So now that japan got a new real mmo out with PSO2, What going happen here?

[sc4500]

With phantasy star online 2 out and it free to play, and word on the internet the game is really good, and some what amazing that sega could pull it off.

Competition will always bring out the best of people and game companies, so what will square be doing in the next few months since the servers here are losing the japanese players now, since there switching over to that game like flies on a candy apple.

I see free to play elements finally coming to this game, and on FF14 and both them coming to the modern future of mmos, with the crystal payments systems that they got set up.

Crazy for the first time in along time tonight did not see one japanese shout in jueno.

Something is starting to happen and I hope it will be for the better and the japanese players will come back or square just goes global.

[Reiterpallasch]

PSO2 is going to kill FFXI.

Just like Aion, Rift, Star Wars, TERA, and FFXIV.

[cidbahamut]

I think if SE tried to make this game free to play they'd bungle it so hard the whole game would just go under.

[Trisscar]

PSO2 is going to kill FFXI.

Just like Aion, Rift, Star Wars, TERA, and FFXIV.



For a game that has been "killed off" by at least 5 different games, FFxi seems to be alive and well.

You fail at failing. Please go back and try again, do not pass go, do not collect 200 Gil.

[Arukia]

Totally missed the sarcasm there Triss. And I doubt this game will go F2P anytime soon 300k subscription is still a hefty amount of dough.

[Camiie]

For a game that has been "killed off" by at least 5 different games, FFxi seems to be alive and well.

You fail at failing. Please go back and try again, do not pass go, do not collect 200 Gil.

He was being sarcastic. And yeah I don't think PSO2 will destroy FFXI. It'd be nice if the added competition in the JP market provided some incentive and inspiration to our devs, but my gut tells me nothing's going to change for us due to PSO2's release.

[Trisscar]

Totally missed the sarcasm there Triss. And I doubt this game will go F2P anytime soon 300k subscription is still a hefty amount of dough.

Ah, sorry about that. Poe's Law hard at work.

[Karbuncle]

Yah, that was a hilarious fail. I honestly didn't think you could troll successfully with sarcasm not intended to be a troll. Good show though. o-o;

More on topic, Nothing is going to happen. FFXI will continue down the path it would have without the game coming out.

[Rosina]

honestly
I played some f2p games, it never ends well. You can end up paying more per mnth then you do a p2p mmo. Play make it free to play... BUT you got to pay to win. It turns into everything costing real money, like content updates, mounts, extra storage, gear, weapons, extra character options.

And from what I know of phantsy star, is their games are orpg. They have a single player campain mode, then an optional online mode. Where all you do is pick a lobby for your level, maybe gater a group then go do a quest in a field/dungeon area. then you get money and repeat.

Only time will tell though.... look at all those mmo out now... ppl said they was epic. Most went to "free to play" with in a year or two.

[Demon6324236]

And from what I know of phantsy star, is their games are orpg. They have a single player campain mode, then an optional online mode. Where all you do is pick a lobby for your level, maybe gater a group then go do a quest in a field/dungeon area. then you get money and repeat.

With how the game plays and works its really the other way around. Its a MMO with an optional Single Player.

[Cowardlybabooon]

Most of us who started FFXI 8 years ago in college or highschool have real jobs now and don't care about the 15 bucks. The expansion is their answer.

[Merton9999]

Most of us who started FFXI 8 years ago in college or highschool have real jobs now and don't care about the 15 bucks. The expansion is their answer.

Yep. F2P means nothing to me. If it isn't fun for the long term it's a waste of free time, which I care about more than money.

I'll still monitor where this goes though. I haven't yet found an MMO that holds my interest like FFXI. If a lot of friends start recommending it though I'd disappear for a few weeks to try it out, but most likely I'll just come back to XI.

[buritoslicer]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't already been locked, since the dev's don't like other game talk on these forums.

[svengalis]

PSO2 is going to kill FFXI.

Just like Aion, Rift, Star Wars, TERA, and FFXIV.

You forgot Diablo 3 and guild wars 2. Topic Creator have you not seen that they have announced a new exspansion?

[Rosina]

With how the game plays and works its really the other way around. Its a MMO with an optional Single Player.

i only played the PSU demo... and that sucked 360 infact shutting the servers down as they did sacred 2

[Demon6324236]

i only played the PSU demo... and that sucked 360 infact shutting the servers down as they did sacred 2

PSU will be losing its multiplayer soon for 360 yes. Point was that the game itself is built for its online now. I played the story for PSU 3 times and I can tell you, between story and extra mode the game was severely lacking in many ways. The story for PSU itself was actually only 1/3rd of it in the end. Because the other 2/3rds of the story were in the AoI expansion, which was only able to be played online. That is why I say it is a MMO with optional single player.

[Lollerblades]

How many of these threads have we seen now ?! FFXI isn't going anywhere anytime soon !

[Ronin]

Phantasy Star Online 2 isn't an MMORPG. It is a F2P co-op RPG. Why would someone unsub from a community based MMO like FFXI to play a FREE TO PLAY co-op RPG? That's like someone thinking people are going to unsub from FFXI to play the next Halo or CoD. (lol)

"I see free to play elements finally coming to this game, and on FF14 and both them coming to the modern future of mmos, with the crystal payments systems that they got set up. "

Yeah, that's nonsense. Are you drunk posting?

[0nionKn1ght]

Same thing that happens with every other MMo release, very little. People aren't out looking to keep starting again in these games. Most players are quite happy being settled here.

I will never understand this mentality of "Another game is coming, this one is doomed!!!".

McDonalds and Burger King coexist harmoniously in the same cities and towns, why can't games too?

[MiniDiamond]

PSO2 will end up just like PSU. It'll last about 3years then people will get bored of it(Then about 2-3Years later. Itll shut Down.). FFXI isnt going anywhere, It will forever stay Tall and Strong. ^^

[Trisscar]

PSO2 will end up just like PSU. It'll last about 3years then people will get bored of it(Then about 2-3Years later. Itll shut Down.). FFXI isnt going anywhere, It will forever stay Tall and Strong. ^^

Indeed, FFxi seems to have survived SWOTOR (which was expected to be the new WoW).

Pity no one listened to me, I kept saying it would be DoA. From most people I've talk to it appears I was right.

[tyrantsyn]

Only thing that's going to kill this game is time and lack of support. I suppose if SE did another MMO with the same type of job system as XI that could help it to it's demise as well. But that's never been SE style.

[scaevola]

honestly
I played some f2p games, it never ends well. You can end up paying more per mnth then you do a p2p mmo. Play make it free to play... BUT you got to pay to win. It turns into everything costing real money, like content updates, mounts, extra storage, gear, weapons, extra character options.


Then you haven't played very many good F2Ps!

That said, the only two games I've played that made F2P feel legitimate and a viable way to make money without being a naked carrotscam are LotRO and League of Legends, so it may be a bit beyond SE's ability.

[Catmato]

OMG FFXI is dieing!

[Demon6324236]

OMG FFXI is dieing!

I know right? Expansion = death!

[Rosina]

Then you haven't played very many good F2Ps!

That said, the only two games I've played that made F2P feel legitimate and a viable way to make money without being a naked carrotscam are LotRO and League of Legends, so it may be a bit beyond SE's ability.

lord of the rings online was actually a pay to play that went free to play.

LoL is actually just a online rts.... you pretty much do matches as set up characters and just you ur lil armys and "heros" to fight each other.

I'm talking pure free to play games like maple story, mabinogi etc etc. @ some point you gotta pay and content is SLOW to come out.

[svengalis]

PSO2 will end up just like PSU. It'll last about 3years then people will get bored of it(Then about 2-3Years later. Itll shut Down.). FFXI isnt going anywhere, It will forever stay Tall and Strong. ^^

^This has happened with every single PSO game. Soon the hackers will get in there and ruin it just like they have done with every other PSO game released.

[sc4500]

It 's cool we got a decent conversation going on and you all got a point and there all good , my point is right now at this time , my world is now at 1059 people when aybssea came out was at 5k to 6k players , and it was not long ago around 2k to 4k worth of people at japanese prime time, so i figured it was pso2 that took them away, been on game and seen the effects of wow wasn't much and the rest the mmos that are out there right now, just seems like something happening before are eyes. And the only game that came out there is pso2 that would have take them away it. heck even monster hunter didn't dent the servers like what happening now.

It could be how hard it is also to create a account under there square-enix system also If a person new or trying bring back there characters.

for those who do not know pso 2 is boarderlands (for those of us on the west) on steriods with 18 people fights like on this game with everything we been doing for last 10 yrs on this game with improve mechanics. Not the failure of psu. Just i see square is going need to do something drastic after 3 months if those players do not come back.

Last time i seen this drop off was when COP failed for most, and had 300 people on a day western side and 1k on japanese side this server and long before the server merges, but square saved it with Aht urhgan even though it was rush and had xbox users added soon after.

maybe I got the panic button on , but i like see this game last for another 10 years.

[Rosina]

@ sc

i've noticed a ton of ppl coming back, and most ppl left BECAUSE of abyssea. Also CoP was to alot of ppl the best expack of ffxi... the story was great the challange was great just the community didn't handle it well. This is when the community started to shift to what is going on today. PPl who play WoW started to come into this game and setting up the WoW rules of playing. Aka the "gear score" mindset. Most the vets who left went to ffxiv... And hate how ffxi is today claiming ppl are lazier now. And dislike what abyssea did to the ffxi community.

I personally do not care either way. I like the abyssea content personally. If you actually explore abby its pretty interesting. Much like being a lvl 30 trying to out run iron clad XD (which is fun).

tbh my best abby moment was I was a lvl 30 dncer going to chill with my pup friend as he was hunting for feet gear. I some how aggro'ed this mammoth nm thing (didn't even know I did) I get to my friend then 5 min later the mammoth shows up kills me then

[Rosina]

walks off like it cool kid. Me and my friend just sat on the 360 chat laughing out asses off.

tbh tho ppl come and go, sometimes come back. MMos are being released more often then they used to be. so the market is getting overkilled by them. I personally do not think this game is going anywhere.

And if it does its based off on the community and its attitude about how to play. I think if reverted back to some of the old school attitude about stuff... this game would be way more fun, and it would bring alot of ppl back.

cuz tbh... it ant fun having only book burn in 2 caves and 1 of 3 aby zones. then doing nithing BUT abbysea... I do miss the 6 man paties not for the "slow" grind... but simple fact is you saw the world. And it was roughly a new experience each time. now a days its too prefictable. just sit afk in a few zones and ur max lvl w/o doing much of anything... or just go in a party and kill stuff w.o really much thought on who you're with. You may as well be soloing.

[sc4500]

True Cop story was awsome for its time, but for those that worked or have family they never seen it till they uncapped it or if one the lucky ones that got into one the gil sellers linkshells or good friends linkshell that would let you go through it, as for the WOW stuff never matter on this game , you forgot this game was out long before WOW was out, it was the second mmo behind everquest at the time , and that was a game people use to compare it to , WOW just took the parts that people hated on this game and improved it to the casuals players, this game just stayed for hardcore players. as for new players coming to game yes they show up once they got a friend to help them get a account if they can get it to work.

[MiniDiamond]

Indeed, FFxi seems to have survived SWOTOR (which was expected to be the new WoW).

Pity no one listened to me, I kept saying it would be DoA. From most people I've talk to it appears I was right.

I believe FFXI will last for atlease another 10years, also Predict getting another "abby" like add-on. Not Abby, but more Battlefield add-ons. ^^



^This has happened with every single PSO game. Soon the hackers will get in there and ruin it just like they have done with every other PSO game released.

Excatly. Plus Sega of America hates US players. Thats why PSU is shutting down.

[Antipika]

PSO2 will end up just like PSU. It'll last about 3years then people will get bored of it(Then about 2-3Years later. Itll shut Down.). FFXI isnt going anywhere, It will forever stay Tall and Strong. ^^

Yeah, but that's also SEGA's strategy. They don't really expect a longer life cycle for their online titles. I don't think they make a business plan where their game needs to remain alive 3years+ to be profitable... 2 years seems more than enough since they keep releasing them.

Also SEGA have now a good experience of microtransactions model with PSU. It worked really well in Japan, where players could purchase "Guardian Cash" to "enhance their gameplay" (i.e. : turns the horrible SEGA-PSO-tier drop rates into something acceptable.)

That model generate way more profits than the classic pay per month model. Sure FF XI is still ok with it, but FF XI is a game from the early 2000 era, at that time, making a game lasting 10 years with a lot of subscribers was "easier" than today. Only games like EQ and such managed to remain alive so long with a high amount of subscribers.

FF XI will never "die" because of PSO2. Lose few customers? Sure thing. Die? No way. It's not like FF XI customer curve is going up anyway, it still erode slowly over time, but the game is FAR from being dead...

[sc4500]

Yeah, but that's also SEGA's strategy. They don't really expect a longer life cycle for their online titles. I don't think they make a business plan where their game needs to remain alive 3years+ to be profitable... 2 years seems more than enough since they keep releasing them.

Also SEGA have now a good experience of microtransactions model with PSU. It worked really well in Japan, where players could purchase "Guardian Cash" to "enhance their gameplay" (i.e. : turns the horrible SEGA-PSO-tier drop rates into something acceptable.)

That model generate way more profits than the classic pay per month model. Sure FF XI is still ok with it, but FF XI is a game from the early 2000 era, at that time, making a game lasting 10 years with a lot of subscribers was "easier" than today. Only games like EQ and such managed to remain alive so long with a high amount of subscribers.

FF XI will never "die" because of PSO2. Lose few customers? Sure thing. Die? No way. It's not like FF XI customer curve is going up anyway, it still erode slowly over time, but the game is FAR from being dead...

You have a Good point but square unable to hide behind the double to quadruple charges to peoples credit cards anymore to make it look like there making money. Visa and Mastercard had flagged them for that , reason we had to go to this new billing system. It be cheaper more money just having game cards and micro transactions.

Is not a game company, show me the money also, more money, more money or is it just for us fans.

Segas new model there using is the one that perfectworld is using and perfectworld almost bought out EA , It was only stop on the sell from a few usa congress people. Perfectworld made a 12 billion+ offer to EA and 95% of perfectworld games are free to play.

With ffx11 decline this is the largest i seen in a long time , been on since month after ps2 launch in last week seen some major declines during the japanes times.

[Camiie]

If/When FFXI dies it will be SE who kills it. Whether it will be with the letter opener in the kitchen or the candlestick in the library I'm not sure.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

PSO2 is going to kill FFXI.

Just like Aion, Rift, Star Wars, TERA, and FFXIV.Don't kid yourself Star Wars and lolWoWclone... I mean Rift was never on that list.

[Rosina]

if i recall WoW was out just after CoP. Then bc was out around After treasures... either that or litch king. I bough WoW around bc launch. But played it around lich king launch. It was just a slight shift in cop... nothing too bad. Now a days ppl have a "gearscore, voip requirement, addon use requirement" for just doing storyline content. Which did come from WoW because I played serveral mmo over 7 years i was on ffxi and didn't see that too much outside Aion. Alot of ppl i talked to both in ffxi and ffxiv don't really like how this community changed. And ppl barely use the forums not enjoying the "troll" accusation just for disagreeing, or having a seperate opinion. Look @ posts from zerich, or cidbehamut. Its like all they do is rag on people. Even if you agree with them for a different reason.

This wasn't really the case before WoW was launch, running into an ahole was pretty rare. Not every agree'ed but at least people were adults about it.

MMorpg are only as good as the community who plays it.

[Rosina]

(text limit)
A great mmorpg can die easy if the community is subpar. Who would want to spend money on a game that is full of nothing but rude players? I wouldn't thats why I quit WoW, Aion, Never played gw after my trial. I quit dcuo. And stop'ed playing several f2p mmo.

MMo shouldn't have a leech to cap>> solo content>> look it up on wiki mantality. Why bother with trying to talk to other players of thats all that is gonna happen? Way things are now returning players/ newbies are not getting THAT much help. I see alot of ppl w/o LS's asking questions in shouts. Mostly because all ppl do is afk in port jeuno, leech in caves or in abby. No one really talks in the book burn parties, so you may as well be lvling with npc. Thats why I perfer the old school leveling because people talked. I met a ton of ppl, and joined a ton of LS's over the years via parties.

Heck a year ago when i was doing worm parties I just solo'd worms once my light were capped. I got bored so fast I just left.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

(text limit)You need a better phone. lol

[Rosina]

You need a better phone. lol

if you think the ps3 is a phone.... XD


I'm on my ps3 not a phone. Can't control the UI of the ps3, if i could type right into the websit text box I wouldn't be having a limit. But even with a usb keyboard, the text box pops up. This was a big issue in DCUO... took 3 mjnths for a fix.... after launch.... ~.~ll

[Trisscar]

I see Rosina is busy being wrong, as usual.

I got out of a book burn party in Gusgen just yesterday and let me just say that my experience couldn't be more different than yours.

Any leeches in the party quickly got the boot and people were making conversation the entire time, such as making jokes when Magicked Skulls dropped from Gouls.

Also the wiki is a valuable tool. Please stop hating on it, thanks.

[Gilraen]

Back on topic... FFXI was created in response to PSO and... we all know what happened to PSO. PSO2 might fare a bit better with it being built around a micro-transaction business model but, ultimately, the games provide two very distinctly different experiences. PSO had a rather weak story that only really served to introduce the four game areas. FFXI's story is long with many rich rewards for pursuing it to it's ultimate ends. PSO's gameplay never really needed a party, you could solo the whole thing, easy to ultimate, without too much undue hassle. FFXI has always been about the shared experience (until Abyssea) and the new expansion might even require it again. From what I've seen of PSO2, it's more of that PSO dynamic in a much nicer package, FFXI really has no need for concern.

[Rosina]

I see Rosina is busy being wrong, as usual.

I got out of a book burn party in Gusgen just yesterday and let me just say that my experience couldn't be more different than yours.

Any leeches in the party quickly got the boot and people were making conversation the entire time, such as making jokes when Magicked Skulls dropped from Gouls.

Also the wiki is a valuable tool. Please stop hating on it, thanks.

you got lucky then... but just because people experience the game/time differently don't make them right or wrong. But i been thru a few servers and you habe rare momment like that. I just perfer seeing different zones every few levels not the same dark cave.

I never said i hated wiki... so don't twist my worlds around. But if people ONLY reply "go to wiki" for any an all questions, tips and advice... it break a good bit of the social play. Whats preventing you from looking up the answer on wiki then giving it to the person who asked? kinda breaks the ice for players.

[Rosina]

(text) here is a basic example if what I meant

:newbie: hey guys wjere can I level up @ 10.
:ls mate1: look it up on wiki.
n: ok....
n: hey guys, where can i farm slime oils"
ls mate 2: look it up on wiki.
n: ok....
n: hey guys, where can i find gausebit grass? none on the ah...
ls mate3: look it up on wiki.

honestly after a while this terns from help to giving a snob reply. Is it that hard to say "hoarder hare in dangruf wadi?" is it that hard to say " kor. tunnel on the bottum 1/2"

Pretty much the "go to wiki" seems like a lazy man reply. Though wiki is (sorta) helpful... just say it in passing, not have it be the end all reply to everything.

[cidbahamut]

But here's the thing Rosina, players should be looking stuff up on the wiki.

[Rosina]

But here's the thing Rosina, players should be looking stuff up on the wiki.

so instead of breaking the ice to start up a conversation... we should just look up wiki and not talk... cool. that sound extremely fun... not.

this might be beyond the concept of your assumptions but... ever think people ask because they can't simple go read wiki?

to assume everyone has means to look up wiki is a false notion. shii happens all the time. Pcs break, get viruses, or get broke due to lil kids. I personally have no means to look up wiki... nor do I wish to @ times. I peronally rather just play a game and ask question then to keep stoping and finding a way to access wiki for every lil thing.

[cidbahamut]

this might be beyond the concept of your assumptions but... ever think people ask because they can't simple go read wiki?


You have access to the internet because you are playing a MMORPG. You can therefor go read the wiki.

[Karbuncle]

If you have internet, You can go to the Wiki. Or at the very least, De-Ignorant-afy yourself at a local library's internet, or look it up on your Iphone, or your PS3, all of these things have the ability to browse the internet.

Learning basic game mechanics in an MMO is not something only the Elitists do, Anyone with any symblance of intelligence at all should take pride it learning the basics so they aren't a hideous nuisance on others.

These are simple musing in regards to Cid's post. I can safely say Its not targeted at you Rosina, as I cannot read your posts.

[Zyla420]

sounds like you just need a different ls rosina. or your server just doesn't help noobie players in general. the few times i do see someone ask questions like that, they usually get answered right away as for most vet players it's just common knowledge.

as far as PSO2 goes, imo the game looks fk'n amazing to me. i was a big PSO fan back on gamecube, never got to play online so it was just me and my buddies playin, but even then we all loved that game. i'm really, really hoping that an english translation or release happens soonish cause i'd love to play that game again. it looks like the battle/gameplay system has had slight tweaks to make it a bit better, graphically it's superb. when i saw the video's for it i nearly creamed myself.

But the question of will it kill FFXI? no, not by a long shot. 2 totally different games with drastically different playstyles. 1 is a very large mmo world with a heavy emphasis on storyline and community. the other is pick up and play online action rpg with mmo elements, my meaning behind this being that anyone can just pick the game up go into a room with a few players and start killin shit solo or in pt regardless, and still do most/all content either way.

it might siphon a few hundred players from ffxi that weren't that invested in the game to begin with, but the vast majority will either play both games or just stick with ffxi. me personally i'll be playin both as i love both games equally :D

[Mostfowl]

(text) here is a basic example if what I meant

:newbie: hey guys wjere can I level up @ 10.
:ls mate1: look it up on wiki.
n: ok....
n: hey guys, where can i farm slime oils"
ls mate 2: look it up on wiki.
n: ok....
n: hey guys, where can i find gausebit grass? none on the ah...
ls mate3: look it up on wiki.

honestly after a while this terns from help to giving a snob reply. Is it that hard to say "hoarder hare in dangruf wadi?" is it that hard to say " kor. tunnel on the bottum 1/2"

Pretty much the "go to wiki" seems like a lazy man reply. Though wiki is (sorta) helpful... just say it in passing, not have it be the end all reply to everything.

Just sounds like your ls doesn't wanna talk to you...

I have never encountered this in a ls unless they don't like that person lol

[Zumi]

PSO2 is an action rpg with mutiplayer, its not even an MMO so its not really in direct competition with games like FFXI.

[Mooshywooshy]

So PSO2 has been out for a bit... what happened?

[Rosina]

Ps3 can't acess wiki... Ps3 runs under Ie6. most sites run as google chrome or IE9. I have no iphone and yes I have the net. But I have NO computer. I also tried wiki for some quest info all i get is lag or a ps3 freeze. But..... just because i had different experiences then u... still don't mean i'm wrong. Actually I do leave LS like that.

[Eric]

Ps3 can't acess wiki... Ps3 runs under Ie6. most sites run as google chrome or IE9. I have no iphone and yes I have the net. But I have NO computer. I also tried wiki for some quest info all i get is lag or a ps3 freeze. But..... just because i had different experiences then u... still don't mean i'm wrong. Actually I do leave LS like that.
Then why the fuck did you spend money on a PS3 instead of buying a computer that would have cost you the same (or less) and would have been way more useful?

EDIT: I was just reading your thread about the STF when I discovered that you also have an XBOX360, but no PC.

http://i.minus.com/ibeGmSM4C3zjsU.gif

[Mooshywooshy]

Well there was a good while when I had an xbox and a ps3 with no PC. You're essentially asking them to set aside a few hundred dollars for a working web browser.
Granted I use my PC way more than my xbox or ps3 now, thats simply because video games are sucking at the moment so I spend more time creating multimedia which is a whole different reason to purchase a PC aside from a browser...

So while I agree with Eric in the sense that at some point a PC should be put into consideration, I dont think it would be completely necessary if the buying points are: Reporting RMT (which as stated in another thread is possible on PS3, just a bother) and using Wiki to appease other peoples inability to type more than 10 words...

Id say getting a smart phone would be higher on the necessity scale but lord knows smart phones cost more than PCs now ~0~;

[Vivik]

Ps3 can't acess wiki... Ps3 runs under Ie6. most sites run as google chrome or IE9. I have no iphone and yes I have the net. But I have NO computer. I also tried wiki for some quest info all i get is lag or a ps3 freeze. But..... just because i had different experiences then u... still don't mean i'm wrong. Actually I do leave LS like that.

I swear I can't read a single god damn thread on this forum anymore. Do you have to turn all of them into a shitfest manifesto of what you think about the current player-base of FFXI and how Abyssea makes noobs? Can we get a sticky thread at the top of General and limit Rosina to only posting in there? Would be great.

On Topic:
I don't think PSO2 will pull many people from FFXI. The fact that it is F2P would allow someone to keep their P2P game going. I know that once GW2 is out I will be playing but I will also keep FFXI active.

[Karbuncle]

Well there was a good while when I had an xbox and a ps3 with no PC. You're essentially asking them to set aside a few hundred dollars for a working web browser.

Actually Mooshy MOOSh!

Most games released for PS3/Xbox360, Well, most of the Good games, are also released on PC, namely steam, and often times are cheaper. In reality, a PC is a great investment for anyone, Gamer or not. Most games on the PS3/Xbox360 that also come out for PC are generally better on the PC as well.

MOOSh :O!

(BelowNotDirectedAtYou)
P.S - If your PC can't access ffxiclopedia, try using the BG Wiki, see if that loads.

Or... Ask someone, Online. Not a darn thing under the sun can be used as an excuse not to ask a friend or party member. If you want to not be stupid, If you want to learn, You'll find a way. This isn't about No internet, no blah blah, Its about the willingness to learn. If you just don't care, No amount of PC Access will help.

[Quetzacoatl]

With how the game plays and works its really the other way around. Its a MMO with an optional Single Player.

you know, like, how Diablo 3 should have been, lol.

[Kiriah]

Why is everyone hating on Rosina so much? perhaps he/she trolls other forums and i missed that as im a returning player but he/she is correct. I played for 7 yrs and left to play xiv. Only recently have I decided I wanted 99, meteor and to just live in some nostalgia and play some pet classes again.

As a returning player and thinking along the lines of any new players(aka friends id like to try to get to join) this game is outright horrible for pre 30. Theres is next to no gear being sold or made, I only now heard of gusgen mines book partys and only seen one shout for it. Whitegate has become a ghost town, and though i do love this game I wouldn't ask any of my friends to come start it. Telling new people to "Go look on wiki" is not a solution. if anything its a great way to see them quit right away. they are looking for friends and advice. not a outdated wikia that seems to stop updating around the time I quit. i am no onion knight, no SEsuperfan nor am I a troll or a hater. I -loved- this game, hell I met some of my best friends here and my husband.

As for shouting advice, barely anyone ever answers. What happened to this incredibly emersive community that I loved? And yes, Abyssea breeds idiots by the hundreds. I agree with that statement completely. now im not saying abyssea cant be tricky or hard, the nms and what not are work, and fun, but I loathe what abyssea exp and smn burn partys have done to this game. Instead of bashing a single player for stating these facts, why not listen to the truth behind it? you have someone who obviously loves and stays in this game but isn't happy. isn't that the majority of players? all my old friends seem to think the very same. Yes im excited for the expansion and I still have great hopes for XI. But recall why you got hooked in xi in the beginning. for me, it was the players.. the vibe and feel of it. the quests and jobs, but mostly the people. I didn't get to where I am now by people telling me to go look on exclopedia.

Also a small side note, I came to XI as a Ps2 player and a 360 player. I too had no pc. Though now ill play pc only and i hate the amount of hold backs the consoles give this game, it's not fair to hold that against someone. Hell two of my ls's best players were ps3 only and couldn't get near a pc either. it happens. Don't hate them for it, help them.

[Karbuncle]

Why is everyone hating on Rosina so much? perhaps he/she trolls other forums and i missed that

You did. And leave it at that.


As a returning player and thinking along the lines of any new players(aka friends id like to try to get to join) this game is outright horrible for pre 30. Theres is next to no gear being sold or made,

I strongly suggest make a friend, or use the NPC. There is generally some variety of low level AH Just from people skilling up crafts. But as you can guess, 10 years into a games lifespawn, Low levels are pretty empty.


I only now heard of gusgen mines book partys and only seen one shout for it. Whitegate has become a ghost town, and though i do love this game I wouldn't ask any of my friends to come start it.

Whitegate sucks anyway. Jeuno and Port Jeuno are the new places people hang out. Go there. As far as Gusgen Book burns go, at low levels these days, You're not going to find a normal party, Nothing SE Does is bringing that back, Either solo, or do the Gusgen Book burns, thats pretty much all there is too it.

Unlike a Single player game, when it comes to Nostalgia in an MMO, sh*t happens and things change, I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm telling you that its an unfortunate truth, How you will remember it will not always be how it stays.

P.S - I would gladly ask my friends to join FFXI, Except I'd let them know the game has been out 10 years and is focused heavily on endgame, Then I'd do the FRIEND thing and help them level a job to 99 and learn the basics, and get them going from there. I'm not going to turn a friend away because i can no longer spend 2 years level 1-75. I don't even see why you would suggest such a thing.

The Dynamic of the game has changed.


Telling new people to "Go look on wiki" is not a solution.

Yes it is.

if anything its a great way to see them quit right away.

Advice and friends will take you so far, Sometimes you have to stop suckling him and let him learn to fly on himself. Helping a friend is fine, but babying him by never giving himt he tools to learn for himself is the worst thing a friend can do, cause frankly, you wont always be around to help him.

Asking a few questions to friends now and again, obviously, warrants an answer, I know if any of my friends ask me any questions, i will answer their questions if i know it, But i'll still remind them if they need a lot of help or i didn't explain it well, they can visit the wiki and its really explained in depth there.

The Wiki isn't some demonized source of Satan juice, Its a source of knowledgeable information gathered from players, Like you, for other players to read and be able to learn and not feel lost.


they are looking for friends and advice. not a outdated wikia that seems to stop updating around the time I quit

Its not Out-Dated, Unless maybe you're using old wiki, BG wiki is updated with pretty much every piece of new Content, Old wiki, however, is mainly a dead area unfortunately.


i am no onion knight, no SEsuperfan nor am I a troll or a hater. I -loved- this game, hell I met some of my best friends here and my husband.

Understandable.


As for shouting advice, barely anyone ever answers. What happened to this incredibly emersive community that I loved?

See my second or third paragraph. Sh*T changes. The community has less time to deal with people who expect everything to be handed to them instead of doing their own research. If you went and applied for a job and all you did was ask questions when the first thing the interviewer did was hand you a comprehensive list of information on the questions your asking... You think you're getting the job? Nope.

In the same light, If there's a large list of comprehensive information easily and readily accessible on the internet, and you continually ask questions answered there, People won't always be so friendly to answer.

Again, me, I generally answer any question i can, and I've asked a few myself, But I also take the time to look up some of the new information as its coming out, just so i have some basic understanding of what to do. The Wiki isn't about mastering the game, Its about learning the BASICS.


And yes, Abyssea breeds idiots by the hundreds. I agree with that statement completely.

Then you are simply a misguided person in this aspect. Abyssea breeds no more idiots than Crabs, Crawlers, and Colibri. Abyssea made exp Easier, But it didn't suddenly delete peoples want to learn. Every level 99 Idiot you see out there would still be a flamming idiot rather they did it in Abyssea or Old school, Because those people lack the will to learn. Its not because they hit 99 quicker, its because they simply don't want to learn.

Period. Its got nothing to do with Abyssea, its got to do with the type of player they are. If you can't see this, Maybe you just don't know people well enough.


I loathe what abyssea exp and smn burn partys have done to this game. Instead of bashing a single player for stating these facts, why not listen to the truth behind it?

Because what you call truth, I call "Unfounded biased information given by people wearing Nostalgia goggles so thick they require 4 people to hold them up full time".

We've all heard all of these "Truths", Which ironically, not a single one was a truth, except maybe "It made Exp easier". In fact, the biggest whole i can pop in this theory is that, since this game revolves around level 99 content, The easily accessible level cap is actually better for new players, since they can easily join their friends in end-game content, rather than slug to level cap over the course of 6 months.

As a closing note, You're high off nostalgia, I understand the feeling. But the sooner you learn the game changes and what you like will almost never stay the same, the sooner you realize the problem isn't with FFXI, its with you, and those like you, Who cling to their Nostalgia of quite frankly the worst game in history in its first 2-4 Years. This game was a horrific time sink and the only thing that made it fun back then was the fact is was a Final Fantasy game, and it was new to you.

Everything about the game today is better than it was back in 2002~2006 Era. Everything. You just have to accept that Nostalgia is not a adequate substitute for content progression.

And before i forget... Those people who are nice, friendly, and answer questions still exist, Its just you won't find them as often these days, because the games population has dwindled. Its got nothing to do with Abyssea either, ITs just the natural progression of the games life. Population goes down, Types of peopl dwindle. The nice people still exist, But they're disappearing.

[cidbahamut]

Karbuncle, you are putting way too much effort into typing out thoughtful and informative responses.

Keep up the good work.

[Kiriah]

I am fully aware the game has changed and as mentioned above I know what its like to see a forum troll FF forums. I wasn't so much defending said person as defending some of the points mentioned. Im fully aware that those zones are dead, as why i also mentioned that. Though I feel your reply is a good smart response I feel it is unfair to say i suffer from "Unfounded biased information given by people wearing Nostalgia goggles so thick they require 4 people to hold them up full time" and a belief that Wiki is some demonized source of Satan juice. My points are valid, and so are yours. I do know how to use ff sites to gather information, as I have been since before my break. There is a lot of un-updated information between all of the sites but there is information, yes. You seem like someone id like to play with but on a last note, I will say that in the previous

'And yes, Abyssea breeds idiots by the hundreds. I agree with that statement completely.'
'Then you are simply a misguided person in this aspect. Abyssea breeds no more idiots than Crabs, Crawlers, and Colibri. Abyssea made exp Easier, But it didn't suddenly delete peoples want to learn. Every level 99 Idiot you see out there would still be a flamming idiot rather they did it in Abyssea or Old school, Because those people lack the will to learn. Its not because they hit 99 quicker, its because they simply don't want to learn.
Period. Its got nothing to do with Abyssea, its got to do with the type of player they are. If you can't see this, Maybe you just don't know people well enough."

I must say that no one learns a job by using /item "Forbidden Key" <t>, so in this regard, I disagree. I know that with time they can learn the job better, and most will, yes, but even I bite my lips after 20 lvs in abyssea feeling I have missed out both in a possible fun experience leveling and feel like im missing out on really learning my job. Guess we learn our jobs now by back skilling, but that seems less.. I don't know.. appealing. I suppose.

On a side note, I think this could be easily remedied by making lower lv camps in abyssea so that a group of say.. lv 50's could fight and exp, not just hope for a leech/key spot :)

[MiniDiamond]

You have access to the internet because you are playing a MMORPG. You can therefor go read the wiki.

WRONG! If your in Full-Screen you cant Alt+Tab out without crashing.

[cidbahamut]

WRONG! If your in Full-Screen you cant Alt+Tab out without crashing.

Run the game in windowed mode. That crap was enough to make me just switch over to using windowed mode full-time. I haven't run FFXI in full screen mode in years.

[MiniDiamond]

Run the game in windowed mode. That crap was enough to make me just switch over to using windowed mode full-time. I haven't run FFXI in full screen mode in years.

But there are those who prefer Full screen rather than windowed. So your statement is still invalid. :P also. Wiki isn't the most reliable.

[Spiritreaver]

Ps3 can't acess wiki... Ps3 runs under Ie6. most sites run as google chrome or IE9. I have no iphone and yes I have the net. But I have NO computer. I also tried wiki for some quest info all i get is lag or a ps3 freeze. But..... just because i had different experiences then u... still don't mean i'm wrong. Actually I do leave LS like that.

Sorry if this is taken by you to be trolling an attack or w/e


wiki.bluegartr.com


I am actually on it right now, on my PS3 browser. It stays up to date and is imo superior to ffxiclopedia.

Type it in browser, go there, add it to bookmarks, you are welcome.



PS-You don't even have to close the window you have this forum in.

1) Hit L3(press the Left thumbstick down til you hear the click)

2) Hit the Triangle button

3) Select the new window option


You can swap between any open windows at anytime by again hitting L3 and then using the left thumbstick to pick a window, then hit L3 again.

[Reiterpallasch]

But there are those who prefer Full screen rather than windowed. So your statement is still invalid. :P also. Wiki isn't the most reliable.
You can always make the window close to the full screen size. Big window, and ability to alt-tab without dropping your plate of spaghetti code on the carpet.

And just to reiterate what others have already said: http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Main_Page

[Rosina]

LOL so the secret to ffxi

The page cannot be displayed. (8071053d) and that was from the link and copying the address

[Rosina]

Karbuncle, you are putting way too much effort into typing out thoughtful and informative responses.

Keep up the good work.

not really a good well thought post.

its all summed in 3 sentences... Go to wiki cuz i'm to lazy to talk. leveling up is soooo outdated. And i'm too importent to help ppl.

ppl need to get off the BS that doing content of any kind as a group = lazy or hand holding.

[Spiritreaver]

LOL so the secret to ffxi

The page cannot be displayed. (8071053d) and that was from the link and copying the address

You are missing updates or something then, because my PS3 is one of the old 80gig jobs from when they were first released and if the browser on mine can function on BG-wiki i know any will as long as you've been updating the PS3.

But then i guess you haven't, since 8071053d means that PSN is down OR your PS3 can't talk to it. And since the PSN is up atm, i suggest you run System Update, i think the most current one is ver. 4.21(yup this is the current software version just checked).

Seriously, PS3's browser, which blows hard, can go most places on the net. But you still have to make a marginal effort and update the dang thing. If you can post here on PS3, then you are capable of running the largely automated system update. Its at the top of the "Settings" tab for godssake.

And why am i giving you this info? Because it is sad and tiresome seeing you pop into a thread turn it into a 'woe is me' style pity party, consistently. Of course if you'd stop trying to play off of ppl's sympathy, be honest, and just say, "I don't wanna be bothered actually looking up info", i think ppl, myself included, would be a lot less annoyed.

[cidbahamut]

But there are those who prefer Full screen rather than windowed. So your statement is still invalid. :P also. Wiki isn't the most reliable.

Your decision to intentionally make things harder for yourself is not my problem. It's yours.

P.S. If wiki isn't reliable then you should try BG wiki. This is not rocket science people, you've got multiple sources of information to draw from so make use of them.

[Kuvo]

so instead of breaking the ice to start up a conversation... we should just look up wiki and not talk... cool. that sound extremely fun... not.

this might be beyond the concept of your assumptions but... ever think people ask because they can't simple go read wiki?

to assume everyone has means to look up wiki is a false notion. shii happens all the time. Pcs break, get viruses, or get broke due to lil kids. I personally have no means to look up wiki... nor do I wish to @ times. I peronally rather just play a game and ask question then to keep stoping and finding a way to access wiki for every lil thing.

I'm with you 100% Rosina, I always hated the cop out of LS mates that just say "go to the wiki" Look it up on your own. But for longer missions and things that would take a lot of explanation, yes i think that telling someone to look it up on the wiki is a better response then any. But for simple noob type questions or even conversations starters people have become way too lazy and just say "See Wiki".

The sense of community has been banished from this game. I remember looking everything up on killling ifrit and ZAM before wiki came out but even then people were able to give you a lot of feedback and willing to help out. So many times before people would actually say in LS chat, wait there instead of telling you, i'll come help you with that and show you. God i miss those days.

[cidbahamut]

I'm with you 100% Rosina, I always hated the cop out of LS mates that just say "go to the wiki" Look it up on your own.
You guys do realize that a lot of the time what happens is that the people who answer those questions are just looking stuff up on the wiki themselves and then relaying the information. I mean, you know that's what's happening, right? Because that's what's happening.

[Kuvo]

There were a few posts earlier talking about book burns and the new pre aby way to level. In response to those posts i'm with you guys on that. I like them but i also don't like them at the same time. I mean i miss spending only 5-10 levels in an area then traveling to a different region to level again for another 5-10 levels. It really had a nice feel to the game and you get to explore and get the feeling of adventure. Now you go to a dark cave in gusgen and book burn to 30-40 range, maybe go over to another cave in CN and burn up to 60ish maybe even take it to 75 for some ppl. Then hit aby. A lot of ppl just get to 30 and leech to 99. I have vowed never to leech in aby. I solo in different areas up to lvl 30-35 then i would get into book burn to 75. From there I'll go into aby at 75 but not sooner. Just imo. I miss the 6 party feel with skillchains and tanks, and things like that. I don't miss the long grind but would be nice to see an updated system like GOV have more benefits to 6 party teams and leveling that way but get the mass amount of exp.

[Kuvo]

You guys do realize that a lot of the time what happens is that the people who answer those questions are just looking stuff up on the wiki themselves and then relaying the information. I mean, you know that's what's happening, right? Because that's what's happening.

Got it... so your for no community and socializing with others on the MMO. That was the point i was trying to make. Not the fact that i couldn't just look up the info myself but the fact that ppl are so lazy anymore that even if they know the answer or can help you out with a quick reply they don't they would rather say look it up yourself, how dare you make me type something to you.

Now again if it's a simple question like "do gobs agro by sight or sound?" and people reply look it up on wiki that is BS to me. But at the same time if someone is asking what to do for CoP missions 1 thru 5 then ya you should look that up on wiki your self. Thats the point. The total sense of laziness and community is all gone.

[FrankReynolds]

Your decision to intentionally make things harder for yourself is not my problem. It's yours.

P.S. If wiki isn't reliable then you should try BG wiki. This is not rocket science people, you've got multiple sources of information to draw from so make use of them.

Re-quoted for truth.

Those wikis have hundreds of thousands of pages. No one is memorizing all that crap. %99 of the questions that I answer in LS chat (and I answer most any question that I can) are answers pulled off of the various wikis.

You guys think your breaking the ice, when in fact the person on the other end of that chat is going "Why doesn't this idiot use google???" in his head, as he politely recounts the information that he just pulled off wiki for you.

[cidbahamut]

Got it... so your for no community and socializing with others on the MMO. That was the point i was trying to make. Not the fact that i couldn't just look up the info myself but the fact that ppl are so lazy anymore that even if they know the answer or can help you out with a quick reply they don't they would rather say look it up yourself, how dare you make me type something to you.

Now again if it's a simple question like "do gobs agro by sight or sound?" and people reply look it up on wiki that is BS to me. But at the same time if someone is asking what to do for CoP missions 1 thru 5 then ya you should look that up on wiki your self. Thats the point. The total sense of laziness and community is all gone.

"GUYS WHERE DO I BUY ROCK SALT?" is not socializing.

[Trisscar]

I've been a mentor for a long time and I rarely get requests for help, but when I do get requests I rely on any of a number of different FFxi wiki because there's no way any one person can know everything there is to know about the game.

The last time I got a request for help was from a Japanese player looking to get a goblin cutscene pertaining to the final fight fight for ToAU. Because of the language barrier problem I had to take them there myself, which was made harder by the fact that they didn't have the outpost to the mountain.

So here I am escorting the most gimp White Mage I ever seen through Halvung and I find out that they don't have sneak/Invissible or the map when they get killed by a mass aggro/link.

So I meet them at Whitegate and buy them the relevant scrolls and walk them through Halvung after demanding that they use the damned spells. I go with them as far as the goblin door, a good call since they didn't have a KI to open the door and they had the stupidity to aggro a moth.

I'm sorry, but I went above and beyond there and telling people to use the wiki for things like that is perfectly reasonable.

[Mooshywooshy]

So. How about that PSO2? Any update on what it has done with this game?

[Demon6324236]

So. How about that PSO2? Any update on what it has done with this game?

Yeah, nothing :D

[Rosina]

You guys do realize that a lot of the time what happens is that the people who answer those questions are just looking stuff up on the wiki themselves and then relaying the information. I mean, you know that's what's happening, right? Because that's what's happening.

i reply to basic questions w/o wiki..... I got a pretty good memory when it comes to gaming.

[Rosina]

um.. guys... there are ppl who can memorize most about ffxi..... i have a great memory for most any gaming. As long as i read it and experiance it i'll remember it. I may not remember exact positions but i can give detailed directions. Its really not that hard....

[cidbahamut]

um.. guys... there are ppl who can memorize most about ffxi.....

I sincerely doubt this.

Do you claim to be one of them?

[sc4500]

So. How about that PSO2? Any update on what it has done with this game?

world total users at this time pactime 6am 2283 10 pm japan time, think pso on a maintence. other morning was 1278 before this last update we got on ff11 , might be just with the new staffs and stuff people muling.

[Demon6324236]

I sincerely doubt this.

Do you claim to be one of them?

I have most seal NMs memorized on what they drop, what you use to pop them, where they are, what KIs they drop. Same with +2 NMs. I have all job unlocking quests memorized except BLU, which confused me at the time of doing it. Honestly I know alot of answers to questions my ls ever asks off the top of my head, so not impossible. However it normally seems to take people asking you things alot, which for me is the case as about a year ago I was so bored with the game all I did was help friends and ls members with whatever they needed.

[FrankReynolds]

37,000 pages with 1.4 million edits to date on wiki. I'm sure lots of you have memorized it all.

[Demon6324236]

All, no, alot, yes.

[FrankReynolds]

All, no, alot, yes.

I'd love to quiz you, but you would just go to the wiki.

[scaevola]

So. How about that PSO2? Any update on what it has done with this game?

Totally different itch, man.

[Reiterpallasch]

um.. guys... there are ppl who can memorize most about ffxi..... i have a great memory for most any gaming. As long as i read it and experiance it i'll remember it. I may not remember exact positions but i can give detailed directions. Its really not that hard....
Using gear swaps is universally better than not using them.

Lets see if it sticks!

[Karbuncle]

Let me just try to say this as simply and nicely as possible. Using information to educate yourself is not going to deprive you of social interaction on your MMO. Knowing where you're going means people wont go "Why isn't this idiot learning this before joining the pick up?". Not everyone, But most. The best thing you can do, in FFXI, and Even in life, is to stop expecting people to speed feed you information because, and lets not dance around the fact, You're too lazy to look it up and feel like you're entitled to people feeding you the information.

No one wants to deal with "That guy" who does nothing but asks questions and gets upset when people tell him he can find the information himself. Not a single person on earth with enjoy continuously babying someone, and if they do, They're a horrible person. Nothing good can come from never giving people the tools to help themselves. In the long run, You're hurting them more than helping.

Asking a few questions is not bad, I know i've asked my LS something like "How far along in Voidwatch do you have to be to access Prov. Watcher Battlefield" > For two reasons - I was in a hurry to respond to a shout, and i know they knew, but 9/10 I'll look it up myself because Its not even about socially interacting, Its about learning basic things so you're not an annoyance to the group. Its common courtesy to not be "That Guy" asking everyone where to go, What <pos>, Whats the NM drop, How do i raise my level cap? Where do i go for this AF Quest? How do i complete it? Etc etc etc.

Badgering your LS and friends with questions you don't want to be assed to look up is not social interaction on an MMO, and thats the worst cop-out argument I've ever heard anyone say. For every question you research yourself, theres an entirely different sentence you could use to start a far less terrible conversation.

"Where do i go for this AF Quest?" turns into "This Quest is fun, You guys do _____ AF Before?"
"Whats the POS Of this fight?" Turns into "You guys do this before? Seems fun"
"Whats this NM Drop?" Turns into "I hope it drops XXXX, I've been after it for a while!"
"How do i raise my level cap?" turns into "Hey, Anyone need XX level cap? or bored to help? About to go do it!"

For every question you ask because you're too lazy to look up the information yourself, Theres another question you could ask that could lead to a better conversation for both sides. The excuse "Well excuse me for not looking it up because i wanna talk to PEOPLEZ" is not acceptable by any human logical standard.

So yes, Asking questions is not a big deal, every now and again, But being that guy who never looks up anything is no fun for anyone, and it makes you look bad, regardless of what you're asking or your reasons. It makes you look lazy, and it makes you look like you want everything spelled out to you, and it, sorry and I'm not implying any of you are - But it makes you look stupid.

Education does not deprive Social Interaction, Its breeds intelligent conversation.

[wildsprite]

why are people even comparing FFXI and PSO2? totally different games, its like comparing apples and oranges...both have their strong points, and both their weak points

however at the moment, SEGA of Japan is working really hard on preventing hacks before they release the game in the USA in early 2013, will they succeed? I hope so but if they keep their faith in game guard I suspect not, here is to hoping SEGA gets the hacking issues under control before the game reaches the USA as SEGA of America wont likely be able to handle them, look at their track records

perhaps they should ask Perfect World Entertainment how they do it with Perfect World International, they had game guard but dropped it

[FrankReynolds]

Education does not deprive Social Interaction, Its breeds intelligent conversation.

Exactly.

I spent 45 minutes the other day talking to a LS mate about how to spruce up his resume for a restaurant management position, what old Brad Pitt movies were good, How long to cook a brisket and how much housing costs in his part of the country. I'm sure there were some fart jokes in there too.

If his questions would have been "where is the telepoint in pashow(s)?" or "How long does it take to raise a chocobo?", he would have likely gotten some one line answers (I would have had to look up the choco answer on the wiki) and we would not have gotten to know eachother better.


EDIT: Just realized what thread I'm in. Why is this thread still here (already checked wiki and asked ls mates)?

[Antipika]

So. How about that PSO2? Any update on what it has done with this game?

Won't do anything to XI. However SEGA published some figures.

So far, 720K users did register. (It is Free to Play, we cannot talk about subscriptions). It is still a decent number for a game that is one month old, it did generate interest in Japan.

Total concurrent users peak was 91K users recorded early July.

[sc4500]

world search 7am pac time 2251 people on now, forgot they can play the game portable, at 4am pac time 1021.

[sc4500]

[/QUOTE]Education does not deprive Social Interaction, Its breeds intelligent conversation.[/QUOTE]

awsome

[sc4500]

why are people even comparing FFXI and PSO2? totally different games, its like comparing apples and oranges...both have their strong points, and both their weak points

however at the moment, SEGA of Japan is working really hard on preventing hacks before they release the game in the USA in early 2013, will they succeed? I hope so but if they keep their faith in game guard I suspect not, here is to hoping SEGA gets the hacking issues under control before the game reaches the USA as SEGA of America wont likely be able to handle them, look at their track records

perhaps they should ask Perfect World Entertainment how they do it with Perfect World International, they had game guard but dropped it

competition brings out the best in people, and in games.

since PSO2 is a japanese game square been looking behind the rest of the world.

[Lisotte]

lolwut?

Main issue here is that PSO2 is not an MMO. It's a 4 player dungeon crawler, like Monster Hunter or Diablo. Think of it as an over the shoulder Diablo.

There really isn't a "massive" element in the "massively-multiplayer online" part of it. The game's completely instanced, except for (rather small) lobbies.

Another example is Guild Wars 1. People don't think of that as an MMORPG either.

How is this relevant to the discussion? PSO2 won't kill FFXI, because it's apples and oranges, two related but different genres. People play FFXI for the feeling of being in a massive world with thousands of people. People play PSO2 to group with a small group of people to go grind dungeons for loot.

[Mooshywooshy]

While I agree PSO2 has almost nothing to do with FFXI, you have to remember we're not comparing games specifically but the amount of people spread throughout. I play FFXI and I quit to play PSO2 for a bit. Granted you have a job etc, there just isnt enough time in a day/week/month to play both with the amount they demand.

One would logistically conclude that if one were to weigh the two, and enjoyed both equally, one would stop FFXI due to the monthly fee. I personally dont see the future FFXI subscription base being hit too hard by this game, but thats just my faith in the good old 'dont want to leave friends/im connected to game'.

I personally lost interest in PSO2 once I unlocked HARD and realized I had to grind for hours upon hours just to gain 1 level, and nothing new unlocks until you gain 5 levels off of the first few levels of the game... But lots of people are at max level and enjoying it still, they're updating it pretty frequently so who knows.

It'll be like Diablo, people stopped playing FFXI to play that, only Diablo ended (hard lul) so people came back. PSO2, however, will be updated like an MMO so only time will tell if there will be a massive cross over.

I think, by this time though, the people left in this game (FFXI) are pretty much here until the end and have a strong devotion to the title or the series, so probably not much will happen. The only real competition I see for the current base is FFXIV granted it can pick itself up and reach its full potential.

[Rosina]

Way to take what i said outa context ppl. Typical tho as basic of basic concepts seem out of reach from your self absorbed thought processes. First off I never used wiki, I asked questions in game as ppl did it. Then I learned by doing as in trial and error or doing test runs. Secondly asking questions of the game does break the ice if ur joining the game or new Ls. It sparks getting to know how ur Ls does stuff. Lastly I'm not one to lie. I got a good text memory for quests/ content in game. If my help saves a person 5-10 min of stopping too look up wiki, better left playing then good. Its how it should be. When I was new I was never told "oh go look it up" someone who did it befor helped and explained it as we did it. Think ppl now just too lazy to help and rather let a open forum site do the stuff for them.

[Rosina]

Using gear swaps is universally better than not using them.

Lets see if it sticks!
And???? I didn't bring it up. But here the thing.. I don't play to be epic and solo. I'm just here to relax and have fun. Not stress over a chore...

[Karbuncle]

i'm rarely stressed when I solo or duo with my brother using multiple gear sets to maximize myself in most situations. I find I'm less stressed knowing I can take a nuke or a ws, and kill quicker, than i would be going with 1 gear set.

I stress more when i forget a piece of gear than most people do when bills come in.

Its a matter of pride for me, I'm not doing it to impress anyone, I try to be my best because I want to be the best, I'm not content with mediocrity, I take no solace in being average, My goal in this game, and life, is to be the best i can.

This isn't to say you aren't stressed when you try to comprehend more than 1 gear set variable, and its not to say your playstyle is wrong for you, Its only saying that there's two sides to this coin. Which i think we all understand. That two sides to every story exist.

Playing with Macros is no more or less stressful than play without them, Its all about the person behind the computer.

I'd also like to say, the angrier you get, the easier a target you become, and the bigger your hypocritical attitude shows. You really should calm down.

PS dont reproduce please <3

I'm just kidding!

[Shadowsong]

Shes quick to defend her playstyle, but goes off the rails on others lol
Shall I copy-pasta her core meltdown last time she was posting?
inb4 i have heart problems

[sc4500]

The weekend 430am ish pac time, world search 2147 people. Seems something is having a effect, PAC time is around 1k people around 5pm est and 8pm pac, but not going count the NA times, since we switch games all the time.