JP "bonanza" compared to the NA/EU

[Habu]

So is there any reason why the JP bonanza is rewarding the JP rank 1 WINNERS (that's right winners more than one it seems) 99 relic/empy/mythic WITH afterglow, while NA/EU get one winner with the level 90 version?

Sorry if this has been posted somewhere else.

[Zyla420]

cause SE favors their JP playerbase more than the do the rest of their customers, it's not just this, the evidence has be brought to light for years. there are several in game items that were acquired in japan only at conventions/contests and the like.

[Vivik]

Way to go SE. Way to make your NA and EU community feel alienated and less valued than your JP player base.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Because they are NOT guaranteed to even get ONE winner. Whereas NA and EU are guaranteed at least ONE Winner of Rank 1 (more for NA).

[Habu]

Do you seriously believe they wont have at least one winner in the JP contest? Please~

[Spiritreaver]

So is there any reason why the JP bonanza is rewarding the JP rank 1 WINNERS (that's right winners more than one it seems) 99 relic/empy/mythic WITH afterglow, while NA/EU get one winner with the level 90 version?

Sorry if this has been posted somewhere else.
Guess we didn't get claim on decent/fair treatment in this....

[Alpheus]

To Hatcher's point:
If the Mog Bonanza was that segment where Tanaka chose the Numbered Balls then gauging by the crowd reaction there was only a 2nd place winner. Unless I'm mistaken and the bonanza was instead that segment where they pulled those slips of paper towards the end of the 2nd day's live stream. In which case it could have possibly been a unknown number of winners. I'm more inclined to believe it was the numbered balls segment because it had 5th place showcasing 1 digit and 1st place showcasing 5 digits. The 1st digit for 1st place was a 0 so its possible no one won.
^
The above is of course assuming they even streamed the Bonanza segment, its possible they did it while the stream cut to those cool 8bit chiptune tracks

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Do you seriously believe they wont have at least one winner in the JP contest? Please~

Yes, because it's a GAMBLE, it's not a guarantee as they pick numbers RANDOMLY.

Surely you know how random works?! They're not going to go "That's the six numbers, oh no prize 1 winners, lets pick again"

[Habu]

No please tell me how random works.

[Suph]

To participate in the Nomad Mog Bonanza, you pick 1 number from 00000 to 99999, which is a 1 in 100000 chance of winning. Unless everyone that attend Vanafest collude to pick a different number, to even have a 50% chance that anyone will win rank 1 at all require about 70000 people to have attended Vanafest (0.99999^70000 = 0.49 chance of no one winning).

Do you think 70000 people attended Vanafest? Even if they did, the chance there is of anyone winning at all is 50%.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

To participate in the Nomad Mog Bonanza, you pick 1 number from 00000 to 99999, which is a 1 in 100000 chance of winning. Unless everyone that attend Vanafest collude to pick a different number, to even have a 50% chance that anyone will win rank 1 at all require about 70000 people to have attended Vanafest (0.99999^70000 = 0.49 chance of no one winning).

Do you think 70000 people attended Vanafest? Even if they did, the chance there is of anyone winning at all is 50%.

Exactly! As such the prize was of better quality compared to the NA and EU one as the probability is nobody would have got rank 1.

Whereas NA and EU it is a guaranteed winner/s.

[Mittenz]

To participate in the Nomad Mog Bonanza, you pick 1 number from 00000 to 99999, which is a 1 in 100000 chance of winning. Unless everyone that attend Vanafest collude to pick a different number, to even have a 50% chance that anyone will win rank 1 at all require about 70000 people to have attended Vanafest (0.99999^70000 = 0.49 chance of no one winning).

Do you think 70000 people attended Vanafest? Even if they did, the chance there is of anyone winning at all is 50%.

You didn't need to attend vanafest to register your number you registered it on the Japanese vanafest website much like the nomad mog bonanza years ago. You just needed a Japanese SE account to do it.

[Xaander]

I would much rather have the version that the JP players get. It wouldn't be a problem for me if the NA/ EU players and the JP players both had the Gobbie Giveaway. SE can sit there and tell me that separate but equal is fair till they are blue in the face, but I don't eat all the crap they try to feed me.

[Mostfowl]

in before lock!

since se feels these threads are attacks it goes along with my point below

recent changes in se with regards to alot of things lately have seemed almost xenophobic

[Suph]

Do you honestly believe SE would seriously create more work for themselve by holding 2 seperate events, when one would suffice? If it was possible for us to participate in the Nomad Mog Bonanza, they would have let us and save themselve a lot of work and trouble.

Beside, for me personally, i prefer the odd of winning on our side of the event. Even if the whole player base (assumming, though unlikely, that it's still 350000) participated in the Nomad Mog Bonanza, probablility still predict a 0.03 chance no one won Rank 1.

Individually, no matter how many people else participate, the chance to win Rank 1 in NMB is still 0.00001, for the GBG, unless there are 100000+ player with Unique SE Account participating, our chance are definitely better.

For Rank 2, their chance is always 0.0001, our is 250 in maybe 100000 participants (and I strongly doubts it would be that high) which is a 0.0025 chance, 25 times higher than their side.

[Arbole]

Every single time they hold a bonanza, there have been multiple winners across servers of the highest tier prize. At least that's what I've noticed whenever I participated.

[Suph]

Mog Bonanza = Each Character can buy 10 Marble, up to 160 Marble per FFXI account.

Nomad Mog Bonanza = Each SE account can pick 1 Marble

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Mog Bonanza = Each Character can buy 10 Marble, up to 160 Marble per FFXI account.

Nomad Mog Bonanza = Each SE account can pick 1 Marble

May as well bang your head against the wall, these people are doing to SE and the Japanese exactly what they claim SE is doing to the NA/EU..

[Habu]

All we're doing is asking for the same prizes. Who cares if there is one guaranteed winner for ours when the rank one prizes are far better in the JP bonanza.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

All we're doing is asking for the same prizes. Who cares if there is one guaranteed winner for ours when the rank one prizes are far better in the JP bonanza.

Well it's physically impossible, they are NOT allowed to put a gambling method in the game for NA or EU therefore they have NO way of doing it so you could win, or you couldn't. So in turn they did a way someone WILL win and adjusted the prizes to match that.

Don't like it, don't do the survey.

[Habu]

Or they could just give the same prizes? I understand this might be a hard concept to follow but please try to keep up.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Or they could just give the same prizes? I understand this might be a hard concept to follow but please try to keep up.

Or the could not.

Same Contest = Same Prize
Different Contest/Survey = Different Prizes

Do keep up.

Truth be told, they're not legally obliged to give you anything.

Doesn't matter how many times you chuck your dummy, nothing will change, it is as it is. Make do or don't participate.

[Habu]

Oh really nice logic there. I used the same logic in HNMs and you called it idiotic. Congrats on 2000 posts of uselessness.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Oh really nice logic there. I used the same logic in HNMs and you called it idiotic. Congrats on 2000 posts of uselessness.

Did I now? (PS. Don't really care)

Thank you!

[Suph]

What if they set rank 1 price to be the same, but if no JP won rank 1, they just cancel Rank 1 for Gobbie Bag Giveaway all together? That would be fair wouldn't it? They don't get an Empyrean, and neither do we.

Off Topic, from your HNM thread, your logic seems to be that the best part about going to a nice restaurant is booking it.

[Habu]

Exclusivity

[Suph]

Exclusivity and Fariness are not mutually compatible ideas. Which one are you championing again today?

The Exclusivity of providing only a selected few people with chance to fight HNM?

Or

The Unfairness that only a selected few people get to participate in the Nomad Mog Bonanza?

[Komori]

It astounds me that SE is damned if they do and damned if they don't do anything.

I wonder when everyone sitting on their couch all day playing this game will stop acting spoiled. They don't have to give you anything, they don't even need to have the event.
How about be happy if you win Rank 1 and any weapon rather than focusing on the small details. I'd rather have anything at all (without working for it) then have nothing at all.

[Habu]

Exclusivity and Fariness are not mutually compatible ideas. Which one are you championing again today?

The Exclusivity of providing only a selected few people with chance to fight HNM?

Or

The Unfairness that only a selected few people get to participate in the Nomad Mog Bonanza?

Here let me put this into something even a child could understand.

HNMs are like the special star at the end of the day that someone gets for being really good that day. While "Bonanza" is like the cookie and milk every child gets at snack time. Now let's split the classroom into half, the first half gets fresh cookies and milk, while the other half of the class gets the leftover cookies and milk from days past. Both sets of children are getting snacks while one is getting fresh cookies and the other is not. You can bet your cookie that when a parent finds out that their child is being given older cookies and milk that they will flip tables until both sides are getting fresh cookies and milk.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Here let me put this into something even a child could understand.

HNMs are like the special star at the end of the day that someone gets for being really good that day. While "Bonanza" is like the cookie and milk every child gets at snack time. Now let's split the classroom into half, the first half gets fresh cookies and milk, while the other half of the class gets the leftover cookies and milk from days past. Both sets of children are getting snacks while one is getting fresh cookies and the other is not. You can bet your cookie that when a parent finds out that their child is being given older cookies and milk that they will flip tables until both sides are getting fresh cookies and milk.

Being rude, and using crap similarities doesn't make you any less wrong.

[Habu]

Being rude, and using crap similarities doesn't make you any less wrong.

It's the only way to get across to some people, but please keep trying to insult me, you're cute.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

It's the only way to get across to some people, but please keep trying to insult me, you're cute.

I have absolutely no need to insult you, nor did I in my previous post. In fact you were the only rude one comparing things that are in no way the same.

The Bonanza is a gambling event, therefore have good prizes, the "VanaFest Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway" is not.

[Azagthoth]

The Bonanza is a gambling event, therefore have good prizes, the "VanaFest Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway" is not.

The "Nomad" Mog Bonanza isn't a gambling event either since you're not putting anything of value on the line; you're simply entering into a draw unless rules have changed since the last one.

I don't think it's unrealistic to expect a similar reward considering our odds could potentially be worse; although, they'll probably be slighty better depending on how many people enter. They should at least give us the option of the 99 weapons without the afterglow effect if not the same options.

I'm not going to blame anything on favouritism though; I don't believe that the development team has meetings about how they can screw over NA/EU players.

[Suph]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they don't either. It just not easy to come up with appropriate reward when the nature of the 2 events are different. Beside really, i think we have quite the better odds, FFXIAH list about 250,000 active characters, so probably 160000 accounts, at least half of that should be Japanese, so our chance is probably 1 in 80000. That is assumming everyone is aware of the event and enter.

And Habu your analogies fail unless the teacher give out gold star not by merits but rather holding it up in the air and have every kids in a free for all grabbing brawl for it. Not the best system to give out gold stars I believe.

And the Cookies analogies also fail, unless the teacher divided the class into 2 halves, give one sides of the class a chance to win Chocolate Milk and Chocolate Cookie to anyone that can guess the outcome of coin flips correctly 16 times in a row (2^16 = 65536, so these kids' chances are even better than the Japanese Players).

The other half will get plain Milk and Cookie for sure, and the teacher will select someone to get it.

Seriously though, Exclusivity suck when it excluded you doesn't it, Habu?

[Zumi]

The amount of people that are aware of the event and enter is a lot lower then active accounts on ffxiah. Heck I see people shout in jeuno how do you get those mog suits? A lot of people don't visit the site or read the forums so the amount of people that actually enter is probably a lot lower.

[Habu]

So now that it's all said and done, how does everyone feel about the JP getting 2 "Bonanza" like events? One at Vanafest with the grand prize being 99 with after, and the second being like the Golden Gobbie Bag with rank 1 of level 90 mythic/relic/emp.

[Trisscar]

Here let me put this into something even a child could understand.

HNMs are like the special star at the end of the day that someone gets for being really good that day.

Heh, now I understand why you keep on pushing for HNMs. It explains so much.

[Habu]

And this has to do with the current topic how?

[Zerich]

I hope they just change T1 from the level 90 weapon, to a spike flail to the face.

[Trisscar]

And this has to do with the current topic how?

You walked right into it with a fail anology and then complain it isn't the topic?

Fine, so be it.

Personally I like the current lottery compared to the former one, because Square is aware that fewer people will be entering compared to the number of actual accounts the odds are probably better for NA/EU players than JP players.

This is probably why their rewards are better than ours, and I find this acceptable.

[Habu]

Did you just completely miss the most recent post in the thread, not the ones from over two weeks ago?

There were TWO JP events that were bonanza like. One that was at Vanafest, that was like previous Bonanzas were you select 5 numbers etc etc. Then they were also given a Golden Gobbie Bag type event, like ours, to where you filled out a survey and there were x amount of winners, 1 rank one etc etc.

It's like reading is hard or something.

[Demon6324236]

Honestly its bullshit but expected as always.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Did you just completely miss the most recent post in the thread, not the ones from over two weeks ago?

There were TWO JP events that were bonanza like. One that was at Vanafest, that was like previous Bonanzas were you select 5 numbers etc etc. Then they were also given a Golden Gobbie Bag type event, like ours, to where you filled out a survey and there were x amount of winners, 1 rank one etc etc.

It's like reading is hard or something.

No there wasn't.

They had the Bonanza and We have this one, or at least it was meant to be.



The "Nomad" Mog Bonanza isn't a gambling event either since you're not putting anything of value on the line; you're simply entering into a draw unless rules have changed since the last one.

I don't think it's unrealistic to expect a similar reward considering our odds could potentially be worse; although, they'll probably be slighty better depending on how many people enter. They should at least give us the option of the 99 weapons without the afterglow effect if not the same options.

I'm not going to blame anything on favouritism though; I don't believe that the development team has meetings about how they can screw over NA/EU players.

10k Gil per marble for a CHANCE to win makes it a gambling event. Real money/items is irrelevant.

[Demon6324236]

10k Gil per marble for a CHANCE to win makes it a gambling event. Real money/items is irrelevant.

Many things in many games should be taken out then because there are a TON of games with small gambling parts such as this.

[Habu]

You're an idiot. There were two events. One for people who could attend Vanafest and the others were given a Golden Gobbie thing like us. The JP have already had their prizes distributed, thus why there are JPs players wearing the Ark Angel costumes that weren't given away at Vanafest. Their rank 1 winner was a BST on Carbuncle who took 90 mythic axe.

[Karbuncle]

There were two events for the JP Daniel, One directly at the Vanafest, and one for those who did not attend it. Kinda... Peeved, JP's already have their winners and we have to wait at least 10 more days :|

I need to know if i'm very disappointed or not!

[Demon6324236]

You're an idiot.

Stop insulting people...

[Habu]

The truth hurts sometimes.

[Demon6324236]

No reason to insult people, speak an opinion, insults only serve to discredit the rest of what you say by making you look like an ass yourself.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

There were two events for the JP Daniel, One directly at the Vanafest, and one for those who did not attend it. Kinda... Peeved, JP's already have their winners and we have to wait at least 10 more days :|

I need to know if i'm very disappointed or not!

Then SE as a company are liars, good way for a company to be.

From what I heard, the Mog Bonanza was done online as well as at VanaFest, so in that sense they are not playing fair.


The truth hurts sometimes.

If you have a problem with the way they biased'ly run their company, go to SquareEnix Accounts and click Close!

Insulting me when you so clearly chuck your dummy out your pram bothers me not.

[Zerich]

The SE as a company are liars, good way for a company to be.



If you have a problem with the way they biased'ly run their company, go to SquareEnix Accounts and click Close!

Insulting me when you so clearly chuck your dummy out your pram bothers me not.

There were 2 events. lrn2internet

[Daniel_Hatcher]

There were 2 events. lrn2internet

Either you misquoted or you just didn't read that message.



Many things in many games should be taken out then because there are a TON of games with small gambling parts such as this.

I don't make the rules, if I did, I'd ban Racial Biased like what is available in MOST games, specifically JP and NA ones.

[Habu]

No they were clearly talking to the person who denied the fact that SE clearly gave JPs two bonanzas. You.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

No they were clearly talking to the person who denied the fact that SE clearly gave JPs two bonanzas. You.

Not in that message I didn't, but bravo also on your reading abilities.

Forgive me for not crying my eyes out over people being racially biased, it's a game and I really don't care.

[Trisscar]

Did you just completely miss the most recent post in the thread, not the ones from over two weeks ago?

There were TWO JP events that were bonanza like. One that was at Vanafest, that was like previous Bonanzas were you select 5 numbers etc etc. Then they were also given a Golden Gobbie Bag type event, like ours, to where you filled out a survey and there were x amount of winners, 1 rank one etc etc.

It's like reading is hard or something.

I read it just fine, I even comprehended it. These were lotteries offered Japanese players that were at certain real life events.

Which means that not every Japanese player had opportunity to run those lotteries either.

I guess you only like exclusitivity when it's in your favor though.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I read it just fine, I even comprehended it. These were lotteries offered Japanese players that were at certain real life events.

Which means that not every Japanese player had opportunity to run those lotteries either.

I guess you only like exclusitivity when it's in your favor though.

Quoted for truth.

[Zerich]

Not in that message I didn't, but bravo also on your reading abilities.

Forgive me for not crying my eyes out over people being racially biased, it's a game and I really don't care.

Sry Daniel, I should've just quoted the first part of your post. And yes, I was referencing your ignorance.

If you don't care, then leave, bro.



I read it just fine, I even comprehended it. These were lotteries offered Japanese players that were at certain real life events.

Which means that not every Japanese player had opportunity to run those lotteries either.

They were offered to JP players and JP players only. How is it that the JP players who didn't attend Vana'fest, were locked out of the first of their two lottos? They could have attended and bought the items. So they weren't locked out, they just chose to not go.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Sry Daniel, I should've just quoted the first part of your post. And yes, I was referencing your ignorance.

If you don't care, then leave, bro.

Thanks for the offer, I'll have to pass.

[katiekat]

just to clear this up for thos that are all not getting about why the bonanza is not in the NA or EU.
do to the fact that we pay a munthely fee to play the game by us Canada and most EU law the bonanza is cunsiderd gambling as if in a casino, as they make money off it with the players that add accounts to hold mor marbles.

i am not saying it is logickel as it is not but that is how the laws work. how ever this is not the same with a game or ftp game as there are no sub fees.
again i don't get the difference but there it is

[Demon6324236]

That makes sense honestly but its stupid because people only get punished for having extra accounts hold them, honestly in that case it should only let 1 character hold them and it would be solved, which is what they should have done.

[Habu]

I guess you only like exclusitivity when it's in your favor though.

Not denying that. Guess I should of just paid 3k for an airplane ticket to Vanafest.

[FrankReynolds]

Not denying that. Guess I should of just paid 3k for an airplane ticket to Vanafest.

Hey, since you can't get gear that makes you feel all special from HNM any more, maybe you can just camp ticketmaster and claim all the vanafest tickets instead huh.

[Habu]

Maybe you're right! Please teach me the proper way to FFXI

[FrankReynolds]

Maybe you're right! Please teach me the proper way to FFXI

I can't help you FFXI right, but this website can help you claim vanafest tickets next year.

http://www.ticketbots.net/index.asp

Make sure to write down the time that the window starts so you can get your ubercool vanafest only leet gearz before all the noobz.

[BurnNotice]

***Information about internet Gambling, possibly will bore you to oblivion! Read at your discretion! :)*****

Gambling is a game of chance involving games that have been played for centuries. Virtual gambling is an Internet form of casino gambling that uses fake money. This type of gambling is available in most social network communities and is game that does not pay the winners any real money, but is played for entertainment.

Many Internet gambling sites allow people to play casino games for money. This type of gambling is illegal in the United States. Companies outside the United States run most of these gambling sites. Using these sites from within the United States could result in criminal prosecution for illegal gambling. This form of gambling can be more addictive than casino gambling because gamblers can place bets from home computers.

So how does this relate to the NMB and GBG contest offered by SE? Well, NMB IS gambling with virtual money that cannot be exchange got real money. That's legal. However, because SE charges a service for the game for US/EU players AND offers a lottery (which is gambling) by having people purchase marbles with in-game currency WHICH LEADS TO purchasing "Mules" (purchased with real currency) to hold MORE MARBLES for an increase chase of winning. THIS IS ILLEGAL! And it violates Title 18 USCS �1084 that covers the transmission of wagering information, Title 15 U.S.C. �1171 (prohibiting interstate transportation of gambling paraphernalia); 18 U.S.C. ��1301-1303 and 19 U.S.C. �1305 (prohibiting importing, transporting, or mailing lottery tickets and related matter); 18 U.S.C. �1304 (prohibiting broadcasting of lottery information); 18 U.S.C. �1592 (prohibiting interstate travel in aid of racketeering); and, 18 U.S.C. �1953 (prohibiting interstate transportation of wagering paraphernalia).

hile the legislative history and application of each of these statutes have relevance to the issue at hand, our primary concern is �1084. Subsection (a) of �1084 states that:

"(w)hoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the pacing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the pacing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

In conclusion, SE was aware they've violated several statures in different countries unintentionally. However, because federal authorities have warned the company what kind of behavior was being created, they were cited with a possible "Cease & Deist" for the NMB in the US (I assume its the same deal in EU since laws are similar).

[Trisscar]

Not denying that. Guess I should of just paid 3k for an airplane ticket to Vanafest.

Yeah, this isn't Vanadiel economy we're talking about here, poser. Only the most extravagant or airlines have tickets anywhere near 3k.

[Habu]

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[Trisscar]

Puhlease, like you aren't used to paying to be 'better' than everyone else.

[Habu]

Puhlease, like you aren't used to paying to be 'better' than everyone else.

Which is why I wouldn't fly coach...?

[Reiterpallasch]

Only elitists and seat-swappers fly 1st class.

[katiekat]

***Information about internet Gambling, possibly will bore you to oblivion! Read at your discretion! :)*****

Gambling is a game of chance involving games that have been played for centuries. Virtual gambling is an Internet form of casino gambling that uses fake money. This type of gambling is available in most social network communities and is game that does not pay the winners any real money, but is played for entertainment.

Many Internet gambling sites allow people to play casino games for money. This type of gambling is illegal in the United States. Companies outside the United States run most of these gambling sites. Using these sites from within the United States could result in criminal prosecution for illegal gambling. This form of gambling can be more addictive than casino gambling because gamblers can place bets from home computers.

So how does this relate to the NMB and GBG contest offered by SE? Well, NMB IS gambling with virtual money that cannot be exchange got real money. That's legal. However, because SE charges a service for the game for US/EU players AND offers a lottery (which is gambling) by having people purchase marbles with in-game currency WHICH LEADS TO purchasing "Mules" (purchased with real currency) to hold MORE MARBLES for an increase chase of winning. THIS IS ILLEGAL! And it violates Title 18 USCS �1084 that covers the transmission of wagering information, Title 15 U.S.C. �1171 (prohibiting interstate transportation of gambling paraphernalia); 18 U.S.C. ��1301-1303 and 19 U.S.C. �1305 (prohibiting importing, transporting, or mailing lottery tickets and related matter); 18 U.S.C. �1304 (prohibiting broadcasting of lottery information); 18 U.S.C. �1592 (prohibiting interstate travel in aid of racketeering); and, 18 U.S.C. �1953 (prohibiting interstate transportation of wagering paraphernalia).

hile the legislative history and application of each of these statutes have relevance to the issue at hand, our primary concern is �1084. Subsection (a) of �1084 states that:

"(w)hoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the pacing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the pacing of bets or wagers, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

In conclusion, SE was aware they've violated several statures in different countries unintentionally. However, because federal authorities have warned the company what kind of behavior was being created, they were cited with a possible "Cease & Deist" for the NMB in the US (I assume its the same deal in EU since laws are similar).



ty that's what i was saying only i was to lazy to look up the laws lol

[Randwolf]

...In conclusion, SE was aware they've violated several statures in different countries unintentionally. However, because federal authorities have warned the company what kind of behavior was being created, they were cited with a possible "Cease & Deist" for the NMB in the US (I assume its the same deal in EU since laws are similar).
People always trying to drag religion into these discussions...

[0nionKn1ght]

Working for a videogame company myself, I can tell you the XX region is favored over YY region argument comes in every form, from every region, on nearly every issue.

It's at a point where games companies stop listening to this whine now, as it's old, tired, and fundamentally wrong in every respect.

[Reiterpallasch]

it's old, tired, and fundamentally wrong in every respect.
So is tiny green text in every single post you make, yet here you are :o

[0nionKn1ght]

So is tiny green text in every single post you make, yet here you are :o

Nice to see you only back up the point I made :) - Also it's the same font size as the standard font. I use a different font and colour to see where I last posted when I scroll. Sorry if a font and colour change upsets you so.

[Camiie]

Working for a videogame company myself, I can tell you the XX region is favored over YY region argument comes in every form, from every region, on nearly every issue.

It's at a point where games companies stop listening to this whine now, as it's old, tired, and fundamentally wrong in every respect.

Because your company is all the companies and your experience is everyone's experience.

For example: When one region gets a clearly superior version of a game that isn't even considered to be released in other regions then there's obviously some form of favoritism at play. It may not be based on race or ethnicity, but one group is definitely being treated better than another.

Are you really going to sit here and say that all the instances of no export or bad export listed on TV Tropes (and countless other websites and forums) is just a bunch of BS? You sure are calling out a lot of people. They're all blind, misinformed idiots? None of what they say ever happened?

[0nionKn1ght]

Because your company is all the companies and your experience is everyone's experience.

For example: When one region gets a clearly superior version of a game that isn't even considered to be released in other regions then there's obviously some form of favoritism at play. It may not be based on race or ethnicity, but one group is definitely being treated better than another.

Are you really going to sit here and say that all the instances of no export or bad export listed on TV Tropes (and countless other websites and forums) is just a bunch of BS? You sure are calling out a lot of people. They're all blind, misinformed idiots? None of what they say ever happened?

I tend not to make baseless statements, but the problem is people seem to think developers sit in their boardrooms laughing maniacally over the options offered to each region. The big problem people always forget is that regions have different restrictions in place. For example it is easier to use gambling options in games in Europe than it is in American and Japan, as online gambling laws, as well as local laws are different. Also when a service offers you a specific reward in exchange for getting a friend into the game (in essence you are advertising their product for a prize) this causes massive problems for most countries outside of the EU too, thus meaning different promotions are offered to allow a similar reward but in a different way.

It is never about inequality or unfairness, usually the only restriction is legality. Stop thinking the entire world is evil, and think more about logistics. Also for heavens sake think why for any reason a company would make a prominent step to show they favor one group of customers over another. Think about it, and realise what you are suggesting is ludicrous.

[Karbuncle]

The world is evil, Corporations anyway. Greed mostly. Thinking otherwise is naive. Not a single business on earth cares about you, me or anyone, the only thing they care about is how much money they can make out of us. They have no favor for anything other than money.

I see what you're saying that regions are usually legal issues, But I understand why some people would immediately jump to the "THEY HATE NA!" response.

Japanese culture is not exactly known for its glorious acceptance of other cultures. in fact, they're, mostly, borderline xenophobic... Not all of them mind you. The gaming companies there rarely make good calls when it comes to games too. A lot of the localization issues aren't due to them liking themselves more, Its because they don't think it'll sell good enough to bother porting it.

As far as this contest goes, they've stated multiple times they have a lot of legal issues regarding it being gambling, which some countries say it is. So if you want to blame anyone, blame your countries laws that block virtual goods from being lotteried off.

Regardless of the fact, Onion, You visit Blizzard forums much? They use green text there for "MVP's", Meaning people who have made highly rated comments. I hope thats not the case... Cause that would be brutally pathetic. Just thought I'd ask.

[Zerich]

The world is evil, Corporations anyway. Greed mostly. Thinking otherwise is naive. Not a single business on earth cares about you, me or anyone, the only thing they care about is how much money they can make out of us. They have no favor for anything other than money.

I see what you're saying that regions are usually legal issues, But I understand why some people would immediately jump to the "THEY HATE NA!" response.

Japanese culture is not exactly known for its glorious acceptance of other cultures. in fact, they're, mostly, borderline xenophobic... Not all of them mind you. The gaming companies there rarely make good calls when it comes to games too. A lot of the localization issues aren't due to them liking themselves more, Its because they don't think it'll sell good enough to bother porting it.

As far as this contest goes, they've stated multiple times they have a lot of legal issues regarding it being gambling, which some countries say it is. So if you want to blame anyone, blame your countries laws that block virtual goods from being lotteried off.

Regardless of the fact, Onion, You visit Blizzard forums much? They use green text there for "MVP's", Meaning people who have made highly rated comments. I hope thats not the case... Cause that would be brutally pathetic. Just thought I'd ask.

double posting this for great justice

[Camiie]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS][COLOR=darkgreen]I tend not to make baseless statements, but the problem is people seem to think developers sit in their boardrooms laughing maniacally over the options offered to each region.

I don't think that's the case. It's all about the money and occasionally about some artistic vision... but mostly all about the money.

[0nionKn1ght]

The world is evil, Corporations anyway. Greed mostly. Thinking otherwise is naive. Not a single business on earth cares about you, me or anyone, the only thing they care about is how much money they can make out of us. They have no favor for anything other than money.

I see what you're saying that regions are usually legal issues, But I understand why some people would immediately jump to the "THEY HATE NA!" response.

Japanese culture is not exactly known for its glorious acceptance of other cultures. in fact, they're, mostly, borderline xenophobic... Not all of them mind you. The gaming companies there rarely make good calls when it comes to games too. A lot of the localization issues aren't due to them liking themselves more, Its because they don't think it'll sell good enough to bother porting it.

As far as this contest goes, they've stated multiple times they have a lot of legal issues regarding it being gambling, which some countries say it is. So if you want to blame anyone, blame your countries laws that block virtual goods from being lotteried off.

Regardless of the fact, Onion, You visit Blizzard forums much? They use green text there for "MVP's", Meaning people who have made highly rated comments. I hope thats not the case... Cause that would be brutally pathetic. Just thought I'd ask.

Was enjoying reading your post until the last line. Why is the fact that I change the colour of my posts causing so much animosity from people on these forums? Gotten a death threat from someone who said that changing colours makes me an attention seeker. He actually said he would hunt me down and kill me if I didn't change to the default. It's something I have always done just to see where my last post was so I can catch up on conversation. I have never known such a venomous response to me liking the colour green. The forum gives me the option to use these settings, why is it such a heinous crime if I take an extra minute to post in a colour I like?

Your post raised some good points, but lost it at the end.

[Avina]

Japanese culture is not exactly known for its glorious acceptance of other cultures. in fact, they're, mostly, borderline xenophobic... Not all of them mind you. The gaming companies there rarely make good calls when it comes to games too. A lot of the localization issues aren't due to them liking themselves more, Its because they don't think it'll sell good enough to bother porting it.

It's also a lot more complicated than just how much the game will sell in the new region. They have to hire translation staff, as well as hire support staff for the game that will cater to the new region. If your game has voice acting, you have to not only translate the game and redub it as well. I wouldn't say they make a lot of bad calls in these areas; the companies WANT to make as much money as they can.

Something Square-Enix doesn't bring out here frequently are 'International' versions of their Final Fantasy games or the "Final Mix" line of Kingdom Hearts games. But that's because games are kind of treated differently here. In Japan they favor the RPG genre whereas we tend to favor more action games. While yes, it would appease NA fans of the series to release these versions of the game out here, I unfortunately can't blame them for not doing so because I don't think it would do well on our market. The average player of Kingdom Hearts, for example, probably wouldn't buy a new "Final Mix" were it released here.


Regardless of the fact, Onion, You visit Blizzard forums much? They use green text there for "MVP's", Meaning people who have made highly rated comments. I hope thats not the case... Cause that would be brutally pathetic. Just thought I'd ask.

Um, why do you gotta troll a guy who is just posting reasonable points of view? He explained why he used green text. Don't be a jerk.

[zataz]

but yea im just happy were getting something. i mean they could of just done it for japan and dropped it for legal reasons afterward.

[Avina]

Was enjoying reading your post until the last line. Why is the fact that I change the colour of my posts causing so much animosity from people on these forums? Gotten a death threat from someone who said that changing colours makes me an attention seeker. He actually said he would hunt me down and kill me if I didn't change to the default. It's something I have always done just to see where my last post was so I can catch up on conversation. I have never known such a venomous response to me liking the colour green. The forum gives me the option to use these settings, why is it such a heinous crime if I take an extra minute to post in a colour I like?

Your post raised some good points, but lost it at the end.

Because people feel like they are winning a debate if they throw in a nasty comment.

[FrankReynolds]

I like colored text. do you?


But seriously, wouldn't it be way easier to just make a signature so that the text is less offensive to the reader and you could still easily distinguish your posts? People can ignore your sig and still read your post. They can't ignore the text though.

[zataz]

>.> yellow looks fun to post in! and btw post in any color u want i couln't care less.

[Karbuncle]

How is it a troll? Was a legitimate question and statement. If he's using green text cause its an MVP on another forum, Its pathetic. I didn't accuse him of anything, I asked a question because i want to know his reasoning.

IF you people wanna take it as trolling, be my guest, But maybe you should look up the definition of Internet trolling before throwing the word out.

It could have been much worse. Stop playing a victim, can easily answer the question without taking offense to everything. Now you're simply looking for problems. Answer the question, Or ignore it, but stop looking for sympathy points for acting offended.


Because people feel like they are winning a debate if they throw in a nasty comment.

Nope.

P.S If i wanted to be a jerk, I could have made it much worse. I consider my posts on here very very tame, and i even go out of my way to make them less offensive because people should not fear giving their opinions, It should be a friendly atmosphere.

However, accuse me of being a jerk when i go out of my way not to be, and I'll be sure to save you a trip to Dictionary.com to look up the definition, because i will become Jerk incarnate.

[0nionKn1ght]

How is it a troll? Was a legitimate question and statement. If he's using green text cause its an MVP on another forum, Its pathetic. I didn't accuse him of anything, I asked a question because i want to know his reasoning.

IF you people wanna take it as trolling, be my guest, But maybe you should look up the definition of Internet trolling before throwing the word out.

It could have been much worse. Stop playing a victim, can easily answer the question without taking offense to everything. Now you're simply looking for problems. Answer the question, Or ignore it, but stop looking for sympathy points for acting offended.



Nope.

P.S If i wanted to be a jerk, I could have made it much worse. I consider my posts on here very very tame, and i even go out of my way to make them less offensive because people should not fear giving their opinions, It should be a friendly atmosphere.

However, accuse me of being a jerk when i go out of my way not to be, and I'll be sure to save you a trip to Dictionary.com to look up the definition, because i will become Jerk incarnate.

Why are you still making so much drama out of you being initially wrong and vile towards people? I am not acting the victim, you however are acting horrifically. Stop flapping your yapper about stuff no one cares about and try contributing. Also I am well aware of MvP's, but if you must know, I like the colour green because it always kind of stands out to me. I also write irl in green pen, and I wear emerald green socks ^_^

In short, get over yourself, the reason you are on a forum is usually because no one listens to you irl, stop trying to stomp about like you own a text based chat system.

FFXI Official Forums - The only place where apparantley colour matters, alot.

[Karbuncle]

Why are you still making so much drama out of you being initially wrong and vile towards people? I am not acting the victim, you however are acting horrifically. Stop flapping your yapper about stuff no one cares about and try contributing. Also I am well aware of MvP's, but if you must know, I like the colour green because it always kind of stands out to me. I also write irl in green pen, and I wear emerald green socks ^_^

In short, get over yourself, the reason you are on a forum is usually because no one listens to you irl, stop trying to stomp about like you own a text based chat system.

FFXI Official Forums - The only place where apparantley colour matters, alot.


For someone who makes a point to say "No one cares", You appear to be giving a lot of caring. Do you know the term contradiction? Or perhaps thats a little beyond your grasp, Since you seem entirely more concerned with telling people to contribute, while going out of his way to make yet another derailed post to insult the entire FFXI Official forums, as well as inform someone to "Get over themselves" in the same post they are calling someone out on being "Horrific".

You are the epitome of hypocrisy and are in fact, playing a victim, while trying to act offended and then in turn perform the same actions of insulting and berating you are apparently so vehemently disgusted by.

You're playing up the entire thing, Which makes me think i hit the nail on the head with my initial assessment of the reasoning for your text, otherwise, you would have shrugged it off and told me the reasoning to begin with, instead of insisting i was trolling or making it seem to be far more rude than it actually was.

If someone questioned my motives for an action, implying a reasoning that was incorrect, I would simply state thats not the care, not whine on about how he's a horrible troll. Then again, I'm not insecure and adamant about everyone being a troll.

[0nionKn1ght]

For someone who makes a point to say "No one cares", You appear to be giving a lot of caring. Do you know the term contradiction? Or perhaps thats a little beyond your grasp, Since you seem entirely more concerned with telling people to contribute, while going out of his way to make yet another derailed post to insult the entire FFXI Official forums, as well as inform someone to "Get over themselves" in the same post they are calling someone out on being "Horrific".

You are the epitome of hypocrisy and are in fact, playing a victim, while trying to act offended and then in turn perform the same actions of insulting and berating you are apparently so vehemently disgusted by.

If you're going to go on about not derailing, caring, or acting rude, You should refrain from derailing, caring, and acting rude. It exposes your hypocrisy.

Oh do be quiet, enough with your bleating and go away. On with the thread!

[Karbuncle]

Oh do be quiet, enough with your bleating and go away. On with the thread![/COLOR]

I'll go away when i feel the topic is done, Once more your hypocrisy is showing. You're now telling someone to stop giving their opinion or response because you disagree with it. You're silencing responses you don't like, So please, do go on telling me how I'm the rude one.

But this train wreck is getting boring, So i guess we can agree to disagree for the sake of the continued rage at the JP, you know, the reason for this thread. For someone who told me to "Get over myself", You sure seem to think so highly of yourself if you think your meager excuse for an opinion can actually get me to stop responding to a topic.
since you know, raging at the contest seems like a much more reasonable course of discussion? Topic is played out anyway. We're the only ones discussing it anymore, and all we're doing is discussing your infatuation with green, which i think we can both agree is about as strange as me liking K-pop.

[Avina]

However, accuse me of being a jerk when i go out of my way not to be, and I'll be sure to save you a trip to Dictionary.com to look up the definition, because i will become Jerk incarnate.

Uh oh, I'm shaking in my boots now.

[Randwolf]

Oh do be quiet, enough with your bleating and go away. On with the thread!
I say we all do different colors and make the forums look like a Pride parade.

[0nionKn1ght]

I say we all do different colors and make the forums look like a Pride parade.

Thats the spirit!

[Karbuncle]

I call Dibs on White.

[FrankReynolds]

I call Dibs on White.

Why not green?

[Karbuncle]

I'd say something like cause "White is the Superior color", But due to recent events, I'd likely offend someone. Jerk is one thing, Don't need people screaming THATS RACIST.

Plus, My posts are so good, People will highlight them to read them.

[Zerich]

hip hop frou-de-frop don't stop till you drop!

fixed it for you.

[Demon6324236]

I'd say something like cause "White is the Superior color", But due to recent events, I'd likely offend someone. Jerk is one thing, Don't need people screaming THATS RACIST.

Plus, My posts are so good, People will highlight them to read them.

I just go into "Reply With Quote" lol ><

[bungiefanNA]

It's also a lot more complicated than just how much the game will sell in the new region. They have to hire translation staff, as well as hire support staff for the game that will cater to the new region. If your game has voice acting, you have to not only translate the game and redub it as well. I wouldn't say they make a lot of bad calls in these areas; the companies WANT to make as much money as they can.

Something Square-Enix doesn't bring out here frequently are 'International' versions of their Final Fantasy games or the "Final Mix" line of Kingdom Hearts games. But that's because games are kind of treated differently here. In Japan they favor the RPG genre whereas we tend to favor more action games. While yes, it would appease NA fans of the series to release these versions of the game out here, I unfortunately can't blame them for not doing so because I don't think it would do well on our market. The average player of Kingdom Hearts, for example, probably wouldn't buy a new "Final Mix" were it released here.

The American market is not looked at as accepting a rerelease of a game a year or so later on the same platform with more content, unless it's going to be at greatly reduced price. The only game I've seen them do it with was Guilty Gear XX Accent Core on Wii and PS2, which got a Plus version a short while later, and while Accent Core was $40-50 when it came out, Accent Core Plus was only $20. I suppose they could have done it with the Greatest Hits release, but the saves aren't compatible between the regular and upgraded versions in Japan, so they wouldn't be here either.

Meanwhile, the Japanese eat up RPG releases, especially with extra features. Their market is known to tolerate buying multiple versions at full price.

[Dragoy]

No there wasn't.

They had the Bonanza and We have this one, or at least it was meant to be.


Then SE as a company are liars, good way for a company to be.

From what I heard, the Mog Bonanza was done online as well as at VanaFest, so in that sense they are not playing fair.

Well, to be precise, they said there would be no 'GGG' for the Japanese, so if it's called anything else (I haven't looked into it, and don't care enough to do so in the near future), I guess they were still telling the truth... sort of. ^^;

It's all a bit of a mess, but I feel that we probably should be thankful and/or lucky that we had the Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway at all in the first place, even though it was (in my opinion) not right to restrict entry to one SqEX account, instead of one PlayOnline account. If it was to prevent single user from participating multiple times, it's obviously flawed, since many who actually have several PlayOnline accounts have them in separate SQUARE ENIX accounts, and thus are able to use them all to participate. In the meantime, those who opted to use one single SqEX account for all their POL accounts for convenience, are partially left out.

They still cost the full price and all that!

It also excludes players who share a SqEX account. Whether or not they know it is a violation of the User Agreement, it is simply convenient for families and such, and as such, is a common practice.

If there are to be events like this to be seen in the future, I do hope they entail at least some improvements!


Also, are we bickering about what colours are used here now?

Really?!¿ °~°

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Also, are we bickering about what colours are used here now?

Really?!¿ °~°

Evidently so, according to some we should not use the colours added to be used, simply because.

[Meyi]

I say we all do different colors and make the forums look like a Pride parade.

Oh my God, Pride! SQUEE!

Let us use the colors of rainbows to persuade Square Enix to show equal love!

[scaevola]

To participate in the Nomad Mog Bonanza, you pick 1 number from 00000 to 99999, which is a 1 in 100000 chance of winning. Unless everyone that attend Vanafest collude to pick a different number, to even have a 50% chance that anyone will win rank 1 at all require about 70000 people to have attended Vanafest (0.99999^70000 = 0.49 chance of no one winning).

Do you think 70000 people attended Vanafest? Even if they did, the chance there is of anyone winning at all is 50%.

Habu's point (and I agree with him) is that for there to be no rank 1 winner in this specific lottery would be a PR disaster from which SE stands to gain nothing, so there would be no reason not to just draw again until a winner was found.

This isn't a state lottery. SE does not profit by not paying out.