Questions about the VanaFest Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway

[Arcon]

First of all, the NA thread (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/24471-Announcing-the-VanaFest-Golden-Gobbiebag-Giveaway-!-%28NA%29) lists 250 rank 2 winners, 1000 rank 3 winners and 5000 rank 4 winners, while the EU thread (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/24472-Announcing-the-VanaFest-Golden-Gobbiebag-Giveaway-!-%28EU%29) reduces that to a pessimistic 25 rank 2 winners, 100 rank 3 winners and 500 rank 4 winners. Which one of them is correct?

Secondly:

The “Golden Gobbiebag I” winner will be selected from a combination of North America and Europe participants. All other winners will be selected by region.

Does that mean that NA and EU will each get 250 (or 25) rank 2 winners, 1000 (100) rank 3 and 5000 (500) rank 4? Or that an equal amount will be selected from each region?

[hiko]

only 1 rank 1 winner selected from a combination of america and europe
250 NA rank2 winner + 25 EU rank 2winner
.....

[Sarick]

First of all, the NA thread (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/24471-Announcing-the-VanaFest-Golden-Gobbiebag-Giveaway-!-%28NA%29) lists 250 rank 2 winners, 1000 rank 3 winners and 5000 rank 4 winners, while the EU thread (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/24472-Announcing-the-VanaFest-Golden-Gobbiebag-Giveaway-!-%28EU%29) reduces that to a pessimistic 25 rank 2 winners, 100 rank 3 winners and 500 rank 4 winners. Which one of them is correct?

Secondly:


Does that mean that NA and EU will each get 250 (or 25) rank 2 winners, 1000 (100) rank 3 and 5000 (500) rank 4? Or that an equal amount will be selected from each region?

1. Is there only 1 chance per account.


Restrictions
Only one entry can be made per Square Enix account.

Japan users mog lottery get 10 chances per character over lvl X. Does the EU and US characters have the same opportunity per character over level X while the Japanese get up to 180 chances? NO! These extra characters people purchased should receive the same number of chances as the Japan counterparts this just shows favoritism.

2. With the limitation on how many can win per rank. Does the Mog Japan lottery have a limitation on the number of rank wins? My guess is again a big NO. Here's how I see it. If the mog lottery gave out had 10 rank 1 prizes the EU and US should have EQUAL prizes given out.

If the Japan counterparts get top rank one wins while US and EU combined are limited to one win How is this balanced? :confused: The sad fact that anyone would even consider this is a loss of reality. This would definitively prove to even the most ignorant how the community is segregated by making one event inferior.

What does it take to open the eyes of both SE and the players. Some have become sympathizers trying to make excuses and put the dirt under a rug. If you feel your getting the smallest stick like I mentioned above I strongly encurage you to STAND UP for yourself, grow some balls and say something about it. By ignoring the obvious unfairness you only encourage it. :mad:

[hiko]

1. Is there only 1 chance per account.

Japan users mog lottery get 10 chances per character over lvl X. Does the EU and US characters have the same opportunity per character over level X. while the US and EU only get one. These extra characters people purchased should receive the same number of chances as the Japan counterparts otherwise it shows favoritism.

2. With the limitation on how many can ranks. does the Mog Japan lottery have a limitation on the number of rank wins? My guess is no.. Here's how I see it. If the mog lottery had 10 rank 1 prizes the EU and US should have EQUAL prizes given out.

If the Japan counterparts get top rank one wins while US and EU combined are limited to one win How is this balanced? The sad fact that anyone would even consider this is a loss of reality. This would definitively prove to even the most ignorant how the community is segregated.

What does it take to open the eyes of both SE and the players. Some have become sympathizers trying to make excuses and put the dirt under a rug.


There is no IN-GAME BONANZA for JP player, only VANAFEST BONANZA

[Sarick]

Oh, really. the way I read it there was one please. Let me look for that link.


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/24008-10th-Vana-versary-Mog-Bonanza?p=324603#post324603


Greetings!

As many of you seem to be curious about the status of the Nomad Mog Bonanza, I’d like to take a moment to explain the current situation.

The North America and European Community Teams have been working diligently preparing for the Nomad Mog Bonanza, but unfortunately due to changing times and differing global laws, we will not be able to hold a Mog Bonanza for NA and EU regions moving forward.

While Japan will hold the Nomad Mog Bonanza at VanaFest 2012, it will mark the final Mog Bonanza of Vana’diel. Furthermore, to make sure that our players in North America and Europe aren't left out, we will be holding a separate event where players will be able to win similar prizes (all the goodies from tier 1, tier 2, and tier3…plus a bunch of other rare in-game items), so rest assured we will be giving you a good opportunity to make all your Vana’diel dreams come true!


Also, even though the Mog Bonanza will be gone, we will be offering a different event for our end of the year celebration for a chance to win the items of your dreams!

We will be announcing the NA/EU event very shortly, so hang tight and look forward to it!

Please explain because this post says differently. I may be wrong but, this post clearly says we get a seperate event. Like I said in the past seperate isn't always equal.

[hiko]

may be wrong, but i think he talk about:

Quote Originally Posted by Foxclon View Post

I have an update in regards to the Random Deal event that was announced for VanaFest 2012.

Item revamp
We have decided to remove the below items from the pool of items that can be received with the purchasable tags:

Bonanza Kupon RW/Bonanza Kupon MW/Bonana Kupon EW

While the amount of these items were such that it would not affect game balance or economic balance, based on everyone’s feedback we decided to remove them.

We apologize to everyone who was concerned or looking forward to this, but we appreciate your understanding.


Also, here is some information about the policies related to this event.

Number of times you can play
Players can only have a single Random Deal each time they play. While there are no limitations on the amount of times a player can play throughout the day, each play will require you to line up again (i.e. play once then move to the back of the line). This is to ensure that everyone has a chance.

Number of metal tags
We’ve prepared a good amount of metal tags, but there is a finite amount for each day, so once the prepared amount for the day runs out the event will close.

To ensure that players coming on the first and second day have a chance to play, there will be separate amounts set aside for each day.

Reselling
The reselling of item codes is prohibited and we ask that you do not do this. In the event that reselling is discovered, the item code will become void or if the code has already been used the item will be taken away.

Also, in order to prevent reselling, the item code expiration dates have been set to a short duration.


We apologize for changing the bonus items after making our initial announcement, but we would like to create an event that a large amount of people can enjoy and welcome everyone after making the properly preparations.

and taht is not an in game bonanza

if they actually have a bonanza like we all got last years then you're totally right

[Camiie]

Ok so EU and NA get 1 Golden Gobbiebag I winner total. Japan gets 1 Golden Gobbiebag I winner in and of itself? I guess by SE reasoning that's fair. I guess you're going by total user population per region or something.

Why is the new Heroine's Battle access being so limited? I know I'll never win a R/M/E or pulse armor and I couldn't care less about ark weapons or that godawful moogle suit, but I would very much like to be able to do the new fight.

At least with the old Mog Bonanza one could guarantee themselves a Rank 5 prize by choosing their numbers properly while more than likely sacrificing a chance at higher tier prizes. Now, there's a good chance most of us will never see the inside of the new battlefield if this is the sole means of orb distribution. That's kinda screwed up.

I know I'm just shouting into the wind as far as the devs go and will probably be told in various ways to stop whining by my fellow posters, but it would be nice if we could all get Athena Orbs.

[Sarick]

may be wrong, but i think he talk about:


and taht is not an in game bonanza

if they actually have a bonanza like we all got last years then you're totally right

Again this still doesn't alleviate the distinct overwhelming differences between the quality/quantity of separate events. That is the main problem here.

They could easily made this event universal. NO LAWS ARE BROKEN and everyone gets treated the same.

Sell the players a level 10 bonanza sword and that would activate on a random enemy type when it's killed. Base types plant, vermin, beast, or aquarn. Once that is activated the item can be traded back for a prizes at a later date. This item would give 10 chances at a reward with at least one low ranking item.

Not a lottery at this point, it's a quest that can give good rewards.

If this was being done for all regions it would be balanced. (Unless some behind the scenes manipulation was taking place).

[Phafi]

I guess it was too much to give 1 rank 1 bag per server..? Going from like 40+ top prizes to 1 top prize is kinda eww.

edit: WHY ISN'T CAT'S EYE A PRIZE?!?!??!!!??!?!??!

[Zumi]

NA and EU will have separate prizes. NA gets more prizes because there is more NA players. Since Japan is actually getting to pick the numbers assuming they doing it the same way as last vanafest where people logged in to their website with their account info and picked the numbers not in game like the last live bonanza, there is a potential for there to be more winners. It doesn't really matter much at least you get an entry just by doing the survey which is better then nothing.

[Camiie]

It doesn't really matter much at least you get an entry just by doing the survey which is better then nothing.

Tanaka's Mantra: "Hey, it's better than nothing!"

[Sarick]

NA and EU will have separate prizes. NA gets more prizes because there is more NA players.

How are they getting more prizes? More players don't equal more prizes. If you enter a contest for a car and it says 1/5000 and only 500 sign up only one of those 500 will receive the car if they go by the number of participants. If they go by randomness entirely none of the 500 may get the prize. in this case its one entry per account.

Consider this, each account could have (I THINK) 18 content ID's. If doing the mog ticket system each of those id's could enter 10 times totaling 180 entry's. If the Japanese user base has the original event while the US/EU have the separate event no matter how you slice the pie a probability of 1/10 to 1/180 is by far a huge difference in the chances of a player winning.

If you get 180 tickets for a contest with multiple tiers vs someone else who gets only 1 ticket it doesn't take rocket science to calculate the person with 180 tickets has a higher chance of winning more prizes. I forgot to figure in the prizes on the US/EU are a fixed amount for a bigger audience. Looking at the Japanese, prizes aren't a fixed set amount, they have a smaller audience and they can get a lot more entry's per account.

I don't know how anyone can even compare the quality of the 2 events when looking at it in this detail. It's like racing a Yugo vs a formula 1 on a high speed track. One side has an incredible advantage over the other.


It doesn't really matter much at least you get an entry just by doing the survey which is better then nothing.

Sigh, exactly the same do nothing sympathetic mentality that encourages everything that's broken.

[Phafi]

Greetings!

As many of you seem to be curious about the status of the Nomad Mog Bonanza, I’d like to take a moment to explain the current situation.

The North America and European Community Teams have been working diligently preparing for the Nomad Mog Bonanza, but unfortunately due to changing times and differing global laws, we will not be able to hold a Mog Bonanza for NA and EU regions moving forward.

While Japan will hold the Nomad Mog Bonanza at VanaFest 2012, it will mark the final Mog Bonanza of Vana’diel. Furthermore, to make sure that our players in North America and Europe aren't left out, we will be holding a separate event where players will be able to win similar prizes (all the goodies from tier 1, tier 2, and tier3…plus a bunch of other rare in-game items), so rest assured we will be giving you a good opportunity to make all your Vana’diel dreams come true!

Also, even though the Mog Bonanza will be gone, we will be offering a different event for our end of the year celebration for a chance to win the items of your dreams!

We will be announcing the NA/EU event very shortly, so hang tight and look forward to it!

WHAT ABOUT MY RANK 2 DREAM COME TRUE (cause rank 1 sure isn't happening.)

http://i.imgur.com/OGErm.png

[Zerich]

WHAT ABOUT MY RANK 2 DREAM COME TRUE (cause rank 1 sure isn't happening.)

http://i.imgur.com/OGErm.png

here's hoping whoever won it, used it on a liberator
:)

[Phafi]

or something useful at least

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

NOTE

Words not appearing in the official "VanaFest Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway" announcement:
contest
lottery
random
drawing

The word Bayohne oh-so-carefully used (doubtlessly on the advice of counsel) was "competition." It is a "competition" to correctly answer a trivia question. That is how they're getting around whatever problematic lottery laws that are in the way.

[Zumi]

How are they getting more prizes? More players don't equal more prizes. If you enter a contest for a car and it says 1/5000 and only 500 sign up only one of those 500 will receive the car if they go by the number of participants. If they go by randomness entirely none of the 500 may get the prize. in this case its one entry per account.

Consider this, each account could have (I THINK) 18 content ID's. If doing the mog ticket system each of those id's could enter 10 times totaling 180 entry's. If the Japanese user base has the original event while the US/EU have the separate event no matter how you slice the pie a probability of 1/10 to 1/180 is by far a huge difference in the chances of a player winning.

If you get 180 tickets for a contest with multiple tiers vs someone else who gets only 1 ticket it doesn't take rocket science to calculate the person with 180 tickets has a higher chance of winning more prizes. I forgot to figure in the prizes on the US/EU are a fixed amount for a bigger audience. Looking at the Japanese, prizes aren't a fixed set amount, they have a smaller audience and they can get a lot more entry's per account.

I don't know how anyone can even compare the quality of the 2 events when looking at it in this detail. It's like racing a Yugo vs a formula 1 on a high speed track. One side has an incredible advantage over the other.



Sigh, exactly the same do nothing sympathetic mentality that encourages everything that's broken.

First off your confusing live Mog Bonanza with in game Mog Bonanza. In 2010 you went to the vanafest site logged in with your account info and picked 1 number. It doesn't matter how many characters you have you get 1 entry. There is no in game Mog Bonanza for any players this time around.

They are doing Live Nomad Mog Bonanza for Vanafest 2012
JP players go to the Vanafest site and they find this link below
https://secure.square-enix.com/enqt/e/NMB2012JP/html

It is to log in to the site and they pick 1 number for their whole account.

You can also see here on their site
http://www.playonline.com/ff11/event/vanafest2012/
Click the 4th tab which has Nomad Mog Bonanza in JP they have the same prizes.

The winning numbers get drawn at Vanafest. There could be 0 Rank 1 winners there could be 40 all depends on if a bunch of people picked the right 5 digit number.

However the US and EU players get to log in take a survey and get placed in a random drawing. We don't pick numbers. If not enough people enter which could be the case since there are a lot of FFXI players who don't read the SE site or forums then everyone could be a winner of some sort of prize.

Most likely the number of prizes allocated to US and EU players were based on the number of accounts in each region.

It might be easier for us to win a prize (if not many people enter) then the JP players. But people who attend Vanafest get the Mog Suit 100% so not like they getting nothing.

[Ophiuchus]

On top of JP getting an actual mog bonanza of which I don't really mind, probably the statistical chances of winning each tier are about the same, but I would have preferred to have a bonanza myself. The NA/EU tier 1 can get you a chance at a 90 relic/mythic/emp. WHILE the JP bonanza tier 1 gives a chance at a 99 afterglow ver of a relic/mythic/emp.... Not that I would win either or but come on SE............

http://www.playonline.com/ff11/event/vanafest2012/index.html

[Bayohne]

On top of JP getting an actual mog bonanza of which I don't really mind, probably the statistical chances of winning each tier are about the same, but I would have preferred to have a bonanza myself. The NA/EU tier 1 can get you a chance at a 90 relic/mythic/emp. WHILE the JP bonanza tier 1 gives a chance at a 99 afterglow ver of a relic/mythic/emp.... Not that I would win either or but come on SE............

The reason for the differences in the tier one prizes is due to the fact the Nomad Mog Bonanza functions just like previous Nomad Mog Bonanza event, in that you are allowed one entry and must choose your numbers. The chances of winning a tier one prize in the Nomad Mog Bonanza are quite low, as you must get every single digit correct. However, in the Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway, there is going to be a guaranteed tier one winner. Due to this, we selected the prize level accordingly. Hopefully this clears up the reasoning behind the differences in tier one prizes.

[Bayohne]

Ok so EU and NA get 1 Golden Gobbiebag I winner total. Japan gets 1 Golden Gobbiebag I winner in and of itself? I guess by SE reasoning that's fair. I guess you're going by total user population per region or something.
The Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway is the alternative event for NA and EU users that are unable to participate in the Nomad Mog Bonanza. There isn't a Japanese version of the GGG, as they have the Nomad Mog Bonanza.


Why is the new Heroine's Battle access being so limited? I know I'll never win a R/M/E or pulse armor and I couldn't care less about ark weapons or that godawful moogle suit, but I would very much like to be able to do the new fight. At least with the old Mog Bonanza one could guarantee themselves a Rank 5 prize by choosing their numbers properly while more than likely sacrificing a chance at higher tier prizes. Now, there's a good chance most of us will never see the inside of the new battlefield if this is the sole means of orb distribution. That's kinda screwed up.
Our goal is to give the orb out to as many players as possible in the future, and this giveaway is only the beginning of that. As for the "guaranteed rank 5 prize", as I said in a previous reply, this isn't a replacement for Mog Bonanza, and does not function the same way (users can purchase marbles with different digits to try and guarantee a rank 5 prize). In the future, we'll be evaluating how to give away the fun things that have been included in Bonanzas throughout the years (statues, event battlefields, etc.)


I know I'm just shouting into the wind as far as the devs go and will probably be told in various ways to stop whining by my fellow posters, but it would be nice if we could all get Athena Orbs.
You're not shouting in the wind - we're here. Hopefully my explanation above can give some insight into the thought process, but like I said, we'll be continuing to look for ways to get content like the Heroines' Holdfast out to many players.

[Vagrua]

The reason for the differences in the tier one prizes is due to the fact the Nomad Mog Bonanza functions just like previous Nomad Mog Bonanza event, in that you have are allowed one entry and must choose your numbers. The chances of winning a tier one prize in the Nomad Mog Bonanza are quite low, as you must get every single digit correct. However, in the Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway, there is going to be a guaranteed tier one winner. Due to this, we selected the prize level accordingly. Hopefully this clears up the reasoning behind the differences in tier one prizes.

The bonanza always had more than one tier I winner. 2011 had 39 (http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/mogbon/index.html)winners. 2010 had 58 (http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/95169-MOG-Bonanza-Winning-Numbers!)winners. What I'm trying to say is, could you guarantee at least 5-10 winners? Maybe it's asking too much. :/

I have a feeling there will be more than one JP player getting the lvl99 afterglow relic/emp/mythic compared to one of us only getting a lvl90 relic/emp/mythic.

[Zumi]

The bonanza always had more than one tier I winner. 2011 had 29 winners. 2010 had 39 winners. What I'm trying to say is, could you guarantee at least 5-10 winners? Maybe it's asking too much. :/

I have a feeling there will be more than one JP player getting the lvl99 afterglow relic/emp/mythic compared to one of us only getting a lvl90 relic/emp/mythic.

You can't compare normal Mog bonanza like from 2011 to Nomad Mog Bonanza which they had in 2010. Because in Nomad Mog Bonanza you get 1 entry number for your whole account. In the 2011 one you got 10 entry per character so there were so many more entries.

The Nomad Mog Bonanza 2012 for Japan they get 1 entry per account.

[hiko]

The bonanza always had more than one tier I winner. 2011 had 29 winners. 2010 had 39 winners. What I'm trying to say is, could you guarantee at least 5-10 winners? Maybe it's asking too much. :/

I have a feeling there will be more than one JP player getting the lvl99 afterglow relic/emp/mythic compared to one of us only getting a lvl90 relic/emp/mythic.

it's not a bonanza where you can buy up to 10 marble per char.

The reason for the differences in the tier one prizes is due to the fact the Nomad Mog Bonanza functions just like previous Nomad Mog Bonanza event, in that you have are allowed one entry and must choose your numbers. The chances of winning a tier one prize in the Nomad Mog Bonanza are quite low, as you must get every single digit correct. However, in the Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway, there is going to be a guaranteed tier one winner. Due to this, we selected the prize level accordingly. Hopefully this clears up the reasoning behind the differences in tier one prizes.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/event/vanafes2010/index.html?page=2

Application Restrictions
- Only one Nomad Mog Bonanza application can be made per Square Enix account.

[Thoraeon]

The reason for the differences in the tier one prizes is due to the fact the Nomad Mog Bonanza functions just like previous Nomad Mog Bonanza event, in that you have are allowed one entry and must choose your numbers. The chances of winning a tier one prize in the Nomad Mog Bonanza are quite low, as you must get every single digit correct. However, in the Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway, there is going to be a guaranteed tier one winner. Due to this, we selected the prize level accordingly. Hopefully this clears up the reasoning behind the differences in tier one prizes.

Mog Bonanzas have historically had 40+ rank 1 winners. Even if there is only 1 chance instead of the historical 10, there are much greater odds of more NMB Rank 1 winners than the single GGG Rank 1 winner. So why is it that the more numerous NMB Rank 1 prize is 99/Afterglow while the single GGG Rank 1 prize is 90?

[Kalilla]

On top of JP getting an actual mog bonanza of which I don't really mind, probably the statistical chances of winning each tier are about the same, but I would have preferred to have a bonanza myself. The NA/EU tier 1 can get you a chance at a 90 relic/mythic/emp. WHILE the JP bonanza tier 1 gives a chance at a 99 afterglow ver of a relic/mythic/emp.... Not that I would win either or but come on SE............

http://www.playonline.com/ff11/event/vanafest2012/index.html

The reason for the differences in the tier one prizes is due to the fact the Nomad Mog Bonanza functions just like previous Nomad Mog Bonanza event, in that you are allowed one entry and must choose your numbers. The chances of winning a tier one prize in the Nomad Mog Bonanza are quite low, as you must get every single digit correct. However, in the Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway, there is going to be a guaranteed tier one winner. Due to this, we selected the prize level accordingly. Hopefully this clears up the reasoning behind the differences in tier one prizes.
Bayohne, I think most of the concern is that the Japanese attendees of vanafest are getting "a chance" at the level 99 afterglow version, while no one else has been given that kind of opportunity before.

Yes the two events are different, but keep in mind that the event is restricted as well. Even if we wanted to we could not fly over there to attend the event, as we wouldn't be allowed to enter.

So when will other regions get a chance at level 99 afterglow weapons? This, I think, is the concern most people are having with the event. SE insisted on creating these weapons with such out of reach requirements obviously to give the weapon away at special events just like this. Will Japanese players be the only ones who ever get a chance at one of these fully upgraded weapons or will there be other opportunities in the future for other regions?

[Camiie]

The Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway is the alternative event for NA and EU users that are unable to participate in the Nomad Mog Bonanza. There isn't a Japanese version of the GGG, as they have the Nomad Mog Bonanza.

I see. I was thinking that the GGG would be the permanent replacement for the large-scale Mog Bonanza we're all used to having every so often. Instead it's just our version of the Vanafest event. Thanks for the clarification.


Our goal is to give the orb out to as many players as possible in the future, and this giveaway is only the beginning of that. As for the "guaranteed rank 5 prize", as I said in a previous reply, this isn't a replacement for Mog Bonanza, and does not function the same way (users can purchase marbles with different digits to try and guarantee a rank 5 prize). In the future, we'll be evaluating how to give away the fun things that have been included in Bonanzas throughout the years (statues, event battlefields, etc.)

I understand, and I look forward to these future methods. I would ask of the devs and whoever else is involved that whatever processes are created should be simple, elegant, and fair. Things do tend to get a bit convoluted and confusing around here sometimes as you can see.



You're not shouting in the wind - we're here. Hopefully my explanation above can give some insight into the thought process, but like I said, we'll be continuing to look for ways to get content like the Heroines' Holdfast out to many players.

My shouting in the wind comment wasn't directed at the reps. You're not the ones I take issue with. I'll just leave it at that.

[Chamaan]

I don't see why the rank 1 prize can't at least be a 99 weapon. Those aren't impossible to get, there are lots of them.

[Phafi]

Mog Bonanzas have historically had 40+ rank 1 winners. Even if there is only 1 chance instead of the historical 10, there are much greater odds of more NMB Rank 1 winners than the single GGG Rank 1 winner. So why is it that the more numerous NMB Rank 1 prize is 99/Afterglow while the single GGG Rank 1 prize is 90?

I was thinking it should be 1 rank 1 winner per server at least, but I am still more concerned about rank 2 not having cat's eye, as it's much more likely to win.

[Sarick]

However the US and EU players get to log in take a survey and get placed in a random drawing. We don't pick numbers. If not enough people enter which could be the case since there are a lot of FFXI players who don't read the SE site or forums then everyone could be a winner of some sort of prize.

Most likely the number of prizes allocated to US and EU players were based on the number of accounts in each region.

It might be easier for us to win a prize (if not many people enter) then the JP players. But people who attend Vanafest get the Mog Suit 100% so not like they getting nothing.

One side has an incredible advantage. Doesn't matter how you reply the facts are there in writing.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

The reason for the differences in the tier one prizes is due to the fact the Nomad Mog Bonanza functions just like previous Nomad Mog Bonanza event, in that you are allowed one entry and must choose your numbers. The chances of winning a tier one prize in the Nomad Mog Bonanza are quite low, as you must get every single digit correct. However, in the Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway, there is going to be a guaranteed tier one winner. Due to this, we selected the prize level accordingly. Hopefully this clears up the reasoning behind the differences in tier one prizes.

It makes sense!

[Milva]

It makes sense!
Nope.
Assuming EVERY player used to have at least 10 mules and bought 10x10 marbles for every account and we were getting 30-50 Rank winners this way, you are still looking at something like 2-5 JP winners getting lv99-2 weapons, whereas NA/EU are capped at 1 lv90.
I know my 'math' is oversimplified, but don't tell me SE didn't math JP bonanza in such a way that there's a good chance for one or more winners. Otherwise, why bother giving people false hope?

[Zumi]

Nope.
Assuming EVERY player used to have at least 10 mules and bought 10x10 marbles for every account and we were getting 30-50 Rank winners this way, you are still looking at something like 2-5 JP winners getting lv99-2 weapons, whereas NA/EU are capped at 1 lv90.
I know my 'math' is oversimplified, but don't tell me SE didn't math JP bonanza in such a way that there's a good chance for one or more winners. Otherwise, why bother giving people false hope?

Nope your wrong. You obviously didn't read the rest of the thread. JP players with Nomad Mog Bonanza only get 1 entry per account. It doesn't matter how many chars you have you get 1 entry total. JP players have to log in with their SE account info on the Vanafest website and pick 1, 5 digit number. There is no in game Mog Bonanza for anyone.

I believe there was something like 4 winners of rank 1 in the 2010 Nomad Mog Bonzana so taking into account that 75% of the player base can't participate, there you go about 1 JP winner should win, it could be more or less.

[Milva]

Nope your wrong. You obviously didn't read the rest of the thread. JP players with Nomad Mog Bonanza only get 1 entry per account. It doesn't matter how many chars you have you get 1 entry total. JP players have to log in with their SE account info on the Vanafest website and pick 1, 5 digit number. There is no in game Mog Bonanza for anyone.

I believe there was something like 4 winners of rank 1 in the 2010 Nomad Mog Bonzana so taking into account that 75% of the player base can't participate, there you go about 1 JP winner should win, it could be more or less.
I roughly took it into account by dividing 'normal bonanza' winnder numbers by 10 (30-50 --> 2-5). Also, it's more like 25% of player base can't participate in JP bonanza:
Last year's census - login peaks are during JP prime time (http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/development/census/09/index.html)
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/development/census/09/imgs/lg01.jpg
My guesstimation might be rough, but I doubt it's far from what SE envisions.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Nope.
Assuming EVERY player used to have at least 10 mules and bought 10x10 marbles for every account and we were getting 30-50 Rank winners this way, you are still looking at something like 2-5 JP winners getting lv99-2 weapons, whereas NA/EU are capped at 1 lv90.
I know my 'math' is oversimplified, but don't tell me SE didn't math JP bonanza in such a way that there's a good chance for one or more winners. Otherwise, why bother giving people false hope?

Don't know much about the bonanza in Japan this year, do ya?!

Random is random where the numbers are, 1000 people could win it or 0 people could win it.

Do you think in real gambling they "fix" it to make sure there is at least 1 winner?

PS. The nonsense on JP being 75% of the playerbase is just funny.

[FrankReynolds]

I roughly took it into account by dividing 'normal bonanza' winnder numbers by 10 (30-50 --> 2-5). Also, it's more like 25% of player base can't participate in JP bonanza:
Last year's census - login peaks are during JP prime time (http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/development/census/09/index.html)
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/development/census/09/imgs/lg01.jpg
My guesstimation might be rough, but I doubt it's far from what SE envisions.

I read that census as: login peaks are at the time when JP, US and EU players are all logged in at the same time.

[Muse]

The word Bayohne oh-so-carefully used (doubtlessly on the advice of counsel) was "competition." It is a "competition" to correctly answer a trivia question. That is how they're getting around whatever problematic lottery laws that are in the way.

Yes, and sadly, a few of us might not get our question right as it'll be about the Vanafest most likely.


We have prepared a special survey based on the events and announcements of VanaFest 2012 to be posted after the event. By filling it out and answering the “Gobbie” question correctly you will be entered into a competition where you could win one of many Golden Gobbiebags, each exploding with a variety of rare in-game items!

So for those of us that will miss some of the livestreams from Vanafest... We won't have a clue about what to answer, and won't be able to enter.

Will this event be SOLELY BASED on Vanafest? Or will the survey be over other things as well?

[Maahes]

Yes, and sadly, a few of us might not get our question right as it'll be about the Vanafest most likely.



So for those of us that will miss some of the livestreams from Vanafest... We won't have a clue about what to answer, and won't be able to enter.

Will this event be SOLELY BASED on Vanafest? Or will the survey be over other things as well?


Was wondering about this myself being in one of those pesky timezones that will make it difficult to view the stream



London
June 23, 2012: 1:30am ~ 9:00am
June 24, 2012: 1:30am ~ 8:00am

[Camiie]

Surely someone will post the correct answer as we all know the question is just a technical formality.