Tidal Talisman, Voidwatch, Fifty Dollars And You

[Tsukino_Kaji]

So some of you may remember or even have a tidal talisman. This once handy little item here that was purchased from SE for $50.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/Tsukino_Kaji/TidalTalisman.jpg
Now with the advaent of voidwatch and it's many many warps there in, this item that people paid very good many for, has become all but useless. So I am stating thus; The Tidal Talisman needs some variety of update to regain it's usibility.
My suggestion an additional option where if you are not in one of the listed zones, it will work as a warp to send you to either your homepoint or home nation. I am not suggestion that it can do both and allow you to choose, but rather one or the other. This will make it a usable item again as every point that it can warp you to has a corrisponding VW warp. Aside from the now pointless Mhaura/Selbina.

[Krashport]

lol think before you buy. xD

[Bulrogg]

I thought you had to buy an item and you got that as an in-game item as well. Wasn't it an actual necklace?

That's better than the in-game item I got with my HORI clock.

Perhaps they could lower the recast like they did on some of the other transit items.

[Tile]

Tidal talisman was awesome at low Lvls warping whole party from jeuno to khazam for a jungle party. now i never use it.

the item that really bugs me is my Sol Cap. I got it cause i made my character way back in the day with a Gold World Pass. lvl 10 hat that gave Regen. nothing beat it. Then SE goes and adds Destrier Beret Lvl 1 gives regen/refresh, Auto RR, and Skill gain.

everytime i see one of them it feels like SE takes my Sol cap and takes a dump on it.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

lol think before you buy. xDIt was still an awsome item up until about 3 updates ago. Now it's a $50 waste of space.
I thought you had to buy an item and you got that as an in-game item as well. Wasn't it an actual necklace?You did, but that doesn't negate the fact that the ingame item has been rendered obsolete due to SE lake of forsight.
Tidal talisman was awesome at low Lvls warping whole party from jeuno to khazam for a jungle party. now i never use it.The closest thing I've seen to a jungle party since abyssea came out was me PL'ing people.

[Tile]

The closest thing I've seen to a jungle party since abyssea came out was me PL'ing people.

Well like i said, now i never use it. ever since they added ToaU to VWNM there has been no point. it was an awesome item back when it came out. think VWNM was the last nail in the Coffin.

think it was also the first gear piece that would Glow/Sparkle. but once again VWNM killed that.

[Economizer]

Now it's a $50 waste of space.

Event Item Storer can store it for you.


You did, but that doesn't negate the fact that the ingame item has been rendered obsolete due to SE lake of forsight.

Anyone who got it got several years of warps from it, and you can just store it. It also saves you 1000 cruor to use it, so that's another major point.

The Voidwatch warps aren't going away and I don't want SE to waste dev time adding new warps to an item that was supposed to be a gift for people buying some jewelry, especially since said items are no longer for sale.

At best it should have the teleport time reduced, probably to one hour, just like the WotG Retrace staves should have their time reduced to an hour since Retrace scrolls are now cheap. While we're at it Maat's Cap should probably have the warp time on it reduced to an hour too.

[Prothscar]

Calling it jewelery is being very generous.

[Bulrogg]

You did, but that doesn't negate the fact that the ingame item has been rendered obsolete due to SE lake of forsight.

That doesn't negate the fact that you got what you paid for and a nifty in-game item to boot.

If the Tidal Talisman needs any adjustment, let it be a lower recast on transit times. Anything other than that is wasting SE's time when it could be spent elsewhere. Less everyone that has ever gotten any in-game item as included with a purchase will want their {INSERT ITEM HERE} adjusted.

/sarcasm: On

"Hey SE, how about making my Satchel bigger since you're introducing so many situational gear items. Especially since you're not sending me a replacement token after the battery in mine expired and has become all but useless. (It's my 'token' FFXI token key-chain now.)"

[Luvbunny]

At best it should have the teleport time reduced, probably to one hour, just like the WotG Retrace staves should have their time reduced to an hour since Retrace scrolls are now cheap. While we're at it Maat's Cap should probably have the warp time on it reduced to an hour too.

Yup agree with you. There are so many useful items to warp/retrace you other than the scroll - but the recast time are ridiculous just like most things in the game. 120-180 mnts are more than plenty.

[Yinnyth]

I have to disagree with the basic premise of this thread for 2 main reasons:

First of all, I am and always have been opposed to the idea of the tidal talisman where you pay RL money for an ingame item (because no one in their right mind bought it just for the necklace). It's a nod to games like Maple Story where it's free to play, but if you want to have any fun, you have to pay MORE than you would for a real MMO like FFXI. It's a scam tactic, and it has a tendancy to scare intelligent people away from the game and attract more impulsive, less thoughtful players.

Second of all, the item can no longer be obtained. I made a choice years ago to not buy it because I knew it was only barely useful back then and that it would be nigh-useless years in the future, thus making it a poor investment.

You got what you paid for. I know it sounds harsh for me to say that, but it's the truth. You buy a car realizing that better forms of transportation will be developed over time. You don't go back to the dealer 5 years later and say "Hey, you remember that car I bought from you? It's not as fast or fuel-efficient as some of the stuff you make now, soooooo..... could you give me a free upgrade on my car?"

[Tsukino_Kaji]

You are greaviously incorrect on several things. FFXI never has, never is, nor will it ever be "pay to win" like you are talking about. This was no scam tactic, it was a one time deal for an incredible item. Much like all of those fancy items that only the JP players got, unless you wanted to fly to Tokyo. Additionaly, you should be sorry that you didn't purchace it, because over the years it ended up beaing extremely usefull on endless ocassions. It doesn't matter that it can no longer be obtained. SE has already proven that they are capable of and implementing updates on older items. This is no different. It was a remarkable travel item that was negated by, not a new form a transportation that was added with that intent, but by a battle system that is completely unrelated to that aspect. It simply has it's own warp system to make that battle content easier for people to play. The fact remains that SE has unintentionaly negated the usability of a fantastic item that they put a lot of work into and it needs to be adressed. To put it in the same terms you have, "there is no new car."

[Yinnyth]

To put it in the same terms you have, "there is no new car."

Not, "new car", "stuff". Like if 5 years after you buy your car, teleportation is invented and it kicks ass. It kicks so much ass, that it makes you feel like the car you bought is worthless because all you've been using lately is teleporters. Thinking back to how much money you paid for your car, you feel a bit cheated, so you look for a free upgrade to somehow make your car as awesome as teleportation, or at least more awesome than it is.

But that's not how it works in the real world. You'd have to pay for the upgrades to make your car into a teleporting hover-car. So would you be willing to shell out another 50 bucks to get a second necklace and an upgrade to your current tidal talisman?

Again, I'm sorry, but you got what you paid for. In business, it's generally considered normal that companies do not give you free upgrades to the items you purchase unless they actually claim before you buy it that they will upgrade it to keep it useful. So I can't imagine you bought this thing with the expectation that it would be useful to you for as long as you play the game.

[Llana_Virren]

So I can't imagine you bought this thing with the expectation that it would be useful to you for as long as you play the game.

That's not true! I'm still waiting for the day they upgrade my Empty gear!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Not, "new car", "stuff". Like if 5 years after you buy your car, teleportation is invented and it kicks ass. It kicks so much ass, that it makes you feel like the car you bought is worthless because all you've been using lately is teleporters. Thinking back to how much money you paid for your car, you feel a bit cheated, so you look for a free upgrade to somehow make your car as awesome as teleportation, or at least more awesome than it is.

But that's not how it works in the real world. You'd have to pay for the upgrades to make your car into a teleporting hover-car. So would you be willing to shell out another 50 bucks to get a second necklace and an upgrade to your current tidal talisman?

Again, I'm sorry, but you got what you paid for. In business, it's generally considered normal that companies do not give you free upgrades to the items you purchase unless they actually claim before you buy it that they will upgrade it to keep it useful. So I can't imagine you bought this thing with the expectation that it would be useful to you for as long as you play the game.Seriously? How is that even an argument for a nontangable item in a fantasy game. This is something upgradable, just because you can't see the value in an item dose not mean there is no value in the item. I'm sorry you couldn't get and use one for all of these year, but the fact reamains that SE created this with the intent for it to be used to it's fullest extent and then has unintentionaly negated it's very existance. It still needs to be adressed.

[Bulrogg]

Let them address the transit timer recast along with the plethora of other items that need their recast timers adjusted. Asking for anything else is just looking the gift-horse in the mouth.

[Divinius]

This was no scam tactic, it was a one time deal for an incredible item. ... Additionaly, you should be sorry that you didn't purchace it, because over the years it ended up beaing extremely usefull on endless ocassions. ... It was a remarkable travel item... SE has unintentionaly negated the usability of a fantastic item...

Holy crap, dude. Your whole post reeks of "desperately trying to justify to yourself the money you wasted" when you bought an (only marginally useful, even at the time) in-game item for $50.

I'd have no problem with a reduction in the reuse timers on it, but anything more than that is silly. Let it go, bud.

[Behemothx]

Very good use of dev. time, upgrading an item owned by what, 1% of the playing base?

You paid 50 bucks for an item that lasted 3 years, I think you got your money's worth.

[Phafi]

I'm butthurt because I didn't get a cool item several years ago and no longer can get one.

How do you feel about the Harpsichord, Stuffed Chocobo, Destrier Beret or the Spinet?

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

In every example, the in-game item wasn't intended as the central focus of the sale, but as a free bonus for buying something in the real world (pewter pendant, Vana'fest ticket, soundtrack album, etc.)

The worst offender would probably be the Destrier Beret, since many people ended up re-purchasing software they already owned in the form of the UCAE. But even there, the hat served no real purpose for such people (beyond vanity) because of the level cap; it was clearly aimed at new players, intended as a bonus for people buying the game for the first time.

(Even then, after spending $10 on the UCAE for the hat, I've found I've gotten a lot of use out of having newer reinstall media that doesn't date back to '04.)

If you really are treating the tangible product as a throw-away in favor of the virtual item, you either have more money than sense or need to reevaluate your life.

[Crawlerbasher]

The tidal talisment is fine as it is, I still use mine and its great for getting my friends across the sea's.

[Yinnyth]

How do you feel about the Harpsichord, Stuffed Chocobo, Destrier Beret or the Spinet?

The decorations and the item which makes the game more enticing for someone to pick up and play? I don't think you understand the core of this conversation, so I'll bring you up to speed. Guy paid 50 bucks for an ingame item and now wants it to be more useful than it has become. His investment has depreciated in value, as any intelligent person could have anticipated it would. Now he wants SE to spend their resources upgrading it so it's as useful as (or more useful than) it used to be.

I objected to this because I didn't like the direction SE was taking when they released all those pay-to-win items (T.T. and the 3 mini expansions), and because it is no longer obtainable. However, to be perfectly honest, if they upgraded the T.T. they'd probably start selling it again because that would be the smart thing for them to do. Hell, they'd probably just make a Tidal Talisman +1 and make it so even the people who already have the nq one have to pay for the new one too because that's how a company makes profits. It's also how a company irritates intelligent players who see through the money-grubbing attempt to exploit the impulsive nature of consumers.

[Llana_Virren]

It's also how a company irritates intelligent players who see through the money-grubbing attempt to exploit the impulsive nature of consumers.

I just play ignorance and throw gil at my problems.

Ignorance is bliss.

That, and chocolate.

[Phafi]

I don't think you understand the core of this conversation, so I'll bring you up to speed.

I understood it and support it as I have a Tidal Talisman.

[Divinius]

If you really are treating the tangible product as a throw-away in favor of the virtual item, you either have more money than sense or need to reevaluate your life.
And yet, that's exactly what virtually everyone who bought a Tidal Talismann did, regardless of whether they are willing to admit it to themselves or not.

[Eric]

lol @ whoever paid $50 for overpriced anal beads and an in-game item that was a gimmick to begin with.

I'm not against getting bonuses along with buying real life items, but at least I get continual enjoyment out of listening to the FFXI soundtracks. The actual tidal talisman was an ugly and pointless piece of crap to begin with.

[Agetos]

true, we did get what we paid for, but i still use it whenever the opportunity pops up, for me its still the fastest way to get to Nashmau to buy some trump card cases etc. and as a plus, i can annoy my friends and use it to their displeasure. also the quickest way to get to jeuno from any nation w/o running to an npc. after years of teleports i'd consider it a worthy investment. kind of like my old game boy color, it may not be the newest and shiniest way of doing things, but its still fun and easy to use. worth it.

[Krashport]

This is a pretty fast way to Nashmau see Fig 1.) (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110403131502/ffxi/images/c/c9/Nashmau_Earring.jpg), cause unlike the Tidal Talisman, you don't need to be in said area in order to use said item for teleportation.

Edit; Those earrings came out long before voidwatch, therefore VW teleports didn't affect the Tidal Talisman. I can only wonder why people didn't complain about the teleport earrings when they 1st came out. OP is very upset with VW so it seems. Yeah I agree VW can be a pain when drop rates are in involved, but VW did not kill the Tidal Talisman or make it less useful. It was dead when it first came out and we all know people just bought it to look pretty, all 9 of ya! ;)

Fig 1.)

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Not everyone dabbles in synergy.(And yes I am perfectly aware another person can craft it for you, that would still fall under dabbling.)

[Tamoa]

This is a pretty fast way to Nashmau see Fig 1.) (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110403131502/ffxi/images/c/c9/Nashmau_Earring.jpg), cause unlike the Tidal Talisman, you don't need to be in said area in order to use said item for teleportation.

Edit; Those earrings came out long before voidwatch, therefore VW teleports didn't affect the Tidal Talisman. I can only wonder why people didn't complain about the teleport earrings when they 1st came out. OP is very upset with VW so it seems. Yeah I agree VW can be a pain when drop rates are in involved, but VW did not kill the Tidal Talisman or make it less useful. It was dead when it first came out and we all know people just bought it to look pretty, all 9 of ya! ;)

Fig 1.)




All the teleport earrings had a 24 hour cooldown when released - i.e. they weren't that amazingly useful. That's probably why people didn't complain. Cooldown was lowered to 1 hour in May 2011.