Moogle egg

[Crawlerbasher]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NZ7V_1W8BMw/T39w7Vl_2MI/AAAAAAAAEbM/sE4Wx1I1wBY/s800/pol%25202012-04-06%252023-36-25-15.jpg

So what is this for?

[Economizer]

So what is this for?


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対象エリア　その1：○○○○が頑張って掘りました！……結構、魚臭いです。

対象エリア　その2：グィンハム・アイアンハートが、ここで足を折った記録が残っています。

対象エリア　その3：○○○○火山に行く時は、ここからエスケプって懐かしくないですか？
　　　　　　　　　　　　　全く関係ありませんが、「コロスケ」はさらに懐かしいですよね
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Yeah, I have no clue what that says either without replying on an awful machine translation, but it looks like our Japanese friends are doing an egg hunt (I think I remember they were also getting some form of prize for it too).

There have been a few more of these things laying around you might have noticed, in towns (I think I remember seeing one stuck in an Auction House's window) and in dungeons. It is pretty clever and maybe next year we might see this as part of the egg event... it certainly would be a less frustrating way of getting extra eggs then relying on disrupting HELM with random eggs once per game day.

[Crawlerbasher]

looks like a fun event.
Shame its not a global event :(

[Yurai]

A Japanese player only event? That is really very disappointing.

[Dragoy]

Nothing new in region-X-only stuff in this game, though (like the recent moogle-stick thing).
I mean it's all good they do fun stuff for the players but I still think it should be for everyone, or no one.

It is disappointing to say the very least.

[Fusionx]

Seeing as how this is a contest with visual elements in the actual game, it's extremely disappointing to see that the contest wasn't also carried over to other regions. A screenshot caption contest or something like that is one thing, but when its in the game and players around the world are finding the items, it makes little sense to have it only be for one group of players.

Would love to hear the reason behind not having this contest available in NA and EU.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Seeing as how this is a contest with visual elements in the actual game, it's extremely disappointing to see that the contest wasn't also carried over to other regions. A screenshot caption contest or something like that is one thing, but when its in the game and players around the world are finding the items, it makes little sense to have it only be for one group of players.

Would love to hear the reason behind not having this contest available in NA and EU.

Didn't they already say they are restricted by laws for events in other countries, that's not to say they can't eventually do a NA and EU version.

[Fusionx]

Didn't they already say they are restricted by laws for events in other countries, that's not to say they can't eventually do a NA and EU version.

That's been mentioned in the past yes, but I believe it was more focused towards gambling type events ie mogbonanza

[Dragoy]

Yeah, the screen-shot caption and such aren't exactly happening in-game, but they're rewarding in-game items and being a collector, I just don't like that way of doing it. :|

I mean not that I would win anything, but when not even given the chance, it is disappointing.

As for laws and whatnots, sure, that I can understand when and if there are real-life items as prizes. But when the rewards are only in-game, this does not fly, at all.

Maybe that's just me, though.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yeah, the screen-shot caption and such aren't exactly happening in-game, but they're rewarding in-game items and being a collector, I just don't like that way of doing it. :|

I mean not that I would win anything, but when not even given the chance, it is disappointing.

As for laws and whatnots, sure, that I can understand when and if there are real-life items as prizes. But when the rewards are only in-game, this does not fly, at all.

Maybe that's just me, though.

But there is those laws. Not going into how many laws are stupid, but it's not the first time the laws have been questionable, doesn't change that they must be followed.

As a random note: a lot of laws carry over into MMORPG's it's not surprising these ones do as well.

[Kindra]

I would love for you to show us these laws lol. Not saying they don't exist, just wondering about these laws.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Just google (country) competition laws which FFXI is bound by despite being a game, and not rewarding real items.

[Godofgods]

Its a baby moogle!!!!!!!!

[Babekeke]

Its a baby moogle!!!!!!!!

From an egg... so moogles are repltiles, fish or birds, not mammals? I suppose they do have wings...

[SNK]

I saw one deep within Mamook also. I was wondering wtf that was about.

[Dafrabe]

Me and a buddy saw one by the Fay Spring in Grauberg [S]. Clicking it said it was part of an official forum event.

[Camate]

Greetings!

As many of you have noticed by spying a few eggs scattered about, our Japanese counterparts were holding an Easter Egg Hunt event via the forum in conjunction with in-game elements.

I understand that some of you may be disappointed that it was a Japanese-specific event, but please keep in mind that their event was no different from our previous contests which were for the NA region (for example, there was no “Most Interesting Moogle” or “Moogle’s Law” equivalent on the Japan side).

With that said, we are also planning on utilizing in-game content for future events as well, in addition to what we’ve been doing on the forums thus far! Hopefully that clears things up! :)

[Septimus]

From an egg... so moogles are repltiles, fish or birds, not mammals? I suppose they do have wings...

It is possible that they are Monotremes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotreme) like the platypus or echidna.

Who else thinks that this feels like a 21 and 24 conversation?


Greetings!

As many of you have noticed by spying a few eggs scattered about, our Japanese counterparts were holding an Easter Egg Hunt event via the forum in conjunction with in-game elements.

I understand that some of you may be disappointed that it was a Japanese-specific event, but please keep in mind that their event was no different from our previous contests which were for the NA region (for example, there was no “Most Interesting Moogle” or “Moogle’s Law” equivalent on the Japan side).

With that said, we are also planning on utilizing in-game content for future events as well, in addition to what we’ve been doing on the forums thus far! Hopefully that clears things up! :)

We can understand that it is an area-specific contest like the Most Interesting Moogle in the World, but you would be hard-pressed to say that a text-only contest is anywhere remotely near as cool as an in game event. Especially since the Egg Hunt has been pretty much the same since 2004. (Same mechanics, just new combinations of letters.)

[Malthar]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we NA's have Easter and egg hunts too? Why were we left out?
I can understand that in JP they might not have the "most interesting man in the world" commercials, so our event would be mostly meaningless to them, but Easter was not meaningless to us.

Sir, I am insulted and feel as if I have been biased against.

[Asymptotic]

I don't think the JP and NA community teams work together for event planning.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I don't think the JP and NA community teams work together for event planning.The JPs make thier own events and then tell us about it later.

[Alhanelem]

Greetings!

As many of you have noticed by spying a few eggs scattered about, our Japanese counterparts were holding an Easter Egg Hunt event via the forum in conjunction with in-game elements.

I understand that some of you may be disappointed that it was a Japanese-specific event, but please keep in mind that their event was no different from our previous contests which were for the NA region (for example, there was no “Most Interesting Moogle” or “Moogle’s Law” equivalent on the Japan side).

With that said, we are also planning on utilizing in-game content for future events as well, in addition to what we’ve been doing on the forums thus far! Hopefully that clears things up! :)
How about a ballista competition on the test server :D

[Camate]

How about a ballista competition on the test server :D

This would be awesome and I would like to work towards doing something like that in the future (trust me it has been on my mind!). I can't make any promises, but give me some time and I will see what I can do :)

[Savlyn]

How about real PVP?

[hideka]

How about real PVP?
youd rather wow PVP where everyone thinks their the hero and trys to solo the other team, while feeding them points? yea ill take organized PVP any day over random wanabeheros funkin up my PVP games.

im so sick of hitting a random Warsong gulch and having my team get stomped because some freaking Elemental shaman or warlock thinks they can Flag cary more effecively then a holy pally, an resto shaman, or a resto druid >_>

ill take FF11s petra system ANY day over most WOW BG's.

[Rohelius]

Any Guild Wars Competitive mission or PVP designated area in it beats WoW and FF put together in replayability.

In my opinion FF needs competitive missions not just random kills for epeen flaunting, I dont know about you guy but trowing a rock inside some lil tower is not really fun maybe escort defend a NPC carrying something would make for a more united team feel cus it makes the whole team work together for one goal.

The special individual medals can just go away, the system they use to issue them is not "Balanced" and fair for some jobs past lvl 60 cap so a more even exp/gil/w.e reward for the entire alliance would be far more suitable.

[Savlyn]

youd rather wow PVP where everyone thinks their the hero and trys to solo the other team, while feeding them points? yea ill take organized PVP any day over random wanabeheros funkin up my PVP games.


Yes, because of "real PVP" I was definitely referring to WoW.

/sarcasm off.

Is it possible for people not to rage over everything on this forum? "Real PvP" doesn't have to be WoW PvP. Hell, it doesn't have to be like any other game's. SE could make up a completely new one for all I care. As long as it's actually fun at a level higher than 60 cap and we can change gear without being penalized. Pretty much anything other than this current system would be a welcomed change.

[Alhanelem]

we can change gear without being penalized.This will not go away unless character blinking goes away, because the whole reason the penalty exists is so that you can't abuse blinking to make it hard for people to target you. (a better way of blocking this would be to simply block gear changes, so that people don't unintentionally switch gear and get hit with the penalty or have to make special macros just for ballista)

Besides, it comes with a simple work around: Build a stronger all-around gear set. instead of minmaxing on a per-action basis, for PvP.

Besides this, the pvp system only has three main issues:

-JA/spell/WS balance, mainly at higher levels (new stuff post 75 has not really been considered at all)- it's not terrible, but it could be improved
-Ease of access. the requirements to participate and the process of signing up and the schedule and such is rather cumbersome and deters more on-the-fence people from participating (people I sek tend to lose interest before they've even gained access to a match if they haven't already done the license quest)
-Lack of any real reward whatsoever (Gil only changes hands and isn't gained or lost, EXP is pathetic, and no item rewards, not even pvp-specific ones)

The gameplay itself of ballista is pretty solid and the party-based nature of the game lends to good team tactics and such.


In my opinion FF needs competitive missions not just random kills for epeen flaunting, I dont know about you guy but trowing a rock inside some lil tower is not really fun
You can make anything sound unfun by oversimplifying it. Like your idea for example:

" I dont know about you guy but followin some lil npc around is not really fun"

Maybe the objective seems... sanitized, to you- but whether it's 'some lil tower' or an NPC or undefined pixelized pieces of poo, the objective can be anything- it simply needs to be a device which drives teamwork- which the rook and petras achieve. You can't be a one man hero in ballista- you need to use teamwork to outscore the opponents. Ballista is portrayed as a sport because the three nations are not in direct conflict with eachother. To have PvP more like WoW or other games would require lore which creates a war or other conflict between the factions/cities/whatever that the players are part of.

[Kitkat]

Yes, because of "real PVP" I was definitely referring to WoW.

/sarcasm off.

Is it possible for people not to rage over everything on this forum? "Real PvP" doesn't have to be WoW PvP. Hell, it doesn't have to be like any other game's. SE could make up a completely new one for all I care. As long as it's actually fun at a level higher than 60 cap and we can change gear without being penalized. Pretty much anything other than this current system would be a welcomed change.

~snaps fingers~ darn, when you said real pvp the first thing that came to mind was padded armor, helmets and beating people with those foam bats >.> I'm disappointed now.

[Dragoy]

I just guessed Camate would be on the move.



How about a ballista competition on the test server :DThis would be awesome and I would like to work towards doing something like that in the future (trust me it has been on my mind!). I can't make any promises, but give me some time and I will see what I can do :)

How about something like as seen on Vana-TV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK4df9ImbK4), hmm? :p

Perhaps throw in a special SlowBrew mode, whatever that would be (as a side-note, that is what my first LS was, and still is called, and it was created many years ago before any Primeval Brews so it doesn't come from that).

You'll need Mayayamn for the commentary, though!

[Zubis]

This would be awesome and I would like to work towards doing something like that in the future (trust me it has been on my mind!). I can't make any promises, but give me some time and I will see what I can do :)

No items, Paladin only, FINAL DESTINATION.

[Evviva]

This would be awesome and I would like to work towards doing something like that in the future (trust me it has been on my mind!). I can't make any promises, but give me some time and I will see what I can do :)

/salute =)

[Alhanelem]

No items, Paladin only, FINAL DESTINATION.
Fark final destination! must play on Flatland

[RyujinSephy]

Greetings!

As many of you have noticed by spying a few eggs scattered about, our Japanese counterparts were holding an Easter Egg Hunt event via the forum in conjunction with in-game elements.

I understand that some of you may be disappointed that it was a Japanese-specific event, but please keep in mind that their event was no different from our previous contests which were for the NA region (for example, there was no “Most Interesting Moogle” or “Moogle’s Law” equivalent on the Japan side).

With that said, we are also planning on utilizing in-game content for future events as well, in addition to what we’ve been doing on the forums thus far! Hopefully that clears things up! :)

I think if all the players are supposed to share the same world then we should be sharing the same rewards. What is the difference of having "American Only" "Japanese Only" contests for the game, then getting upset at players when they do shouts for "English Only" "Japanese Only" parties? At least maybe if we are going to be seperated, have simultaneous events for each region? Ones that give the exact same rewards to the exact same amount of players. Does not have to be the same contest but something similar. Just seems doing them seperately and giving different things causes more problems then its worth and gives some people more reasons to want to segregate in the game. Just my opinion though.

[Alhanelem]

There's plenty of reason for contests to be localized- especially if prizes are being awarded, because of regional item avialability, they might not be able to offer the same prizes in the same regions at the same time. Thus it's up to each region's community team to come up with these events.

SE would be really stupid if they thought nobody would notice these things- that is why they'll be doing something else for us down the line. Who knows, maybe they figured NA interest in the forum game they came up with wouldn't be as high as with the JP forum community. After all, it was a forum game and people who didn't visit the forums, whether they be NA or JP, wouldn't have known about it.

If you wanted to, you could use Player Event Support to have your own easter egg hunt just like the one they had. That's why the eggs say "Moogle"- the GMs were just using the same system they use for the player events through the event support system.

[Rohelius]

This will not go away unless character blinking goes away, because the whole reason the penalty exists is so that you can't abuse blinking to make it hard for people to target you. (a better way of blocking this would be to simply block gear changes, so that people don't unintentionally switch gear and get hit with the penalty or have to make special macros just for ballista)

Besides, it comes with a simple work around: Build a stronger all-around gear set. instead of minmaxing on a per-action basis, for PvP.

Besides this, the pvp system only has three main issues:

-JA/spell/WS balance, mainly at higher levels (new stuff post 75 has not really been considered at all)- it's not terrible, but it could be improved
-Ease of access. the requirements to participate and the process of signing up and the schedule and such is rather cumbersome and deters more on-the-fence people from participating (people I sek tend to lose interest before they've even gained access to a match if they haven't already done the license quest)
-Lack of any real reward whatsoever (Gil only changes hands and isn't gained or lost, EXP is pathetic, and no item rewards, not even pvp-specific ones)

The gameplay itself of ballista is pretty solid and the party-based nature of the game lends to good team tactics and such.


You can make anything sound unfun by oversimplifying it. Like your idea for example:

" I dont know about you guy but followin some lil npc around is not really fun"

Maybe the objective seems... sanitized, to you- but whether it's 'some lil tower' or an NPC or undefined pixelized pieces of poo, the objective can be anything- it simply needs to be a device which drives teamwork- which the rook and petras achieve. You can't be a one man hero in ballista- you need to use teamwork to outscore the opponents. Ballista is portrayed as a sport because the three nations are not in direct conflict with eachother. To have PvP more like WoW or other games would require lore which creates a war or other conflict between the factions/cities/whatever that the players are part of.

Oh but i disagre. you Can be a one man hero in ballista.
You can come out on top even if your team loses just by scoring big in medals, and if you played long enough back in the day you know thats all it turned into.

Who played for the exp/gil reward? nobody...
Its all about diorama points and medals.

Maybe my idea needs some polish because it was off the top of my head, but it makes a lot more sense then the soccer game they make you play in ballista... oh wait in soccer at least you have a chance at scoring even if theres people defending the goal.... so it sucks more then soccer and its just as painfull to watch...

Okay maybe escorting & protecting a npc isnt your cup of tea, i welcome any sugestions from you or anyone that doesnt just want 1 million gil/cruor reward from it every match.
And who can see 'sport' & 'Lore' as the problem with adding a competitive mission when i have a floating furry butler at home that can bring my power down to lvl 1 at my own command... see what i did there?

[RyujinSephy]

There's plenty of reason for contests to be localized- especially if prizes are being awarded, because of regional item avialability, they might not be able to offer the same prizes in the same regions at the same time. Thus it's up to each region's community team to come up with these events.

SE would be really stupid if they thought nobody would notice these things- that is why they'll be doing something else for us down the line. Who knows, maybe they figured NA interest in the forum game they came up with wouldn't be as high as with the JP forum community. After all, it was a forum game and people who didn't visit the forums, whether they be NA or JP, wouldn't have known about it.

If you wanted to, you could use Player Event Support to have your own easter egg hunt just like the one they had. That's why the eggs say "Moogle"- the GMs were just using the same system they use for the player events through the event support system.

The game itself isn't what made people upset. It was the the prizes and not being able to obtain that prize. The Euro player base was very upset at the NA forum game and the JPN egg hunt game because they have been excluded from both and their community team hasn't done many if any exclusive events. The JPN game offered more chances at the prize which was something that also made players upset. But still that is the thing, the seperation like this just fuels the seperation that some players have for other players of another region. I'm just saying that to attempt to make things of equal playing ground the events should be similar with the same amount of prizes awarded and the same prize. Creating an in-game event is one thing that can bring joy to the player base if people are willing to participate, this much is true. But with the lack of a special prize such as those that can be awarded by SE themselves, you really think as many people would have wanted to participate?

[Babekeke]

Yes, because of "real PVP" I was definitely referring to WoW.

/sarcasm off.

Is it possible for people not to rage over everything on this forum? "Real PvP" doesn't have to be WoW PvP. Hell, it doesn't have to be like any other game's. SE could make up a completely new one for all I care. As long as it's actually fun at a level higher than 60 cap and we can change gear without being penalized. Pretty much anything other than this current system would be a welcomed change.

Bah I thought you meant REAL real PvP. Like get on a plane, and meet up fight club style. Finally getting our hands on those forum trolls ;)

[Urteil]

Yes, because of "real PVP" I was definitely referring to WoW.

/sarcasm off.

Is it possible for people not to rage over everything on this forum? "Real PvP" doesn't have to be WoW PvP. Hell, it doesn't have to be like any other game's. SE could make up a completely new one for all I care. As long as it's actually fun at a level higher than 60 cap and we can change gear without being penalized. Pretty much anything other than this current system would be a welcomed change.

I do higher than 60 cap all the time, and it is quite fun, perhaps its your server that sucks. Or you - I don't know, feel free to transfer and hang out with me, we can have lots of uncap fun.

The fun being had most notably due to being forced to maximize limited areas of ones performance for the situation at hand by using a specific set of gear for your single opponent or enemy team. Having the greatest impact on hybrid jobs (DRK my love, RDM etc) forcing them to sacrifice defense for offensive/utility options (not getting resisted.)



Rather than having say a Magical Sailor Scout Wardrobe bag that transforms me on command, it is quite fun and challenging to have to maximize 16 slots on the fly due to the situation at hand, your resources, your enemy's resources, your targets, what your avoiding, if your defending, scoring, or even dueling a specific job.

It is even more rewarding that this game (thank god) doesn't have separate spheres for PvP and PvE armor but that PvE works to give us great tools for any job. After conquering Provenance or raiding to get that amazing drop/ or using synergy to finally get that +5 resist silence augment, or in Void Watch (or whatever), you can then use your Sanis Enis(sp) or Ephemeron/Ogier's Breeches/Meikira Meikogai to maximize your build and augment your strategy to fight your human foes.

[Alhanelem]

It was the the prizes and not being able to obtain that prize.We get our own contests with our own prizes. It's fine.

[Sarick]

We get our own contests with our own prizes. It's fine.

This is the same mentality that resulted in segregation in the USA back when laws protected bigots. The government basically stated that it was okay to segregate people as long as facilities where made for both parties. It didn't work out because one side was always lower quality. Don't try and sugar coat this it's obvious that other regions don't get the same quality or respect as the Japanese player base.

Simply put there is no difference the end result is still a type segregation no matter how you post.

[Alhanelem]

It's no more segregation than all other regionalization that exists in the world of video games.

There is nothing wrong with region specific events. You can use demon words like segregation all you want, but I really don't see the harm in this. This isn't the early to mid 1900s and people aren't being directly indirectly punished by this.


on't try and sugar coat this it's obvious that other regions don't get the same quality or respect as the Japanese player base. In respect to events, I'm sorry but I don't agree. You and others are really getting panties bunched up for no good reason on this. Is a JP forum event telling people to find a certain spot in the game really a "higher quality" event than the more creativity-oriented events we've had in the past? Check out some of the awesome cakes, images, etc that people have created for NA contests in the past. The JP forum event was very static and uninspired by comparison. The only reason people are whining is because it involved doing something in the game. That doesn't automatically make it a superior event. When I consider this, I do not see NA players getting inferior forum events to the JP players and see no justification for the accusations of favoritism.

(Note that this is specifically in regards to the issue of this thread- There are other topic areas where I feel like there may actually be an issue like this)
People read way too dang far into things these days.

[Seiowan]

Moogles lay eggs? The mystery of Moogle reproduction has been solved! I always wondered how an apparently genderless species managed to populate Vanadiel in such numbers that every adventurer could have their own house Mog.

It's a good thing wyrms don't reproduce in such numbers or we'd be up to our eyeballs in Tiamat babies all looking for a tasty adventurer for their midday snacks...

[Sarick]

It's no more segregation than all other regionalization that exists in the world of video games.

There is nothing wrong with region specific events. You can use demon words like segregation all you want, but I really don't see the harm in this. This isn't the early to mid 1900s and people aren't being directly indirectly punished by this.

In respect to events, I'm sorry but I don't agree. You and others are really getting panties bunched up for no good reason on this. Is a JP forum event telling people to find a certain spot in the game really a "higher quality" event than the more creativity-oriented events we've had in the past? Check out some of the awesome cakes, images, etc that people have created for NA contests in the past. The JP forum event was very static and uninspired by comparison. The only reason people are whining is because it involved doing something in the game. That doesn't automatically make it a superior event. When I consider this, I do not see NA players getting inferior forum events to the JP players and see no justification for the accusations of favoritism.

(Note that this is specifically in regards to the issue of this thread- There are other topic areas where I feel like there may actually be an issue like this)
People read way too dang far into things these days.

With all do respect you missed the point entirely. I quoted when you said something about us getting our own events and rewards so everything is fine. The whole point is equality, everyone pays for this game even if they don't care about doing the special events they should have equal access. The damage control post takes a big dump on fairness by trying to candy coat things. This alone provided enough to prove a point. Based on the comment above where you think "People read way too dang far into things these days.", why did you even bother posting a response? It's simple ether you don't care about it or you do care.

Alhanelem, you seem like a reasonable intelligent person. You may not realize it but your first comment supports a passive aggressive/damage control of a type that defends unfairness. It is an insult to the intelligence of people who see things in a different perspective based on past experiences.

[Dazusu]

The whole point is equality, everyone pays for this game even if they don't care about doing the special events they should have equal access.

I don't remember that in the EULA I agreed to when I signed up to the game. If it was there, then maybe you'd have a case.

[Sarick]

I don't remember that in the EULA I agreed to when I signed up to the game. If it was there, then maybe you'd have a case.

What does the EULA have to do with this, I didn't mention legal obligations. I said "Should" I didn't say "is obligated." That makes a lot of difference don't you think? There's nothing wrong with someone having an opinion about making things equal in a moral sense. The problem is when someone who doesn't care plays devils advocate to candy coat an issue.

I did mention that everyone pays to play. In my opinion everyone who pays "should" be treated equally. It's true this company isn't obligated legally. They can easily cancel FFXI tomorrow and the players couldn't do much about it except, maybe request a small refund.

I'm simply trying to point out there have been a few concerns of bias in the past on these forums. A select few are constantly defending/making excuses in defense of backward thinking. In this case I assume people can understand that if it's such minor event why not give everyone the same opportunity in good faith?

See where I'm going here?

[Alhanelem]

Alhanelem, you seem like a reasonable intelligent person. You may not realize it but your first comment supports a passive aggressive/damage control of a type that defends unfairness. It is an insult to the intelligence of people who see things in a different perspective based on past experiences. ???
They're not being passive/aggressive, and they're not defending unfairness, because it's not unfair. If I agreed that it really was unfair, then you might have a point- but whether it's fair or not is a matter of opinion.

People are crying "UNFAIR!" because the JP's event involved finding an NPC they hid somewhere? Is that really so fun and exciting that whatever they might give us would automatically pale in comparison?
How about reserving some judgement for when the next forum event comes up before jumping to conclusions?


I'm simply trying to point out there have been a few concerns of bias in the past on these forums.Concerns are fine- prejudging and assuming what you think is the truth is not.

[Sarick]

???
They're not being passive/aggressive, and they're not defending unfairness, because it's not unfair. If I agreed that it really was unfair, then you might have a point- but whether it's fair or not is a matter of opinion.

oncerns are fine- prejudging and assuming what you think is the truth is not.

A question near the end of my comment was.


"In this case I assume people can understand that if it's such minor event why not give everyone the same opportunity in good faith?"

I think that sentence speaks for itself.

[Alhanelem]

They will be giving us our own event. We will get our good faith opportunity.

[Sarick]

They will be giving us our own event. We will get our good faith opportunity.

You said this as though it's fact.. Reminds me of this quote below.


Concerns are fine- prejudging and assuming what you think is the truth is not.

So we've come full circle. This reminds me of the next quote. >>


We get our own contests with our own prizes. It's fine.

The above quotes are relatively the same "It's Fine" opinion as the first quote. It's trying to make everything look pointless. That defense is flawed you said so yourself whats fair is a matter of opinion in a previous post. There is also blind faith that whats assumed is already fact.


People are crying "UNFAIR!" because the JP's event involved finding an NPC they hid somewhere? Is that really so fun and exciting that whatever they might give us would automatically pale in comparison?
How about reserving some judgement for when the next forum event comes up before jumping to conclusions?

Events are like movies, Transformers and Mission Impossible are both movies but they technically aren't the same. In this topic, the JP players had an egg hunt. Good faith is an egg hunt not a PVP or a cake baking contest. To classify these as equals is a matter of personal opinion. These can't truly be compared because they aren't really the same. Somehow you don't seem to understand this because from what I'm reading all events no matter what the content are the same and it doesn't really matter.

Alhanelem, The above quotes show how one sided this argument is when they're used as a defense. I've been rational about my reasoning. The players who are upset are because to them they've been excluded. You might not feel the same entitlement however, the comments you've made more or less imply that the other posters arguments are without value. This is apparently your only defense. From my perspective it's seems personal to you that people are upset and they obviously aren't being reasonable.

Let me finish by saying this. These players including me, have every right to complain. Being apathetic about the emotional side others express doesn't help the argument. It's a devils advocate playing damage control over minor details that can't cause harm by ignoring them. If you want to help just drop the "It's fine" attitude and let people be upset. The only thing you've managed to do escalate the issue by respectfully saying "SHUT UP PEOPLE". If this was something that you needed to defend like an in game nerf I'd be more inclined to understand your reasoning but, it's not.

[Alhanelem]

I have no intention of denying you a right to complain, but some complaints are reasonable, and some are not. I do not find that these complaints are reasonable.

There is nothing wrong with having different contests on a regional basis (as long as each region still gets a contest). The one expectation I would have is that the prizes of each contest have similar monetary value.

You also have to consider the community contests. For instance, while I was actively admin'ing FFXIclopedia before the founder's move to GE, we got a rather valuable prize to give away to the winner of our art contest (which SE supported). Community sites ask SE if they can support a contest, and because of this, you get many conetsts on our side of the pond that may be totally different and maybe even better than what you see in Japan. The reason the contests are different is because they are devised by different people. I really don't think there's much more to it than that.

Liiterally the only reason this thread even started was because the JP forum event involved finding something in the game, which an NA player happened to come across. If that egg wasn't there, we wouldn't be having this conversation. So it seems to me that people are truly more bothered about the fact that their event included something in-game (even though it was trivial and uninteresting), more than they are bothered about us getting different events, because nobody noticed this before now, and now we're suddenly on a holy crusade for equality.

Again, to avoid any confusion: This post and all previous ones are specifically in reference to this contest issue. There are true inequality issues elsewhere (e.g. communication) but their addressability in many cases is limited.


Good faith is an egg hunt not a PVP or a cake baking contest. No, good faith is giving us a contest, with a comparable reward. The nature of the contest itself is not relevant. If they gave us a "better" contest with a "better" prize, would you still be complaining? Or would your heart be pining for the japanese to get the exact same event as us in the name of equality?

I still think you are reading way too far into it. This is all I have to say- you really should wait and see what happens before passing further judgement.

[Sarick]

I have no intention of denying you a right to complain, but some complaints are reasonable, and some are not. I do not find that these complaints are reasonable.

Again this is a matter of opinion and your defense is based around what you think is reasonable.


There is nothing wrong with having different contests on a regional basis (as long as each region still gets a contest). The one expectation I would have is that the prizes of each contest have similar monetary value.

Again this is a matter of opinion and your defense is it's okay if each region still gets a contest. My last post gave a prime example why events and contest can't be judged on the same level. The statement I made about movies is not an opinion it's a fact that they can never be totally equivalent.

The excuse "contests are different is because they are devised by different people." doesn't matter. If it can be done for one party it can be done for the other.


Liiterally the only reason this thread even started was because the JP forum event involved finding something in the game, which an NA player happened to come across. If that egg wasn't there, we wouldn't be having this conversation. So it seems to me that people are truly more bothered about the fact that their event included something in-game (even though it was trivial and uninteresting), more than they are bothered about us getting different events, because nobody noticed this before now, and now we're suddenly on a holy crusade for equality.

Every crusade needs two sides.


Again, to avoid any confusion: This post and all previous ones are specifically in reference to this contest issue. There are true inequality issues elsewhere (e.g. communication) but their addressability in many cases is limited.

This is an excuse translators are available full time. This is 2012 not the 1900's where school was just an option. In Japan for instance most of the schools teach English as a requirement. These requirements have been mandatory for several years. English isn't as rare in Japan as you think, most people aren't aware of this.


No, good faith is giving us a contest, with a comparable reward. The nature of the contest itself is not relevant. If they gave us a "better" contest with a "better" prize, would you still be complaining? Or would your heart be pining for the japanese to get the exact same event as us in the name of equality?

Again your trying to compare different contest and events. "You can't really compare two different things sometimes. If you tell someone lets go watch a movie the first thing they'll ask is what type of movie or the name of the movie. It's not because they don't like movies it's because the term movie is a generalization.

Like you said "holy crusade", if they complained you bet your bottom I'd be cheering them on if I was aware.


I still think you are reading way too far into it. This is all I have to say- you really should wait and see what happens before passing further judgement.

I've seen what happens, the play online still shows Valkyrie Profile II in the advertisements with available in stores now on PS2. You're telling me to wait? If people don't complain then most of the time things don't get acknowledged. Think about what your defending for a moment and the nature behind it. You've chosen to tell everyone don't worry about it, everything is okay, or let's see what happens. Honestly, you've done more to escalate this conversation then anyone complaining by playing damage control. If it's not a big deal why are you still defending your side? Your argument should be able to defend itself if the complaints are so unreasonable?

[Alhanelem]

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w281/XXMetalYoshi38XX/400px-Trollface.jpgThis picture expresses better than words what you are doing in this thread.

[Sarick]

This picture expresses better than words what you are doing in this thread.

I must admit that post made me laugh my rear off. Not in a disrespectful or arrogant manner towards you it was actually quite funny. I hope you understand, I wasn't trying to harass you or disrupt the thread. I truly think that everyone should have the same opportunities and I respectfully stand by this.

[Alhanelem]

I understand how you feel, but I don't feel everything has to be 100% equal to be fair.

[Sarick]

I understand how you feel, but I don't feel everything has to be 100% equal to be fair.

I think you understand we're more or less sides of a fence. What we think differs slightly about events and contest. In my case I'm trying to defend how important it is to keep everything equal as humanly possible. On the other side of this conversation is you trying to undermined everything in the way of progress. Telling people to wait, shut up, and it's unreasonable based on personal opinion. If anything you should be following the advice you've been giving others including me this whole time. Alhanelem, there is no honor in bringing down a good cause no matter how unreasonable you think it is. This is especially true if it has no real negative impact on your person. What I'm defending is to help people by acknowledging how important keeping things equal and fair. Please think about true nature behind your defense arguments.

Let's take movies as an example again. Consider this, if you received movies on DVD in the mail every month and your distant relatives also received movies of equal value in your opinion this would be fair. Based on your views it would be fine if they got the different movies because they cost the same. Look closely at this argument. If you received movies like "Glen or Glenda" and "Freddy Got Fingered" and they received movies like "The Terminator" and "Goodfellas." would you still be trying to compare things based on equal values? Equal isn't always good when it's all based on personal opinion. If the there are no opinion variables there's nothing really to compare.

As I've stated before why people complain. I also stated if they didn't a lot of things wouldn't get acknowledged. There is also another reason why people complain. It's because they care about something. Equality in events should be important. In my best judgement someone defending anything less then allowing everyone an equal opportunity does more damage then good. All you have to do is agree to what is underlined in the comment above. On a final note: In your quote you say 100%. No, it's more like 99% or slightly less that this conversation is about.

[Alhanelem]

In my case I'm trying to defend how important it is to keep everything equal as humanly possible.And I'm trying to defend how unimportant it is to keep everything as equal as humanly possible. Again, things don't have to be equal to be fair. Fairness is more important than equality. Over at the FFXI forums, EU, NA, JP all have different events for some things. Other things, they all have the same event. (e.g., the current event of guessing how long it will take after the next patch before people beat the new boss) Nobody complains about this over there.

We're clearly on opposite sides of a great wall. There's really no point in debating this.

[Dragoy]

I don't really care about forum/in-game events not being available for everyone that much, as it takes considerably more effort to do that... >.>

However, when they go as far as preparing in-game items, those, I think, should be available to everyone or no one. Now that would be fair I think (thinking of the annual in-game events gives a good idea of what I mean). Same goes with items obtained for participating in real-life events, too, so it's not like this has not been going on forever already, and frankly I don't think complaining at this point will help at all.

Being outside of both, the Japanese as well as the American player-base does not help, either. :b

Either way, I am not sure what you two are debating on right now.

Just about the events themselves, or the rewards?
In-game rewards or real-life items?

I think clearing that up might get you somewhere (unless I'm the only one within a haze).

[Doombringer]

i wonder what it would feel like to be the jp dev that designed this contest reading this thread.

no good deed goes unpunished right?

[Sarick]

We're clearly on opposite sides of a great wall. There's really no point in debating this.

Seeing as you don't have a good defense even after given excellent perceptions in great detail I can agree there is no point in debating this. We disagree, I want things to be more equal you want to hold things back. The effort I've made to move forward can more then defend itself at this point.


However, when they go as far as preparing in-game items, those, I think, should be available to everyone or no one. Now that would be fair I think (thinking of the annual in-game events gives a good idea of what I mean). Same goes with items obtained for participating in real-life events

For the most part I agree with this.


Either way, I am not sure what you two are debating on right now.

His side of the debate is extremely lax almost apathetic of the situation. It defies logic and makes me wonder why he even would want to defend his position. His argument makes the assumption that personal judgement of whats fair has no consequences. If there is no standardized method of making things equal as humanly possible there is no faith. Why?, because the guidelines he proposed as fair are based on personal perception. When these guidelines are handed over to multiple groups it's just human nature that one side is bound to be treated differently. From my perspective making them equal as possible is in the best interest of everyone.

It's simple to understand, If the personal variables aren't there then its obviously to be more equal. IMHO, it's backwards thinking when someone would defend an issue that can easily be abused like it already is. If no one defends this position then it promotes the right to unfairness.

[Belmonts]

I really do disagree at any form of segregation, especially on a game that is supposed to bring a huge community together around the world.

But also I can understand when events legally can't be on the same countries because of the law restrictions. Honestly when our Japanese/European counterparts has a forum event with IRL rewards (like key-chains or such) there is not much we can do about it but respect their laws and yes, the events must be separated.

However, when the game does involve in-game events with in-game rewards only it is UNFAIR and UNEQUAL being shunned and just be able to watch and wonder wth is going on. If they are gonna do an in-game event that blatantly segregates players we have the right and we MUST complain about it. It is not a matter of having the same event afterwards. The Balance-Olympus A.K.A. the Dev. Team approved to be on the main servers it so what the heck... we should have the chance to be involved too!!

My humble opinion.

[Alhanelem]

Seeing as you don't have a good defenseThere's nothing wrong with my defense, nor am I conceeding to you. I simply didn't see the point in continuing. However, you seem to want to bait me back into this.


It defies logicMy position does not defy logic. It might defy what you agree with, but that doesn't make it illogical. Are we really going to have an argument about arguing? Why can't you lay the debate to rest, instead of picking at me further after I expressed my desire to end it? This is the very definition of trolling. If we've reached an impasse, it makes sense for both sides to stop, not for one to continue to pick the fight by insulting the other user as you have.

[Sarick]

I really do disagree at any form of segregation, especially on a game that is supposed to bring a huge community together around the world.

I support this and root for anyone who thinks there should be regulations to ensure things are done right.


But also I can understand when events legally can't be on the same countries because of the law restrictions. Honestly when our Japanese/European counterparts has a forum event with IRL rewards (like key-chains or such) there is not much we can do about it but respect their laws and yes, the events must be separated.

I agree, here to. Game items are game items, not real world stuff. Also there are ways around a lot of these laws by attaching the in game items to real world items. They do it now with stuffed dolls etc. The SE Key is a fine example it gave users extra storage. The main thing I want to say here: Laws are there for a reason to protect people. I'm in defense of keeping things legal. If It can't be done in all regions because of laws perhaps something else should've been created in the first place.


However, when the game does involve in-game events with in-game rewards only it is UNFAIR and UNEQUAL being shunned and just be able to watch and wonder wth is going on. If they are gonna do an in-game event that blatantly segregates players we have the right and we MUST complain about it. It is not a matter of having the same event afterwards. The Balance-Olympus A.K.A. the Dev. Team approved to be on the main servers it so what the heck... we should have the chance to be involved too!!

Exactly... This is how I feel. Without regulation this allows abuse. The debate I've been having is that it isn't unimportant.

[Kluaf]

Well I think its kinda shitty that everyone don't or cant experience everything. I believe we all paid the same subscription fees.