[Dev] PS2 User Poll

[Zeargi]

PLEASE, READ THE WHOLE POST AND DO AS ASKED

So with all the emotions flying over this PS2 thing. I want to find out a simple thing,
IF Square-Enix released a version of this new expansion for the PS2 on a digital and/or hard disc format would you buy it?

Goal: To find out the number of people that would. I personally have never been asked as US Citizen which system I play on, and people continue to say the SE surveyed people. So, it's plain and simple: If you would, reply here with just the word: 'Yes' and no additional information. If you wouldn't, don't reply at all. This isn't a debate post, it's a simple request of a single word answer
So please: no snide remarks, no lengthy discussions, no "no's." All I want here is the word "Yes" if you would purchase this.

Also it seems you can't just post: "Yes" so: "Yes, please" will be fine

[Reiterpallasch]

So please: no snide remarks, no lengthy discussions, no "no's.".
You must be new here.

[Zeargi]

Yes, please

[Mifaco]

Dear SE, please support my obsolete platform.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yes, please

You can't "Yes, please" your own post.

[Zeargi]

You can't "Yes, please" your own post.
I was testing the something, because I didn't realize there was a minimum character limit. And PLEASE... >_> for the love of all things HOLY! Why is it a hard concept to not do anything but the "Yes, Please"

[RAIST]

I was testing the something, because I didn't realize there was a minimum character limit. And PLEASE... >_> for the love of all things HOLY! Why is it a hard concept to not do anything but the "Yes, Please"

These forums just aren't used in the way you are trying to use it....some have tried to gather this information before and it just didn't go over well. Not even when we try to structure it to work with the forums "Like" system to keep it simple, it still tends to go astray:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/14075-Informal-Poll-Idea-What-OS-Hardware-do-you-play-FFXI-on?highlight=informal+poll

Unfortunately, only the moderators can actually setup a proper polling thread.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I was testing the something, because I didn't realize there was a minimum character limit. And PLEASE... >_> for the love of all things HOLY! Why is it a hard concept to not do anything but the "Yes, Please"

Because that's not the point of a "Forum" based on "Discussion"

There is plenty of "free" websites that offer that function for you.

Besides, you should be grateful. Me posting is stopping it dropping, two people so far is tragic.

[Arcon]

And PLEASE... >_> for the love of all things HOLY! Why is it a hard concept to not do anything but the "Yes, Please"

Because this thread is entirely useless.

[Zeargi]

Because this thread is entirely useless.
As are some of the replies, but that didn't stop you from being any less disrespectful.


Because that's not the point of a "Forum" based on "Discussion"

There is plenty of "free" websites that offer that function for you.

Besides, you should be grateful. Me posting is stopping it dropping, two people so far is tragic.

I'd be even more grateful if you'd respect what I'd ask.

[oliveira]

LOL This (PS2 being dropped for North America) only happened because SE themselves a few years ago used "PS2 limitations" as excuse for not doing what they were supposed to do.

Then the NA users decided to take an "ANTI PS2" sabotage instance. Then SE do some sort of POLL with their users to know which platform to develop for. NA players then choose anything BUT PS2 due to the anti PS2 campaign. JP users don't follow that suit.

Then here is the result: PS2 is dropped only for NA, Japanese PS2 is going strong.

That was pretty amusing. Thanks for the fun. I guess I'll just put the NA PS2 on the attic now ... :P

/me fires up the Japanese PS2 and keeps playing. ;)

[Habu]

Dear SE, please support my obsolete platform.

^ this x 1000

[Tamoa]

Making a thread - regardless of the topic - and then try to dictate what people can and cannot post in said thread, is guaranteed to backfire. I believe it already did in this case.

[Teraniku]

IF it were available for PS2, I'd buy it. (PS2 is easily transportable for when I house sit for friends) Although with Laptops coming down in price, I will probably go that route eventually.

[Hostee]

I'm am a brand new FFXI player and I play on the Xbox. I tried the PC version as well but have found for me personally, I like the Xbox version. The graphics are in HD and playing with the Xbox controller is much easier. I did find that you could play with the controller on the PC version as well but there is a tedious setup procedure that many people would probably give up on.
Also, from what I read the PS2 is not getting the new Expansion (correct me if I'm wrong) only PC/Xbox would be.

[Reiterpallasch]

There's pretty much no setup at all if you use a PS2 style controller. And xbox in HD? Sure, it may say HD, but it's not really doing anything special that PC can't do better.

[Zeargi]

Making a thread - regardless of the topic - and then try to dictate what people can and cannot post in said thread, is guaranteed to backfire. I believe it already did in this case.

It doesn't have to "back-fire" if I could use the poll feature myself, AND if people respected one another. But people believe that this Online Shield of Amnesty gives them a free pass. It's not hard to do a simple request, but the vast majority here seem to be callow to no end.

[Dazusu]

Delicious strawberry tears. PS2 is over, just like HNM. JUMP IT.

[Yambo99]

i like turtles!

[Zeargi]

i like turtles!
You sir... This is ground breaking!

[oliveira]

It's all about the REJECTION of the whole NA gaming community for the PS2. The shops want it gone so they can use the shelves to sell something that gives them more money.

The FFXI players want it gone because they think it will suddenly make the PC version better.

SE want it gone because they believe if they make the discs nobody will buy.

SONY want it gone because it no longer give them money.

[Zeargi]

Delicious strawberry tears. PS2 is over, just like HNM. JUMP IT.
And it's most likely true that PS2 will be done in the US, minus still being supported, just no expansion.:

Greetings,

I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.

I was just asking IF people would buy it if it was to come to the states.
I mean I would, but that's because I like my set-up in my room and my computer is really just for drawing and surfing of the webs. Also, I'm pretty sure my PS2 might blow a fuse if I tried to play anything but FFXI at this point.

To everyone: I'm sorry if my OP came across as abrasive. It's very frustrating that people are so malicious to one another for no really good reason. I'm a firm believer in it's not what you say, but how you say it. Which is why I'm going to again apologize. But we're people, we have feeling and there's no need to be mean to our fellow adventures in FFXI REGARDLESS of which platform you wish to play on. Text doesn't have inflection or modulation so what you might type in jest may come across hurtful, mean, or insensitive. We all vary in backgrounds, and what it takes to cause emotional harm to someone else may differ greatly from individual to individual.

[Myriads]

I've played on a PS2 since NA launch for it. I went with it back then because every computer in my house was an Apple, and back then there was no way to get the game to play on one.

That little machine is still working like a charm, and I play on it most every day.

I was saddened to hear that it would not be supported for the new expansion. But I also knew this day would come. Heck at over a decade old some night I knew the machine wouldn't work at some point.

So I decided to build a little system to just play FF on.

$60 got me a PC that could more then play the game. The needs for FF XI are pretty modest when one is looking at new computers.

I spent $18 for a PC to TV connector. I plan to still play on my nice big TV.

I spent $4 for a PS2 controller to UBS adaptor. I like to play with the game control. It just feels 'right' after all these years.

I will buy/grab a copy of the game files from either steam, or one of the hosts that keeps it updated for download, and patch it (not a process I look forward to, but its needful)

So this change will be a chance for me to get a new system that from all I hear plays a better version of the game, and will free me from the worry of my system dying of old age, yet provide all the aspects of the play experience I've liked for a decade. All for about $100. Not a crushing cost.

If the powers that be made the game available to NA PS2 users yes I'd get it. But I'm also going to prepare to move on, because, after all, things like the PS2 have a life span, and honestly, a decade on electronics is amazing.

[Westyle]

If I was to take an extremely wide shot in the dark I'd say the NA install base is 10% PS2, 20% 360, and 70% PC; the JP install base: 30% PS2, 10% 360, 60% PC.

Of course I have nothing to base this on but speculation.

[Zeargi]

If I was to take an extremely wide shot in the dark I'd say the NA install base is 10% PS2, 20% 360, and 70% PC; the JP install base: 30% PS2, 10% 360, 60% PC.

Of course I have nothing to base this on but speculation.

I'd say that's a good assumption give-or-take a % here or there for the US.

[wish12oz]

Didnt this thread already happen like 10 times?

[Zeargi]

Didnt this thread already happen like 10 times?

Sweetheart, you're a little late, but at this point it ultimately doesn't matter. There's been 3 'yes,' a whole lot of shenanigans, and some Turtle worshiping.

[Lisotte]

No, I wouldn't. I actually sold my ps2 a while back.

[Ritsuka]

I've got every single update on playstaiton ^_^

[Scuro]

Sell your PS2, buy somewhat meh PC and you will still be able to play FFXI, get with the times, and in short... I would never support PS2, ever. Its caused far too much damage to the games progress.

[Ryanx]

I have game on Laptop and for 360 and PS2 I hardly touch my PS2 version of the game but it does come in handy for few things

[Zeargi]

Sell your PS2, buy somewhat meh PC and you will still be able to play FFXI, get with the times, and in short... I would never support PS2, ever. Its caused far too much damage to the games progress.

It's going to have continued support, and my computer could most definitely run FFXI. Will I put it on my PC? More than likely not. I've got an artist's desk, so gaming in tandem with either/or is less than effective or comfortable if I use the PC as one of the open slots. Besides I still have my Atari, why in the world would I sell my PS2? Also I'd have to spend $40.00 if I got it for the PC now, versus the $20.00 I'd spend if I could continue using what I already have.

[RAIST]

Huh??!! $40??!! Where are you shopping?

http://www.gamestop.com/pc/games/final-fantasy-xi-ultimate-collection-abyssea-edition/92937
$19.99 (this is DLC, not Steam)

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39250/
$19.99

It has a habit of going on sale often, typically for $9.99, but I got a copy from gamestop last year on a weekend only sale for $5 and used the key to unlock the ASA add-on scenario I never got around to doing (which was still selling individually for $10). That was the complete collection through all of Abyssea for just $5 as a DLC package I saved off on a DVD in case I need to do a full re-install one day. But even so, at worst it's the normal price of just $20.

[Nala]

Either way this sort of poll is pointless considering even if you were to get the community to participate in the manner you requested the poll would only show a small portion of the actual server population.

[Zeargi]

Either way this sort of poll is pointless considering even if you were to get the community to participate in the manner you requested the poll would only show a small portion of the actual server population.

A little bit of this, and little bit of that. But it's still funny that everyone is like: "Drop the PS2" When it still won't change the fact that the JP players will still be on PS2. How am i suppose to play with you with both of my characters now, Knala? TELL ME!!! *Searches Craig's list for another xbox.*
All joking aside, It really was just to see how many people would. I know I would. :3

[RagingAvatar]

Yes, please.

[Moldtech]

Can I vote 3 times for lsmates that are ps2 only and have no browser access? If so, I vote yes 3 times.

[oliveira]

Can I vote 3 times for lsmates that are ps2 only and have no browser access? If so, I vote yes 3 times.

+1 for a fellow Fenrir server dweller who cares about the others ...

[Zeargi]

Huh??!! $40??!! Where are you shopping?

http://www.gamestop.com/pc/games/final-fantasy-xi-ultimate-collection-abyssea-edition/92937
$19.99 (this is DLC, not Steam)

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39250/
$19.99

It has a habit of going on sale often, typically for $9.99, but I got a copy from gamestop last year on a weekend only sale for $5 and used the key to unlock the ASA add-on scenario I never got around to doing (which was still selling individually for $10). That was the complete collection through all of Abyssea for just $5 as a DLC package I saved off on a DVD in case I need to do a full re-install one day. But even so, at worst it's the normal price of just $20.

Yes, 40.00 bucks me amigo. I still have the Xbox to update too so: Ultimate Collection (20.00) + Expansion x2 Which I'd assume is going to be about 10 bucks. Besides :3 I'm a box art person, If I get something, 90% of the time I want it to be physical if I can. OCD o_o; Often times I won't buy a game from Gamestop if it doesn't have the actual case XD

[RAIST]

Yes, 40.00 bucks me amigo. I still have the Xbox to update too so: Ultimate Collection (20.00) + Expansion x2 Which I'd assume is going to be about 10 bucks. Besides :3 I'm a box art person, If I get something, 90% of the time I want it to be physical if I can. OCD o_o; Often times I won't buy a game from Gamestop if it doesn't have the actual case XD

But you said it would cost you $40 to get it for the PC only:


Also I'd have to spend $40.00 if I got it for the PC now

It would cost you $20 for the Abyssea Edition....it's a downloaded package, not boxed. Don't recall seeing it boxed anywhere locally. So it would cost you only $20 and not $40 to install the current FFXI on the PC...that's everything to date on the PC in one shot for $20. No seperate expansions to buy, until the new expansion hits the shelf or becomes available in the next all-inclusive package. You could even hold off migrating to PC and just play the new content only on XB360 until that complete PC package is released and you get the whole ball of wax in one shot for the PC at a discount (which in previous trends has eventually been sold anywhere from $5 to $20). Who knows.. they might even do some special where you get the Abyssea Edition for just $5 again when the new expansion releases.

[Zeargi]

But you said it would cost you $40 to get it for the PC only:



It would cost you $20 for the Abyssea Edition....it's a downloaded package, not boxed. Don't recall seeing it boxed anywhere locally. So it would cost you only $20 and not $40 to install the current FFXI on the PC...that's everything to date on the PC in one shot for $20. No seperate expansions to buy, until the new expansion hits the shelf or becomes available in the next all-inclusive package. You could even hold off migrating to PC and just play the new content only on XB360 until that complete PC package is released and you get the whole ball of wax in one shot for the PC at a discount (which in previous trends has eventually been sold anywhere from $5 to $20). Who knows.. they might even do some special where you get the Abyssea Edition for just $5 again when the new expansion releases.

I didn't say for the PC only ^_^ you just assumed that. I play on both the 360 and the PS2. As I did mention that i play in tandem, meaning with something else. So my statement in completely true. If I got the FFXI Game for PC right now, as in this moment. I'd be paying the 20.00 for the game, and then having to pay for 2 additional expansion. If the do release the next expansion as a combined pack, it'll more than likely be $30.00 (Due to marketing price up-selling) and I'll still have to get the expansion for 360. Where if it were to be available on the PS2, I'd only have to buy the 2 expansions seeing how I already have everything up-to-date.

Of course the $30 is only a rough shot in the dark, but I've seen a number of times when retail people do market-ups way above the SRP.

[RAIST]

I didn't say for the PC only ^_^ you just assumed that. I play on both the 360 and the PS2. As I did mention that i play in tandem, meaning with something else. So my statement in completely true. If I got the FFXI Game for PC right now, as in this moment. I'd be paying the 20.00 for the game, and then having to pay for 2 additional expansion. If the do release the next expansion as a combined pack, it'll more than likely be $30.00 (Due to marketing price up-selling) and I'll still have to get the expansion for 360. Where if it were to be available on the PS2, I'd only have to buy the 2 expansions seeing how I already have everything up-to-date.

Of course the $30 is only a rough shot in the dark, but I've seen a number of times when retail people do market-ups way above the SRP.

Actually, no... I dind't assume anything. That is exactly what you said... that you would have to pay $40 to play on the PC RIGHT NOW.


It's going to have continued support, and my computer could most definitely run FFXI. Will I put it on my PC? More than likely not. I've got an artist's desk, so gaming in tandem with either/or is less than effective or comfortable if I use the PC as one of the open slots. Besides I still have my Atari, why in the world would I sell my PS2? Also I'd have to spend $40.00 if I got it for the PC now, versus the $20.00 I'd spend if I could continue using what I already have.

You would only have to pay $20 to put it on the PC RIGHT NOW. As for the additional cost for the expansion....it would be the same. You would be moving from XB360 and PS2 to XB360 and PC, as it appears they will not be offering Adoulin for PS2 outside of JP. So, you would not be buying any more copies of the expansion if they were offering it for the PS2---you would be buying 2 copies for XP360 and PS2, if you move to the PC you would STILL only be buying 2 copies, but for XB360 and PC.

So....the only additional cost, if you were to migrate to PC RIGHT NOW.... would be the cost of the PC version as it is RIGHT NOW, $20. It might even go on sale again for $9.99 at Steam--they do this off and on all the time. Or, as mentioned earlier, you could just get the expansion on the XB360 at launch and wait to migrate to the PC later when the next big bundle is released and save a little cash in the long run.

No matter how you slice it... it will NOT cost you $40 to move to PC, which is what you in fact actually stated. The only thing extra it would cost you would be the $20 to buy the Abyssea Addition as it is currently priced, UNLESS they were to extend Adoulin to the PS2 outside of JP AND you were to buy that third copy of the expansion, then you would be out $20 for that Abyssea Edition for PC Plus a THIRD copy of the expansion.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Actually, no... I dind't assume anything. That is exactly what you said... that you would have to pay $40 to play on the PC RIGHT NOW.

Indeed, OP may wish to re-read what they wrote.

[Cabalabob]

People who think it would be difficult to switch to PC are the people who have never tried it. I used to play on Xbox but one besieged freeze that wiped 2hrs of macro making finally pushed me over the edge. I bought the PC version off steam used my wired controller from Xbox and hooked the PC up to the TV with a HDMI cable. I have not used the 360 since. It plays exactly the same except without the performance issues, I can put it in windowed mode and access the Internet for maps and such, if I want to go somewhere it's a lot more portable seeing as its on my laptop and I can even take it places with no TV cause it has it's own screen. I hate that besieged for wiping my macros but I owe it for pointing me to a much better ffxi experience.

[Zeargi]

Actually, no... I dind't assume anything. That is exactly what you said... that you would have to pay $40 to play on the PC RIGHT NOW.



You would only have to pay $20 to put it on the PC RIGHT NOW. As for the additional cost for the expansion....it would be the same. You would be moving from XB360 and PS2 to XB360 and PC, as it appears they will not be offering Adoulin for PS2 outside of JP. So, you would not be buying any more copies of the expansion if they were offering it for the PS2---you would be buying 2 copies for XP360 and PS2, if you move to the PC you would STILL only be buying 2 copies, but for XB360 and PC.

So....the only additional cost, if you were to migrate to PC RIGHT NOW.... would be the cost of the PC version as it is RIGHT NOW, $20. It might even go on sale again for $9.99 at Steam--they do this off and on all the time. Or, as mentioned earlier, you could just get the expansion on the XB360 at launch and wait to migrate to the PC later when the next big bundle is released and save a little cash in the long run.

No matter how you slice it... it will NOT cost you $40 to move to PC, which is what you in fact actually stated. The only thing extra it would cost you would be the $20 to buy the Abyssea Addition as it is currently priced, UNLESS they were to extend Adoulin to the PS2 outside of JP AND you were to buy that third copy of the expansion, then you would be out $20 for that Abyssea Edition for PC Plus a THIRD copy of the expansion.

I said: I've got an artist's desk, so gaming in tandem with either/or is less than effective or comfortable if I use the PC as one of the open slots. ... Also I'd have to spend $40.00 if I got it for the PC now, versus the $20.00 I'd spend if I could continue using what I already have. My statement is CORRECT, and I've already explained it to you. Read the whole thing not just part of it. It's a future tense there. It's not a buffet, it's a complete idea and thought. This is also a hypothetical instance, and I'm not got to stop playing a second character that I've been playing for years. Even if it was to go on sale, I'm still PURCHASING the game again, which is still an expense cost that I wouldn't normally have to because I already have the game.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I said: I've got an artist's desk, so gaming in tandem with either/or is less than effective or comfortable if I use the PC as one of the open slots. ... Also I'd have to spend $40.00 if I got it for the PC now, versus the $20.00 I'd spend if I could continue using what I already have. My statement is CORRECT, and I've already explained it to you. Read the whole thing not just part of it. It's a future tense there. It's not a buffet, it's a complete idea and thought. This is also a hypothetical instance, and I'm not got to stop playing a second character that I've been playing for years. Even if it was to go on sale, I'm still PURCHASING the game again, which is still an expense cost that I wouldn't normally have to because I already have the game.

Also I'd have to spend $40.00 if I got it for the PC now
$40.00 if I got it for the PC now
for the PC now
now

now != in 2013 when the new EP comes out.

[Zeargi]

Also I'd have to spend $40.00 if I got it for the PC now
$40.00 if I got it for the PC now
for the PC now
now

now != in 2013 when the new EP comes out.
Listen, I'm not going to argue semantic with you. I've just had surgery and don't feel all that well, I've already explained myself, so please just drop it.

[RAIST]

I said: I've got an artist's desk, so gaming in tandem with either/or is less than effective or comfortable if I use the PC as one of the open slots. ... Also I'd have to spend $40.00 if I got it for the PC now, versus the $20.00 I'd spend if I could continue using what I already have. My statement is CORRECT, and I've already explained it to you. Read the whole thing not just part of it. It's a future tense there. It's not a buffet, it's a complete idea and thought. This is also a hypothetical instance, and I'm not got to stop playing a second character that I've been playing for years. Even if it was to go on sale, I'm still PURCHASING the game again, which is still an expense cost that I wouldn't normally have to because I already have the game.

Current Setup, 2 consoles, PS2 and XB360

future costs to Play Adoulin expansion IF it were extended to PS2 outside of JP:
2 x the cost of the Adoulin expansion.

Cost to migrate from PS2 to PC, continue playing XB360 (so you still have 2 platforms available):
$20 (IF you purchase it right now....you can actually install it on PC for ZERO cost)
HINT: you already have content ID's on the PS2, you'd use those on the PC.

Future cost to play Adoulin on two platforms after migration to PC (would be on XB360 and PC and NOT PS2):
2 x the cost of the Adoulin expansion.

If you were to find a USB converter, you could even use your PS2 controller on the PC. First one I used I got on ebay for $5. Found a better one at Walmart a few years later that also took GC, XB, and had extra USB ports on it for $10. So, you could actually simulate your PS2 experience, but on a better platform with the PC.

Nowhere in this process does $40 come into play, at most...it would cost you $20....PERIOD. And even that can be avoided under certain circumstances.

The point is, you can easily migrate to a PC for minimal investment (virtually nothing if you have access to the installation media so you don't have to buy it---just won't have a new content ID if you go the free route, which shouldn't matter since you would be linking to the existing ones registered with your SE ID/POL ID's anyway).

TLDR: $20 to purchase your own single copy of PC installation media != $40 (which can be avoided if you otherwise have access to the installation media up through WotG. The rest is downloaded in updates and activated after you link to your existing accounts, which is what you would be doing. So you don't really need that new content ID you get when purchasing a new copy).

[Zeargi]

Current Setup, 2 consoles, PS2 and XB360

future costs to Play Adoulin expansion IF it were extended to PS2 outside of JP:
2 x the cost of the Adoulin expansion.

Cost to migrate from PS2 to PC, continue playing XB360 (so you still have 2 platforms available):
$20 (IF you purchase it right now....you can actually install it on PC for ZERO cost)
HINT: you already have content ID's on the PS2, you'd use those on the PC.

Future cost to play Adoulin on two platforms after migration to PC (would be on XB360 and PC and NOT PS2):
2 x the cost of the Adoulin expansion.

If you were to find a USB converter, you could even use your PS2 controller on the PC. First one I used I got on ebay for $5. Found a better one at Walmart a few years later that also took GC, XB, and had extra USB ports on it for $10. So, you could actually simulate your PS2 experience, but on a better platform with the PC.

Nowhere in this process does $40 come into play, at most...it would cost you $20....PERIOD. And even that can be avoided under certain circumstances.

The point is, you can easily migrate to a PC for minimal investment (virtually nothing if you have access to the installation media so you don't have to buy it---just won't have a new content ID if you go the free route, which shouldn't matter since you would be linking to the existing ones registered with your SE ID/POL ID's anyway).

I get what your saying boss, but I don't have the game for PC, so I can't install it, even if I wanted to. But it's not just that. My desk, while close to the PS2 and XBox, is at an incline with a high seat. My set-up for the PC is so I can use it to draw. It's for my portfolio and animation projects. So it's not at the same level as the other two. But I'm not feeling so well at the moment, so I'm gonna lay down. If you can tell me where I can find this game without having to pay for it again, I'd be happy to listen.

[RagingAvatar]

Seriously, how hard is it to grasp? Got nothing better to do? Understand, some people like playing on PS2.
There's no argument to be had about how PC is better - that's your opinion.. I like the PS2 and play on it at home, and PC at work during lunch..

Just let it go and let us PS2 fans enjoy the console and continue asking for more content.

[RAIST]

Seriously, how hard is it to grasp? Got nothing better to do? Understand, some people like playing on PS2.
There's no argument to be had about how PC is better - that's your opinion.. I like the PS2 and play on it at home, and PC at work during lunch..

Just let it go and let us PS2 fans enjoy the console and continue asking for more content.

Unfortunately, it appears SE has already made the decision to not release Adoulin for the PS2 outside of JP. Probly due to the results of the poll they took last year.

Some informal user attempts at collecting the data have shown the breakdown at best to be around the 1/6 to 1/8 active clients being on the PS2 outside of JP installations....in some cases even less. So, if it is indeed that high of a non PS2 distribution in NA (above 80% on PC/XB360 clients), that may very well be why they have decided not to release new content to that region's PS2's.

[wish12oz]

Some informal user attempts at collecting the data have shown the breakdown at best to be around the 1/6 to 1/8 active clients being on the PS2 outside of JP installations

If the number of people playing on PS2 outside of japan was even 10% they would release it for the PS2. The fact that they are not releasing it for the PS2 shows that the real number is probably 3% or less.

[SNK]

If the number of people playing on PS2 outside of japan was even 10% they would release it for the PS2. The fact that they are not releasing it for the PS2 shows that the real number is probably 3% or less.

Honestly the best way to release this via the PS2 in the U.S. would be just to sell it in the online store. I still have my PS2 version and even tho I play 95% of the time on my P.C. I like to fire up the olde PS2 version once in a blue moon so yeah I'd buy it.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Honestly the best way to release this via the PS2 in the U.S. would be just to sell it in the online store. I still have my PS2 version and even tho I play 95% of the time on my P.C. I like to fire up the olde PS2 version once in a blue moon so yeah I'd buy it.

It's coming out on disk, so you're looking at 4~8GB of DATA. SquareEnix already said that they wont add more things that can be viewed client side due to internet speeds etc so what makes you think they will store ~8GB of DATA on their servers when they struggle so hard with small 100MB updates.

and they WONT use the PS Network as it's NOT on the PS2 it's a PS3 feature.

The best way is what they're doing, not supporting it.

[Zeargi]

It's coming out on disk, so you're looking at 4~8GB of DATA. SquareEnix already said that they wont add more things that can be viewed client side due to internet speeds etc so what makes you think they will store ~8GB of DATA on their servers when they struggle so hard with small 100MB updates.

and they WONT use the PS Network as it's NOT on the PS2 it's a PS3 feature.

The best way is what they're doing, not supporting it.

But they ARE still supporting it, just not in the US.

[SNK]

It's coming out on disk, so you're looking at 4~8GB of DATA. SquareEnix already said that they wont add more things that can be viewed client side due to internet speeds etc so what makes you think they will store ~8GB of DATA on their servers when they struggle so hard with small 100MB updates.

and they WONT use the PS Network as it's NOT on the PS2 it's a PS3 feature.

The best way is what they're doing, not supporting it.

Like I said. Just sell the disk online since most game stores don't support the PS2 anymore and leave it at that.

Like it'd be hard to slap it up here..

http://na.square-enix.com/members

[RAIST]

Eventually is simply comes down to the bottom line....the cost to get Sony to produce the discs for the NA region and then ship them out is probably not attractive enough against the expected revenue they would get in return. There is a minimum production level they will need to press to stand a chance at even breaking even in the end, much less make a profit. There simply might not be enough expcted NA users to buy up the minimum sized order.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Like I said. Just sell the disk online since most game stores don't support the PS2 anymore and leave it at that.

Like it'd be hard to slap it up here..

http://na.square-enix.com/members

They can't just sell the disk online, regardless the method to sell the disk they still need to pay Sony and so on to sell it.

If you're a games company you're going to look to see is the cost of making it >= profit margin and the likelihood is it will not.



But they ARE still supporting it, just not in the US.

Yes, in Disk Format in the country that the PS2 is still hugely popular in.. SE are not going "How can we annoy NA again, I know, lets not release it on PS2" they're a company after all, their thoughts would have been "Would the cost be worth it, *looks at previous poll* no, probably not."

[Zeargi]

Yes, in Disk Format in the country that the PS2 is still hugely popular in.. SE are not going "How can we annoy NA again, I know, lets not release it on PS2" they're a company after all, their thoughts would have been "Would the cost be worth it, *looks at previous poll* no, probably not."

But let's be honest, FFXI has been the most profitable MMO even with it's short-comes. It'll not likely that they make the money back in a single monthly subscription: B. Video Game Distributor's License Fee. The license fee for the video game distributor's license required under ECC 4.24.010(B) shall be $300.00 per year.
Plus extra sales that'll come from the those buying the game as it. SE already has Xbox's license til 2016, which means that they need to play $900.00 according to the the firgure there. But legalities aren't my forte.

[Flyinghippress]

But let's be honest, FFXI has been the most profitable MMO even with it's short-comes. It'll not likely that they make the money back in a single monthly subscription: B. Video Game Distributor's License Fee. The license fee for the video game distributor's license required under ECC 4.24.010(B) shall be $300.00 per year.
Plus extra sales that'll come from the those buying the game as it. SE already has Xbox's license til 2016, which means that they need to play $900.00 according to the the firgure there. But legalities aren't my forte.

It's not the most profitable MMO by any means. I'm sure WoW has that title with its millions of players and higher subscription price...

To make a "proper" poll in this forum though, you should have used the first post to say "like this post if you play on ps2" and reserved the second post to say "like this post if you don't play on ps2." As said before, dictating what people can or can't say is just going to make people want to say what you tell them not to, purely to agitate you. When you respond to their antics you're just furthering the problem.

[tyrantsyn]

Today I will make a thread, and every one will talk with me.


Today will be good.

[Zerich]

I suggest that the PS2 NA players receive in consolation a special PS2 only title that's obtainable. It will be through an exclusive PS2 quest, where Dr. Shanttoto (sp) will give you a macro-economics lecture. Your character will fall asleep mid-way through the c.s. of a lecture. When you wake up, you will be in your mog house with the new title "Finance School Drop-out". Make it happen.

[Zeargi]

It's not the most profitable MMO by any means. I'm sure WoW has that title with its millions of players and higher subscription price...

To make a "proper" poll in this forum though, you should have used the first post to say "like this post if you play on ps2" and reserved the second post to say "like this post if you don't play on ps2." As said before, dictating what people can or can't say is just going to make people want to say what you tell them not to, purely to agitate you. When you respond to their antics you're just furthering the problem.

We've already moved way passed that, or perhaps you missed the 4-5 extra pages that had nothing to do with the OP. But ultimately it boils down to respect, people online in the vast majority don't have it. They feel that because it's not really them, or you can't see their face that you don't have to R.A.V.E. That's not saying that there are a few that have tact and present things the way they should (Raist and such). If the topic has nothing that really pertains with you (E.I.: such as you play a BLM, then why post a response in the PUP job forum.) Just because a post is there doesn't mean you have to reply to it.

Today I will make a thread, and every one will talk with me.


Today will be good.

This has been here a few days, so I'm going to think that you're feeling lonely, so: "Hi there"

[Flyinghippress]

Just because a post is there doesn't mean you have to reply to it.

Exactly. ...

[Zeargi]

Exactly. ...

You still aren't adding anything beneficial to this conversation.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

You still aren't adding anything beneficial to this conversation.

Pot black!

(PS. I'm away by saying this it adds little so is also a pot black scenario)

[Unctgtg]

I would but I don't think it would be worth it. I am buying the Xbox and PC version though

[Zeargi]

Pot black!

(PS. I'm away by saying this it adds little so is also a pot black scenario)

In that instance you are correct, but I've brought more to this that he has. *Rolls up newspaper* Besides the Kettle is black!!

[Flyinghippress]

You still aren't adding anything beneficial to this conversation.

In that instance you are correct, but I've brought more to this that he has.

Um... the main points behind my post were that:

1) FFXI is most certainly not the most profitable MMO ever.
2) Teaching you how to bypass the poll system in a non-confrontational way.

I believe that does a lot for this thread since, as you said yourself, 4-5 out of the 7 pages were nothing but arguments and people provoking you to reply.

My second post was inferring that you should follow your own words. "Just because a post is there doesn't mean you have to reply to it," is sound advice, but you should certainly follow it yourself. Had you not responded to the negative comments in the very beginning you may have averted the 4-5 pages of arguments and flaming.

I should make it clear that I'm not flaming you or trolling your thread by any means but simply was giving you advice.

[SNK]

They can't just sell the disk online, regardless the method to sell the disk they still need to pay Sony and so on to sell it.

Yes they can. I don't know where you think they could just magically not produce a copy of the game on PS2 and just sell it thru their online store.

They already said they're making a PS2 version of the game in Japan, making a limited run of the same software for EU and NA release thru their online store would save them a lot of costs in the longrun.

Truthfully it still wouldn't be an issue to get this to run on EU and NA PS2 systems. There are simple ways around the issue to easily port the game to different regions since all the english software will be loaded into the JP PS2 version to begin with.

[RAIST]

Don't think you quite caught the jist of what he was saying. Just because they have a JP PS2 release, doesn't mean they instantly have access to a NA release to sell.

Contracts have already been consigned to market the current planned production, all of that would have to be altered (additional cost).

New contracts would have to be consigned with Sony to license NA product, then a minimum order of pressing would have to be contracted (again....additional costs.) Just because they have an order for JP PS2 DVD's doesn't mean they can use that same contract for NA and avoid initial costs--that is considered new product line, with all the same setup costs incurred for a NEW line because they would not have contracted under an international plan to produce multi regions under the same contract. One way or the other, a new contract has to be entered into, whether that is a new contract to cover both regions under one or two seperate contracts. Regardless, it would be two seperate pressings that would have to be setup, effectively doubling the cost more or less.

All of this has to add up and placed against the potential revenue that could be earned. It appears the bean counters at SE have weighed and measured a NA PS2 release, and come up wanting...thus, it's currently not in the cards.

[Zeargi]

Um... the main points behind my post were that:

1) FFXI is most certainly not the most profitable MMO ever.
2) Teaching you how to bypass the poll system in a non-confrontational way.

I believe that does a lot for this thread since, as you said yourself, 4-5 out of the 7 pages were nothing but arguments and people provoking you to reply.

My second post was inferring that you should follow your own words. "Just because a post is there doesn't mean you have to reply to it," is sound advice, but you should certainly follow it yourself. Had you not responded to the negative comments in the very beginning you may have averted the 4-5 pages of arguments and flaming.

I should make it clear that I'm not flaming you or trolling your thread by any means but simply was giving you advice.

1.) I'll correct my statement: It's the Most Profitable Final Fantasy title ever, but it's also got 10 years worth of service. A MMO is the easiest way to gain money, and it's not by any means saying that SE is hemorrhagic when it comes to finances.
2.)Raist, Pg1 already said AND did what you were suggesting, that also didn't work.
3.) True, my advice is pretty spot on, but there's a difference in a reply for the sake of being argumentative and disrespectful and replying for conversation purpose. You and I are having a conversation at this point in time, we're being civil. People are going to try and "Flame" me regardless of what I do, but in the end I personal don't care because they don't pay my bills, they don't control my job, the don't dictate my relationship with God, and don't have any effect on my personal well being other than the occasional headache. I'm an entertain by occupation, I've got to dance for complete strangers and pretend that I'm happy while I soubresaut my tired sweat rear down the street. I get judged on a daily basis, even by my own peers so at this point in life I'm kind of used to it. I thank you for trying to help, but like I said at this in the thread's life it's too late. It's best to <Flee> and take the words of Admiral Ackbar to heart: "It's a Trap!"

[Cooler]

Yes,please.

[deces]

Please be fair to all users of the community, by fully supporting the system that FFXI was designed around and made this game what it is, by releasing Seekers of Adoulin for PS2 & PS3, by disk or download.

[RAIST]

It's beginning to sound more and more like people just aren't getting it. SE appears to have more or less written off the PS2 for NA region because (in the grander scheme of things), the market has left it behind as a desired platform.

Bear in mind, I'm not saying there aren't NA players that prefer it on the PS2, but as a segment of the total market, there just aren't enough people still using the PS2 here to warrant pressing new disks for it. Otherwise, you would still be seeing it offered in physical media for a reasonable price and supply. I fear the same thing may be happenning to the XB360 platform soon as well...it's getting harder and harder for people to find new discs for a reasonable price for that console. As SONY has said repeatedly, they will continue to produce PS2's for the markets where it can be done feasibly for a profit. SE appears to be following a similar approach to FFXI on the PS2. Supply and demand...Economics 101.

[Cljader1]

SE need to add the expansion too ps2, that's the platform I play on

[FrankReynolds]

I Have like 10 broken / scratched copies for 360 that you guys can have. I also have both the original PS2 and PC versions in JP from 2003 ish. I'm sure there are several others with stacks of unused codes like me. I have since purchased the DL version online for $19.99 and never had to replace a disc since. The savings on new discs alone could cover the price of a new PC over several years, unless you are super anal about taking care of your discs and / or don't allow anyone else to use your system.

Long story short: Go get it on PC and prosper.

[Demon6324236]

Please be fair to all users of the community, by fully supporting the system that FFXI was designed around and made this game what it is, by releasing Seekers of Adoulin for PS2 & PS3, by disk or download.

Just because a game was made for it and made it what it is, does not mean they will continue on that console.

Look at games like Monday Night Combat, the game was out on Xbox 1st, sold well. A little while after they put it on the PC, on steam, the game was a hit there as well, and has been compared to Team Fortress 2. But as soon as the game went to the PC, the Xbox players started to be forgotten, and in time, completely abandoned. I was a player of this game for the Xbox, and never play shooters on the PC, there is now a new game of Monday Night Combat, essentially MNC2, but there is no Xbox version, the Xbox version of the original has been without updates for some time, and it was left for dead.

What I mean is, just because SE built it on PS2, and it came out on PS2, does not mean PS2 will always be involved. It has been 10 years since the game came out, please understand this. The time for the console is ending, and ended long ago honestly. The next gen of systems is expected in the next 2 years and your asking them to still support a 12 year old console that has no ability to be updated or upgraded. PS2 has lived a long time, and I'm surprised this long seeing as PS2 games have been outdated for 2~3 years now, but its time seems to be over.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

SE need to add the expansion too ps2, that's the platform I play onGet a JP PS2 and copy.

[Reiterpallasch]

People are still QQing over the game not being on PS2 for NA/EU? A PC that will run the game can be made for less than the expansion itself will likely cost ffs.

[Zerich]

People are still QQing over the game not being on PS2 for NA/EU? A PC that will run the game can be made for less than the expansion itself will likely cost ffs.

This is a lost cause for the people in question. They're still playing Bop-it, waiting for the Spice Girls reunion, and "Kennan and Kel" are still on Nick.

[FrankReynolds]

I like this line of thinking. Wouldn't it be great if all software manufacturers had to make every version of their software on floppy disk for all the tards who refuse to get a CD / DVD drive or an internet connection?

"Here you go sir. 1 copy of windows 7. Would you like the DVD version? or would you prefer 5,000 floppy disks?"

"Floppy please. It takes me six weeks to go through all the disks, but it's totally worth it so that I don't have to spend $40 on a cd drive!"

[0nionKn1ght]

Goal: To find out the number of people that would. I personally have never been asked as US Citizen which system I play on, and people continue to say the SE surveyed people.

Isn't it one of the annual census questions?

Also it's available for €12 (roughly $18) on Steam, as a full all in one code, which can be added to an existing account to top it up to the most current expansion, or used to create a new, fully upgraded account.

Not sure where you are getting the $40 from.

[bungiefanNA]

Get a JP PS2 and copy.

Hard to do if you can't read Japanese, since you can't change the in-game client language. SCEI also finally took the non-slim PS2 out of production 2-3 years ago, after almost a 10 year production run, so you'd be getting a used one.

[Iakothm]

I like this line of thinking. Wouldn't it be great if all software manufacturers had to make every version of their software on floppy disk for all the tards who refuse to get a CD / DVD drive or an internet connection?

"Here you go sir. 1 copy of windows 7. Would you like the DVD version? or would you prefer 5,000 floppy disks?"

"Floppy please. It takes me six weeks to go through all the disks, but it's totally worth it so that I don't have to spend $40 on a cd drive!"

And I love this type of Mentality. I play on PC but I don't give a fuck if someone wants to play on PS2 saying they should HAVE to play on pc is just beyond stupid. I mean shit you saying stuff like "it's totally worth it so I don't have to spend $40" as if $40 was nothing. Well the fact of the matter is 40 bucks is actually more than alot of people can afford to spend so if you truly want everyone to switch to pc here is an idea go out and buy everyone a pc after all they are so cheap that people can pick them up for less than the expansion right? I am sure you can afford that.

[FrankReynolds]

And I love this type of Mentality. I play on PC but I don't give a fuck if someone wants to play on PS2 saying they should HAVE to play on pc is just beyond stupid. I mean shit you saying stuff like "it's totally worth it so I don't have to spend $40" as if $40 was nothing. Well the fact of the matter is 40 bucks is actually more than alot of people can afford to spend so if you truly want everyone to switch to pc here is an idea go out and buy everyone a pc after all they are so cheap that people can pick them up for less than the expansion right? I am sure you can afford that.

Why don't you buy me a PS2 since you think I should get a PS2 quality game despite the fact that I paid for the PC and 360 versions as well. And $40 isn't a lot of money (Nor is it even relevant). I just watched a kid sell a PS2 and some games for $40 today at the garage sale across the street. He probably went and spent that money on a better gaming system and you should do the same.

If you can afford to pay $100+ a year for a game, but can't come up with $19.99 once every ten years to change platforms, then you either have the tightest budget in known existence, or you are full of crap. What are you gonna do if they raise the subscription price due to inflation? Will you be forced into a life of crime to pay for it? Oh gosh. I hope they don't do that. The street will be full of insane FFXI addicts. This could be worse than crack in the 80's.

[Iakothm]

I play on PC. The fact of the matter is You are telling people they NEED a pc to play this game you are trying to compare need to want which is stupid. No matter what you aren't gonna get the type of update you want even if they remove all support and put it on only PC. ps2 players have been just as dedicated to this game as any pc players if not more so. So seriously all the people playing on PC need to get off their damn high horse and leave PS2 players alone.

[Arcon]

I play on PC. The fact of the matter is You are telling people they NEED a pc to play this game you are trying to compare need to want which is stupid.

No, SE are telling them that. He's just trying to convince them that it's not a bad thing. SE are basically doing everyone a favor with this move, even though many people are too stubborn to see it.

[RAIST]

Think of it as planned obsolescence.

Eventually, you won't be able to get anything FFXI for the PS2 in the other regions. When Sony one day no longer deems it cost effective to support PS2 in the JP region, it too will go the way of the Dodo as a viable FFXI platform there as well (Sony has already slated this for review in 2015). Think of it this way... there is a reason i386, i486, P5, etc. systems left the market and Intel stopped producing the CPU's---better systems hit the markets and the CONSUMERS moved to the better platforms.

It is an inevitable change that IS GOING TO HAPPEN, whether you like it or not.

[Chilloa]

lol This thread was a good read. Think it's time to close it up though. OP, to answer your question. No, no one would buy it save the two or three people in this thread who said they would. How about it SE? Spend a lot of money to make a quick, according to this thread, $80 bucks? Or wait until the end of the month and make that same amount in a few seconds?

OP you've really got them cornered! :rolleyes:

[Demon6324236]

I play on PC. The fact of the matter is You are telling people they NEED a pc to play this game you are trying to compare need to want which is stupid. No matter what you aren't gonna get the type of update you want even if they remove all support and put it on only PC. ps2 players have been just as dedicated to this game as any pc players if not more so. So seriously all the people playing on PC need to get off their damn high horse and leave PS2 players alone.

Nothing about being on high horses. Simple way to say it, been 10 years, its on a 12 year old console. You can only keep things alive on outdated things for so long before they become a hindrance. People can upgrade, and if they are gamers should have upgraded by now. By the end of the next 2 years we should see a new gen on consoles, meaning the PS2 will be 2 gens behind. Games for it are mostly not sold in stores, the console is dying and it is generally time to move on, FFXI is probably the only game still even alive on PS2.

I love the PS2, I got it when it came out and played it for 9 years as my only system I ever really played, then I went to Xbox 360 around 3 years ago, I still play PS2 but I accept the system is old and dying, and I expect nothing good to come of this game keeping it around. If they were to say now that FFXI will be alive for 5 more years, I would expect them to drop all PS2s in the next year or 2 then move on and possible support another console when releasing a pack with all the expansions.

[Cljader1]

I like this line of thinking. Wouldn't it be great if all software manufacturers had to make every version of their software on floppy disk for all the tards who refuse to get a CD / DVD drive or an internet connection?

"Here you go sir. 1 copy of windows 7. Would you like the DVD version? or would you prefer 5,000 floppy disks?"

"Floppy please. It takes me six weeks to go through all the disks, but it's totally worth it so that I don't have to spend $40 on a cd drive!"

This guy is an idiot there plenty of people who have it on ps2. Btw this is a video game not a cpu operating system or cpu complex hardware and there more than enough space on the HDD to put the new expansion on. SE is already getting 17.95 out of me each month. Now they want me to buy another new platform or cpu that can handle ffxi gaming plus all the expansions too continue playing, this is stupid and cost way too much especially for a game that's 10 years old.

[Cljader1]

No, SE are telling them that. He's just trying to convince them that it's not a bad thing. SE are basically doing everyone a favor with this move, even though many people are too stubborn to see it.

What favor is SE doing for everyone sir??

[Cljader1]

lol This thread was a good read. Think it's time to close it up though. OP, to answer your question. No, no one would buy it save the two or three people in this thread who said they would. How about it SE? Spend a lot of money to make a quick, according to this thread, $80 bucks? Or wait until the end of the month and make that same amount in a few seconds?

OP you've really got them cornered! :rolleyes:

Ummm not everyone who plays ffxi reads these forums and moreover not everyone that reads these forums write a post, your logic is flawed

p.s. - I just saw this thread a few days ago

[Cljader1]

Nothing about being on high horses. Simple way to say it, been 10 years, its on a 12 year old console. You can only keep things alive on outdated things for so long before they become a hindrance. People can upgrade, and if they are gamers should have upgraded by now. By the end of the next 2 years we should see a new gen on consoles, meaning the PS2 will be 2 gens behind. Games for it are mostly not sold in stores, the console is dying and it is generally time to move on, FFXI is probably the only game still even alive on PS2.

I love the PS2, I got it when it came out and played it for 9 years as my only system I ever really played, then I went to Xbox 360 around 3 years ago, I still play PS2 but I accept the system is old and dying, and I expect nothing good to come of this game keeping it around. If they were to say now that FFXI will be alive for 5 more years, I would expect them to drop all PS2s in the next year or 2 then move on and possible support another console when releasing a pack with all the expansions.

I understand that so why not make it for ps3, most people who have ps2 naturally move on too ps3. If they are not going too make the expansion for ps2 then make a version of ffxi for ps3.

[FrankReynolds]

This guy is an idiot there plenty of people who have it on ps2. Btw this is a video game not a cpu operating system or cpu complex hardware and there more than enough space on the HDD to put the new expansion on. SE is already getting 17.95 out of me each month. Now they want me to buy another new platform or cpu that can handle ffxi gaming plus all the expansions too continue playing, this is stupid and cost way too much especially for a game that's 10 years old.

You already have a computer that can handle FFXI. Quit trying to play the "I can't afford a PC" card. You make it sound like all PS2 players are financially irresponsible morons, when in reality they are just people who like things a certain way and don't want to change.

[Zerich]

What favor is SE doing for everyone sir??

helping drop ps2 support.

btw, level your drk98

[Reiterpallasch]

And I love this type of Mentality. I play on PC but I don't give a fuck if someone wants to play on PS2 saying they should HAVE to play on pc is just beyond stupid. I mean shit you saying stuff like "it's totally worth it so I don't have to spend $40" as if $40 was nothing. Well the fact of the matter is 40 bucks is actually more than alot of people can afford to spend so if you truly want everyone to switch to pc here is an idea go out and buy everyone a pc after all they are so cheap that people can pick them up for less than the expansion right? I am sure you can afford that.

If $40 makes or breaks you, what system the expansion is released on should be the last of your worries.

[Arcon]

What favor is SE doing for everyone sir??

Forcing everyone to play a better version of FFXI.

[RAIST]

This guy is an idiot there plenty of people who have it on ps2. Btw this is a video game not a cpu operating system or cpu complex hardware and there more than enough space on the HDD to put the new expansion on. SE is already getting 17.95 out of me each month. Now they want me to buy another new platform or cpu that can handle ffxi gaming plus all the expansions too continue playing, this is stupid and cost way too much especially for a game that's 10 years old.

What are the specs of the PC/laptop you are posting with? Chances are, it is sufficient to run FFXI, unless it's pretty old. The only reason I can't put it on this laptop is because it's an ancient IBM that can't support TNL properly (came with Win2k on it, DX7 hardware support)--but the home built PC (circa 2006, a few upgrades along the way) runs it full screen and full frame rates.

And the cost to get the PC version and all the expansions....is currently LESS then what you report to pay monthly if you get it on sale through steam. Otherwise, it's just 19.99 DLC from all the other channels, and may go on sale at one of those other portals as well (it's been on sale many times for $9.99 or less).

[RAIST]

I understand that so why not make it for ps3, most people who have ps2 naturally move on too ps3. If they are not going too make the expansion for ps2 then make a version of ffxi for ps3.

Perhaps because doing so would require them to write a completely new wrapper and have to deal with the SAME limitations nested in the core code (it would be doing the same thing it is doing now). They aren't going to do a full rewrite of the game JUST for the PS3 and it's hardware environment at this late stage of the game.

[Cljader1]

You already have a computer that can handle FFXI. Quit trying to play the "I can't afford a PC" card. You make it sound like all PS2 players are financially irresponsible morons, when in reality they are just people who like things a certain way and don't want to change.

No, Im going to keep playing that card because its a fact. Buying a new platform to play a 10 year old game is absurd. How do you know my computer can handle ffxi, already told you it cant, so not only are you a idiot but your psychic one too.

[Reiterpallasch]

No, Im going to keep playing that card because its a fact. Buying a new platform to play a 10 year old game is absurd. How do you know my computer can handle ffxi, already told you it cant, so not only are you a idiot but your psychic one too.
Then the question should be "Why do you even own a PC more than 10 years old?". Because anything newer than that should be able to play it.

[Cljader1]

Perhaps because doing so would require them to write a completely new wrapper and have to deal with the SAME limitations nested in the core code (it would be doing the same thing it is doing now). They aren't going to do a full rewrite of the game JUST for the PS3 and it's hardware environment at this late stage of the game.

I don't see why they wouldn't explore this unless they plan on ending the game soon which I doubt. They added xbox 360 too ffxi, ffxiv will be on ps3 so I don't know why SE wont explore making a ffxi version playable for ps3. They had 10 years to make a transition to ps3. Furthermore, there still space on the HDD and having all aspects of the game available to ps2 user except for the new expansion is a bit silly

[Demon6324236]

No, Im going to keep playing that card because its a fact. Buying a new platform to play a 10 year old game is absurd. How do you know my computer can handle ffxi, already told you it cant, so not only are you a idiot but your psychic one too.

Keeping a 12 year old console on a game that is still popular enough to get new content and be alive is absurd. If you don't want to buy a PC then don't, if you don't want to upgrade your PC then don't. There is much more reason than 1 single game to do those things, but if you don't want to do it then don't, just don't complain when things like this happen.

[Cljader1]

Forcing everyone to play a better version of FFXI.

That's not a favor its a blunder, and by being better is a matter of option. Paying more money for new platforms, past expansion bundles and the new expansion is an absurdity, all of this on top of my 17.95 monthly. Stuff like this will only serve to push customers away

[Demon6324236]

I understand that so why not make it for ps3, most people who have ps2 naturally move on too ps3. If they are not going too make the expansion for ps2 then make a version of ffxi for ps3.

This is possible, but we have no word on it. We also don't know how things are between Sony on the idea. Sony may see getting FFXIV as being a reason they do not need another FF MMO. Xbox has FFXI however and they are not getting FFXIV, so thats where FF players on Xbox are getting their MMO. It also could be they don't want to spend the time and money with what seems to be a currently small team so that they can add a new console. There are alternatives to playing on PS2, you are not forced to move. You are also not forced to quit, the expansion may not be coming to PS2 but that doesn't mean you cant play the game. My gf went a very long time without abyssea, got 2 jobs to 95 without it, and in the end she lived, you can as well, may not be as fun and you will feel left out but you do have choices to change that if you want and have the money.

[Cljader1]

Keeping a 12 year old console on a game that is still popular enough to get new content and be alive is absurd. If you don't want to buy a PC then don't, if you don't want to upgrade your PC then don't. There is much more reason than 1 single game to do those things, but if you don't want to do it then don't, just don't complain when things like this happen.

Last time I checked the OP made the thread for ps2 users to post, if you don't like this thread and the options of the ps2 posters then don't post, because I will continue to express my concerns.

[Demon6324236]

the options of the ps2 posters

I simply explained your options. Stay on PS2, get less content. Buy new console, get more content. These seem to be your primary options apart from leaving this game.

[Cljader1]

This is possible, but we have no word on it. We also don't know how things are between Sony on the idea. Sony may see getting FFXIV as being a reason they do not need another FF MMO. Xbox has FFXI however and they are not getting FFXIV, so thats where FF players on Xbox are getting their MMO. It also could be they don't want to spend the time and money with what seems to be a currently small team so that they can add a new console. There are alternatives to playing on PS2, you are not forced to move. You are also not forced to quit, the expansion may not be coming to PS2 but that doesn't mean you cant play the game. My gf went a very long time without abyssea, got 2 jobs to 95 without it, and in the end she lived, you can as well, may not be as fun and you will feel left out but you do have choices to change that if you want and have the money.

We all know you'll get left behind in the game if one does not have access to new expansion areas, especially this one when they are implementing a new nation and new continent. Maybe its true ffxi has a skeleton crew, I seen all the ps2 vs cpu debates back then but I chose not to post because I saw it as a stupid argument/debate. Maybe I shouldve posted in those forums seeing that SE visits regularly now. But SE needs to understand that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them.

[Cljader1]

I simply explained your options. Stay on PS2, get less content. Buy new console, get more content. These seem to be your primary options apart from leaving this game.

I'm aware of the options, but there should be more options and that's the crux of the argument here, and the central issue among ps2 users

[RAIST]

I don't see why they wouldn't explore this unless they plan on ending the game soon which I doubt. They added xbox 360 too ffxi, ffxiv will be on ps3 so I don't know why SE wont explore making a ffxi version playable for ps3. They had 10 years to make a transition to ps3. Furthermore, there still space on the HDD and having all aspects of the game available to ps2 user except for the new expansion is a bit silly



Guessing you don't have muuch understanding of how the process works. Microsoft provides the tools for converting DirectX compliant products to the XB360. Sony doesn't provide the robust tools the Microsoft does. Basically, a lot of the code would have to actually be written for the PS3, where a lot of it is automated for XB360. Thus, it requires minimal efffort to port the more compliant PC portions to the XB360--PS3 is more likely to require a rewrite of the actual runtimes.

Case in point, you referenced FF14. Roughly 6 months after testing the PC environment, they moved on to converting/testing PS3--only to find it wouldn't run on the PS3 as it was, and had to go back and GUT IT TO MAKE IT RUN. You can't just port from PC release to PS3--because the tools Sony provides are rubbish in comparison.

[Demon6324236]

We all know you'll get left behind in the game if one does not have access to new expansion areas, especially this one when they are implementing a new nation and new continent. Maybe its true ffxi has a skeleton crew, I seen all the ps2 vs cpu debates back then but I chose not to post because I saw it as a stupid argument/debate. Maybe I shouldve posted in those forums seeing that SE visits regularly now. But SE needs to understand that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them.

Well I will ask you then why should SE continue to support a console or a group if there are small amount of people who play on that console?

[RAIST]

No, Im going to keep playing that card because its a fact. Buying a new platform to play a 10 year old game is absurd. How do you know my computer can handle ffxi, already told you it cant, so not only are you a idiot but your psychic one too.

Again...specs on this system in question would be nice to see. I have spare parts that have been collecting dust for about 8 years I could use to throw a system together that is capable of running FFXI. The PC I built for my 14 year old daughter when she was in 1st grade can run it ffs--and that was built from scraps after upgrading another system. Sure, it only has a 128MB vid card in it, and an ISA Soundblaster card--but it can run FFXI.

[RAIST]

This is possible, but we have no word on it. We also don't know how things are between Sony on the idea. Sony may see getting FFXIV as being a reason they do not need another FF MMO. Xbox has FFXI however and they are not getting FFXIV, so thats where FF players on Xbox are getting their MMO. It also could be they don't want to spend the time and money with what seems to be a currently small team so that they can add a new console. There are alternatives to playing on PS2, you are not forced to move. You are also not forced to quit, the expansion may not be coming to PS2 but that doesn't mean you cant play the game. My gf went a very long time without abyssea, got 2 jobs to 95 without it, and in the end she lived, you can as well, may not be as fun and you will feel left out but you do have choices to change that if you want and have the money.

lol.. it took almost a year for me to even start TAU content...it was Manaburns that finally lured me out there for my BLM, then besieged for the skillups on it afterwards. Just because it's out there, doesn't mean you HAVE to participate.

[RAIST]

We all know you'll get left behind in the game if one does not have access to new expansion areas, especially this one when they are implementing a new nation and new continent. Maybe its true ffxi has a skeleton crew, I seen all the ps2 vs cpu debates back then but I chose not to post because I saw it as a stupid argument/debate. Maybe I shouldve posted in those forums seeing that SE visits regularly now. But SE needs to understand that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them.

I'm curious....just how does one get left behind if they don't visit the new continent?

Level to 99 in pre-Abyssea areas....check
Aquire Powerful abyssea gear solo at 99....check.
Complete Empyrean weapons either solo or with LS/FriendsList contacts....check.
CoP content level cap restrictions lifted....WotG/TAU (most all older content) soloable/low-man content now....check.

Sooooo...all you are denied without having access to the new zone, is the new zone and items that can only be obtained by completing content in that new zone (if it can be bought/traded, it can be acquired without completing said content).

So again.....just how does one get "left behind"?

[Zerich]

We all know you'll get left behind in the game if one does not have access to new expansion areas, especially this one when they are implementing a new nation and new continent. Maybe its true ffxi has a skeleton crew, I seen all the ps2 vs cpu debates back then but I chose not to post because I saw it as a stupid argument/debate. Maybe I shouldve posted in those forums seeing that SE visits regularly now. But SE needs to understand that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them.

the polls they took about a year ago most likely beg to differ.

[Miloki]

I play on PC x2 and though the PS3 with backward compatibility. And it looks horrible on PS3..even with a fancy TV and quality hookup cables. *IF* if looked better on PS3 i would be interested..but without a complete overhaul it won't...so drop PS2 support imo...technology passed that platform by.

[Cljader1]

Guessing you don't have muuch understanding of how the process works. Microsoft provides the tools for converting DirectX compliant products to the XB360. Sony doesn't provide the robust tools the Microsoft does. Basically, a lot of the code would have to actually be written for the PS3, where a lot of it is automated for XB360. Thus, it requires minimal efffort to port the more compliant PC portions to the XB360--PS3 is more likely to require a rewrite of the actual runtimes.

Case in point, you referenced FF14. Roughly 6 months after testing the PC environment, they moved on to converting/testing PS3--only to find it wouldn't run on the PS3 as it was, and had to go back and GUT IT TO MAKE IT RUN. You can't just port from PC release to PS3--because the tools Sony provides are rubbish in comparison.

Where's your proof to back any of these claims up??

[Cljader1]

Again...specs on this system in question would be nice to see. I have spare parts that have been collecting dust for about 8 years I could use to throw a system together that is capable of running FFXI. The PC I built for my 14 year old daughter when she was in 1st grade can run it ffs--and that was built from scraps after upgrading another system. Sure, it only has a 128MB vid card in it, and an ISA Soundblaster card--but it can run FFXI.

The average person doesn't build a computer, and the average person doesn't build a computer out of left over spare. My comps are for browsing only and does not have the processing power for MMO's such as ffxi or ffxiv. Furthermore I bought ps2 for ffxi, and after buying the system for this game there telling me a need a new platform for it, its absurb

[Cljader1]

the polls they took about a year ago most likely beg to differ.

Wheres your proof for this?? Moreover, if such a poll does exist I didn't see it or participate in it, which leads me to my next statement "that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them."

[Cljader1]

I'm curious....just how does one get left behind if they don't visit the new continent?

Level to 99 in pre-Abyssea areas....check
Aquire Powerful abyssea gear solo at 99....check.
Complete Empyrean weapons either solo or with LS/FriendsList contacts....check.
CoP content level cap restrictions lifted....WotG/TAU (most all older content) soloable/low-man content now....check.

Sooooo...all you are denied without having access to the new zone, is the new zone and items that can only be obtained by completing content in that new zone (if it can be bought/traded, it can be acquired without completing said content).

So again.....just how does one get "left behind"?

Ill help you out since you cant see it,
1) new lvling zones
2) New Gear
3) New City
4) New Missions
5) New Weapons
6) New Quests
7) New Blue Magic
8) New Items for Crafting
9) Mining, logging, havesting
10) New fishing Areas
11) New trails could be in said areas
12) New magic scrolls
13) Unlock New jobs
14) Open up logistics to get to New area
15) New Events

I can really go on and on about the new contents and ways you can get left behind

[Zachary90]

Wheres your proof for this?? Moreover, if such a poll does exist I didn't see it or participate in it, which leads me to my next statement "that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them."

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/1108/topics_all.html

[RAIST]

Where's your proof to back any of these claims up??

It's common knowledge in the PS2/3 Scenes...as in people who tinker with this stuff as a hobby/job. Countless complaints in reviews about the platforms, excuses for why some houses did not lend support to the PS3 simply because it was easier to develop for the XB360 over the PS3.....it's all out there on the web if you've kept up with any of it over the years, you would be aware of it.

Announcements about FF14 Development. It was common knowledge, and the butt of jokes about them having to reduce texture sizes and such for the PS3 when it went into testing. Again, it was all out there on the web in reviews and forums back when it all went down.

[RAIST]

Ill help you out since you cant see it,
1) new lvling zones
2) New Gear
3) New City
4) New Missions
5) New Weapons
6) New Quests
7) New Blue Magic
8) New Items for Crafting
9) Mining, logging, havesting
10) New fishing Areas
11) New trails could be in said areas
12) New magic scrolls
13) Unlock New jobs
14) Open up logistics to get to New area
15) New Events

I can really go on and on about the new contents and ways you can get left behind

That is not getting left behind in any way shape or form. Being left behind implies you are rejected, discarded, left to rot and fend for yourself...you've become a modern day pariah because you don't have access to one island on the map.

All you've done is mostly make a list of new items, which as I stated earlier, if it is gear that can be bought/traded--you can still acquire them without stepping foot on the island.

New jobs....I've got 4 jobs stuck at 0, and never intend to unlock them. It hasn't caused me to be left out of any content because I don't have them available.

Events/Logistics...I don't do NNI, only hit floor 100 on NI this past year, still have a ton of assaults to do---doesn't mean I get rejected because I haven't completed that content. I have leaders in my LS that have yet to finish some of older content--haven't even finished WotG. None of that has caused them to get "left behind". I have friends that never even started Crafting or Synergy in the current scope of content, and it hasn't held them back.

People get very far in this ggame with never even gaining access to Khazaam. So, again.....how does it cause one to be spurned from the game if they don't have access to one island?

[RAIST]

Wheres your proof for this?? Moreover, if such a poll does exist I didn't see it or participate in it, which leads me to my next statement "that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them."

It was conducted through POL....when you logged in, you clicked off the platform you were playing on before the game launched. Guess you weren't playing then?

[Cljader1]

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/1108/topics_all.html

I saw this notification but I didn't participate in it, if they would've came out and said the data from this poll will determine how we support compatibility with other platforms, I would've participated in it. Moreover, whats the outcome of that poll? Do you have the tally?

[Cljader1]

It's common knowledge in the PS2/3 Scenes...as in people who tinker with this stuff as a hobby/job. Countless complaints in reviews about the platforms, excuses for why some houses did not lend support to the PS3 simply because it was easier to develop for the XB360 over the PS3.....it's all out there on the web if you've kept up with any of it over the years, you would be aware of it.

Announcements about FF14 Development. It was common knowledge, and the butt of jokes about them having to reduce texture sizes and such for the PS3 when it went into testing. Again, it was all out there on the web in reviews and forums back when it all went down.

If this is the case, as you state it, then why is ffxiv coming out for ps3 and ffxiv is not available for xbox? Just doesn't make sense, which again leads me to conclusion that there no reason why the new expansion shouldnt be available on ps2 or ffxi and all its contents shouldnt be available on ps3

[Zachary90]

If this is the case, as you state it, then why is ffxiv coming out for ps3 and ffxiv is not available for xbox? Just doesn't make sense, which again leads me to conclusion that there no reason why the new expansion shouldnt be available on ps2 or ffxi and all its contents shouldnt be available on ps3

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=no+ffxiv+for+360

[RAIST]

If this is the case, as you state it, then why is ffxiv coming out for ps3 and ffxiv is not available for xbox? Just doesn't make sense, which again leads me to conclusion that there no reason why the new expansion shouldnt be available on ps2 or ffxi and all its contents shouldnt be available on ps3

There has been much speculation on whey it's not coming to XB360--most likely it was due to some pushback from Microsoft, or simply a better deal was struck with Sony...possibly because of their long-standing relationship with Sony and their SDK. Also, PS3 kit is far more proprietary, and I would hazard a guess SE is far more familiar with the PS3 and programming directly to it's SPE's than trying to eek the prerformance out of the XB360. Even though it is claimed you can go from Visual Studio or XNA directly to XB360, Microsoft has layer upon layer of hoops to jump through to get something certified. At one point, for Windows apps, you couldn't use Java at all to get an app certified--not even a java connector or MySQL--it had to be ODBC, SQL, etc. or they wouldn't let you put their stamp on it.

Another topic of high contention is why they seemed to have stopped production of FFXI XB360 discs so soon after it's launch. Who knows, but there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes with these contracts, and from working for a company who continually struggled with recertifying partnership status with them over the years....Microsoft just likes to overcomplicate things as policy.

[RAIST]

The average person doesn't build a computer, and the average person doesn't build a computer out of left over spare. My comps are for browsing only and does not have the processing power for MMO's such as ffxi or ffxiv. Furthermore I bought ps2 for ffxi, and after buying the system for this game there telling me a need a new platform for it, its absurb

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/envi/win/win01.html?pageID=win

Minimum System RequirementsOperating System: Windows® XP/Vista/7
CPU: Intel® Pentium®III 800Mhz or faster processor
Memory: 128 MB RAM
Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce™ series with 32 MB or ATI® RADEON™ 9000 series
Sound Card: DirectX®8.1 compatible sound card
Hard Drive Space: 9.5 GB free hard disk space
Other: Keyboard, mouse, DirectX8.1 (included with install disc),
CD-ROM drive (used only when installing)

*For PlayOnline/FINAL FANTASY XI: Ultimate Collection, Vana'diel Collection(s), Aht Urhgan, and Wings of the Goddess, a DVD-ROM drive is necessary for installation.

RecommendedOperating System: Windows® XP Professional
CPU: Intel® Pentium®4 processor
Memory: 256 MB
Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce FX™ series or GeForce 6 series
Sound Card: DirectX®8.1 compatible sound card
Hard Drive Space: 9.5 GB free hard disk space
Other: Keyboard, mouse, DirectX8.1 (included with install disc),
CD-ROM drive (used only when installing)

*For PlayOnline/FINAL FANTASY XI: Ultimate Collection, Vana'diel Collection(s), Aht Urhgan, and Wings of the Goddess, a DVD-ROM drive is necessary for installation.

Just how old is your system? Other than the CPU/memory needs, the most critical part is the video card...compliant cards were common on the market as far back as 2003, earlier for the enthusiast that wanted the latest/greatest (DX 8.1 came out in 2001). Chances are, if you got a decent PC post 2003 (laptops are bit slower to adopt higher grade vid cards at reasonable prices), you can play FFXI on it. Worst case scenario, you might need to slap a $30 video card in it.

Even this $160 "dinosaur" (http://3btech.net/hpcodcsmfofa1.html) (by todays standards) should be able to run it out of the box. I've seen core systems in the past as low as $99 with the hardware to run this game. Here's another gem for $105 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883157335) from Newegg. This was on the market back around 2005 (http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/workstations/72888/hp-dc5100-sff-pw187et) for around the $1000 mark or less, and can now be found refurbished as low as $60.

[Zerich]

Wheres your proof for this?? Moreover, if such a poll does exist I didn't see it or participate in it, which leads me to my next statement "that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them."

you have no one to blame but yourself for your ignorance to a survey that was ADVERTISED ON THE GAME asking about client usage.

everyone's over multi-post trolling.

also: i didn't know lite-brites had a browser now.

[Reiterpallasch]

Just how old is your system? Other than the CPU/memory needs, the most critical part is the video card...
My wifes old PC (roughly 4 years old), didn't even have a video card, it used onboard graphics which are absolute total dog crap and it still ran the game relatively well (and still looked better than a PS2).

[FrankReynolds]

SO let me get this straight...

PS2 players can afford PS3 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1425253&SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&cm_mmc_o=VRqCjC7BBTkwCjCECjCE), but not a decent computer (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883157339)?

[Randwolf]

Wheres your proof for this?? Moreover, if such a poll does exist I didn't see it or participate in it, which leads me to my next statement "that alot of people who play this game do not read these forums, and alot of people who read these forums do not post in them."


I saw this notification but I didn't participate in it, if they would've came out and said the data from this poll will determine how we support compatibility with other platforms, I would've participated in it. Moreover, whats the outcome of that poll? Do you have the tally?

And, I have all 3 systems. I had a feeling of what was coming because of all the "Completely ditch PS2, please" talk on this and other forums. I purposely answered "PC" in the hopes they would stop supporting PS2 altogether. I'm tired of content being held back by an outdated system. I'm just pissed they didn't drop it in Japan, also. Then we could all move on.

[Shewp]

Eventually Square Enix will have to choose between continuing FFXI or stop supporting the PS2. 5-10 years from now FFXI can still be chugging along, but do you honestly expect it to support the ps2 when gamers will have a PS4 in their homes?

IMHO the solution is simple: offer FFXI as downloadable content through the playstation network and let it work on the PS4. Then give all the PS2 players a free copy of FFXI for the pc, 360, or PS4 (they get to choose).

The argument for the continuation of the PS2 becomes more and more outrageous as time goes on.

[Cljader1]

you have no one to blame but yourself for your ignorance to a survey that was ADVERTISED ON THE GAME asking about client usage.

everyone's over multi-post trolling.

also: i didn't know lite-brites had a browser now.

Why do you even post in this thread? I thought the OP told you to keep your ass out

[Cljader1]

Eventually Square Enix will have to choose between continuing FFXI or stop supporting the PS2. 5-10 years from now FFXI can still be chugging along, but do you honestly expect it to support the ps2 when gamers will have a PS4 in their homes?

IMHO the solution is simple: offer FFXI as downloadable content through the playstation network and let it work on the PS4. Then give all the PS2 players a free copy of FFXI for the pc, 360, or PS4 (they get to choose).

The argument for the continuation of the PS2 becomes more and more outrageous as time goes on.

No I dont, BUT I do expect them to support the game on current and future playstations consoles. If they are launching ffxiv on ps3 it makes no sense why they cant support ffxi on ps3.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

No I dont, BUT I do expect them to support the game on current and future playstations consoles. If they are launching ffxiv on ps3 it makes no sense why they cant support ffxi on ps3.

Even though it's getting harder and harder to support previous consoles, heck computers too (I'd love you to name me a game that worked on 98 that still works perfectly on Windows 8) with NEWER software/Hardware.

The PS4 is already likely to not support PSOne and PS2 games.

XIV is being built around PS3, or more likely by the time it comes out on the PS3, PS4. XI was not.



Why do you even post in this thread? I thought the OP told you to keep your ass out

I don't believe you'll find the OP has that power.

[Cljader1]

I don't believe you'll find the OP has that power.

I dont know anyone who has the power to keep trolls out, although SE havent said anything officially about not supporting ps2 any longer, its definitely a concern. In the trailer for the new expansion it said for pc and 360 and made no mention of ps2, but we'll see what happens there still alot of space left on the hdd.

[Chilloa]

I dont know anyone who has the power to keep trolls out, although SE havent said anything officially about not supporting ps2 any longer, its definitely a concern. In the trailer for the new expansion it said for pc and 360 and made no mention of ps2, but we'll see what happens there still alot of space left on the hdd.

*facepalm* Feel free to join us in 2012 when you decide to ditch the PS2.


Greetings,

I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.

[Cljader1]

*facepalm* Feel free to join us in 2012 when you decide to ditch the PS2.

Umm 2013 you mean.

[Chilloa]

Umm 2013 you mean.

I don't know about you, but where I live it's 2012. You don't need to wait for a new expansion to drop the PS2.

[Cljader1]

I don't know about you, but where I live it's 2012. You don't need to wait for a new expansion to drop the PS2.

Umm good sir, the game is still the same right now, there's no need to change.

[Arcon]

Umm good sir, the game is still the same right now, there's no need to change.

There was no need to invent cars, you have to perfectly good feet to walk across the country. Personally I'd still choose the car though. Have fun walking.

[Cljader1]

There was no need to invent cars, you have to perfectly good feet to walk across the country. Personally I'd still choose the car though. Have fun walking.

And I guess you mean TWO right?

[Arcon]

And I guess your mean TWO right?

No, I meant to. And you seem to agree with what I'm saying, as a typo was the only thing you found to correct.

[Cljader1]

No, I meant to. And you seem to agree with what I'm saying, as a typo was the only thing you found to correct.

I don't know what your trying to say, your post doesn't make sense.

[Zerich]

I don't know what your trying to say, your post doesn't make sense.

You're embarrassing and trying too hard.

[Arcon]

I don't know what your trying to say [..]

Not surprised. The point was that you saying "there's no need to change" is pointless, because change is never needed, however it's almost always wanted.

[Cljader1]

Not surprised. The point was that you saying "there's no need to change" is pointless, because change is never needed, however it's almost always wanted.

Uhh...huh?? Is that what you comprehend from my post, Lord you must be touched..

[Cljader1]

You're embarrassing and trying too hard.

Good I glad you're embarrassed for me for wanting the new expansion available on ps2 or ffxi available for ps3, I'll make a note of that embarrassment you have.

[Zerich]

Good I glad you're embarrassed for me for wanting the new expansion available on ps2 or ffxi available for ps3, I'll make a note of that embarrassment you have.

i'm embarrassed for you trolling too hard. or if you aren't trolling, for being so terrible.

[Cljader1]

i'm embarrassed for you trolling too hard. or if you aren't trolling, for being so terrible.

Ok, whatever you say buddy, you can go away now.

[Arcon]

Ok, whatever you say buddy, you can go away now.

Everything you say is, much like this entire thread, pointless, because the decision has been made. You, least of all, have the right to tell anyone to go away.

[Demon6324236]

I dont know anyone who has the power to keep trolls out, although SE havent said anything officially about not supporting ps2 any longer, its definitely a concern. In the trailer for the new expansion it said for pc and 360 and made no mention of ps2, but we'll see what happens there still alot of space left on the hdd.

The space on the HDD for Japan is for the expansion, likely some of the space will be used on the NA side for the new items it will adding people will have that you cant get. NA PS2 apparently doesn't have enough reason for them to continue with it. I am sure SE knows how many people actually play on the PS2 in NA, and knows how many people they are limiting. The fact they are losing sales for that choice I am also sure that they are doing it because there are a small number of those people.

I understand you want it on PS2, but you wont admit its an old console, and chances are it will not be on PS3 till it drops PS2. If they ever add PS3 or redo this games graphics that will probably happen at the same time and thats why PS2 would be dropped by then. Just admit its a 12 year old console, one of the greatest consoles ever made, but its time is up, this is thing in NA that has any relevance and is updated. It should be time that FFXI moves on and stops carrying the dead weight with it. I would love them to add PS3, it makes sense but till then you will need to accept this change, and move on.

[Verytus]

Hello folks,

I've been looking through the thread, and like so many others, lots of good opinions and passion for the game are degenerating into personal attacks. I think there is some great back and forth going on here, but if personal attacks continue to be a problem, I will have to lock this thread. If you wish to attack a person's argument without being insulting, that's alright, but there is no need to attack the person themselves as we are all entitled to our opinions.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation in keeping this thread civil and on-topic.

[RAIST]

I think the bulk of the problem is that Cjader1 doesn't grasp the concept that SONY will eventually stop making PS2 for the US. As they have stated several times since 2010---they will continue producing them for regions where they can reasonably do so for a profit. The only firm date they have given is thorugh 2015--whether that will continue as a global policy or restricted to specific regions remains to be seen. As it is now, NEW PS2's are only available from a short list of retailers in the US. It's just a matter of time before they are dropped from the retail shelves to make room for newer products.

That is what happens in markets.....out with the old, in with the new. Think about it. How many CRT based TV's are on the shelves compared to newer technology (LCD, LED, Plasma...)? Analog Camcorders...Computers based on CPU's older than a Core2...how many do you see NEW on the shelves? The MARKETS have dictated what is wanted, and thus dictate what is produced. If you find some of these older products in NEW condition, usually it's one model stuck in a corner, sticking around just for legacy users or they simply haven't sold out of their inventory--but the vast majority of items on the shelf is based on the newer technology for a reason---the markets demanded it.

Such is the case with future FFXI content. The MARKETS have shown that PS2 is on it's way out the door for the NA region's FFXI clients, and so SE has made the business decision to follow that market trend.

[Cljader1]

Hello folks,

I've been looking through the thread, and like so many others, lots of good opinions and passion for the game are degenerating into personal attacks. I think there is some great back and forth going on here, but if personal attacks continue to be a problem, I will have to lock this thread. If you wish to attack a person's argument without being insulting, that's alright, but there is no need to attack the person themselves as we are all entitled to our opinions.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation in keeping this thread civil and on-topic.

Hello Verytus, is there any insight as to what SE plans to do with ps2 as it relates to ffxi? And will SE ever put ffxi on the ps3 console?

[Cljader1]

I think the bulk of the problem is that Cjader1 doesn't grasp the concept that SONY will eventually stop making PS2 for the US. As they have stated several times since 2010---they will continue producing them for regions where they can reasonably do so for a profit. The only firm date they have given is thorugh 2015--whether that will continue as a global policy or restricted to specific regions remains to be seen. As it is now, NEW PS2's are only available from a short list of retailers in the US. It's just a matter of time before they are dropped from the retail shelves to make room for newer products.

That is what happens in markets.....out with the old, in with the new. Think about it. How many CRT based TV's are on the shelves compared to newer technology (LCD, LED, Plasma...)? Analog Camcorders...Computers based on CPU's older than a Core2...how many do you see NEW on the shelves? The MARKETS have dictated what is wanted, and thus dictate what is produced. If you find some of these older products in NEW condition, usually it's one model stuck in a corner, sticking around just for legacy users or they simply haven't sold out of their inventory--but the vast majority of items on the shelf is based on the newer technology for a reason---the markets demanded it.

Such is the case with future FFXI content. The MARKETS have shown that PS2 is on it's way out the door for the NA region's FFXI clients, and so SE has made the business decision to follow that market trend.

I can see your point, but why not make the transition for ffxi to exist on ps3. Or why dont SE just tell it straight to ps2 users, no one like having the rug pulled from under there feet. SE should give us an official statement on whats going on with ps2. This will allow ps2 users to know where SE stands and we can make our choice accordingly.

[Arcon]

Hello Verytus, is there any insight as to what SE plans to do with ps2 as it relates to ffxi? And will SE ever put ffxi on the ps3 console?

Both these questions were answered, specifically. They planned to keep supporting the PS2, but not add content to it outside of Japan. They also said, more than once, that they weren't gonna release it on the PS3.

[Randwolf]

Hello Verytus, is there any insight as to what SE plans to do with ps2 as it relates to ffxi? And will SE ever put ffxi on the ps3 console?

Verytus is simply the gods' minion. You would need to speak to the gods themselves for that answer.

[Teraniku]

Hello Verytus, is there any insight as to what SE plans to do with ps2 as it relates to ffxi? And will SE ever put ffxi on the ps3 console?

1. they will continue to support the PS2. (They've stated this multiple times) (Just no Expansion for NA market)
2. PS3 version? I would say no, because the PS4 will be announced either next year or 2014 at the latest. You'd just be trading 1 outdated system for another.

[Cljader1]

1. they will continue to support the PS2. (They've stated this multiple times) (Just no Expansion for NA market)
2. PS3 version? I would say no, because the PS4 will be announced either next year or 2014 at the latest. You'd just be trading 1 outdated system for another.

I believe I directed that question to Verytus, reason being is to see if he have any new information on the issue. However ffxi already exist on 360 which is a much older console than ps3 and ps4 will not be launch in awhile, for all we know it could have several push backs or launch delays.

[Demon6324236]

I believe I directed that question to Verytus, reason being is to see if he have any new information on the issue. However ffxi already exist on 360 which is a much older console than ps3 and ps4 will not be launch in awhile, for all we know it could have several push backs or launch delays.

Veryrus = GM
GM = Forum god
Rep = Person who talks to devs about whats happening

You need to ask reps for that form of question, not GMs. I doubt GMs know much more than we do honestly.

[Chrisstreb]

the 360 is about 1 year older than the PS3, you could even say maybe a few months at that tops.

Also a lot of the 360 users will tell you that the version on the 360 isn't anywhere near as good as PC (or even in some cases PS2)

[Cljader1]

Veryrus = GM
GM = Forum god
Rep = Person who talks to devs about whats happening

You need to ask reps for that form of question, not GMs. I doubt GMs know much more than we do honestly.

Well hopefully Veryrus can pass this information to a rep so they can give ps2 users the latest information on this issue. I would like to know where they stand on the ps2 issue, because it would be exceedingly unfair to have the new expansion available for ps2 in japan and not supported or available for ps2 in NA.

[Demon6324236]

Well hopefully Veryrus can pass this information to a rep so they can give ps2 users the latest information on this issue. I would like to know where they stand on the ps2 issue, because it would be exceedingly unfair to have the new expansion available for ps2 in japan and not supported or available for ps2 in NA.

No offense but like I have said before SE is not a company you should look at for being fair to NA on games. Almost every game made for PS2 by Square Enix has had more content in Japan than in NA. Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy XII, Star Ocean, many others are much the same, and thats why this doesn't surprise me. I hope they are fair about it, I have no problems with them putting it on the PS2 for NA, but I am simply trying to help you understand why they probably wont be.

[Chilloa]

Well hopefully Veryrus can pass this information to a rep so they can give ps2 users the latest information on this issue. I would like to know where they stand on the ps2 issue, because it would be exceedingly unfair to have the new expansion available for ps2 in japan and not supported or available for ps2 in NA.

I'm gonna go ahead and say you're desperately trying to troll. I pointed out earlier SEs stand on SoA being ported to PS2 in NA. But just in case you were too busy pointing out spelling errors, or what year it is, here it is again.



Greetings,
I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.

[FrankReynolds]

First of all, the 360 version came out 6 years ago, on what was basically a new (read as: not soon to be replaced) system. Porting the game to a system (PS3) that is probably going to be replaced by a newer system (PS4) before they even finish porting it doesn't make any sense.

Second, I understand why users who already have a PS3/4 would want them to port it over, but I have absolutely no idea what that has to do with PS2 players. Why would you want them to port it to a console that will cost you $400+ to purchase, when you could get a PC (Which you probably already own) that plays the game better for cheaper?

Edit: on a side note, I played for several years on PS2 and 360 and with the exception of the minor growing pains I went through in getting my 360 wireless controller to work on my PC correctly, I find the PC experience to be better in every way.

/em goes to harass Microsoft Some more about making a driver that works with FFXI correctly so that I don't have to use these unsigned JP drivers any more.

[RAIST]

Please... just drop the PS3 port debate. This was asked and answered by SE back when they announced FF14. Can't remember it exactly, but you may find it out there translated on one of the blogs at E3 or something (think it was 2009?).

Basically, the panel explained when they explored the prospect of bringing an MMO to the PS3, they wanted to make it the best they could, in comparison to the current market. Note the key point there....the best compared to everyone else at the time. This was nearly a DECADE after FFXI's development started---the genre had a LOT more expected of games now. They decided it would be best to develop a NEW GAME, with new mechanics, new features---in general, a new way of doing things to compete with what was considered the new norm in the genre.

Porting FFXI, even with a complete new graphics engine, would NOT accomplish this goal. So, they decided to make a new game for the PS3 . They have made it quite clear multiple times that they were committed to investing the resources into a NEW GAME for the PS3 console instead of trying to rehash FFXI into a v2.0 launch just for the PS3

Just think of the mess that would have created in 2010. SE announces a new FFXI that (due to hardware constraints) could ONLY be played on the PS3, PC, and XB360, and that PS2 support would completely end soon. Even if they extended PS2 support for like 1 year after FFXI v2.0 launches, you would have a crapstorm of kickback from these die-hard PS2 users because they would have to buy a new platform to play on....wait....isn't that what's going on now? Well except that they can STILL PLAY ON THE PS2 (just not SoA outside JP client)....

Seems like either way, PS2 users would eventually get kicked to the curb in some fashion, as the console ages and is eventually phased out of the market itself. At least this way, you still have the option of continuing to play the older 10 years worth of content on your beloved PS2.

Be thankful for that at least....it could be MUCH worse.

[Cljader1]

I'm gonna go ahead and say you're desperately trying to troll. I pointed out earlier SEs stand on SoA being ported to PS2 in NA. But just in case you were too busy pointing out spelling errors, or what year it is, here it is again.

I would say that this constitutes as a Flame, and the GM would take care of you for this

[Zerich]

I would say that this constitutes as a Flame, and the GM would take care of you for this

With all this effort on your computer, you could be installing the game...

[Cljader1]

Basically, the panel explained when they explored the prospect of bringing an MMO to the PS3, they wanted to make it the best they could, in comparison to the current market. Note the key point there....the best compared to everyone else at the time. This was nearly a DECADE after FFXI's development started---the genre had a LOT more expected of games now. They decided it would be best to develop a NEW GAME, with new mechanics, new features---in general, a new way of doing things to compete with what was considered the new norm in the genre.

Porting FFXI, even with a complete new graphics engine, would NOT accomplish this goal. So, they decided to make a new game for the PS3 . They have made it quite clear multiple times that they were committed to investing the resources into a NEW GAME for the PS3 console instead of trying to rehash FFXI into a v2.0 launch just for the PS3

Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

FFIV is a brilliant game, you can't expect FFXIV to be as tuned as FFXI as it hasn't been out 10 years to tune itself out, not that I'd call FFXI that anyway.

That said, they will do ANYTHING to make FFXIV popular for a few reasons.

1. They paid a fortune for it.
2. It has MUCH more room to grow.
3. It isn't 10 years old and dying.

[Cljader1]

FFIV is a brilliant game, you can't expect FFXIV to be as tuned as FFXI as it hasn't been out 10 years to tune itself out, not that I'd call FFXI that anyway.

That said, they will do ANYTHING to make FFXIV popular for a few reasons.

1. They paid a fortune for it.
2. It has MUCH more room to grow.
3. It isn't 10 years old and dying.

Are you sure its good, I have a couple of LS members come back after playing ffxiv for over a year. I asked them "Why you come back" and they told me they finished all the content in ffxiv and that ffxi is a better MMO and more challenging. No doubt ffxiv looks pretty and I'm thankful is going to launch on ps3, but I do hope SE revisit their stance on ffxi for ps3. A lot of people, like me, don't like pc gaming and furthermore don't want to chuck out the bucks for a 360 just to get one game. It would be worth SE time too launch ffxi on ps3 alot of people would buy it especially all the current ps2 users

[Apie]

Yes

(Put it on disc though, I want to read the manual for the PS2 new expansion while using the bathroom. ;) )

Cljader1, FFXIV of 1 year ago wasn't really good, but the FFXIV of today (and for the last 8-9 months) is beyond awesome. Don't listen to those that started playing and quit before all the recent changes, their opinions are no long valid because the game they remember doesn't exist anymore. These aren't minor changes, the entire battle system was reworked and there has been a ton of content added, so much that nobody can make the claim that they have done it all. The achievement system has expanded the amount of things to do to the point that some of the achievements won't be accomplished by anyone before 2.0.

If your friends say they accomplished all the content in FFXIV, they are lying to you. Do they have all the relic weapons and every achievement? I doubt they have the 500K seals achievement (I don't think anyone has that yet) and the ridiculous gil achievements. I seriously doubt they did these things in FFXIV, and that's just the hard stuff, there are countless of other things to do and there is new content released frequently so people always have stuff to works towards. I play both and I can tell you that I have MUCH more fun in FFXIV, cause it's doesn't waste time like FFXI does (camping NMs with horrible pop times and horrible drop rates, it becomes unfun the second you have to wait hours for something, only to have it claimed by someone else or, most likely, the drop never dropping. Not to mention finding parties to do anything that isn't new or recently revamped is the biggest waste of time. Since there's so much to do in FFXI, there really shouldn't be sooo many time wasters, that's where FFXIV wins and FFXI fails.)

[FrankReynolds]

Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

I hate PC gaming too. You can get controllers that are exactly the same lay out as PS2, or even get a connector to actually use the PS2 controller on the computer. I don't like playing anything with a mouse and keyboard so I don't use the keyboard for anything but chat in game. I control everything with my 360 controller. It is just like playing on the console, only with better graphics.

[RAIST]

Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

Obviously, you dind't get the point.

SE has made it clear they have no desire to port the decade old FFXI to the PS3. They want FFXIV to be the MMO title built specifically for that platform. They are NOT going to invest in a re-write for FFXI for the PS3. They didn't even do that for the XB360--at it's core, it's the same game across all three platforms, only different versions of the wrapper (ie, POL client) specific to the platform.

To make FFXI run on the PS3, currently all that is needed is compliant emulation--so, technically it can already run on the PS3 and SE does not feel it is worthy of a rewrite for a whole new shell to run it on the PS3, as there is already a means to do it.

Edit:
And as Frank said...PC gaming or console gaming....the experience is more or less the same when it comes to FFXI, with the exception of better quality graphics (and soon, more up to date UI features). I have played FFXI on my PC with a PS2 controller since day one. There are even PC controllers that emulate PS2 (Logitech, MadCats, several companies have them).

Edit2:
And again.. you keep coming back to your PC not being built for gaming. Just what exactly about your PC is holding you back from being able to play FFXI? You keep saying that, yet you have yet to state this specifically. It doesn't take a gaming rig to run FFXI. Intel Graphics have been able to run FFXI for almost 8 years now. It can run on netbook ffs....most any an APU system from the past 4 years or so can run it. My IBM laptop (an office machine, mind you, built solely to demo mock websites and apps on it) would be able to run it if I only had a better ATI card in it. If I still had access to the office's docking station, I could drop in one of my old PCI cards and run the game--it meets all the specs except for proper hardware TNL support.

FFXI will run on a PENTIUM III System. We are talking about technology that was in the mainstream BEFORE FFXI was released for PC (P3-800 MHz were released in 1999). So, again....just what is it about your system that prevents it from being capable of running FFXI?

[Cljader1]

Obviously, you dind't get the point.

SE has made it clear they have no desire to port the decade old FFXI to the PS3. They want FFXIV to be the MMO title built specifically for that platform. They are NOT going to invest in a re-write for FFXI for the PS3. They didn't even do that for the XB360--at it's core, it's the same game across all three platforms, only different versions of the wrapper (ie, POL client) specific to the platform.

To make FFXI run on the PS3, currently all that is needed is compliant emulation--so, technically it can already run on the PS3 and SE does not feel it is worthy of a rewrite for a whole new shell to run it on the PS3, as there is already a means to do it.

Edit:
And as Frank said...PC gaming or console gaming....the experience is more or less the same when it comes to FFXI, with the exception of better quality graphics (and soon, more up to date UI features). I have played FFXI on my PC with a PS2 controller since day one. There are even PC controllers that emulate PS2 (Logitech, MadCats, several companies have them).

Edit2:
And again.. you keep coming back to your PC not being built for gaming. Just what exactly about your PC is holding you back from being able to play FFXI? You keep saying that, yet you have yet to state this specifically. It doesn't take a gaming rig to run FFXI. Intel Graphics have been able to run FFXI for almost 8 years now. It can run on netbook ffs....most any an APU system from the past 4 years or so can run it. My IBM laptop (an office machine, mind you, built solely to demo mock websites and apps on it) would be able to run it if I only had a better ATI card in it. If I still had access to the office's docking station, I could drop in one of my old PCI cards and run the game--it meets all the specs except for proper hardware TNL support.

FFXI will run on a PENTIUM III System. We are talking about technology that was in the mainstream BEFORE FFXI was released for PC (P3-800 MHz were released in 1999). So, again....just what is it about your system that prevents it from being capable of running FFXI?

I already told you games don't play well on my comp, incredible lags, freezes, slow frame transitions; it nice that you get your games to play with all those factors involved. But unlike you I didn't buy my cpu for gaming, I do not like pc gaming, having a controller that emulate ps2 is nice and I do know about them, I much rather have an option to play ffxi on ps3 or have SE support new content on ps2 in NA. Its really stupid to support new content for ps2 in Japan and not support new content for ps2 in NA, for God sakes ps2 is a NA system so how is it only getting support for new content in Japan??

[FrankReynolds]

I already told you games don't play well on my comp, incredible lags, freezes, slow frame transitions; it nice that you get your games to play with all those factors involved. But unlike you I didn't my cpu for gaming, I do not like pc gaming, having a controller that emulate ps2 is nice and I do know about them, I much rather have an option to play ffxi on ps3 or have SE support new content on ps2 in NA. Its really stupid to support new content for ps2 in Japan and not support new content for ps2 in NA, for God sakes ps2 is a NA system so how is it only getting support for new content in Japan??

Say what???

[Reiterpallasch]

I already told you games don't play well on my comp, incredible lags, freezes, slow frame transitions; it nice that you get your games to play with all those factors involved. But unlike you I didn't my cpu for gaming, I do not like pc gaming, having a controller that emulate ps2 is nice and I do know about them, I much rather have an option to play ffxi on ps3 or have SE support new content on ps2 in NA.
And we keep asking wtf you're using that can't handle a 10 year old game, yet you still have no response other than "it can't play it". So again, how bout those PC specs to back up your claims that you can't run it on the PC?


Its really stupid to support new content for ps2 in Japan and not support new content for ps2 in NA, for God sakes ps2 is a NA system so how is it only getting support for new content in Japan??
No it's not.

[Cljader1]

And we keep asking wtf you're using that can't handle a 10 year old game, yet you still have no response other than "it can't play it". So again, how bout those PC specs to back up your claims that you can't run it on the PC?

It really doesn't even matter what I'm using, because pc gaming is not enjoyable to me. I have a toshiba laptop with a AMD Sempron processor, had it for about 2 years and it has gotten considerably slower probably due to past programming problems and infections. However, I brought a low power cpu for browsing and that is only what I use it for.

[Demon6324236]

PS2... a NA system?
Sony (http://www.sony.com/index.php) makers of PS2 (http://us.playstation.com/ps2/) is a company based in Japan as you can see in this link where it says "Headquarters"... (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/CorporateInfo/)

[Demon6324236]

It really doesn't even matter what I'm using, because pc gaming is not enjoyable to me. I have a toshiba laptop with a AMD Sempron processor, had it for about 2 years and it has gotten considerably slower probably due to past programming problems and infections. However, I brought a low power cpu for browsing and that is only what I use it for.

There are methods to display your PC's screen onto your TV, same as it would be for PS2. There are methods to attach a PS2 controller to a PC, same as it would be on PS2. This alone, completely voids any reason you would not like PC gaming.

[Cljader1]

No it's not.

If ps2 is not a NA system, then I stand corrected.

[Zerich]

If ps2 is not a NA system, then I stand corrected.

Sony is a Japanese company.
The Playstation 2 was made and owned by Sony.
You are corrected.

[RAIST]

It really doesn't even matter what I'm using, because pc gaming is not enjoyable to me. I have a toshiba laptop with a AMD Sempron processor, had it for about 2 years and it has gotten considerably slower probably due to past programming problems and infections. However, I brought a low power cpu for browsing and that is only what I use it for.

FYI, I played this game for almost 2 years on a Sempron.....just saying...

Edit:
Best I can remember, it was 2GHz Barton (2004), think it was an Asus A7N8 board... with ATI 9600 AIW Pro (2003 with built-in Video capture, cable card, 800/600 video out...was a sweet card), 4 x 1GB memory.... and an X1900 Pro series (2006)--both ran the game near flawlessly at 1024/768. Installed it with the AIW, then flipped it to eht x1900 for better overclocking for other games. I later went back to Intel based systems again. I may still have the board and processor stashed in the closet---think it was what I was going to rebuild my daughter's PC with, but she opted for a laptop instead.

I've run this game on Celemines, Core2D, Thunderbird/Sempron, and now a Core2 Duo. As already stated...it does NOT take a gaming machine to run it....otherwise people would not have reported getting it to run on a NETBOOK.

[Cljader1]

New expansion still need to be made available on ps2 there space on the hdd, if SE is worried about the shelf space at the local gamestop, then make the ps2 expansion disc purchasable through internet only. Ps2 users can purchase the disk online and then the problems solved.

[Zerich]

New expansion still need to be made available on ps2 there space on the hdd, if SE is worried about the shelf space at the local gamestop, then make the ps2 expansion disc purchasable through internet only. Ps2 users can purchase the disk online and then the problems solved.

<<That's too bad.>>

[RAIST]

New expansion still need to be made available on ps2 there space on the hdd, if SE is worried about the shelf space at the local gamestop, then make the ps2 expansion disc purchasable through internet only. Ps2 users can purchase the disk online and then the problems solved.

They probably don't want to pay to stamp out thousands of discs that aren't likely to sell....it's basic economics.

[Chilloa]

New expansion still need to be made available on ps2 there space on the hdd, if SE is worried about the shelf space at the local gamestop, then make the ps2 expansion disc purchasable through internet only. Ps2 users can purchase the disk online and then the problems solved.

Those PS2 users would need a computer to do that. And you know, they would have to be able to at least run Internet Explorer. But not everyone builds a computer to run Internet Explorer. Shoot.

[Cljader1]

Those PS2 users would need a computer to do that. And you know, they would have to be able to at least run Internet Explorer. But not everyone builds a computer to run Internet Explorer. Shoot.

Huh, what are you talking about?

[RAIST]

Huh, what are you talking about?

The typical internet shopper has a PC/laptop to use. Did you seriously not get that?

[Teraniku]

New expansion still need to be made available on ps2 there space on the hdd, if SE is worried about the shelf space at the local gamestop, then make the ps2 expansion disc purchasable through internet only. Ps2 users can purchase the disk online and then the problems solved.

It's not shelf space they are worried about. It's the actual costs involved for making the expansion for NA PS2 users. Any manufacturer that would print the NA discs for PS2 would require a minimum amount of discs to be printed. This is usually in the area of 3,000 to 5,000 discs. Then they have to be distributed etc. I would gather that there are less than 3,000 people who play exclusively on PS2 in the NA region. It doesn't make sense to print 3-5k copies when your only going to sell 1k if they are lucky at most. It just isn't cost effective.

[Chrisstreb]

You wanna know whose to blame for that? Consumers in the NA market. PS2 is an obsolete system. Most (if not all) retailers do not even carry PS2s and/or PS2 games anymore. Its sound reason that a PS2 version of Seekers for Retail Stores wouldn't last more than a week on their shelves seeing as newer games on newer consoles (your CoDs, Lego XXXXXXX Series, Maddens etc) would sell better and for much more. Plus you have to factor in the costs to make the retail discs and ship them out. Stores like Gamestop wont carry SoA for the PS2 as its not cost-effective. They dont really even sell 'NEW' PS2 games anymore. I can understand SEs logic to not release a PS2 version over here. It wouldn't sell. Simple as that. Doesn't take a major in Economics to figure that out. There are other (sometimes better) platforms in which to play XI on these days, and considering the Poll SE did (I believe) last year, most users over in NA and EU play either on PC or the 360

[Laraul]

Well this whole PS2 expansion issue has finally done one thing. Ended the whole "PS2 limitations" argument.

Most Asian players have migrated away from the PS2 to the PC or the 360 for this game. The PS2 is in all likely hood not anymore commonly used in Japan when playing this game than outside. I see the announcement of the PS2 Japanese release more as a formality than anything myself.

[Zerich]

Most Asian players have migrated away from the PS2 to the PC or the 360 for this game. The PS2 is in all likely hood not anymore commonly used in Japan when playing this game than outside. I see the announcement of the PS2 Japanese release more as a formality than anything myself.

Any proof, or are you just posting baseless facts?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Well this whole PS2 expansion issue has finally done one thing. Ended the whole "PS2 limitations" argument.

Most Asian players have migrated away from the PS2 to the PC or the 360 for this game. The PS2 is in all likely hood not anymore commonly used in Japan when playing this game than outside. I see the announcement of the PS2 Japanese release more as a formality than anything myself.

Actually, most Asians still play it on the PS2, it's still hugely popular there.

[Apocalypse]

well, what I see they didnt say they are dropping PS2 support.. with japan release their PS2 version more likely NA/EU will follow later on... and I still use PS2 FFXI on my PS3, its been 8 years lol.

[Demon6324236]

Hey guys!

We had the chance to ask the FFXI Team some questions on the heels of this years VanaFest 2012- You can check out the full Q&A here-
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/2012/07/25/gamer-escape-interview-post-vanafest-2012/
GE- In North America Seekers of Adoulin will not be available for the PlayStation 2. Can you tell us what lead to this decision? It seems a bit odd to increase HDD capacity for the game on the console then only release the expansion in one territory. Why not release the expansion digitally?

SE (Answered by Square Enix, Inc.)- In evaluating the North American release of the expansion across all platforms, we needed to consider multiple factors, including the number of players exclusively on the system, and the costs associated with publishing or developing a stand-alone download. Regrettably, these two factors greatly determined our final decision to support the PC and Xbox platforms exclusively. However, we remain committed to supporting FINAL FANTASY XI on the PlayStation 2 platform for the foreseeable future.
This seems to be the info regarding PS2.

[Cljader1]

This seems to be the info regarding PS2.

How often does SE actually do what they say

[Demon6324236]

Never... better than nothing though... I think :D

[Zerich]

well, what I see they didnt say they are dropping PS2 support.. with japan release their PS2 version more likely NA/EU will follow later on... and I still use PS2 FFXI on my PS3, its been 8 years lol.

Brace yourself for disappointment, then.

[oliveira]

Now I laugh from all the people who voted "Down with the PS2! Q_Q" in the survey months ago.
All they got was a master trolling from SE. ;)

Jokes aside, I knew it would happen eventually as the real reason (shops no longer stocking PS2 merchandise) was bound to happen. -_-;

[Scuro]

I'm pretty sure there is a circle of hell that is reserved for people that use PS2 to play and hinder the development of this beloved game. I'm sure its right next to the people that talk during a movie in the theaters.

[oliveira]

I'm pretty sure there is a circle of hell that is reserved for people that use PS2 to play and hinder the development of this beloved game. I'm sure its right next to the people that talk during a movie in the theaters.

I'm sure that there's plenty of room reserved there for people who desire ill things happen to others, as well.

[Reiterpallasch]

Guess he's safe then, since he never said he desired anything ill on anyone.

[oliveira]

Guess he's safe then, since he never said he desired anything ill on anyone.

Never said. But had lots of thoughts about it. Otherwise he would not bother typing that. :P

Anyway PS2 is not dropped and even if it were nothing would change. Nothing to see here I suppose.

[Yarly]

yes i play on ps2!

[Cljader1]

alot of people play on ps2