Blue Magic Set and Unbridled

[Agerknux]

I checked the Japanese forums and noticed Foxclon saying something in regards to the reason for the 20 spell limit and how Unbridled Knowledge came about.

Could we get a proper translation of the message?

Also I believe it was not addressed but is currently in discussion about Unbridled Knowledge's long recast. Currently all the spells tied to this job ability are mainly underpowered or broken. Wouldn't the recast make more sense if it was 2 minutes?
If not, the potency of these spells definitely need to be reexamined.

[Tennotsukai]

I concur, most of those spells, with the exception of harden shell, bloodrake, and absolute terror, are kind of sad.

[Prothscar]

Absolute Terror and Harden Shell are atrocious. Bilgestorm (DEF down that works), Gates of Hades (Substantial decrease in monster's magic resistance and nuking power), and Bloodrake are the only good ones, and "good" is being very liberal with the word, as all three of them are still rather miniscule in power due to effect durations or other issues. There's no reason for any of these spells to be on a 5min timer at the moment.

[SpankWustler]

What I can gleam from the Japanese post, given what I know about the shortcomings of both Google Translate and the Development Bros, is "We're not that good at making things thus we would have to summon a demon and feed it a virginal intern in order to make setting more than 20 spells possible."

They then gave some reasons for this or maybe talked about which moral weaknesses the demon needed has dominion over. This part is less clear since Google translate sucks and it's not an idea we've already heard a hundred dozen times.

Unbridled learning is mentioned towards the end. I assume this mention of Unbridled Learning was in the context of breaking the 20 spell barrier rather most Unbridled Learning spells being even more disappointing than being touched by my wiener.

[Agerknux]

Absolute Terror and Harden Shell are atrocious. Bilgestorm (DEF down that works), Gates of Hades (Substantial decrease in monster's magic resistance and nuking power), and Bloodrake are the only good ones, and "good" is being very liberal with the word, as all three of them are still rather miniscule in power due to effect durations or other issues. There's no reason for any of these spells to be on a 5min timer at the moment.

I agree, they are great, but not 5-minute-cool-down great.
Either UK will need to see a significant time reduction OR the spells themselves will need to see a very large increase in damage and utility.

[vixin]

Absolute terror isnt so bad to be honest when your in a solo situtation it lands alot only some mobs are immune to the sound based spell but its duration is 20 seconds pretty much dead on, over cap it comes in handy when is terro never good <abyssea, Vw>

[Neisan_Quetz]

Last I checked it doesn't land on weak NMs, so that makes it a bad Lunge.

[vixin]

if you fighitng a nm why would you want to use terror id be using bigle storm.. absolute is a minor spells for leser mobs at least that is where it shines better than any other UL spell since mp wise/duration.

[Neisan_Quetz]

20 second terror every 5 minutes on weak mobs... not sure why you haven't figured out why this is pretty pathetic.

[vixin]

you going to waste 269 mp "bigle storm" on a even match when it dies in 20-60 seconds or 20 mp to terror lock it? maybe you should figure that out?

[Neisan_Quetz]

I never said use Bilgestorm on EM and you're wasting MP on AT (and UK itself for what it's worth) for mobs that Lunge is more than enough to stun, is faster, can be cast more often for less MP cost. Try again. If you need Defense down on weak mobs you're better off using BT.

[Prothscar]

I wouldn't use Unbridled Learning at all on an EM unless for some reason I need the HP from Bloodrake. Absolute Terror is Absolute Trash.

[SpankWustler]

you going to waste 269 mp "bigle storm" on a even match when it dies in 20-60 seconds or 20 mp to terror lock it? maybe you should figure that out?

Sudden Lunge has an even lower MP cost and also damages the enemy in the process. This makes Sudden Lunge even more MP efficient than Absolute Terror. Also, Sudden Lunge can be cast more quickly because it is not tied to a Job Ability.

It doesn't have the long duration of Absolute Terror, but why would anybody need or even want that huge duration on the things Absolute Terror can affect?

For killing a bunch of weak enemies one at a time, the best Unbridled Learning spells would probably be Bloodrake used in the place of a healing spell or maybe even Harden Shell. Not that either of these is very useful, the mention of Harden Shell should give some indication of the level of usefulness in play, but at least they would have an effect on more than one fight.

[vixin]

there is no need to get butt hurt on AT , and "try again" lol no i dont so some mobs are immune to stun from headbutt/SL
ABsolute terror i always use sicne it alwasy last longer then SL on evenmatch-It mobs in Vw/legion/arch dyna lord i briing out bigle storm on mobs that need magic dmg i use GoH or thunderbolt if stun is viable on it.

using UL has not much prupose its more for higher level mobs from my experience so using it on down time terror for solo is pretty useful, for me harden shell doesnt seem worth it at all honesty but im sure some people have more use for it than AT so to each is own.

[Neisan_Quetz]

What weak mobs that are immune to SL that AT lands on, please tell me. AT resisted on Heqet and Guku when it was tested.

[vixin]

What weak mobs that are immune to SL that AT lands on, please tell me. AT resisted on Heqet and Guku when it was tested.


your kidding right ? or is that a stupid question for laughs?

[Neisan_Quetz]

I can't think of a single weak mob that warrants using AT on.

[SpankWustler]

I just don't want anyone getting the idea that any spell connected to Unbridled Learning is that good, more-so than anything about Absolute Terror specifically. For long-living enemies in the right situations, the additional effects on Gates of Hades and Bilgestorm can be helpful, but that's about it.

The icing on the cake is that Tourbillion, which would be the most useful Unbridled Learning spell due to its additional effect of 33% Defense Down, is currently broken and has somewhere between 0 and 50 magic accuracy.

[vixin]

all adminaots mobs are immune to suddne lunge behemoth mobs thnder base gharah theres more but i shouldn't need to list more than 3 examples.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Who is fighting adamantoise/Grah normal mobs, on a regular basis, and needs to stun them.

Behemoths aren't immune to stun from SL.

[vixin]

lol yes they are

[Neisan_Quetz]

I stunned Kaiser behemoth out of meteor just this week with it, so I'm going with no they are not.

EDIT: didn't really last long or probably it's pure coincidence then, but he was interrupted each time I did SL.

[vixin]

I stunned Kaiser behemoth out of meteor just this week with it, so I'm going with no they are not.

EDIT: didn't really last long or probably it's pure coincidence then, but he was interrupted each time I did SL.

ill belive you if you have a pic of that till then its immune.

[Neisan_Quetz]

And once again who is fighting these mobs on a regular basis and desperately needs to Terror them (highly doubt AT even works on King or Kaiser, didn't care to check kronzprinz's).

[vixin]

"who" you speak for yourself correct? and i belive i answered your question.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You pointed out old content and weak monsters you hardly need stun for in the first place so no you didn't list any monsters that you need to AT that you couldn't SL.

[vixin]

i pointed out mobs who resist stun, i also pointed out sl never last more than 12 seconds and for it to last 12 seconds its inconsistant , i also pointed out AL is terror and last always 20+ seconds
:edit: you dont think neo limbus salvage or eighier will have mobs immune to stun based but affected by terror , food for your thought.

[Neisan_Quetz]

And you still haven't proven AT is worth using, especially bringing up old content obscure regular monsters that only appear in one region such as Grah.



:edit: you dont think neo limbus salvage or eighier will have mobs immune to stun based but affected by terror , food for your thought.

So it might be useful months down the road on unknown monsters? I might as well rename AT Rdm then.

[vixin]

your stubborn and wont find a use for terror then fine its no good to you but its not trash fro everyone becasue you dont make use of it.

Harden shell imo is trash of all trash when coccon works just as good, i dont see myself call it trash fro everyone else though

[Neisan_Quetz]

How am I stubborn for pointing out the spell has virtually no utility, you say it's good on weak monsters, I ask which, you bring up monsters people don't really care to fight or only spawn in outdated areas? That's about as useful as evolith gear.

[vixin]

you should quote casue i nevre said weak mobs i said even match - Inc. tough mobs and i didnt say out dated areas i said mobs who are immune there are more to think else wise you must be lazy/shitty blu? lol and where did evolith gear come from you using it still ?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Since it flew over your head the first time, AT is as useful as Evolith armor. That means not at all because that's apparently too hard for you to grasp.

Needing AT for a 20 second stun... once every 5 minutes on NQ mobs... says alot about your Blu but that's just me.

[Prothscar]

How is this still going on? How bad at BLU do you have to be to realize that Sudden Lunge is infinitely superior to Absolute Terror, and that anything you might want to land Absolute Terror on is immune to its effects? Absolute Terror is nothing but a faster casting, somewhat longer duration, non-AoE, 5 minute cooldown version of Jettatura, which outside of being used for enmity building back in the day has always been useless. Absolute Terror is shit, there's 0 situations where it is applicable.

Also, for the record, behemoths are not immune to stun, they're heavily resistant to it.

Monsters that are immune or highly resistant to stun that terror would land on:

Thunder Elementals
Earth Elementals
Thalassinons
Pygmytoise
Thunder Based Ghrah
Thunder Based Empty
Nauls

All I can think of tbh, probably more however I can't recall them because I don't give a fuck considering that it's inconsequential to stun or terrorize these monsters to begin with.

[Tennotsukai]

was watching some vids on a blu pvp'ing. he used AT on others which would last more than long enough to bring them to zero. I've never pvp'd before, just thought of this being the only time I've seen the spell used other than showing it off. it wouldn't be too bad if it wasn't tied down to UL I'd imagine. I personally think we should argue less about this and try focusing on getting the attention of the Devs to fix our broken spells. barbed crescent and tourbillion in particular.... they're still broken right? why did they give us vapor spray?

[Prothscar]

Given that I've put in direct bug reports and posted about it numerous times on the forum, others have mentioned and posted about it too, I don't think they care, which is a shame, because it completely kills some otherwise useful spells.

As for Vapor Spray, all it is is a few MP cheaper, different element, different correlation heat breath. I.E.: It's pointless.

[Alikhat]

why did they give us vapor spray?




As for Vapor Spray, all it is is a few MP cheaper, different element, different correlation heat breath. I.E.: It's pointless.

SE's definition of the word 'balance', perhaps? Although I do remember there once being a poison effect that seems to have just been given up on.

It always seems the same with Blue Mage; some spells are highly useful and quite strong, whilst others fall short of remotely useful even in the most rare of situations. I think the most impressive spell I've seen is Sudden Lunge; that stun is crazy. Others that would be impressive don't work as they should, even if they 'work as intended'.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Tourbillion/Barbed, okay, it's useful so I guess making it useless like Ageha makes sense.

Vapor Spray and for an even longer time, Hecatomb Wave broken makes no sense as those two weren't exceedingly useful to begin with.

[SpankWustler]

Tourbillion/Barbed, okay, it's useful so I guess making it useless like Ageha makes sense.

The more things that turn up with this ridiculously low magic accuracy thing going on, the more I doubt the Development Bros' ability to have an ability. Either they enjoy literally useless things for very esoteric reasons or they're making horrible errors when adjusting additional effects and are not capable of fixing those errors.

I am not sure which of the two would be more depressing.

[vixin]

How is this still going on? How bad at BLU do you have to be to realize that Sudden Lunge is infinitely superior to Absolute Terror, and that anything you might want to land Absolute Terror on is immune to its effects? Absolute Terror is nothing but a faster casting, somewhat longer duration, non-AoE, 5 minute cooldown version of Jettatura, which outside of being used for enmity building back in the day has always been useless. Absolute Terror is shit, there's 0 situations where it is applicable.

Also, for the record, behemoths are not immune to stun, they're heavily resistant to it.

Monsters that are immune or highly resistant to stun that terror would land on:

Thunder Elementals
Earth Elementals
Thalassinons
Pygmytoise
Thunder Based Ghrah
Thunder Based Empty
Nauls

All I can think of tbh, probably more however I can't recall them because I don't give a fuck considering that it's inconsequential to stun or terrorize these monsters to begin with.

Are you upset becasue someone other than yourself makes use of AT?

[Neisan_Quetz]

We've been down this road before, kindly shut up already.

[Agerknux]

Wait a sec...


absolute is a minor spells for leser mobs at least that is where it shines better than any other UL spell since mp wise/duration


you going to waste 269 mp "bigle storm" on a even match when it dies in 20-60 seconds or 20 mp to terror lock it?


ABsolute terror i always use sicne it alwasy last longer then SL on evenmatch


all adminaots mobs are immune to suddne lunge behemoth mobs thnder base gharah theres more but i shouldn't need to list more than 3 examples.
All of a sudden we're talking about NMs comparing Sudden Lunge vs Absolute Terror?


you dont think neo limbus salvage or eighier will have mobs immune to stun based but affected by terror , food for your thought.
The content is not out yet. This holds no weight for AT.


you should quote casue i nevre said weak mobs i said even match - Inc. tough mobs and i didnt say out dated areas i said mobs who are immune there are more to think
First quote says lesser mobs. You never said EM-IT, you just said EM on the 2nd quote.


If I were to break down what you are saying. AT works well on EM-IT mobs(not NMs) where sudden lunge can not land and generally take 20-60 seconds to kill.
The monsters you list are

Adamantoise -- Only non NM are the ones in Tahrongi and they die in less than 20 secs and if I recall, are not EM until leveled up. They still die in less than 20 seconds anyway.
Behemoths -- There are no EM-IT Behemoths. They don't resist stun anyway, thus invalid example.
Thunder Ghrah -- Highest level mobs are in sea, where they are not even EM anymore. Other high level mobs are in abyssea where they are NMs thus making this another invalid example.
All 3 that you list don't fit into that niche use.


I don't know of a mob that lets absolute terror "shine". AT is in fact trash.

Prothescar list mobs that are immune and/or resistant and your only retort is

Are you upset becasue someone other than yourself makes use of AT?
Yet you have not put any valid supporting information to back up your claim.

[vixin]

maybe this got off the wrong track but people getting anal about UL spell's AT. We can all agree you dont need UL to solo anything and it only serves useful conditions right? What i was getting at when i solo exp what lil time i have to play during the day i dont really see the use of lovely biglestorm or thunderbolt, when the mob is goign to go down fast i rather terror lock it and get free attacks ws and by then its dead where it would of needed 2-3 sudden lunges to lock the mob. main point people said absolute terror is crap im saying its not, it more a solo friendly spell to mess with besides UL isnt 2 hour ja only 5mins theres no harsh penality for using terror for 5 mins when you dont need to over kill something

[Prothscar]

Why is it taking you 2-3 Sudden Lunges to kill an XP mob

[Reizen]

I always use AT when my friend got charmed.

This give me some time for /farewell + /jobemote blu + etc... and CDC her...

(was fun among friends, please don't do in random shout events)

[SpankWustler]

I always use AT when my friend got charmed.

This give me some time for /farewell + /jobemote blu + etc... and CDC her...

(was fun among friends, please don't do in random shout events)

Genius. A use for Absolute Terror has been discovered.

I disagree on the last bit, though. When you see a random bro wearing Shiva's Claws and an Unyielding Ring, the kindest thing you can do is swiftly put him or her down.

It just ain't right to let a simple beast suffer on like that.

[Prothscar]

Free CC lanterns woo!