Give Yuley more evasion for taking away TH

[Malthar]

Here's what I don't understand. SE takes away TH from Yuley and Falcorr, but gives Falcorr more attack. Fine, but what did they add to Yuley? Absolutely nothing. In the best interest of balance Yuley should be beefed up as Falcorr was. I say give Yuley more evasion or put th3 back on Yuley. Take off attack if need be, but don't leave us hanging, SE.

[SNK]

Yuly doesn't need anymore evasion. It's already evasive enough as it is.

[Karbuncle]

Problem is, on most thing you use Yuly for, She'll already be capping Evasion at 80%.

What they need to do is Raise Evasion cap to 95%, Same as accuracy :|

[Malthar]

Give her something. She got nothing for what was taken away.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Yuly doesn't need anymore evasion. It's already evasive enough as it is.

Well it needs something, as it stands other than wind based attacks the pet is pointless. I could understand the gimp to Falcorr it was a powerful pet to also have TH3. Personally I'd have dropped Facorr to TH1 and Yuly to TH2.

Evasion is good, but ultimately would add little, maybe even a reduction in the delay for Yuly's attacks.

[Xilk]

I'd rather just have th3 back on both :P

Yuly doesn't need more eva.

[Camiie]

Give Yuly a heightened Triple Attack rate and a full time Auto-Regen as opposed to daytime only. Lower the HP cost of Sudden Lunge, increase the effectiveness of Noisome Powder, and increase the damage of Spiral Spin.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Give Yuly a heightened Triple Attack rate and a full time Auto-Regen as opposed to daytime only. Lower the HP cost of Sudden Lunge, increase the effectiveness of Noisome Powder, and increase the damage of Spiral Spin.

BLU lost the HP cost, so should Dipper.

[Xilk]

BLU lost the HP cost, so should Dipper.

hp cost was 1% last I saw.. though I'm guessing its not actually % but a static value.

[Vandheer]

I agree Yuly doesn't need more EVA but it be nice to give Yuly something in return for the TH loss. Something useful would be nice though. ;o

[SNK]

Well it needs something, as it stands other than wind based attacks the pet is pointless. I could understand the gimp to Falcorr it was a powerful pet to also have TH3. Personally I'd have dropped Facorr to TH1 and Yuly to TH2.

Evasion is good, but ultimately would add little, maybe even a reduction in the delay for Yuly's attacks.

If you'd seen what I was soloing with Yuly, you'd realize anymore evasion would be very broken.

[Luvbunny]

If you'd seen what I was soloing with Yuly, you'd realize anymore evasion would be very broken.

A higher rate triple attack and critical hit rate and maybe more hit points would be welcomed.

[SNK]

A higher rate triple attack and critical hit rate and maybe more hit points would be welcomed.

It really doesn't freaking need it. There's just too much crap I've solo'd with Dipper that is just so funny that any buffs to this pet would break it...

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Wasn't on BST for this one but I solo'd it the other day also on BST with Dipper.

Solo'd Sedna, Bennu, Apadmek, Glavoid, etc. It doesn't need anything else. I was sad that TH got nerfed to level 1 but back when I used to fight NMs with just Carrie, I got used to not having any Treasure Hunter for anything I killed so having at least level 1 is still way better then I was used to having.

Dipper doesn't need a buff. It's perfectly fine the way it is.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Um... some of those can bo solo'd by a whm.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

So you soloed lvl75 content, and Abyssea NM's they can be done with ANY pet.

[SNK]

Um... some of those can bo solo'd by a whm.

When you see a WHM solo Vrtra.. get back to me.


So you soloed lvl75 content, and Abyssea NM's they can be done with ANY pet.

That's right I did. I solo'd content most jobs couldn't even attempt to solo. Anymore evasion to Dipper would make this a sad snoozefest hence the point. As far as Abyessa NMs it's just me pointing out that BST is a soloing monster now with Dipper and the other jugs pets out now.

I already solo'd Kirin and I'm attempting to see if I could solo or Trio Bahamut V2.

[Camiie]

Anymore evasion to Dipper would make this a sad snoozefest hence the point.

I'm not sure your potential boredom is a valid concern to the rest of the community.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

When you see a WHM solo Vrtra.. get back to me.



That's right I did. I solo'd content most jobs couldn't even attempt to solo. Anymore evasion to Dipper would make this a sad snoozefest hence the point. As far as Abyessa NMs it's just me pointing out that BST is a soloing monster now with Dipper and the other jugs pets out now.

I already solo'd Kirin and I'm attempting to see if I could solo or Trio Bahamut V2.

Kirin was Soloed with Faithful, and I believe so was Vrtra, albeit more difficult. These are not Dipper exclusive.

The point is, they took away from Dipper, as with Faithful they should then also replace that with something else for Dipper. It was an unnecessary nerf at best.

While Vrtra may be hard to solo still at 99 by any other job, that's one enemy in a 1000 more, it's about as impressive as a RDM soloing Genbu, in that it's not.

[SNK]

It still doesn't change the fact that Dipper doesn't need anymore evasion. It was too overpowered to begin with and nerfing Treasure Hunter to level 1 isn't that big of a deal to begin with.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

It still doesn't change the fact that Dipper doesn't need anymore evasion. It was too overpowered to begin with and nerfing Treasure Hunter to level 1 isn't that big of a deal to begin with.

No it doesn't, it needs something "worthwhile" though.

[Camiie]

It still doesn't change the fact that Dipper doesn't need anymore evasion. It was too overpowered to begin with and nerfing Treasure Hunter to level 1 isn't that big of a deal to begin with.

Dipper is OP for you. Great. You're apparently an exceptional player. Congratulations! So since you're exceptional (you know the exception... not normal), the rest of us can just eat $#!+ and die? I wonder if the dev team has an opening. You'd be a shoe in.

To put it more nicely, even though I'd rather not... The game shouldn't be balanced around the abnormal player. Dipper's too powerful for you, but not for the rest of us. Why can't you just be satisfied with being awesome and let the rest of us have some fun too?

[Juilan]

On a side note, where is our indian gift of pet th and is it going to be in a slot we dont already use for something thats beneficial for our pets?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Dipper is OP for you. Great. You're apparently an exceptional player. Congratulations! So since you're exceptional (you know the exception... not normal), the rest of us can just eat $#!+ and die? I wonder if the dev team has an opening. You'd be a shoe in.

To put it more nicely, even though I'd rather not... The game shouldn't be balanced around the abnormal player. Dipper's too powerful for you, but not for the rest of us. Why can't you just be satisfied with being awesome and let the rest of us have some fun too?

They're using SE's warped logic.

SE: The Weaponskills are too powerful, so as such we'll be balancing the level 99 WS's to be only about 1% stronger than level 60 weaponskills.

OP: Dipper Yuly is overpowered because it can easily solo level 75 content at level 99, so therefore no balancing for level 99 battles are needed.

[Camiie]

On a side note, where is our indian gift of pet th and is it going to be in a slot we dont already use for something thats beneficial for our pets?

If they ever get around to producing it, and it's probably at the absolute bottom of the priority list if it's even on there at all, you know there will be some horrible drawback to it. They'll find a way to make it suck.



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DEF 30 DEX-8 AGI-8 Accuracy -10
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Lv. 99 BST



They're using SE's warped logic.

OP: Dipper Yuly is overpowered because it can easily solo level 75 content at level 99, so therefore no balancing for level 99 battles are needed.

Pretty much. And also, "It's fine for me and it should be fine for you too."

[Xantavia]

On a side note, where is our indian gift of pet th and is it going to be in a slot we dont already use for something thats beneficial for our pets?
If thf's have to gimp damage for additional TH, it would only be balanced for other jobs to have to as well.

[Camiie]

If thf's have to gimp damage for additional TH, it would only be balanced for other jobs to have to as well.

I thought these days all they had to do was attack and use SA/TA for "additional TH." For max TH sure they have to use gear but not simply for additional TH beyond the job trait.


Note that using gear that enhances Treasure Hunter only raises the initial level of Treasure Hunter applied when making your first action against an enemy. In other words, it is unnecessary to leave such gear equipped afterward.

<That's interesting.>

[Luvbunny]

So where is this treasure hunter gears?

[SNK]

Dipper is OP for you. Great. You're apparently an exceptional player. Congratulations! So since you're exceptional (you know the exception... not normal), the rest of us can just eat $#!+ and die? I wonder if the dev team has an opening. You'd be a shoe in.

To put it more nicely, even though I'd rather not... The game shouldn't be balanced around the abnormal player. Dipper's too powerful for you, but not for the rest of us. Why can't you just be satisfied with being awesome and let the rest of us have some fun too?

Wow hit a nerve did I? For a job that I originally leveled to 75 with 0 Treasure Hunter when it came to camping NMs having Dipper was a god send. The problem is that we all knew the nerfbat was coming to it's native Treasure Hunter and anyone thinking otherwise is just dreaming.

The fact we didn't lose it alltogether was a shock. Dipper was seriously overabused in crap like Dynamis where all that people complained about was all the BSTs in the zone everyday farming mobs like crazy so SE decided the best way to deal with it was either fix Dynamis which we all know would take way more work or break something or lower Dipper's TH down to level 1 in an attempt to balance out the huge influx of currency a job like BST shouldn't have been getting so much to the point that it made THF more pointless then it already was.

The whole I'm awesome bit cracked a smile with me. I never said I was awesome to begin with but I know an overpowered pet when I see one. DipperYuly is an amazingly solid and evasive pet. Nobody can deny this. Giving something like that to a pet who's evasion is already stupidly high to begin with would probably end up with SE just nerfing TH alltogether on the pet to "balance" it out.

I don't want to defend the dev team's choice in Dipper's nerf but I knew it was coming so I'm content enough to just leave it at TH1 instead of QQing at a proverial brick wall that the Dev team is like sometimes.
Dipper

[Llana_Virren]

If thf's have to gimp damage for additional TH, it would only be balanced for other jobs to have to as well.

Once TH procs, you can take off your TH+ gear, you know? >___>"

[Camiie]

Wow hit a nerve did I?

If you had, you wouldn't have to ask. Why? Where you trying to?


For a job that I originally leveled to 75 with 0 Treasure Hunter when it came to camping NMs having Dipper was a god send. The problem is that we all knew the nerfbat was coming to it's native Treasure Hunter and anyone thinking otherwise is just dreaming.

The fact we didn't lose it alltogether was a shock. Dipper was seriously overabused in crap like Dynamis where all that people complained about was all the BSTs in the zone everyday farming mobs like crazy so SE decided the best way to deal with it was either fix Dynamis which we all know would take way more work or break something or lower Dipper's TH down to level 1 in an attempt to balance out the huge influx of currency a job like BST shouldn't have been getting so much to the point that it made THF more pointless then it already was.


How was it being abused at all much less "overabused?" DNC has more potential JA procs than anyone and tons of evasion and self healing. If I take those natural abilities and use them to collect currency or solo an NM where another job may not be able to do the same, am I abusing something?
Besides isn't TH rather ineffective for earning currency? It certainly does very little without the ability to proc right?


The whole I'm awesome bit cracked a smile with me. I never said I was awesome to begin with but I know an overpowered pet when I see one.

You sent the message without saying it outright. Look at all the the pics you posted of things you soloed. That comes off as bragging. Then to say that, "Oh I did all this so Dipper's good enough as is." It's like you're just rubbing it in everyone's faces.

Another thing seems a bit odd to me. Most people would be just fine with something they use being made more useful. The natural response would be to ask for improvements and to desire stronger, faster, more efficient, better value, etc. The fact that you're going against that normal tendency makes me think you have other reasons than potential boredom for not wanting Yuly to be in any way improved. It's just kinda weird and a bit off-putting.


DipperYuly is an amazingly solid and evasive pet. Nobody can deny this. Giving something like that to a pet who's evasion is already stupidly high to begin with would probably end up with SE just nerfing TH alltogether on the pet to "balance" it out.

But there have been more suggestions than simply added evasion, which you seem to be ignoring altogether. Why is that? Why not added attack like with Falcorr? Why not a little boost to Ready abilities? Where you against Falcorr being given an attack boost in exchange for losing THII and THIII? If not, why not? Falcorr was definitely no slouch before the update.


I don't want to defend the dev team's choice in Dipper's nerf but I knew it was coming so I'm content enough to just leave it at TH1 instead of QQing at a proverial brick wall that the Dev team is like sometimes.


No one is "QQing." What I'd like to see is some consistency. Do for Yuly what was done for Falcorr, and also deliver the Pet: TH gear that Camate spoke of. Got a problem with that?

[Malthar]

SE, what's the status of the pet TH gear?
Also, for nerfing Yuley's TH, 'how 'bout reduced delay on Yuley so (s)he can attack faster?
And while we're on the topic, just what gender is DipperYuley, anyway? lol

[SNK]

If you had, you wouldn't have to ask. Why? Where you trying to?

Wasn't really trying to but the 1st reply you made to me seemed a bit angry when I read it.



How was it being abused at all much less "overabused?" DNC has more potential JA procs than anyone and tons of evasion and self healing. If I take those natural abilities and use them to collect currency or solo an NM where another job may not be able to do the same, am I abusing something?

Dancer indeed does have more potential JA procs but 0 Treasure Hunter. Anyone who goes Dancer to dynamis never goes in with a subjob active so it's not like they can sub THF or anything.


Besides isn't TH rather ineffective for earning currency? It certainly does very little without the ability to proc right?

It actually has more of an effect on the drop rates then you realize.



You sent the message without saying it outright. Look at all the the pics you posted of things you soloed. That comes off as bragging. Then to say that, "Oh I did all this so Dipper's good enough as is." It's like you're just rubbing it in everyone's faces.

It wasn't so much as bragging as it was to prove a point. Dipper is just really damn good in or out of Abyessa. That's it.



Another thing seems a bit odd to me. Most people would be just fine with something they use being made more useful. The natural response would be to ask for improvements and to desire stronger, faster, more efficient, better value, etc. The fact that you're going against that normal tendency makes me think you have other reasons than potential boredom for not wanting Yuly to be in any way improved. It's just kinda weird and a bit off-putting.

Natural yes. It possibly happening? Probably not. If anything I'm just being a realist.


But there have been more suggestions than simply added evasion, which you seem to be ignoring altogether. Why is that?

I'm not ignoring it. Jesus christ I've said it multiple times in this thread. It doesn't need anymore evasion. It's already stupidly high enough as it is. If you give it anymore evasion then nothing would ever be able to hit it. Ever.


Why not added attack like with Falcorr? Why not a little boost to Ready abilities? Where you against Falcorr being given an attack boost in exchange for losing THII and THIII? If not, why not? Falcorr was definitely no slouch before the update.

Falcorr is pretty awesome but Dipper imo seems a lot more fun for those fights where you're riding that line between your reward timer/Call Beast. SE simply saw Dipper as not needing the boost to it's already high evasion and triple attack rate. Karbuncle already said it simply enough..


Problem is, on most thing you use Yuly for, She'll already be capping Evasion at 80%.

80% Evasion is nuts. You can't sit there and tell me you want to raise that even higher and think that it'll somehow be balanced right?


No one is "QQing." What I'd like to see is some consistency. Do for Yuly what was done for Falcorr, and also deliver the Pet: TH gear that Camate spoke of. Got a problem with that?

Pet TH gear will happen whenever the dev team decides how they want to implement it. I'm not crossing my fingers honestly for it.

[Camiie]

I'm not ignoring it. Jesus christ I've said it multiple times in this thread. It doesn't need anymore evasion. It's already stupidly high enough as it is. If you give it anymore evasion then nothing would ever be able to hit it. Ever.

What I said was you seem to be ignoring suggestions to improve Yuly that have nothing to do with Evasion. Critical Hit Rate, Triple Attack Rate, Attack, and Ready Abilities are not Evasion and have been suggested as alternatives to an Evasion boost. You haven't responded to any of these suggestions at all. I don't think I can make it any clearer than that.

So, again, what about improving some stat/trait/ability of Yuly's other than Evasion? Would that be a problem for you as well?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I'm not ignoring it. Jesus christ I've said it multiple times in this thread. It doesn't need anymore evasion. It's already stupidly high enough as it is. If you give it anymore evasion then nothing would ever be able to hit it. Ever.

Seeing as there is a cap, not quite true and seeing as if you take on anything above decent and Yuly gets thrashed it's again not true.

Dipper Yuly really isn't as stupidly overpowered as you're trying to pretend.

[SNK]

What I said was you seem to be ignoring suggestions to improve Yuly that have nothing to do with Evasion. Critical Hit Rate, Triple Attack Rate, Attack, and Ready Abilities are not Evasion and have been suggested as alternatives to an Evasion boost. You haven't responded to any of these suggestions at all. I don't think I can make it any clearer than that.

So, again, what about improving some stat/trait/ability of Yuly's other than Evasion? Would that be a problem for you as well?

*scratches head. It's like you're trying to get me to say that adding anything other then an evasion boost would be ok. It already has a High Triple Attack and Critical Hit Rate as well.

What else would you want it to have?

The only reason Falcorr got a boost to it's attack was it was just way lower then Dipper's to begin with so they wanted to balance that out. His TP moves are fine as well, When you're doing multiple mobs and you want to make sure everything gets TH'd then Noisome Powder is fine. Sudden Lunge is pretty neat for stunning stuff and Spiral Spin is good if you want to hit more then one mob at a time with an accuracy down bonus. I keep looking at what else you could possibly want for this overpowered pet but I'm not seeing it.


Seeing as there is a cap, not quite true and seeing as if you take on anything above decent and Yuly gets thrashed it's again not true.

Dipper Yuly really isn't as stupidly overpowered as you're trying to pretend.

I'm sorry but I'm afraid you're not fully correct with this assumption. There are mobs that con VT to IT that dipper has no problems dealing with whatsoever. All the newer IT mobs in Gustav Tunnel, The Boyada Tree and other zones outside of Abyessa I have no issues soloing with Dipper. If anything with capped beast affinity/beast healer merits along with Relic +2 legs/feet inculding Augments it's really hard to kill the damn pet.

Look I know you guys feel like you want to be right on this issue but sadly I don't see any sort of change coming to dipper no matter how justified some of you folks feel about it.

Do I want to disagree with you? No I don't. Will dipper ever get anything else? Time will tell but I sadly see nothing being added to a pet I feel is strong enough as it is.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Do I want to disagree with you? No I don't. Will dipper ever get anything else? Time will tell but I sadly see nothing being added to a pet I feel is strong enough as it is.

And you're the only one that does feel it's strong enough as is, unless you're a developer your opinion is no more valid than ours on whether it's seen as too powerful or not.

As for your EXP fodder remark I think I'll ignore that funny little paragraph.

You've made your "point" so how about you leave the thread now, you're adding nothing and in return you have us repeating the same thing over and over again.

[SNK]

And you're the only one that does feel it's strong enough as is, unless you're a developer your opinion is no more valid than ours on whether it's seen as too powerful or not.

No, there are a lot of people who feel the same way. You're just being too blind to see it.


As for your EXP fodder remark I think I'll ignore that funny little paragraph.

Hey now daniel, you were the one who said Dipper gets wrecked on anything over Decent Challange and I just proved you wrong. If you can't handle the issue that maybe you don't know enough about BST as you think you do, you might actually learn something or even play the job better. It's like you're looking to make an arguement or a point without actually researching the job outside of maybe wearing pearl or pink armor and thinking you still need a buff to your pet.



You've made your "point" so how about you leave the thread now, you're adding nothing and in return you have us repeating the same thing over and over again.

Have I made a point? All I see is a select few people like yourself being bitter because Dipper got nerfed and you're demanding something in return. THFs have been bitching for years to get an attack buff for their jobs and they've gotten nothing. Why should Dipper be any different?

It's because some of you feel like you're owed something in exchange for a nerf.

Ukko's got nerfed and WARs all over cried bloody tears about it and SE still hasn't givin anything back to them. Victory Smite got nerfed and somehow a lot of MNKs didn't seem to care.

DipperYuly's TH got nerfed to level 1 and oh my god so many BSTs are screaming like it's the end of the world.

[Neisan_Quetz]

It's a jugpet, if it was stupidly powerful it would have gotten nerfed - more by now.

Dipper Yuly is a pretty strong Jugpet for being a thf mob (obviously there's also falcorr but I'd expect that to be stronger in the first place), there is nothing wrong with it's evasion, it doesn't really need buffs.

Are people seriously complaining 'evasion and resistance to wind' is all Yuly has? Fargann only has resistance to blunt and water going for it, where's the complaints for that?

[SNK]

It's a jugpet, if it was stupidly powerful it would have gotten nerfed - more by now.

Dipper Yuly is a pretty strong Jugpet for being a thf mob (obviously there's also falcorr but I'd expect that to be stronger in the first place), there is nothing wrong with it's evasion, it doesn't really need buffs.

Are people seriously complaining 'evasion and resistance to wind' is all Yuly has? Fargann only has resistance to blunt and water going for it, where's the complaints for that?

Fargann doesn't have Treasure Hunter. Most BSTs these days don't know a jugpet outside of Falcorr, Yuly, Gerard or Nazuna. :(

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Fargann doesn't have Treasure Hunter. Most BSTs these days don't know a jugpet outside of Falcorr, Yuly, Gerard or Nazuna. :(

Who uses Nazuna at 99? It capped a while before then.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

No, there are a lot of people who feel the same way. You're just being too blind to see it.

Hey now daniel, you were the one who said Dipper gets wrecked on anything over Decent Challange and I just proved you wrong. If you can't handle the issue that maybe you don't know enough about BST as you think you do, you might actually learn something or even play the job better. It's like you're looking to make an arguement or a point without actually researching the job outside of maybe wearing pearl or pink armor and thinking you still need a buff to your pet.

Nope, 'fraid not.

Daniel* I mean seriously, you always capitalise names.

Wow, you're seriously deluded. First we balanced on level 75 NM's, now we're using EXP fodder. Your arguement is failing more and more as you continue to type such nonsense.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Who uses Nazuna at 99? It capped a while before then.


Cheap pet for TEs in dynamis, caps at 96 with beast affinity merits. although I have seen gorefang instead on occaison...


Nope, 'fraid not.

Daniel* I mean seriously, you always capitalise names.

Wow, you're seriously deluded. First we balanced on level 75 NM's, now we're using EXP fodder. Your arguement is failing more and more as you continue to type such nonsense.

All I read was you have trouble with Dipper dying on DC mobs... think the problem is less with Dipper and more with you.

[Xilk]

Cheap pet for TEs in dynamis, caps at 96 with beast affinity merits. although I have seen gorefang instead on occaison...



All I read was you have trouble with Dipper dying on DC mobs... think the problem is less with Dipper and more with you.

Nazuna is capped at level 84. With 5/5 Beast Affinity merits nazuna can spawn at level 94. If you have monster gloves +2 augmented, then you can just barely get a level 99 Nazuna with them and 5/5 merits.

I think its a waste to put 5/5 merits into BA just for Nazuna though, but to each their own.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Read the cap level wrong, shouldn't do that while sick :/

And yes it probably is a waste but I see way too many of the damn sheep running around and that's the only way I remember it being half useful... for one instance.

[SNK]

Nope, 'fraid not.

I'm afraid so Daniel. You've tried to make an arguement that dipper can't handle anything over DC and you got shot down and the only excuse you can give is exp mobs? Last I checked those mobs were VT to IT. What excatly were you referring to? Event mobs, VW or something else we all know is equally high level and isn't soloable by any jobs?



Wow, you're seriously deluded. First we balanced on level 75 NM's, now we're using EXP fodder. Your arguement is failing more and more as you continue to type such nonsense.


Seeing as there is a cap, not quite true and seeing as if you take on anything above decent and Yuly gets thrashed it's again not true.

Your words not mine Daniel.


Who uses Nazuna at 99? It capped a while before then.

It's good for Dynamis TEs, and Walk of Echos where you have to zone out everytime you do a run. If you're rich or crazy enough to spam that pet on a 7 to 11 minute fight then by all means do so.


Nazuna is capped at level 84. With 5/5 Beast Affinity merits nazuna can spawn at level 94. If you have monster gloves +2 augmented, then you can just barely get a level 99 Nazuna with them and 5/5 merits.

Seems some people here Daniel have a better grasp on this job then you do. If you want to keep with the personal insults by all means continue or just maybe you could just realize you're plugging your foot into your mouth everytime you try and discredit what I'm saying.


All I read was you have trouble with Dipper dying on DC mobs... think the problem is less with Dipper and more with you.

I was trying to be polite about this Daniel but it seems Neisan decided to make the point for me.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I'm afraid so Daniel. You've tried to make an arguement that dipper can't handle anything over DC and you got shot down and the only excuse you can give is exp mobs? Last I checked those mobs were VT to IT. What excatly were you referring to? Event mobs, VW or something else we all know is equally high level and isn't soloable by any jobs?

Your words not mine Daniel.

It's good for Dynamis TEs, and Walk of Echos where you have to zone out everytime you do a run. If you're rich or crazy enough to spam that pet on a 7 to 11 minute fight then by all means do so.

Seems some people here Daniel have a better grasp on this job then you do. If you want to keep with the personal insults by all means continue or just maybe you could just realize you're plugging your foot into your mouth everytime you try and discredit what I'm saying.

I was trying to be polite about this Daniel but it seems Neisan decided to make the point for me.

Maybe I should be clear, I don't class wasting food on EXP mobs as a good thing. Yes they can fight IT if they want, no it's not easy. I can take on an IT in Gusgen while my pet takes another, it's still at the cost of pet food. You're still balancing a pet on weak content (Abyssea and such) including enemies that even at IT are not that hard (EXP fodder.) which guess what you could probably do with the weak sheep now, Dipper still gets hit like a bitch by the IT, unless you're wielding the Evasion axes.

Most if not all jobs at 99 can do that now.

Wow, people are hard pushed for gil to afford even the slug, really!? It's almost as cheap as the weak sheep to make.

Apparently not enough to know of the cap on the sheep. Reading Wiki != Knowing the job.

[Aldersyde]

I don't think Yuly needs much more of anything, let alone evasion. I just want the recipe adjusted (less or no lesser chigoes please) or want more reliable sources of lesser chigoes added (daily reward system doesn't count) to make up for the loss of th3. It's ridiculous that people moaned about smn afk killing chigoes for geodes and the devs responded to it when I can't even get a gm to respond to my complaints of players pos hacking the harvesting points that goes on nearly 24/7 in Grauberg.

[SNK]

Maybe I should be clear, I don't class wasting food on EXP mobs as a good thing. Yes they can fight IT if they want, no it's not easy.

What the heck gear are you using? Those mobs arn't hard at all to kill. I didn't even use food killing those things.


I can take on an IT in Gusgen while my pet takes another, it's still at the cost of pet food. You're still balancing a pet on weak content (Abyssea and such) including enemies that even at IT are not that hard (EXP fodder.) which guess what you could probably do with the weak sheep now, Dipper still gets hit like a bitch by the IT, unless you're wielding the Evasion axes.

You must be using a different DipperYuly then me or you don't have a pair of augmented Monster Gloves +2 because I don't have any issues killing those mobs whatsoever. Whatever the case is you might want to look back at excatly what you might be doing different from me or anyone else.




Wow, people are hard pushed for gil to afford even the slug, really!? It's almost as cheap as the weak sheep to make.

I'm not really hard pushed to make money. In fact I make a lot of it on BST all the time, I'm just not foolish enough to throw money away when the results can be done for a lower cost and still yield the same results.


Most if not all jobs at 99 can do that now.

I agree with this to an extent. Some jobs have a hard time soloing vs other jobs which can easily kill mobs without so much as breaking a sweat.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I'm sorry but I'm afraid you're not fully correct with this assumption. There are mobs that con VT to IT that dipper has no problems dealing with whatsoever. All the newer IT mobs in Gustav Tunnel, The Boyada Tree and other zones outside of Abyessa I have no issues soloing with Dipper. If anything with capped beast affinity/beast healer merits along with Relic +2 legs/feet inculding Augments it's really hard to kill the damn pet.

Hmmm... So this was mentioned for no reason then?

[SNK]

Hmmm... So this was mentioned for no reason then?

Being selective in your replys doesn't help your case or point of view in this arguement/discussion. If you desire to take it out of context then by all means do so but please don't make it a point to say Dipper can't handle anything over Decent Challange and then sit there & backpedal on your own words when other folks in this thread are telling you different.

You keep looking for holes in my posts when your own are starting to bleed out all over this thread in some attempt to prove me wrong about Dipper not need anymore buffs then it already has.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Being selective in your replys doesn't help your case or point of view in this arguement/discussion. If you desire to take it out of context then by all means do so but please don't make it a point to say Dipper can't handle anything over Decent Challange and then sit there & backpedal on your own words when other folks in this thread are telling you different.

You keep looking for holes in my posts when your own are starting to bleed out all over this thread in some attempt to prove me wrong about Dipper not need anymore buffs then it already has.

I really don't need to feed you anymore.

You don't, I do. Personally I could care less either way, BST is pointless on anything not pre-75 or Dynamis.

The constant gimps, and BST isn't getting this motto of SE just furthers this, try to further justify you're right and everyone else is wrong, I couldn't care. You, just like Myself, and every other English speaker has no impact on ANYTHING done on this game so bothers me not.

[Xilk]

I really don't need to feed you anymore.

You don't, I do. Personally I could care less either way, BST is pointless on anything not pre-75 or Dynamis.

The constant gimps, and BST isn't getting this motto of SE just furthers this, try to further justify you're right and everyone else is wrong, I couldn't care. You, just like Myself, and every other English speaker has no impact on ANYTHING done on this game so bothers me not.

What you say makes no sense. So here is a bunny with a pancake on its head.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wVlEES5Yl1U/TQAHYpV3wBI/AAAAAAAAAMU/wI76ZIkxPlU/s320/1.jpg

[Daniel_Hatcher]

What you say makes no sense. So here is a bunny with a pancake on its head.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wVlEES5Yl1U/TQAHYpV3wBI/AAAAAAAAAMU/wI76ZIkxPlU/s320/1.jpg

Two pancakes.

[SNK]

I really don't need to feed you anymore.

Awww but I was still hungry for more conversation. :(


You don't, I do. Personally I could care less either way, BST is pointless on anything not pre-75 or Dynamis.

That's "Couldn't care any less" and BST is what it is. You either make it enjoyable like I have or just complain about things we all know won't be changed no matter how much you yell into that brick wall known as the dev team.


The constant gimps, and BST isn't getting this motto of SE just furthers this, try to further justify you're right and everyone else is wrong, I couldn't care. You, just like Myself, and every other English speaker has no impact on ANYTHING done on this game so bothers me not.

I wouldn't say we don't have any impact but in comparasion to the japanese playerbase we have much less of one. It's a japanese game so there's only so much we can say to make them listen. I'm not trying to make you pissed off Daniel but you just want to think that like Camille you guys are owed something for a nerf when in reality they don't have to give us anything if they don't think we need it.

I'm glad the days of having an awesome charm set is gone because it used to piss me off that I spent millions of gil perfecting that set only to randomly get a misscharm on an EP mob. Jugs pets are awesome now and I hope they continue to keep adding more.

[zataz]

here's a idea give it subtle blow+6 or something like that way it would get something for whats lost but not something overpowering