Arch-Omega/Ultima Armor

[Slycer]

This is a post mostly directed at someone from the community team to possibly refer to the dev team, but I'm also looking for ideas from other players.

A group from my linkshell just defeated Arch-Omega today and received a couple of his parts (foreleg and tail). The person who got the tail was after the Enif Gambieras, went over to Wilhelm in Mhaura and traded him his old dusted-off Homam Gambieras along with the Arch-Omega Tail, and, as expected, was rewarded with a shiny new pair of Enif Gambieras. Straightforward enough, as the Enif set is a pretty obvious direct upgrade of the Homam set (likewise for Nashira/Adhara).

Then, the person who got the foreleg from Arch-Omega went over to Wilhelm, interested in getting himself a pair of Murzim Manopolas - the new set with a few different jobs and different stats. He traded the Arch-Omega Foreleg alone to Wilhelm and received an extremely cryptic message indicating that it would have to be traded with another item acquired from Limbus. The message was something to the effect of... trade that to me with "other curious materials" that come from Limbus to be rewarded. I'm all for puzzles, but I'm not for puzzles when they involve sacrificing rare/ex items that can only be obtained once every few days at most. For example, one thought we had was that we would have to trade Omega's Foreleg along with Arch Omega's Foreleg to receive the Murzim. This could possibly work, but if it doesn't, we wouldn't be surprised if Wilhelm takes Omega's Foreleg, works his magic, and spits out a pair of Homam Manopolas (along with returning the Arch-Omega's Foreleg), wasting at least 3 days in the process, assuming we can split up enough to farm all the chips and kill Omega in the same day (AND be lucky enough to get the Foreleg).

If someone from the community or dev team can respond, can you either clarify this or possibly give some guidance as to whether we are thinking in the right direction?

Other players - any idea? We tried other random Limbus drops like ancient beastcoins and AF+1 materials to no avail. Really the only theory we have at this point is old Omega part + new Omega part.


tl;dr - How do we get Murzim from Arch-Omega parts?

[MarkovChain]

It's ok all the gear sucks. Might want to try to combine both neo ultima and neo omega drops too.

[Slycer]

Never mind, was figured out by XingCai on BG. In case anyone cares, you need a couple (two) Apollyon AF+1 materials to go along with the Arch-Omega part to get Murzim. Not sure if they have to be specific jobs or whatever, but it is AF+1 materials.

[Natenn]

It's ok all the gear sucks. Might want to try to combine both neo ultima and neo omega drops too.

What a moron, Enif Corazza is epic, and hands/legs are as well. Its a shame they dont have an ignorant filter on here :/ btw MNK is not the best DD, WAR/SAM SAM/WAR all day.

[Gokku]

What a moron, Enif Corazza is epic, and hands/legs are as well. Its a shame they dont have an ignorant filter on here :/ btw MNK is not the best DD, WAR/SAM SAM/WAR all day.
dieing a little on the inside but , you really cant call pchan ignorant then proceed to make an ignorant blanket statment right after. War monk nor sam are "best dd", war and monk are solid DD's. Sam is right up there with the rest of the 2handed dmg bonus classes.

All aside im actually curious if monk is even king of dot dps ( and to clarify i mean pure white numbers / attack rounds) im almost certain NIN would be top in the who hits the fastest in just terms of gear.

[Natenn]

no fight worth doing lasts long enough for MNK to be king of anything, its a nice DD but any non-gimp WAR and SAM will crush a MNK. And by non gimp i mean played the game before abyssea/has ukon or bravura/doesnt wear subpar gear, only reason ppl bandwagon MNK is because such high HP doesnt require skill to have a whm spam c5. And his train of thought is: MNK cant use any of this stuff? IT ALL SUCKS, and that my friend is pure ignorance. Next please.

[Gokku]

no fight worth doing lasts long enough for MNK to be king of anything, its a nice DD but any non-gimp WAR and SAM will crush a MNK. And by non gimp i mean played the game before abyssea/has ukon or bravura/doesnt wear subpar gear, only reason ppl bandwagon MNK is because such high HP doesnt require skill to have a whm spam c5. And his train of thought is: MNK cant use any of this stuff? IT ALL SUCKS, and that my friend is pure ignorance. Next please.

The first bold would imply the only fights you do last under 30secs to about 1mins ish, anything longer and war's DPS drops off slightly while sam's straight plummets. Sam does not have the DPS to maintian WS output / a WS that hits hard enough once buffs get factored in the inability to crit on WS and the reliance on overwhelm for DPS spike means sam needs a mob in 1 spot doing nothing else for 30secs to 1min for its dps to stay up.

Heres an example from my Prov static,*we have 100% win rate*. The one i have saved fight lasted 3:18 secs from start to finish, i had 175 Attack rounds on monk 158 hits 17misses 90.29% acc , it took a min to find a parse were we actually took a sam who had 53 attack rounds and 51 hits / 2 misses , we had about the same WS dmg avg but the sam dropped 20 shoha's /2 fudo and i dropped 12 VS's his avg was 1900 , mine 2100.

Pchans bitchyness about an event not having gear for monk or gear he can get with his triple forever alone boxing may make him ignorant , but your view on DPS and hierarchy is also ignorant your over crediting sam under-crediting monk and ignoring Drk's.

[MarkovChain]

What a moron, Enif Corazza is epic, and hands/legs are as well. Its a shame they dont have an ignorant filter on here :/ btw MNK is not the best DD, WAR/SAM SAM/WAR all day.

MNK is the best whatever you do, whm or not. Your other post seems to imply that other jobs than monk don't need whm to get cured - lol.

Also yeah the entire limbus gear sucks. Not sure why anyone would want to do this unless they are bored. You might want to argue why enif corraza is good cos if I had one I would toss it right away. A quick look at the other enif gear and honestly I don't see anything good. The entire mage gear is bullcrap as always. You can't have a new shiny extension and worthwhile content I guess.

[Natenn]

MNK is a good DD but it is certainly not the best, you will never beat out a proper WAR or SAM. And Enif Corazza is the best TP piece for PLD thats for sure, probably even most the jobs that can use it. Hands/legs best for flash

[MarkovChain]

Best hands legs for flash lolz.

[Demon6324236]

Best hands legs for flash lolz.

If enmity makes a return on being worthwhile as the devs make it sound like they are trying to then it would be very useful to cut down recast on flash, especially if they are trying to focus enmity on something different than only melee. However let me say for now, they are also best for Reprisal which I find to still be good for the block rate increase.

[Teraniku]

If enmity makes a return on being worthwhile as the devs make it sound like they are trying to then it would be very useful to cut down recast on flash, especially if they are trying to focus enmity on something different than only melee. However let me say for now, they are also best for Reprisal which I find to still be good for the block rate increase.

and you should always be using Palisade with Reprisal anyway to give you more chances to block.

[Natenn]

Cant keep them both up full time you derp.

[wish12oz]

MNK is the best whatever you do

This is entirely not true. MNK only has the possibility of being the best in low buff situations where the mob(s) youre fighting have low evasion and moderate to low defense.

[Mahoro]

Also yeah the entire limbus gear sucks. Not sure why anyone would want to do this unless they are bored. You might want to argue why enif corraza is good cos if I had one I would toss it right away. A quick look at the other enif gear and honestly I don't see anything good. The entire mage gear is bullcrap as always. You can't have a new shiny extension and worthwhile content I guess.

There are two great SMN pieces, so the statement "[t]he entire mage gear is bullcrap" is false. I already know what your next post will be of course.

[Concerned4FFxi]

There's a few pieces that can be used for a few jobs but on the whole all 4 sets are extremly disappointing.

I opened up my orginal limbus static, which includes myself, a partner, and my whm mule; to neo-limbus last week. I recruited a sch, brd, and 3 dd's. We cleared neo-omega's basement II for the first time 1/1 last week for his pop ki with 10 minutes to spare.

Upon recieving 0 drops from all three chests, and a review of the four sets of armour from the neo bosses, I was told that while everyone had fun, that only my partner and one DD will be returning.

This event was dead the minute it was launched because the gear sucks. In order to get people to do it, the gear has to provide more appeal than just to smn, or pld's. One can't except people to do content that other people are not willing to do because of poor rewards. The homam feet and hands should have been +5 haste, or +4 haste and 15acc or something. The stats are the worst conception in a long time, and NOBODY wants to do the content, so the few nuts like myself that want to are forced out because we can't fill our static to do it because everyone else sees it as junk, which it IS.

At least neo-einherjar has gear that grants war and other dd -49%damage taken, if they have d-ring and other gear items to complete their damage taken set. What SE was thinking by releasing neo-limbus gear, and postponing it at that, are a big WTF+LOL.

[MarkovChain]

Neo Einherjar is about as fail as Limbus, but it's not like people actually cared about that event anyway. Nothing was lost. Plus the 49% PDT thing is mostly useless. Isn't the real game done with perfect defense anyway ? I know I was made fun of when I suggested multiple SMN for PD zergs in legion when it came out, but I was proven correct lol. So when you prove me that an earth staff is not superior to a bazilion of useless junk that you never equip we can discuss the 49% PDT thing.

[Natenn]

You just mad MNK is only 3rd best DD. And like a wise man once said: 2 is not a winner and 3 no one remembers. You will not be remembered sir.

[MarkovChain]

≪Main Job Distribution (Level 6-99)≫

Ranking Job Percentage Change from 2011 Census ( ) denotes 2011 ranking
1 Monk 15.65% →
2 Warrior 13.88% →
3 White Mage 13.35% →
4 Black Mage 13.08% →
5 Red Mage 13.08% ↑（6）
6 Thief 12.89% ↓（5）
7 Ninja 2.40% →
8 Beastmaster 2.04% ↑（9）
9 Dancer 1.66% ↓（8）
10 Blue Mage 1.51% ↑（17）
11 Paladin 1.50% ↑（13）
12 Samurai 1.30% ↓（11）
13 Summoner 1.30% ↓（10）
14 Dark Knight 1.25% ↓（12）
15 Bard 1.23% →
16 Dragoon 0.94% →
17 Ranger 0.88% ↓（14）
18 Scholar 0.83% →
19 Corsair 0.72% →
20 Puppetmaster 0.51% →


MNK pretty much erased war this year again. Not sure what your 2nd DD would be ? SAM fanboy ? There are alrealy more sam than pups.

[Demon6324236]

MNK pretty much erased war this year again. Not sure what your 2nd DD would be ? SAM fanboy ? There are alrealy more sam than pups.

Again, blue procs, final limit break, random leveling everything to 99. This can easily account for the high amount of MNKs, same as WAR being 2nd, because its got red procs. WHM is 3rd, best healer & Hexa, BLM, best magic procer.

[MarkovChain]

People don't do abyssea anymore, this doesn't make sense at all.

[Mahoro]

There's a few pieces that can be used for a few jobs but on the whole all 4 sets are extremly disappointing.

I opened up my orginal limbus static, which includes myself, a partner, and my whm mule; to neo-limbus last week. I recruited a sch, brd, and 3 dd's. We cleared neo-omega's basement II for the first time 1/1 last week for his pop ki with 10 minutes to spare.

Upon recieving 0 drops from all three chests, and a review of the four sets of armour from the neo bosses, I was told that while everyone had fun, that only my partner and one DD will be returning.

This event was dead the minute it was launched because the gear sucks. In order to get people to do it, the gear has to provide more appeal than just to smn, or pld's. One can't except people to do content that other people are not willing to do because of poor rewards. The homam feet and hands should have been +5 haste, or +4 haste and 15acc or something. The stats are the worst conception in a long time, and NOBODY wants to do the content, so the few nuts like myself that want to are forced out because we can't fill our static to do it because everyone else sees it as junk, which it IS.

At least neo-einherjar has gear that grants war and other dd -49%damage taken, if they have d-ring and other gear items to complete their damage taken set. What SE was thinking by releasing neo-limbus gear, and postponing it at that, are a big WTF+LOL.

I agree with most of your post, and can't argue that ~85-90% of the gear is sucky. In our LS, we plan to do the event a few times to help the few people that want something cap out, and then move on to better pastures. I too do not know what SE was thinking here. This is not an event with longevity.

[Demon6324236]

People don't do abyssea anymore, this doesn't make sense at all.

Does it count only people who have leveled up MNK in the last year or over all time? Over all time? Then well it seems the past is just as relevant, also people still level MNK/WAR for blue/red procs because not every person in the game is actually done with it all yet.

[wish12oz]

People don't do abyssea anymore, this doesn't make sense at all.

Basing which job is the best on which is the most played doesn't make sense either.

[Khiinroye]

Basing it on what job is popular between lv 6 and 99 is even worse. 34.78% of the characters in that data can't even use advanced jobs. 66.22% are lv 75 and lower. Also, of the supposed 15.65%, the main job/subjob distribution chart shows 1.3% of that is mnk/war and mnk/dnc (combined), so the remaining 14.35% is other combinations, with mnk/nin being no more than than 0.44% since that's the lowest value listed on the chart.

The lv 99 job distribution is this, with mnk coming in at 8th:

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/guide/development/census/11/imgs/jb01.jpg

Anyways, back on topic, there is demand in my ls for some of the gear--upgraded nashira body for dark magic skill (and slightly more haste for drain/aspirs) and the new feet for smn in particular.

[MarkovChain]

That chart is not representative of what job is being used. People do have plenty of jobs leveled because it's abyssea but the other chart shows what jobs are used at a given time, so it's more representative overall. For instance lots of people have BST leveled because it can be useful sometimes (dynamis) while if you screenshot the server at a given time you will see much less bst and much more WHM in proportion.

[Khiinroye]

In the main job table:
21.94% of the characters are lv 99.
72.57% of the characters below lv 90.
66.22% of the characters are lv 75 and lower.
32.72% of the characters are too low level to use advanced jobs.
21.26% are too low level to be able to use subjobs.
This is very representative of what's good at endgame.


For those who want to discuss the gear (i.e. stay on topic), here are the stats so you don't have to go look them all up
Arch Omega gear:

Enif Corazza [Body] All Races
DEF:75 HP+45 MP+45 Accuracy+23 "Quadruple Attack"+2% Haste+3%
LV 99 THF PLD DRK DRG BLU

Enif Cosciales [Legs] All Races
DEF:49 HP+40 MP+40 Accuracy+6 Attack+6 Enhances "Fast Cast" effect Haste+5%
LV 99 THF PLD DRK DRG BLU

Enif Gambieras [Feet] All Races
DEF:29 HP+48 MP+48 Accuracy+6 Attack+6 Ranged Accuracy+6 Haste+4% Wyvern: HP+80
LV 99 THF PLD DRK DRG BLU

Enif Manopolas [Hands] All Races
DEF:30 HP+33 MP+33 Accuracy+5 Attack+5 Enmity+7 Haste+4%
LV 99 THF PLD DRK DRG BLU

Enif Zucchetto [Head] All Races
DEF:49 HP+35 MP+35 Accuracy+7 Attack+7 Magic Accuracy+7 Haste+5%
LV 99 THF PLD DRK DRG BLU


Murzim Corazza [Body] All Races
DEF:75 HP+53 MP+53 Attack+15 "Store TP"+6 Haste+4%
LV 99 THF PLD DRK RNG DRG COR PUP DNC

Murzim Cosciales [Legs] All Races
DEF:49 HP+36 MP+36 Ranged Accuracy+16 Ranged Attack+7 Increases "Rapid Shot" activation rate
LV 99 THF PLD DRK RNG DRG COR PUP DNC

Murzim Gambieras [Feet] All Races
DEF:29 HP+35 MP+35 Attack+12 Enmity+8 Haste+3%
LV 99 THF PLD DRK RNG DRG COR PUP DNC

Murzim Manopolas [Hands] All Races
DEF:30 HP+35 MP+35 Attack+5 Haste+4% Increases critical hit damage
LV 99 THF PLD DRK RNG DRG COR PUP DNC

Murzim Zucchetto [Head] All Races
DEF:46 HP+42 MP+42 Enmity-6 Haste+5% Automaton: Haste+6%
LV 99 THF PLD DRK RNG DRG COR PUP DNC

Arch Ultima gear:

Adhara Crackows [Feet] All Races
DEF:27 Magic Accuracy+3 Enhancing magic skill +8 Elemental magic skill +8 Summoning magic skill +8 "Conserve MP"+4 Haste+3%
LV 99 WHM BLM RDM SMN BLU

Adhara Gages [Hands] All Races
DEF:28 Magic Accuracy+6 "Magic Attack Bonus"+6 Enmity-5 Avatar perpetuation cost -2 Haste+2%
LV 99 WHM BLM RDM SMN BLU

Adhara Manteel [Body] All Races
DEF:63 Magic Accuracy+5 Healing magic skill +13 Dark magic skill +13 Blue magic skill +13 Haste+4%
LV 99 WHM BLM RDM SMN BLU

Adhara Seraweels [Legs] All Races
DEF:40 Magic Accuracy+4 Divine magic skill +11 Healing magic skill +11 Enfeebling magic skill +11 Enmity-3 Haste+3%
LV 99 WHM BLM RDM SMN BLU

Adhara Turban [Head] All Races
DEF:38 Magic Accuracy+7 "Magic Attack Bonus"+7 Enmity-6 Haste+3% Spell interruption rate down 20%
LV 99 WHM BLM RDM SMN BLU


Shedir Crackows [Feet] All Races
DEF:29 "Blood Boon"+3 Avatar: Enhances magic accuracy Enhances "Magic Attack Bonus" Increases "Blood Pact" damage
LV 99 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU SCH

Shedir Gages [Hands] All Races
DEF:28 Sword skill +10 Club skill +10 Staff skill +10 Divine magic skill +10 Healing magic skill +10 Enfeebling magic skill +10
LV 99 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU SCH

Shedir Manteel [Body] All Races
DEF:63 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 Magic Accuracy+5 "Magic Attack Bonus"+5 Haste+4% Potency of "Cure" effects received +3%
LV 99 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU SCH

Shedir Seraweels 99 [Legs] All Races
DEF:40 Enhancing magic skill +15 Elemental resistance spells +15 Enhances "Stoneskin" effect Enhances "Aquaveil" effect
LV 99 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU SCH

Shedir Turban 99 [Head] All Races
DEF:38 Magic Accuracy+4 Singing skill +4 Haste+5% Song recast delay -3
LV 99 WHM BLM RDM BRD SMN BLU SCH

[Natenn]

MNK pretty much erased war this year again. Not sure what your 2nd DD would be ? SAM fanboy ? There are alrealy more sam than pups.

You can't be this dumb can you? That chart shows jobs being used, because MNK is 100x more easy to play then WAR or SAM of course its gonna be used more, doesnt mean its the best, just means its the noobs job of choice for DD. Like i said MNK is a good DD and it is worth using. But the best? No, If you take the best gear/skill into account MNK will only be 3rd best in situations worth doing.

[MarkovChain]

Yea because war play style is totally different than monk lol. Engage > kill shit. The reason noone plays dark or sam is because they suck. AF3+2 is equally easy to obtain for all 20 jobs and is basically the best gear for all DDs still.

[Natenn]

Yea because war play style is totally different than monk lol. Engage > kill shit. The reason noone plays dark or sam is because they suck. AF3+2 is equally easy to obtain for all 20 jobs and is basically the best gear for all DDs still.

SAM is probably better the WAR, i just know their DMG output potential exceeds MNK.

[Demon6324236]

AF3+2 is equally easy to obtain for all 20 jobs and is basically the best gear for all DDs still.

...What? Nyzul gear, Ogier's gear, these are both good for DDs, not MNK, MNK is in light DD gear. Ogier's you get hands with +10STP, Nyzul gear has Haste & STP all over the place, WS damage+ in both of these sets, body for Nyzul & legs for Ogier's. AF3+2 might be good but best? No way, much better gear out there, just harder to get.

However, MNK? Yes, most MNKs will hang out in AF3+2 because with Black Belt you easily cap haste, there is no need to mix gear or attempt to hit the cap because your belt does all of this for you easily. Then again, there is surely better, I may not be a MNK but the Nyzul Body has got to be the best TP body for you with the DA/TA/QA I'm sure. Black Belt has +12% Haste giving MNK a wide verity of options for gear otherwise. This set (http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/265068) I made shows this, it caps haste, uses almost nothing AF for MNK, gives you a total of +22 Double Attack, +8% Triple Attack, and 3% Quad Attack, along with some nice attack & just a little accuracy.

Note:There is no need to tell me this set sucks or what not, I already expect it to suck because I was going off what knowledge I have of MNK gear when I built it, however I use it because I think it makes my point in this comment.

[Demon6324236]

SAM is probably better the WAR, i just know their DMG output potential exceeds MNK.

Might I ask, what damage do you go by? Weapon skill damage, damage delt by auto-attack, or overall damage? I wont lie MNK probably does pump out some of the biggest overall numbers because massive auto-attack amount with good WS damage.

[wish12oz]

AF3+2 is equally easy to obtain for all 20 jobs and is basically the best gear for all DDs still.

lol.........

[MarkovChain]

MNK gear.

AF3+2 body / legs / feet are unbeatable. Nohmkappa are unbeatble. Thaumas coat is worse than what it looks, multiple attack prevent each other to happen so IIRC it's ends up to be about equivalent to 15% DA. When factoring impetus and the attack/str/delay on the AF3+2 body thaumas is only good without impetus. Basically due to the state of the game your are unlikely to kill a mob outside impetus but even if you hapen to do it, AF3+2 body is almost has good as the combo thaumas head/body for TP.

Thaumas headpiece is actually the only worthwile nyzul piece for TP, other pieces are side grade for WS. Only toci's harness and ganesha mask are decent among VW ; toci being the best shijin WS gear (lol) and ganesha he best heapiece WS usually (unless using augmented shura / thaumas coat).

[Natenn]

Kogara SAM > Conq WAR > Ukon/Rag WAR > Amano SAM > Masamune SAM > Rag/Apoc DRK > Vere MNK.


All of these are better then MNK assuming all weaps are 99/best gear sets/person using them isn't dumb. So really MNK is 9th or worse in overall DDing, might move up 3 or 4 spots in situations w/o a brd, cor, or both but there is a 0% chance MNK is #1 DD because i assure you aftermath for Kogara/Conq is well above any # any MNK can put up.

[Demon6324236]

multiple attack prevent each other to happen so IIRC it's ends up to be about equivalent to 15% DA.

I think you thinking of Occasionally Attacks Twice and that type of weapon? Those conflict with your DA/TA/QA yes, Double Attack & Triple Attack do nothing against each other, it means overall you will have a 33% chance to attack more than 1 time, 3% chance it will be 3 more hits, 8% chance it will be 2 more, and 22% that it will be 1 more hit. Body is good however does not help TP gain much at all, I was talking about purely for TP gain itself with the extra attack being a bonus, where Thaumas is better. Legs are good as well, I am not sure if kick attacks add to TP, if they do then take off Calmecac put on Tantra+2 take off Ganesha's and put on Thaumas head, if not then again, not better for TP gain in general. To add though this is only for the Crit+ really, to stack on even more Double Attack you can go with Kacura Cap +1which has some DEX & Eva, but mainly provides +2% more Double Attack. How are feet better than Thaumas? DEX mainly makes up for the no +acc, the attack makes up for the no +STR, double attack makes it better for TP gain, I don't understand that.

[Shadowsong]

As much as I dislike Pchan, he usually isnt this retarded when it comes to his statements. Such a fanatic lol

[MarkovChain]

I think you thinking of Occasionally Attacks Twice and that type of weapon? Those conflict with your DA/TA/QA yes, Double Attack & Triple Attack do nothing against each other.

Obviously they do hinder each other...

[Demon6324236]

Obviously they do hinder each other...

You want to show me proof of it? In abyssea my RDM has roughly +45% Double Attack, 20% Triple Attack, my attacks reflect these numbers. Using OAT weapons with DA/TA do not work together well, they do conflict.

The gear set I gave you has no conflicting stats against multi-attacks.

[Monchat]

they obviously hinder each other ( cannot have tripple and double attack at once for example.), and tripple attack is checked before double attack. if you have 20% TA and 45% DA, your multihit rate with one hand is

0.20*3+0.80*0,45*2+0.80*0.55*1=1.76.

io its equivalent to 76% double attack, or 38% triple attack.

[Demon6324236]

Ok then, keep using your +2 gear and thinking its "basically the best gear for all DDs" I give up fighting with people about stupid shit like this.

Oh and by the way, if mixing the stats is as bad as you say, why do 90% of MNKs use Epona's, why is Thaumas Body hailed as one of the best pieces of gear for the jobs its available for, and why does Toci's mix these as well?

These are not detrimental to eachother, it is as simple as rolling a die, 1st is Quad attack, it doesn't land on 1 of the 3 out of the 100 sides that make you Quad attack, so it goes and rolls the next die, it doesn't land on 1 of the 8/100 sides for a Triple attack, so now it falls to the last die, if it ends up on a good side, Double attack occurs, if it lands on a bad side, nothing happens, its a normal attack.

[Natenn]

Because they are from Quetz

[Monchat]

Ok then, keep using your +2 gear and thinking its "basically the best gear for all DDs" I give up fighting with people about stupid shit like this.

Oh and by the way, if mixing the stats is as bad as you say, why do 90% of MNKs use Epona's, why is Thaumas Body hailed as one of the best pieces of gear for the jobs its available for, and why does Toci's mix these as well?

These are not detrimental to eachother, it is as simple as rolling a die, 1st is Quad attack, it doesn't land on 1 of the 3 out of the 100 sides that make you Quad attack, so it goes and rolls the next die, it doesn't land on 1 of the 8/100 sides for a Triple attack, so now it falls to the last die, if it ends up on a good side, Double attack occurs, if it lands on a bad side, nothing happens, its a normal attack.

for epona its easy nothing comes even close except accuracy rings when you need them. For bodys there is plenty of competitive options. Thaumas is a side grade outside of impetus and for specific builds

[Natenn]

MNK is a 9th ranked DD, get over it. All this crap you spew is just saving face, Thaumas coat is best TP piece.

[MarkovChain]

It is the best for BG gimplets like you.

[Shadowsong]

Good, Good. your BG hate sustains me. Also isnt your 3 year ban over by now? Come back and give us some lulz

[Alistaire]

Ok then, keep using your +2 gear and thinking its "basically the best gear for all DDs" I give up fighting with people about stupid shit like this.

Oh and by the way, if mixing the stats is as bad as you say, why do 90% of MNKs use Epona's, why is Thaumas Body hailed as one of the best pieces of gear for the jobs its available for, and why does Toci's mix these as well?

These are not detrimental to eachother, it is as simple as rolling a die, 1st is Quad attack, it doesn't land on 1 of the 3 out of the 100 sides that make you Quad attack, so it goes and rolls the next die, it doesn't land on 1 of the 8/100 sides for a Triple attack, so now it falls to the last die, if it ends up on a good side, Double attack occurs, if it lands on a bad side, nothing happens, its a normal attack.

They are detrimental to each other, because when you roll for quadruple attack and succeed, you don't also get to roll for a triple attack. So if you have 4% quadruple attack 4% of the time ALL of your triple attack and ALL of your double attack means nothing.

[Alistaire]

Good, Good. your BG hate sustains me. Also isnt your 3 year ban over by now? Come back and give us some lulz

It is over and he's already amusing/annoying the people on there.

[Demon6324236]

They are detrimental to each other, because when you roll for quadruple attack and succeed, you don't also get to roll for a triple attack. So if you have 4% quadruple attack 4% of the time ALL of your triple attack and ALL of your double attack means nothing.

And the other 96% of the time, my 4% Quad attack means nothing, so I guess I should use no multi-hit gear at all right?


It is the best for BG gimplets like you.

Then why even say its "basically the best gear for all DDs" when its not? You just want to twist your argument to try making yourself look better while you insult a group of people you dont like. And funny part of it is I have never even bothered with BGs forums, so if that insult is actualy ment for me at all, its pointless.

[Natenn]

It is the best for BG gimplets like you.

How did you make it past high school w/o getting beat up? lololol I've never posted on BG to begin with so your statement is just proving you spout off about stuff you don't know about, you only post here bc no one will cuss you out due to the fact its possible you can get banned for being too offensive.