Consider rare triggers for dbox players...

[Oakrest]

Consider rare trigger drops for players who have access to a second console to play two characters at once (known as 'dual boxing' or 'dboxing', i.e. using a PC for one character, and an XBOX360 for another character; often involving both characters to achieve a single goal for one player). I'm not trying to see this "fixed" - nor do I think it's a bad thing - I actually think it's an interesting element to the game where pro players can really make some magic.

However, the immediate problem I see with dboxing is that it allows the dboxer to receive multiple rare triggers. I think they should consider removing the 'rare' property from certain triggers to make it fair for solo players to get as much of a lucrative chance at multiple rare triggers as a dboxer. For example, sky triggers like the 'Gem of the North' can drop once or twice from a single NM, but you're only ever going to get to lot the one if you're playing solo. This might have made sense in olden days (although ironically two drops from sky NM's is relatively recent), and I'm not suggesting a complete revamp of sky, just a consideration that certain trigs should have their 'rare' property removed.

The argument could be made, "well those players who 'dbox' are paying double monthly subscription fee's, and so they deserve access to that second drop because of their second subscription" and to that I'd say, fair argument - but I think players who manage multiple characters already have enough benefits (like inventory space, gardening opportunity, NM camping, etc). This is a pretty small modification.

The more compelling argument could also be made, "get a friend you bridge troll - then you can have both drops cause you're friend will give you the second when you need it". And again, I'd say fair argument - but FFXI is different now, there are a lot of players who spend at least some of their time adventuring alone - and those guys are missing out on more lucrative drops that could spice up the journey.

Also, it may be considered a problem if players begin to overly farm these triggers and stockpile them - and to be honest I don't entirely have a solution for that (at least not a simple one yet - i.e. if they could make a new rare type that would let you receive up to X number before you could receive no more, but I know it's impossible for changes like that sometimes).

It just seems to me that dropping 'rare' on select triggers would be a fair exchange to be competitive with dboxers and the game's current situation. Cheers!

[Habu]

I'm assuming you're talking about Abyssea? If that is the case, why would you want to carry more than one pop item at a time when you can only hold one KI?

[Chilloa]

I don't really see how what you want has to do with us dualboxers. You want the benefits of paying $25.90? Then pay the $25.90 like the rest of us. I'm all for them removing the rare icon from certain triggers. But you're acting like this game was built for dualboxers.

[Oakrest]

I'm assuming you're talking about Abyssea? If that is the case, why would you want to carry more than one pop item at a time when you can only hold one KI?

No, I'm not talking about Abyssea in my OP. The example i'm most interested in is sky, but I believe sea is subject to this as well (don't really do sea tbh) - maybe other classic events as well.

EDIT: However you raise a good point, except that I think this is somewhat balanced in abyssea because the KI generally requires more interaction from the second char - whereas in sky, you can just leave the second character in the zone to catch the drops. Many times I /tell a linkshell mate to zone to sky really quick just in case the NM I'm soling drops two trigs/seals. Anyways - I'm not sure, maybe you're right and abyssea is the same.

[Oakrest]

you're acting like this game was built for dualboxers.

Wrong, I'm acting like this game should be built for single-boxers, but am being practical in recognizing there are currently a ton of people who dualbox - it's just a reality, one that probably will never change. I'm simply trying to make a suggestion to balance a current opportunity available to dboxers that isn't to single boxers.

[Chilloa]

Wrong, I'm acting like this game should be built for single-boxers, but am being practical in recognizing there are currently a ton of people who dualbox - it's just a reality, one that probably will never change. I'm simply trying to make a suggestion to balance a current opportunity available to dboxers that isn't to single boxers.

I still direct you to my first statement...


I don't really see how what you want has to do with us dualboxers. You want the benefits of paying $25.90? Then pay the $25.90 like the rest of us.

[Llana_Virren]

The only benefit to dualboxers is the ability to personally control more than one character. This is the only benefit necessary or deserved. Dualboxing also requires more attention to the game than singleboxing does; to suggest that taking "Rare" off of certain items will enhance anything is ignorant: if you can collect multiple items on a single character, so can they....

[Muse]

Wrong, I'm acting like this game should be built for single-boxers, but am being practical in recognizing there are currently a ton of people who dualbox - it's just a reality, one that probably will never change. I'm simply trying to make a suggestion to balance a current opportunity available to dboxers that isn't to single boxers.

This game wasn't built for soloing. This game wasn't built for dual-boxers.

This game was built with the mindset of a party dynamics. IE: Six or more people fighting to achieve a goal.

It was the players who started soloing, duo-boxing, low-manning things. So saying that the game was meant for soloing is ignorance. This game is made for partying, so I don't see a reason for the RARE tag to removed from items. Imagine the RARE tag being removed, and you get those two pops. Pretty sweet huh? Now imagine you are in abyssea/sky/wherever.

You'll be waiting behind that ALLIANCE, PARTY, ETC even longer now as all of those people will have more then one pop guaranteed. With something like this, I could hold enough pop items until my inventory bursts and just spam pop a single NM, forcing others to have to fight for the pop spot with me. In Abyssea, this means I could spam a NM with EASE until I get the Key Items from that NM, or whatever I may be after.


EDIT: Or maybe it's arrogance, and a belief you DESERVE MORE because you soloed where as others bring another person or more. Whether it's another character they control or not isn't an issue. It's still another body to watch over.



The only benefit to dualboxers is the ability to personally control more than one character. This is the only benefit necessary or deserved. Dualboxing also requires more attention to the game than singleboxing does; to suggest that taking "Rare" off of certain items will enhance anything is ignorant: if you can collect multiple items on a single character, so can they....

I 100% agree with the statement above.

[Shadowsong]

The OP presented his arguments well, and acknowledges the counter arguments as also being valid, I dont see why this thread is attracting all the negative nancies.

[Gilraen]

I think the big point being made is, in not so gentle terms, that people with multiple accounts are paying $13+ per pop item they're using. To remove the rare tag wouldn't just give single account players more pop items but also give multiple account players more pop items, making it $13+ per stack of pop items. The situation won't change for the better.

Further, Square has no means of determining who owns what accounts outside of ownership disputes due in large part to privacy laws.

[Oakrest]

to suggest that taking "Rare" off of certain items will enhance anything is ignorant: if you can collect multiple items on a single character, so can they....

Your missing the point entirely - currently single boxers can't collect multiple rares as dual boxers can. If they make a change to balance what I'm suggesting, who cares if dualboxers can store multiple items STILL - they already can.

I guess this point is just beyond some people, or maybe it's just 'ignorance' as you suggest.


This game wasn't built for soloing. This game wasn't built for dual-boxers.

Agreed on both, but those are two completely different things. All I'm saying is the game 'should' be built for single-boxers, not dboxers.

Context is so easily driven to shit on these forums.

[Muse]

Agreed on both, but those are two completely different things. All I'm saying is the game 'should' be built for single-boxers, not dboxers.

Context is so easily driven to shit on these forums.


You are missing the point. This game SHOULD NOT be about soloing ONLY. You're still thinking you deserve more because you solo. Tough cookies, nobody cares. If you want to get more items bring more people, it has always been this way. This is a PARTY game, not a solo game. If you want to play a solo ONLY game follow these steps.

1: Leave your house
2: Go to a store
3: Buy a console
4: Buy a SINGLE PLAYER game
5: Go home and put it all together.

If you have steps 1-4 completed already go to step 6, uninstall all MMO's.

[Dazusu]

I'm simply trying to make a suggestion to balance a current opportunity available to dboxers that isn't to single boxers.

Balance? There will be no balancing here. Tanaka has left the building.

[Behemothx]

Logic fails here, whether or not you can hold more pops will directly affect dualboxers too.

[Reiterpallasch]

You are missing the point. This game SHOULD NOT be about soloing ONLY. You're still thinking you deserve more because you solo. Tough cookies, nobody cares. If you want to get more items bring more people, it has always been this way. This is a PARTY game, not a solo game. If you want to play a solo ONLY game follow these steps.

1: Leave your house
2: Go to a store
3: Buy a console
4: Buy a SINGLE PLAYER game
5: Go home and put it all together.

If you have steps 1-4 completed already go to step 6, uninstall all MMO's.
Wow, butthurt much? I take it you're a baddie that can't solo things other people can? So bad that you didn't even read his post:

All I'm saying is the game 'should' be built for single-boxers, not dboxers.
He doesn't even say solo, he says "single-boxer", as in person controlling 1 character.

[Muse]

Wow, butthurt much? I take it you're a baddie that can't solo things other people can? So bad that you didn't even read his post:

He doesn't even say solo, he says "single-boxer", as in person controlling 1 character.

I solo all the time actually, which is why I think it is stupid to think this. Also he stated earlier he solo's and wants to hold more RARE tagged drops including sky pops. Can't read much?



However, the immediate problem I see with dboxing is that it allows the dboxer to receive multiple rare triggers. I think they should consider removing the 'rare' property from certain triggers to make it fair for solo players to get as much of a lucrative chance at multiple rare triggers as a dboxer. For example, sky triggers like the 'Gem of the North' can drop once or twice from a single NM, but you're only ever going to get to lot the one if you're playing solo. This might have made sense in olden days (although ironically two drops from sky NM's is relatively recent), and I'm not suggesting a complete revamp of sky, just a consideration that certain trigs should have their 'rare' property removed.

The more compelling argument could also be made, "get a friend you bridge troll - then you can have both drops cause you're friend will give you the second when you need it". And again, I'd say fair argument - but FFXI is different now, there are a lot of players who spend at least some of their time adventuring alone - and those guys are missing out on more lucrative drops that could spice up the journey..

Because I know you missed it, I quoted it and added it above.

[Oakrest]

This is really sad - many people are still confusing soloing with single-boxing. Massive distinction, I don't think this game should ever be a solo-game, that's not what i'm implying.. if I have, please point out the thread and I will adjust/ammend a note so that future readers will better understand.

Moreover, it's sadder that I had really positive and good intentions to benefit the community with this thread - and somehow you guys think this is about me. The reality is, I dlbox already, and I benefit the hell out of Zipacna dropping me two Gem of the North that I often turn into 4 Genbu seals. 99% of sky I solo on my PLD/RDM, and keep a dbox mule (or more) on hand to get the addititional rare drop. I spotted the apparent opprtunity to improve [read: balance] this for single-boxers, and obviously the community just doesn't want this game to improve. That's going to work out great, because SE generally doesn't want it to either based on their recent track record.

Enjoy, you wont see me back in this thread :) On to other more meaningful battles!

[Reiterpallasch]

Because I know you missed it, I quoted it and added it above.
Or because YOU missed it?

The reality is, I dlbox already, and I benefit the hell out of Zipacna dropping me two Gem of the North that I often turn into 4 Genbu seals

Seriously, how the fuck do people like you (Muse) know how to post on these forums, let alone remember to breath?

He didn't even say all triggers, just some. Do you know that some NMs can actually drop two of them? His idea would change those, and no, contrary to what you think, sky wouldn't suddenly be packed with people forcing you to wait your turn. See luls below:


This game is made for partying, so I don't see a reason for the RARE tag to removed from items. Imagine the RARE tag being removed, and you get those two pops. Pretty sweet huh? Now imagine you are in abyssea/sky/wherever.

You'll be waiting behind that ALLIANCE, PARTY, ETC even longer now as all of those people will have more then one pop guaranteed. With something like this, I could hold enough pop items until my inventory bursts and just spam pop a single NM, forcing others to have to fight for the pop spot with me.

[Llana_Virren]

He didn't even say all triggers, just some. Do you know that some NMs can actually drop two of them? His idea would change those, and no, contrary to what you think, sky wouldn't suddenly be packed with people forcing you to wait your turn. See luls below:

The logic in his argument, however, is not limited just to the sky drops that he was discussing. "Some" would undoubtedly turn into "more" because after a short while, you'd see similar posts arguing "If xxx pot item isn't rare, why is yyy?!"

His argument is flawed based on the reasoning he's using, and that won't change no matter how poorly or well you two argue semantics.