Salvage profit and you

[Mittenz]

I have been wondering for some time about why people do not do salvage for profit much like a vast majrity of the server does dynamis. From my asking around I have found that most think that dynamis profitabilty is far better and salvage is not worth the time.

I figured I would post some information and seek out more information on what exactly people see making salvage once again viable to farm (at least until neo salvage comes out).

I am hoping this thread can avoid derailing/flaming and can stay on topic as this is mostly to spread and gather information.

Dynamis

In a typical dynamis run a person will average about 150 coins spread across 3 types of currency, this is true in both a group setting (150 per person) or solo (maybe slightly less than 150)

A typical currency price average on my server is about 6.8k per 1 currency or a little over 1M for 2hrs work (silly shells bringing the average down)

This assumes however optimal conditions (not an overfarmed time, decent proc speed, and no deaths/afk's)

At this time however currency prices (at least on this server) are slowing down do to a large abundance of people farming it to sell so prices are not guarenteed and it may take time to push it out without lowering your profit.

Salvage

One major issue with salvage is the fact that it requires 3 people to enter both the assault and salvage itself and this alone can be a big put off for people. However a positive to this is though is that 1 assault will last you 3 days and once inside its just those 3 and not those 3 and 30 others fighting over whos hippogryph it was you just provoked.

An average run of Silver Sea Remnents will net about 90 pieces (this does not include boss pouches) which are 15-20k each.

The optimal route in SSR for alexandrite farming is Hammerblow -> Powderkeg -> Gyroscopic Gears (Triple not single) Citadel Chelonian -> boss

This path guaretnees about 30 alex from single drops and 4 pouches that are 100% drop rate

This path takes about 1hr to complete possibly 70-80mins if you choose to farm the archaics in the first and west room on floor 3 for a few extra alexandrites

This being said its about 30 pieces per person which would range from 450-600k per person for about 80mins of work not counting the boss pouch which can add 50-99 alex to the run and is about a 1/3 drop chance.

Also note that this can be done duo (by either bringing a mule to warp out or DC) though I found farming AR as SCH/THF and a heavy DD to be better duo since we could easily clear that in 70mins and still get 60-70 alex

That makes this superiour to dynamis for time to gil wise unless dynamis is met with optimal results every time.

So I am wondering why less people farm salvage and more choose to farm dynamis or even still why people dont consider both. At what point would salvage become profitable enough to lure more players into doing it in its current state as a way to make gil as dynamis has become?

[Arcon]

Why wonder, when you can just as well keep it to yourself and profit nicely while keeping the Alex market low? Or are you a mythic builder and wanna encourage people to spam it so Alex prices drop? Not many people do it because not many people know it's profitable, it's as simple as that. And incidentally, it's profitable precisely because not many people know. By spreading awareness of it, it will cease to be.

Also 90 Alex/run without purse is exaggerated, average is at about 75. Can't tell me you get more than that, because I kill every mob that can drop Alex with TH6 or higher, so it's statistically impossible. Although my drop rate on the boss is also extremely low, maybe I just suck at Salvage somehow.

[Mittenz]

Doing salvage every day I can safetly say my average is indeed about 90 per SSR run (our low runs are 65ish) I dont know if maybe your unlucky with the pouches or perhaps you just are not tagging every mob/rampart (I have had bad experience doing the AE method of tagging large groups and more success with drops personally tagging each and every mob but this may just be random luck).

I am indeed a mythic builder hoping to stimulate a dead market but no I am not hoping for price drops as that would cause the market to once again die (making the event less profitable would be the worst thing to do at this stage ). I am simply wanting more supply to go into the market as there is very little supply to really even call it a market to begin with. At this time the supply is low enough that even if you bought all the alexandrites coming up for sale on Leviathan it would still take 3 months for 1 person to complete the mythic and I am certain I am not the only one buying them. So more Alexandrite coming into the market at this point would not cease its profitability it would stay stable probably for quite some time (unless neo salvage happens to start throwing alex out by the thousands per run).

[Monchat]

I've done salvage farming and dynamis farming a lot. salvage will not be worth it unless alex jump at 30k+ for a single. A solo run thf/dnc in SSR should yield ~50 coins on average not counting singles. And you wont kill everything (not the boss at least).

[Arcon]

I've done salvage farming and dynamis farming a lot. salvage will not be worth it unless alex jump at 30k+ for a single. A solo run thf/dnc in SSR should yield ~50 coins on average not counting singles. And you wont kill everything (not the boss at least).

Getting to the boss is harder than killing the boss with /DNC. With a mule to 2box you can clear everything. And people seem to forget they can do Dynamis and Salvage.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Fishing is more profitable.

[Byrth]

I make about 1mil/hr dualboxing Salvage, which is approximately what I get from Dynamis. I love the lack of competition, though. The downside is that you need 3 bodies to trigger entry.

[Reiterpallasch]

I just wish SE would remove the minimum entrant requirement to assault and salvage. Sure, the event might end up not being all that profitable when suddenly there's tons of alexandrite on the market, but mythics no longer costing 450-600 million gil wouldn't exactly be a bad thing.

[MarkovChain]

I have been wondering for some time about why people do not do salvage for profit much like a vast majrity of the server does dynamis.This being said its about 30 pieces per person which would range from 450-600k per person for about 80mins of work not counting the boss pouch which can add 50-99 alex to the run and is about a 1/3 drop chance.

Also note that this can be done duo (by either bringing a mule to warp out or DC) though I found farming AR as SCH/THF and a heavy DD to be better duo since we could easily clear that in 70mins and still get 60-70 alex



Because a single dynamis run will give you 6 marrows to split between 6. Aside from good players, the solo dynamis is still better and doesn't require 3 persons to enter ; now if you base your comparison on dual/tri boxing capabability, go brd/THF/mnk and suck less.

All solo run i've done in salvage (no dual box) have very slow progression, 70 coins is not possible on everage, the boss rarely EVER drops anything worth your time. Typically you get 50 alex but that's because you bothered clearing every dumb mob.

[Helel]

I have been wondering for some time about why people do not do salvage for profit much like a vast majrity of the server does dynamis. From my asking around I have found that most think that dynamis profitabilty is far better and salvage is not worth the time.

I figured I would post some information and seek out more information on what exactly people see making salvage once again viable to farm (at least until neo salvage comes out).

I am hoping this thread can avoid derailing/flaming and can stay on topic as this is mostly to spread and gather information.

Dynamis

In a typical dynamis run a person will average about 150 coins spread across 3 types of currency, this is true in both a group setting (150 per person) or solo (maybe slightly less than 150)

A typical currency price average on my server is about 6.8k per 1 currency or a little over 1M for 2hrs work (silly shells bringing the average down)

This assumes however optimal conditions (not an overfarmed time, decent proc speed, and no deaths/afk's)

At this time however currency prices (at least on this server) are slowing down do to a large abundance of people farming it to sell so prices are not guarenteed and it may take time to push it out without lowering your profit.

Salvage

One major issue with salvage is the fact that it requires 3 people to enter both the assault and salvage itself and this alone can be a big put off for people. However a positive to this is though is that 1 assault will last you 3 days and once inside its just those 3 and not those 3 and 30 others fighting over whos hippogryph it was you just provoked.

An average run of Silver Sea Remnents will net about 90 pieces (this does not include boss pouches) which are 15-20k each.

The optimal route in SSR for alexandrite farming is Hammerblow -> Powderkeg -> Gyroscopic Gears (Triple not single) Citadel Chelonian -> boss

This path guaretnees about 30 alex from single drops and 4 pouches that are 100% drop rate

This path takes about 1hr to complete possibly 70-80mins if you choose to farm the archaics in the first and west room on floor 3 for a few extra alexandrites

This being said its about 30 pieces per person which would range from 450-600k per person for about 80mins of work not counting the boss pouch which can add 50-99 alex to the run and is about a 1/3 drop chance.

Also note that this can be done duo (by either bringing a mule to warp out or DC) though I found farming AR as SCH/THF and a heavy DD to be better duo since we could easily clear that in 70mins and still get 60-70 alex

That makes this superiour to dynamis for time to gil wise unless dynamis is met with optimal results every time.

So I am wondering why less people farm salvage and more choose to farm dynamis or even still why people dont consider both. At what point would salvage become profitable enough to lure more players into doing it in its current state as a way to make gil as dynamis has become?

150 per dynamis is extremely low... We make over 600 with THF/DNC + BLU/DNC duo + mule (300 per person). The gil made from dynamis currency so far exceeds salvage that it's not worth it to do only salvage (if that's what you're suggesting). If you're suggesting doing both, well... duh, of course you can; you don't lose anything by doing both.

But, in answer to your question: less people farm salvage because the reward is so much less than dynamis. 60 minutes vs 120 minutes is somewhat irrelevant considering both events can only be done once per day. If you could spam them back to back, then it would be an interesting point, but you can't.

[Monchat]

Getting to the boss is harder than killing the boss with /DNC. With a mule to 2box you can clear everything. And people seem to forget they can do Dynamis and Salvage.

pretty sure its impossible to kill SSR boss solo as dd/dnc. because it regens back to full during charm ( and you lose 500+ HP each charm).

[detlef]

You just need to stick a dot on it right before you trigger BJ; it won't regen during BJ.

[Monchat]

yeah how do you do it as thf/dnc lol. not that it matters as the boss is a waste of time for coins farming it drops very rarely wven with high TH.

[Arcon]

yeah how do you do it as thf/dnc lol. not that it matters as the boss is a waste of time for coins farming it drops very rarely wven with high TH.

Viper Bite, I've done it before. And Boss only takes 10min to kill, and has a reported drop rate of > 25%. Assuming 75 average, that means roughly 20 Alex per 10min, meaning 400k/10min, meaning possibly the best reward/time ratio achievable solo in the entire game.

I make 2M average per run in Salvage. I get > 70 Alex almost every time (not counting Boss), 2box THF+WHM. It's very hard to get that much in Dynamis at all, especially with current prices. Even the reported 300 coins (which sounds greatly exaggerated, as most people will barely clear 200) is not as good with current prices on Leviathan.

[MarkovChain]

I have done it monk/thf solo. Get a few temp (potion type) from chests. It DOES regen to full but only charms after the last % you triggered previously. Like after its first charm it will charm again at 50% etc. Not really a problem because at 99 they go down very quickly.

[MarkovChain]

I make 2M average per run in Salvage. I get > 70 Alex almost every time (not counting Boss), 2box THF+WHM. It's very hard to get that much in Dynamis at all, especially with current prices. Even the reported 300 coins (which sounds greatly exaggerated, as most people will barely clear 200) is not as good with current prices on
Leviathan.

Way to misinform. It's 25% droprate with 50 coins average which means 250k on average.

Try THF+WHM on higher level dynamis mobs them come back to me. Last I checked dynamis mobs have been given forgotten items which greatly boost the profit in anyzone. 70 is lucky, not average. Salvage boss is not 400k for 10 min because you require to clear the previous floor's chariot, and as such, the correct door in GGII-room to pop it, as well unlocking your gear slots previously. Best thing you can aim is 10 minutes unlocking, 10 min to warp to CC floor, 10 min to warp to boss, 10 min to kill the boss with a 25% droprate. So it's more like 40 min with 50 coins average 25% of the time so 50 coins every 160 minutes ... /faceplam.

[Byrth]

It's actually 75 Alex average from a linen (50-100), and I regularly get ~80s with singles + cottons as THF+RDM dualbox in SSR (I kill all the gears/singles and any ramparts that link). Including Linens, my average number of Alex per run is between 90 and 100.

Also, runs take me about 70-80 minutes now.

[detlef]

Because I suck I typically take closer to the maximum allotted time in SSR. Anyway, you can definitely stick a dot on LAC before it goes into BJ mode and it will not regen provided that the dot does not wear. I generally stack Poison 2 and Bio 2 on it right before it turns and charms the melee. It really is easier to just get charmed than to try and kite it.

[Arcon]

Way to misinform. It's 25% droprate with 50 coins average which means 250k on average.

Wrong, as was pointed out before. 50 is the minimum, equal distribution to 100.


Try THF+WHM on higher level dynamis mobs them come back to me. Last I checked dynamis mobs have been given forgotten items which greatly boost the profit in anyzone.

How many forgotten items do you get? One of them equals about 2~3 coins (on Leviathan, 15~20k). That is not a great boost.


70 is lucky, not average.

No, 93 is lucky, which was my highest. 61 is unlucky, which was my lowest. Average from pouches is ~12, so you'd get 48 on average just from that. And the lowest I ever get pre-pouches was 23 (highest 41), so that alone will get you to 70.


Salvage boss is not 400k for 10 min because you require to clear the previous floor's chariot, and as such, the correct door in GGII-room to pop it, as well unlocking your gear slots previously.

Way to misinterpret. I never claimed to do Salvage just for boss. Your friend stated that the Boss isn't worth doing ("not that it matters as the boss is a waste of time for coins farming [..]"). All I said was that while you're in Salvage already, the boss is easily a good choice to do. When you're in Salvage and you've cleared everything and you're debating whether to kill boss or leave because it's a waste of time, you're passing up a 25% chance at at 1.5M gil.


/faceplam.

[MarkovChain]

50-100 on boss : 18 coins average.
4 NMs can drop their pouch, not 100% of the time : 10 coins average per pouch, 75% droparate on NM : 30 coins average.

That's 48 coins which you have to complete with gear killing at which point you are better off exiting and going to dynamis or limbus, because clearing every single gear is not only boring but also very random, not to mention lower fllor doors/gear drop less than CC floor ones.

Also the RDM NM itself requires an insane amount of time to pop with only a chance at dropping. So this one must be skipped to optimize your runs.

I calculated once that salvage will be worth doing when dynamis currently will go for 3k each and alex will stay at 20k.

Me and mdk, together with mules (mnk,thf,whm,brd) were doing 550 coins average in qufim plus 50 forgotten items. Sure prices have dropped a lot but it's still miles better than salvage.

And if you ever want alex for a mythic, the most clever way to do it is to leach cruor off plenty of mules and then sell chocobo blinker I hear, then buy alex..

[Byrth]

If you pick the right path in SSR, the cottons are 100% drops. 4*12.5/pouch (5-20) = 50 Alexandrite from cotton pouches average. I get about 25 singles per run average, maybe more. It takes me 70-80 minutes and only one person (me).

50+18+25 = 93


500 Currency * 7k each = 3.5mil
50 Forgotten * 20k each = 1mil

4.5 mil / 2 people = 2.25mil per person
2.25mil per person / 2 hours = 1.125 mil per person per hour from your Dynamis


93 Alexandrite * 20k each = 1.86 mil
1.86mil / 1 person / 80 minutes = 1.4mil per person per hour from my Salvage


They're a little closer to equal for me because I do Tav and forgotten items from there are still worth real gil.

[hiko]

50-100 on boss : 18 coins average.
4 NMs can drop their pouch, not 100% of the time : 10 coins average per pouch, 75% droparate on NM : 30 coins average.

That's 48 coins which you have to complete with gear killing at which point you are better off exiting and going to dynamis or limbus, because clearing every single gear is not only boring but also very random, not to mention lower fllor doors/gear drop less than CC floor ones.

Also the RDM NM itself requires an insane amount of time to pop with only a chance at dropping. So this one must be skipped to optimize your runs.

I calculated once that salvage will be worth doing when dynamis currently will go for 3k each and alex will stay at 20k.

Me and mdk, together with mules (mnk,thf,whm,brd) were doing 550 coins average in qufim plus 50 forgotten items. Sure prices have dropped a lot but it's still miles better than salvage.

And if you ever want alex for a mythic, the most clever way to do it is to leach cruor off plenty of mules and then sell chocobo blinker I hear, then buy alex..

then you end up with lot of gils and no mythic because nobody sell alexs. OP started this thread because he want other people to farm/sell alex so he can buy them. the <40 linen per group clearing NIUR bring into market are not enough if nobody farm salvage.

and unless you leveled several mules you can only do one dyna per day, but can do dyna=>salvage

[Mittenz]

then you end up with lot of gils and no mythic because nobody sell alexs. OP started this thread because he want other people to farm/sell alex so he can buy them. the <40 linen per group clearing NIUR bring into market are not enough if nobody farm salvage.

and unless you leveled several mules you can only do one dyna per day, but can do dyna=>salvage

Very much this, ATM I am sitting on near 100m and can't buy much for alexandrites at all because no one sells them to the point I bring in Gil faster than I can spend it.

@Pchan your math is also wrong the cotton pouches in SSR are 100% and they are 5-20 not 0-20 so it's 12.5 average or 50 per run (would think if you ran salvage as much as you say you would know this).

[Insaniac]

Why wonder, when you can just as well keep it to yourself and profit nicely while keeping the Alex market low? Or are you a mythic builder and wanna encourage people to spam it so Alex prices drop? Not many people do it because not many people know it's profitable, it's as simple as that. And incidentally, it's profitable precisely because not many people know. By spreading awareness of it, it will cease to be.

Also 90 Alex/run without purse is exaggerated, average is at about 75. Can't tell me you get more than that, because I kill every mob that can drop Alex with TH6 or higher, so it's statistically impossible. Although my drop rate on the boss is also extremely low, maybe I just suck at Salvage somehow.
75 is about the lowest I have ever gotten. I usually get 85-90.

[Monchat]

you've been lucky. I had runs with teh four 100% pouches give 5 coins or something... This actually happens a lot.

[detlef]

It balances out. Don't forget that despite the doom and gloom regarding linens, they do drop once in awhile. I think the lowest I've gotten in SSR is roughly 65.

[MarkovChain]

then you end up with lot of gils and no mythic because nobody sell alexs. OP started this thread because he want other people to farm/sell alex so he can buy them. the <40 linen per group clearing NIUR bring into market are not enough if nobody farm salvage.

and unless you leveled several mules you can only do one dyna per day, but can do dyna=>salvage

I thought it was clear that you are never going to get enough alex unless you use two server transfer of 10+ mules full of gil. It's basically insane to farm 30000 alex solo ( if you get 100 alex per run that's 300 runs).

Also while we are it, 30k alex is only 600k gil. That's like 40-50 marrows only, so you might want to try that instead.

[MarkovChain]

500 Currency * 7k each = 3.5mil
50 Forgotten * 20k each = 1mil

4.5 mil / 2 people = 2.25mil per person
2.25mil per person / 2 hours = 1.125 mil per person per hour from your Dynamis


93 Alexandrite * 20k each = 1.86 mil
1.86mil / 1 person / 80 minutes = 1.4mil per person per hour from my Salvage

.

I've beeen saying for 1 year that soloing dynamis is for losers. 2box+ or bust. Also you still need 2 other chars to enter salvage/assaults at will, so moot point. If you are really solo, salvage is impossible to farm anyway. If you have 3 chars then you can't enter more than one salvage a day too.

[Arcon]

75 is about the lowest I have ever gotten. I usually get 85-90.

Lucky you. Math says lowest is 20. Statistics say lowest is ~60. 50 from pouches is average. That means you're getting up to 50 before pouches? I already said I kill everything that drops Alex (except possibly one or two Ramparts on the third floor) and highest I've ever gotten was 42 Alex (just earlier today, actually, 184 total with purse). If you get that many you've hacked the JP button somehow.


you've been lucky. I had runs with teh four 100% pouches give 5 coins or something... This actually happens a lot.

It's an even distribution, 5-20, there's no rocket science there.

[Mittenz]

I thought it was clear that you are never going to get enough alex unless you use two server transfer of 10+ mules full of gil. It's basically insane to farm 30000 alex solo ( if you get 100 alex per run that's 300 runs).

Also while we are it, 30k alex is only 600k gil. That's like 40-50 marrows only, so you might want to try that instead.

if I were to server transfer a mule to EVERY server right now I would be able to buy a massive 3-4k which would pretty much be a massive waste of 200-300 USD. I dont think you understand gil cant buy what doesnt exist.

[MarkovChain]

I think you don't know that transfering 16 characters on a same ID cost the same price as one. How do you think most of the mythics get done ? If you have 2 characters you can transfer back the alexandrite without having to wait 3 months too.

[Mittenz]

Actually I do realize the price but I don't think you take the service fees into account on 2 accounts with maxed characters or maybe you have 600m to send to each server unlike most so you can buy out every server as it comes up without worry that the Gil you sent to that server and the inflation you will most likely cause. If I was factoring in $25 a character it would be much closer to the $1000 range.

Incase you don't feel like doing the math (13 base plus 16 for the mules for 29 x2 for 58 x2 for 2 months use so 116 plus 50 for the transfers for 166) let's also take into account I have to purchase another copy of ffxi and wait 3 months for the 2nd account to even be eligible for transfer. You could save I guess 16 by waiting to make the mules but even if you cut every cost your probably still looking at about $150 to do this

I will correct my previous price range though if everything works in your favor it's going to only cost you like 108 usd if you already have the 2nd mule the Gil to not worry about running out and can get back in 1 months time so it's more like 108-200

Also most mythics done now were completed or at least had a fair amount done when alexandrite was not as huge an issue because people were doing salvage. But this thread is about trying to stimulate the current alexandrite market not about spending real money to import a non existent product by trying to clear up some common misconceptions people have about salvage and it's profitability as an event.

[MarkovChain]

Is this were you take into account the price it would cost you to farm 30k alex solo ? Do I have to point out that in order to be able to solo farm alex you will NEED to pay for 3 different accounts everymonth for more than one year ?

[Mittenz]

Actually I have friends that are willing to take 5s to warp during the entrance to help me go or even go with me.

On top of this I think you are completely missing the point of this thread as its not about me solo farming Alex for the next year it's about getting people to look at the profit that can be made from it to get more interested in farming it on their own.

[Byrth]

It is my preferred way to make gil at the moment. Here is a guide:
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Silver_Sea_Remnants_Guide

[Damane]

i would do salvage for profit, if i could enter myself and only my mule. Sadly you need 3 peopel to enter savlage, and 3 people to get points for salvage permits... So yeah this kills it.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Perhaps if alexandrite was salable on the AH, market forces would more easily drive the price up high enough to the point where people would be willing to farm it for gil.

On the other hand, other than buying dynamis currency and alexandrite, is there really much of a point to gil any more?

[MarkovChain]

i would do salvage for profit, if i could enter myself and only my mule. Sadly you need 3 peopel to enter savlage, and 3 people to get points for salvage permits... So yeah this kills it.

This is why dynamis is miles better . Actually even if you tribox it's miles better. The claimed 75 coins average 1.5M for 100 minutes only (make it 2 hours since you have to get assault points too). A dynamis tribox is probably 300+ coins easily with 25 forgotten.

25 forgotten at 15k : 375k
300 coins at 7k : 2.1M

The end.

If you want to match dynamis the coins price must be so that

300*x+275k=1.5m => x=4k, so it's going to be in a loooong time, probably never.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Perhaps if alexandrite was salable on the AH, market forces would more easily drive the price up high enough to the point where people would be willing to farm it for gil.

On the other hand, other than buying dynamis currency and alexandrite, is there really much of a point to gil any more?

Skill up 110~150

[Arcon]

This is why dynamis is miles better . Actually even if you tribox it's miles better. The claimed 75 coins average 1.5M for 100 minutes only (make it 2 hours since you have to get assault points too). A dynamis tribox is probably 300+ coins easily with 25 forgotten.

25 forgotten at 15k : 375k
300 coins at 7k : 2.1M

The end.

If you want to match dynamis the coins price must be so that

300*x+275k=1.5m => x=4k, so it's going to be in a loooong time, probably never.

You're a liar and a fraud.

75 is average before boss pouch, which adds another 375k to the Salvage average.
You don't need to 3box, nor do you need to waste a friend's time. Unless you count the 5min it takes them to get to the gate, because that's all they have to do. And they'll never use their permit, ever.
One 10min Assault will last you three runs. However, if you wanna kill two birds with one stone, you may as well get Captain rank for your mule in the process. New Assaults will yield massively more AP and going to Captain once will be enough to last you for months of Salvage. I still have over 80k AP and entry costs only 500, all from when I did Captain back in the day. Since I started doing Salvage regularly I ranked her up to SP, only two ranks, and she never did Assaults before. I didn't do a single Assault with her in two weeks and she still has points left over.
It's not 100min, it's 90min with a RDM, SCH or WHM support, ~80min (or less, depending on skill) with BRD support. On a flawless run I can get in under 85min as THF+WHM.
It is infinitely harder to get 300 coins and 25 forgotten than to clear Salvage. You probably need a BST mule to achieve that.
Most importantly, it's not about "winning", as you can do both. If you don't think 2M average in ~90min is comparable to Dynamis you're completely out of your mind. Not that I'd be shocked, though.

[Mittenz]

This is why dynamis is miles better . Actually even if you tribox it's miles better. The claimed 75 coins average 1.5M for 100 minutes only (make it 2 hours since you have to get assault points too). A dynamis tribox is probably 300+ coins easily with 25 forgotten.

25 forgotten at 15k : 375k
300 coins at 7k : 2.1M

The end.

If you want to match dynamis the coins price must be so that

300*x+275k=1.5m => x=4k, so it's going to be in a loooong time, probably never.

I believe most here are in agreement that a run is more like 70-80mins also idk why you would be doing RvB every day or how that would take you 20mins (at most 10mins once every 3 days)

using your formula though lets do it this way

75*x=2.5m*0.625 which 75*x=1562500 where x now = 20.8k per alex (or pretty much what its at now) to be equal to time vs profit on your server

on my server its actually a bit less with currency prices in the decline (lost 1k in the last 3 weeks alone on some of them) where the average price is closer to 6.7k per piece with hundreds of forgottens left sitting putting those in decline (hopes alone have lost 15k in value in the last month)

for my server its

75*x=1490.625 where alexandrite only has to be 19,875 gil each add in the convinience of 3 boxing only to enter vs having to do it all the way through and its quite compairable or even more profitable than dynamis time and effort wise at current prices (and while alex currently maintains its level of value with ancient money dropping it will only be more profitable)

also this does not even take into account boss pouch so thats probably able to be even cheaper and still be equal to dynamis profits

edit: math with boss pouch 95 average assumed at a 25% drop rate with 80 (I like even numbers) average coins

95*x=1490.625 where each alex to equal to todays dynamis profits only needs to be actually 15,691 gil (so actual values probably about 16k each)

[MarkovChain]

You're a liar and a fraud.

75 is average before boss pouch, which adds another 375k to the Salvage average.

75 coins WITH the boss.


You don't need to 3box, nor do you need to waste a friend's time. Unless you count the 5min it takes them to get to the gate, because that's all they have to do. And they'll never use their permit, ever.


You do because you are required 3 characters to enter salvage unless you guyz found the super secret cheat that nobody ever heard of. There is no way you can ask 2 firends to help you in everytime you want to go, which is going to be everyday if you ever want to build money or alexandrites.



One 10min Assault will last you three runs. However, if you wanna kill two birds with one stone, you may as well get Captain rank for your mule in the process.

Ah so you also plan to get captain rank, which will take a good 4 months, without dualboxing ? You are not serious.



New Assaults will yield massively more AP and going to Captain once will be enough to last you for months of Salvage

What's this ¿ Captain ranks assault give less than red vs blu which is only slightly better than tier I golden salvage. Not sure why you would lose so much time doing the crappy assaults just for this.



It's not 100min, it's 90min with a RDM, SCH or WHM support, ~80min (or less, depending on skill) with BRD support.


Not much difference.Dynamis is nicely ahead.



It is infinitely harder to get 300 coins and 25 forgotten than to clear Salvage. You probably need a BST mule to achieve that.


I was getting 550 coins with maxed TH thief, MNK, WHM, BRD.



Most importantly, it's not about "winning", as you can do both. If you don't think 2M average in ~90min is comparable to Dynamis you're completely out of your mind. Not that I'd be shocked, though.

It's simple math and fact. To make you rage a little more, farming cruor is going to perform better that both dynamis and salvage.

[Arcon]

75 coins WITH the boss.

Boss gives an average of 18+ coins. Cotton pouches give an average of 50. That means you only get 7 Alex during the run? On average? Then you must suck tremendously, because the lowest I've ever gotten was 21, which was only a partial clear. Lowest I've gotten on a full clear was 25.


You do because you are required 3 characters to enter salvage unless you guyz found the super secret cheat that nobody ever heard of. There is no way you can ask 2 firends to help you in everytime you want to go, which is going to be everyday if you ever want to build money or alexandrites.

D/c on entry.


Ah so you also plan to get captain rank, which will take a good 4 months, without dualboxing ? You are not serious.

Why without 2boxing? And I offered that as an alternative, you don't have to do it. Your estimate was still way off. It's one 10min assault for every 3 Salvage runs (10min including getting tag and zoning), so add 3min average to your Salvage donation, not the 30 you did.


What's this ¿ Captain ranks assault give less than red vs blu which is only slightly better than tier I golden salvage. Not sure why you would lose so much time doing the crappy assaults just for this.

Getting to Captain rank means doing new Assaults. Assaults you do for the first time give higher AP on a win.


I was getting 550 coins with maxed TH thief, MNK, WHM, BRD.

That's four characters and two active DDs. You can't tell me you multiboxed them all? Salvage takes two characters and one active DD. If you weren't doing this solo, you have to split 550 coins by two, meaning 275 coins selling at 6.667k average on Leviathan, meaning 1.8M pre-forgottens.


It's simple math and fact. To make you rage a little more, farming cruor is going to perform better that both dynamis and salvage.

Why would I rage? I have nothing against alternate income means. In fact, that's what I'm suggesting to you, but you seem oddly averse to it, so much so that you make up random lies about it.

Question, how much do you, Pchan, not your LS or your party, make on average during a Dynamis farming run? In gil? Because my average in Salvage is just under 2M in just under 90min, meaning I get 370 G/s.

[MarkovChain]

D/c on entry.

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Are just an idiot ? In order to d/c upon entry, you sure need 3 characters.................... every frigging time that you want to enter, so you NEED to tripple box all of you run.




Getting to Captain rank means doing new Assaults. Assaults you do for the first time give higher AP on a win.


They also happen to give 500 AP total istead of 1k+.



That's four characters and two active DDs..

THF, being a well known fail job, doesn't require to be mained.


Question, how much do you, Pchan, not your LS or your party,

4 marrows every two runs, plus a few hundreds of coins just from farming pops, so make it ~20 millions per run since I'm duoing everything.

[Arcon]

Are just an idiot ? In order to d/c upon entry, you sure need 3 characters.................... every frigging time that you want to enter, so you NEED to tripple box all of you run.

No, you don't need to 3box any of the run. You just need to 3box the entry. Or ask a friend instead. It will only cost them 5min and they won't lose their permit, which is exactly what I said: "Unless you count the 5min it takes them to get to the gate, because that's all they have to do. And they'll never use their permit, ever."


They also happen to give 500 AP total istead of 1k+.

Wrong, all of them give over 1.5 AP, some over 2k. The bonus for doing it for the first time is 50%, and no Assault gives less than 1k AP with three people.


THF, being a well known fail job, doesn't require to be mained.

So whoever plays it is just chillaxing it? Or do you admit to 4boxing Dynamis?


4 marrows every two runs, plus a few hundreds of coins just from farming pops, so make it ~20 millions per run since I'm duoing everything.

If you're half as smart as you believe you are, you should know what I was asking. If you don't intend to answer just shut up.

[MarkovChain]

No, you don't need to 3box any of the run.

You do need 3 to enter and no, your friends are not going to enter you every time, they are not your slaves. So I stand to my point and you need 3 chars to make a pathetic 1.5 millions. There is a reason there no a alexandrite in bazar compare to currency, the reason is that salvage farming is fail money.



If you're half as smart as you believe you are, you should know what I was asking. If you don't intend to answer just shut up.

I've made 3 relics through coins farming I know my shit. I've also paid for 4 level 90>99 empy upgrades with coins farming so I know my shit. Although all this looks ridiculous now with marrows.

[Arcon]

You do need 3 to enter and no, your friends are not going to enter you every time, they are not your slaves. So I stand to my point and you need 3 chars to make a pathetic 1.5 millions. There is a reason there no a alexandrite in bazar compare to currency, the reason is that salvage farming is fail money.

a) Yes, real friends won't mind, especially considering that you can return the favor on their runs, as you can have one permit stored up, b) I did say specifically that you need 3 to enter, but entering with three and needing three to do the entire run with are completely different, c) if it's really 1.5M for you it means you don't know your shit and you just fail at it, d) there are several reasons for why there aren't as many Alex in circulation, main one is that not many people know just how profitable it is.


I've made 3 relics through coins farming I know my shit. I've also paid for 4 level 90>99 empy upgrades with coins farming so I know my shit.

And you still won't answer my question. Whatever. You've obviously made up your mind. I actually don't mind if people believe you. If they don't do Salvage it's less likely the Alex price will go down, which means more for me. So it's all good.

[MarkovChain]

"real friends" will help you do the 400 runs required to gather 30,000 alexandrites. Got it.