and nothing is faster than keyboard macros ALT+Number or CNTRL+number, BAM ALT-E equip screen open, BAM ALT-i inventory open, ALT-J right to my job abilities, u get the picture here, everything can be done instantaneously on the keyboard, and not 1-2 menus away.

And if you dont play with compact settings then you just really really fail, the most comfortable position is the WASD movement, standard to all people who are familiar with FPS games, and most games that utilize movement for PC games

Deciding what is most comfortable for you is what is most comfortable for everyone isn't very bright. If I fail in your mind for playing with controller, more power to you I guess. Won't make me drone off to a compact keyboard just cuz u say so.

[Arconis]

I play on both PS2 and PC and own PS3 you couldn't give me a xbox I will never own that crap of a consol again went threw 3 of them in under 2 years never again. FFXI runs really crappy on xbox too. There are still alot of people that play just on PS2

[Valaris]

they should just make another boxed expansion for ps2 and include another HDD in the box thats way bigger than the HDD thats being used by ps2 today. easy fix it gets a new expansion out there and even more money for square-enix :)

[Valaris]

they should just make another boxed expansion for ps2 and include another HDD in the box thats way bigger than the HDD thats being used by ps2 today. easy fix it gets a new expansion out there and even more money for square-enix :)

oh i forgot to add the expansion should have all previous expansions in it as well since it will have to be a full reinstall and some people might have lost their disks over the last few years

[hiko]

asking people playing on ps2 to (buy and) play on box is stupid.

Most of em already have a PC, FFXI can turn on "small" PC,

so the good advice is

PLEASE PS2 USERS PLAY ON PC!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

asking people playing on ps2 to (buy and) play on box is stupid.

Most of em already have a PC, FFXI can turn on "small" PC,

so the good advice is

PLEASE PS2 USERS PLAY ON PC!Barring the lack of a disk drive(And there are externals and what not.), net books are actualy up to par with playing FFXI.

[Cupofnoodles]

Most of em already have a PC, FFXI can turn on "small" PC,!

FFXI will not play on most netbooks, reason being is most netbook's graphics card are the intel internal graphics and FFXI does not recognize it even though intel internal graphics card has the capacity to run FFXI

[Mordanthos]

Barring the lack of a disk drive(And there are externals and what not.), net books are actualy up to par with playing FFXI.


The biggest problem when trying to choose a PC or notebook to play this game with, is it MUST NOT have an integrated graphics chip. The game will not run with an integrated chip, you all say oh hey guys, its so easy and cheap to get a 200 dollar computer for this game, but the problem is it refuses to run with integrated chip, and if ur planning to buy a really really cheap computer, its going to have an integrated chip and not an NVIDEA or ATI card in it. Just be careful and pay attention to the cards in them.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

FFXI will not play on most netbooks, reason being is most netbook's graphics card are the intel internal graphics and FFXI does not recognize it even though intel internal graphics card has the capacity to run FFXIThere's patches for that, I've whitnessed them in action.

[Cupofnoodles]

There's patches for that, I've whitnessed them in action.

where cause i would love it, ones that are legit

[Tsukino_Kaji]

where cause i would love it, ones that are legitThey don't violate the ToS of FFXI as they do not alter the game peramiters. What they do is buffer your graphics card allowing your computer to relay a false signal.

[Mordanthos]

where cause i would love it, ones that are legit

ID love to know too, cuz id get a cheapo computer myself. The main problems with it is because integrated chips just dont have the Shaders capability that the good name brand cards do. At least thats my understanding. And suppose there was a way to make it work, and i have seen something about getting it to work on google or somethin,but does the incapability of a shader from the integrated card, hinder the games performance.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I'm sure they're easy enough to find with a little searching. Happy hunting.

[Mordanthos]

I'm sure they're easy enough to find with a little searching. Happy hunting.

Your knowledge should be all the info we need. If it exists and its not ILLEGAL, then why are you so concerned with speaking the name of it, or where to go to get it.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Your knowledge should be all the info we need. If it exists and its not ILLEGAL, then why are you so concerned with speaking the name of it, or where to go to get it.Because I have a computer that you would idolize as your new god and was not the one using them. So again, happy hunting. ^^

[Mordanthos]

Because I have a computer that you would idolize as your new god and was not the one using them. So again, happy hunting. ^^

i have a super computer, and who cares whos computer is super duper can bake a cake and serve me beer, im looking to get a backup PC just to play the game so me and my wife can stop fighting over it when we want to play something. Your post has shown a lot of attitude and a large sense of immaturity, showing off or claiming you have a PC that is uber, unfortunately it doesnt really matter. So its pretty obvious you "dont" know if these updates exist then and your just flopping your mouth around acting like you know a lot.

[Mordanthos]

Lemme bring a few Games over and just see how "good" that PC is, i Promise you wont be able to run 3 or 4 of them without taking it down to low.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

i have a super computer, and who cares whos computer is super duper can bake a cake and serve me beer, im looking to get a backup PC just to play the game so me and my wife can stop fighting over it when we want to play something. Your post has shown a lot of attitude and a large sense of immaturity, showing off or claiming you have a PC that is uber, unfortunately it doesnt really matter. So its pretty obvious you "dont" know if these updates exist then and your just flopping your mouth around acting like you know a lot.Again, I do know they exist, as I have seen them implemented. But regardless, I was not the individual. So no, I cannot tell you more. So for a third time, happy hunting.

[Volkai]

Problems with the "PS2 >>> X360" 'solution'
1) Cost: XBox 360 costs some US$300.
2) Connection: XBox does not support dial-up internet. PS2 does. This matters because there are *gasp!* still some locations where neither DSL nor cable internet is available.

[Boldheart]

I am a ps2 and ps3 person, i will never play or own an crapbox!

LOL grow up already... nothing is wrong w/ 360 now. Maybe over 3 years ago you could say this but they are fixed now. I have owned Ps2, Ps3, and 360. Ps3 and 360 all work the same so dont become a fanboy they are both good to have.

[Anethia]

The reason SE won't drop ps2 support is because the second largest player base in Japan is on the ps2 platform. The Xbox 360 has the smallest player base in Japan. To just out right drop support would alienate atleast 40-50% of the Japanese player base, and probably 30% of the world wide player base. These are far from solid numbers, more or less just a loose guess. And rebuilding the game from the ground up to make it run on ps3 just isn't financially feasible. Atleast not since they spent all that money trying to make 14.

As much as I would like to see the game break the bonds imposed by the ps2, unfortunately from SE's perspective they may see that there is too much to lose for too little gain. Especially since current subscribers would pretty munch demand free upgrades for being forced into making the switch or quit entirely rather than buying new copies of the game. So really, the cost would out weigh the benefit.

I have all three current versions of the game so a loss of ps2 support would be of minimal concern to me, all my comments are business based with no console bias involved. I am also a proud ps3 owner.

[Ryoushin]

I myself have 2x 360's and 1 laptop and a desktop. I dual box my wife and I with my xbox, I play my other account on pc while she lays up in bed playing her account on her xbox. Though Id prefer to be lazy some days to and not have to sit in front of a desk, but when your gonna PL your own characters, left trigger right trigger and (A) is just simple enough when locked on /follow or macro for /ma "Cure" "Character name" ... its what i did for my wife and I that way it eliminates the d-pad toggle, especially in a party, since she is working on WAR and im the back up WAR. The only problem ive ever had with the original 360, since I own a 360-slim now, is my first 360 while in whitegate participating in ... oh whats it called when the mobs rush whitegate ... memory fart... anyway during that my xbox froze and I had to restart it. That only happened once, and my cousin who use to play on his ps2... well i could make a list.. but im sure its all been said. I've heard it enough from him, so in a way i understand the ps2 issues having heard them from family. Its really a matter of player preference. I prefer the 360 over pc, does that stop me from playing on pc.. no.. does hinder a bit between using the controller over a keyboard when it comes down to using the macros. Kind of slight delay between pressing CTRL or ALT on keyboard before the macro window shows up, but other then that im fine with using either system. Thats just my .02.