Twilight Gear, why fulltime!?

[Shadowsong]

Mini-Rant Go!

Can someone please explain to me why every other BST I see is fulltiming the twilight gear set? 0% haste, 0 pet buffs, 0 idle bonuses. Are you that bad a player you need constant RR3!? There is level 18 gear that is better than this.
BSTs i confront about this get so uppity in my face about it, its crazy! PERLE gear is better for God's sake.
Literally, wearing twilight set is like being naked, all for the sake of reraise? Buy a 20k earring please and take off the crap armor.

Mini-Rant off

[Mirage]

Maybe they think it looks cool.

Just kick them if they're doing it in their party. Whatever they do while soloing is their own problem.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

They are probably the same people that don't macro at all.

That said, why does it effect you what gear other people wear? don't invite them to your parties if you don't like it.

[Camiie]

What's really funny? The people in perle and twilight gear are probably having fun where the OP is having a temper tantrum about how they're all doing it wrong. I'd say the person having fun in a video game is doing better than the one having a fit over what someone else is doing. Take a step back and have a little perspective, OP.

[Xilk]

I often put on really crappy gear while running around just to troll others! I recently put together a chr- gear set just for reactions (actually I made it for some testing to answer questions, but its really funny when you get a reaction).

more seriously, I often idle in my twilight gear for the refresh/regen. Otherwise I usually don't complain about other ppl doing less than optimal stuff on bst or any other job unless I'm in the party w/ them and relying on them for something... which is almost never.

who are you seeing like this? bandwagon bst competing w/ you in dyna? Hey, if they are killing slower, thats fine by me. I get more mobs that way.

[Nakts]

I usually show up to events in a mankini and pitchfork with whatever silly hat I feel like for that day

[Shadowsong]

Its not like you have to be the best geared of a bat to still do the job, just peeves me out sometimes lol
Yeah mostly bandwagon BST, and no it doesn't affect me much so meh. The kind of gear people graviate to confuses me, especially when better gear is easier to obtain lol.

[Gippo]

There's nothing wrong with fulltiming Twilight Mail as long as you can cap haste. twilight belt, af2+2 pants, brego gloves, and zelus tiara give full haste. OP is right though in that Twilight helm should not be used for tp gain.
Unfortunately, the lowly lvl 75 mirke wardecors with dual wield augment that everyone forgets about is not only better than twilight body because of the delay reduction of it and suppa combined, but it is your best body for tp with the above gear until you can score both Mextli Harness and Cuauh. Headpiece.

So dont always knock gear till you see the total package.

[Babekeke]

Mini-Rant Go!

Can someone please explain to me why every other BST I see is fulltiming the twilight gear set? 0% haste, 0 pet buffs, 0 idle bonuses.

Apart from refresh on body and regen on head?

if /melee I can understand them not needing body, but head is a good idle piece.

[Arcon]

Apart from refresh on body and regen on head?

if /melee I can understand them not needing body, but head is a good idle piece.

Despite it being an awful fulltime choice, it does actually contribute a few things. 25 DEX makes up to an 11% crit rate difference, and 25 STR and 25 Attack raise your average melee quite a lot. It would still lose to proper Haste gear, but it's not nearly as awful as the OP makes it out to be. It may even beat Perle head/body combination (assuming no other pieces), depending on current Haste set.

[Fupafighter]

I often put on really crappy gear while running around just to troll others! I recently put together a chr- gear set just for reactions (actually I made it for some testing to answer questions, but its really funny when you get a reaction).

more seriously, I often idle in my twilight gear for the refresh/regen. Otherwise I usually don't complain about other ppl doing less than optimal stuff on bst or any other job unless I'm in the party w/ them and relying on them for something... which is almost never.

who are you seeing like this? bandwagon bst competing w/ you in dyna? Hey, if they are killing slower, thats fine by me. I get more mobs that way.

I wish I had the space to carry around random gearsets to troll people....

[Vandheer]

On top of everything that has been said they could be using it to up their Reward amounts. Reward is modded by MND which the twilight (body) gives +15 of. True a BST would ideally want to cap out haste but if they are capped out and don't have a body piece to buff pet buffing reward could be a plus. I will agree though it does depend on what else they are geared in.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

On top of everything that has been said they could be using it to up their Reward amounts. Reward is modded by MND which the twilight (body) gives +15 of. True a BST would ideally want to cap out haste but if they are capped out and don't have a body piece to buff pet buffing reward could be a plus. I will agree though it does depend on what else they are geared in.
It's why Macro's were invented.

[tyrantsyn]

+25 to all stats including att and acc, regen and refresh and RR sounds like a pretty ideal set for a job that spends a lot of time by itself. Not to mention if your not much into macro swaps or just don't use em at all it's a pretty kosher set.

Personally I wouldn't do it. But I wouldn't fault the guy next to me for doing it.

[Mirage]

I'm way too lazy to use macros when I solo easy shit. When others depend on my performance, however, I gearswap as much as is expected from me.

[Xilk]

I'm way too lazy to use macros when I solo easy shit. When others depend on my performance, however, I gearswap as much as is expected from me.

I had to give you a like just for the sig image.


I wish I had the space to carry around random gearsets to troll people....

I keep alot of stuff in my mog sack cuz I really don't have space including all my gear swaps. i have a metric ton of gear for bst, so I have to move a handful of items to sack and back when I get serious. This is a real pain when I actually do go to dynamis. I hate when my inventory gets clogged w/ -1 and accessories and I don't notice til I lose a piece of currency.

[Randwolf]

...BSTs i confront about this get so uppity in my face about it, its crazy!...
Pot, meet kettle. I didn't know we needed Twilight Mail Police.

[tyrantsyn]

Aye, very much a Troll thread. But all the same every one likes to weigh in.

[Randwolf]

Aye, very much a Troll thread. But all the same every one likes to weigh in.
I'm single and not dating right now. I need some form of drama to remind me I'm not deceased.

[Camiie]

BSTs i confront about this get so uppity in my face about it, its crazy!

You're the one being "uppity" by getting in their face in the first place. Of course people are going to react negatively if you're being confrontational! Honestly, if you don't understand that, a social game such as this may not be right for you.

[Glamdring]

ok, only addressing the topic, not the attitude. Maybe they are one of those beasts that just like to throw pets at something and then AFK for like 20 minutes. I see too many players like that on ANY job, but if all you're gonna do is AFK, then yeah, free RR3 is nice.

I definitely see a use for Twi gear for beast in parties, if the party insists on "helping" the beast our hate control and thus damage control and the like go out the window, it's all too easy to get killed by AoE TP spam and the like, then the RR is your friend. I know a few players that can't take a hint when I say "PLEASE leave me and my mob alone and kill stuff with the rest of the pt, I got this". I have more pt friendly jobs and tend to bring them, but every once and a while I like to bring the beast to get the TEs out of the way as fast as possible, maybe to help pull in the very unfriendly areas, sometimes to help when we are short jobs for the right build, or I'm just bored.

Still, I'd never personally FT Twilight set, I just have better stuff so why bother. although that IS 1 other possibility, might be a bandwagon bst who aby burned and it just happens to be the only body/head they have that bst can use... Gotta wear SOMETHING until you get useful pieces I guess...

[Godofgods]

What's really funny? The people in perle and twilight gear are probably having fun where the OP is having a temper tantrum about how they're all doing it wrong. I'd say the person having fun in a video game is doing better than the one having a fit over what someone else is doing. Take a step back and have a little perspective, OP.

/cheer


(for the sake of haveing 10 char)

[SNK]

What's really funny? The people in perle and twilight gear are probably having fun where the OP is having a temper tantrum about how they're all doing it wrong. I'd say the person having fun in a video game is doing better than the one having a fit over what someone else is doing. Take a step back and have a little perspective, OP.

Yeah I watch a lot of those BSTs having fun and then get their asses tore apart because they're too retarded to consider that their pets are tanking most of the damage without any consideration that if their pet dies then they're next. I've seen this happen so many times.

You could say it's fun for me to watch them die so horribly. ^-^

[Behemothx]

lol at caring what others wear.

[Mifaco]

I can't be arsed to get out every single piece of bst gear and do the inventory dance for a job I barely play.

[Camiie]

Yeah I watch a lot of those BSTs having fun and then get their asses tore apart because they're too retarded to consider that their pets are tanking most of the damage without any consideration that if their pet dies then they're next. I've seen this happen so many times.

You could say it's fun for me to watch them die so horribly. ^-^

That's really kind of disturbing that you derive such pleasure from the suffering or failure of others, but it's not very surprising. The FFXI community is a lot more screwed-up in the head than it gets credit for. Thanks for demonstrating that!

[SNK]

That's really kind of disturbing that you derive such pleasure from the suffering or failure of others, but it's not very surprising. The FFXI community is a lot more screwed-up in the head than it gets credit for. Thanks for demonstrating that!

Disturbing? Probably.

Amusing to see so many Bandwagon BSTs get their shit kicked in because they're too lazy to gearswap? Awesome!

This kind of entertainment is the best you can enjoy from players who halfass their gear. Everytime I hear someone saying they don't macro swap their gear, I just facedesk and wait for the outcome of their painful suffering & humliation because they complain that this game is too hard. lol

People who play BST like that are just pure unadulterated lazy. I avoid doing anything with them because they're either too stubborn to gear thier jobs up somewhat respectivly or they think full pearl is ok and Abyessa is too hard.

So yeah watching them die horribly because they're too stupid to learn that you can't halfass your way thru on stuff that matters is pure entertainment at it's best.~

[Rezeak]

There is level 18 gear that is better than this.

no there isn't


Despite it being an awful fulltime choice, it does actually contribute a few things. 25 DEX makes up to an 11% crit rate difference, and 25 STR and 25 Attack raise your average melee quite a lot. It would still lose to proper Haste gear, but it's not nearly as awful as the OP makes it out to be. It may even beat Perle head/body combination (assuming no other pieces), depending on current Haste set.

pretty much sums up perfectly.

The real situation honestly Twilight body is accully a decent Tp body.

As for the head you lose alot of haste BUT the regen is useful in keeping ur self fully healed sp it's not so bad.

either way twilight set is decent tp set, great ws set, great reward set, and has RR to boot so yea stop hating.

[Shadowsong]

No, Twilight is one of the worst TP options, second or third best WS set, only body works for reward, and stop sucking so you dont die or use the basically free RR items already obtainable?
I have not read a single good reason so far why people are fulltiming this, so I'll continue to assume those that do are either casual or suck (both need to be avoided nowadays anyway)
Also, lol @ the having less fun thing

[SNK]

The real situation honestly Twilight body is accully a decent Tp body.

This..

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101219011916/ffxi/images/b/ba/Twilight_mail.png

Isn't better then this for a TP piece.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101229225150/ffxi/images/d/d9/Ferine_Gausape_%2B2.png

I don't know what you're thinking but I like being able to hit the Haste cap as a BST.

Twilight Body is a good Ruinator piece if you don't have a decent Ebody with augments or a Toci's. Other then Reward that's about all it's good for.

P.S. If you die that much that you need Reraise then you suck at the job I'm sad to say. :(

[Camiie]

P.S. If you die that much that you need Reraise then you suck at the job I'm sad to say. :(

You sure you want to go that far? Don't you keep a from of RR around in case shit happens?

[Limecat]

I like to sit around eating bibiki slugs in town, you get the funniest reactions from people.

[SNK]

You sure you want to go that far? Don't you keep a from of RR around in case shit happens?

The only time I keep a RR charge on is when I'm soloing Dynamis and even then I can count on one hand where I've died so I almost see it as pointless but I like being prepared. It comes back to the point that if you're a BST, there are superior options then Twilight Body being fulltimed.

Don't get me wrong. If you suck at this game then sure use Twilight Body and never macro swap into anything else. However if you want to really play as a good BST, at least wear a Mirke Wardacors with good pet Augments and worry more about your pet's performance then yourself.

There's times when you can screw off on trash mob and go full on out with a decent TP/WS build and then there's times when you sacrifice your own performance to ensure your pet's survival. It's a fundamental core of how most BSTs with a good level of sense in their heads along with a personal pdt/mdt build/reward build tend to not die hardly because they're smart enough to use macros and gearswaps.

It just comes back to my original point. Lazy players die faster then players who arn't lazy.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

The only time I keep a RR charge on is when I'm soloing Dynamis and even then I can count on one hand where I've died so I almost see it as pointless but I like being prepared. It comes back to the point that if you're a BST, there are superior options then Twilight Body being fulltimed.

Don't get me wrong. If you suck at this game then sure use Twilight Body and never macro swap into anything else. However if you want to really play as a good BST, at least wear a Mirke Wardacors with good pet Augments and worry more about your pet's performance then yourself.

There's times when you can screw off on trash mob and go full on out with a decent TP/WS build and then there's times when you sacrifice your own performance to ensure your pet's survival. It's a fundamental core of how most BSTs with a good level of sense in their heads along with a personal pdt/mdt build/reward build tend to not die hardly because they're smart enough to use macros and gearswaps.

It just comes back to my original point. Lazy players die faster then players who arn't lazy.

Unless you only send your pet in, you're far more likely to do more damage yourself than your pet on anything worthwhile.

Don't get me wrong, improve on your pet, but if you can improve yourself much more then that's a better option unless you're soloing an NM etc that has dangerous AoE.

[SNK]

Unless you only send your pet in, you're far more likely to do more damage yourself than your pet on anything worthwhile.

Don't get me wrong, improve on your pet, but if you can improve yourself much more then that's a better option unless you're soloing an NM etc that has dangerous AoE.

I won't argue with that. In fact it comes down to the idea that if you do it right your pet can end up putting out more damage then you in the longterm leaving you free to smack the crap out of whatever you're fighting. AoE mobs I tend to keep back on just because they're usually too dangerous to melee in the 1st place.

It's all about balancing yourself along with your pet to ensure that you don't make any mistakes and you allow yourself some "Leg Room" when there's a chance shit can hit the fan. Twilight Body is good for two things really. Ruinator and Reward. Living off it just for Reraise is just stupid.

Here's some basic examples I can point out..

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/BonusKun/Vie120611073044a.jpg
Pet pdt and haste. This is pretty much giving yourself full support to your pet. With Augmented gear like Armada feet and whatnot along with relic +2 legs, You can give your pet a full 24% haste which is pretty damn awesome. Pdt naturally comes into play as well.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/BonusKun/Vie120611073404a.jpg

Reward. Just trade the Osode for Twilight Body and you've got the idea. It really amazes me how many people play this job and have 0 idea how Reward really works. Along with Augmented Relic as well & merits, Giving your pet a huge regen along with the Reward use pretty much ensures that most mobs you're fighting won't kill your pet anytime soon if at all.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/BonusKun/Vie120611073448a.jpg

TP build. Sadly as much as I'd like to fulltime this as a TP set, you need something like Brego Gloves to hit the haste cap. This is pretty much one of the better sets for a TP build with a huge amount of accuracy and attack. There are of course ways to cap haste around it but I prefer this just for the overall stat bonuses.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/BonusKun/Vie120611073502a.jpg

Ruinator. It's an amazing weaponskill. I can't tell you how much I was happy BST was thrown a bone finally for something so strong that wasn't Rampage. I have Mekia Head also which I normally use but for mobs with higher evasion Twilight Helm is decent enough since all these new WSs suffer an accuracy penalty after the 1st hit.

Most of this gear is easily obtainable and or doesn't cost a lot to get. I don't see what's so hard for some people playing BST to spend a lil extra gil to make sure they're saving money in the long run without burning thru jugs so fast.

There's more I can add to this but I'm in the middle of an event so I'll probably post more later.

[Rezeak]

I don't know what you're thinking but I like being able to hit the Haste cap as a BST.

Twilight Body is a good Ruinator piece if you don't have a decent Ebody with augments or a Toci's. Other then Reward that's about all it's good for.

P.S. If you die that much that you need Reraise then you suck at the job I'm sad to say. :(

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j218/Rezeak/MysuxyBST-1.jpg

btw here my suxy BST (it's geared mainly for Dyna)
my suxy tp set only has
capped haste
20% pet haste (inc familiar +10% augment bonus)
5% Triple attack.
11% Double attack.
5% crit rate.

So yea my bst is pretty decent.

So to the point you over reacted at.

I was saying Twilight set is decent.

*By decent i do not mean it's the best in the game so please don't overract and call me a noooob D: i mean the STR (attack fSTR) Dex (+crit% acc) and ACC/ATK Acully increase your dmg relative to a lvl 18 peice of gear which OP was about.

Either way i don't understand this elitest crap.

if you can farm a mil in 2hr using twilight set it's bad?

U know when i start dyna i was using Twilight and some perle and some other junk i had crossed over from other jobs and i was pulling in like 100-120 coins which was 800k in 2 hours (now i pull in 180-250 <3 )

Which is the point i'm trying to make if a bst is using Twilight set to farm dyna and they have nothing better there still making decent gil it's a bad thing? or should he listen to you guys go on about it like it's the worst thing ever.

Infact it would be dumb for bst not to do dyna(aka play bst) w/ gimp gear once there strong enough to survive in there.

[SNK]

Pretty impressive set I'll give you that. My point was that is somehow you *not you directly* have Twilight Body and you've yet to actually complete a +2 body or even yet a Mirke Wardcores then yeah you're doing it wrong. It's got nothing to be about being elistist, it's about just doing it right.

BST has way too many options out there to not get something better for a tp piece then twilight body.

Overall impressive gear tho.

[Xilk]

Ferine Gausape +2 is my absolute favorite piece for Bst. (I really want Phorcys, but... ) If you are fighting something that you have killer effects against, then Gausape +2> Phorcys Korazin. Which is a funny piece of irony imo. I love it because it is a very cool, unique bst approach to DD.

BST has a ton of options for how to cap haste, which means there are alot of close options for how to make your tp set. It would not be hard to make a capped haste set and have the Twilight mail on. Shucks, If I put Perle sollerets on I could do it (I like having as much pet haste to go w/ master haste however).

I don't care for gear elitism, but I really like collecting good gear! I like tweaking sets and comparing, but the mentality of bashing players for gear choices is so 2009 :P

Players are burning jobs up levels super fast, its not worthwile to gear for level 50~99 very much. AFter you get the job up, do you really want to collect all that gear for it if you will only use it for one specific purpose? Unless you are fighting the Top NM's in the game w/ it, the gear choices won't be critical... They are just to have fun with.,,

[tyrantsyn]

You know you can sit here all day and talk about tp/ws/-pdt/-mdt/dt/haste/stp or what ever else set's that comes to mind and yet there's some guy who goes "WTF are they talking about" look's at his Twilight set and goes "Oh, Shinny :D"

[HimuraKenshyn]

The day a solo bst gives a f about what others think is the day he should delete his character period. Your a solo bst do whatever you feel like doing if wearing nothing letting your pet do all the work so be it its your toon and coin and time no one elses. Free the bst lol...

When I start to care about what others do solo its time to quit cause this game would be giving me mental issues at that point that's for sure....

[Camiie]

The day a solo bst gives a f about what others think is the day he should delete his character period. Your a solo bst do whatever you feel like doing if wearing nothing letting your pet do all the work so be it its your toon and coin and time no one elses. Free the bst lol...

When I start to care about what others do solo its time to quit cause this game would be giving me mental issues at that point that's for sure....

That used to be the mentality among us BSTs, but as with everything the Stop-Having-Fun-Guys eventually came along and did what they do best. "You're doing it wrong! Do it like me or you're a loser, n00b! Stop having fun and play the way I say is right!"

It really is kind of stupid to do that when the person isn't in your group. If he is you can kick him if you're the leader or leave if you're not.

[Babekeke]

That used to be the mentality among us BSTs, but as with everything the Stop-Having-Fun-Guys eventually came along and did what they do best. "You're doing it wrong! Do it like me or you're a loser, n00b! Stop having fun and play the way I say is right!"

It really is kind of stupid to do that when the person isn't in your group. If he is you can kick him if you're the leader or leave if you're not.

The only time to get annoyed with a gimp BST soloing, is when (s)he's soloing <instert name of NM here> and won't let you and your friends help him to kill it faster/proc/TH it, so that you can try and get the next claim.

[Shadowsong]

lol camiee.
You seem to be the most damaged person ive ever seen post here.
When I see someone playing with bad gear, do you think i start sending them tells about how much they suck? Dont you think Im doing it to help them to better enjoy the game? This is NOT A SINGLE PLAYER GAME.
You know what I do when someone suggests better gear or a better way of doing things? I research, experiement, then most likely change to follow the suggestion.
Other people may have information I can benefit from, crazy concept right?

[Shadowsong]

lol camiee.
You seem to be the most damaged person ive ever seen post here.
When I see someone playing with bad gear, do you think i start sending them tells about how much they suck? Dont you think Im doing it to help them to better enjoy the game? This is NOT A SINGLE PLAYER GAME.
You know what I do when someone suggests better gear or a better way of doing things? I research, experiement, then most likely change to follow the suggestion.
Other people may have information I can benefit from, crazy concept right?
Why dont you turn on say, party, shout, and tell chat filters if you hate other people's opinion so much

[Camiie]

lol camiee.
You seem to be the most damaged person ive ever seen post here.

Thanks for the free analysis, Doctor. I applaud you for doing pro bono work online.


When I see someone playing with bad gear, do you think i start sending them tells about how much they suck? Dont you think Im doing it to help them to better enjoy the game?

Good intentions or not you're offering unsolicited criticism of total strangers. If you expect anything other than them going into defensive mode, then you apparently don't have much experience with human interaction. They're being perfectly normal in their response. You're just being weird and creating, at best, a very awkward situation.


This is NOT A SINGLE PLAYER GAME.

If the person is not teamed up with you in any way then you have ZERO business confronting them in any way about how they are playing unless they are directly impacting your play.


You know what I do when someone suggests better gear or a better way of doing things? I research, experiement, then most likely change to follow the suggestion.
Other people may have information I can benefit from, crazy concept right?

If you enjoy getting unsolicited advice or criticism from total strangers that's fine. Good for you. Everyone is not you, and they are not "damaged" (to use your terminology) because they deal with things differently than you.

You want some unsolicited advice from me? Learn how to better interact with people. Be delicate with and humble around people you don't know. Be less critical of others. Don't come off as some kind of know-it-all. Don't expect others to respond to criticism in the way that you would. If you'd like to offer people advice then create a website or contribute to one of the wikis. Put the advice in a form where they can seek it out on their terms rather than having it forced upon them in a manner they may not be comfortable with.

Just trying to help you better enjoy the game.

[Glamdring]

@ Camiie, sounds like you'ld like a T-Shirt I made when I used to work in a shop: "If I wanted your opinion about Jesus, I would've asked!"

You give criticism when the receiver is receptive, otherwise, no. If you think you know better, fine-smile smugly and move on. It's entirely possible that the guy "doing it wrong" (who did you notice is STILL winning?) ISN'T doing it wrong, he's just doing it a way you don't LIKE. Granted, I agree, any beast on an NM who turns down help for a proc is a fool-unless the proc you need is axe-unless the offeror is after the same thing as the beast (hard enough getting some pops on beast without having to give them away to annyone offering to help). If you just want to chime in with a "need any help?", fine, but don't offer any advice or criticsm unless the guy says something like "wow, nice damage, how'd...?" Otherwise, all you are doing is labeling yourself as an asshole in the other guy's mind.

[Delvish]

Another nice way of giving advice is turning on mentorship status and telling politely. If they get offended, just point at your mentor flag. It is what mentors do. I've had my mentor flag on constantly since I got it and always offer help where available.

[Xilk]

lol camiee.
You seem to be the most damaged person ive ever seen post here.
When I see someone playing with bad gear, do you think i start sending them tells about how much they suck? Dont you think Im doing it to help them to better enjoy the game? This is NOT A SINGLE PLAYER GAME.
You know what I do when someone suggests better gear or a better way of doing things? I research, experiement, then most likely change to follow the suggestion.
Other people may have information I can benefit from, crazy concept right?
Why dont you turn on say, party, shout, and tell chat filters if you hate other people's opinion so much

When someone drops their opinion on me, its often worth exactly how much I paid for it.

You know perfectly well that you're not helping. The above statement is all about self-gratification, NOT helping other players.


If you think you know better, fine-smile smugly and move on. It's entirely possible that the guy "doing it wrong" (who did you notice is STILL winning?) ISN'T doing it wrong, he's just doing it a way you don't LIKE.
AMEN!

I've run around in CHR- Gear before, and Killer effects + gear or whatever I might be messing around with. It's pretty annoying when someone tries to tell me what gear to wear out of nowhere.

[Babekeke]

Granted, I agree, any beast on an NM who turns down help for a proc is a fool-unless the proc you need is axe-unless the offeror is after the same thing as the beast (hard enough getting some pops on beast without having to give them away to annyone offering to help).

To clarify my point from earlier, if I or a group I'm in ever offers to help someone who is able to get the job done without our help, our only reward is helping them to get their item so that they are no longer competition for us, and getting them out of the way faster so that we have more time to get our own item(s). We would only ever take items dropped by that mob if the person who we helped tells us specifically that they are not interested in said item, or they already passed it in the treasure pool.

I would never offer to proc a mob, or help them to kill it faster and then lot against them. Even if we are only after the very same item.

[Camiie]

While we're kinda on that topic:
Quite some time ago (pretty sure before 99 cap) I was out soloing Koios on my BST for seals, and killing it as fast as I could. This other group comes along and waits around and then starts doing frustrated emotes at me. I'm certain that they were after abyssite upgrade, but I didn't see them around when I spawned the NM. I extend the offer to them to team up so it will die faster, but they actually decline for whatever reason. So I just sit there letting Yuly whittle it down while they /fume and /angry at me. What else could I do? Ehh, ya never know what kind of weirdos you'll run into in the wacky world of Vana'diel.

[Babekeke]

While we're kinda on that topic:
Quite some time ago (pretty sure before 99 cap) I was out soloing Koios on my BST for seals, and killing it as fast as I could. This other group comes along and waits around and then starts doing frustrated emotes at me. I'm certain that they were after abyssite upgrade, but I didn't see them around when I spawned the NM. I extend the offer to them to team up so it will die faster, but they actually decline for whatever reason. So I just sit there letting Yuly whittle it down while they /fume and /angry at me. What else could I do? Ehh, ya never know what kind of weirdos you'll run into in the wacky world of Vana'diel.

I'd have said to them "You think this is bad, you should see how long it's going to take me to kill Brulo!" ;p

[Camiie]

I'd have said to them "You think this is bad, you should see how long it's going to take me to kill Brulo!" ;p

Sadly they were JP so my biting wit would have been lost on them due to the language barrier. ;_;

[Waldrich]

Idle Master no pet. that's it period.

[Babekeke]

I'd have said to them "You think this is bad, you should see how long it's going to take me to kill Brulo!" ;p

Ah the whole JP pride thing. I've seen this too, where they would rather sit and wait for an hour than team up.

[Caketime]

This thread is hilarious, I had no idea so many people actually care about what others are wearing. I just want you all to know that I appreciate this entertainment you have provided me.