Bring back Long spawn/Rare WORLD HNM but put drops in legion/einherjar/other bc also

[Tunasushi]

Bring back Long spawn/Rare WORLD HNM but put duplicate drops in legion/einherjar/other bc also

i think this would satisfy both crowds. People who enjoy camping and hunting for the gear, and people who don't wish to camp or compete for it, can do legion,einherjar 2.0 or other BCNM for the drops. If they complain about not actually fighting the new mobs, quite simply add reskinned duplicate mobs in the BCs as well. Simple fix, now the casuals can't whine and the hardcores can't control loot.

I enjoy camping the rare/long spawn HNM. Always exciting for me to see new one coming out and setting out to hunt them. That's the content I enjoy and hope they add, and if they add the drops/mobs to alternate bcs, casuals have no wiggle room for complaining about it, and you don't have botters controlling the market. I think this is a great medium.

please LIKE my post. I think we can unite and agree a solution like this would be perfect for both crowds. This type of content existing in both an INSTANCED/BC type manner as well as a long spawn/rare world spawn would please everyones playtype and time.
Please support it and LIKE it, as it benefits everyone.

[Camiie]

Bad content makes the game look bad.

Poorly designed and badly thought out activities like HNM makes the game look bad by encouraging MPK and botting. It makes the community look really awful if the supposed best and the brightest are treating one another like absolute trash.

HNM makes the game look impossibly boring and non-interactive. I've seen so many people over the years comment on how the best part of HNM was being able to watch TV between windows. Imagine that sort of comment appearing in a review. Be totally objective and answer this: If you saw in a game review that the most fun to be had in an integral part of a game was idling your character while watching TV, would you seriously consider buying it?

So, no, I won't support the return of HNM even with alternate loot distribution methods. I'd rather have content that makes the game looks at least somewhat modern.

[Rekin]

Bad content makes the game look bad.

Poorly designed and badly thought out activities like HNM makes the game look bad by encouraging MPK and botting. It makes the community look really awful if the supposed best and the brightest are treating one another like absolute trash.

HNM makes the game look impossibly boring and non-interactive. I've seen so many people over the years comment on how the best part of HNM was being able to watch TV between windows. Imagine that sort of comment appearing in a review. Be totally objective and answer this: If you saw in a game review that the most fun to be had in an integral part of a game was idling your character while watching TV, would you seriously consider buying it?

So, no, I won't support the return of HNM even with alternate loot distribution methods. I'd rather have content that makes the game looks at least somewhat modern.

This is pretty much the point I tried to make in the previous HNM topics. No company in their right mind would want to reintroduce content that effectively isn't entertaining. A game that fails to entertain is a game that cannot accomplish the core reason anyone would play a game, fun.

[Tunasushi]

This thread is about discussing the content in the OP.

Camii u have commented several times in every thread on this issue. Mods have said before you don't need to comment in every thread about it, it's not doing anything.

If you don't support the thread, go trash talk it one of the other threads. This thread is not for people who are opposed to reasonable game suggestions and I will be reporting people who can't stay on topic.This is not a "we don't want that! thread. Camiie reading your previous posts, uve said that 8 DIFFERENT TIMES.

This suggestion is for those that do support it, there are thread where you can whine and complain elsewhere. This thread topic of interest is discussing the possible content suggested in the OP.
If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, gtfo...

"That makes the game look bad!"

"its not entertaining enough!" is spam. and reported.

[RAIST]

This thread is about discussing the content in the OP.

Camii u have commented several times in every thread on this issue. Mods have said before you don't need to comment in every thread about it, it's not doing anything.

If you don't support the thread, go trash talk it one of the other threads. This thread is not for people who are opposed to reasonable game suggestions and I will be reporting people who can't stay on topic.This is not a "we don't want that! thread. Camiie reading your previous posts, uve said that 8 DIFFERENT TIMES.

This suggestion is for those that do support it, there are thread where you can whine and complain elsewhere. This thread topic of interest is discussing the possible content suggested in the OP.
If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, gtfo...

"That makes the game look bad!"

"its not entertaining enough!" is spam. and reported.

ummm... actually, Camii is on topic. Opposition to the concept, and an explanation of why. Your reply actually has the potential to derail the thread.

On topic:

It would probably be better for them to follow an instanced method then a timed spawn, and just avoid all the drama over the issue. So long as there is only one shot every x hours/minutes/days at claiming either a mob or a ???, there will be an issue with people fighting over their "right" to get that claim. By making it an isolated instanced event (BCNM) or at least providing multiple force pop ???'s in an area, there would only need to be one version of the item, and it could be made a sellable item. Otherwise, they would have to make the timed respawn (be it the actual NM or a single ???) drop the R/E and make the instanced/forced pop fight drop the sellable version, as they have done in the past. By making them isolated or multiple pop events (ie BCNM style, or multiple ??? points) only from the start, they avoid all the potential drama associated with camping a single timed respawn.

[Secondplanet]

I think what they could do is have like others have said 2 ways to get the same piece of equipment, One maybe with a glowing effect from the HNM and another from a BCNM or other.

But i think what they can do to stop any chance of bots or in game monopolizing is make the monster drop a casket after every death with no way to put in the pool and that would stop any chance to sell it to an outside source after the fight. I've seen it happen with KingB for the blackbelt items back in the day, if you wanted the item if it dropped you had to pay the LS Xgil to get invited and lot on it. By putting said items in a chest it locks it to only the members in the fight. I see that as an all around way to solve the HNM issue.

They are fun to fight, i've fought the king crab guy before with a friends LS. Its fun when the fight starts but only if your in the fight itself. Make the pop windows smaller or right from the start introduce an alternative way to release the item so everyone can have it (just make the alternative way a little harder to get, not like 50% harder like 10% harder)

[Aldersyde]

This thread is about discussing the content in the OP.

Camii u have commented several times in every thread on this issue. Mods have said before you don't need to comment in every thread about it, it's not doing anything.

If you don't support the thread, go trash talk it one of the other threads. This thread is not for people who are opposed to reasonable game suggestions and I will be reporting people who can't stay on topic.This is not a "we don't want that! thread. Camiie reading your previous posts, uve said that 8 DIFFERENT TIMES.

This suggestion is for those that do support it, there are thread where you can whine and complain elsewhere. This thread topic of interest is discussing the possible content suggested in the OP.
If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, gtfo...

"That makes the game look bad!"

"its not entertaining enough!" is spam. and reported.

Mods have also said from previous topics (which they closed), they've gotten a good idea of what the community thinks on the world spawn/HNM issue, so this whole topic is spam.

A pig slathered with lipstick is still no more than a pig slathered with lipstick.

Disagree with the whole premise of world spawn, free roaming HNM.

[Trisscar]

Spam thread report. Stupid idea, by the way.

[Dekar]

Anyone that wants to sit there for 3 hours waiting for a monster to pop to lose it to someone that bots can simply sit in Jeuno and get the same experience. If your biggest thrill in this game comes from beating another group in claiming a mob after waiting several hours then I can't begin to imagine what's wrong with you.

[Camiie]

Others have mentioned the drama aspect of HNM and I think that's a very important point. Not only does this drama cause rifts within linkshells and the community, but it also causes problems for SE (if anyone besides SE cares). I wonder how many GM calls they had to deal with because of the drama from HNM. I would imagine that they'd prefer to avoid content that's going to generate more calls.

[Trisscar]

I would like for you, Tuna, to answer me, Trisscar, this very relevant question: "What's in it for me?"

You see, only a handful of players (whom all seem to have severe anti-social disorders) want these world spawn HNMs. So, at some point, you are going to need me in order to fight this thing for you. Not just me, but a lot of people just like me. All for an item that's no better or worse than what we can more easily obtain by some other methods all for a cosmetic difference that serves to illustrate how anti-social you really are... Just so you can gloat how much of a 'better player' you are compared to everyone else.

Make no mistake, that's all it boils down to here. So, again: "What's in it for me?"

[Demon6324236]

Honestly with how you describe it, sounds exactly like afterglow.

[Trisscar]

Honestly with how you describe it, sounds exactly like afterglow.

It does, now that you mention it. Makes me wonder if the people advocating this nonsense are even in their right minds.

"Pay out XX million Gils to XX number of normal of people to waste 4 hours of their lives every 3-5 days for a piece of shiny that makes me feel better about myself."

Sure, sounds legit to me.

[Demon6324236]

Actually even billions from what I see on Phoenix even, thats why I said before that Afterglow is outrageous. 3000 Riftblahblah for 600~800k, 250 Marrow for 15~20Mil, and I have never seen PWs items sold or really shouted for much at all so I have no idea about Mythic, either way prices for these things are well into the billions and completely outrageous especially when you know its only a glow on a weapon for looks not even for effect.

But yeah I know what you mean, it makes you wonder why they bother putting it in really, especially because in my opinion its actually a mark down on you. You got afterglow means you are a completely selfish person most likely. I mean instead you could have bought enough AC for like 25 Relics from start to finish +lv99, but instead you wanted your weapon... to glow.

[Anapingofness]

I would like for you, Tuna, to answer me, Trisscar, this very relevant question: "What's in it for me?"

You see, only a handful of players (whom all seem to have severe anti-social disorders) want these world spawn HNMs. So, at some point, you are going to need me in order to fight this thing for you. Not just me, but a lot of people just like me. All for an item that's no better or worse than what we can more easily obtain by some other methods all for a cosmetic difference that serves to illustrate how anti-social you really are... Just so you can gloat how much of a 'better player' you are compared to everyone else.

Make no mistake, that's all it boils down to here. So, again: "What's in it for me?"

I like you. You say what most of us are thinking. ^_^ Thank you.

[wish12oz]

please LIKE my post. I think we can unite and agree a solution like this would be perfect for both crowds.

3 likes, compared to the original opposition post which has 11. Looks like youre losing!

Also, next time you make a thread, at least present new information that wasnt covered in the other 15 threads about the topic, like I did.

[Trisscar]

Actually even billions from what I see on Phoenix even, thats why I said before that Afterglow is outrageous. 3000 Riftblahblah for 600~800k, 250 Marrow for 15~20Mil, and I have never seen PWs items sold or really shouted for much at all so I have no idea about Mythic, either way prices for these things are well into the billions and completely outrageous especially when you know its only a glow on a weapon for looks not even for effect.

But yeah I know what you mean, it makes you wonder why they bother putting it in really, especially because in my opinion its actually a mark down on you. You got afterglow means you are a completely selfish person most likely. I mean instead you could have bought enough AC for like 25 Relics from start to finish +lv99, but instead you wanted your weapon... to glow.

Actually what they're asking for is much worse than all that combined.

PW, Qilin, and ADL can be spawned as many times as you like, pop items and time constraints permitting. So these 'hardcores' asking us 'casuals' to help them get these items isn't too painful for us and we get something out it.

HNMs they're advocating for is asking us to suffer 4 hours to try and claim an over camped monster so these 'hardcores' can claim 'superiority' to everyone that just helped them if they get their shiny, with rewards going only to those who 'truly deserve it' (meaning them and their ilk, apparently).

Yeah... I'm not exactly feeling the motivation to assist, here.



I like you. You say what most of us are thinking. ^_^ Thank you.

I have that tendency to speak my mind. My shell mates say I'm too negative, though.

[Demon6324236]

Oh I know, I'm just saying I agree I don't understand why SE makes or would make content that is inaccessible, pointless, rare, and worthless like Afterglow or items from HNMs that have slight differences. However at the same time if it keeps me from having to do the same HNMs the way they want while still getting the same gear just without a glow or something, I'm more than happy to accept it.

[Rosina]

tunasushi

I'm hardcore (time) player...

and I got a few questions,

1 WHY does the hnm need to be on long spawn timers?

2 How is putting the hnm on a long pop timer benifitcial to the game?

3 How is putting the hnm on a long pop timer good for the community?

4) How are putting hnm in bcnm/ksnm helping the "casual" players?

if you can please answer those questions I can comment.
And I would like well thought out replies, not "I want it because I want it".

[Winrie]

I'm still wondering why casuals are feeling entitled to only having their crowd tended to, or that they must do HNM if added, along with sub content that provides the exact same gear. Not supporting the OP it's jus a general observation thru the past what.. 4 HNM threads?

Let's go back to znm style NM, simple to farm, fun fights, no drama, good drops. I miss systems like that ^^

[Trisscar]

Let's go back to znm style NM, simple to farm, fun fights, no drama, good drops. I miss systems like that ^^

This is what most of us 'casuals' want. See? We can meet at the middle.

[Winrie]

I'm an ex hardcore HNM player, and I hella enjoyed znms, gave me the same thrill of fun big team fights with no time constraints or limits and the rewards were awesome, and at decent drop rates. Gave the same fun as HNM and a need for a LS, pls reintroduce!!!

[Randwolf]

I'm still wondering why casuals are feeling entitled to only having their crowd tended to, or that they must do HNM if added, along with sub content that provides the exact same gear. Not supporting the OP it's jus a general observation thru the past what.. 4 HNM threads?

Let's go back to znm style NM, simple to farm, fun fights, no drama, good drops. I miss systems like that ^^


I'm an ex hardcore HNM player, and I hella enjoyed znms, gave me the same thrill of fun big team fights with no time constraints or limits and the rewards were awesome, and at decent drop rates. Gave the same fun as HNM and a need for a LS, pls reintroduce!!!
It was fun. But, they screwed it up with that stupid picture taking. I understand some of the grinding stuff. But, that just took the wind out of everyone's sails. I know they raised the value of the photo's now. And, at 99, it should be easier for players to hold a mob to snap photos. But, I know a lot of people who won't return to it as long as that component exists. Just left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

[Hayward]

That ZNM idea had a lot of potential--later realized in Abyssea--but for that curveball S-E threw with the picture-taking system which basically added up to a gil sink no matter how you slice it. That pretty much sapped any motivation for me to get into that content.

I thought the same way about the Mythic weapon quests when they were first mentioned. Any alternative to shoveling obscene amounts of gil for a trophy is welcome to me. However, SE again threw that 12-6 curveball in the form of absurd amounts of Alexandrites (combined with making the acquisition of said items ridiculously slow), absurd amounts of event currency from events that have little (if any) relevance to the Mythic weapon storyline, and requiring items dropped from top-tier ZNMs. Again, any motivation I had was taken down to 0. About the only thing S-E got right was allowing an alternate quest for the Mythic Weapon Skills which, oddly enough, they got quite wrong in regards to Empyrean weapon skills.

[Jackstin]

Why not, instead of having a ridiculously large window, have a small window at a specific time of day, or during the week.

The camping aspect is 100% lame, for addicts only. But that doesn't mean all NMs should be easy, and making NMs appear infrequently is fine.

[Rosina]

by the way my set of questions is something you should Always think of when making a suggestion. SE (or any other company) need good reasons too look into content making as it does take time and money to make. More thought out your idea/suggestion is more SE as to work with to make it how everyone likes it. To suggest something based on your self is never wise.

So if anyone in agreement with tuna, can you please reply the questions. It well help your cause out greatly.

[Aldersyde]

I'm still wondering why casuals are feeling entitled to only having their crowd tended to, or that they must do HNM if added, along with sub content that provides the exact same gear. Not supporting the OP it's jus a general observation thru the past what.. 4 HNM threads?

Let's go back to znm style NM, simple to farm, fun fights, no drama, good drops. I miss systems like that ^^

Honestly, I really didn't care before if certain players wanted free-roaming hnms back. I had a pretty live and let live attitude towards it. But over the last week or so, the supporters have been so trollish, obnoxious, and just downright offensive that it just pissed me off. I honestly don't give a #@!* if they quit the game because they don't feel like they're being catered to (but lol ya right). In fact, I think the game would be better off without them.

[Winrie]

tunasushi

I'm hardcore (time) player...

and I got a few questions,

1 WHY does the hnm need to be on long spawn timers?

2 How is putting the hnm on a long pop timer benifitcial to the game?

3 How is putting the hnm on a long pop timer good for the community?

4) How are putting hnm in bcnm/ksnm helping the "casual" players?

if you can please answer those questions I can comment.
And I would like well thought out replies, not "I want it because I want it".

Figured id answer and retort with questions of my own, considering youve asked these questions like 4 times with no response.

1. They dont need to be on timers that are obnoxiously long, whomever says they need to needs to realize a lot of us are not teenagers anymore. Secondly if content is made readily available to obtain the same crap, why do you care so much?

2. You asked the same question practically three times. How is easy mode content beneficial to the game other than temporary satisfaction because it becomes beaten so quickly?

3. To answer # 2-3 here since they are practically the same, it benefits the people who want it, it sparks linkshell activity, which ultimately benefits a lot of people in the long run, considering alternative content is added like the old days with the same/Equivilent gear, people get to stop duoing and soloing and start to rebuild strong groups for raids. just the like old days of big linkshells, this is an MMO, not a single player/small lobby online game. On my server specifically i know of 2 large linkshells on the entire server, this is unacceptable, as the rest are between 6-10 people linkshells. Tell me how does a small 6 man LS do things like legion, Provenance, New limbus, New Odin, without having to worry about pick up group people ninjaing everything? Linkshells having a point and meaning again yes please.

4. KSNM, BCNM, ect. have been out from the beginning, and have always been nice for everyone. And they more than likely will continue to be. If you want to be technical about it, Back when HNMs were out, Limbus held Homam which was really great gear for a ton of jobs, and it came from an instanced event. The same would be held true to ZNMs if people had the patience to zeni farm which im sorry really wasnt that bad if you compare it to competing for a fafnir. Einherjar was instanced event too, Odin as well, Odin dropped HNM gear along with his own stuff that was awesome. Tell me, BESIDES WAIT TIMES IN BETWEEN ENTRIES. How were any of the above bad content to accompany HNMs massive c**kblock?

Not tryin to troll you, im making a point however, for a self proclaimed veteran and hardcore FFXI gamer, you complain HNM content along with non HNM content that actually serves as a relief from them and a means to gain great items, im unsure exactly where youre coming from. You cant tell me Voidwatch how it is at the moment is better than how sea, sky, einherjar, limbus, ZNM were as non HNM related content back when. Voidwatch in itself is a bigger c**kblock than trying to get a ridill on 95% of occasions unless you have insane luck, or now, obnoxious amounts of money to buy what you need.

You asking how instanced events and such would be beneficial outside HNM content makes me wonder why youre even screaming about HNMs in the first place.

Edit:
Notice i didnt add salvage? *#&$ salvage drop rates massive rng f**k system.
Forgot to add Nyzul Isle, that crap was fun as hell and dropped hella great stuff! Neo Nyzul does too!

[Rosina]

@ winnie
Instead off tossing venom, you may want to see who you are replying to then what "flag" they fall under. I thank you for replying to my questions. But no need for the venom. That is how fights start and threads close.

My opinion has been and will always be that we should have hnm.. but in away that everyone can kill them. With out worry about botting and drama.
I have suggested several means of spawning hnm that does not include 24+hr cool downs and 3 hour windows. Even as a Hard core I thought this to be rediculous.
Only reason I want hnm more so on shorter spawn times is to liven the world up. One of my fav moments in the past and me and my then b/f was going to bearclaw pinical. (sp?) it was a blizzard and as we walked a massive dragon like creature came into view. We avoided it and made our way to one of the most beautiful views in vana'diel.

I also stated many times I want this content, to have something to do. I am personally not looking to this for the rewards I may get.

[Zerich]

tunasushi

I'm hardcore (time) player...

and I got a few questions,

I've been staring at this post for a good amount of time now.

It would keep the players who have no desire to perform beyond full-timing AF3 from obtaining them.
He already stated his idea and POV (along with solutions) in his OP.

Please skill up your reading comprehension and try again.

It takes "hardcore" dedication to suck this hard. I want to cry.

[Rosina]

I've been staring at this post for a good amount of time now.

It would keep the players who have no desire to perform beyond full-timing AF3 from obtaining them.
He already stated his idea and POV (along with solutions) in his OP.

Please skill up your reading comprehension and try again.
It takes "hardcore" dedication to suck this hard. I want to cry.

What does that have to do with anything? People have every righ to content that their sub fee goes tward. And his "solutions" cost more money to make then anything. Got to remember something, Japan is still rebuilding. Plus teams are smaller.
And I did read the Post. All it reads is "I want this because I want it" And flings an insult at the player base. Which you do as well. All hnm are, are field bosses. You guys who claim hardcore put too much stock in your gear and its rareity. Finding and claiming an HNM isn't all that hard... literally anyone can do it at any level. Killing it is another story.
O btw cute comment...

[Rosina]

Since I hit the character limit, I would like to add that how a person gears their character in no way should keep them from content. That is such a rediculous mindset to have it is almost laughable. I see people leech level gear less. I see level 40 w/o subs. I've see bst who have no idea what jug pets are, and I've blus who had no blue magic spells @ 50... YET your too worried about what a player uses for gear who you will never meet in game, and tell them they can't do content.
That is so grade school bullying...

[Demon6324236]

Break it up you two...

[Rosina]

Break it up you two...

i'm not doing anything :) 100% innocent.

(joking btw)

but on topic. anyone else care to reply my quest preferable with out venom, school yard insults, and more then "i want this because i want this"?

also preferable with reward not being the forefront for the reason.

[Zerich]

Since I hit the character limit, I would like to add that how a person gears their character in no way should keep them from content.
My brain...



That is such a rediculous mindset to have it is almost laughable.
Everything that has come out of your mouth is not only terrifying, but pure comedic gold.



I see people leech level gear less.
wat



I see level 40 w/o subs. I've see bst who have no idea what jug pets are, and I've blus who had no blue magic spells @ 50...
I've seen people sinking mass amounts into a game that bradygames had a better understanding. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51S30V34ZDL._SS500_.jpg



YET your too worried about what a player uses for gear who you will never meet in game, and tell them they can't do content.
Join a Prov shout with any of your jobs.



That is so grade school bullying...
I urge you to reread the OP carefully.



Break it up you two...
But I'm not on a PS3...

[Demon6324236]

Like I said, break it up, as in, stop fighting.

[sc4500]

Why should people that work for a living or got families get a penalized for not being on? Until they modernize there party and linkshell system, the old waiting for hrs just will not work no more. I like think this game has grown up over the years and when it catches up to the modern mmos systems, but improve on them for once, not having the others fixed ff11 mistakes, but have ffx11 do some cool stuff. Till this day ff11 cutscenes and the world are amazzing after 10 yrs kind sucks no voice dialog.

[Dazusu]

Bad content makes the game look bad ... Poorly designed and badly thought out

Just because you don't enjoy it - doesn't mean its bad game design.

If the system was introduced, I'd like to see the spawn opportunity/window reduced from 3 hours to 30 minutes, with pop windows every 5 minutes during that 30 minute period, instead of every 30 minutes over a 3 hour period

As the OP suggested, all the drops would be available in Legion, etc, so if you don't like camping, you really don't have to and you won't miss out on anything.

[Trisscar]

Just because you don't enjoy it - doesn't mean its bad game design.


We don't like it. It isn't a bad design, it's a moronic one. What you're suggesting is that they reintroduce a moronic idea that was so horrible that they changed the spawn requirements from moronic to reasonable on the original HNM. You keep on harping this moronic idea but if it came out I would bet real Gil you wouldn't touch it with a stick ten yalms long.

So SE just wasted a lot of time and effort to program some stupid HNM that a majority of people don't want so you can feel better about yourelf for what's essentially artificial PvP when they could have implemented something else like (oh, I don't know) actual PvP.

You want to troll people to your hearts content, some morons out there want to as well. Troll each other in an orgasmic PvP frenzy for all I care. Leave real endgame to real players.

Damn, these debates are stupid. No wonder the mods lock these threads.

[Camiie]

Just because you don't enjoy it - doesn't mean its bad game design.

If the most enjoyable part of a game is doing something else because all you can do is stand around and wait, that's about as bad as game design can possibly get. It's a game without interactivity! That's like missing the entire point of being a game! It's like a radio station or TV network that's nothing but dead air. It's like a website with no information. I'm sure there are people who greatly enjoy silence and simplicity, but that doesn't mean any of those things are good for what they are supposed to be.



If the system was introduced, I'd like to see the spawn opportunity/window reduced from 3 hours to 30 minutes, with pop windows every 5 minutes during that 30 minute period, instead of every 30 minutes over a 3 hour period

You can compress and compact poop all you want, but it's still poop.


As the OP suggested, all the drops would be available in Legion, etc, so if you don't like camping, you really don't have to and you won't miss out on anything.

Legion? Really? What sort of HNM are you planning on fighting? The new PW or AV?

[Trisscar]

Legion? Really? What sort of HNM are you planning on fighting? The new PW or AV?

Oy, don't give Square any ideas now. They'd might actually do it.

[Apie]

Final Fantasy XIV has the right idea when it comes to NMs, spawns every 5 minutes on the dot and no placeholders. At first I thought that was stupid, but after a while, I realised that it's a thousand times better than waiting hours on FFXI for a small chance of pop and an even smaller chance of drop. I've been playing FFXI since it was first released and ever since FfXIV was drastically overhauled, it has actually become a much funner game than FFXI, sure it has very little content when compared to FFXI, which is not surprising, 10 years of content versus 1 year of content, but I never feel the fruatration that FFXI causes with even the smallest thing taking forever to do. This game needs less wait and more gaming. I dont miss camping black triple stars for 5 RL days straight to kill him 6 times, thats almost once a day and thats crappy useless black triple stars... I've been spoiled by FFXIV, Im now used to wanting to do something and 1 hour later its done, instead the 19 hours it would take to do something similar in FFXI. Ive got a lot of love for FFXI, but I probably won't ever get anymore highend stuff on here until they catch up with the improvements FFXIV offers already. Yes, yes, I know you all hate FFXIV, play the current build, it is much better than it was last year, it's like comparing the FFXI of 8 years ago with the FFXI of today, a drastic improvement.

[Trisscar]

Final Fantasy XIV has the right idea when it comes to NMs, spawns every 5 minutes on the dot and no placeholders. At first I thought that was stupid, but after a while, I realised that it's a thousand times better than waiting hours on FFXI for a small chance of pop and an even smaller chance of drop. I've been playing FFXI since it was first released and ever since FfXIV was drastically overhauled, it has actually become a much funner game than FFXI, sure it has very little content when compared to FFXI, which is not surprising, 10 years of content versus 1 year of content, but I never feel the fruatration that FFXI causes with even the smallest thing taking forever to do. This game needs less wait and more gaming. I dont miss camping black triple stars for 5 RL days straight to kill him 6 times, thats almost once a day and thats crappy useless black triple stars... I've been spoiled by FFXIV, Im now used to wanting to do something and 1 hour later its done, instead the 19 hours it would take to do something similar in FFXI. Ive got a lot of love for FFXI, but I probably won't ever get anymore highend stuff on here until they catch up with the improvements FFXIV offers already. Yes, yes, I know you all hate FFXIV, play the current build, it is much better than it was last year, it's like comparing the FFXI of 8 years ago with the FFXI of today, a drastic improvement.

As long as that bat, as well as similarly nocturnal mobs, only pops at night. Otherwise, I agree.

Edit: I just remembered that it spawns in a cave, so isn't exactly nocturnal. Nothing to see here.

[Apie]

Nah, its outside in rol.fields, but yeah I agree with you, if its a nighttime mob, then nighttime only is definitely acceptable.

[Trisscar]

Nah, its outside in rol.fields, but yeah I agree with you, if its a nighttime mob, then nighttime only is definitely acceptable.

Sorry, thought you was talking about a bat NM with a similar sounding name in the dunes (it spawns in one of two caves). Now where I agree they need to remove the lotto spawns all together and shorten the respawns quite a bit, I think shorting them all to 5 minutes like you suggest is a bit excessive. Some of these NM are killed for Empy trials, remember.

[Demon6324236]

Sorry, thought you was talking about a bat NM with a similar sounding name in the dunes (it spawns in one of two caves). Now where I agree they need to remove the lotto spawns all together and shorten the respawns quite a bit, I think shorting them all to 5 minutes like you suggest is a bit excessive. Some of these NM are killed for Empy trials, remember.

Golden Bat(Valk) (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Golden_Bat)
Black Triple Stars(Rolen) (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Black_Triple_Stars)

[Rosina]

Sorry, thought you was talking about a bat NM with a similar sounding name in the dunes (it spawns in one of two caves). Now where I agree they need to remove the lotto spawns all together and shorten the respawns quite a bit, I think shorting them all to 5 minutes like you suggest is a bit excessive. Some of these NM are killed for Empy trials, remember.

Nnd some of those trial mobs are used in other quests, and sometimes not every trial hunter invites you for ur stuff. (looking at you belt nm's and ninjas) So really, it will just let them complete the thing faster vs waiting hours to kill something.

I know a ton of ppl on lakshmi and odin who refuse to do the nm trails cuz of the wait times for those nms. I also had several friends do nm runs and got jipped on help. (even tho their said they would help me.)

But ya hate to say, how ffxiv did nm is spot on. You always see the nms up Which liven up the would a great deal... we already have nm like that who drop syn items.

[Rosina]

(text limit) I played ffxiv eariler this year and on and off last year. It was improved greatly. And will be improving a ton more coming 2.0. You guys get on my case for having an opinion w/o experiancing stuff. Well don't say ffxiv sucks if you only played it @ launch. I can't wait for ps3 launch. :3

only issue you guys may have is you can't gear swap in fights. And SE is adement about not adding it.

[Trisscar]

and some of those trail mobs are used in other quests, and sometimes now every trial hunter invites you for ur stuff. (looking at you belt nm's and ninjas) So really, it will just let them complete the thing faster vs waiting hours to kill something.

I know a ton of ppl on lakshmi and odin who refuse to do the nm trails cuz of the wait times for those nms. I also had several friends do nm runs and got jipped on help. (even tho their said they would help me.)

But ya hate to say, how ffxiv did nm is spot on. You always see the nms up Which liven up the would a great deal... we already have nm like that who drop syn items.

???

I'm sorry, but what's so hard about camping the non VNM parts of the trials? Sub BST or RNG and getting them is Childs play. As for the VNM themselves, I would agree that needs adjusting. As far as I know only a relative handful of jobs can solo them and getting help for them (as you say) is a lot like pulling teeth.

Compare this to the Aby HNMs (a large number of which can be done solo) and the VNM portion becomes the most absurd part of any trial (not the metals, and not the Qilin pixie dust).

[Rosina]

@ triss
I never said it was hard, they refuse to do it because of the time sink and wait is boring. Look at ninja trial, you hunt out the nms used for monk belt quests. And those are a b- to spawn since they lotto nm. (did belts 3 times) and one of those times i didn't know it was used for trials till an allience of ppl started harrassing me for killing lamburt which i needed for purple belt. Didn't even know they was in the area. infact one of the gave me a death threat.... ~.~

i gotta question though a bit off topic, what is with this solo mantality going on recently?

[Trisscar]

i gotta question though a bit off topic, what is with this solo mantality going on recently?

It's the only way to get much of the Empy trials done these days, unfortunately. As it stands the VNM and the Aby HNM needs to be adjusted, because getting help for them can be frustrating as hell (not to mention all the KI farming you have to do to pop even one HNM). Honestly, I would just love for these dipstick hardcores explain to someone who solo'd an Empy to 90 that they didn't put forth any effort to get their weapon.

[Rosina]

It's the only way to get much of the Empy trials done these days, unfortunately. As it stands the VNM and the Aby HNM needs to be adjusted, because getting help for them can be frustrating as hell (not to mention all the KI farming you have to do to pop even one HNM). Honestly, I would just love for these dipstick hardcores explain to someone who solo'd an Empy to 90 that they didn't put forth any effort to get their weapon.

o my god...

that is effin petty. (not you, lack of help) jeezum thats bs... what the effin heck happen to the "epic" community, yall become jaded?

personaly speaking, i didn't even do trials @ 95 cap... i tried a few and i not only had to solo... i did those elemental ones. I got so bored doing those. Too much waiting around. I'm all for effort... but waiting on content = no effort. in most cases ur afk watching anime, movie or questionable enternatinment.

[Demon6324236]

Try doing OAT trials, those are really fun alone, killing over 4000 mobs for my sword feels like hell.

[Trisscar]

Try doing OAT trials, those are really fun alone, killing over 4000 mobs for my sword feels like hell.

I'd do an OaT weapon except that I have this thing called sanity I'd like to keep. Tier IV VNM trophies, expensive cruor* items, absurd amount of kills to get. What the hell was Square thinking when they made this?

Edit: *Read up on the trials in question and found I was wrong (to be human is to err, I guess), the items in question don't cost cruor but resistance credits and dominion points.

[Rosina]

Try doing OAT trials, those are really fun alone, killing over 4000 mobs for my sword feels like hell.

whats OAT? >.>;; sorry first i'm hearing of it..

well killing a ton of mobs in come cases beats waiting and doing nothing... but ya... i did drk quest alot (due to 70+ restarts) so ya i can symithize
dear SE... change drk quest or at least add a counter in game...

but back on topic

most ppl here are basically saying, we want to do the content. Just w/o the waiting bs. Which ffxiv proves it can happen. Waiting to do content in this day and age is rediculous. Its getting to the point where I may as well just play (shoot me) WoW.... then ffxi. Due to the fact i wait more then I play. I want to play a game not wait around with my thumb up my bum.

heck is getter to were i actually stop'ed playing ffxi to play ffxiv.. and that game supposely sucks.

I love putting effort into the things I do as long as that effort is fun to do, and i'm not picky.

[Trisscar]

whats OAT? >.>;; sorry first i'm hearing of it..

well killing a ton of mobs in come cases beats waiting and doing nothing... but ya... i did drk quest alot (due to 70+ restarts) so ya i can symithize
dear SE... change drk quest or at least add a counter in game...

OaT = Occasionally attack Twice.

Something that gives Joy Toy HQ +999 to Blue Mage, Red Mage, and Paladin.

The work to get it is insane (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Sword_Trials) (read until you get to the OaT trials).

[Winrie]

There was no venom in my response, nor my questions. I dont get on here to troll, nor do i get on here to quote and reply to everyone who posts, or argue that i am a good player. My questions and responses were constructive, and just as useful as yours.

[wish12oz]

We don't like it. It isn't a bad design, it's a moronic one. What you're suggesting is that they reintroduce a moronic idea that was so horrible that they changed the spawn requirements from moronic to reasonable on the original HNM. You keep on harping this moronic idea but if it came out I would bet real Gil you wouldn't touch it with a stick ten yalms long.

He's actually the leader of an LS that paid more than $4,000 for bots, he would do the content, happily. His whole LS actually quit when abyssea came out too, mainly because it was hard content that required competent players, and couldn't be monopolized by their bots. I'm sad to see them back honestly. Whats the name of that LS again? Dryroot on Leviathan? was that it? I'm pretty sure thats it.

[Demon6324236]

Thats when you really gotta laugh at people, you are paying for something to make the game you are already paying monthly for, easier... lol.

[Rosina]

There was no venom in my response, nor my questions. I dont get on here to troll, nor do i get on here to quote and reply to everyone who posts, or argue that i am a good player. My questions and responses were constructive, and just as useful as yours.

well it seems like you was addressing me in the posts so I appologies. My questions were general, and in no way about me.

@ zerich I read OP several time, and it isn't all that thought out in terms of his cause. All he (as did everyone else before him) basicaly stated "i want this content because i want it" Not everyone on ffxi is gear centric, amd you guys are a small % of much larger gaming community. You can only speak for yourselves. But when you make a suggestion that effects everyone, you need to think of the best means to have said content.

having hnm on long spawns, and putting gear in bcnm isn't ideal for anyone. Some of us want to kill the hnm out in the world, not in an instance.

[Rosina]

OaT = Occasionally attack Twice.

Something that gives Joy Toy HQ +999 to Blue Mage, Red Mage, and Paladin.

The work to get it is insane (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Sword_Trials) (read until you get to the OaT trials).

ya i read them b4 just never seen anyone use oat in game b4. And mog trials by nature are insane... full of waiting, waiting, and more waiting. Kinda why I don't do them... too much waiting.

[Trisscar]

He's actually the leader of an LS that paid more than $4,000 for bots, he would do the content, happily. His whole LS actually quit when abyssea came out too, mainly because it was hard content that required competent players, and couldn't be monopolized by their bots. I'm sad to see them back honestly. Whats the name of that LS again? Dryroot on Leviathan? was that it? I'm pretty sure thats it.

So what they want is hand holding? Isn't that the exact opposite of what they are claiming to ask for? IE: A challenge?

[Demon6324236]

OAT are not popular because most jobs use an Emp or Relic, if they are 1 handers they use a weapon to make their DPS & WSs stronger rather than TP faster. Myself I prefer the idea of OATs because while a stronger WS is good, I think if I can do 3 WSs in the time you do 2, but mine are only 10% weaker, I am doing better than you are.

On Topic:The idea presented is the only way it can be done without to many people complaining. No matter what you do though complaints will be made.

[Rosina]

honestly long spawns are not the only way you can do hnm. ffxiv proved this. There are many styles of spawn SE used over time. Force pops, claimed pops, ki pops, gather and crafted pops. Time doesn't need to be a type of pop. Nor is really good for a game. All we do in ffxi is wait on everything, from parties, to help, to getting content done. MMo are games made for fun over mnths and maths of play. But that shouldn't be waiting for content. If you want gear to be rare... do token type method. that way u build up tokens to get said gear. Just have the hnm on low time or be force pop. this keep hnm lasting a while, anyone can do the content... and there is added challenge in having to build up tokens.

[Trisscar]

On Topic:The idea presented is the only way it can be done without to many people complaining. No matter what you do though complaints will be made.

The suggestions of ZNM type pops other poster (including myself) wouldn't work... Because?

[Demon6324236]

Like I said, there will always be complaining. They want to camp, that means they will complain if they don't get it. We want to have the content accessible to everyone, meaning we will complain if they get it. People want gear to be able to be gotten outside of it(myself included) so they don't have to camp, they will complain if the gear is only from the HNMs. List goes on and on but in the end its the same, no matter what is done someone will not be happy. And honestly his idea is one many have said including myself in past threads now closed, and is probably the one that steps on the least toes.

[Demon6324236]

The suggestions of ZNM type pops other poster (including myself) wouldn't work... Because?

Because they want the camp, not just the NMs, but the camping itself, I don't know why and apparently they do. ZNMs will not allow them the camping, and they will continue to complain because of it I'm sure. I would like the idea myself, it works so long as the picture thing isn't involved, but they want to camp so I figure let them.

[Camiie]

Thats when you really gotta laugh at people, you are paying for something to make the game you are already paying monthly for, easier... lol.

Not only that, but the ones asking for a hardcore challenge and degrading casual players are the ones most likely to cheat2win. Am I the only one who sees that as the ultimate irony?

[wish12oz]

I love when the king camping crowd tries to act like Kings or any of that stuff was at all difficult after 2006~
The only hard part was getting claim, which they used bots for, then they felt superior to everyone else and could block them from being able to do content. That is what this arguement is really about. People who paid lots of money for bots are mad they cant use those bots to get stuff no one else can get anymore.

[FrankReynolds]

I think the bottom line here is that there are already tons of world spawn NMs that no one camps regularly because they don't have good drops. So the fun / challenge of camping a spawn NM and killing it is clearly not what these people care about.

Anyone who has played this game long enough to get to where they think they are ready to fight an HNM should have long realized that FFXI is absolutely the wrong game to play for PVP, so they are barking up the wrong tree if they want to compete with other players in any meaningful way.

As far as making friends, etc. while camping... go to port Jeuno. It's like a swingers bar full of chatty galkas and cats.

If you just want to have something that no one else has... build a PUP Mythic.

EDIT: sort of funny that the second post got 3 times as many likes as the OP

[Dazusu]

He's actually the leader of an LS that paid more than $4,000 for bots ... His whole LS actually quit when abyssea came out too, mainly because it was hard content that required competent players

Sadly you are misinformed. Never paid anything for a bot. That's a stupid thing to do. Secondly, our website shows we conquered every Abyssea zone when they came out - then quit after it got stale. If you're going to *attempt* to talk trash, at least get your basics correct or you'll end up looking like a bitter hater / fabricator :(

[FrankReynolds]

Someone else paid? or you built your own? :P

[mikeh]

He's actually the leader of an LS that paid more than $4,000 for bots, he would do the content, happily. His whole LS actually quit when abyssea came out too, mainly because it was hard content that required competent players, and couldn't be monopolized by their bots. I'm sad to see them back honestly. Whats the name of that LS again? Dryroot on Leviathan? was that it? I'm pretty sure thats it.

Mediocre post. 4/10 for effort. I'd say you're about 0% correct and about 95% anally devastated. Maybe you got upset because you couldn't afford to buy a dalmatica? Hmmm. Also, I find it hilarious that you pretend you don't know what our linkshell is called or what server we hail from when you claim to know everything about us!

I recommend you put more effort into your own linkshell and players before criticizing others too ;)

[Apie]

I don't know any of you, so I don't know if there's long term beef between some of you, but let's stop attacking one another.

Why do people hate it when things can be soloed and people do a lot soloing? I understand many want to be in parties all the time, but not all of us have that much time. Most content should be soloable, but easier or more rewarding in parties. I'm spending a lot of time on FFXIV to do all the non-repeatable pre-2.0 content, so when I come on FFXI, I don't have the liberty of looking for a long time to find a party to do things with. Technically I don't solo cause we play together (I'm married) and we have a third account whm to save our butts, but ya'll know what I mean.

Back to the NM conversation, yes 5 minutes would be short and would make emp. way too easy, but more reasonable spawn times and more than one placeholder to lessen competition would be a welcomed improvement. It shouldn't be so frustrating to play a Final Fantasy game. ;). There's so much content that making most NMs an easy spawn would still leave with a ton of things to do, more than most can handle.

[Rosina]

@ apie... its part of the genre to group.. well used to be. mmorpg does stand for massive multiplayer online role playing game. I've played a few mmo such as WoW, that most content is soloable outside raids. Aand even people find that boring now. Then you have star wars tor. Its 99% soloable. so much so its a solo rpg just with tacked on online features. (or so i've heard) Also I hate to say this, but I used to play ffxi with a 2hr time limit. I still found groups. I still got content done. How I did this was plan ahead with ppl. ask them to be up and ready for when i got on, and put my character in the area i needed to be in. I haven't seen a fight last more then an hr in this game.

[Zerich]

He's actually the leader of an LS that paid more than $4,000 for bots, he would do the content, happily.

Why not just be like Elettaria and pay $4000 for your gearz?

[Rosina]

i would like to add apie as i forgot something, this is a final fantasy game. Which you mostly worked as a party of characters. So having most content soloable it does make it "un final fantasy" like. And this is coming from a die hard zelda fan. And not a FF fan.

[Apie]

Yeah, but some people play just because it's a Final Fantasy game, not because they want to be social or do things with others. With the offline ones, you were in a party or 3 to 5, but you still soloed it cause u played it as 1 person controlling the entire party. Ive reached a point where I dont play FFXI nor FFXIV to be social at all anymore, I just want the content and working towards other gear/goals, that's why I still play so I guess Im part of the group that's happy that sooo much is soloable now. Which explains why I don't do any content that requires parties anymore unless it's absolutely necessary. Im just here for the game, not the people playing it, I pay $54 a month for this game (3 accounts, 18 characters,) I should be allowed to enjoy the game without needing others, doesn't that sound fair?

[Rosina]

@ apie
as mean as this going to sound your in the wrong genre then. Part of the mmorpg experience IS to be social. And saddly as mean as this sound, more and more ppl like u are logging into mmo and are infact ruining it for true mmo players. i'm finding it hard to play mmoeog anymore as all ppl want to do is solo. Finding a group is near impossible. I don't play mmorpg to be solo... no one should or it wouldn't be called an mmorpg. I'm all for different play styles, but not one that infact kills mine off.

and honestly... no because ur one less person who can group with others... its bad enough allready.
people like you are the reason the mmo is in essence dieing. they are becoming sorpg. (solo rpg) there just not enough ppl to group with any more because more and more ppl want to solo.

this isn't good for the game, genre or the community.

[wish12oz]

Maybe you got upset because you couldn't afford to buy a dalmatica? Hmmm. Also, I find it hilarious that you pretend you don't know what our linkshell is called or what server we hail from when you claim to know everything about us!

My mannequin wore my Dalmatica after I retired RDM which is most likely before you started playing, thanks. And I wasnt pretending to not know, I was illustrating that I wasnt positive if that was the name and server, because its been awhile and I didnt want to say something and have been wrong. My gear is better than yours now too, wanna compare?


Why not just be like Elettaria and pay $4000 for your gearz?

I dunno who that is, sorry.


Secondly, our website shows

You should probably avoid pointing people to your website, that front picture of Odin II shows exactly what Im talking about with your LS.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/odins-chamber-2.jpg
I decided to be nice and removed the name, but ya, this is on your front page. GG Mr. Nohaxx


EDIT: And ya, Im a hater, and I especially hate that for awhile, I was forced to hang out with an LS full of bad players simply because there was 1 item I wanted I couldnt get in any other LS.

[Afania]

Bad content makes the game look bad.

Poorly designed and badly thought out activities like HNM makes the game look bad by encouraging MPK and botting. It makes the community look really awful if the supposed best and the brightest are treating one another like absolute trash.

HNM makes the game look impossibly boring and non-interactive. I've seen so many people over the years comment on how the best part of HNM was being able to watch TV between windows. Imagine that sort of comment appearing in a review. Be totally objective and answer this: If you saw in a game review that the most fun to be had in an integral part of a game was idling your character while watching TV, would you seriously consider buying it?

So, no, I won't support the return of HNM even with alternate loot distribution methods. I'd rather have content that makes the game looks at least somewhat modern.


This is pretty much the point I tried to make in the previous HNM topics. No company in their right mind would want to reintroduce content that effectively isn't entertaining. A game that fails to entertain is a game that cannot accomplish the core reason anyone would play a game, fun.

Honestly I don't get it.

It is obviously that for some group of ppl, they enjoy HNM, and just let them enjoy what they want. YOU think it's not entertaining, ok fine, everyone should respect your opinion. But that doesn't mean everyone else should think the same as you do.

But your reply is what really makes the community looked bad. "If you enjoy what I don't enjoy, you make me looked bad, and what you said are considered spam". So other players are not allowed to enjoy what you don't enjoy? If someone enjoy logging on for 3hr and semi-afk while watching TV, let them do what they want and have fun, is that a big crime?

The OP specifically came up with an idea, that both group, enjoy the content or not, gets same reward. Nobody put a gun on your head and ask you to do the content you don't enjoy, just pick the content you enjoy and avoid the one you don't enjoy, do you have to eliminate everyone that has different opinion as you?

Either way, I support OPs idea. This game should be more diverse, and satisfy every different kind of player, instead of catering toward only one group of ppl.

[Demon6324236]

You misunderstand. A game is meant to be played and is meant to bring entertainment. If you are doing something else while waiting on the game to be fun, that is bad. The games goal is to entertain you, not bore you so you do something else waiting for it to become entertaining. If you went to a restaurant and ordered food, then they took 3 hours for you to get your food to you, but they gave you a small room with a TV in it to watch while you wait, the restaurant would not get much business. You went there for food, however you have to wait 3 hours to get what you came for.

Things like this are shown in the past to reflect badly. Absolute Virtue and Pandemonium Warden were both NMs so hard people had labeled them as nearly impossible. There were things saying all over the internet that people were staying up for 10s of hours fighting these NMs, while I'm sure some people liked this content and the idea of such an incredible battle of epic proportions, it made the game get some bad publicity. I'm sure this is why people are saying it makes the game look bad, because of these instances showing much of the same thing before.

[Meyi]

I'm down for compromises. I don't mind if rare HNM gear exists, so long as I can get it on my own or in smaller groups. Such as, if they made a Trial of Magian of the gear that drops from the HNM (same name or a different name matters not to me) with the exact same stats, then I'm okay with it.

Granted, if it was rare, it would need to require a lot of work outside of the lucky drop. That way lottery, competitive people are happy, and unlucky, slow-but-steady people such as myself are happy too. :)

I didn't like the HNM era because I couldn't obtain a lot of amazing gear. If it was obtainable in my own sense of the definition, then I'd be okay with other people obtaining it in their preferred way.

[Demon6324236]

I love when the king camping crowd tries to act like Kings or any of that stuff was at all difficult after 2006~
The only hard part was getting claim, which they used bots for, then they felt superior to everyone else and could block them from being able to do content. That is what this arguement is really about. People who paid lots of money for bots are mad they cant use those bots to get stuff no one else can get anymore.

I would agree with you except... if this was the case they would not offer a compromise. With the compromise they cant get things no one else can anyways, so it makes no sense they would propose it. This is the only reason I assume they are actually just wanting the NMs to camp. It makes no sense to me why they would want it, but with how they talk of it and how this idea is offered it seems the only logical conclusion, which is they want to camp it, rare gear or not.

[Rosina]

@ afa
do you actually know what is being said in the op? do you understsand the concept of that?

I ask because it seems you skip over the fact that they want LONG spawns rates as in 24 hours cool down with 3+ hr windows after it hits the 24+ hr mark. That means these nms will appear once a day... that leaves A TON of ppl out. Only a select 18 can even remotely claim this at a decent hour.
I miss out on hnm pops in the 12-20 hr i was awake cuz it always seemed to pop in a time frame where i'm sleeping.

SE changed most of the hnm that fell under such a massive cool down. And even still i know my self and a few others on Lakshmi and odin enjoyed killing hnm just hated the massive restriction that was time. Not all of us want instance fights.

So i ask why do you support this idea when their "fun" which was FULLY Addmited that they want these just to have claim wars. and and fight need not apply. And said claims wars were stupid and drove out community to how it is now.

[Rosina]

ok ima say this once...
" Nobody put a gun on your head and ask you to do the content you don't enjoy, just pick the content you enjoy and avoid the one you don't enjoy, do you have to eliminate everyone that has different opinion as you?"

please stop saying this guys... this is the most idiot reply i keep seeing (not the ppl typing it but the comment in general)

did it ever sink into ur heads that people WANT to do the content, but due to the short sighted suggestions prevent them for doing it.

people are short sighted to how hnm can be spawned, and have been even more suggestions as to spawn them... or have a very very low on the dot cool down. Much like u see in WoW or the synergy nms in ffxi. I would love to see hnm daily and avoid them much like bloodtear baldef back in the day. this was back on my 2hr days.. he would always be up in latheine. and would kill me too.

this game only needs to cater the ffxi playerbase... only the idiots use the segrigation of "hardcore and casual".

[Rosina]

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out of honestly i didn't see the hard core casual fighting bs till the forums were out. this was a complete non issue till then. I was never once called a casual or hardcore in game. Nor did i see myself as such.
we all play at different times of a 24 hr time across 40+ time zones. and for different langths... we don't need petty political style lables.

content is effin content.... should be lucky we are getting content and a new expac with such an old mmo.

instead of fighting over who is good and bad, who is casual or hard core.. just focus on giving feed back and suggestion content that isn't restricted to anyone. We could use some fresh blood in the game with so many mmo failing now or going to free to play, ppl need a good sturdy mmo to go to. I just want fun content i can form a party for and go to fight... no time systen restrictions. pref in the open world. too much content now is solo , solo , solo.. if i wanted to play solo... is be on skyrim. i play mmo for the grouping.

[mikeh]

My mannequin wore my Dalmatica after I retired RDM which is most likely before you started playing, thanks. And I wasnt pretending to not know, I was illustrating that I wasnt positive if that was the name and server, because its been awhile and I didnt want to say something and have been wrong. My gear is better than yours now too, wanna compare?



I dunno who that is, sorry.



You should probably avoid pointing people to your website, that front picture of Odin II shows exactly what Im talking about with your LS.
I decided to be nice and removed the name, but ya, this is on your front page. GG Mr. Nohaxx


EDIT: And ya, Im a hater, and I especially hate that for awhile, I was forced to hang out with an LS full of bad players simply because there was 1 item I wanted I couldnt get in any other LS.

I'd love to know where you get your information from. Care to tell us?

Also, if i wanted to be warrior only and have no utility what-so-ever, I'd probably get kicked for being a waste of a linkshell slot.

Let's see your drk, sam, drg, rdm, whm, brd, mnk, rng and pld sets then.

[Rosina]

I'd love to know where you get your information from. Care to tell us?

Also, if i wanted to be warrior only and have no utility what-so-ever, I'd probably get kicked for being a waste of a linkshell slot.

Let's see your drk, sam, drg, rdm, whm, brd, mnk, rng and pld sets then.

you do realise ur are making urself look guilty by bringing in a petty fight about something that has nothing to do with said accusation..
if u guys are free of guilt.... act like it.. not pull out the bully card.

if ur soo innocent avt like it... so far your proving otherwise. ur trying to change the subject.

[Zerich]

/em grabs the popcorn.

[mikeh]

you do realise ur are making urself look guilty by bringing in a petty fight about something that has nothing to do with said accusation..
if u guys are free of guilt.... act like it.. not pull out the bully card.

if ur soo innocent avt like it... so far your proving otherwise. ur trying to change the subject.

I'm making myself look guilty by calling out bare faced liars? Ok Tim, whatever you say!

As for trying to change the subject... I'm bored and i guess this will amuse me for a bit, maybe?

[Aldersyde]

The OP specifically came up with an idea, that both group, enjoy the content or not, gets same reward. Nobody put a gun on your head and ask you to do the content you don't enjoy, just pick the content you enjoy and avoid the one you don't enjoy, do you have to eliminate everyone that has different opinion as you?

One reason I don't support the dual-method approach to the same reward is because SE can't pull it off. If they implemented a system that utilized a ??? and a low-drop rate pop item, then it might be acceptable. However, we all know that SE will design a convoluted, time sink method where it will take weeks or months to even get to the mob you want to fight. Meanwhile, anyone willing to bot the new mobs (because we all know that's what's going to happen) will be able to fight and get rewards instantly. So you just get SE rewarding AFK and automated play again (because SE won't/can't get rid of the botters), which in other facets of the game, SE tells us is bad.

And unless SE implements some kind of restriction that people participating in one type of content can't participate in the other (which I can't see them doing), one side will get two ways to get the new items. It's not like the people wanting the HNM system will not use the other event to get what they want faster. People who were doing HNM kings also did Odin on a regular basis. So really, in essence, there's no compromise in the OP at all. One side is clearly advantaged over the other People who want to be on equal footing will have to do both events, no matter how boring/frustrating/repugnant they are.

[Hercule]

Honestly I don't get it.

It is obviously that for some group of ppl, they enjoy HNM, and just let them enjoy what they want. YOU think it's not entertaining, ok fine, everyone should respect your opinion. But that doesn't mean everyone else should think the same as you do.

But your reply is what really makes the community looked bad. "If you enjoy what I don't enjoy, you make me looked bad, and what you said are considered spam". So other players are not allowed to enjoy what you don't enjoy? If someone enjoy logging on for 3hr and semi-afk while watching TV, let them do what they want and have fun, is that a big crime?

The OP specifically came up with an idea, that both group, enjoy the content or not, gets same reward. Nobody put a gun on your head and ask you to do the content you don't enjoy, just pick the content you enjoy and avoid the one you don't enjoy, do you have to eliminate everyone that has different opinion as you?

Either way, I support OPs idea. This game should be more diverse, and satisfy every different kind of player, instead of catering toward only one group of ppl.

300% approve

[Tunasushi]

One reason I don't support the dual-method approach to the same reward is because SE can't pull it off. If they implemented a system that utilized a ??? and a low-drop rate pop item, then it might be acceptable. However, we all know that SE will design a convoluted, time sink method where it will take weeks or months to even get to the mob you want to fight. Meanwhile, anyone willing to bot the new mobs (because we all know that's what's going to happen) will be able to fight and get rewards instantly. So you just get SE rewarding AFK and automated play again (because SE won't/can't get rid of the botters), which in other facets of the game, SE tells us is bad.

And unless SE implements some kind of restriction that people participating in one type of content can't participate in the other (which I can't see them doing), one side will get two ways to get the new items. It's not like the people wanting the HNM system will not use the other event to get what they want faster. People who were doing HNM kings also did Odin on a regular basis. So really, in essence, there's no compromise in the OP at all. One side is clearly advantaged over the other People who want to be on equal footing will have to do both events, no matter how boring/frustrating/repugnant they are.


I think most who actually did einherjar and HNM will agree, you are SERIOUSLY, INCREDIBLY DELUSIONAL, if you honestly think MOST people obtained ebody FASTER doing nidhogg than they did doing einherjar. I'm okay with opinion, which is why i've stayed out of this, but this is just bs.

Waiting ONE WEEK for HQ king, that you have to compete for, odds are low you will claim everytime, is not much different than waiting 3 days for einherjar and doing odin every 2 weeks 100%, which was easier for most groups. Both are artificial time sinks, but claiming nidhogg is probably easier than wiping in einherjar. The average shell claimed nidhogg once every 2-3 weeks. Above Average einherjar group did odin every 2 weeks.




Seriously, stop posting. You're delusional.

[FrankReynolds]

I think most who actually did einherjar and HNM will agree, you are SERIOUSLY, INCREDIBLY DELUSIONAL, if you honestly think MOST people obtained ebody FASTER doing nidhogg than they did doing einherjar. I'm okay with opinion, which is why i've stayed out of this, but this is just bs.

Waiting ONE WEEK for HQ king, that you have to compete for, odds are low you will claim everytime, is not much different than waiting 3 days for einherjar and doing odin every 2 weeks 100%, which was easier for most groups. Both are artificial time sinks, but claiming nidhogg is probably easier than wiping in einherjar. The average shell claimed nidhogg once every 2-3 weeks. Above Average einherjar group did odin every 2 weeks.




Seriously, stop posting. You're delusional.

People who did Einherjar AND Nidhogg definitely got e.body faster than people who only did einherjar.

Advantage goes to the botter.

[Trisscar]

I think most who actually did einherjar and HNM will agree, you are SERIOUSLY, INCREDIBLY DELUSIONAL, if you honestly think MOST people obtained ebody FASTER doing nidhogg than they did doing einherjar. I'm okay with opinion, which is why i've stayed out of this, but this is just bs.

Waiting ONE WEEK for HQ king, that you have to compete for, odds are low you will claim everytime, is not much different than waiting 3 days for einherjar and doing odin every 2 weeks 100%, which was easier for most groups. Both are artificial time sinks, but claiming nidhogg is probably easier than wiping in einherjar. The average shell claimed nidhogg once every 2-3 weeks. Above Average einherjar group did odin every 2 weeks.




Seriously, stop posting. You're delusional.

And you're being intentionally dishonest. You don't care about the camp, the monster, or the gear, you and your ilk just want to claim you're 'better players' than everyone else. At least that taru player has the balls to admit to it.

[Demon6324236]

And you're being intentionally dishonest. You don't care about the camp, the monster, or the gear, you and your ilk just want to claim you're 'better players' than everyone else. At least that taru player has the balls to admit to it.

Don't go insulting people please, creates problems like before, be civil.

[Hercule]

People who did Einherjar AND Nidhogg definitely got e.body faster than people who only did einherjar.

Advantage goes to the botter.

I like to see how every "anti HNM" people speak about "bot", like they really tried all of them and have a serious experience about using them, and know how efficient they are.
I outclaimed plenty of botter with my lolxbox 360 pad and i can tell you a claim bot dont give a lot of more chance to claim than legit players cause SE did the work really well for counter them

[Trisscar]

Don't go insulting people please, creates problems like before, be civil.

If it offends them, then they know it to be true.

[FrankReynolds]

I like to see how every "anti HNM" people speak about "bot", like they really tried all of them and have a serious experience about using them, and know how efficient they are.
I outclaimed plenty of botter with my lolxbox 360 pad and i can tell you a claim bot dont give a lot of more chance to claim than legit players cause SE did the work really well for counter them

So you haven't used them, but you met a really nice bot user who was willing to let you know every time you beat him to the claim so that you could accurately document how well bots work? Lucky you.

[Hercule]

So you haven't used them, but you met a really nice bot user who was willing to let you know every time you beat him to the claim so that you could accurately document how well bots work? Lucky you.

Therefore your word are not more accurate than mine.

[FrankReynolds]

Therefore your word are not more accurate than mine.

So despite the hundreds if not thousands of banned accounts, millions of forum threads, countless GM calls and the fact that SE changed these NMs to counter bots, you still want me to believe that they have no affect on claiming huh? Okay.

[Zerich]

If it offends them, then they know it to be true.

Triss, don't worry. People get offended when you ask why they're naked in a PT nowadays.

[Hercule]

So despite the hundreds if not thousands of banned accounts, millions of forum threads, countless GM calls and the fact that SE changed these NMs to counter bots, you still want me to believe that they have no affect on claiming huh? Okay.

No the problem was not "Claim Bot" or anything (And the number of people that used a real working claimbot is probably realy realy low)

The problem was that most of player always said that the guy that outclaim them botting,
I dont remember how many time i received /tell from randoms players, that said "I will GM you, you botting, KA poped already claimed!" QQ etc... (of course i dont used one, i'm was even on my Xbox 360 and still get complainer about bot)
...And yes, ok, I confess, even myself I raged after getting outclaimed, and said that the other team is botting, but i never ever made a GM call.

Even in /say "Oh this team claimed it again, they use bot!"

So of course SE went tired because of all this unfounded complain GM call

Because in FFXI when people raged they used GM call to tell them "this guys outclaimed me!!! and he use a bot!"

Thats why in my thread about return of HNM (here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/18977-Suggestion-How-to-reintroduce-HNMLS-gameplay-in-FFXI-Lv99%E2%80%8F )
I suggest that new HNMs should claim a random player in range (and not the players claiming them!), so if it is the HNM that claiming a random player in range, no one can say that the HNM using a bot, because the HNM is an official Square Enix bot lol

[Trisscar]

Triss, don't worry. People get offended when you ask why they're naked in a PT nowadays.

I never got that. At least put on the RSE 1 if you're going to leech.

[Zerich]

I never got that. At least put on the RSE 1 if you're going to leech.

Nope, this was a mines PT getting up a BRD sub, they started calling everyone a gimp.

Nude WAR/DNC with a sword(only) on skeles. smh

[Demon6324236]

If it offends them, then they know it to be true.

I only wish to caution against it because the last few threads that were locked were due to it.

[katiekat]

"If you just want to have something that no one else has... build a PUP Mythic."

i was taking a drink when i red that line and shot my milk out my noes. +100 points for that one XD

[wish12oz]

I'd love to know where you get your information from. Care to tell us?

I had a mule on Levi for awhile, and just maybe I paid a bit of attention to the HNM scene.


Also, if i wanted to be warrior only and have no utility what-so-ever, I'd probably get kicked for being a waste of a linkshell slot.

My NIN and WHM are pretty awesome, once theres a reason to gear PLD again I will bother with it too.


Let's see your drk, sam, drg, rdm, whm, brd, mnk, rng and pld sets then.

Why would I gear a bunch of useless jobs to make them awesome? Tell you what, get SE to make these jobs useful, and I'll have them geared better than you in a week. Also, my DRG is like 37, lol, and MNK is 91, and my BRD mule is decent too.

[mikeh]

If i don't have it leveled, it's a useless job huehue


Yeah, nah. You're pretty useless. You'd never get in a decent shell with just those jobs.

Also, I'd have my warrior geared the best it could possibly be in less than a week if i were to make it my sole job, but i won't because that's just plain stupid.

You must have not paid much attention to the Levi HNM scene if you think everything you said to be true.

Maybe you made a mistake and made it on another server? Either way it gave me a good chuckle the first time i read it.

[Aldersyde]

I think most who actually did einherjar and HNM will agree, you are SERIOUSLY, INCREDIBLY DELUSIONAL, if you honestly think MOST people obtained ebody FASTER doing nidhogg than they did doing einherjar. I'm okay with opinion, which is why i've stayed out of this, but this is just bs.

Waiting ONE WEEK for HQ king, that you have to compete for, odds are low you will claim everytime, is not much different than waiting 3 days for einherjar and doing odin every 2 weeks 100%, which was easier for most groups. Both are artificial time sinks, but claiming nidhogg is probably easier than wiping in einherjar. The average shell claimed nidhogg once every 2-3 weeks. Above Average einherjar group did odin every 2 weeks.




Seriously, stop posting. You're delusional.

The thing is, I didn't offer that opinion...you put it in my mouth and then made an argument against it. When you start seeing things in my words that aren't there, that's delusional.

You think you're putting players who don't want HNM on equal footing by implementing events which offer the same items. The thing is, it's not equal footing at all because pro-HNM people can, and will, the new event as well, to increase the chance of getting the item. You can't mathematically deny that a person doing both events will have an overall advantage over a person doing one. I know I'm repeating myself here but it appears you didn't really get the message the first time.

Learn to read better and/or stop building strawmans.

[Demon6324236]

Decent shells wont take the most useful job in abyssea and the most important healing job in the game if both are well geared? Due to Ukon & Calad I would think also decent~well geared WAR & DRK, no reason to say someone is worthless especially if you don't look at what your talking about. You talk out your ass too, people just having petty fights like this is stupid and why civility is impossible on these forums...

[mikeh]

Decent shells wont take the most useful job in abyssea and the most important healing job in the game if both are well geared? Due to Ukon & Calad I would think also decent~well geared WAR & DRK, no reason to say someone is worthless especially if you don't look at what your talking about. You talk out your ass too, people just having petty fights like this is stupid and why civility is impossible on these forums...

Oh ok. Let's all level WAR + WHM only. That's sure to win something other than abyssea!

[Demon6324236]

Oh ok. Let's all level WAR + WHM only. That's sure to win something other than abyssea!

WAR, NIN, DRK, and WHM, those are 4 good jobs. If you need the person on a support job they have WHM, for abyssea you have them on NIN for procs, tank, DD, basically NIN can do everything with a WHM in abyssea which is what I was referring to btw. DRK & WAR for DDs, WAR for procs as well, DRK for if you need a DRK in VW, stuns, absorbs to make the enemy weaker or steal TP. WAR for straight up DDing with party wide buffs like Warcry & Blood Rage if you are zerging or need some solid damage.

4 jobs that can be useful in endgame very easily, Abyssea being endgame or not you will need to do for any new Emps going into the linkshell or being upgraded to lv90, so it is safe to assume they should be counted as well.

I never said that you should only level WAR or WHM, you said a person is useless because they have 4 jobs leveled and geared, but your in a fight with them and as all uncivilized fights like this are you just throw words at your enemy and hope they stick.

The most important jobs in the game right now are, WAR, MNK, WHM, PLD, DRK, BRD, BST(if people are doing Dyna for currency within the linkshell at all), SAM, NIN(mainly for abyssea when making Emps), SMN(when PD is involved), COR and SCH(when Embrava is involved). That is the list of jobs, that is a total of 12 jobs useful right now outside of procing only positions. Now, when looking at these 12 jobs the 4 jobs listed the person who is "useless" has, are all in this list actually. Meaning in some way at some times they will be useful on all of the 4 jobs geared.

I say again, you are fighting like uncivil idiots, no reason to insult eachother, no need to act like this. You both apparently speak of that which you do not know, so talking as you are now is just making you both look like asses. Threads have been being closed for people arguing and the arguments being reported, rather than letting more threads die in the same week about this topic I rather people stop fighting, and be civil about things for once.

[Rosina]

Nope, this was a mines PT getting up a BRD sub, they started calling everyone a gimp.

Nude WAR/DNC with a sword(only) on skeles. smh

ok i'm not keen on calling ppl gimp for have frealky sub choices...

BUT OMG IS THAT PERSON AN IDIOT. /dnc = useless on skele sword is what skele are strong against. *slams head on desk* at least use a staff or sub mnk and use ur fists... /facepalm.

[mikeh]

Wahhh Internet forums are sometimes offtopic

Awww cute.

[Demon6324236]

Awww cute.

Yep, you get the thread locked then. You keep ignoring whats said and making yourself look like an ass, cool for you.

[mikeh]

Yep, you get the thread locked then. You keep ignoring whats said and making yourself look like an ass, cool for you.

Meanwhile, you're replying to me when i asked you nothing.

H-hello.. Hypocrite police?...

[wish12oz]

Yeah, nah. You're pretty useless. You'd never get in a decent shell with just those jobs.


It's funny that you say that like I dont have those jobs leveled.
WAR 99 MNK 91
WHM 50 BLM 49
RDM 99 THF 99
PLD 99 DRK 99
BST 32 BRD 26
RNG 99 SAM 99
NIN 99 DRG 36
SMN 63 BLU 37
COR 99 PUP 0
SCH 23 DNC 99

Here's the list, with a RDM/WHM/Soon to be SCH mule, and a BRD mule, both of which I will probably get Alexander and lvl SMN for after.

Now lets look at your job selection.
WAR 99 MNK 99
WHM 50 BLM 50
RDM 99 THF 50
PLD 99 DRK 99
BST 30 BRD 99
RNG 99 SAM 99
NIN 99 DRG 99
SMN 50 BLU 23
COR 41 PUP 27
SCH 11 DNC 50

NIN, PLD, 2 support jobs, RNG for ranged damage, 6 melees. While I have NIN, can gear PLD quickly if it becomes useful, TH7, Healer on it's own account, 3 different support jobs on 3 different accounts, RNG, and the best melee with the best gear possible. I guess I beat you here too.

Nice NQ Adaberk too, it goes nice with your 85 Ukon.


Also, I'd have my warrior geared the best it could possibly be in less than a week if i were to make it my sole job, but i won't because that's just plain stupid.

Maybe if you got that, you could get up to my level.


You must have not paid much attention to the Levi HNM scene if you think everything you said to be true.

Maybe you made a mistake and made it on another server? Either way it gave me a good chuckle the first time i read it.

I'd chuckle too if someone so pointedly said everything my LS did. Wanna try again to prove you're somehow superior to me?

[Demon6324236]

Meanwhile, you're replying to me when i asked you nothing.

H-hello.. Hypocrite police?...

No, you did exactly what you have been doing, saying a response with no purpose except to provoke a response from the other and continue your meaningless conflict. Doing so will likely continue it as the post above shows and will end up getting this locked as I stated. Being off of topic is nothing of what I have a problem with, nor is it a reason we have been given for the other HNM threads being closed. Threads have been closed because 2 people or sides with different opinions argued with one another for pages and pages, till it became a battlefield for the 2 and the thread was locked to stop it.

[mikeh]

jobs + mules

I also have support and healing mules.. Not sure what you're getting at here?

I have a berk-1 but i'm in no rush to get an ebody. I'll wait for it from Odin. Not gunna waste money on hogg pops.

Got my ukon 2 days ago, I only equipped it an hour ago. It'll get 99 soon enough!


Maybe if you got that, you could get up to my level.

Hahaha, I passed your level about 3 years ago.


I'd chuckle too if someone so pointedly said everything my LS did.

Baseless rumors are awesome!

Well.. Well I er... saw your shell buy a $10,000 bot and quit cause they couldn't beat CoP..

[wish12oz]

Not sure what you're getting at here?

I'm pointing out that you tried to criticize my job selection, when my job selection is better than yours. I'm not sure how you could of missed this, maybe you're not so smart after all.


I have a berk-1 but i'm in no rush to get an ebody. I'll wait for it from Odin. Not gunna waste money on hogg pops.

Keep doing those Odin II's, Im sure you'll get lucky in 4 months. Then 4 months later maybe you can afford a cursed breastplate -1 and some p tatters too. Either way, this is much longer than the "less than a week" you said you'd need to get your WAR up to where mine is.


Got my ukon 2 days ago, I only equipped it an hour ago. It'll get 99 soon enough!

Hahaha, I passed your level about 3 years ago.

I'm sure you did, thats why you just spent so much time trying to undermine me to try and invalidate the things I said, because you know that's the only way you can even attempt to.

[mikeh]

Your job selection is more or less exactly the same as mine, only the only good thing you have going for you is warrior and ninja, while i have a whole lot more. If you wanna get multiple characters involved I also have a empy cor + relic bard mule, but that's not fair on you.

Are you trying to imply it's hard to get a Pbody, or that i couldn't afford one lol? I could afford about 5 of them.

I undermined you because i was bored and you have no credible information other than "You must have bought a bot, i have a mule!". You're way too easy.

Also, you're a terrible whitemage. 5 minutes of your stream was enough to make me cringe.

[Tunasushi]

The thing is, I didn't offer that opinion...you put it in my mouth and then made an argument against it. When you start seeing things in my words that aren't there, that's delusional.

You think you're putting players who don't want HNM on equal footing by implementing events which offer the same items. The thing is, it's not equal footing at all because pro-HNM people can, and will, the new event as well, to increase the chance of getting the item. You can't mathematically deny that a person doing both events will have an overall advantage over a person doing one. I know I'm repeating myself here but it appears you didn't really get the message the first time.

Learn to read better and/or stop building strawmans.

That argument is so ridiculous. Are you for real?

No duh someone who does several things at once will get something faster. The people and shells who do both will get the items faster than a person or group ho just camps or does einherjar.

Someone who did both einherjar and kings probably got king gear faster than someone who just did kings. So your point is? My point is, einherjar put people on equal footing to those who did kings.

Anyone could take part in HNM camping same as einherjar. People just don't want too camp monsters with long spawn timers, against others.

As someone posted in another thread, the botting point is irrelevant to most of these players. They could make an HNM damn near unbottable and the same people who complain about every endgame event under the altana sun would still complain and moan and groan.

You know what, I'm gonna shut this argument down right now!

SE can make it so if you've killed the same monster in the free world, you can't take part in the bc with the same gear. THERE EQUAL FOOTING. But, again, you peoplewill probably make up some bs argument and or excuse to why it's unfair.

I don't buy the "bots and cheaters" bandwagon, and I don't buy the "It's so unfair to me!" bandwagon.

People don't want to wait for gear, they don't wanna compete for it, and they def do not want someone having or being able to do something they feel is outside their willingness or time to do. That's the issue, which brings me back to my point:

enjoy the content YOU can do, and enjoy. You are not entitled to every piece of gear. That goes for cheaters too.

[Randwolf]

I'm pointing out that you tried to criticize my job selection, when my job selection is better than yours. I'm not sure how you could of missed this, maybe you're not so smart after all.



Keep doing those Odin II's, Im sure you'll get lucky in 4 months. Then 4 months later maybe you can afford a cursed breastplate -1 and some p tatters too. Either way, this is much longer than the "less than a week" you said you'd need to get your WAR up to where mine is.



I'm sure you did, thats why you just spent so much time trying to undermine me to try and invalidate the things I said, because you know that's the only way you can even attempt to.


Your job selection is more or less exactly the same as mine, only the only good thing you have going for you is warrior and ninja, while i have a whole lot more. If you wanna get multiple characters involved I also have a empy cor + relic bard mule, but that's not fair on you.

Are you trying to imply it's hard to get a Pbody, or that i couldn't afford one lol? I could afford about 5 of them.

I undermined you because i was bored and you have no credible information other than "You must have bought a bot, i have a mule!". You're way too easy.

Also, you're a terrible whitemage. 5 minutes of your stream was enough to make me cringe.

Go Go Gadget Epeen!

[Nala]

Yay pissing contests that are off topic from the latest "we want to out bot" elite wanna be thread.

[Demon6324236]

Cant say I didn't try to stop it...

[Aldersyde]

That argument is so ridiculous. Are you for real?

No duh someone who does several things at once will get something faster. The people and shells who do both will get the items faster than a person or group ho just camps or does einherjar.

Someone who did both einherjar and kings probably got king gear faster than someone who just did kings. So your point is? My point is, einherjar put people on equal footing to those who did kings.

Anyone could take part in HNM camping same as einherjar. People just don't want too camp monsters with long spawn timers, against others.

As someone posted in another thread, the botting point is irrelevant to most of these players. They could make an HNM damn near unbottable and the same people who complain about every endgame event under the altana sun would still complain and moan and groan.

You know what, I'm gonna shut this argument down right now!

SE can make it so if you've killed the same monster in the free world, you can't take part in the bc with the same gear. THERE EQUAL FOOTING. But, again, you peoplewill probably make up some bs argument and or excuse to why it's unfair.

I don't buy the "bots and cheaters" bandwagon, and I don't buy the "It's so unfair to me!" bandwagon.

People don't want to wait for gear, they don't wanna compete for it, and they def do not want someone having or being able to do something they feel is outside their willingness or time to do. That's the issue, which brings me back to my point:

enjoy the content YOU can do, and enjoy. You are not entitled to every piece of gear. That goes for cheaters too.


The only BS arguments I'm hearing are those being trotted out by HNM supporters for why SE should bring them back. I found Habu obnoxious in previous threads but at least I can appreciate his honesty in being an unrepentant, exclusionary wad.

I could try to clarify my position again but you'd just respond with a ramble on whatever, arguing against things I didn't say and without regard to things I actually did say.

Just gonna have to agree to disagree. You'll probably take that as you 'winning' or something. Go ahead and take it, if you really need it that bad.

[Rosina]

hey tuna..

ur the biggest so and so i've seen on here..

what will it take for u to realise that ppl do want hnmk content just ur short sightedness og how to have hnm content is whats getting under ppls skin..

when will u guys learn content is more then the reward, it is something to do with friends... faux pvp is pointless and is what really dragged ffxi into a dark time. Due to hnm and old way endgame was i stop'ed doing it. I got tired of both the claim war drama, amd LS drop drama. I have enough drama in my life. I just wanna play a fun game. If u want competition do ballista or brenner. Its actually very fun.

as for botting mik, if ur innocent just declar ur innocence... not drag a person down. all ur doing is being a bit of a childish brat. (not an insult just pointing it how it looks) which does infact make u look guilty. Ur trying to discredit widh over jobs and gear is not making u look innocent of botting infact... makes u look guilty of it.

[Rosina]

ps i'm not anti hnm but i know for a fact ppl used bots. most LS on garuda near braged about using it... same for lakshmi. plus its not hard to point out a bot if u use common sence. and really if hnm are forced pop every 15 min... no need for them. just make them roaming and spawn every 15 min on the dot... that will get anyone gear

Also EVERYONE is infact entitled to everything in ffxi as we are all paying for it. we all pay a fee we shouble be able to get what we pay for.

[Tunasushi]

ps i'm not anti hnm but i know for a fact ppl used bots. most LS on garuda near braged about using it... same for lakshmi. plus its not hard to point out a bot if u use common sence. and really if hnm are forced pop every 15 min... no need for them. just make them roaming and spawn every 15 min on the dot... that will get anyone gear

Also EVERYONE is infact entitled to everything in ffxi as we are all paying for it. we all pay a fee we shouble be able to get what we pay for.

You're anti-gear swap and all over the general XI boards as a known "PLEASE IGNORE ME!" type player. Sorry. I have nothing to say to the likes of you.

As for the dude above you, seriously, if they made it so you cannot do the bcs and the long spawn HNMs for the same gear, campers and BCers would be at equal footing.

So what excuse would you guys make up now, for why hnms shouldnt exist, even tho the gear is available to you elsewhere at equal footing AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMPETE FOR IT.

I'm almost certain some, if not all of you who are dead set against world long spawn HNM, will still be against it, because you have a superiority complex, that is, if you can't participate, no one should. It doesn't mater to you that you can get the gear from an equally challenging bc, as it would be camping a single monsters that pops ONCE a week.

The issue isnot cheats, It's not even gear. It's a group of spoiled, whining, yelling brats who stomp their feet whenever se creates content they don't like. I really truly salute them for neo nyzul isle, prov watcher, neo odin/omega/ultia. The higher END of endgame is truly moving back in the direction it was at 75.

Using Habu as an example.. really? He is... truly.. an idiot. You admire him because hes honest about wanting to be better than you and camp mobs longer than you? Are you yourself too shallow minded to realize thats ridiculous?

I camp HNMs because I ENJOY CAMPING RARE, NMS. i ENJOY THE HUNT OF IT. Why is that so hard to believe? I am not interested in beating others just to beat them and i dont even care about the gear. I enjoy camping those rare long spawn window hnm, i enjoy searching for them and i also enjoy afking between their windows.

I'm gonna be nice and say I'm really not out to beat any of you or be better.. I have no neo nyzul gear or prov watcher gears/spells, no legion gear/spells. I have great gear otherwise though. Back at 75 I had a youtube video up of every last NM encounter I ever had in a game. I love camping world NMs. Its s much fun, the gear is a plus. I want se to try and restore the nostalgia factor of exploring a vast game world where ferocious beasts can spawn.

Camping the one week, super hyper NM was a joy to me, and I would like SE to add more. I genuinely enjoy them and since all world NMs are irrelevant now that we are 99, I really am hoping for more. Not too interested in camp drama, but at least it's not boring.

A lot in ffxi is reasonable to me, but it's just plain boring. adl,prov watcher, vw,neo limbus/einher is ALL cool with me. I have no complaints. Thats the top topteir gear, I don't complain about how long it takes to get that stuff. FFXI doesn't lack good endgame, it decent endgame and endgame gears.

FFXI doesn't lack rewarding events, FFXI lacks fun events. I'm just bored with it and rly hope they add a slew of world NMs to hunt.

[Trisscar]

So you complain about the lack of fun events and you want these ridiculous HNM with absurdly long respawns and four hour long windows? I'm sorry but when's the last time you had a mental evaluation? This is the very opposite of fun as you can possibly get.

And if it really was all about the 'thrill of the hunt', as you claim, than why aren't you out there camping them right now? They have not gone anywhere and the majority of them still retain the very aspects that make them ridiculous in the first place. And a couple of them will even still eat you alive if you take a single misstep.

But seriously, stop advocating for faux PvP and go for the real deal, already. It would waste less resources than catering to just you and your ilk, which make up a minority of a minority of players.

[Rosina]

ok look tuna ur an idiot there i said it.... ur so full of urself u make up petty BS and call it fact. you spout petty stuff w/o out reading both sides.
u want content for YOURSELF that worst then ppl saying they dislike something.
Also i'm not anti gear swap... I just do not personally find gear swap fun, or see it makes u a good player or not. if i was anti gear swap id ask to remove it from the game. Which i never ones suggested. Cuz i know ppl enjoy doing it. Also case in point... MY VIEWS OF GEAR SWAP HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HNM. STOP BRINGING IN FIGHTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE... YOU HAVE NO VALID CAUSE HERE. ALL YOU WANT IS CONTENT FOR YOURSELF. THATS IT. aND SINCE YOU LACK ANY WELL THOUGHT OUT REASON OTHER THAN ME ME ME I WANT I WANT I WANT.

i'm actuctally for hnm.... i like to fight large bosses in the open feild, i like seeing them roam around. Id like them to be constently up so anyone with balls can try to fight them... that how hnm SHOULD be.

[Zerich]

ok look tuna ur an idiot there i said it.... ur so full of urself u make up petty BS and call it fact. you spout petty stuff w/o out reading both sides.
u want content for YOURSELF that worst then ppl saying they dislike something.
Also i'm not anti gear swap... I just do not personally find gear swap fun, or see it makes u a good player or not. if i was anti gear swap id ask to remove it from the game. Which i never ones suggested. Cuz i know ppl enjoy doing it. Also case in point... MY VIEWS OF GEAR SWAP HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HNM. STOP BRINGING IN FIGHTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUE... YOU HAVE NO VALID CAUSE HERE. ALL YOU WANT IS CONTENT FOR YOURSELF. THATS IT. aND SINCE YOU LACK ANY WELL THOUGHT OUT REASON OTHER THAN ME ME ME I WANT I WANT I WANT.

i'm actuctally for hnm.... i like to fight large bosses in the open feild, i like seeing them roam around. Id like them to be constently up so anyone with balls can try to fight them... that how hnm SHOULD be.

you know what, we should team up and go hunt a brutal nm.

...like leaping lizzie.

edit: seems like you'd need help on it

[Rosina]

(Text limit) I will like to state if a lack of choosing to gear swap prevent me as a LONG time player to have my opinion or suggestions hear. that pretty pathetic thing to say. To ingore someone who chooses to play how they most enjoy gets me ignored that pretty pathetic... I tried gear swapping i did not enjoy it... its for me too much stress to deal with. I can't afford such a thing. If any of you actually seen me play, i'm not a bad player. I world well in team setting and i got pretty fast reflexes. An UNINTENDED game machanic shouldn't be what makes or breaks a player... its how well the players knows their job and how to best handle each skill. Gearing up and putting gear buffing to each skill and blindly spam it w/o thought is not imo a good player. I'm all for if u have gear use it... idc... but when u blindly spam skills it does appear u have no idea how to play.... But afain that is just my 2 cents and in no way will i FORCE ppl to think this. If anything all I ever asked for is to play how I see

[Trisscar]

you know what, we should team up and go hunt a brutal nm.

...like leaping lizzie.

Ouch, that's cold.

You know recently I've been camping Khimeria for Tourbillion (the bastard's wings keep breaking)? I can't begin to imagine how anyone ever considered doing it 'fun'.

[Rosina]

(text limit)
with out judgement, since you shouldn't judge what you don't see. You shouldn't judge based on assumption. I may not farm every peice of gear under the sun. But i do put effort into my character based on how I play.. I also take my time and help others out. Whether they need a drop from an nm in abyssea, or if its hunting LL or doing a bcnm fight. Tbh i rather be a friendly bad player... then an ahole-ish good one.

aka like everyone here outside a select few...

[Rosina]

you know what, we should team up and go hunt a brutal nm.

...like leaping lizzie.

edit: seems like you'd need help on it

nah lol i solo LL for kicks. but what I said is true... he has no actual thought behind his suggestion. You can't make a community game addition for urself... just because u soley found it fun. what ui ask for will effect every player.. i'm a zelda fan.. i love fighting massively huge bosses. thats why i want hnm in the new expack just would perfer themj constently up rayher then barely there.... if i saw walk into " behemoths dominion" i do not want to see a near empty zone... i expect to see a behemoth. same for faf/nei i expeck them to be there. nopt wait around for a "slight appearance" if you just want to hunt large mobs, suggestion a hunt type content... rather then force something the community don't want for obviouse reasons.

pretty much ur reason is hnm MUST be on long spawn timers so u get a thrill of the hunt. no offence that stupid...

[Zerich]

Ouch, that's cold.

You know recently I've been camping Khimeria for Tourbillion (the bastard's wings keep breaking)? I can't begin to imagine how anyone ever considered doing it 'fun'.

hnms aren't fun for me or a good portion of the players. however, op was suggesting the drops to also come from instanced nms. but when certain people attack an op without reading the title, then you can't help but slam your head on your desk. (which is what i assume they do, in substitute of macros)

[Rosina]

hnms aren't fun for me or a good portion of the players. however, op was suggesting the drops to also come from instanced nms. but when certain people attack an op without reading the title, then you can't help but slam your head on your desk. (which is what i assume they do, in substitute of macros)

i personally read the title and OP and its still idiotic. not everyone is gear centric.. or is that concept to hard to understand. znot everyone wants content instanced. For some its the thrill of the fight. For others its the thrill of seeing them out in the world.

when i saw bloodtear balduf for the first time i was on awe. Then when it killed me I was like "ok ima level and beat that fker". Then When i saw journ out in the range on my way to bearclaw... i was in awe... that thing was so massive. i only saw it that one time. I also wanna go find vtra in KRT. Even if it just for a screen shot, its been a goal to see that.

[Rosina]

here is the idiotic thing tho... what does my stance on how i play MY character strike a cord with you guys... i never once stated or forced any of u to play the game my way. I just give my personal opinion of how i honestly feel on things. But i never EVER made suggestion to force SE or the ffxi community to change their opinion. If anything I see it as i'm just defending my right as a player/gamer to have fun the way i have fun.

no one here has ever played with me nor is forced to. So i see no need to contently be luttle me because i play differently them you guys. I'm not bothering anyone with my play style. I just duo with my friend. I don't do much of anything because of u guys.... Even tho I want to, because i rather not be insulted on a video game i enjoy... I get enough in my real life and on here. And tbh to be insulted even tho i take time to help others and am a pleasent person in actually is pretty low. I do nothing wrong, nor have doine anything to you guys but to say my opinion.

[Zerich]

here is the idiotic thing tho... what does my stance on how i play MY character strike a cord with you guys... i never once stated or forced any of u to play the game my way. I just give my personal opinion of how i honestly feel on things. But i never EVER made suggestion to force SE or the ffxi community to change their opinion. If anything I see it as i'm just defending my right as a player/gamer to have fun the way i have fun.

no one here has ever played with me nor is forced to. So i see no need to contently be luttle me because i play differently them you guys. I'm not bothering anyone with my play style. I just duo with my friend. I don't do much of anything because of u guys.... Even tho I want to, because i rather not be insulted on a video game i enjoy... I get enough in my real life and on here. And tbh to be insulted even tho i take time to help others and am a pleasent person in actually is pretty low. I do nothing wrong, nor have doine anything to you guys but to say my opinion.

you are the worst. my altana have mercy on your posts.

[Rosina]

you are the worst. my altana have mercy on your posts.

umm how so... i don't go around stalking ppl and being a cyber bully...

[Tunasushi]

lolrosina. That's all I gotta say about that, dude is lol. I don;t respond to people who think gear swaps are below them.

@Trisscarm what I find fun is my business. Everything in ffxi is a waste of time, you make a moot point pointing finger and saying "omg u must be crazy to enjoy camping nms!". YOU sound like you're struggling with the concept more than me. So i'll make this easy for you, Don't worry about what i enjoy. Do what you enjoy and I'll do what I enjoy, as long as we aren't stepping on eachothers toes. COOL STORY NP BRO.

Taruina, I've warmed up to you.

[Rosina]

lolrosina. That's all I gotta say about that, dude is lol. I don;t respond to people who think gear swaps are below them.

@Trisscarm what I find fun is my business. Everything in ffxi is a waste of time, you make a moot point pointing finger and saying "omg u must be crazy to enjoy camping nms!". YOU sound like you're struggling with the concept more than me. So i'll make this easy for you, Don't worry about what i enjoy. Do what you enjoy and I'll do what I enjoy, as long as we aren't stepping on eachothers toes. COOL STORY NP BRO.

Taruina, I've warmed up to you.

i'm a female for starters... and i never stated gear swaps was below me. Just because we do not agree on a btw... non topic issues. don't mean I can't share my 2 cents on a topic. You really need to grow up tho... its not helping ur cause any by insulting a player who is infact for hnm... just not on long timers... Just because I don't see gear swaping fun... shouldn't make me a bad player by default.

[Zerich]

umm how so... i don't go around stalking ppl and being a cyber bully...

really, you're going with that rosa?

really?


we've shown interest in the same post. your emotionally fueled rants and inability to "do-it-rite" in lulzfest'12 has made it even worse.

probably going to get b& because of rosa, but it was worth it
everu
last

[Zerich]

(sry ps3 txt limit)
post
/em is disappoint.

[Rosina]

tuina what you can't seem to grasp is you shouldn't make suggestions just for fun for urself.. you have to considser everyone... just saying i want content like x... but play c gear in y instance so i can have want i, isn't the ideal way to form a suggestion. I proposed questions you ursekf havce yet reply... which if u did would greatly benifit in ur cause of wanting this.

u can't suggest something with a "i want it because I want it" you need to sell ur idea for SE to want to put it in. They use EVERYONES money to put in content. Why should SE make content for a small group of ppl with EVERYONES MONEY.

[Zerich]

tuina what you can't seem to grasp is you shouldn't make suggestions just for fun for urself.. you have to considser everyone... just saying i want content like x... but play c gear in y instance so i can have want i, isn't the ideal way to form a suggestion. I proposed questions you ursekf havce yet reply... which if u did would greatly benifit in ur cause of wanting this.

u can't suggest something with a "i want it because I want it" you need to sell ur idea for SE to want to put it in. They use EVERYONES money to put in content. Why should SE make content for a small group of ppl with EVERYONES MONEY.

Brosa-sensei, don't you see that things can come from both HNM and instanced fights, equally.
If you are not going to stride towards them, while they are still relevant content, then why should your say have any influence on the people who actually give a damn about maximizing their performance in battle.

To think that you are the only person in this game who has a sense of timing and tools for your jobs, is very childish. There are many people who are better, worse, and even at your same level in terms of game mechanics and knowledge.

But you just came into the forums and rode a wave of people who were blatantly cutting down OP-san, because he mentioned the term HNMs. Read through the OP, and you'll realize that you've been swinging your Quietus and missing us the whole time, because you are on Dancer, and they can't wield that weapon.

[Aldersyde]

hnms aren't fun for me or a good portion of the players. however, op was suggesting the drops to also come from instanced nms. but when certain people attack an op without reading the title, then you can't help but slam your head on your desk. (which is what i assume they do, in substitute of macros)

That's probably the best reason not to implement a dual-pronged approach to the attainment of the same items. Why should SE put effort into designing new content for the benefit of such a miniscule amount of the player base, when they can just design one event that a far greater range of people could participate in and enjoy? This is especially pertinent as resources seem limited for FFXI atm.

[Zerich]

That's probably the best reason not to implement a dual-pronged approach to the attainment of the same items. Why should SE put effort into designing new content for the benefit of such a miniscule amount of the player base, when they can just design one event that a far greater range of people could participate in and enjoy? This is especially pertinent as resources seem limited for FFXI atm.

what's to say that the game needs to alienate another branch of the players by not offering more than one route to get your shinnies?

[Aldersyde]

what's to say that the game needs to alienate another branch of the players by not offering more than one route to get your shinnies?

Lol, if SE is already prepared to alienate the supposedly handful of its NA PS2 playerbase by not releasing the new expansion, I think it can afford to alienate the handful of anti-social twats who absolutely must have HNM world spawns (ps I can`t see any of them quitting for any reason whatsoever).

[Demon6324236]

Sorry this reply is late, I was sleeping when the post was posted, but felt the need to reply still.


se creates content they don't like.

Correction, we ask SE to avoid creating content we cant do.


I really truly salute them for neo nyzul isle, prov watcher, neo odin/omega/ultia.

This is content I can do.


A lot in ffxi is reasonable to me, but it's just plain boring.

If the game is boring you please be smart, either take a break from it or stop playing it.

[Demon6324236]

Everything in ffxi is a waste of time.

This is actually not true. From 1 standpoint it is a waste of time as it gets nothing done in your real life that is notable to others. This is actually incorrect for many people. Games are a way to relax and have fun. MMOs are a way to make friends all around the world, enjoy being in a community for the games you play, and explore a much more vast world the likes of a single player game will never know.

I play FFXI, I play it more than I should, and I will tell you now if I were to get a job tomorrow and have little time to play it, it would be no waste of time. It would allow me to come home, relax, have fun after my long boring day, and talk with friends I have made on this game over the years.

That argument you give has always annoyed me because its not a waste of time, there is a reason we all play games, and that makes it not a waste of time at all.

[0nionKn1ght]

The fundamental mechanic of standing around for 3-12 hours daily as an event was a terrible one to begin with. The only thing that makes us think otherwise was nostalgia. No one enjoyed HNM camping, it was aggressive, often abusive, and mind meltingly dull. The skill became the fastest claim, not the fight, and quickly escalated into an e-peen festival extravaganza.

I am glad to see these HNM's are now poppable, based on the KSNM drops (from what I have been led to understand) and that the horrible world of HNMLS has finally gone forever.

Events that take a few hours each night, without the huge random elements of other players outclaiming you are much more welcomed, and 100 steps into the modern era of gaming. So no, I won't support your thread idea.

Also on reading some of the posts in this thread, when did WoW players start converging into this community? Never read such vicious and sarcastic passive aggressiveness.

[Trisscar]

@Trisscarm what I find fun is my business. Everything in ffxi is a waste of time, you make a moot point pointing finger and saying "omg u must be crazy to enjoy camping nms!". YOU sound like you're struggling with the concept more than me. So i'll make this easy for you, Don't worry about what i enjoy. Do what you enjoy and I'll do what I enjoy, as long as we aren't stepping on eachothers toes.


True strike, 'bro'. But you failed to address the question poised towards you. If you thought it was so fun why aren't you camping HNM right now?

Because it isn't relevant to you? But supposedly you 'enjoy the hunt', that you find it irrelevant to you exposes you for a liar.

Hell, I don't even like camping HNM and yet I've been camping one for single Blue Mage spell that is in no way vital to me for the mere fact it's the only spell I'm missing. So how about it, oh great hunter. Why aren't you camping them right now?

[Rosina]

ok here is what OP Zerich and who ever has been in agreement in them. HNM CAN BE IN THE GAME. Just not under the 24hr+ cool down and 3 hour windows. Not everyone whats content to be in an instance. It makes the open world dead (see WoW). What you guys seem to skip over is the fact these can be up all the time. And have a very small spawn time to have them be up consently. You still get ur thrills, and everyone can do the content. What ppl are saying is, instead of having 2 events. Make one anyone can do.

As for my style of play, this shouldn't matter. I do content or try to do it. I just do not worry about getting a reward, i'm here to have fun. As i stated i do not go out and farm gear as most said nm are still a pain, and said bcnm are still capped with very selective job strats. And as many other threads stated... getting help in this game is hard. ppl have a "leech to cap and solo mantality"

Also i think you guys painted the wrong picture of me, based on assumptions.

[Rosina]

I do not think i'm the greatest thing since white bread. (or w/e the saying goes) I have done gear swaping in the past. I've had my chraka gear, I also had a mnd set and int set for my sch. I didn't have fun doing it. All i personally got was stress on what i have to find to maximise my stuff having to hunt all these asinise time/lotto spawn stuff or try and find ppl to help me with bcnm. Both sucked... i want to do content not wait around. I wanna do content with a group, not solo and be bored. If there is a helpful peice of gear and I want it I will go get it. Or at least try to. But reality is my fun isn't spending weeks and weeks hunting for that 1 peice of gear that by your guys standers makes or breaks my character. My fun is doing content with my friends.

@ tuna... you should check yourself... you ask why ppl can't understand ur enjoyment of camping. And ask what u are mocked and ask why can't ppl enjoy their stuff as u enjoy yours... why not you lead by example and not step on my toes..

[Spiritreaver]

True strike, 'bro'. But you failed to address the question poised towards you. If you thought it was so fun why aren't you camping HNM right now?

Because it isn't relevant to you? But supposedly you 'enjoy the hunt', that you find it irrelevant to you exposes you for a liar.

Hell, I don't even like camping HNM and yet I've been camping one for single Blue Mage spell that is in no way vital to me for the mere fact it's the only spell I'm missing. So how about it, oh great hunter. Why aren't you camping them right now?

Off topic-

Don't know your Assault rank situation, but if you are First LT. you can use 3 of that ranks missions to get hydra, behemoth, and cerb family spells.

I personally went this route to get Tourb(sp.) and it was SO much easier than spending all that time camping a HNM. I had 2 buds that helped me into the assault, but @99 BLU you can solo all three. And if you dont have buds with that rank, do a shout-you'd be surprised how many ppl still need those wins.

[Nala]

Oy rosina quit double posting.

[Rosina]

Oy rosina quit double posting.

its because i hit the character limit. I try to post with (hit text limit) or (text limit) to show i'm not double posting for sake of double posting. It is due to hitting a character limit that I can't control.

You guys really need to stop derailing threads with offtopic insults/remarks about me and focus on the thread itself. I have not done a thing to provoke ppl into insulting me. You guys just dislike how I play. And instead of being mature and realising... "ok this person plays differently, i may not agree but hey.. i don't have to play with them" you guys will be able to keep threads active longer. But all i see is people who say what they want... no sell worthy post then when challanged you act like a child and use school yard pre school insults to discredit the person. I try to not use these tactics as i already know they are not needed.

please do your causes a favor and grow up.... it will help get what you want better.

[Trisscar]

Off topic-

Don't know your Assault rank situation, but if you are First LT. you can use 3 of that ranks missions to get hydra, behemoth, and cerb family spells.

I personally went this route to get Tourb(sp.) and it was SO much easier than spending all that time camping a HNM. I had 2 buds that helped me into the assault, but @99 BLU you can solo all three. And if you dont have buds with that rank, do a shout-you'd be surprised how many ppl still need those wins.

This is true, but I don't have that rank yet. Apart from camping the HNM, I'm also building a pop for the ZNM and building my rank. I'm getting this spell one way or another.

The original poster just wants to be lazy and get rewarded for their laziness.

[FrankReynolds]

It's simple math. If one group can Camp the NM and do einherjar or whatever, then they have twice as many chances as the group that can only do einherjar. The first group is basically being rewarded for playing the game at a different time of day from the second group. That's just plain stupid. Especially considering the fact that every update resets the spawn times so that it's almost always the same group of people being rewarded.

And it's been said a hundred times in the past, but here it goes again since the HNM crowd is clearly trying to ignore it:

There are already world spawn NMs in the game. You don't kill them because you don't enjoy camping / killing them. All you care about is the "Exclusive gear" that makes you feel special.

[Rosina]

frank
not everyone who wants hnm, wants long timers or wants to do it for gear.. I hope you see that.. I want it for content to do.

[wish12oz]

I see some baseless assumptions here that doing einherjar = doing kings. Well guess what, thats wrong. Kings average pop time was 5.5 days, and it took 2 weeks per Odin, you got 2-3 of each king for every 1 Odin run. Having a bot was better.



And it's been said a hundred times in the past, but here it goes again since the HNM crowd is clearly trying to ignore it:

There are already world spawn NMs in the game. You don't kill them because you don't enjoy camping / killing them. All you care about is the "Exclusive gear" that makes you feel special.

And this is the correct answer as why HNMLS's want this content back. Their ability to get claim 99% of the time and then hold that gear over others. It's BS, and I laugh whenever they say things like "I just like to camp." DI, Tiamat, SW, Jorm, Vrtra, etc still exist, go camp them for your 'fun' and shut up already.

[Babekeke]

1) Take your group and stand by the ??? of a pop NM.

2) alliance leader types /random

3) if you got 150 or less, he/she pops the NM

4) if you got 151 or more, you wait 30 mins and repeat steps 2-4

5) if after 3 hours (the 7th time you would /random) you haven't got under 150, you pop it anyway.

6) wait 21 hours from the ToD and repeat from 1)

[FrankReynolds]

1) Take your group and stand by the ??? of a pop NM.

2) alliance leader types /random

3) if you got 150 or less, he/she pops the NM

4) if you got 151 or more, you wait 30 mins and repeat steps 2-4

5) if after 3 hours (the 7th time you would /random) you haven't got under 150, you pop it anyway.

6) wait 21 hours from the ToD and repeat from 1)

There you go campers. Problem solved. Have fun!

[Dazusu]

1) Take your group and stand by the ??? of a pop NM.

2) alliance leader types /random

3) if you got 150 or less, he/she pops the NM

4) if you got 151 or more, you wait 30 mins and repeat steps 2-4

5) if after 3 hours (the 7th time you would /random) you haven't got under 150, you pop it anyway.

6) wait 21 hours from the ToD and repeat from 1)


Liked because it made me chuckle

[Windwhisper]

1) Take your group and stand by the ??? of a pop NM.

2) alliance leader types /random

3) if you got 150 or less, he/she pops the NM

4) if you got 151 or more, you wait 30 mins and repeat steps 2-4

5) if after 3 hours (the 7th time you would /random) you haven't got under 150, you pop it anyway.

6) wait 21 hours from the ToD and repeat from 1)

OMG Best reply to this thread so far. Good humor and hits the nail on the head :)

[Rosina]

1) Take your group and stand by the ??? of a pop NM.

2) alliance leader types /random

3) if you got 150 or less, he/she pops the NM

4) if you got 151 or more, you wait 30 mins and repeat steps 2-4

5) if after 3 hours (the 7th time you would /random) you haven't got under 150, you pop it anyway.

6) wait 21 hours from the ToD and repeat from 1)

i can see see this happening too... XD

[Randwolf]

1) Take your group and stand by the ??? of a pop NM.

2) alliance leader types /random

3) if you got 150 or less, he/she pops the NM

4) if you got 151 or more, you wait 30 mins and repeat steps 2-4

5) if after 3 hours (the 7th time you would /random) you haven't got under 150, you pop it anyway.

6) wait 21 hours from the ToD and repeat from 1)
"Like" times a million. I did HNM's and that really brings back the feeling. Although, I swear S/E weighted the windows. So first window would be 1-10, then 1-20, then 1-30, etc. Almost always guaranteed you weren't going to be doing anything but camping the next 3 hours.

[SNK]

Rose colored glasses. World Spawns can seriously burn. It was fun for a short time but then it got old... quickly.

[Rosina]

Rose colored glasses. World Spawns can seriously burn. It was fun for a short time but then it got old... quickly.

not really rose glasses, it makes the world feel alive. It puts in adventure and danger. I just wish they was on short short timers so all nm/ hnm was up nearly all the time. See all the newbies/ returing players walk thru la theine or kon highland and see those massive rams would be priceless.
This game lost its epic feel to the world. the worlds do feel empty so seeing nm/hnm up would liven it up. Like i said b4, a big WoW factor i had was bloodtear killing my 5 times as a newbie cuz it was up and aggro me.
It made me want to get stronger to hunt and kill it. Thats what this game needs. We need to get out of our lil book burn caves and explore the world with all these returning players. Show them how ffxi aged well to keep them playing.

[Camiie]

not really rose glasses, it makes the world feel alive. It puts in adventure and danger.

They weren't really adventurous or dangerous activities. If they'd been truly random encounters at random times in random locations then they may have fit. The world didn't really feel alive, just small, out-of-the-way sections of it.


This game lost its epic feel to the world. the worlds do feel empty so seeing nm/hnm up would liven it up. Like i said b4, a big WoW factor i had was bloodtear killing my 5 times as a newbie cuz it was up and aggro me.

There's a thin line between epic and disruptive.


It made me want to get stronger to hunt and kill it. Thats what this game needs. We need to get out of our lil book burn caves and explore the world with all these returning players. Show them how ffxi aged well to keep them playing.

But it hasn't aged well, and having NMs around constantly to harass new players is more of a step-back than anything.

[cantsee]

One thing i do miss is the fun bs that happens between windows. And the actual fights were fun

[Habu]

itt; people whose bot wasn't good enough to claim

[Demon6324236]

Not really a bot kinda guy, especially if it would need to be bought, spend enough money on MMOs already.

[Habu]

come on you're supposed to yell at me and call me a filthy cheater ;/

[Rosina]

They weren't really adventurous or dangerous activities. If they'd been truly random encounters at random times in random locations then they may have fit. The world didn't really feel alive, just small, out-of-the-way sections of it.



There's a thin line between epic and disruptive.



But it hasn't aged well, and having NMs around constantly to harass new players is more of a step-back than anything.

i don't suggest u play skyrim then it be a step back for you...

my suggestion was based off of ffxiv and skyrim. and hate to say it.. you do learn aggro types pretty quick around hnm.... thats how i learned had to avoid bloodtear. and this was playing 2 hrs a day...

[Spiritreaver]

i don't suggest u play skyrim then it be a step back for you...

my suggestion was based off of ffxiv and skyrim. and hate to say it.. you do learn aggro types pretty quick around hnm.... thats how i learned had to avoid bloodtear. and this was playing 2 hrs a day...

Not an attack, but Skyrim is a single player game, whereas FFXI is an MMO. You can't use elements from either for a side-by-side comparison of the two games w/o making that distinction up front. And that's said before you even get to the true randomness of adventures in Skyrim(i'm fairly certain that most the "NMs" of Skyrim are only generated once a quest requires them) as opposed to timed NM spawns in FFXI.

I love both games, but really, comparing FFXI and Skyrim can be likened to critiquing a can of PBR against a bottle fine wine. Both are great for their intended purposes, but those purposes are not necessarily the same.

[Rosina]

@ spirit reaver... i wasn't talking dragons. : ) more like gaints and mammoths. those can 1 shot u @ lvl hell 1 mammoth sent me running @ lvl 7 when i tried to get a tusk for a quest in whiterun. But I also did mention ffxiv... which nm pop every 15 min on the dot. so they pretty much always up.

pretty much skyrim or any TES game can mimic an mmo due to the sheer size of it. And most mmo now a days are solo... ffxi included. I was establishing that when u explore as a newbie you want a sence of adventure, exploration, and danger. As i stated i was an ffxi newbie when i say bloodtear this my first mmo. And i knew next to no one. I don't see bloodtear killing me as a step back I saw it as a goal. If ppl gonna quit ffxi from getting aggro by a hnm... then this wasn't the game for them from the get go. You need a sence of awe when exploring. Seeing massive deadly monsters does do that.

also i was comparing rpg to rpg. and TES kinda does play like an mmo minus the seeing of ppl. but w/e.

[Rekin]

@ spirit reaver... i wasn't talking dragons. : ) more like gaints and mammoths. those can 1 shot u @ lvl hell 1 mammoth sent me running @ lvl 7 when i tried to get a tusk for a quest in whiterun. But I also did mention ffxiv... which nm pop every 15 min on the dot. so they pretty much always up.

pretty much skyrim or any TES game can mimic an mmo due to the sheer size of it. And most mmo now a days are solo... ffxi included. I was establishing that when u explore as a newbie you want a sence of adventure, exploration, and danger. As i stated i was an ffxi newbie when i say bloodtear this my first mmo. And i knew next to no one. I don't see bloodtear killing me as a step back I saw it as a goal. If ppl gonna quit ffxi from getting aggro by a hnm... then this wasn't the game for them from the get go. You need a sence of awe when exploring. Seeing massive deadly monsters does do that.

also i was comparing rpg to rpg. and TES kinda does play like an mmo minus the seeing of ppl. but w/e.

The dynamics of meta between an MMO and a single player game are WAAAAAAY different even if the share the same genre. also just a extra note: Skyrim wasn't as exactly random as you think it is. The only notable random factor in the game is also it's claim to fame, dragons. Other things such as unique encounters are one time and usually follow a type of pattern. That sort of meta doesn't bold well for an MMO.

[Rosina]

The dynamics of meta between an MMO and a single player game are WAAAAAAY different even if the share the same genre. also just a extra note: Skyrim wasn't as exactly random as you think it is. The only notable random factor in the game is also it's claim to fame, dragons. Other things such as unique encounters are one time and usually follow a type of pattern. That sort of meta doesn't bold well for an MMO.

oi lol .... ok i never said anything about the randomness of hnm. That was camie. I'm saying take out the random factor, there you have all the hnm up roaming around areas of the zone. Much like a single player rpg as in skyrim. Where you walk around and can be attacked my spriggins in the forests or gaints and mammoths in the tundra. Or those ice wraiths, wisp spirits. And you either 1) know how to fight/ are the lvl to fight) or find a good escape route. Thats why i suggested 15 min spawn timers so all the nm/hnm in ffxi will most likely be up for anyone to try and kill.

[Rosina]

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Preatty much what I'm getting at is The TES games do in a basic way.. act like an mmorpg. You have this huge world you can freely explore, you kill creatures out in the wild, do quests and craft gear, weapons and potions.

there needs to be an adventure to be had in ffxi... more then solo to 10, then leech/burn in dark caves, then leech burn in a high lvl zone. People barely see what ffxi has to offer outside of this. Thats what i miss, see all these different areas. Fighting all these different mobs with different types of styles. Learning how each style works and can be defeated. Seeing huge deadly foes that can rip me apart if i'm not too careful. Thats why i kept playing ffxi for 7 years. I thinklow pop hnm will help liven up the areas.

Just stop thinking about the randomness we see now. And think of how the areas would be if we constently see nm/hnm. heck the coolest thing in the world for me was seeing a group of 75 killing steel fleece.

[cidbahamut]

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Preatty much what I'm getting at is The TES games do in a basic way.. act like an mmorpg.

I don't agree with this assessment at all. I think the two genres are radically different and that you are mistaking superficial similarities for genuinely synonymous game design.

[Ashido]

HNM Monopolization DO NOT WANT , HNM Camping for 8 hrs on end for a chance at a item man you must be a troll.

[Spiritreaver]

@ spirit reaver... i wasn't talking dragons. : ) more like gaints and mammoths. those can 1 shot u @ lvl hell 1 mammoth sent me running @ lvl 7 when i tried to get a tusk for a quest in whiterun. But I also did mention ffxiv... which nm pop every 15 min on the dot. so they pretty much always up.

pretty much skyrim or any TES game can mimic an mmo due to the sheer size of it. And most mmo now a days are solo... ffxi included. I was establishing that when u explore as a newbie you want a sence of adventure, exploration, and danger. As i stated i was an ffxi newbie when i say bloodtear this my first mmo. And i knew next to no one. I don't see bloodtear killing me as a step back I saw it as a goal. If ppl gonna quit ffxi from getting aggro by a hnm... then this wasn't the game for them from the get go. You need a sence of awe when exploring. Seeing massive deadly monsters does do that.

also i was comparing rpg to rpg. and TES kinda does play like an mmo minus the seeing of ppl. but w/e.

Gonna have to flat-out disagree now.

TES games(hell, you can throw in the Fall-Out games too) are pretty close to an archetypal example of what a single-player RPG should be at the genre's current level of technology imo. If anything, FFXI is more like a single-player RPG that received a quick MMO make-over and was super lucky it had the Final Fantasy brand name to fall back on, than the other way 'round.

I mean really think about it a sec and tell me outside of the AH system, what part of FFXI would not be better suited to a single player venue? Relic/Mythic/Empy? Mission lines? Crafting? I can easily see those working tons better in a single-player RPG than FFXI(or at least how they were implemented in FFXI).

But i digress and gonna bring my point all the way back if i can.

HNM, for good or ill, happened. If that type of content is ever again made relevant by SE, so be it. Some ppl loved the faux-PVP aspect it brought to the table-good for them, nothing wrong with that. I personally hated every min i spent in that cesspool of a scene(and a point ppl seem to forget, for a good while there back in the day, HNM camping WAS EG. If you didn't take part in it, no EG for you), and that's fine too.

I'm just, sorry, not gonna buy that newbs getting mowed down en masse by a rampaging NM is a good thing for the game. Have to find a better example of HNMs being good for the game to convince me of that.

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@ the thread and the ongoing argument in general

There is a place for HNMs and the hunting of them in FFXI. But SE devs have to step up and structure any future implementation of such content from the start. We only have to look back to see how the scene worked when players were left to their own devices.

Either that or address the root issue at play, PVP or FFXI's lack thereof.

Man-up and develop a real PVP option for those that want that type of gameplay. Or finally state definitively that true PVP has no place in FFXI, lose that small group that wants that action(possibly) and build from there.

[Spiritreaver]

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Preatty much what I'm getting at is The TES games do in a basic way.. act like an mmorpg. You have this huge world you can freely explore, you kill creatures out in the wild, do quests and craft gear, weapons and potions.

there needs to be an adventure to be had in ffxi... more then solo to 10, then leech/burn in dark caves, then leech burn in a high lvl zone. People barely see what ffxi has to offer outside of this. Thats what i miss, see all these different areas. Fighting all these different mobs with different types of styles. Learning how each style works and can be defeated. Seeing huge deadly foes that can rip me apart if i'm not too careful. Thats why i kept playing ffxi for 7 years. I thinklow pop hnm will help liven up the areas.

Just stop thinking about the randomness we see now. And think of how the areas would be if we constently see nm/hnm. heck the coolest thing in the world for me was seeing a group of 75 killing steel fleece.

Efficiency

Its more 'efficient' to develop a character the way you layed out. Is that the only way? No. Do i even personally prefer that way? Not at all, but good luck finding enough like-minded individuals do try any of the other ways. There are adventures still to be had in FFXI currently, its just more efficient to stay with the 'mob' than do otherwise.

Efficiency, that's what's now and always has had a strangle-hold on 'Adventure' in FFXI.



I think low pop hnm will help liven up the areas.


They might, who knows? But unless they have some really nice drops, they will be quickly forgotten after the initial 'new car smell' wears off. And if the do have great drops, even with low pop times, what's that going to do about all the old baggage associated with HNM camping from popping up again? Nothing and then we've gone full circle back to the old bad days.

Like i essentially said before, unless the devs implement any new timed HNMs properly; what's the point?

And what IMO constitutes new 'properly' implemented HNMs? Not for me to even comment on. All i know is FFXI is atm littered with half-assed, broken, or flat unused content and i would rather SE not resurrect flawed yrs old content(yet again...) in lieu of taking the time to craft and give us something that works right out of the box.

I've got high hopes for SoA. Let's pray after 10+ yrs, SE has learned to take their time on it. Its prolly gonna be their last shot at excellence as far as XI is concerned.

[FrankReynolds]

Will continue to re-post for relevance:

There are already big mean baddie NMS roaming around in game, that can kill bystanders. No one fights them because they only care about gear. I think what Rosina is talking about is more an issue of lack of story line than lack of HNMs.

[Calamity]

I say, if they are to reintroduce kings, put them on a completely random timer. Forget make their spawn truly random. Say once or twice at any given time or day per conquest tally. This way nobody can has the estimated pop window, it's up to pure chance. They just have to be lucky and be around when it pops AND pray that enough of their ls is around to kill it.

[Spiritreaver]

Will continue to re-post for relevance:

There are already big mean baddie NMS roaming around in game, that can kill bystanders. No one fights them because they only care about gear. I think what Rosina is talking about is more an issue of lack of story line than lack of HNMs.

I agree there are plenty of HNM that spend loads of time waiting around to be killed, no disagreement there at all. But i don't see Rosina asking for a storyline for HNMs in his/her latest batch of posts on the subject.



I think low pop hnm will help liven up the areas.


Don't see how there could be much sub-context there. Low time spawn HNMs somehow revitalizing much of the empty areas off of the beaten path in FFXI. That's what i took from his/her posts anyway.

[FrankReynolds]

I agree there are plenty of HNM that spend loads of time waiting around to be killed, no disagreement there at all. But i don't see Rosina asking for a storyline for HNMs in his/her latest batch of posts on the subject.

Don't see how there could be much sub-context there. Low time spawn HNMs somehow revitalizing much of the empty areas off of the beaten path in FFXI. That's what i took from his/her posts anyway.

She was saying that she wanted HNM wandering around and to give low level players a sense of adventure etc.. It just sounded like quest / mission content was what she really wanted to me. That is the only thing I could think of that would make a low level person want to hang around an area where something was waiting to eat their face. I probably shouldn't try to read between the lines in this case though.

[geekgirl101]

I sort of miss HNM days, but then I think back to spending hours and hours waiting for people to show up to a HNM, waiting up to 3 more hours to note its TOD, and then going back the next day only to find 2 or 3 others online in ls who showed any interest in camping it while the other 10-20 people only bothered to join in after it popped. Then there was another very active HNM ls I was in which camped HNMs religiously that the entire day was spent camping HNMs. I wanted to play the game, but because I was online I was expected to show up to HNMs or get kicked for not showing up to HNM events. And the drama between HNM linkshells, oh dear god. "You used hacks!" "No way did you claim that properly, you voked before it spawned, I'm reporting!" "Everyone spam cure their tank so it flails!" "Pulling a spider train to their group, everyone get ready to claim it once they wipe!" I'd rather not live through that again, I have a life and I don't want to spend it glued to the screen again watching endlessly for a mob to spawn and then suffer the insults and accusations of 2 dozen people because someone outclaimed them.

There are still HNMs that pop after 21-23 hours like Cassie, Serket, Roc, Simurgh. I haven't camped any of them since returning to FFXI but I have killed Serket and Cassie at least once because they were there.

[Rosina]

I don't agree with this assessment at all. I think the two genres are radically different and that you are mistaking superficial similarities for genuinely synonymous game design.

only difference is 1 is online 1 is not... so no real difference actually they both are rpg @ heart.

what i'm getting @

newbies runs to gusgen mines and sees steele fleece* OMG THERE IS THIS MASSIVE RAM OUT HERE!!!! can i kill it?
LS: no but lets come out and help you
n: ok!!
*ls join parties with newbie and kill SF for him he gets to loot the drop"
n: OMG U GUYS ARE AWESOME I CAN'T WAIT TO HIT 99.

ffxi retains 1 player...

[Sayomi]

Excuse me sir, there is a Tiamat in my soup.

[Rosina]

Excuse me sir, there is a Tiamat in my soup.

lol this made me laugh.

oh btw that example i gave really happen was pretty cool to see. made me happy i was was a member of that LS at one point.

But i think you guys became jaded after playing ffxi too long. You forgot what it was like to be a newbie, or a mmorpg newbie. And really if ppl quit the game over an nm death... they never was gonna stay here long from the get go. You can't only win... there are times where you do have to loose to learn something. With out defeat winning becomes meaningless.

I just would think the cool factor of seeing nm and hnm up 2 would liven up the world and only reason content is dead is because of jaded ffxi vets who don't wanna "help" for the "millionth time". most newbies don't even know most the content >.> all they see is solo to 10... leech/burn in gusgen. leech/burn in cn. leech/burn in abyssea. and more often then not... ur LS mates are leech/burning and "too busy" to help/reply.

[cidbahamut]

only difference is 1 is online 1 is not... so no real difference actually they both are rpg @ heart.


You are absolutely positively delusional if you actually believe this.

Guys! Guys! Skyrim is exactly the same thing as FFXI only it's offline!

[Rosina]

You are absolutely positively delusional if you actually believe this.

Guys! Guys! Skyrim is exactly the same thing as FFXI only it's offline!

mmoRPG ..... what does that say??

[cidbahamut]

To me it says you don't know what in the world you're talking about and have no understanding of game design and lack the ability to differentiate game genres.

[Rekin]

mmoRPG ..... what does that say??

Your ignoring the important part. MMO. That part alone changes everything in how an RPG's meta is handled, from how strong monsters are to how stats are handled. Once people are thrown into the equation, in this case a lot, everything changes in how an rpg or any game for that matter is built.

[cidbahamut]

Not to mention the fact that "RPG" has become a misnomer over the years.

[FrankReynolds]

I tried to ride this (Snowmobile): http://www.allaspen.com/images/content/3967_5573_Aspen_Colorado_Snowmobiling_md.jpg

Across this: http://www.bestourism.com/img/items/big/311/Golden-Gate-Bridge-in-USA_Golden-Gate-Bridge-at-night_1495.jpg

today to get to work, but I got arrested despite the fact that it has "mobile" in the name just like this (Automobile):http://wizbangblue.com/images/2009/06/tesla_model_s-thumb.jpg

I tried to tell the officer that they should have the same rules since some of the letters in the name were the same... and he slapped me.

[Trisscar]

I tried to ride this (Snowmobile): http://www.allaspen.com/images/content/3967_5573_Aspen_Colorado_Snowmobiling_md.jpg

Across this: http://www.bestourism.com/img/items/big/311/Golden-Gate-Bridge-in-USA_Golden-Gate-Bridge-at-night_1495.jpg

today to get to work, but I got arrested despite the fact that it has "mobile" in the name just like this (Automobile):http://wizbangblue.com/images/2009/06/tesla_model_s-thumb.jpg

I tried to tell the officer that they should have the same rules since some of the letters in the name were the same... and he slapped me.

Something like this?


http://katepassionforlife.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/gibbs_head_slap_by_eib29.jpg

Edit: found the full sized meme.

[FrankReynolds]

Something like this?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-D7wkQViPauo/TcAPqILOudI/AAAAAAAAAJM/SlHJK98zXNA/s1600/Gibbs+slap.JPG

lol exactly.

[Rosina]

Your ignoring the important part. MMO. That part alone changes everything in how an RPG's meta is handled, from how strong monsters are to how stats are handled. Once people are thrown into the equation, in this case a lot, everything changes in how an rpg or any game for that matter is built.

actually mmo just means massive multiplay online... stats always worked the same from table top D&D era... maybe some tweeks here and there. but the basics still the same dmg calulation from player vs mobs will always be different game to game.

I was just pointing out basic rpg similarities on base context of what deems to be an "adventure" Which is fundementally the same from rpg to rpg... which is and have always been

fight large bosses, getting loot and saving the day. The meta game of mmo and rpg are yes different, but I wasn't commenting on the meta game.. but simply the large states how Huge the worlds of TES are and how huge worlds of the MMO tend to be. And large worlds should

[Rosina]

be filled with large and deadly creatures, not just criiter type mobs. You shouldn't need a reason to go explore the world. But if they need to add one so be it. Tie all the hnm type mobs which will be free roaming the zones to stray mary type kill quests/ belt mob skill quests where you need to kill said hnm for an npc to get an item... BUT also have it drop some nice peices as well. So ppl on the quests are rewarded and ppl killing it to help are rewarded. I just thought it would be nice to see the hnm free roam rather wait so long to a chance to fight it. It also cuts out the drama a bit since the re spawn is so low. And the only thing I did was CITE the INSPIRATION of my idea. Nice to see you brats had a field day with it.. based on how I originally explained it.

[Zerich]

@Rosa, the game does a very good job at streamlining where these big baddies are in the world. They are even there for the middle/low leveled jobs (see BCNMs, Lottery-spawns, and popped-NMs). No good player cares about mid-game in FFXI, beyond the point of advancing through the levels. It sounds like you're ignorant to the massive array of mobs to be fought throughout the world.

Also, MMORPGs are their own genre. They generally have a grind to the level cap, wherein the end-game (see fun) lies. And no one wants HNMs wandering throughout the lowbie areas. High level characters will not want to kill them, and lowbies will be too low/unskilled to do anything. Why won't high level characters want to kill them? Because it is a waste of time. No items of any worth will drop from the HNM; you have to be self deluded to believe otherwise.

An intelligent player would focus on effectively maximizing their gear sets and macros with the appropriate gear for various jobs and situations, so they can achieve the level of strength that is required to face off with the various NMs that are relevant to FFXI. But sadly, there are so many players who strive for sub-par performance because of their pride and ignorance to how stats and game mechanics function. Ignorance is easy to remedy, but pride is a disease.

tldr; suck less and you'll get to fight the NMs in vana'diel.

[Rosina]

@ zerich

You must be a newbie or something as I never stated ADD hnm... just simply make them more actively present. There are already nm/hnm in low level areas such as bloodtear and steele fleece.

If i suggested any add is to add them in the new areas under low spawn time or force pop. I guess you nevef actually played a TES game either as you more or less to the same. Grind mobs for skill ups which net you exp, beat the boss then go thru content they add afterward. All endgame is... is content for current level cap. Typically seen as a dungeon type event.

Also mmorpg is and isn't its own genre. As again its base is still around rpg. I've played more rpg and mmorpg i care to count and list.

Again All i said was make all nm and hnm on 15 min pop timers. And this game crom playing ffxiv, and TES games. Also Not everyone jumps on the endgame bandwagon. And I fought more then my fair share of nm/hnm over the years. I personally dispise lotto spawns and 24 hour cool down spawns.

[Rosina]

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And would perfer to see more of a presence for nm/hnm in ffxi. Also Zerich not every player plays like you do... you guys on the forums are infact a small percentile. Some people could careless on their maximizing their output and just play to have fun. heck some ppl find it a chore to do it. We all play rpg/mmorpg and ffxi in particular for different reasons.

and zerich since you have that level his a hinderance rather then a journey mindset... why not play World of warcraft... since that game was Like that since BC at least. Game seems more to your play style. With a community who supports it more. Instead of coming to this game, and not only insult just about every vet in this forum with school yard trash... But bring in that WoW esk mindset that endgame is the only game. Unlike WoW there is a ton of content to do at this game at any given level.. content that saddly goes unused because pretty much the "noobs" took over... (no offence to anyone) I've been playing this game from 2004...

[Rosina]

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I have personally seen the community shift once the vets of pc NA launch started to quit... and the "noobs" started becoming more of a presence.

By noobs i refer to the impatient cry babies who got kick out of parties for having a poor attitude. TBH the community back then was much better.... ppl actually put work into their characters and took pride in most everything they did. Now a days u can get away with leeching to cap, and leeching endgame. I see more lazy ppl then I did years ago... You guys call me lazy for not playing like you? I find it lazy to book burn. At least it shows that you put work in your character, and will put work into endgame. Heck most ppl drop their shells after they get there items... or say its beneath them to help.

this game went from having a great community... with focus on team work to burn/leech and solo content.

I'm having fun reguardless... but keep the "you suck" comments @ preschool. I've prob done more shii in 7 years then you have.