can someone answer me this?

[Oricimaru]

Is it just my Server or is it all around? I go to VW namly as blu and i never get put in the pt with Cor's or Brd's. not that it makes a HUGE Differnce but still would be nice.

[Arcon]

As BLU you're expected to spam proc spells, first and foremost. And while otherwise a BLU's damage potential is pretty high, this is a great drawback, so it's better to put heavy DD in with BRDs and CORs.

[Sarick]

As BLU you're expected to spam proc spells, first and foremost. And while otherwise a BLU's damage potential is pretty high, this is a great drawback, so it's better to put heavy DD in with BRDs and CORs.

Excellent answer, I couldn't have said it better myself. *\(o.o)/*

[Tashan]

BLU is purely perceived as a proc job. It's wrong but that's how people view it and people play it.

You only need a single BLU to do procs and he/she should not be leeching by sitting around doing nothing. Especially, with these stronger newer mobs.

I find it incredibly frustrating, in particular those Blue Mages who are very well geared and refuse to nothing with it but sit and wait to proc. I've actually had someone argue that /BLM is superior to /WAR to be able to use elemental seal.

[katz]

Its all about people understanding what a BLU can do. Whiles I appreciate your point, its a fact of FFXI life mage jobs are treated back line jobs and as a BLU you should be more than capable of looking after your own needs. SO I say stand where you want to stand but dont look for others to help.

[Tashan]

I completely disagree with that Katz. Leaving a BLU unsupported in a party is ineffecient and discouraging.

Doing only Blue Magic procs is only a small proportion of the complete package the job can provide.

As a BLU I always push myself to do Sword and Club procs, as well as provide additional damage. But when I'm always the last person to be cured and have debuffs removed, or I'm being given double ballad because its what benefits BLMs even though ive asked for double march,
I don't feel like a respected member of the alliance.

[katz]

What I find amazing is, you disagree BLU should have the choice of where they stand? Why dont you think of the poor DRKS who are always pushed out and are way less supported than BLUs with their spell range..

[OniHavoc]

VW hates bluemages. In order to effectively do our job we need every last spell spot and set point. Setting proc spells alone is a huge impact on our ability to deal damage effectively. Not to mention the amount of time it takes for spells to reset. I always sub /rdm for vw because atleast then i can help cure and keep myself alive while i try to tp on the mob between procs. And to top it off blu gets no respect what so ever. Hard to blame people when all they see 90% of blu's wearing full empy gear and dual wield macc swords. It makes me want to cry :( . Needs more good bluemages and less close minded players.

[Tashan]

What I disagree with is your comment "don't look to others for help".

I have no pity for DRKs, it's an amazing damage dealing job that only got outshined by abysseas proc system.

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Theres most likely a problem with BLUs knowledge also OniHavoc. Your go to sub should be /WAR, not /RDM.

Maybe we need to start writing up guides again, although I'm not sure there's much of an audience for it.

[OniHavoc]

Your go to sub should be /WAR, not /RDM.

I would like to see your spell setup for /war which i do prefer to use myself but with setting proc spells for vw(which is what i was refering to) i dont have the space to set the needed jt's like dw3 /tripleatk /store tp plus healing refresh haste and a dmg spell or two. Most of the time your waiting for spells to reset and i find it extremely painful operating that much slower then i could be.

[Prothscar]

You're playing the job wholly inefficiently then. The difference between setting DD traits and setting as many proc spells as possible (4 elements max) is an average downtime of 6 seconds. Miniscule, as the damage and utility of a good BLU will far outweigh an extra average 6 seconds of downtime.

Further, Refresh is absolutely useless, damage spells are useless as well but you get several of them from setting traits, and haste is a part of DW.

[Tashan]

Lol I don't think I've ever been so happy to see Pro make a reply. My sanity is safe for another week,


I would like to see your spell setup for /war which i do prefer to use myself but with setting proc spells for vw(which is what i was refering to) i dont have the space to set the needed jt's like dw3 /tripleatk /store tp plus healing refresh haste and a dmg spell or two. Most of the time your waiting for spells to reset and i find it extremely painful operating that much slower then i could be.

It's all here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/20478-Blue-Mage-and-Voidwatch-Procing (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/20478-Blue-Mage-and-Voidwatch-Procing)

[OniHavoc]

Tash thanks that post will help me revise my spell setup for vw. And pro can you explain where your getting 6 seconds at?

[Prothscar]

Just going to quote myself because I'm lazy.


There's a total of 377 known proc items. 32 of those are BLU spells. That's an 8.5% chance of a proc coming up as a BLU spell. If you take 10 seconds to set the 3 or 4 spells associated with the element that's called, you get on average 0.085 * 70s = 5.95 seconds of delay compared to having every single one of those 32 proc spells set at once (which isn't possible by the way, at all). Even a poor BLU, I'd go so far to say a BLU without an Almace or any sword equipped even, will cut much more than 6 seconds off of a fight with their DPS.

[Tashan]

Hey Pro, I have a question:

Without CDC what is a BLU's best option for VW? Requiescat spam?

[Prothscar]

Yeah, Requiescat is our second best weaponskill by a decent margin.

[Afania]

Is it just my Server or is it all around? I go to VW namly as blu and i never get put in the pt with Cor's or Brd's. not that it makes a HUGE Differnce but still would be nice.

Honestly though, I think we should try to change ppl's POV when they make VW /shout pt, it's getting a bit ridiculous.

I don't mind sitting outside of COR BRD DD pt and let DRK WAR SAM MNK take the spot first, despite I sometimes run into DRK and WAR parsed less than 2% with BRD(without working on proc) and I parsed 9%~12% without COR BRD, but hey, it's PUG, you never know what type of DD you will get, so it is ok.

But then ppl started to put THF and NIN in DD pt, and BLU still sitting out....ok.

Then today I just joined another JP pt they put BLM in DD pt with BRD while I sit in mage pt, wtf.

Not that it matters, when pt still kills Qilin in few min, but I just don't understand why BLM THF NIN all got DD pt priority than BLU.

Maybe time to start asking PUG leaders to put BLU in DD pt when there are 2 DD pts and extra spot open.....