BST nerf please

[Natenn]

Kinda unfair BST pets are mindlessly overpowered nowadays don't you agree? I mean you just be naked sit back and spam reward and solo grand wyrms w/o having to put effort into learning the job or actually spend time gearing it. Not saying make it to where BST use to be (useless at 75 just about) but you shouldn't be able to solo with a job 95% of the player base leeched up via FC partys and not put any time into learning or gearing it. Just a thought, its pretty disheartening seeing poorly geared or naked beastmasters being able to solo things like vrtra which is glitched as is since the undead vrtra summons will not attack the pets. DEVs should make it so BSTs have to work on learning the job and have to put time into gearing it.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Wah! BST can kill Easy Prey really well, Wah!

They'll be Over Powered when they can kill content higher than level 75, bar Abyssea, easily.

[fernando]

wow hateing on bst more? you realy need to get a life bst are solo players so get over it.

[Komori]

This is a broken record. It's been said time and time again that the pets have to be overpowered because it's a solo job. Do you make sure to invite a BST for all of your endgame events?

Are you always hard-pressed to ask one to join your Legion, your Voidwatch, your Neo-Nyzul and anything else? Even in some events where they dominate; the pets can handle alot but are not invincible if things go wrong.

[Camiie]

You already leveled it to 99. If it's so overpowered get off your <Rear> and take advantage of it. Wouldn't that be the smart thing to do as opposed to asking for nerfs?

[Demon6324236]

You already leveled it to 99. If it's so overpowered get off your <Rear> and take advantage of it. Wouldn't that be the smart thing to do as opposed to asking for nerfs?

I don't like BST. I leveled it solo to 27 years back, I didn't like it. I soloed it to 40 a few months back, still didn't like it so I leached it. I don't like BST in the 90s, its lv96 for that reason and probably isn't going to 99 till I finish Maat's cap. Only thing I think needs nerfed for BST is its abilities in Dyna, for instance, 3~5 mobs should always = death, not = easy.

[Camiie]

I don't like BST. I leveled it solo to 27 years back, I didn't like it.

There are many very powerful jobs I don't or wouldn't enjoy, but I'm not complaining about their power.


I soloed it to 40 a few months back, still didn't like it so I leached it. I don't like BST in the 90s, its lv96 for that reason and probably isn't going to 99 till I finish Maat's cap. Only thing I think needs nerfed for BST is its abilities in Dyna, for instance, 3~5 mobs should always = death, not = easy.

While I have no illusions that I'm uber at it, I've put quite a bit of work into my BST. I've built decent Pet Defense, Call Beast, Reward, WS, and TP sets and maintain a good supply of various pets and healing items. I've merited it well including Axe Skill and Ruinator. So tell me, why should I suffer a nerf? Why should my effort be negated? Because I can solo a group of mobs? Well whoop de do. It's not like we're the only ones who can. Due to my own carelessness I've had to deal with groups of mobs on other jobs as well and come out alive, and there are people out there who can do that better than me.

Look if you feel like your favorite job is somehow inadequate then ask for some sort of buff. I'll be right there with you. You want to take away something of mine just to make yourself feel better? Well screw you, buddy.

[Demon6324236]

I have been asking for buffs to RDM for awhile, as have many people... yeah, no luck yet, sorry. In any case my main thing with BST comes from people who play it normally tend to be assholes so far as Dynamis goes which admittedly is about the only place I truly encounter them, as I said, only place I would ask them to be nerfed. Please don't think my statement about BST goes anywhere outside of Dyna, because thats the only place I really care at all.

The main reason for my previous post was because of the reason you said it was at 99, and they should use it. Just because you have it to 99 doesn't mean you like it, have it geared, or even enjoy it in the least bit. I have to level BST and SMN for the best CDC head for RDM, Maat's Cap, I don't like the jobs, and they would be level 1 probably, but I have not alot of choices here so I leveled it, just doesn't mean I will actually play it.

[Camiie]

I have been asking for buffs to RDM for awhile, as have many people... yeah, no luck yet, sorry. In any case my main thing with BST comes from people who play it normally tend to be assholes so far as Dynamis goes which admittedly is about the only place I truly encounter them, as I said, only place I would ask them to be nerfed. Please don't think my statement about BST goes anywhere outside of Dyna, because thats the only place I really care at all.

How would this be accomplished where it only affects Dynamis and only affects BSTs? Would you put some sort of Pathos in Dynamis that only affects pets? Of course then you ensnare any SMN, PUP, or DRG that decides to enter. Would you buff the enemies? Well then that's going to hurt everyone. Do you change the way procs work so that yellow mobs can't be proc'd or multiple mobs can't be proc'd?

[Demon6324236]

How would this be accomplished where it only affects Dynamis and only affects BSTs? Would you put some sort of Pathos in Dynamis that only affects pets? Of course then you ensnare any SMN, PUP, or DRG that decides to enter. Would you buff the enemies? Well then that's going to hurt everyone. Do you change the way procs work so that yellow mobs can't be proc'd or multiple mobs can't be proc'd?

Hmm~... not sure exactly, honestly a reduction in pet HP while in Dyna or making mobs focus on the player rather than the pet when not being attacked would probably do it. BST imo is the overpowered pet job and probably always will be, of them all its the easiest job there is. The fact it rules Dynamis is actually because of this exact reason. BST takes no skilling up for your pet to be effective(SMN/PUP/DRG), takes no gear to give them high stats(SMN/PUP), but either way, some nerf in Dyna would be nice, what to do exactly idk.

[Natenn]

My point was naked bsts can do much w/o really doing anything

[Komori]

But nerfing BSTs does more than just hurt the naked BSTs it hurts those who have it as their mains.

[Demon6324236]

But nerfing BSTs does more than just hurt the naked BSTs it hurts those who have it as their mains.

Very true, probably about the only way to do it right is to make masters stronger, make pets weaker.

[Komori]

But then that ruins the basic lore of the job using beasts to help you fight. And seeing as it's really only a jug only job now and it can cost serious money for the good ones.

It will ruin yet more crafters because no one will want to pay as much for weaker pets.

[fernando]

Bst just got a big nerf in the form of thf being taken away from the only thf pets we have,and another thing is why the hell even say nerf on these pages, dont give SE ideas, you never know what way they will go with it.another thing i play beast, 99 thank you, and i die at times, and in dynamis pull 3 kindred see how long you live.

[Demon6324236]

Ok... I honestly was going to leave this alone but 1 little thing that came up I see...


Bst just got a big nerf in the form of thf being taken away from the only thf pets we have,and another thing is why the hell even say nerf on these pages, dont give SE ideas, you never know what way they will go with it.another thing i play beast, 99 thank you, and i die at times, and in dynamis pull 3 kindred see how long you live.

Treasure Hunter nerfing did what? Last I knew it took it down to 1, it did not "take away" your Treasure Hunter, also about the only difference made was it made AC prices go up. Other than that it kept BSTs as rulers of Dynamis, kept them as a job that nude can solo alot of NMs hard for almost any other job, kept them basically the same, just with lower drop rates.

[fernando]

ok to put it another way, no thank you to nerfs, that is all.

[FrankReynolds]

So you want them to nerf beast for alllllllllll the players accross allllll the servers just so you can make more money off currency? Brilliant.

[Natenn]

Oh i dont farm dynamis for currency, i just want bsts to have to some effort into the job. Not FC leech it to 99 get falcor jugs and a ton of bicuits and be all "look at me i endgame, i can have an OP AI fight another AI and reward spam w/o doing any AF or trials for Pet buffs" because sooner or later theres gonna be hoards of RMT BSTs screwing it up for everyone since BSTs takes no skill or real effort to play now.

[Komori]

Grow a pair and stop whining, I've never seen a BST naked anyway.

Perle at the very least; Twilight for half-assers. And then some BSTs that actually care have Ferine and at least Reward/WS set.

[Lojinxx]

Oh i dont farm dynamis for currency, i just want bsts to have to some effort into the job.

Ok let me get this straight. SE gives us a kickass revamp on BST after all the shitty years it had; you don\\'t do dyna and aren\\'t negatively affected by this powerful solo job(it\\'s supposed to be) but instead of playing the game or doing something to better your own jobs you\\'re on this forum asking for a nerf in the name of making it harder for all of us to achieve the power bst is capable of? maybe scholars should have to pass really hard math tests before they can use all their strategems and White mages should have to fax phd\\'s to SE before they get cure 6 too lol. Everyone gets their own bread and butter skillsets. Bst has the ability to solo better and happens to shine most in dyna, but it\\'s not a top tier dd or a good support job. Those are its\\' tradeoffs for its great solo abilities and the main reason why they aren\\'t nearly as desired in hard endgame situations.

[Camiie]

Oh i dont farm dynamis for currency, i just want bsts to have to some effort into the job. Not FC leech it to 99 get falcor jugs and a ton of bicuits and be all "look at me i endgame, i can have an OP AI fight another AI and reward spam w/o doing any AF or trials for Pet buffs" because sooner or later theres gonna be hoards of RMT BSTs screwing it up for everyone since BSTs takes no skill or real effort to play now.


And how do you propose this be done? Call Beast skill? Pet Maneuvers? Pet training a la Digimon? Do you want BST to become a carbon copy of Dragoon? Have you even thought about it at all, or did you just get mad and start asking for nerfs? Or is this just another troll?

[Natenn]

Make reward recast longer! so if you got ped pdt?eva axes it wont really affect dyna bsts

[Camiie]

Make reward recast longer! so if you got ped pdt?eva axes it wont really affect dyna bsts

http://www.ffxiah.com/item/5411/dawn-mulsum

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Make reward recast longer! so if you got ped pdt?eva axes it wont really affect dyna bsts

Because it's not too long already.

[Javarr]

BST can keep their attack power and all that good jazz. As far as I'm concerned, they have TH back on Dipper. Just make it to where the pet behaves similar to the Wyvern AI. AKA: If the master attacks something else, the pet auto assists the master. That would put an end to this "I'm gonna claim 3-4+ mobs in dyna. That and if some BSTs would just have some common decency when there is a group waiting in Aby for a time spawn they they will rip apart in like 5-10 mins (if that, lol), but the BST engages the target and takes 20-25 mins (seen it happen several times) and even refuses assistance when the group is willing to give them the drops just to get them out of the way.

That my only tiffs with BST really. Change these and I'd be willing to bet most of the BST flames will go away.

Just my 2 gil.

[Demon6324236]

BST can keep their attack power and all that good jazz. As far as I'm concerned, they have TH back on Dipper. Just make it to where the pet behaves similar to the Wyvern AI. AKA: If the master attacks something else, the pet auto assists the master. That would put an end to this "I'm gonna claim 3-4+ mobs in dyna. That and if some BSTs would just have some common decency when there is a group waiting in Aby for a time spawn they they will rip apart in like 5-10 mins (if that, lol), but the BST engages the target and takes 20-25 mins (seen it happen several times) and even refuses assistance when the group is willing to give them the drops just to get them out of the way.

That my only tiffs with BST really. Change these and I'd be willing to bet most of the BST flames will go away.

Just my 2 gil.

Yep, would shut me up.

[Luvbunny]

Make reward recast longer! so if you got ped pdt?eva axes it wont really affect dyna bsts

Just shut up, you have no idea about the pet jobs, clearly an idiot and why don't you play the actual game. You want to talk about OVER POWERED? Ok, here are some thoughts for you, maybe your brain will start working and see things in different light. White Mage, one of the PERFECT healer jobs in the game, can be considered OVERPOWERED, but no one complaint about this job which is in every way now is a triple A class when it comes to healer. Scholar, which has one of the MOST OVERPOWERED two hours, is also almost come close to perfect, and if you dare to complaint about Embrava then you are an idiot since it takes a lot of gearing for it to be good. Summoner, which is pretty much the job that is the bastard child of pet jobs, is also just as good as Beastmaster if not more on some occasion, AND A WHOLE LOT cheaper as well able to solo - trio TONS of similar contents to Beastmaster. Dancer is PERFECT soloer, a good one is nearly unbeatable as well as a good dyna farm. Blue Mage is just a very very overpowered mele mage, geared right it puts Beastmaster in shame as well as a good rival when it comes to dyna farm. Ninja is finally almost perfect in every way as evasion tank. Puppetmaster got a very nice update and let me tell you one thing, talk about almost rivaling beast master when it come to solo dyna!! And lastly, talk about forgetting the MOST PERFECT job pre abyssea and ruled the endgame at 75, is Red Mage, which sadly now a shadow of its former self but by all means not a complete trash either if you really know how to play it. These are just example of other jobs that shine brighter than Beastmaster in every way and let's not forget Samurai, Monk, and Warrior which are some of the most over powered damage dealer out there bar none that puts beast in shame.

So why don't you start a thread of complaining about EVERY SINGLE jobs I listed above since trust me, Beastmaster are nothing compared to those jobs which rule endgame, abysea, and pretty much other contents just as good as beast master could ever hope for.

[Luvbunny]

And how do you propose this be done? Call Beast skill? Pet Maneuvers? Pet training a la Digimon? Do you want BST to become a carbon copy of Dragoon? Have you even thought about it at all, or did you just get mad and start asking for nerfs? Or is this just another troll?

He is a troll, butt hurt jealous cuz yeah as beastmaster we can run around naked sending pet to kill for us while we afk and take a very long dump while his pink perle geared trash jobs with zero skill run around complaining in Port Jeuno cuz no one is helping him doing anything. And then again, he is Paladin, which is like one of the perfect tank built, maybe we should complaint about his job lol.

[Demon6324236]

Just shut up, you have no idea about the pet jobs, clearly an idiot and why don't you play the actual game. You want to talk about OVER POWERED? Ok, here are some thoughts for you, maybe your brain will start working and see things in different light. White Mage, one of the PERFECT healer jobs in the game, can be considered OVERPOWERED, but no one complaint about this job which is in every way now is a triple A class when it comes to healer. Scholar, which has one of the MOST OVERPOWERED two hours, is also almost come close to perfect, and if you dare to complaint about Embrava then you are an idiot since it takes a lot of gearing for it to be good. Summoner, which is pretty much the job that is the bastard child of pet jobs, is also just as good as Beastmaster if not more on some occasion, AND A WHOLE LOT cheaper as well able to solo - trio TONS of similar contents to Beastmaster. Dancer is PERFECT soloer, a good one is nearly unbeatable as well as a good dyna farm. Blue Mage is just a very very overpowered mele mage, geared right it puts Beastmaster in shame as well as a good rival when it comes to dyna farm. Ninja is finally almost perfect in every way as evasion tank. Puppetmaster got a very nice update and let me tell you one thing, talk about almost rivaling beast master when it come to solo dyna!! And lastly, talk about forgetting the MOST PERFECT job pre abyssea and ruled the endgame at 75, is Red Mage, which sadly now a shadow of its former self but by all means not a complete trash either if you really know how to play it. These are just example of other jobs that shine brighter than Beastmaster in every way and let's not forget Samurai, Monk, and Warrior which are some of the most over powered damage dealer out there bar none that puts beast in shame.

So why don't you start a thread of complaining about EVERY SINGLE jobs I listed above since trust me, Beastmaster are nothing compared to those jobs which rule endgame, abysea, and pretty much other contents just as good as beast master could ever hope for.
I mean you just be naked sit back and spam reward and solo grand wyrms w/o having to put effort into learning the job or actually spend time gearing it.
i just want bsts to have to some effort into the job. Not FC leech it to 99 get falcor jugs and a ton of bicuits and be all "look at me i endgame, i can have an OP AI fight another AI and reward spam w/o doing any AF or trials for Pet buffsNow, under the conditions of the above underlined statements, can any job perform nearly as well as a BST? No.

Take every job from 1~99 without ever even so much as hitting a mob. Then use each job, and try to solo the Behemoth BCNM with only 5 items off the AH. WAR, MNK, WHM, BLM, RDM, THF, PLD, DRK, BRD, RNG, SAM, NIN, DRG, SMN, BLU, COR, PUP, DNC, and SCH. None will stand a single chance against this Behemoth with only 5 items from the AH.

However, the 1 job missing, BST, it can do it without a problem. You simply pop a pet, get some treats, and go to war. The pet is sent in from the start, while the master pulls back, and on rare occasion, the master runs into the fight to dispense a treat. Wait 10~15 minutes, and you can return to a treasure chest laying in the middle of the area, waiting for you to open it.

[Demon6324236]

He is a troll, butt hurt jealous cuz yeah as beastmaster we can run around naked sending pet to kill for us while we afk and take a very long dump while his pink perle geared trash jobs with zero skill run around complaining in Port Jeuno cuz no one is helping him doing anything. And then again, he is Paladin, which is like one of the perfect tank built, maybe we should complaint about his job lol.

Except BST pets with their naked masters are able to live just as well as a decent geared PLD, except they deal incredibly higher damage, have more eva, Treasure Hunter, and if they die they can be brought back by the master using another jug, where as without Twilight the PLD is down and dead with no return.

[Luvbunny]

If you are paladin and you are dead... where is the skills in that?? As for your comparison, Summoner avatar is just as close to beast master in this regard. Some jobs are more SOLO friendly, it is called OPTIONS, because some people would prefer to log and play within minutes and not having to need to find others to do anything in the game, get it??? Beastmasters finally get the updates they deserved and now is a shining example of SOLO jobs with PETS who actually REALLY good pets and if you gear it right they become even BETTER pets. So stop butthurt jealous over Beastmasters, level the job if you are envious or don't go near it if you don't like the jobs, since Thief is pretty much the king of Dyna farming when it comes to currencies drop.

[ProfessorD]

Ok so you want to nerf bst. To me then you must also nerf the fc parties, and blu with there thunderbolt attack. If you cant stand the bunny of doom then dont go around petting them.

[Luvbunny]

Now, under the conditions of the above underlined statements, can any job perform nearly as well as a BST? No.

Take every job from 1~99 without ever even so much as hitting a mob. Then use each job, and try to solo the Behemoth BCNM with only 5 items off the AH. WAR, MNK, WHM, BLM, RDM, THF, PLD, DRK, BRD, RNG, SAM, NIN, DRG, SMN, BLU, COR, PUP, DNC, and SCH. None will stand a single chance against this Behemoth with only 5 items from the AH.

However, the 1 job missing, BST, it can do it without a problem. You simply pop a pet, get some treats, and go to war. The pet is sent in from the start, while the master pulls back, and on rare occasion, the master runs into the fight to dispense a treat. Wait 10~15 minutes, and you can return to a treasure chest laying in the middle of the area, waiting for you to open it.

Hello, Summoner would love to call and say hi, yeah I can solo this with tons of Dawn Mulsum and Fenrir :) thank you very much and what is so nice about this? Well apart from the NO REWARD timers AT ALL, my avatar is better and survive LONGER while I go spam macro for Dawn Mulsum. It is not the most efficient job for this for sure, but it can if you really want to brag about it - and have a tons of gils to spare and inventory. Granted Beastmaster rule this particular one, but they cannot compare to Summoner for the Wyrm, and they WILL NOT be able to win the Turtle one, no matter how great your beast master is, sorry no can do! Summoners can though. So of all the 3 BCNMS - Summoner actually can win them more, but will have more harder time at Behemoth one.

[Luvbunny]

Ok so you want to nerf bst. To me then you must also nerf the fc parties, and blu with there thunderbolt attack. If you cant stand the bunny of doom then dont go around petting them.

LOL agreed with you, there are so many jobs with different OVER POWERED abilities at different type of the game play. Monk and Warrior used to be OMG so GODLY that Beastmaster can only dream of... Blu and War are way overpowered when it comes to AOE attack and farming in Abysea, pair them with a good White Mage and they are invincible, plus you spend NO DIME on jug pets or pet foods or anything, just temp items. It's great that you have so many options with so many different jobs for different occasion. There is actual balance and no job is PERFECT for every single occasion, well except if you are White Mage which is pretty much untouchable when it comes to healing. Or if you are Scholar, which pretty much NEEDED for its super powered two hours that last 12.5 mnts!!! Love all the jobs in the game, beast, whm, and sch included.

[deces]

Don't worry, with tanaka getting shit canned this video will explain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jn8K8EA7-Q

[Luvbunny]

And just FYI OP..... a nearly naked scholar except for AF3+2 hand can handle all the healing in worm party, frog party or whatever party in abysea. Just use ISL, embrava the WHOLE alliance, rapture + cure 4 as needed, perpetuance + ascension + Regen 5, repeat every 12 mnts or so - or probably as often as you find ISL chest. No white mage needed, just 1 Scholar who knows how to play the job. That said scholar can also nuke if needed, with temp items galore, mp should not be a problem. Tabula Rasa also last 3 mnts, and Kaustra is just well you know, super deadly on a group of mobs!! Talk about over powered :) yay for Scholar!! Need moar POWAH!!!

[Demon6324236]

Summoners relys on a skill called... Summoning Skill. Without this skill Avatars are very weak, as this skill goes higher the Avatars become more powerful, and thus strong. Gear enhances this further. BST has no such skill, has no such need for gear, and has no such limitation without skill. Also SMN must do quests for the majority of its Avatars, where as BST simply walks over to a shop to buy its best friend Falcor.


Take every job from 1~99 without ever even so much as hitting a mob.

Apparently I didn't make my point clear, instead of this let me say it a different way, all jobs with 0 skill in anything, meaning 0 summoning skill as well.

0 Summoning skill SMN with Carby alone, naked, with 4 Dawns, fighting any lv75+ NM.
BST with a single Falcor & 4 treats for reward, fighting the same NM as the SMN.

SMN will get smashed, BST will have a good shot to win.

BST is the only job in the game that from start to end must do nothing to actually fight somewhat well by lv99 and be able to solo NMs or high level mobs naked if they so choose...

[Luvbunny]

BST is the only job in the game that from start to end must do nothing to actually fight somewhat well by lv99 and be able to solo NMs or high level mobs naked if they so choose...

So? is there anything wrong with that? It's not that hard to get beast master to 99. The job is called, let me repeat it again, BEAST MASTER, emphasize on beast and master, which pretty much a job that need a pet and lots of pet food, and -pet pdt gears if you don't want to spend tons of pet food money. It's for people who prefer have their pets do all the work for them. Not everybody likes this jobs or want to main it or even play it, but hey it is there for you to play it if soloing and not touching the mob is your play style. No difference than pre 99, when you need Charm gears and rotate AS MANY charmed pet as you possible can without having to go near the mob. We just have a stronger jug pets now.

[Luvbunny]

0 Summoning skill SMN with Carby alone, naked, with 4 Dawns, fighting any lv75+ NM. BST with a single Falcor & 4 treats for reward, fighting the same NM as the SMN. SMN will get smashed, BST will have a good shot to win.


Summon magic affect your avatar buff duration and effectiveness and physical and magical BP Rage Accuracy, it does not mean at 0 summon magic my Garuda will be gimped HP Wise, it just means Predator Claw have a greater chance to miss all it's 3 hits. And Grand Fall will not do its potential damage. It will make a difference for sure, but I won't have avatar with half hp. Of the 3 Monk Black Belts BCNMs, Beastmaster shine in the Behemoth one, they do ok on the Wyrm one, not great at all, and they are pretty much useless trying to solo the third one with Turtle, don't care what pets you gonna use, not gonna win at all.

[Demon6324236]

So? is there anything wrong with that?

Yes, there is something very wrong with any job which needs no gear or skills to perform well.

[Luvbunny]

Yes, there is something very wrong with any job which needs no gear or skills to perform well.

Well some people who rather not do much effort in playing this game, for them, there is Beastmaster job to play if they choose to not engage, be forever gimped, or lazy. THIS APPLY to pretty much ALL JOBS in the game, don't single out just Beastmaster. OPTIONS is great, not everyone love to not engage and spam reward food, tons of other rather fight directly and engage the mob. There are 4 pet based jobs with various degree of play style for everyone out there who wants to have pet fighting alongside them. Yes beast master offer easy way out options, and rated the easiest compare to the other three pet based jobs with Pup being the most difficult and time consuming, Summoner second and Dragoon third. Options is great for this game. Not being pigeon hole on one role is good. Being able to solo hard bcnm with just a jug pet and pet food, OMG PRICELESS!!!!!

[Demon6324236]

Then your idea of balance greatly differs from mine. To me any job you play no matter what should take effort and skill to actually be good, there should be no easy handout job for lazy people to play so they can get things easy. It has nothing to do with thinking someone is pro or awesome, simply balance, the job can do well where other jobs would be complete losers, in a way that is both lazy and unfair. BST pets have s high amount of HP compared to players, good damage, good eva, their defensive stats with their HP make them very powerful alone. The master should simply be stronger, and the pet be made weaker to accommodate it, the pet should not be able to do things alone while a master watches and waits.

[Rezeak]

O crap a pet that can rely on it's pet to kill things.... nerf it.

Honestly BST is great for OLD content but sux at newer content (Nyzle v2, Legion, Odin V2, VW) so why take it away from it.

[Demon6324236]

O crap a pet that can rely on it's pet to kill things.... nerf it.

Honestly BST is great for OLD content but sux at newer content (Nyzle v2, Legion, Odin V2, VW) so why take it away from it.

Reasons were explained in my last few posts. Honestly BST would be somewhat ok as a DD in VW I'm sure if they made the Master stronger as I suggest. The merit Axe WS is STR based, seems to do some nice damage, with enhanced masters that would be even stronger. It wouldn't be a Heavy DD but it could some good damage and supply an extra proc as well. Now that they fixed the hate problems for BST it wouldn't be problematic for that reason either.

As for NNI, thats because only Heavy DDs, SCH, and perhaps BLU, are good for it, everything else basically gets ignored. Legion I have yet to really try so I wouldn't know, and Odin again, I haven't tried, so I wouldn't know.

[Luvbunny]

The master should simply be stronger, and the pet be made weaker to accommodate it, the pet should not be able to do things alone while a master watches and waits.

Hello, there is such job already, it is called Dragoon!!! It is exactly like you describe it, and if you want more control, Puppetmaster to a degree. What is it that you do not understand about beast master job? Or you are too dense to get that beast master use jug pets to tank and deal damage, end of story, get with the program.

[Natenn]

Well some people who rather not do much effort in playing this game, for them, there is Beastmaster job to play if they choose to not engage, be forever gimped, or lazy. THIS APPLY to pretty much ALL JOBS in the game, don't single out just Beastmaster. OPTIONS is great, not everyone love to not engage and spam reward food, tons of other rather fight directly and engage the mob. There are 4 pet based jobs with various degree of play style for everyone out there who wants to have pet fighting alongside them. Yes beast master offer easy way out options, and rated the easiest compare to the other three pet based jobs with Pup being the most difficult and time consuming, Summoner second and Dragoon third. Options is great for this game. Not being pigeon hole on one role is good. Being able to solo hard bcnm with just a jug pet and pet food, OMG PRICELESS!!!!!

SCH and WHM being brought up to compare with BST being a "mindlessly OP' job? Did you playthis game AFTER abyssea got released? Did you read any other posts or did you just see thread name and start being super mad? You can't be a naked/gimp WHM and solo. Nor SCH, my point is BST pets are to OP, so many ppl just get the gimpest gear sets and just let an OP AI pet do all the work. BST is the most mindless and non-skilled job available. I just want SE to nerf to the point where you cant just leech it up and spend a total of 5 minutes at the AH buying awful gear then go out and start soloing endgame so to speak, its a slap in the face of the ppl who actually take pride in their jobs and spend vasts amount of time perfecting them.

[Luvbunny]

Seems like the point is you are just jealous that beast master can have a really good jug pets and pet food and be able to play the game just fine and have a lot of fun without having to do much works on most anything else should they choose to. This is called giving options for any players who have different play style, period. Some may see the game as nothing but fun escapism and do not care about pride or whatever perfecting crap of a pixelated time waster. They just want to get to 99 be forever gimped but still be able to just log and play and have fun. SE is catering to many different type of gamers which is amazing change in comparison, no need to get butt hurt jealous - its just a game. Either level beast master or just do other things that suits your play style.

[Demon6324236]

Jealousy has nothing to do with an unbalanced job.

[Luvbunny]

Yeah this is like thief complaining why Dancer can do self skill chain and Red Mage complaining that Blue Mage is actually the real deal when it comes to melee mage job. Neither are valid argument since each jobs is just that, DIFFERENT. Or how White Mage can do a much better healing compared to Scholar and Red Mage. If you want to play a job where your pet is the main deal, you can be butt naked and still can do the job, play beast master, that is what the job designed for, to play as the master of a beast, using jug pet to take the brunt of the damage and doing pretty much the job. It is not perfect, and it is one dimensional but hey, it works for a lot of people. If you want the master to deal a lot of the damage then play Dragoon, if you want a more balanced pet jobs, there is Puppetmaster, and if you so inclined to play the bastard child of the pet jobs, then Summoner is for you.

You are all complaining that Beastmaster jug pet is over powered... if you take this one out of the equation then you have a gimped dragoon that is neither this or that, worse job than puppet master, and not even as useful as Summoner when it comes to buffing abilities. This is what the Beastmaster job is about, it is designed to be played this way, using jug pets. You should be grateful that SE will not let Beastmaster self skill chain with its jug pets like how Pup can do massive damage with a puppet who has unlimited MP and pretty much buff you into oblivion. You also should rejoice that they will not let pet to buff the entire party like how Summoner Avatar can do this at ease, even they can self skill chain with their avatars. Be happy that Beastmaster strength lies on the jug pet, and as usual a good player will make the master deal massive damage with perfect gears and weapon. At least a perfectly geared Warrior still triumph over Beastmaster when it comes to Axe damage. God forbid next you gonna start calling out for Puppetmaster nerf since that job right now after the updates are quite nifty as you can see with the recent discovery of pup sub... Yeah go figure!!

Would you rather have beast master able to charm mobs again?? Would you? And rule dynamis with charmed mob, and pretty much wreak havoc in abysea if they can charm. They are stuck with jug pets, forever.... and have to pay through the roof for the good jug pets and pet food.

[Demon6324236]

Whatever your just going to keep saying that somehow a pet being super powerful and strong without any need for the master to do anything is fair, and its honestly very wrong to every other job. All jobs have at least skill ups to get stronger, puppetmaster has skills for its automaton, dragoon "levels up" its Wyvern, and SMN skills up summoning magic. BST simply pops a pet, at most it has to wear AF2 hands because they help its level, thats the most they possibly have to do for it to be stronger.

Your telling me this sounds balanced? You need to reevaluate what your sense of balance in a game is, because this is far from it. I don't want all jobs to be the same, or do the same things, I want them to take effort. No job should be able to go 1~99 without effort then do whatever they want shortly after without much (if any) work. Appealing to more players? That sounds nice, but the others who don't need that kind of hand out abuse it just as much and it makes things far to easy.

[Luvbunny]

From the sound of your posting, jealousy is rather evident lol. Saying that one can level 1-99 without doing nary anything is total BS, most people do at least something. The fact that the jug pets are quite powerful, well that is the strength of the job, by taking away Beastmaster charm ability in all the new contents, SE is giving them a jug pets replacement that is quite good and well worth the effort for crafters to supply the demand. Otherwise all the beast master will come with craptastic jug pets, and they will ask for the master to be powered up to the level of Dragoon or Warrior when it comes to melee skills, sorry not gonna work, if you want that go play Dragoon or Warrior. Each jobs has its strength and weaknesses, good players know how to take advantage of this. Many other jobs such as Puppetmaster and Blue Mage are over powered as well on certain events, lets not name them in case you get jealous over those jobs as well. Even Summoner can do what the Beastmaster cannot, with pretty much unlimited avatar to resummon less than 1 minute, not a 5 minute timers, and can tank when it comes to NMs with matching elements. Between dawn mulsum and BP ward they can also perform similar duties. Basically you can exploit game mechanic, people do this all the time. Each jobs has their own strength, beast master just happen to be THE jug pets, which is quite strong. Don't blame the way the jobs is designed because a bunch of people took advantage of it and run around with gimped gears. Blame the players for realizing how to utilize the strength of the job and run away with it.

[Demon6324236]

SMN=Level skills, acquiring gear, summon pet, keep MP up, watch it kill.
BST=Use a pet, watch it kill.

How you make it sound is that its a cheat-code in the back of the Manuel for a game. Its there if you want to use it, sure it makes the game easy but you don't have to use it if you don't want to. The problem with these kind of things are that when the majority of players see this cheat-code they feel like using it, especially if it betters them when without it. Like playing a game with infinite HP to get past the hard parts, then going back to normal. Or in this case, players use it for BlackBelt, Dyna, Emps, and then go back to the jobs that would use it. Other people like me, look at the cheatcode and ignore it, we want to earn our stuff and have a challenge. My Excalibur for example, sure I could go out and do BST, make more AC, have it all easy and fly through it, instead I do it the right way, I do it on my RDM. Its challenging, its fun, its geared well and that shows while I play it and make it though my fights.

[Luvbunny]

OK you choose the hard mode, which is YOUR choice, so be happy for it. Other people choose the easy mode, which is THEIR choice, so get used to it. Hey if you want to feel like you earn it, by all means, do it. This game is nothing but grind grind grind grind grind and more grind. Smart people take advantage of short cut and avoid the grind trap. Why bother taking the long hard road when an easy way out is presenting itself. I got 2/3 of my black belt items this way, with beast master and summoner, but go with normal set up on turtle and still yet getting that items. Being able to low man the bcnm is PRICELESS!!!

[Alikhat]

The problem with attaching some kind of skill level requirements to the job is that it would only be a temporary set back. It may deter a few less-than-bothered players from taking up the job but it's not that difficult to get it up if you really wanted to. And considering that BST is as powerful as it is, the rewards for players that take it up would probably see them through it. The only reason I'd like to see such a requirement is to even out the playing field with the other jobs that have to push through that set back.


Other people like me, look at the cheatcode and ignore it, we want to earn our stuff and have a challenge. My Excalibur for example, sure I could go out and do BST, make more AC, have it all easy and fly through it, instead I do it the right way, I do it on my RDM. Its challenging, its fun, its geared well and that shows while I play it and make it though my fights.

This is why I play the game. I mostly do things with my partner and a mutual friend, and occasionally do things with PUGs/linkshells, though I do often like to solo too. I couldn't care less that someone decided to level BST to farm their empy or relic weapon because it was the easy option (sometimes, even I like to take the easy option from time to time). If that makes them feel like a decent player then more power to them. It doesn't affect me in the slightest. My own personal experiences are what makes me the type of player I am and that's where I get my enjoyment in this game. And to be quite honest, these players only copy and do what others before them have long since achieved. They'd fall over backwards if they tried anything original or remotely difficult (as far as that word can be applied to the game, before someone goes on the "this game isn't hard" rant).

The only thing that annoys me is the arrogance of these players who feel like they are above everyone else and can't seem to grasp the concept of common decency. But that's a player base issue, not an issue caused by the job itself. I've even stopped feeling threatened by a BST in the dyna camp I am in, simpy because I make use of less favourable camps or move to decent challenge mobs. It made me laugh a little when I realised that most of the BSTs in the zone don't actually use them because they're probably unsuccessful there.

I do agree that some of the jug pets I've seen are a little overpowered with regards to individual hits (seeing Falcorr hit for 250-300 a swing and having triple attack, is a little silly sometimes) but I can chew through EP/DC in dyna faster than most of the BSTs realise what day it is and when you weigh things up they do have a cost and it's only really decent BSTs that are capable of doing more than what you commonly see (bar Abyssea related content but that's incomparable in my opinion). Of course, I do dynamis on THF mostly, or BLU which really is strong against trash mobs (and with some decent MP management/choosing mobs appropriately can go all night without struggle). I could see an issue if you were comparing RDM DD with a jug pet.

Considering that BST is pretty useless in anything that matters, it's hard not to sympathise with the job itself, it should be left to be at least good at what it can do (even if 5k HP for a pet is a bit silly). If anything, I'd prefer to see a bit more balancing between the jugs themselves. I find it sad that there's such a repertoire of available pets to choose from but only a select few ever get used, especially once you hit 99. It really shows how bad SE is at making, and keeping, things relevant.

Do feel free to /slap arrogant individuals who don't understand playing nicely, though. Because that really is the biggest problem with players of the job.

[Randwolf]

If we're bringing out the nerf stick, Ochain Paladins in Dynamis need one, also. I've seen them aggro multiple, a lot, of mobs. Then stand there and get beat on while stocking up MP. AOE weapon skilling the mobs over and over, while another player continues to gather more mobs and bring them back to the PLD and positions them so that the PLD's AOE hits the newly pulled mobs. Takes almost no skill whatsoever and the duo gets way too many drops for the amount of effort put in.

I'll add more nerfs we need later. Because, it makes me mad when someone else's job is 'overpowered.'

[Demon6324236]

Except Ochain is the hardest Emp in the game to make next to the Harp, the PLD has to be geared fairly well I would think, and probably isn't procing many if any mobs. If they arnt procing them then honestly you would need to throw in WAR as well with Fell Cleave as I'm sure a PDT WAR & a PDT RDM could do that without any problem at all, simply FC the same as you would in Abyssea with more PDT to make up for not having atma.

Come to think of it a smart FC group could probably FC Dyna... RDM spam diaga for procs in magic time, WAR spam FC for WS time, have WAR and RDM /DNC for when JA time comes. All would be somewhat fast depending on luck of procs and you could move between 2~3 types of mobs due to the small distance between mobs in Dynamis.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

So much crying over a solo job NOBODY wants in a party being able to solo. Who needs devs to cry balance when the playerbase does it so often even to the jobs NOBODY wants....... a sad, sad, way this game is in.



Except Ochain is the hardest Emp in the game to make next to the Harp, the PLD has to be geared fairly well I would think, and probably isn't procing many if any mobs. If they arnt procing them then honestly you would need to throw in WAR as well with Fell Cleave as I'm sure a PDT WAR & a PDT RDM could do that without any problem at all, simply FC the same as you would in Abyssea with more PDT to make up for not having atma.

Come to think of it a smart FC group could probably FC Dyna... RDM spam diaga for procs in magic time, WAR spam FC for WS time, have WAR and RDM /DNC for when JA time comes. All would be somewhat fast depending on luck of procs and you could move between 2~3 types of mobs due to the small distance between mobs in Dynamis.

Except, in your view it's still OP, or does difficulty of making an OP weapon/shield suddenly change that in your mind?

[Komori]

BST's pets aren't affected because Call Beast is a JA.

And as far as I know, there is no JA that is directly influenced by skill level. There would be no way to incoporate a nerf without everyone suffering greatly (by having all JA influenced by skills)

or nerfing both good and bad BSTs in the process or killing BST completely. BST is already excluded from group play and removing it's incredible power to solo means the job could literally never be played at all.

[Demon6324236]

The goal is not to nerf BST via make the job weaker simply to make a naked/undergeared BST suffer the same as most naked/undergeared jobs would. As it has been said over and over again a BST naked can perform decent enough to do things with nothing more than a jug and some treats for reward. Other jobs must gear and/or skill to become as strong as a naked BST. Fully geared BST vs fully geared other jobs they perform about the same or other jobs pull ahead. In which case wouldn't it be bad for BST? If jobs pull ahead of it when geared/skilled and its only better when everyone is naked and unskilled you would think there is little room for growth in the job which means it should probably be better rewarding and more spread out.

[Demon6324236]

So much crying over a solo job NOBODY wants in a party being able to solo. Who needs devs to cry balance when the playerbase does it so often even to the jobs NOBODY wants....... a sad, sad, way this game is in.




Except, in your view it's still OP, or does difficulty of making an OP weapon/shield suddenly change that in your mind?

Yes, naked BST=no difficulty, Ochain PLD=High Difficulty. You work for things you deserve reward and in some cases, ease. You are nude or undergeared and simply walk through the same things with little to no more difficulty, no.

[Camiie]

SMN=Level skills, acquiring gear, summon pet, keep MP up, watch it kill.
BST=Use a pet, watch it kill.

Bullshit. Utter ignorant bullshit. Try that anywhere without the right atmas or without a considerable level difference between the mobs and the pet. If you don't have your BST geared properly you and your pet will get smoked like a cheap cigar. Not only are you ignorant, but you're highly insulting to anyone who's put effort into their BST like I have. Please just stop now. Listen to someone with actual experience with the job. It doesn't work the way you claim.

[Demon6324236]

Bullshit. Utter ignorant bullshit. Try that anywhere without the right atmas or without a considerable level difference between the mobs and the pet. If you don't have your BST geared properly you and your pet will get smoked like a cheap cigar. Not only are you ignorant, but you're highly insulting to anyone who's put effort into their BST like I have. Please just stop now. Listen to someone with actual experience with the job. It doesn't work the way you claim.

In basics yes. As I said a BST needs no skilling and needs no gearing to perform where as SMN, PUP, both do. SMN without skilling summoning magic, avatars, and the gear for it is not very good. PUP without attachments, frames, and gear, is not very good. BST naked using a jug pet, is decent and easily kept up with reward/dawns, it starts strong, but can get stronger. Part of what your getting wrong is that its not necessarily about your BST being geared, its about BSTs who arnt geared. A BST poorly geared performing well, thats what this is about, if your well geared good, I would think it would be equally insulting to you that someone naked can still perform on your job decently.

[SNK]

Pointless thread is pointless

[Calamity]

Ok, "decently" is the term I keep seeing thrown around. And here's my comparison, a naked bst with a jug pet is really about the same as a naked sam with a gk spamming shoha. Sam is another job that requires almost no skill to perform decently with and the total overpowering of Shoha just adds to this. Now, let's say this naked sam suddenly geared up, added ws gear and a tp set, this same sam who was performing "decently" before is suddenly a powerful force. The same can be said for bst. A well geared bst should be able to to far more damage than the pet he commands. Any bst who is getting the majority of his DD out of his pet is no bst at all. I for one am not insulted by the bandwagon bsts, I barely acknowledge them at all. They will never ever be able to come close to the power of a real bst without real effort.

And everyone keeps using dynamis as an example of how overpowered bst is. Last I checked, dynamis isn't hard. Not at all. Bst can hold 6 mobs at once? Well hey, I've seen plds and thfs and dncs and nins and even a mnk every now and then, do the exact same thing. So clearly they're overpowered right?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yes, naked BST=no difficulty, Ochain PLD=High Difficulty. You work for things you deserve reward and in some cases, ease. You are nude or undergeared and simply walk through the same things with little to no more difficulty, no.

That's absurd. Difficulty or not the issue people have will exist for BST or PLD. The issue is hording enemies, the same thing that exists in today's Book Burns, Fell Cleave parties etc....

Want a fix for that? Ask SE to change how it works on a wide scale, NOT for one job.

It's already simple enough for BST. Only two cam be claimed, kill the remaining yourself.


Ok, "decently" is the term I keep seeing thrown around. And here's my comparison, a naked bst with a jug pet is really about the same as a naked sam with a gk spamming shoha. Sam is another job that requires almost no skill to perform decently with and the total overpowering of Shoha just adds to this. Now, let's say this naked sam suddenly geared up, added ws gear and a tp set, this same sam who was performing "decently" before is suddenly a powerful force. The same can be said for bst. A well geared bst should be able to to far more damage than the pet he commands. Any bst who is getting the majority of his DD out of his pet is no bst at all. I for one am not insulted by the bandwagon bsts, I barely acknowledge them at all. They will never ever be able to come close to the power of a real bst without real effort.

And everyone keeps using dynamis as an example of how overpowered bst is. Last I checked, dynamis isn't hard. Not at all. Bst can hold 6 mobs at once? Well hey, I've seen plds and thfs and dncs and nins and even a mnk every now and then, do the exact same thing. So clearly they're overpowered right?

Level 75 content that they think just because it was edited it's now unacceptable for a level 99 job to do so well in.

Pu those naked BST against VW, Abyssea NM's and even older HNM's and they will completely fail.... Not to mention I've NEVER seen a naked BST in Dynamis.

[Aldersyde]

In basics yes. As I said a BST needs no skilling and needs no gearing to perform where as SMN, PUP, both do. SMN without skilling summoning magic, avatars, and the gear for it is not very good. PUP without attachments, frames, and gear, is not very good. BST naked using a jug pet, is decent and easily kept up with reward/dawns, it starts strong, but can get stronger. Part of what your getting wrong is that its not necessarily about your BST being geared, its about BSTs who arnt geared. A BST poorly geared performing well, thats what this is about, if your well geared good, I would think it would be equally insulting to you that someone naked can still perform on your job decently.

Somehow, even if there was a concession that bst pets should be affected by some kind of skill level, I still don't think it would satisfy people calling for a bst nerf. The whole argument is smoke. What it really boils down to is that people are still pissed that bst is one of the most efficient jobs in dynamis, especially if you don't want to share drops. People have to accept that some jobs do certain events better than others and move on; hell I have to every time I have to change jobs to do a party-oriented event because bst is usually just the last, last resort when a final slot needs to be filled.

How would they even implement some kind of skill system anyway? When call beast is used on its five minute timer? On ready moves which have a charge system AND a TP requirement? Melee hits? When pets evade hits? What about people who already have bst at 99? Do they suddenly have to skill-up their pet abilities? How do you make new bsts "earn" their pets without hurting people who have played bst for years? Sorry, that's a silly question...because the point is to hurt the job itself.

What will be the next excuse for a nerf when people skill up their pets and other people are still pissed that bsts are still one of the best currency farming jobs? And don't go saying it isn't about dynamis, because it is. Thumping level 75 content? Who cares? Vrtra? No one did Vrtra at 75. Ditto for Jorm. Tiamat is still botted, so I say if someone can get a claim on her, they can kill it any damn way they please. I see way more thfs and dncs soloing sky triggers than I see bst. Limbus? Hell, why not? It's not like many people do limbus at all, even with the Neo-bosses. Empty nearly every time I check the zones. Bst can do behemoth ksnm. Can't do wyrm or tortoise. If I left out anything, it's because it's totally irrelevant. So there you have it. Bst has an advantage over other jobs in that it can solo behemoth and run rampant in dynamis. I can't see people really having their panties in a bunch over just the behemoth, so it has to boil down to dynamis.

Your beef is really with the dynamis proc system. Stop calling for job nerfs.

[SNK]

Yes, naked BST=no difficulty, Ochain PLD=High Difficulty. You work for things you deserve reward and in some cases, ease. You are nude or undergeared and simply walk through the same things with little to no more difficulty, no.

Because a PLD in anything these days is seriously needed as much as a BST is needed in an alliance.... oh wait...

[Luvbunny]

Yes, naked BST=no difficulty, Ochain PLD=High Difficulty. You work for things you deserve reward and in some cases, ease. You are nude or undergeared and simply walk through the same things with little to no more difficulty, no.

Your argument is totally pointless, you have no clue how the job works AT ALL. You are very biased toward beast master job just because their jug pets can actually deal rather good damage. This same very argument is extremely true at 75 where even match or tough mob charmed and then two houred via "familiar" command will do just as much damage as the current jug pets. If you never play or level the jobs, stop calling for a nerf unless you want Paladin to be nerfed to oblivion as well in return. Just because you have no clue how to farm efficiently for dynamis, no need to get overly jealous if others took the somewhat easy route and actually lvl beast master even if they are geared decently. Crappy beast will hold no candle over one that is a career beast master who actually WORKED hard to get their gears.

[Neisan_Quetz]

What the hell is going on this thread

[Komori]

Not to mention with what others have said those jugs and pet food cost money, and can actually wrack up in cost. We pay everytime we want to have that kind of power.

[Rezeak]

Agian a nekkid BST cannot perform in endgame or anything worth a damn.

All i nekkid bst really has going for it is that it can solo old content really fast and easily and yes it's OVERPOWERED as the OP said but imo that a good thing.

Think about a new player join the game were he has to do a ton of crap that 95%+ of the community has done least bst gives them that opportunity to do alot of it w/out /shing for hrs.

Unless everyone is willing to carry newer players BST is great for this and hating it cause of it is elitist imo since your basically just saying a new players should spend 1-2 years before they can play w/ the rest of the community.

Either way threads like this are really dumb bst isn't even that great a job outside dyna for newer content where it really matters.

[Teraniku]

What the hell is going on this thread

See if BST wasn't just a jug pet job @99 you might have a valid point. If SE would rework Charm and allow it to work on high level mobs then your argument might have merit. The fact of the matter is, if they craft or buy jug pets, they are geared properly, Just the same as any other job that buys gear to make it more effective.

[Unaisis]

Comparing a naked bst to a geared bst and saying there is little difference between the two...... is ridiculous. It's also rather insulting as well to real Bsts. I don't see why people would start threads about things they have no idea about T.T;;;

[Sharnak]

BST solo Wyrm what is a news...
Are you know how much they pay for pet + food to keep til win?
and with single mistake <End Key> you can have it.

I also read that got many job can solo win Kirin, 4 Gods, 5AA, Omega, Ultima, even Shinryu (yes without brew) which mostly bst can't solo, so all those job need to nerf too?
PPL keep call nerf this nerf that when urself not even understand how much effort ppl work to do that.

I'm one who lv bst since, pet still cut owner's xp so we need to release pet every time b4 land hit kill.
I'm 75 since jug pet is just "JUNK!!" and you will waste gil on it incase you really want to survive with no pet you can't charm around, and purpose mostly not for kill mob but for run aways.
and even now jug pet only good for a lot lower lv mob. which mostly job also can kill them
solo or duo (even bst is solo job actually we duo with pet and we act as healer while pet will tank and DD)

Like in dyna i got both bst and pup, i go as pup more since it's not waste any gil on pet and petfood.
and if i really like i can tank 4 mob same time same to bst's pet do (My pup not even have full +2 all af3 yet).
So up PUP if you not like bst.
(must say first b4 anyone misunderstand me, normally i always take 1 or 2 mob max unless it's mad link, I feel hold too much mob is rude and ruin it's pop timer so i'm will advoid to do it)

All job have it's strong point and weak point, If you point around you will can nerf all job, are you like if any ppl point to job you love and say nerf it nerf it?

[Natenn]

OK you choose the hard mode, which is YOUR choice, so be happy for it. Other people choose the easy mode, which is THEIR choice, so get used to it. Hey if you want to feel like you earn it, by all means, do it. This game is nothing but grind grind grind grind grind and more grind. Smart people take advantage of short cut and avoid the grind trap. Why bother taking the long hard road when an easy way out is presenting itself. I got 2/3 of my black belt items this way, with beast master and summoner, but go with normal set up on turtle and still yet getting that items. Being able to low man the bcnm is PRICELESS!!!What you deem hard mode is actually having common sense and basic knowledge of how to gear/play jobs. This easy mode you speak of is what i call being a slob, cause thats what most BSTs i see are: slobs. 5/5 Perle and talk a big game bc of OP pet.

[Mavrick]

I totally support a BST nerf. Go ahead and lower jugs HP to 20%~30% of what they currently are, drop pet Defense and Attack power by 75%, but in return I want pets to get gear/attachments/skills similar to Pups/Smns that allows pet:

- TP Abilities that deals +1500 physical damage to high level monsters
- TP Abilities that deals +1500 magical damage to high level monsters
- The Ability to use TP whenever they have +100TP and attempt to form SC with master
- A Role Reversal type ability
- Abilities/Spells that Heal party members at the frequency of Pup's Auto
- Status removal spells/abilities
- Aura Buffs like Summoner
- AOE support Buffs (IE Hastega, Refreshga)
- High Damaging Black Mage Nukes
- Call Beast recast lowered to 1:00
- And since our current 2HR only grants a pathetic MAX HP+10% to jugs I think a 2-HR adjustment is needed.
During 2 Hour I want the ability to call a Wivre that hangs around for 10~15 mins before he depops. He should have Auto Regen/Regain and have the following TP abilities:
Boiling Blood: AOE Attack Boost+25% and Haste+25% for 5 mins for master's party.
Batterhorn: ~2000 cone damage

You do all these things and I'll support your solo BST nerf.

[FrankReynolds]

What the hell is going on this thread

Giant Retarded Troll Fest that should have been deleted at post #1. It would do everyone who has read this well if they just Blacklisted the dummies propagating this misinformation and these ridiculous opinions.

BST is not overpowered. If anything it needs an adjustment to make it more useful outside of soloing dynamis and a few weak NMS.

Also this:


The fact of the matter is, if they craft or buy jug pets, they are geared properly, Just the same as any other job that buys gear to make it more effective.

[Natenn]

Giant Retarded Troll Fest that should have been deleted at post #1. It would do everyone who has read this well if they just Blacklisted the dummies propagating this misinformation and these ridiculous opinions.

BST is not overpowered. If anything it needs an adjustment to make it more useful outside of soloing dynamis and a few weak NMS.

No, no, and no. BST is OP and needs to be nerfed, yet another abyssea boomer casual that thinks ahigh post count makes them right.

[FrankReynolds]

No, no, and no. BST is OP and needs to be nerfed, yet another abyssea boomer casual that thinks ahigh post count makes them right.

Been around since before NA release. Nice try.

[Windwhisper]

Did a BST outclaim your PLD at Tiamat or why this ragethread? 0.o

[Camiie]

This thread is troll created and troll approved!

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[Habu]

Completely agree with this. I'm tired of having to wait 10 mins for crappy BST who think they can solo things to wipe to something they can't. Like Bennu for example, watched a BST solo it all the way down to 5% even though he was terrible...oh well got free stuff in the end when he died.

Also BST should NOT be able to solo stuff such as Behemoth, Fafnir, Adaman, Vrtra...just doesn't make sense.

[FrankReynolds]

Completely agree with this. I'm tired of having to wait 10 mins for crappy BST who think they can solo things to wipe to something they can't. Like Bennu for example, watched a BST solo it all the way down to 5% even though he was terrible...oh well got free stuff in the end when he died.

Also BST should NOT be able to solo stuff such as Behemoth, Fafnir, Adaman, Vrtra...just doesn't make sense.

Yes, Its much better to watch a dancer solo it for 10 minutes and not wipe. That way you waste time watching them and get nothing for it ;)

[Zerich]

This thread is troll created and troll approved!

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The truth.

[Habu]

Yes, Its much better to watch a dancer solo it for 10 minutes and not wipe. That way you waste time watching them and get nothing for it ;)

DNC needs a nerf then too

[FrankReynolds]

DNC needs a nerf then too

and ninja too is suppose. Those jobs are crazy powerful. They hog all the spots at every event. Shitting all over all the wars / sams / monks. It's terrible.

I'm tired of every VW shout saying "beast dancer ninja(can I have it?) naked is okay. 2 handers (no thanks)!!

[Juilan]

I don't like BST. I leveled it solo to 27 years back, I didn't like it. I soloed it to 40 a few months back, still didn't like it so I leached it. I don't like BST in the 90s, its lv96 for that reason and probably isn't going to 99 till I finish Maat's cap. Only thing I think needs nerfed for BST is its abilities in Dyna, for instance, 3~5 mobs should always = death, not = easy.

I personally think they should give pets their TH back, I stopped doing dynamis because now BST just go in with either a THF friend or that friend plus another person and just monopolize the EP camps. If BST could solo anything they'd be doing the DC camps and not clog the EP camps with their party of friends. PUP has an easier time soloing DCs in dynamis than the BST do for that matter... Should we camp PUP? and btw, I've seen solo ninjas hold 3~6 EP mobs, and THF hold 3~5 monsters in the same camps and based on the skill of the DNC and gear they can hold up to 7, so the holding is not exclusive to BST, you just don't see PUPs doing it.

[HimuraKenshyn]

I have seen pld/dnc, dnc/thf, sam/dnc, nin/dnc, mnk/dnc and thf/dnc all pull and hold multiple mobs with ease this thread and others like it are nothing more than a successful troll on BST....

The only issue I have is if you pull multiple mobs and kill slow as heck now that's just rude lol.

[Luvbunny]

I totally support a BST nerf. Go ahead and lower jugs HP to 20%~30% of what they currently are, drop pet Defense and Attack power by 75%, but in return I want pets to get gear/attachments/skills similar to Pups/Smns that allows pet:

- TP Abilities that deals +1500 physical damage to high level monsters
- TP Abilities that deals +1500 magical damage to high level monsters
- The Ability to use TP whenever they have +100TP and attempt to form SC with master
- A Role Reversal type ability
- Abilities/Spells that Heal party members at the frequency of Pup's Auto
- Status removal spells/abilities
- Aura Buffs like Summoner
- AOE support Buffs (IE Hastega, Refreshga)
- High Damaging Black Mage Nukes
- Call Beast recast lowered to 1:00
- And since our current 2HR only grants a pathetic MAX HP+10% to jugs I think a 2-HR adjustment is needed.
During 2 Hour I want the ability to call a Wivre that hangs around for 10~15 mins before he depops. He should have Auto Regen/Regain and have the following TP abilities:
Boiling Blood: AOE Attack Boost+25% and Haste+25% for 5 mins for master's party.
Batterhorn: ~2000 cone damage

You do all these things and I'll support your solo BST nerf.

Fully signed!!! Let's make BST the top tier Pet jobs and nerf the jug pets to oblivion but with those revisions so we can have what Pup, Drg and Summoner have in exchange, I mean, it's about time we get jug pets that can do massive nuke every 20 second without loosing MP and we should be able to do self skill chain with our pets just like every other jobs that over powered out there, it's only fair.

[Nala]

More like prepare for me stealing your mob's SE clearly states yellow is fair game.

[Caketime]

More like prepare for me stealing your mob's SE clearly states yellow is fair game.

/em high fives Nala.

Cry more BST haters, your tears are like delicious nectar.

[Raborn]

There is alot of gil placed into soloing certain things that other jobs can kill with ease and use little to no gil for. I think that the balance is there, you just need to learn to accept that certain jobs have specialties over others. And that in fact monsters (which is what BST specialize in), have a higher damage base and damage reduction on things far less than their level. A higher HP is fair seeing as how call beast is an almost 5 minute recast timer and seeing as how everything can go to shit in less than 1 minute flat on this game I dare say adjusting or playing with that totally destroys the job.

I just don't see gimping BST being a fair option at all at this point, I mean are you simply complaining about BSTs ability to survive, because thats been a trademark of any pet job. If you are mad at seeing people solo stuff that used to be difficult to do, get over it its no longer 2002, and your hnmls doesn't bot claim stuff anymore.

[Winrie]

Until SE makes it to where we can rapidly drop familiars out when they die like smn can resummon or cut call beast cool down in half or more or add a ja that let's us remove various status afflictions including doom then I'll agree with a bst nerf, until then get over it and leave my bst alone.

[Smeggles]

Ignore Habu he is an attention starved pre-teen.


Funny story. I saw a thief and a white mage aeolian edge burning like 6 mobs at a time yesterday in bubu.

I do dynamis with a Dancer and a RDM mule for haste and we AoE pull 8-10 mobs on my THF every night. I also solo things like Bennu on my THF I guess THF needs nerf too hey? :P

It's not their fault that the haters want to cry about ANY jobs potential to do something they can't. It's prolly some bandwagon Ukko's warrior that is sad they cant live through 10+ pulls or solo NM's. Must suck getting all those VW/Legion invites though......

[Zerich]

If people hate BST's prowess so much, why don't they just level it?

[Komori]

Why do people think that they're better in life because they have more virtual achievements? Poor children get no attention at home these days.

[Samosa]

Beastmaster was underpowered for a long time pre-abyssea, those of us who chose to level it had to learn the intracacies of Charm and mob families. I agree, there are a lot of Perle BST's who burn the job to 99 just to do dyna. In level 75 endgame they can do pretty decently, as can a lot of other jobs. However even a well geared BST has issues with the endgame introduced since abyssea.
Pet's have already had a couple of nerfs in the last year or so, there was the pet PDT nerf last year, which in hindsight made sense, as being able to get 100% PDT on pets was probably a bit broken. We have also had the TH nerf not so long ago.
My BST doesn't get as much use as it used to, currently the main uses are in Salvage and in Dyna.
I believe that the newer stronger pets were introduced because Charm was made virtually useless in anything Abyssea and onwards.
All jobs can be played well, or not so, gear contributes to this a bit, but a lot of it is the player themselves.
Asking for a nerf, just because BST can now solo old content doesn't make much sense to me. I think things are OK as they are currently.

[Luvbunny]

Yeah those negative commenters and especially the original poster are just butt hurt jealous because Beastmaster is efficient farmer in Dynamis and the job can solo older contents rather well and works nicely in abyssea as well with the right atmas.... LIKE EVERY OTHER SOLO jobs basically lol. I think SE did a decent job in balancing beast master and already swung a couple of nerf bats at the job in the past year or two after Abyssea. Kudos for them for buffing the heck of Dragoon and Puppetmaster, I just wish they would do the same to Summoner, the last pet based job that is sorely lacking in the update dept. His comments about effort yada yada blah blah blah on skills etc... well pretty much gazilions of abysea express train jobs are rather under leveled skill wise, under geared and pretty much need a lot of work. Not everyone take this game seriously, some people just play it casually for fun.

[Natenn]

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

[Aldersyde]

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

I could say the same thing about cor. You can play cor by throwing money into the dice and then stand there naked pressing a macro for two rolls over and over again. No skill involved in the effectiveness of the buffs. However, playing that way doesn't mean you're playing the job right. Same applies to bst. There's nothing in the rules that says you can't be a lazy twit.

[Smeggles]

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

If it's that simple go and do it. I have just recently levelled BST cause its fun to play (its still easier to solo stuff and farm dynamis on my THF)

You will see that jug pets fall over on their faces if you don't have the right gear. You will also find your pet bisciuts won't put a dent in the incoming damage without a good reward set.

Quite frankly you are a moron.

[SNK]

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

You are such a troll. lol

[Calamity]

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

Then answer me how you could actually punish the bandwagon bsts without hurting the true bsts along with them?

Furthermore, calling it a skillless job is over harsh. The bsts you speak of play the bare minimum of the job's potential, which I admit, is higher than most job's bare minimum potential. There is skill that goes into the job and any bst who's actually taken the time to build their bst up into something great can show you the difference.

[BuddyD]

Only thing I think needs nerfed for BST is its abilities in Dyna, for instance, 3~5 mobs should always = death, not = easy.

To say that is to say nerf all jobs. I can take on 5-6 mobs in dyna on PLD, NIN, THF,BLU, SAM even on WAR if I sub DNC. As Camiie said, if you feel intimidated by BST solo compared to your fav. job then instead of bashing BSTs and asking for Nerfs, ask for buffs on your own job or find a different job.

[Demon6324236]

I moved away from talking about Dynamis at all for that reason and instead focused on the reason the entire thread seems to have been presented. The idea originally seemed to be about a naked leeched BST still being somewhat powerful. Many people have said in here they geared BST and have no want for a nerf, but thats the thing, they geared it, those who do not should be weak and worthless, not strong enough to solo anything outside of stupidly weak mobs. As I said before, a lv99 any job with 0 skill, who has never fought, will have no chance against anything really. BST however is different, the same conditions onto it but with the addition of a single jug and a few items for reward and you can fight.

People keep coming back here and talking about how their geared BST shouldn't be nerfed, how it should be stronger if anything, but they are not getting the point. My target is not all BST, simply gimped BSTs, those who care nothing about their gear, or their skill, simply letting the pet whos already strong by itself do all of the work instead. Complain at me that I'm wrong, tell me I'm stupid, do whatever, I honestly don't care anymore because its just getting on my nerves. A simply way to say it is that your misunderstanding what I'm saying, and so I'm just going to leave it alone. Natenn is seeming to say much the same I am, so I suppose I'm a troll, cool, guess thats what I get for asking for balance & attempting to explain my opinion.

[Natenn]

I moved away from talking about Dynamis at all for that reason and instead focused on the reason the entire thread seems to have been presented. The idea originally seemed to be about a naked leeched BST still being somewhat powerful. Many people have said in here they geared BST and have no want for a nerf, but thats the thing, they geared it, those who do not should be weak and worthless, not strong enough to solo anything outside of stupidly weak mobs. As I said before, a lv99 any job with 0 skill, who has never fought, will have no chance against anything really. BST however is different, the same conditions onto it but with the addition of a single jug and a few items for reward and you can fight.

People keep coming back here and talking about how their geared BST shouldn't be nerfed, how it should be stronger if anything, but they are not getting the point. My target is not all BST, simply gimped BSTs, those who care nothing about their gear, or their skill, simply letting the pet whos already strong by itself do all of the work instead. Complain at me that I'm wrong, tell me I'm stupid, do whatever, I honestly don't care anymore because its just getting on my nerves. A simply way to say it is that your misunderstanding what I'm saying, and so I'm just going to leave it alone. Natenn is seeming to say much the same I am, so I suppose I'm a troll, cool, guess thats what I get for asking for balance & attempting to explain my opinion.

exactly, idc what geared career bsts do but bandwagon gimps crutching on an OP pet is fail.

[Luvbunny]

exactly, idc what geared career bsts do but bandwagon gimps crutching on an OP pet is fail.

Are you two that dumb or just plain ignorant, a naked summoner with 0 level magic skills can still do something somewhat similar - the pet they summon is lvl 99, has same hp, and the same strength as fully skilled up summoner. The only main difference is the buffs of 0 skill summoner will not last long or as effective. And the BP damage may be more miss than hit but not 0 damage. BST has to merit so that their jug pets can be strong at 99. Your main beef is that many people do bandwagon beast, because the job is the most bang for your buck when it comes to farming and playing solo. GET OVER IT already, always have and will be. It's an ok job, many other jobs are still much better suited for VIP events than beast master. And stop acting so high and mighty just because you "skilled up" your jobs... get off your high horse for once. If these bandwagon beast wants to be gimpatastic and only use the job for dyna farm or bcnm farm, which lets be HONEST here, this is your main jealousy factor, then so be it. Beast is efficient for dyna farm but it is not the only job that can be just as efficient or more.

[Calamity]

I moved away from talking about Dynamis at all for that reason and instead focused on the reason the entire thread seems to have been presented. The idea originally seemed to be about a naked leeched BST still being somewhat powerful. Many people have said in here they geared BST and have no want for a nerf, but thats the thing, they geared it, those who do not should be weak and worthless, not strong enough to solo anything outside of stupidly weak mobs. As I said before, a lv99 any job with 0 skill, who has never fought, will have no chance against anything really. BST however is different, the same conditions onto it but with the addition of a single jug and a few items for reward and you can fight.

People keep coming back here and talking about how their geared BST shouldn't be nerfed, how it should be stronger if anything, but they are not getting the point. My target is not all BST, simply gimped BSTs, those who care nothing about their gear, or their skill, simply letting the pet whos already strong by itself do all of the work instead. Complain at me that I'm wrong, tell me I'm stupid, do whatever, I honestly don't care anymore because its just getting on my nerves. A simply way to say it is that your misunderstanding what I'm saying, and so I'm just going to leave it alone. Natenn is seeming to say much the same I am, so I suppose I'm a troll, cool, guess thats what I get for asking for balance & attempting to explain my opinion.

And I ask the same question I asked before. How would either of you propose to gimp the bandwagon bsts without taking the career bsts down with them? Doesn't seem that easy to me, but idk, maybe there's something I haven't thought of. The bst bandwagon annoyed me as much as it does you, but not to the point where I'm willing to gimp myself to fight it.

Edit: To be clear, this is why the career bsts are chiming in. It feels like an attack on bst can only affect us all. Give me a real solution that could only affect the bandwagon bsts and I'll shut up and give my support.

[Komori]

People still don't also seem to grasp is you can't affect the strength of the pet because it is essentially a JA. And none of the JA ingame are related to skill level.

To gimp bandwagon BSTs would be to relate very JA ingame to a skill somehow which probably isn't possible.

[Zerich]

Trolls aside, if you really want to get rid of "bandwagon-BSTs"
Gain monopoly over the strongest jugs and crank up those prices on the AH via a crafting mule.

[Camiie]

I think what people really need to do is accept that they can't lay sole claim to Dynamis zones anymore, and that there is going to be competition for mobs at times. People need to drop this sense of entitlement and quit thinking that whatever lies before them belongs to them.

[Aldersyde]

I moved away from talking about Dynamis at all for that reason and instead focused on the reason the entire thread seems to have been presented. The idea originally seemed to be about a naked leeched BST still being somewhat powerful. Many people have said in here they geared BST and have no want for a nerf, but thats the thing, they geared it, those who do not should be weak and worthless, not strong enough to solo anything outside of stupidly weak mobs. As I said before, a lv99 any job with 0 skill, who has never fought, will have no chance against anything really. BST however is different, the same conditions onto it but with the addition of a single jug and a few items for reward and you can fight.

People keep coming back here and talking about how their geared BST shouldn't be nerfed, how it should be stronger if anything, but they are not getting the point. My target is not all BST, simply gimped BSTs, those who care nothing about their gear, or their skill, simply letting the pet whos already strong by itself do all of the work instead. Complain at me that I'm wrong, tell me I'm stupid, do whatever, I honestly don't care anymore because its just getting on my nerves. A simply way to say it is that your misunderstanding what I'm saying, and so I'm just going to leave it alone. Natenn is seeming to say much the same I am, so I suppose I'm a troll, cool, guess thats what I get for asking for balance & attempting to explain my opinion.

Career bsts are chiming in and jumping on your back because they recognize that there is no way to fix the issue you seem to have without stomping on the job as a whole. There are three ways to adjust the the strength of the pet:

1. Weaken all the attributes and lower the hp of the pet across the board. That screws every bst.

2. Make the strength of the pet dependent on skill on a job that has not previously had such a system. There are two choices for SE here, because they are not going to apply a "fix" differentially based how long a player has had bst 99 or whether they have good gear. SE doesn't have time to do that and it's a waste of monetary resources They can either give every bst skill based on their level or they can make everyone grind up from zero. First case scenario doesn't solve your "problem". The second scenario screws every bst because they have to grind up skill from zero.

3. Make the strength of jug pet gear dependent. Guess what? There's no system in place based on this premise atm. SE either has to give each player who leveled bst the gear (unlikely) or make every bst gather the gear (ding!). Guess what? You see where this going...it screws every bst. Everyone has to work to bring their pets up to a certain level of performance, whether they were "gimp" or not.

There's no way to to fix the balance problem you see without making every bst suffer.

[SNK]

exactly, idc what geared career bsts do but bandwagon gimps crutching on an OP pet is fail.

Man the fumes of your trollness are just getting me high dude....

[Camiie]

exactly, idk what geared career bsts do but bandwagon gimps crutching on an OP pet is fail.

Fixed that for you. You have ZERO idea what you're talking about. You don't know what BSTs do, you don't know how the job works. Some BST in white or pink gear (you did know BST can wear Aurore too right? No? Figures) kept you from doing something you felt entitled to do, and now you want to take us all out back and beat us with a nerf bat.

[Habu]

I think what people really need to do is accept that they can't lay sole claim to Dynamis zones anymore, and that there is going to be competition for mobs at times. People need to drop this sense of entitlement and quit thinking that whatever lies before them belongs to them.

Now you're starting to sound like a real HNMer :)

[Phogg]

bottom line is BST is a skillless job, all jobs should require gear and skill, current BSTs need only call a pet and reward spam, 2 things which is pretty derp. All im asking for is for BST to be nerfed to the point where cant do much by slobbing it up with fail gear and just throw money at NMs and stuff. Every job should have to be worked on, if you are a BST99 and actually leveled it/geared it as your pride then my beefs not with you. Its the gimp bandwagon BSTs that need to be knocked down a few pegs.

I take offense to basically everything you say in this thread. BTW, any job can be played in the manner you speak with very little skill, its just in different ways. I'm sure it takes tons of skill to spam WS macros as a DD while a whm bot cure bombs you. Just tons if skill involved there, right?

[Aldersyde]

exactly, idc what geared career bsts do but bandwagon gimps crutching on an OP pet is fail.

I regularly strip hate from my pet, in and outside Abyssea. Of course, I know how to build a tp set based on 25% (26%) haste, double and triple attack, and attack+, and actually eat meat. I focus on dding and use snarl to make my pet the meat shield or evasion tank. I use aoe pet tp moves on links to force mobs to hit my pet instead of me. I focus on tping and hitting ruinator, because even though pets have high damage melee hits, most ready moves are just laughable in terms of damage.

I act as dd and healer, my pet acts as the tank. I don't know what other people do, but that's how i do things. This is, of course, on mobs that don't do dangerous tp moves. On those mobs, I switch to a complete full pet haste and pdt- set and focus on keeping the pet alive at all costs.

There's a lot more to bst than using call beast, attack and reward.

[Demon6324236]

But your not the target of the nerf being asked for, we do not want BSTs who work at it to be nerfed, can you not understand that?

[Aldersyde]

But your not the target of the nerf being asked for, we do not want BSTs who work at it to be nerfed, can you not understand that?

There is no way to implement what you're asking for without hitting career bsts or punishing ppl who haven't even leveled the job. Why can't you understand that? I wrote a whole post about this morning.

[Demon6324236]

Have the stats of the pet directly effected by the stats of the master. Career BSTs would have stats already high, thus not harming them because their high stats are in turn creating high stats for the pet. Nude, underskilled, or poorly geared BSTs would not have high stats and thus would have a weak pet in return. For instance if you are using Dual Wield PDT Axes for your BST, your axe skill is capped, then your pet will in turn have high accuracy and attack. DMG and such would still be unique to each pet and keep that the same however attack/accuracy could be based off of the masters skill with the primary weapon at the time Call Beast is used. Pets could also use a multiplier on the players skill level to determine its attack/accuracy to retain diversity between them.

In Short
-Make pets attack/accuracy based on the Master's skill level for the weapon in the Main slot upon using Call Beast.
-Make all pets have their own multiplier on this to differentiate each pet and keep their stats unique.
-Create gear that enhances the multipliers of pets by certain amounts such as the Elemental Belts/Gorgets do for weaponskills fTP.
-Enhance pets based on natural stats for the master (STR, DEX, so on, but possibly without + from gear being accounted into it, meaning merits for them will also enhance the pets) giving everyone more diversity for each player by allowing other merits to take hold on them as well while adding a multiplier as with skill levels to keep pets different from one another in terms of stats.

So far as I can tell, this should hurt no BSTs who play the job, if anything it helps them. While others would have to make sure they skill up at least something to be ok on damage/accuracy, creating a solve to both sides I think. Is there a problem with this idea?

[Komori]

Except how do you make a job ability somehow attach to a skill level? Provoke, Sentinel, Souleater, Last Resort etc. none of them are reliant on any skill level, they're all just as potent as they are at 0 as they are at cap.

We don't even know if attaching JA to skill level is even possible, so stop asking for BST to become weak. Step down from the high horse your sitting on because I don't think you can see how low BST really is when it comes to anything relevant in today's time. Why do gimp BSTs bother you so much? You don't have to play alongside them; Dynamis is the only reason and if you only fight DC mobs you should have no issues since Perle BSTs would never touch them.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Idea is bad and you should feel bad

Obligatory posting in troll thread.

[Phogg]

Sure, and while we're at it lets have mage's nuking and curing abilities be tied to their staff skills.

No thanks, not to mention we were even more powerful solo when the game afforded us pets to charm where it matters. Funny how everyone is on the jobs ass now because of one piece of content. It's not like its hard to cap out axe skill anyway, any "gimp" would do it naturally farming in dynamis to at least a degree where your idea solves nothing in that regard.

I'm a career bst, if you see me on Phoenix check my bazaar message. But guess what, for almost anything anymore I use other jobs, like THF, COR, WAR etc. because those jobs are more effective in most cases unless I absolutely must solo something and cannot find help (not to mention despite our apparent over the top power, you STILL rarely see a BST invited to most group oriented events). I even farm Dynamis as THF with 1 or 2 friends and destroy any solo BST competition around us, so this entire notion that BST dominates Dyna is BS to begin with. With as well geared and experienced with the job as I am, you would think I would use it more if it was truly that overpowered. The only issue is BST pets being able to hold yellow hate over other jobs without a similar level of risk to the master, and that has nothing to do with attack or accuracy anyway, just pet survival.

The irony is, any career BST would tell you that "problem" is actually something old BSTs used to find annoying about the job. In battle, when we would get links our pets would act erratically and it would cause us to lose control of the fight we are engaged in, and in some cases die because we can't get our pet to pay attention to the main target. It's been a part of the job forever and always will be because of the way "monster pets" are treated in the game.

The job is not overpowered. It's just not. The only thing it can do well (slowly solo something) can also be done with a variety of other jobs, I don't even know why this is a discussion based on that. So what if people find it easy and reliable to use the job to farm in dynamis, or on some abyssea mob or even whatever they want to kill with the job. That's a YOU problem, not a BST problem. I don't remember anyone complaining about RDM's solo ability back when it was the other king of solo play. The only reason its an issue now is dynamis. So let's nerf the entire job because one sliver of content.....

[Demon6324236]

Except how do you make a job ability somehow attach to a skill level? Provoke, Sentinel, Souleater, Last Resort etc. none of them are reliant on any skill level, they're all just as potent as they are at 0 as they are at cap.

We don't even know if attaching JA to skill level is even possible, so stop asking for BST to become weak. Step down from the high horse your sitting on because I don't think you can see how low BST really is when it comes to anything relevant in today's time. Why do gimp BSTs bother you so much? You don't have to play alongside them; Dynamis is the only reason and if you only fight DC mobs you should have no issues since Perle BSTs would never touch them.

Simple, if it can not be done with skill then simply base it off of Attack/Accuracy itself instead.

[Phogg]

BTW this entire thread wreaks of hypocrisy anyway. It should be re-titled "I want MY job to be noticeably superior in all ways to other jobs, so lets nerf this one. Kthx."

[Demon6324236]

BTW this entire thread wreaks of hypocrisy anyway. It should be re-titled "I want MY job to be noticeably superior in all ways to other jobs, so lets nerf this one. Kthx."

I fail to understand how a BST with no gear/skilled skills has anything to do with my RDM or it being superior to anything in anyway.

[Phogg]

I fail to understand how a BST with no gear/skilled skills has anything to do with my RDM or it being superior to anything in anyway.

That's not specific to you, but the concept of this entire thread. There's just no point to this thread other than "I don't like all these BSTs around, I think they suck, wah, so lets nerf them so I can feel super duper again!"

Funny thing about these threads and complaints, they are coming from the same sort of people who at 75 never took BSTs around anywhere because they thought they were gimp and underpowered compared to other DD's (which was in reality an equal load of crap as suggesting they are overpowered now when there is simply very little difference in the job aside from the move toward almost exclusive use of jug pets). Can't have it both ways, cupcakes.

[Luvbunny]

Yup, those two never seems to understand that the beast master as a job is tied to the jug pets as weapon, just like ninja with all their tools, you expense something to gain something. The master itself is good but will never beat other melee DD on their own in terms of raw stats power, if you compare them side by side, the jug pets are the half of the equation so to speak. Instead of having one weapon that is forever yours, beast master have to spend gill on their "weapon" which is half their power and will be gone when they zone out and after 90-120 mnts, sometimes even faster if you are fighting mob that is IT. The only reasons they seems overpowered its because so far the mob fought are old contents that are now squishy and too weak. It's rather pointless trying to educate them, these two never play the job, never will and just butt hurt jealous cuz some Perle beast just took over their camp, or their NMs or they have zero friend that will help them solo Behemoth BCNM lol.

[Caketime]

That's not specific to you, but the concept of this entire thread. There's just no point to this thread other than "I don't like all these BSTs around, I think they suck, wah, so lets nerf them so I can feel super duper again!"

Funny thing about these threads and complaints, they are coming from the same sort of people who at 75 never took BSTs around anywhere because they thought they were gimp and underpowered compared to other DD's (which was in reality an equal load of crap as suggesting they are overpowered now when there is simply very little difference in the job aside from the move toward almost exclusive use of jug pets). Can't have it both ways, cupcakes.

Listen to this man. +1.


Years ago when we were excluded from everything due to, well, everything about our job we had to take care of business by ourselves. Now at 99 cap nothing at all has changed for us in the PR department, except now people generally regard us as jerks for existing in the same zone as them. I'll never understand the animosity, but it probably has something to do with my nasty habit of snagging unclaimed NMs at 1% from noob alliances and laughing all the way to the bank.

[Glamdring]

That's not specific to you, but the concept of this entire thread. There's just no point to this thread other than "I don't like all these BSTs around, I think they suck, wah, so lets nerf them so I can feel super duper again!"

Funny thing about these threads and complaints, they are coming from the same sort of people who at 75 never took BSTs around anywhere because they thought they were gimp and underpowered compared to other DD's (which was in reality an equal load of crap as suggesting they are overpowered now when there is simply very little difference in the job aside from the move toward almost exclusive use of jug pets). Can't have it both ways, cupcakes.

my hero!

I'm a career beast myself. I levelled it because I didn't have the patience to wait LFP in the old days, pre level sync and all, and I loved it from day 1. I leveled it solo all the way to 75 as bst/brd because of elvan MP... and probably some deep-seated masochistic tendancies. I succeeded. It took a LONG time. I got to know the ins and outs of the job VERY well. I've survived multiple nerfs and kept going. I put up with being shut out of all end-game group content until I levelled my bard so I could do that too. My way of playing the game has gotten me a wonderful reputation AS A PERSON amongst other players on the server. Although my beast was often able to "out-do" other players on certain content, this was attributed to my being good at the job.

It does sadden me to see my favorite job's reputation getting tarnished by poorly skilled band-wagon beasts; my consolation is that the same thing has happened to almost every other job. The issue isn't that beast has gotten strong, it's that the prey has gotten weak. SE went in a direction that almost every job should be a solo power-house, so a job like beast, pup, smn and the like that already were power-houses seem to be even moreso. Strange, there's still plenty that beast can't solo-at least in any meaningful way. !! proc systems are murder on this job. Sure, we can pet proc in Dynamis but it's not reliable; my prey is usually dead with at most 1 attempt from my pet because the prey is so damn weak. I actually prefer pup there because I can proc all 3 varieties.

I can solo +2 drop mobs in Aby. BFD!!! I have to use another job to get pops because with beast I have virtually no chance to get KI pop items since I can't proc more than 2% of the time. Of course, even if I DO kill the mob, it isn't procced, so my drops are crap. VW? who cares, there are no drops in VW as near as I can tell. Point of fact, the later end-game stuff is just a drain on my gil balance to keep in jugs/food. And I'd like my damn inventory back if anyone from SE reads this!!!

This job has enough negative issues without haters trying to weaken it because they don't want to level it themselves. I LOATHE playing ninja, I have never once requested it be nerfed, quite the contrary, I advocate for its skills to be broadened. I advocate for rng to have its damage calc scaled back up to the old days when they were on par with blms as they were meant to be.

Save the job, beef the prey!

[Natenn]

ppl just mad cause they don't wanna have to actually play the job.

[Ragmar]

People just mad they can't solo like a beast ... cwutididthere.

[Luvbunny]

ppl just mad cause they don't wanna have to actually play the job.

Yeah I can say the same thing about every bandwagon jobs out there. Abysea pretty much open the flood gate of bandwagon jobs, any jobs that is on demand and popular, BAM, the whole village would level it. Stop complaining and bitching of things you have no ideas, and maybe you should try to level the job to 99 and actually KNOW how to play it before asking for nerf. The amount of band wagon crappy players with level 99 jobs are overwhelming, let's not forget the amount of bandwagon Paladins as well, why not ask for a nerf to these so called bandwagon Paladin first.

Jug pets are beast consumable weapon, get that in your thick head. It is their weapon - their main bread and butter. Asking it to be nerfed is like me asking for Aegis and Ochain to be nerfed as well based on your shield skills, with 0 skill will active ZERO reduction on anything, and zero effectiveness of cover job ability, meaning you cover nothing with zero shield skill.

And before you yapping for another complaint, here is another thing you should know, as a blm + whm + rdm, using scholar sub, by activating the corresponding dark and light arts, I can get a max 350ish healing magic or elemental magic skill (enfeebling or dark magic) EVEN IF MY ORIGINAL MAGIC SKILL IS AT ZERO. Seems a bit over powered don't you think, considering every other bandwagon aby jobs will get their skills quite high to land spells just by activating the corresponding arts. Yet no one complaints, because why? it does exactly what the sub job needs to do.

[ProfessorD]

There is one thing that this thread has shown me. It is that you know who the true bst are and who dont have any idea or clue about how the job really is and the joy it can bring you if done right.

[Natenn]

Yeah I can say the same thing about every bandwagon jobs out there. Abysea pretty much open the flood gate of bandwagon jobs, any jobs that is on demand and popular, BAM, the whole village would level it. Stop complaining and bitching of things you have no ideas, and maybe you should try to level the job to 99 and actually KNOW how to play it before asking for nerf. The amount of band wagon crappy players with level 99 jobs are overwhelming, let's not forget the amount of bandwagon Paladins as well, why not ask for a nerf to these so called bandwagon Paladin first.

Jug pets are beast consumable weapon, get that in your thick head. It is their weapon - their main bread and butter. Asking it to be nerfed is like me asking for Aegis and Ochain to be nerfed as well based on your shield skills, with 0 skill will active ZERO reduction on anything, and zero effectiveness of cover job ability, meaning you cover nothing with zero shield skill.

And before you yapping for another complaint, here is another thing you should know, as a blm + whm + rdm, using scholar sub, by activating the corresponding dark and light arts, I can get a max 350ish healing magic or elemental magic skill (enfeebling or dark magic) EVEN IF MY ORIGINAL MAGIC SKILL IS AT ZERO. Seems a bit over powered don't you think, considering every other bandwagon aby jobs will get their skills quite high to land spells just by activating the corresponding arts. Yet no one complaints, because why? it does exactly what the sub job needs to do.

My jobs are all 99, and jugs are stronger then the master by a huge margin. Needs to be nerfed. And 3/5 jobs i have geared are solo jobs and better then BST.

[FrankReynolds]

My jobs are all 99, and jugs are stronger then the master by a huge margin. Needs to be nerfed. And 3/5 jobs i have geared are solo jobs and better then BST.

So you have 3 other jobs that should be nerfed first. Go complain about them then first.

[Mavrick]

My jobs are all 99, and jugs are stronger then the master by a huge margin. Needs to be nerfed. And 3/5 jobs i have geared are solo jobs and better then BST.

You've just thrown away any ounce of credibility you and this thread ever had (if any). There should be doubt in anyone's mind now. Your sir are a troll. This entire thread is just a enormous flame bait.

[Natenn]

You've just thrown away any ounce of credibility you and this thread ever had (if any). There should be doubt in anyone's mind now. Your sir are a troll. This entire thread is just a enormous flame bait.

wow at ppl scared of the truth, BST pets have more HP then a galka MNK, hit almost as hard if not hard as a 2h DD, have pretty decent evasion, and can be cured every 1m? 90s? for just as much as cure 5 and 6. And you don't think it shouldn't be nerfed at all? pets like a fusion of MNK/THF/WAR with the bst spamming reward and stuff like a WHM. If you don't think thats not too OP yo are wrong.

[Luvbunny]

Yup he is a troll allright, with zero comprehension of what a beastmaster job is all about, if you read all of his posting is nothing but ranting and trolling the beastmaster job. Zero credibility whatsoever.

[Babekeke]

NIN/DNC can solo their own Kannagi. Must be over-powered! As can DRG/Mage if they know what they are doing!

However, the point is: Sure BST can solo just about anything. A 'naked BST that didn't even bother to learn about the job' can't. A BST that can solo just about anything has a ful pet -PDT set, -MDT set, Pet DD set and (wait for it...) yes a BST that wants to solo these really hard mobs will actually have a melee set. This is because a decent BST will actually be meleeing along side their pet, or on a mob with really dangerous AOE just running in to WS, and using snarl. A decent BST will have an idle set with a huge amount of auto-regen.

A naked BST isn't getting the most out of their reward.
A naked BST is going to take (even) longer to kill stuff.
A naked BST sucks.
A naked BST will often be seen sampling what the floor tastes like.

Sure a BST can solo most stuff, but it's not as easy as the OP makes it out to be, and what's more, it can take forever to do so.
A poor BST in our LS pretty much solo'd his own Masamune without asking anyone for help. He spent a lot of time online, and it still took him months. We only helped when we noticed we were in the same zone as him for whatever reason and spammed a few pops for him, or helped him out on procs.

Party of the right proc jobs/well-geared people is and always will be > BST solo.

BST solo is fine if you are in the (un?)fortunate position to be able to play more often than most of your friends, so you are online by yourself a lot, or just if you have no friends; but you're much better off asking friends to go along, let them lot whatever you don't need and get it out of the way as fast as you can.

[Camiie]

My jobs are all 99, and jugs are stronger then the master by a huge margin. Needs to be nerfed. And 3/5 jobs i have geared are solo jobs and better then BST.

Maybe the Abyssea haters are right, after all. Looks like any idiot CAN level everything to 99 and pump out all the Empyreans and Relics they want. You're much better evidence that it doesn't take brainpower to get through FFXI than a naked BST soloing old content is.

[FrankReynolds]

Maybe the Abyssea haters are right, after all. Looks like any idiot CAN level everything to 99 and pump out all the Empyreans and Relics they want. You're much better evidence that it doesn't take brainpower to get through FFXI than a naked BST soloing old content is.

Sad but true.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

wow at ppl scared of the truth, BST pets have more HP then a galka MNK, hit almost as hard if not hard as a 2h DD, have pretty decent evasion, and can be cured every 1m? 90s? for just as much as cure 5 and 6. And you don't think it shouldn't be nerfed at all? pets like a fusion of MNK/THF/WAR with the bst spamming reward and stuff like a WHM. If you don't think thats not too OP yo are wrong.

lol, quoted for how bad a liar you are.

[Luvbunny]

Yeah, he really has no clue at all, there is no way a naked beast can solo everything, even a decently geared beast has trouble keeping pet alive fighting NMs in abyssea. Only a select few NMs where beast has little trouble keeping pet alive, for most of the majority, you really have to geared well and spent time making -pdt axes, multiple sets too, which forced you to level your axes. As well as completing some of the mini add ons missions. Even then 75 seconds is eternity when certain NMs go absolutely crazy at 25% and can tear through pet very easily. No way naked beast will succeed.

These beast haters pretty much jealous over two things, that bandwagon beasts can farm dynamis, and that the same bandwagon beasts can solo a few of the bcnms. One in particular is for mnk black belt, that's about it.

[Natenn]

Yup he is a troll allright, with zero comprehension of what a beastmaster job is all about, if you read all of his posting is nothing but ranting and trolling the beastmaster job. Zero credibility whatsoever.

Now, now, personal attacks just because you don't want your training wheels taken away. Learn to play the game and gear jobs/put effort into them, even if they don't nerf it Seekers of Andoulin is based on Lv99, BSts will be put back in their place by then at the latest since "endgame" will no longer be 75 based solo content. All i see is bunch of BSTs crying because they dont wanna go back to being where they belong: with PUP and DRG. And lol at ppl trying to defend BST by bringing up how other jobs perform in abyssea, its ABYSSEA everyones OP in aby since that is its purpopse. Bring up a valid arguement from someone more credible then a bunch of abyssea boomers who cant function outside abyssea or VW with anything other then BST on content over 75. I've been playing since NA release and im well aware of game mechanics, BST is gonna go back down its just a matter of when, i just wanna spur the process along faster, :)

[SpankWustler]

To put the success of this troll thread in terms of kittens, a picture of Captain Fluffs sleeping has taken over Google Image Search. Even searches using the names of adult film stars just turn up images of Captain Fluffs with those names as captions.

To put the success of this troll thread in terms of super-villains, it already took over the earth a year ago. We are all working on a ten-mile-high monument to its evil crotch right now. Not because the super-villain is obsessed with his or her crotch, but because all other evil monuments to evil stuff have been completed years before the set date in the evil timetable.

The combination Adolf Hitler Mustache Museum and Dismembered Kitten Mausoleum was installed in Jerusalem last Tuesday, six months ahead of schedule because the terror of the slaves outweighed their disgust by several orders of magnitude.

To put the success of this troll thread in terms of cutesy bakeries, there is a currently a cupcake the size of the moon orbiting the earth right now. People are taking trips to it on a rocket-ship just for one bite each. The space cupcake tastes more delicious than heaven itself.

To put the success of this troll thread in terms of pancreatic cancer, your mom is dead.

For better or worse, though, this is just a troll thread and success just means a bunch of banal posts.

It is pretty ridiculous that at least one person has opted to climb on board this troll train seriously, rather than just claiming stuff with yellow names or accidentally leaving another Notorious Monster in a bad spot or something.

People who are bad at Final Fantasy XI soloing stuff badly is one of the few issues a bro can fix with his or her own two hands. Try it. It is cathartic.

[Skillgannon]

uh idk where u get ur info but im a well geared bst and vrtra's pets very much so attacked my pet i get so sick of hearing u baby whine about bst. i leveled mine the hard way back in the day in caedarva mire so maybe recheck ur info b4 u cry in public :P.

[Skillgannon]

pump out all u want lmao. yea if u got years to devote to a fake weapon so sad.

[Luvbunny]

Now, now, personal attacks just because you don't want your training wheels taken away. Learn to play the game and gear jobs/put effort into them, even if they don't nerf it Seekers of Andoulin is based on Lv99, BSts will be put back in their place by then at the latest since "endgame" will no longer be 75 based solo content. All i see is bunch of BSTs crying because they dont wanna go back to being where they belong: with PUP and DRG. And lol at ppl trying to defend BST by bringing up how other jobs perform in abyssea, its ABYSSEA everyones OP in aby since that is its purpopse.

Then stop being a hypocrite, most endgame content nowadays ARE NOT solo content, naked beast cannot do these and will not win them. They barely get invite as it is now. And let's be honest really, we all know your reason posting this are dynamis farm, where most perle gear beast took over your camp. No need being an idiot here and keep posting idiotic opinion.

[Komori]

What's really sad is he keeps claiming to have played since NA release but apparently perle BSTs can make him this angry. Perhaps he's just upset that he's dedicated so many years of his life to this game to still suck compared to someone who just bought the game months ago and leeched up. If a BST is taking over your camp; your so bad and overpowered. You should easily be able to kill faster and run them out.

[Natenn]

What's really sad is he keeps claiming to have played since NA release but apparently perle BSTs can make him this angry. Perhaps he's just upset that he's dedicated so many years of his life to this game to still suck compared to someone who just bought the game months ago and leeched up. If a BST is taking over your camp; your so bad and overpowered. You should easily be able to kill faster and run them out.

you don't even know me so your opinion on me holds no water, im tired of idiots who bandwagoned BST acting all high and mighty like just being on BST makes them so good when it doesn't. It just disgusts me to see so many QQers on here mad bc an OPAI is their only claim to fame.

[Natenn]

pump out all u want lmao. yea if u got years to devote to a fake weapon so sad.

prime example, and what are you talking about when you say fake weapon?

[Komori]

I never said that I feel almighty because I have BST leveled. I don't do Dynamis and even when I do; I tend to go on PUP and THF now. Your the only one here with an inflated ego about how you think the game should be.

[ProfessorD]

I know how to settle it. Next update will have new weapons useable by every job.

Nerf Bats 2 hand weapon.
use on party will lower all stats to 0 and all ppl surrounding them to 0 and raise mob levels to lv 500.

I think that will settle the nerf debate.

VIVA LA BUNNY!!!

[solodragon1984]

wow someone really want BST to get killed fast in dyna just so he'll laugh on his high-chair looking down on BST just cause he doesn't like BST

[solodragon1984]

I've leveled BST the old ways and BST only gets overpowered when you use the right pet when you can solo 3~5 mobs with that joke frog jug pet then BST needs alittle nerfing but like someone said bst is mostly soloing players so if you nerf us in dyna just cause we can solo 3~5 mobs your signing our death/fail run just to make you feel better

[solodragon1984]

Make reward recast longer!

Wow really? it is already 1min30sec recast timer and you want to make it longer? that'll affect every BST even ones NOT in dyna all the time so your gonna screw all BST just cause your jelling about BST beable to solo dyna or hard stuff with pets

[Shadowsong]

you don't even know me so your opinion on me holds no water, im tired of idiots who bandwagoned BST acting all high and mighty like just being on BST makes them so good when it doesn't. It just disgusts me to see so many QQers on here mad bc an OPAI is their only claim to fame.

Sooooo you Strawman argue for 16 pages, then pull out the "you dont know me" card? lol, dude, everyone here "knows you"
Cry and bitch all you want, its not going to change, and knowing it makes you so unreasonably angry brings me joy.

[solodragon1984]

Would you rather have beast master able to charm mobs again?? Would you? And rule dynamis with charmed mob, and pretty much wreak havoc in abysea if they can charm. They are stuck with jug pets, forever.... and have to pay through the roof for the good jug pets and pet food.

the answer is yep cause i'm guessing he's a crafter of the jug pets and want to be broke oops.. if they nerf bst he'll be broke after spending all his gil on FC,CWs

[solodragon1984]

You need to reevaluate what your sense of balance in a game is,

like it is underlined THIS IS A GAME soo stop complaining people about BST being over powered and needs be nerf or W/E this is ONLY AN GAME SO HUSH UP!!

[solodragon1984]

if you want to nerf BST in dyna by weakening the jug pets then why dont they add charmable mobs in both dyna and abyssea THEN only THEN it'll be equal dmg doesn't mean nothing just cause 1 BST's pet can solo 3+ mobs doesn't mean nothing why don't SE nerf war wait i know why they aren't cause most FC are the ones mostly running nerfsmacktalkingabout BST threads so we BST do NOT need nerf just cause we can solo 3+ mobs in dyna who cares this is a game and let people play W/E way they want to play if they want to do dyna naked fine let them be like Pamela anderson and play naked and take on 3+ mobs and sorry for the example of the name but this thread made me ticked off

[Meyi]

No, leave Beastmaster alone. It's struggled for the last eight years; let it have a year or two of glory.

[solodragon1984]

No, leave Beastmaster alone. It's struggled for the last eight years; let it have a year or two of glory.

AGREED! leave we beastmasters alone and stop trying to nerf us when we use BEAST as our pets... OMG!! i got what our name means BEAST MASTER meaning mastery over beast so duhhhhhh of course the jug pets would be strong BUT only if you merit that one G2 merit trait on the jug pet lvl boost but it only works up to 99 i think the trait is ever 1 merit= 1 extra jug pet lvl so if the jug is 76 it'll be like 81

[Calamity]

you don't even know me so your opinion on me holds no water, im tired of idiots who bandwagoned BST acting all high and mighty like just being on BST makes them so good when it doesn't. It just disgusts me to see so many QQers on here mad bc an OPAI is their only claim to fame.

The thing is, I'm not so sure if any of those idiots are here. Seems to me the majority of the people here arguing with you are the real deal, not bandwagons. And don't try to say again that you have no issue with the serious bsts, because this is an assault on all bsts, not just the bandwagons, and we will defend our rights to exist.

[ProfessorD]

I think someone got upset that they got out-tanked by a bunny.


VIVA LA BUNNY!!!

[Cyranda]

No, leave Beastmaster alone. It's struggled for the last eight years; let it have a year or two of glory.

Well, sort of glory. Just like PUP and DNC, it's still only glorious in one or two non-end game events. If anything, those jobs should keep what they have and be made more viable for end game. Why on Vana'diel would you nerf a job that is already something that's only good at a couple of things?

[Meyi]

Well, sort of glory. Just like PUP and DNC, it's still only glorious in one or two non-end game events. If anything, those jobs should keep what they have and be made more viable for end game. Why on Vana'diel would you nerf a job that is already something that's only good at a couple of things?

Pretty much every job is only good for one or two events. Only a few jobs are wanted for the majority of events. I'd rather Beastmaster have one or two happy places where they shine that isn't solo EXP.

[SNK]

To put the success of this troll thread in terms of kittens, a picture of Captain Fluffs sleeping has taken over Google Image Search. Even searches using the names of adult film stars just turn up images of Captain Fluffs with those names as captions.

To put the success of this troll thread in terms of super-villains, it already took over the earth a year ago. We are all working on a ten-mile-high monument to its evil crotch right now. Not because the super-villain is obsessed with his or her crotch, but because all other evil monuments to evil stuff have been completed years before the set date in the evil timetable.

The combination Adolf Hitler Mustache Museum and Dismembered Kitten Mausoleum was installed in Jerusalem last Tuesday, six months ahead of schedule because the terror of the slaves outweighed their disgust by several orders of magnitude.

To put the success of this troll thread in terms of cutesy bakeries, there is a currently a cupcake the size of the moon orbiting the earth right now. People are taking trips to it on a rocket-ship just for one bite each. The space cupcake tastes more delicious than heaven itself.

To put the success of this troll thread in terms of pancreatic cancer, your mom is dead.

For better or worse, though, this is just a troll thread and success just means a bunch of banal posts.

It is pretty ridiculous that at least one person has opted to climb on board this troll train seriously, rather than just claiming stuff with yellow names or accidentally leaving another Notorious Monster in a bad spot or something.

People who are bad at Final Fantasy XI soloing stuff badly is one of the few issues a bro can fix with his or her own two hands. Try it. It is cathartic.

I swear everytime you post, I can't help but enjoy my time on these forums. It's cathartic.

P.S. I'm a career BST and while I understand the hate of bandwagoning BSTs, it's pretty pointless seeing as it's not the only job that has bandwagon'd when it got popular. The only reason you never saw these shitty-geared BSTs years ago because they were out there soloing and not in parties where SAMs, DRGs, and WARs were easier to spot because well.... they were there.

I don't give a whole lot of fucks about this arguement. Even if BST gets nerfed I'll still play the job. *mid-air wank

[Dalan]

Don't have to NERF Bst do it yourself if you think it's over powered

Use a Chopseuy CHuckie and make a mule you can lvl sync 75 too and go kill stuff

[Teraniku]

The thing is, I'm not so sure if any of those idiots are here. Seems to me the majority of the people here arguing with you are the real deal, not bandwagons. And don't try to say again that you have no issue with the serious bsts, because this is an assault on all bsts, not just the bandwagons, and we will defend our rights to exist.

My BST is only lvl 12 but I have a few friends who are BSTs but don't post here. I'm defending them. lol

[Demon6324236]

The thing is, I'm not so sure if any of those idiots are here. Seems to me the majority of the people here arguing with you are the real deal, not bandwagons. And don't try to say again that you have no issue with the serious bsts, because this is an assault on all bsts, not just the bandwagons, and we will defend our rights to exist.

I presented an idea which would not hurt real BSTs only leechers, still not good enough for people, so no, doesn't matter either, way. I stopped because people are just fighting to fight now.

[geekgirl101]

Maybe it does need a bit of a tweek to make it in line with all other jobs that are capable of soloing higher level mobs without being ridiculously too easy. But I'm not a bst so what do I know. :P

[Camiie]

I presented an idea which would not hurt real BSTs only leechers, still not good enough for people, so no, doesn't matter either, way. I stopped because people are just fighting to fight now.

Some of us would prefer that no one be "hurt" and simply disagree with the concept of nerfing BST entirely. There's not a problem here that needs fixing.


Maybe it does need a bit of a tweek to make it in line with all other jobs that are capable of soloing higher level mobs without being ridiculously too easy.

It doesn't need a tweak, because it isn't as mindlessly easy as they claim it is.


But I'm not a bst so what do I know. :P

And therein lies the problem. People who've never played the job and don't understand it in the slightest are asking for a change that they don't even know how to implement. I just hope SE sees them for the ignorant trolls they are, and doesn't take their "concerns" the least bit seriously.

[Calamity]

I presented an idea which would not hurt real BSTs only leechers, still not good enough for people, so no, doesn't matter either, way. I stopped because people are just fighting to fight now.

Actually you I gave credit to for at least trying. Even though I'm not sure about your idea, at least the effort was there. My response was actually very specifically aimed at Natenn

[Xilk]

wow. bst is fine the way it is. learn more about what other jobs can do and stop wasting your energy...

To all the bst in this thread. Please stop feeding the trolls.
The job is not broken. It is balanced just fine. Let this thread die.

[Xilk]

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[CapriciousOne]

You already leveled it to 99. If it's so overpowered get off your <Rear> and take advantage of it. Wouldn't that be the smart thing to do as opposed to asking for nerfs?

Well one could argue the same thing about Red Mage in the pre-75 days when people kept crying it was over powered and look at it now. I wish somebody gave this advice about Red Mage back then and maybe it would have the issues it has now.

My only issue with pet jobs like BST/SMN/PUP and other jobs like BLM is when selfish people are farming multiple mobs that I'm trying to gain experience from. I think there should be some sort of npc attack power spike after a certain number of mobs to discourage this behaviour myself, but I dont expect SE to have the balls to do anything of that nature.

[Camiie]

My only issue with pet jobs like BST/SMN/PUP and other jobs like BLM is when selfish people are farming multiple mobs that I'm trying to gain experience from. I think there should be some sort of npc attack power spike after a certain number of mobs to discourage this behaviour myself, but I dont expect SE to have the balls to do anything of that nature.

That would be a tough thing to implement without doing more harm than good.

[FrankReynolds]

That would be a tough thing to implement without doing more harm than good.

They could probably just make it so that it only happens when the mobs have actually taken damage. Maybe add one or two other rules, but the reality is that the claim system pretty much deals with this already. Yellow = free :)

[Demon6324236]

See myself I don't take them if they are yellow, I take mobs if they are roaming. The reason being because I see anyone who would take a group of mobs all to themselves as greedy assholes and by taking anything that is just yellow named myself I look at it as also being greedy. The game itself is flawed in the claim system and how it works and many people know that, the fact that people can be greedy like this in the 1st place is the primary flaw in my opinion as it should not be able to be done in the 1st place.

[Caketime]

I only take yellow mobs from people who take mobs from me when I'm changing pets or kiting. Or if they wait until I use Fight to snag mobs from under me repeatedly and laugh about it. I appreciate courtesy just as much as the next person and will give anyone else around me room to operate so long as they give me that same courtesy. The moment that's broken though, I stop being nice and will call up buddies to lock down the area and troll the offending douche bag until they give up and go home.

[CapriciousOne]

That would be a tough thing to implement without doing more harm than good.

Well not really since the average not pet job can only manage about 2 or 3 mobs at or near it level before being completely overpowered anyway so more than 2 or 3 mobs would be the determining factor as solo even with significantly lower level mobs the average non pet job rarely pulls more than 3 from what i seen.


They could probably just make it so that it only happens when the mobs have actually taken damage. Maybe add one or two other rules, but the reality is that the claim system pretty much deals with this already. Yellow = free :)

While it is true the claim system does deal with this, the issue is that it doesnt necessarily deal with it effectively, especially when AoE attack moves are being used to get the person on those yellow mobs hate list. This especially done alot with BLM and SMN if they now what they are doing and cycle between ga and ja spells effectively. It proves more difficult to gain hate even on a yellow mob if a magic attack deals over 1000 damage depsite it not being red. Even still if you mange to get or even kill the mob while it yellow, if memory serves correctly you dont get the exp for that mob or it is reduced.

[CapriciousOne]

I only take yellow mobs from people who take mobs from me when I'm changing pets or kiting. Or if they wait until I use Fight to snag mobs from under me repeatedly and laugh about it. I appreciate courtesy just as much as the next person and will give anyone else around me room to operate so long as they give me that same courtesy. The moment that's broken though, I stop being nice and will call up buddies to lock down the area and troll the offending douche bag until they give up and go home.

See it is this attitude that is the problem to me. When it comes to doing magian trials that already take along time or when I'm trying to level up my fellow while doing my trials this is a major inconvenience especially when my fellow on has X amount of time or during trials that require weather that only last so long. The fact is as more of us level up to 99 there are only so many areas that have mobs of certain types in exp range, let alone in exp range in areas that give the desired weather effect they need to be killed under. This is all the more reason that maybe the mobs need to take on abyssea form and respawn at higher levels proportionate the number of mobs killed. For instance, If you kill 5- 10 mobs in less than 10 mins and they are level 55-58 they should respawn between levels 60-63 to 65-68. With this implemented there will come a point where even you and your friends will be overwhelmed and eventually wipe. Essentially with things the way they are there is very litlte risk involved for pet jobs in pulling multiple mobs at once like there is non pet jobs and that needs to be addressed.

[Demon6324236]

Cake is saying it would be ok if people are already being dickheads. If your being decent, then no need to do such a thing but if your going to be an asshole about things then you should expect it in return, and depending on the person you fuck with, you can expect it in force.

[Caketime]

See it is this attitude that is the problem to me. When it comes to doing magian trials that already take along time or when I'm trying to level up my fellow while doing my trials this is a major inconvenience especially when my fellow on has X amount of time or during trials that require weather that only last so long. The fact is as more of us level up to 99 there are only so many areas that have mobs of certain types in exp range, let alone in exp range in areas that give the desired weather effect they need to be killed under. This is all the more reason that maybe the mobs need to take on abyssea form and respawn at higher levels proportionate the number of mobs killed. For instance, If you kill 5- 10 mobs in less than 10 mins and they are level 55-58 they should respawn between levels 60-63 to 65-68. With this implemented there will come a point where even you and your friends will be overwhelmed and eventually wipe. Essentially with things the way they are there is very litlte risk involved for pet jobs in pulling multiple mobs at once like there is non pet jobs and that needs to be addressed.

I understand that people have trials to do and various other things, I was just saying I don't condone asshole behavior, and if I experience it from anyone I do what I can to make sure their whole day is ruined. Pay it forward, or whatever.

Increased spawns may inspire others to not troll BST when their pets decide to path like retards, so I'd support that. Then I'd have no reason to be a butt to anyone. :3

[CapriciousOne]

I understand that people have trials to do and various other things, I was just saying I don't condone asshole behavior, and if I experience it from anyone I do what I can to make sure their whole day is ruined. Pay it forward, or whatever.

Increased spawns may inspire others to not troll BST when their pets decide to path like retards, so I'd support that. Then I'd have no reason to be a butt to anyone. :3

Ok fair enough and I agree you should give back as well as you recieve and will never argue that point. I look at it from the standpoint that in every zone, for each mob type there spawns only so many of that type as is and they spawn every so many minutes. If according to the wiki there is only say 5 leeches in the area and they spawn on 15 minute timers dont go killing all 5 with your pet if you see there other ppl trying to work on that mob as well. For me it really is all about consideration of others and nothing more. If i know there is only a few of those mobs in the are and I see some pet job hording most of them, then yes i will try to pick off one of whatever isnt purple when possible bc the mobs are for everybody not just them. If you all alone in a certain section of zone fine but when you clearly see somebody else there it dont hurt to be kind and share is all i'm saying. For me and my experiences though Black Mages/ Summoners are far worst than Beastmasters/Puppetmastes in this behavior with there tier 2/3 -ga and ancient magic as well as -ja spells.

[Deveron]

Every job has had it's time of being "Overpowerd" let bst have fun while they can.

[Minikom]

the problem isnt the BST job, problem is the person behide PC, Xbox or PS2, i have done dynamis on bst and usually try to be nice to others not grabbing more 1 mob at time (if there more ppl around), talk about links is diferent, specially if mobs link to master and not pet or if mobs agroo to master. howevever i have seen plds with Ochain and sub dnc pulling a bunch of mobs (taking a whole family of mobs) and taking to a corner so doing A edge, how we deal with those ochain plds, what should do ppl, come and ask nerf Ochian? not the asnwer.
problem is the person behide of PC, Xbox or PS2, not the job, lets undertand this and stop the blame/complain about all bsts.

[Caketime]

Every BST player is a ghoul irl. Flesh eating, the whole bit. Let's not talk about how irresponsible it is to blame one group of people for a social issue while ignoring the shenanigans of literally everyone else, because that would imply that we are capable of intelligent discourse.

[CapriciousOne]

the problem isnt the BST job, problem is the person behide PC, Xbox or PS2, i have done dynamis on bst and usually try to be nice to others not grabbing more 1 mob at time (if there more ppl around), talk about links is diferent, specially if mobs link to master and not pet or if mobs agroo to master. howevever i have seen plds with Ochain and sub dnc pulling a bunch of mobs (taking a whole family of mobs) and taking to a corner so doing A edge, how we deal with those ochain plds, what should do ppl, come and ask nerf Ochian? not the asnwer.
problem is the person behide of PC, Xbox or PS2, not the job, lets undertand this and stop the blame/complain about all bsts.

Ok point taken I couldnt agree more with you that it is the person behind the job. The problem is however this is a BST complaint thread and in many instances the people that I've experience these problems with were BST, SMN, BLM, and occasionally PUP. Overall though I did suggest a level/attack spike for more than 3 mobs linked or attacked at once as a way to discourage this behavior for all jobs not just BST. I feel it can easily be done by having some mechanism check each mobs hate list and see if one name is on more than 3 mobs, if so add x amount attack, evasion, defense, level, and be done with it. Its as simple as that to me.

[Nawesemo]

Step one: find evil bst training all specific mobs.

Step two: sleepga all of said evil bsts trained mobs.

Step three: manawall. Manafont. Destroy bsts trained mobs.

Step four: wait for the evil nice bst to pull for you again.

Step five: sleepga next pull, ....log.

Step six: rinse repete.


Not a solution for everyone, but was fun for me. (Note this is not a good farming method, but is a good stress reliever)

[Sarick]

Step one: find evil bst training all specific mobs.

Step two: sleepga all of said evil bsts trained mobs.

Step three: manawall. Manafont. Destroy bsts trained mobs.

Step four: wait for the evil nice bst to pull for you again.

Step five: sleepga next pull, ....log.

Step six: rinse repete.


Not a solution for everyone, but was fun for me. (Note this is not a good farming method, but is a good stress reliever)


Very nice, if you can't beat them join them.

[Waldrich]

Kinda unfair BST pets are mindlessly overpowered nowadays don't you agree? I mean you just be naked sit back and spam reward and solo grand wyrms w/o having to put effort into learning the job or actually spend time gearing it. Not saying make it to where BST use to be (useless at 75 just about) but you shouldn't be able to solo with a job 95% of the player base leeched up via FC partys and not put any time into learning or gearing it. Just a thought, its pretty disheartening seeing poorly geared or naked beastmasters being able to solo things like vrtra which is glitched as is since the undead vrtra summons will not attack the pets. DEVs should make it so BSTs have to work on learning the job and have to put time into gearing it.

It'll be overpowered if they can solo NM's when Seekers of Adoulin come out. other than that it's a job useless killing super easy mobs for super old content,

[Sarick]

It'll be overpowered if they can solo NM's when Seekers of Adoulin come out. other than that it's a job useless killing super easy mobs for super old content,

I think the biggest hate comes from bst being able to hold hate with multiple UNCLAIMED enemies. This allows them to horde mobs. Unless players can instantly pull hate the bst pet can reclaim them breaking their combat locks.

This could probably be reworked by making the enemy hate degrade faster for each new enemy the pet attacks. So if the pet has hate on 10 enemies they get less hate and lose more for each one they're engaged with. Basically making all the enemies share the hate degradation at the same time.

It was never about how unfairly they got treasure hunter it was about the conflict of GREED and the bad karma behind it.

The result was people looking for ways to NERF beastmaster in a vengeful manner so they complained about treasure hunter until SE gave them their way. People will always hate on good things if they feel left out or it gets in the way of their agendas.

The treasure hunter nerf is a prime example of this.

[Sarick]

Kinda unfair BST pets are mindlessly overpowered nowadays don't you agree? I mean you just be naked sit back and spam reward and solo grand wyrms w/o having to put effort into learning the job or actually spend time gearing it. Not saying make it to where BST use to be (useless at 75 just about) but you shouldn't be able to solo with a job 95% of the player base leeched up via FC partys and not put any time into learning or gearing it. Just a thought, its pretty disheartening seeing poorly geared or naked beastmasters being able to solo things like vrtra which is glitched as is since the undead vrtra summons will not attack the pets. DEVs should make it so BSTs have to work on learning the job and have to put time into gearing it.

Back in the LVL 75 days a well geared PLD could super tank the Divine Might with just a single WHM healer.. Did that make the job over powered? Heck no people still talk LOL PLD for most of the content. A wel geared PLD can take a beating but other limits on the class screw it in a lot of situations. It's the same with beastmaster or any job for that fact. Just because you're PO about the BST doing things other jobs can't don't rag on them. There are things the other jobs can do that they can't.

[Psxpert2011]

O gawd, leave bst alone! Infact, make em more god-like than rdm, due to the ability to control nature itself all around Vanadiel. Beastmaster should be worshiped!

[CapriciousOne]

O gawd, leave bst alone! Infact, make em more god-like than rdm, due to the ability to control nature itself all around Vanadiel. Beastmaster should be worshiped!

beastmasters should be destroyed like the mobs they control LMAO

[Caketime]

Bitter Mage is bitter~

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Very nice, if you can't beat them join them.

Until you get reported and kicked out for bullying.

[Nawesemo]

Until you get reported and kicked out for bullying.

O.o killing convenient yellow mobs? Helping out poor defenseless bsts from a swarm of monsters, ...no,no,no I cannot let this happen, our hero Nawesemo must act.......... To be concluded.

[FrankReynolds]

O.o killing convenient yellow mobs? Helping out poor defenseless bsts from a swarm of monsters, ...no,no,no I cannot let this happen, our hero Nawesemo must act.......... To be concluded.

I like to help them out too. "sorry bro, thought you was dieing... me no speaky engrish..."

[Psxpert2011]

beastmasters should be destroyed like the mobs they control LMAO

Lol, I feel a bit of rivalry between Beastmaster and um, er Rdm?? The more more reason to love bst :P

[Legz]

Lol at all the BST's desperate attempt to justify their job. Oh bst is a solo job so it should be OP... Really?? The only thing OP is the pets. Way too much HP. I'm tired of watching idiots stand there and spam reward. That takes 0 skill. Takes 0 Gear. 0 Skilling.

Its just plain stupid. So all you BSTs can get pissed. You know your pets are too strong and you dont want it to change. You like that you dont have to do shit to win.

You kill so slow. wasting ppls time while you SLOWLY kill something that you have no business fighting. Spamming reward. Congratulations you are an inconsiderate tool.

Just the other day i had to wait 30 minutes for a bst to kill turul. No TH , no Blue Proc.

Just a looooong fight. Where nothing happened. The guy just stands there and watches his pet fight.

Even if reward had a longer recast. They could still do call beast > snarl.

Bst needs to be changed

[Leonardus]

I went to Abyssea to fight Turul but it was claimed! This one guy took way too long to kill it. It was a smn, or a dnc, or a blu, or a thf...maybe a bst. I dunno. But they need to be nerfed. No one has any business soloing in my Abysseaz.

Oh, this complaint again.

[Caketime]

Lol at all the BST's desperate attempt to justify their job. Oh bst is a solo job so it should be OP... Really?? The only thing OP is the pets. Way too much HP. I'm tired of watching idiots stand there and spam reward. That takes 0 skill. Takes 0 Gear. 0 Skilling.

Its just plain stupid. So all you BSTs can get pissed. You know your pets are too strong and you dont want it to change. You like that you dont have to do shit to win.

You kill so slow. wasting ppls time while you SLOWLY kill something that you have no business fighting. Spamming reward. Congratulations you are an inconsiderate tool.

Just the other day i had to wait 30 minutes for a bst to kill turul. No TH , no Blue Proc.

Just a looooong fight. Where nothing happened. The guy just stands there and watches his pet fight.

Even if reward had a longer recast. They could still do call beast > snarl.

Bst needs to be changed

*slow clap*

[Phogg]

Lol at all the BST's desperate attempt to justify their job. Oh bst is a solo job so it should be OP... Really?? The only thing OP is the pets. Way too much HP. I'm tired of watching idiots stand there and spam reward. That takes 0 skill. Takes 0 Gear. 0 Skilling.

Its just plain stupid. So all you BSTs can get pissed. You know your pets are too strong and you dont want it to change. You like that you dont have to do shit to win.

You kill so slow. wasting ppls time while you SLOWLY kill something that you have no business fighting. Spamming reward. Congratulations you are an inconsiderate tool.

Just the other day i had to wait 30 minutes for a bst to kill turul. No TH , no Blue Proc.

Just a looooong fight. Where nothing happened. The guy just stands there and watches his pet fight.

Even if reward had a longer recast. They could still do call beast > snarl.

Bst needs to be changed

Because BST is the only job that can solo mobs slower than a party would (looks at NIN, DNC, THF, PLD, RDM etc etc etc etc).

BTW, if BST is so overpowered, try replacing a traditional DD zerg party with all BSTs and see how that works out for yah. I know, I tried in legion. It doesn't work. If a BST is a DD job, they are in no way shape or form even remotely close to being overpowered. All we have here is a bunch of people complaining about Dynamis or NM soloing as if those two thing define the entire job. Well, seeing as they are not any longer on par with other DD jobs, that might be true. But if anything, that means they need a buff, not a nerf, so they have something else to do.

[Mirage]

Let bst be good at what it is good at. It is a niche job, let it keep its niche.