Legion...

[Dazusu]

I'm in love with it. Great addition to the game.

Tried it a few times with an old-school Einherjar-like setup + 2 tanks/support. Went pretty well, and will go better with some refinements to group setup (more BLM!)

What's so good about it?

Not many temporary items.
No Abyssites.
No atma(cites)
No leeches randomly entering


A group is about to go in full of BST & SMN, apparently they think it's Walk of Echoes. It's gonna be interesting to see how that turns out.

I await the "Legion is too hard" bitchery that will arrive in the next couple of hours with glee and delight.

[Karbuncle]

Sounds fun. Its going to be hard for all the kitties and Pink/White/Blue 99's, But i can imagine those with a glimmer of skill or intelligence will have little problem.

Personally, I'll be happy if the Enemies are the hardest part of legion, and the rewards are good and steady. I mean, symbolically speaking, You can punch me in the face as hard as you want so long as i get Ice cream after.


No temporary items.
No Abyssites.
No atma(cites)


You had me until this :( makes you sound like the stereotypical Abyssea butthurt guy who does nothing but sit at a computer complaining about "Back in my day FFXI was hard...!"(It wasn't).

Maybe thats not who you are, but thats what it makes you sound like. Show me I'm wrong please :( Why do you believe that those things are bad? I like Temporary Items as long as they don't over-due it... Even with them, They can make a hard fight (Botulus).

Temp items i think help people take care of themselves a little more. Spreads the responsibility around. Especially Potions.

[Dazusu]

and the rewards are good and steady. I mean,

We seen EXP scrolls & a scroll of Breakga.

[Yambo99]

This is right...

Ok First off, LOELEOELEOL at all the people who are about to QQ that legion is to hard.

Secondly thanks SE for putting some good old content that you need to think about and use a proper HNM strat.

For all you casual players i say one thing, Quit your job ok?

Watch old HNM video's, because you will need the brains to do this and not "Fanatics, Champions drink!!!!".

Oh ye and one more Thing, NO MORE PROC LOCK TROLLOELEOELEOELEL epic win etc!

As Charlie Sheen said, "WINNING!"

[Yambo99]

You had me until this :( makes you sound like the stereotypical Abyssea butthurt guy who does nothing but sit at a computer complaining about "Back in my day FFXI was hard...!"(It wasn't).

Maybe thats not who you are, but thats what it makes you sound like. Show me I'm wrong please :( Why do you believe that those things are bad? I like Temporary Items as long as they don't over-due it... Even with them, They can make a hard fight (Botulus).

Temp items i think help people take care of themselves a little more. Spreads the responsibility around. Especially Potions.


He's not Saying FFXI back in the day was hard. It's more the case of not any tom and jerry can do this with their eyes closed.

[Dazusu]

makes you sound like the stereotypical Abyssea butthurt guy

I said nothing about back in the day, and I was referring to Voidwatch as much as Abyssea (Where temporary items were over-done in both cases), though. I said for me personally it was an upside. You disagree, that's fine. No need to cry about it though.

[mattkoko]

so i keep seeing shouts for only relic/empy jobs to join legion. is that really the only option or is that person just being anal. i mean surely just because someone has empy/relic on, does not make them a good player. i'm just wondering. i mean i am working on empys now. but still. shouts like that bug me lol. i mean its ok if they completely suck at the job, but you got relic but no skills in that weapon? thats fine, come on down

[Dazusu]

so i keep seeing shouts for only relic/empy jobs to join legion.

Empy/Relics don't equal a win. It will help, but this requires strategy and teamwork to make good progress beyond the initial 3 mobs.

[Yambo99]

so i keep seeing shouts for only relic/empy jobs to join legion. is that really the only option or is that person just being anal. i mean surely just because someone has empy/relic on, does not make them a good player. i'm just wondering. i mean i am working on empys now. but still. shouts like that bug me lol. i mean its ok if they completely suck at the job, but you got relic but no skills in that weapon? thats fine, come on down

Just like you said pretty much Skill> gear as you see anyone with 10 empys and they know nothing about the job. The person shouting for emp/relic only is just being anal.

[mattkoko]

Thank you. I figured as much. I have just seen a few shouts like that since I came back. While I understand gear is important, I see plenty of empy/relic holders that completely suck. Anyway, I look forward to trying it out. Hopefully this weekend haha

[Karbuncle]

I said nothing about back in the day, and I was referring to Voidwatch as much as Abyssea (Where temporary items were over-done in both cases), though. I said for me personally it was an upside. You disagree, that's fine. No need to cry about it though.

Of course you didn't say it directly, Because I wasn't calling you anything, I was implying your statement made it sound that way.

Its why i used those magical qualifying words "Sound" and "Like". Not "You." and "Are."

Just curious why you feel that way. Did you read the rest? I genuinely want to hear your opinion on why Temp items are bad. Second, I protest your childish need to insinuate I was "Crying". You can use the age old cop-out method to answering a question by attempting to defame the one asking it instead of providing a real answer, and take it personally and act all hardcore, Or you can actually answer my question without resorting to attempting to give reasons to my statement.

As for the guy above you saying something blah blah about Tom and Jerry with their eyes closed, The average player still cannot easily beat Botulus Rex or Ig Alima, Temp items or not. Personally i have no problem with it, But the fact of the matter is, Temp items are an "instant win" button, they're only as useful as the player who holds them.

Example: People dying to Chainspell even with Fools drink because they can't macro and/or use it properly.

My intentions were to express my interpretation of your statement, not a definitive accusation of your personality or view, and in turn ask you exactly why you feel removing temp items and such are a positive in events. I want to know your driving reasons behind feeling Temp items are a hindrance to events.

[Dazusu]

I find that Atmas, Abyssites, Temporary Items take away a lot of the skill required to defeat many encounters in the game.

I've been back to the game for two months now, and just a few weeks ago started participating in Voidwatch.

The idea of keeping up a Fanatics Drink, while spamming abilities and spells to proc weaknesses Abyssea style just so I can use more Fanatics Drinks with the hope of killing the monster through sheer mindless zerging before proccing slows down and/or stops just isn't fun to me - it's the reason I quit in the first place (meaning: Abyssea made things a lot more easy than they were pre-Abyssea - and again, don't take this as me asking for the HNM era back)

During the whole Abyssea era it was almost impossible to fully wipe to anything and lose a mob. Yes it still happened with really bad players, but in general there was a distinct lack of any danger or challenge. For that, I blame accessible temporary items and over-powered buffs (Atmas/Abyssites).

It also seemed that mobs difficulty didn't scale with our level increases, but this is arguable and not the point of my post.

So in closing, I enjoy the danger of tougher fights without stupid amounts of 'aid' being piled onto me and my teams characters like temporary items and overly buffed Atmas. It's tougher and requires more thought. At the moment, the VW mentality (for the most part) is keep fanatics up, proc and hit.

This is why Legion is a breath of fresh air.

[Zerich]

This is right...

Ok First off, LOELEOELEOL at all the people who are about to QQ that legion is to hard.

Secondly thanks SE for putting some good old content that you need to think about and use a proper HNM strat.

For all you casual players i say one thing, Quit your job ok?

Watch old HNM video's, because you will need the brains to do this and not "Fanatics, Champions drink!!!!".

Oh ye and one more Thing, NO MORE PROC LOCK TROLLOELEOELEOELEL epic win etc!

As Charlie Sheen said, "WINNING!"

inc sam, drk kclub, and rdm stun-gunning.

[Yambo99]

3/6/7 mobs = 1 mob?

[Savlyn]

I find that Atmas, Abyssites, Temporary Items take away a lot of the skill required to defeat many encounters in the game.

I've been back to the game for two months now, and just a few weeks ago started participating in Voidwatch.

This is why Legion is a breath of fresh air.


How long were you gone? Atmas gave the players a chance to see how strong we SHOULD have been at 99, instead of still doing only slightly more damage than we did at 75. The developers could have easily made monsters tough enough to compensate for the increase in player damage and survivability. If anything, that was the only thing wrong with atmas.

[Sparthos]

At the end of the day what will make or break this event is LOOT.

No one cares about challenges if the pot isnt sweet. Will SE deliver? We'll soon see.

[Calamity]

My only complaint so far is it's a bit too much like old hnm. And what I mean by that is an alliance where only plds, whms, and sams are welcome, with an alex smn just for kicks. Atleast VW gave us diversity.

[Zumi]

I don't know what's wrong with my server haven't seen a single shout for it. They all seem to be into doing VW the older tiers too.

Really wanted to try out legion.

[Calamity]

My only complaint so far is it's a bit too much like old hnm. And what I mean by that is an alliance where only plds, whms, and sams are welcome, with an alex smn just for kicks. Atleast VW gave us diversity.

And no sooner did I post this than I get a blind invite to legion on drk. It's kinda fun. From my experience, Cerb needs to go down first. He likes to spam a very potent GoH every 5-10 seconds, which is the most dangerous move I saw in there. Best to eat it up with a PD. Other than that it seems very doable. Killed Hydra and half killed Cerb. If we'd chosen to start with Cerb we'd likely have won. But we know for tomorrow.

[Fupafighter]

Basically i recommend all DD /nin. Rng and cor seem really friendly to this event. 3 pld. Just did a run. Seems like all link. Will need to individually fight them and have 2 plds hold while DD take them down SLOWLY lol >.< Yes, this seems oldschool. People without up to par gear meaning PDT MDT TP WS resist sets are recommended highly. The single target spells seem aoe. Monsters hit like a truck. In 43% PDT got 2 shotted. No trolling plz guys, recommend your opinions and input.

[MarkovChain]

It's always the same. On day one the idiotic LS think it's cool to have PLD tank (becoz the mobs are hard guyz) then more people do the event and transform it into a zerk. On day three everyone will throw 2.5K HP monks on them split in 3 parties or alliances, until everyone realizes that the drops suck balls that is.

[Fupafighter]

It's always the same. On day one the idiotic LS think it's cool to have PLD tank (becoz the mobs are hard guyz) then more people do the event and transform it into a zerk. On day three everyone will throw 2.5K HP monks on them split in 3 parties or alliances, until everyone realizes that the drops suck balls that is.
Oh you again lol. Well so far, I don't think mnks can tank this stuff. Did you try legion yet?

[Fupafighter]

so i keep seeing shouts for only relic/empy jobs to join legion. is that really the only option or is that person just being anal. i mean surely just because someone has empy/relic on, does not make them a good player. i'm just wondering. i mean i am working on empys now. but still. shouts like that bug me lol. i mean its ok if they completely suck at the job, but you got relic but no skills in that weapon? thats fine, come on down

I personally think you should have atleast one weapon. It's not hard to get an empyrian, and for the most part, they are the easiest alternative to doing decent damage. As long as your not using an AH weapon, and you understand gear swapping and oldschool HNMs, you should be fine lol >.<

[Calamity]

Basically i recommend all DD /nin. Rng and cor seem really friendly to this event. 3 pld. Just did a run. Seems like all link. Will need to individually fight them and have 2 plds hold while DD take them down SLOWLY lol >.< Yes, this seems oldschool. People without up to par gear meaning PDT MDT TP WS resist sets are recommended highly. The single target spells seem aoe. Monsters hit like a truck. In 43% PDT got 2 shotted. No trolling plz guys, recommend your opinions and input.

Even worse than linking, they have party hate. So basically if it comes down to needing to wipe and recover, all must wipe together in a spot where the mobs won't agro after reraise. If even one person has hate on an nm, they will hunt down every last living member.

[Yambo99]

It's always the same. On day one the idiotic LS think it's cool to have PLD tank (becoz the mobs are hard guyz) then more people do the event and transform it into a zerk. On day three everyone will throw 2.5K HP monks on them split in 3 parties or alliances, until everyone realizes that the drops suck balls that is.

Monks can not tank this stuff, you need a proper old school hnm style alliance.

Think before you speak and do some research/try it yourself.

[Fupafighter]

Monks can not tank this stuff, you need a proper old school hnm style alliance.

Think before you speak and do some research/try it yourself.
I believe this is the guy that thinks sam and drg can't maintain mythic lvl 3 lol.

[Fupafighter]

I mean marco, not yambo lol

[saevel]

I'm weary, groups were already starting to /sh for Empy / Relic DD's ONRY on things like Pil. We'll see how it goes, but the shared loot pool doesn't bode well for large member PUGs.

People got it stuck in their head that Empy / Relic = WINZ DAR GAME.

[Tamoa]

Basically i recommend all DD /nin. Rng and cor seem really friendly to this event. 3 pld. Just did a run. Seems like all link. Will need to individually fight them and have 2 plds hold while DD take them down SLOWLY lol >.< Yes, this seems oldschool. People without up to par gear meaning PDT MDT TP WS resist sets are recommended highly. The single target spells seem aoe. Monsters hit like a truck. In 43% PDT got 2 shotted. No trolling plz guys, recommend your opinions and input.

If single target spells are aoe, DD/nin seems a bit pointless?

[Hayward]

After reading the posts from the Rising Sun wannabes, it looks as if I'll have no real interest in Legion unless there's some game-changing rewards involved.

I don't mind trying it out once a strategy is mapped out that is NOT exclusionary.

[Fupafighter]

If single target spells are aoe, DD/nin seems a bit pointless?

Not when a mob that hits for 600-1k comes swingin at your DD's lol. Your DD's get 7 shadows. Can easily put up another set of shadows if they time their casting. And stuns should be in place for magic.

[Fupafighter]

6 shadows. my bad.

[Arcon]

Not many temporary items.
No Abyssites.
No atma(cites)
No leeches randomly entering


I actually love this part too. I have a very distinct problem with temp items and ridiculous buffs, several in fact. Aside from making the game easier, which I don't necessarily have a problem with, it also makes it hard to calculate the efficiency of your job and of gear. You can gear for whatever you want, there's always gonna be special cases that make all your calculations useless. In Abyssea it was Atma that completely screwed your calculations over. You had to use special gear and occasionally even special weapon skills to perform at your best. In VW again all your calculations are skewed by a drastically shortened TP phase and a lot higher fTP on average. It's hard to judge what's best anymore when every situation requires different assumptions. I simply wanted to play "as is" again, play my own character, the stats I have and the gear I have, nothing else. And for that, I love Legion already.

Temp item spam was never much fun. It kinda defeated the purpose of what I was gearing and skilling for. It's not about easy vs. hard or old vs. new, it simply didn't feel like FFXI, like the game I was usually playing, and in fact, none of VW is. BLMs don't nuke, they don't do damage, they proc. Same as every job that doesn't have a high-end weapon and happens to be a heavy hitter. DDs don't gear for PDT or MDT much, they use temps. They have nearly 0 TP phase, they have no need to gear for Haste or DA/TA, instead they have Miser's Roll and Save TP (or well, they used to, let's see how it'll change now). People don't need tactics and they don't need preparation. They rarely even need to pay attention. It seems like the EXP aspect of Abyssea translated into the endgame aspect of VW, where a group of 18 does their average in a relaxed setting and has no trouble pulling it off. It just didn't feel like the game I was normally playing. It seemed like a dumbed down version of it.

I've been longing for something like Legion, simply because it feels more like a game where you actually have to play and try to win than anything else. It's still not exactly what I was looking for, but I hope the future dungeon crawl system will be just that. It's definitely a good start.

[Fupafighter]

Wonder how much the -1 armor will be now lol.

[Elexia]

He's not Saying FFXI back in the day was hard. It's more the case of not any tom and jerry can do this with their eyes closed.

Sounds like you have a problem with the biggest playerbase in online gaming now.

[Oscar71]

I hate legion. The area is tiny and DD's die too fast.

[Fupafighter]

I hate legion. The area is tiny and DD's die too fast.
Sadly true. And people don't understand what kiting means lol. Mean's you throw on your movement speed and kite around a pillar lol, not run at the whm begging for a cure and get us all aoe lol.

[Fupafighter]

Amazing how ya can't outrun a turtle :P

[Elexia]

Amazing how ya can't outrun a turtle :P

Honestly, turtles just lie in wait for you to slip up ONCE, then it's all over. Legion would be really good with the right adjustments. No it's not "too hard", but it's also creating a very minimalistic mindset that Uncharted Nyzul created, basically something the majority of the playerbase will never really get into.

[Babekeke]

I hate legion. The area is tiny and DD's die too fast.

Because too many DDs now have forgotten what it means to let the tank tank. Hold back if you get low on HP, and outrun big aga spells if you can, or if you're monk (or other jobs with a stun ws, but mnk in particular since all their ws bar VS suck), use shoulder tackle instead of a bigger ws just to help to keep yourself and your team mates alive.

[Fupafighter]

Because too many DDs now have forgotten what it means to let the tank tank. Hold back if you get low on HP, and outrun big aga spells if you can, or if you're monk (or other jobs with a stun ws, but mnk in particular since all their ws bar VS suck), use shoulder tackle instead of a bigger ws just to help to keep yourself and your team mates alive.
Enmity isn't what It used to be. Turtle and behemoth resist stun btw. I can go in and use one fudo or shoha, and take hate off a ochain/almace/aegis pld because of the current system, and thats just to open a magic burst and back off again >.< They made plds invincible really, but they didn't give them a higher cap on enmity sadly :/ As for outrunning aga, people should also have a MDT set too. I've done a few runs now, and it seems you need actual skilled relic/empy/mythic people that understand their jobs.

[Hayward]

Enmity isn't what It used to be. Turtle and behemoth resist stun btw. I can go in and use one fudo or shoha, and take hate off a ochain/almace/aegis pld because of the current system, and thats just to open a magic burst and back off again >.< They made plds invincible really, but they didn't give them a higher cap on enmity sadly :/ As for outrunning aga, people should also have a MDT set too. I've done a few runs now, and it seems you need actual skilled relic/empy/mythic people that understand their jobs.

You can thank some of your fellow parser-obsessed melees (they know who they are) and the developers for that. Heaven forbid Paladins actually become able to do their jobs without having to rely on knowing the right people for the "right" equipment. No, S-E devs, Almace and Ochain are NOT substitutes for improving overall Sword/Great Sword/Shield performance--don't bother with the flippant talking points about Almace and Ochain being "easy" to get--and does not justify not giving Paladins some amount of offensive Job Traits to supplement the job's ability to maintain enmity.

If you're going to give Melee jobs all these offensive adjustments without giving Paladins some way to keep things from spiraling out of control, why bother having the job at all?

[Fupafighter]

Even if all the DD were /thf and TA the PLD only, I can still see some jobs pulling hate eventually just because they caped enmity from swinging -.- because pld can't do any damage to legion mobs lol.

[Dazusu]

without giving Paladins some way to keep things from spiraling out of control

Paladins have absolutely no problem capping and keeping capped enmity.

The problem is that everyone else also reaches the cap very quickly

It needs either rescaling, or Paladin's enmity cap needs increasing via Job Trait or similar so their CE/VE caps 5~10% higher than any other jobs.

[Oscar71]

Amazing how ya can't outrun a turtle :P

Since its a very large turtle, its stride is enormous.

[CrAZYVIC]

For the 3 kings chamber my opinion is this.

Every Mob need to be treated in diferent way. If the people think Can Gear WAR/MNK/SAM and Go foward to the enemies they will fail terrible, no matter if the people have Mythic/Relic/Empyreal, this event Not is Abyssea or VoidWacth.

This event is a combination of Walk of echoes and Einherjar.

If you get 10 Empyreal DDS jobs and try zerg the mobs you will die so easy. No matter if the people are agresive parsers-

The Behemoth Can be Zerged yes is the only one. Is necesary Perfect Defense Cor + BRD and Some heavy WAR/MNK/DRK/SAM, if you dont have 1200 attack as minimiun your WS damage will suck ^_^.

If you Send Your 10 Relics DDS to fight vs the behemoth without Cor/brd and Perfect defense they all will mp sponges and you will end fucked i repeat is a zerg yes if you have the Necesary.


For the wyrm. You can zerg it until it START FLY. Here the strategy change a lot, you need DDS with Solid Ranged Attacks sets and some Nukers.

The DDS use ranged attack on the mobl and nuke it until the wyrm return to the floor. Jobs without Ranged attacks recurses will be a slot wasted.

Vs the Turtle all Mele damage is useless again, you can send your 15 empyreal jobs and all they will fail miserable doing 100 - 500 dmg ^_^. The turtle Need Nukers.


So the Behemoth is for Strong MELE JOBS. WAR/MNK/SAM/DRK/DRG
The wyrm is for Ranged attack jobs and nukers
The turtle is for the Nukers jobs.

If you build your ally with a nice balance. Probably you can give a good fight.

If you get random people in a shout and you cant ZERG the behemoth quickly, make they Sub /THF. Ranged attacks for Build 100% tp, then TA WS on the tank and repeat. The problem random shout people is you will time out without even kill the wyrm.

In WoE the pet jobs worked VERY WELL because you haved LONG time for complete the fight. Here is another story probably you time out in the second mob because the BP limitation, Puppet nukes limitation etc.

This event giveme some memories Kited King Behemoth, Aspi and kited kirin lol

[Cabalabob]

Paladins have absolutely no problem capping and keeping capped enmity.

The problem is that everyone else also reaches the cap very quickly

It needs either rescaling, or Paladin's enmity cap needs increasing via Job Trait or similar so their CE/VE caps 5~10% higher than any other jobs.

Try taking a sch, maybe animus augeo and animus minuo were brought in for stuff like this, it just came out at the time when hate stopped mattering so got ignored. Having a slower hate gain rate from minuo might actually help now though.

[Fupafighter]

Treat the turtle like the KS99 lol, MB the shit out of it. throw 2 sam or something on the turtle and make them spam darkness. Same can be said for the wyrm with your rangers. People just need more agressive ways to kill this stuff faster >.< Magic burst seems like a great source if people actually remember wtf that is.

[Mahoro]

It's always the same. On day one the idiotic LS think it's cool to have PLD tank (becoz the mobs are hard guyz) then more people do the event and transform it into a zerk. On day three everyone will throw 2.5K HP monks on them split in 3 parties or alliances, until everyone realizes that the drops suck balls that is.

Every square inch of this post is misinformed.

And regarding drops, sure there are some sidegrade melee drops, but the mage drops are a lot better, such as the WHM and SMN pieces. No, there is probably nothing for your MNK :P

[Fupafighter]

Every square inch of this post is misinformed.

And regarding drops, sure there are some sidegrade melee drops, but the mage drops are a lot better, such as the WHM and SMN pieces. No, there is probably nothing for your MNK :P
Don't argue with marko lol. He zergs ADL down and thinks mythics suck compared to relics haha.

[Asymptotic]

And regarding drops, sure there are some sidegrade melee drops, but the mage drops are a lot better, such as the WHM and SMN pieces. No, there is probably nothing for your MNK :P

Sorry, WHM and SMN pieces don't really sustain an event! It's sad, but true.

[Mahoro]

Not alone, but those were just examples. Reason I used the phrase "such as."

And hell, melee sidegrades sustain VW, unless people will start arguing those VW bodies they are going 0/400 on are "game-changing". It's sad, but true.

[Dazusu]

Don't argue with marko lol. He zergs ADL down and thinks mythics suck compared to relics haha.

Largely, they do. Some exceptions granted.

[Hayward]

Not alone, but those were just examples. Reason I used the phrase "such as."

And hell, melee sidegrades sustain VW, unless people will start arguing those VW bodies they are going 0/400 on are "game-changing". It's sad, but true.

Sorry, but not much of anything in Voidwatch impresses me enough to ditch the AF3 +1/+2 sets I've collected. Some of the accessories are very impressive and I've bought a few (the Stoichieon Medal and Impatiens are top-drawer), but the Armor pieces aren't impressive enough to the point where I'm looking for a /shout with the same eagerness I had with AF3 +1/+2 NMs.

[Karbuncle]

Largely, they do. Some exceptions granted.

The only problem is he doesn't seem to get the "Most" part of it. He seems to think "all.".

[Dazusu]

...

What did I just read? My eyes.... Burning...

On that note, You don't need PD to zerg the Behemoth.

[MarkovChain]

Anything good yet came out of this cheap event ? Oh and no worries when salvage came out all my allies (lol) used PLD tank (lol) and everyone died (haha). I'll give you the strategies that people will use in a few weeks :

Enter with 36.

first ally : 15 melees, 1 BRD, 2 WHM
second ally : their 18 SMN mules.

or variations of the above.

I think I've read there were 7 mobs per chamber ? Without PD that would be 4 minutes to kill each mob top, and if you account for pulling and rebuffing that would be 3 minutes per so... might as well PD most of the fights..

[Fupafighter]

Largely, they do. Some exceptions granted.
Like sam drg and drg. He keeps saying that sam can't maintain aftermath lvl 3 fulltime. Meditate is 230 for me and grats 180 tp, and by the time it's done ticking, It gives me 300 tp from swings too. He seems to think that maintaining aftermath is useless when it last 3 minutes and basically doubles your ws frequency.

[Fupafighter]

drk* . . . . .

[Savlyn]

lol you do know there is an edit post button, right...?

[Alkimi]

Anything good yet came out of this cheap event ? Oh and no worries when salvage came out all my allies (lol) used PLD tank (lol) and everyone died (haha). I'll give you the strategies that people will use in a few weeks :

Enter with 36.

first ally : 15 melees, 1 BRD, 2 WHM
second ally : their 18 SMN mules.

or variations of the above.

I think I've read there were 7 mobs per chamber ? Without PD that would be 4 minutes to kill each mob top, and if you account for pulling and rebuffing that would be 3 minutes per so... might as well PD most of the fights..

Would work for some of it but at least 1 type in each hall is pretty zerg proof:

Wyrm - Takes to the air at a certain % HP. Have to deal damage in the air to bring him down. Could probably do it with blood pacts but Gregale wing and Sleet Blast (both 30' range) will seriously wreck you without PD and sufficient healing.
Turtles - Hugely resistant to physical damage.
Hydras - Uses physical shield.
Amphipteres - Use that 'wander around with perma knockback' thing.
Sandworms - Absorb damage a lot of the time.
Vampire - Uses Charmga.

Seems to be best to bring a mix if you're doing with lots of people. Melee DDs have their place but so do rangers, BLMs and particularly PLDs here, would want at least 2 to tank the other mobs because you can't really fight 1 at a time without aggroing another.

On another note I don't think anyone has noticed any difference between 18 and 36-man versions, they seem to be identical.

[CrAZYVIC]

I did another run today with a JP group

We taked down the Behe and the wyrm and time out with the turtle.

The strategy we used was Pet jobs and nukers. The Behemoth and the Wyrm was killed quickly the problem was the turtle.

The tank cant keep the hate and the BLMS die a lot
The turtle keep dispeling your buffs -_-
The damage Predator claws was inconsistent vs the turtle





Like sam drg and drg. He keeps saying that sam can't maintain aftermath lvl 3 fulltime. Meditate is 230 for me and grats 180 tp, and by the time it's done ticking, It gives me 300 tp from swings too. He seems to think that maintaining aftermath is useless when it last 3 minutes and basically doubles your ws frequency.


Im sure a skilled samurai like you can Fudo 300% and then spam Shoha during AM is active. I hope in our server more Legion shouts pop =O-

[wish12oz]

While I understand gear is important, I see plenty of empy/relic holders that completely suck.

Sounds like nothings changed since 75 cap, in at least this one aspect.

[Mahoro]

The damage Predator claws was inconsistent vs the turtle


Does. Not. Compute. ;;

[Monchat]

Tried it a few times with an old-school Einherjar-like setup + 2 tanks/support. Went pretty well, and will go better with some refinements to group setup (more BLM!)


Implying that you brought tanks and black mages to einherjar lol? an event that by definition was a mindless zergfest except odin... Black mage was like the most useless job overthere.

[MarkovChain]

Like sam drg and drg. He keeps saying that sam can't maintain aftermath lvl 3 fulltime. Meditate is 230 for me and grats 180 tp, and by the time it's done ticking, It gives me 300 tp from swings too. He seems to think that maintaining aftermath is useless when it last 3 minutes and basically doubles your ws frequency.

SAM fanboy here. The same guy explaining us that throwing PLD at it is safer than blindless DDing explains us that it is easy to maintain AM3 on it. Also since noone responded, it leads me to the conclusion that all drops found plainly suck and that none of your strats have worked to clear any wing. Try again with PD ^^.

[Alkimi]

Implying that you brought tanks and black mages to einherjar lol? an event that by definition was a mindless zergfest except odin... Black mage was like the most useless job overthere.

We always brought one of each. A PLD to pull the mobs and a BLM for sleepga/sleepga 2, you could argue using BRDs for horde lullaby but a 30 second sleep with a small AoE didn't really cut it in those days. That's all they did though, the rest of the people there were just 'merit parties'.

[Alkimi]

Back on the subject of Legion I'd say the 30 minute time limit needs to be doubled at least, or half the HP of all the NMs in there.

As it stands I doubt anyone could clear all 7 mobs, no matter how much PD you throw at it.

[hiko]

suggestion: add TE when a wave is defeated!!

[Arcon]

Implying that you brought tanks and black mages to einherjar lol?

That's not what he said. And BLM was useful for Sleepga.

[Fupafighter]

I did another run today with a JP group

We taked down the Behe and the wyrm and time out with the turtle.

The strategy we used was Pet jobs and nukers. The Behemoth and the Wyrm was killed quickly the problem was the turtle.

The tank cant keep the hate and the BLMS die a lot
The turtle keep dispeling your buffs -_-
The damage Predator claws was inconsistent vs the turtle







Im sure a skilled samurai like you can Fudo 300% and then spam Shoha during AM is active. I hope in our server more Legion shouts pop =O-
Nah AM3 for empies is only worth it in VW. Legion unless Im sitting on the side with the TP, just seems pointless. I hear people are making Legion LS's on my server. Ima have to get in one and hope they arent bad haha :D

[Fupafighter]

Throwing perfect defense at everything isn't going to get you a win that easy man lol. Won't work on turtle, and you would need a hell of alot of perfect defenses to win on these NMs, meaning a lack of DDs. And pleeeeeeeaaassse for the love of god say you have tried the damn event instead of speculating and saying you have tried it, mister "sam doesn't gain tp as fast as a mnk" and you have lvl 0 sam.

[Alkimi]

The damage Predator claws was inconsistent vs the turtle


I think I've found the problem. Shiva's Heavenly Strike would have been a much better option.

[Mahoro]

I think I've found the problem. Shiva's Heavenly Strike would have been a much better option.

Yeah that was what I was getting to with my "Does. Not. Compute" post lol. Reminds me of when WoE SMN's used PC on the bones....

[Alkimi]

Yeah that was what I was getting to with my "Does. Not. Compute" post lol. Reminds me of when WoE SMN's used PC on the bones....

Oh they still do.

[Asymptotic]

Not alone, but those were just examples. Reason I used the phrase "such as."

And hell, melee sidegrades sustain VW, unless people will start arguing those VW bodies they are going 0/400 on are "game-changing". It's sad, but true.

Those melee sidegrades have unique models!

[Karbuncle]

Oh they still do.

Its this kind of thing that makes me believe todays generation of FFXI Players wear their pants on their head and are just idiots all together. (LOL NOTHINGS CHANGES)

Is it that hard to learn about Resistances? Bones Strong to Piercing/Slashing, Weak to Blunt. So simple. I'd use Ifrit. Cause he's a Bone Crushing killer. Even worse off, Physical Bloodpacts on something CLEARLY Heavily Physically resistant... just makes me want to punch them in the throat. Any of the Level 75 BP's would have been better, bar the one ada resists.

Done ranting now :(

[Hayward]

Its this kind of thing that makes me believe todays generation of FFXI Players wear their pants on their head and are just idiots all together. (LOL NOTHINGS CHANGES)

Is it that hard to learn about Resistances? Bones Strong to Piercing/Slashing, Weak to Blunt. So simple. I'd use Ifrit. Cause he's a Bone Crushing killer. Even worse off, Physical Bloodpacts on something CLEARLY Heavily Physically resistant... just makes me want to punch them in the throat. Any of the Level 75 BP's would have been better, bar the one ada resists.

Done ranting now :(

You're likely talking to Korroloka-raised Summoners. Those details are going to go right over their heads.

[CrAZYVIC]

I think I've found the problem. Shiva's Heavenly Strike would have been a much better option.

I was on BLM that fight. The jp summoners in my Ally were insisting use Predator Claws vs the turtle. This is the problem join Random Shouts, you find people dont know how play their jobs -_-.

@Fupa

I agree with you in this Perfect Defense strategy cant be used in all. Perfect defense is effective a lot of situations but there still existing exceptions

[MarkovChain]

Monks can not tank this stuff, you need a proper old school hnm style alliance.

Think before you speak and do some research/try it yourself.

How do you know since noone can clear anything lol. I just think someone want to justify its PLD. Honestly if you don't put DD your killing speed will be garbage. RNG neccesarily steal hate and only BLM can work with PLD. I'm sure someone will find a way to deal with the turtle. My guess is that all the noob doing this enter the zone and go 36 vs 1, so of course they wipe. W/e you do if there are 7 mobs to kill in 30 min it means something has to be zerged down. 4 minutes to kill a NM with a few black mages seems irrealistic but since the event requires 36, bringing a few BLM doesn't hurt anything. The perfect defense startegies will work probably since the initial mobs will have something killable w/o PD like a wyrm.

But hey come here giving lesson about "how it must be done" when you've done it. Also all I see is no valuable drops has been shown so it's either that noone can kill anything or there is no decent drops. I wonder what they think when they release this/nyzul on the test server. Noone can test it .. it requires 36. Man. QQ more and they will ajust it.

[macross]

What are you talking about no one can clear anything? We've already gotten to the boss chamber and killed 2 of the bosses. You don't have to clear the full chamber, just one wave to get the trophy to progress. It's like doing 4 chambers then fighting odin after that type of progression. The best stuff likely drops in the boss rooms. As to if the 4 normal chambers drop anything great who knows. We'd need 36 to kill them all and we only go with 18. But we've downed 4/7 with 18. 2/4 bosses in the final chamber.

I guess we know who's LS is better now yah markov? We've been putting our 99 empys and 99 relics to good use, unlike you. Cleared all the VW's as well. Once people try and die more they will figure out ways to win. Problem with pickups is you try and die and give up, and learn nothing.

One thing we got was a 5 str 10 attack 25 save stp gkt.

[Fupafighter]

What are you talking about no one can clear anything? We've already gotten to the boss chamber and killed 2 of the bosses. You don't have to clear the full chamber, just one wave to get the trophy to progress. It's like doing 4 chambers then fighting odin after that type of progression. The best stuff likely drops in the boss rooms. As to if the 4 normal chambers drop anything great who knows. We'd need 36 to kill them all and we only go with 18. But we've downed 4/7 with 18. 2/4 bosses in the final chamber.

I guess we know who's LS is better now yah markov? We've been putting our 99 empys and 99 relics to good use, unlike you. Cleared all the VW's as well. Once people try and die more they will figure out ways to win. Problem with pickups is you try and die and give up, and learn nothing.

One thing we got was a 5 str 10 attack 25 save stp gkt.

What kind of a setup did you use? And yes mac is just dumb lol. He thinks you should PD kill everything, because that's a legit strategy lol.

[macross]

We used diff setups, mostly 2 ochain/aegis plds, war sam rangers blms brds healers. Some rooms more nuking is better, sometimes smn dmg is decent, sometimes easier to melee. Even did skillchains on some mobs to try to kill em faster hehe. We'd use smn when hate was an issue. Easiest rooms gotta be the fafnir/behemoth/turtle,then maybe the vampire/pw/corse one. cerb/hydra/khimmy then ixion/sandworm/amphi after perhaps. Boss room was hahava/mantis/iron giant/harpy all at once hehe.

Expect to die and try often anyhow. Learn even if you wipe and try again and you will probably win. We basically would hold 2 mobs and kill the third. Which to kill first, it depends. More info should be posted on BG in the thread there.

Gonna team up with another LS and try a 36man run on monday and see how it goes.

[Fupafighter]

We used diff setups, mostly 2 ochain/aegis plds, war sam rangers blms brds healers. Some rooms more nuking is better, sometimes smn dmg is decent, sometimes easier to melee. Even did skillchains on some mobs to try to kill em faster hehe. We'd use smn when hate was an issue. Easiest rooms gotta be the fafnir/behemoth/turtle,then maybe the vampire/pw/corse one. cerb/hydra/khimmy then ixion/sandworm/amphi after perhaps. Boss room was hahava/mantis/iron giant/harpy all at once hehe.

Expect to die and try often anyhow. Learn even if you wipe and try again and you will probably win. We basically would hold 2 mobs and kill the third. Which to kill first, it depends. More info should be posted on BG in the thread there.

Gonna team up with another LS and try a 36man run on monday and see how it goes.

Thanks. Seems like front line DD are basically pointless unless they can control hate huh.

[MarkovChain]

What are you talking about no one can clear anything? We've already gotten to the boss chamber and killed 2 of the bosses. You don't have to clear the full chamber, just one wave to get the trophy to progress. It's like doing 4 chambers then fighting odin after that type of progression. The best stuff likely drops in the boss rooms. As to if the 4 normal chambers drop anything great who knows. We'd need 36 to kill them all and we only go with 18. But we've downed 4/7 with 18. 2/4 bosses in the final chamber.

I guess we know who's LS is better now yah markov? We've been putting our 99 empys and 99 relics to good use, unlike you. Cleared all the VW's as well. Once people try and die more they will figure out ways to win. Problem with pickups is you try and die and give up, and learn nothing.

One thing we got was a 5 str 10 attack 25 save stp gkt.
Congrats on the useless achievements, I'm waiting to hear what you got from not clearing the boss rooms nor not clearing the non boss rooms. Nice crap Gkatana. Also I don't set foot in a event knowing it's fail in advance. What makes an event is primarly rewards then the somewhat fun part in it. Einherjar was 30 minutes with 36 and there were only one HNM type boss in the end, obviously it's unbalanced. Meanwhile I'll save my time doing 100 millions every 2 days from ADL ty.

[Galadrial]

Also I don't set foot in a event knowing it's fail in advance. What makes an event is primarly rewards then the somewhat fun part in it.

I think you got that backwards... It's a game at the end of the day, should be played to have FUN first before anything, Rewards are nice certainly, but if you don't actually have fun doing it then you really shouldn't be playing.

[MarkovChain]

Doing rewarding content is fun not the other way around, you are mixing everything.

[Galadrial]

Thank you for agreeing with my point, I find spending time with my friends doing an event, regardless of it's rewards, rewarding in itself, think you have a skewed idea of what rewarding content is.

[Mahoro]

Congrats on the useless achievements, I'm waiting to hear what you got from not clearing the boss rooms nor not clearing the non boss rooms. Nice crap Gkatana. Also I don't set foot in a event knowing it's fail in advance. What makes an event is primarly rewards then the somewhat fun part in it. Einherjar was 30 minutes with 36 and there were only one HNM type boss in the end, obviously it's unbalanced. Meanwhile I'll save my time doing 100 millions every 2 days from ADL ty.

I have a suggestion Pchan. Why don't you stop castigating peoples' efforts at clearing or not clearing boss rooms while at the same time declaring that you are waiting to hear further reports, and that you will not set foot in an event knowing it is fail? Why don't you stop being inconsistent? In fact, why don't you stop posting in a thread for an event you clearly dont care about, even though there are undiscovered drops people might want like Drachenhorn, A'as Circlet, Ngen Seraweels, Esper Earring, Adamas, Samis Ensis, and the Legion item that allows one to augment items such as Iaso Boots? Yes, i realize none of those items are for MNk and will not allow you to kill ADL in 0.045 seconds faster.

Just continue to spend your days farming and refarming Nyzul and ADL until you get bored and quit FFXI. The rest of us will be just fine here without you.

[Fupafighter]

Think Pchan got a manpon up his ass lol.

[Alkimi]

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/alkimiva/ffxi_20120331_194553-1.png

What the hell SE?

[Karbuncle]

lol dayum >_>

[Alkimi]

Yeah we tried it today with 18. Fun for something different but broken as all hell, might try it again once the inevitable fix comes along.

[MarkovChain]

Drachenhorn, A'as Circlet, Ngen Seraweels, Esper Earring, Adamas, Samis Ensis,

I hope your are not serious. Melee rdm healer ftw. Sagasinger better. Is that really the only things left ?



and the Legion item that allows one to augment items such as Iaso Boots? Yes, i realize none of those items are for MNk and will not allow you to kill ADL in 0.045 seconds faster.

Those are only good for rdm and whm is better at anything. The last update to cures means WHM cure as much as cure V with cure 4 - aka WHM boost.



Just continue to spend your days farming and refarming Nyzul and ADL until you get bored and quit FFXI. The rest of us will be just fine here without you.

No not the rest, people keep complaining at this event. It will have the same fate as WOE, which keeps getting updated and nobody does.

We need to be realistic and consider what is worth doing atm with the multiplicty of content :

Voidwatch - I don't need to explain the problem(s) [could be fixed with last tier]
Dynamis - Best success of last year (coins supply) and ADL.
Nyzul - first it was chaos then it was fixed and you see plenty of people wearing level 100 gear in town already - late success.
Legion - everyone is wating for drops, this will decide its fate too.

The clearly want different people to do different content. Like casual farming Dynamis to supply others with coins. Eexperienced farming ADL to finish relics. Wealthy people to buy riftdross/cinder & metal plate to make the economy work again, all this farmed into voidwatch by casual players. Casual players can have a shot at some of the gretest gear in Nyzul - experienced players don't have advantage. All this seems rather balanced.

Now to determine what they expect us to do with legion, they advertized it as a rewarding event. If the only purpose is to beat HNMs without temp item, then my bad ! It doesn't change the fact that noone will do it.

[Mahoro]

No, that's not all that's left. I thought it was clear my list was a sampling of the items not discovered, but thanks for picking out ONE item on that list and using an inapplicable analogy that assumes someone doesn't use macros in order to disprove its utility.

Also, the Iaso Boots, again, was one example. The item that drops in Legion final chamber allows Synergy augmentation of the list of 20 or so abjuration armors that was in the update notes, of which Iaso Boots was but one example. There haven't even been reports of possible augments yet.

Look, in the end, Legion could really be a mediocre event. I try not to judge shit till people fully document it, but I don't declare an event fail prematurely and then castigate everyone trying to do so. Moreover, I agree it is in dire need of tweaks to give a bit more time for each chamber.

[MarkovChain]

All this seems like a plot to revive crafting through crafting cursed items. The simple idea of having to do both voidwatch spams with 18 and those rooms with 36 makes be very doubtful about the feasbility - at 75 getting 30+ for odin rooms was already painful; add to this the random part of augments and the shared pool.

[Mahoro]

Yeah, it's pretty much an event designed with LS's in mind. I would never join a PUG Legion and not only have to overcome herculean odds clearing chambers but then lot against 18 or 36 other people. :(

[MarkovChain]

and losing key items. It a worse system than einherjar v1, but this time no time restriction on entry.

[macross]

Congrats on the useless achievements, I'm waiting to hear what you got from not clearing the boss rooms nor not clearing the non boss rooms. Nice crap Gkatana. Also I don't set foot in a event knowing it's fail in advance. What makes an event is primarly rewards then the somewhat fun part in it. Einherjar was 30 minutes with 36 and there were only one HNM type boss in the end, obviously it's unbalanced. Meanwhile I'll save my time doing 100 millions every 2 days from ADL ty.


This is what people use to say when we were killing PW at lvl 75, when they couldn't kill it and were jealous of our achievements. "oh the loot isn't worth it, but we could kill it if we wanted to. Waste of our time etc"

My LS does plenty of woe. We just don't like doing it because people come in and leech off our hard work. That and we had to wait a game day every time.
We'd clear room 15 and leechs come in and win 10m gil gloves etc for doing nothing.

[MarkovChain]

Nah you don't do woe because the rewards suck, you are like everyone.

[Monchat]

There are a few good rewards in WoE but nothing worth making it an LS event, as they are mostly minimal side grades, those items are sellable anyway. The items I have that come from there, I bought off the AH, because the event is bad designed and the drop rates are stupid. For MNK (and many other jobs like NIN and THF for me) there is Fugacity Beret ( sidegrade to ... empress hairpin, a level 21 item), fugacity mantle (sidegrade to boxer's) and Nomkhapa mittens (this one is a decent upgrade).

[Alkimi]

It does need better rewards. Unless Arise/Meteor only drop from final chamber or something.

The enchantments on those rings should be permanent stats, then most of them would be worthwhile and people would grind out the points for them.

[Babekeke]

Nah you don't do woe because the rewards suck, you are like everyone.

Yeah I hate the fact that I can clear flux 3 in 15 mins with 6 people and get a 500k Head piece or a 2 mil whm neck piece, or even 200k feet, on top of the usual WoE weapon upgrade items. And now you can do that 4 times an hour because we don't have to wait anymore, pausing only to warp and sell stuff on AH.


It does need better rewards. Unless Arise/Meteor only drop from final chamber or something.

The enchantments on those rings should be permanent stats, then most of them would be worthwhile and people would grind out the points for them.

Meteor already drops from tier 6 jeuno, tier 3 zilart and tier 2 CoP VWNMs, probably more by now.

[CrAZYVIC]

I liked legion at the start but now im disapointed.

I was expecting something like Einherjar ver 2. Not Walk Of echoes ver 2 -_-

I was expecting 3 hordes of enemies like a einherjar tier 3. With mobs lv 107 - 110 IT for lv 99 characters, with a lot variations and 1 mega boss for end the chamber. Not 3 Mega bosses in a short square hiting for 1k and destroying every mele job in the range.

The reward system. A system like Dynamis Relics drops and abbysea crour for legion Points.

So far if you are DRK/SAM/MNK/DRG/WAR/THF/DNC/NIN. You are fucked in this event, with enemies using Nasty tp moves and 1 shoting you Legion can be a very frustating event.


Talking clear. If you not are doing a range 30 000 damage in 30 mins of legion YOU not are putting your weight in the event. Probably you win using mele jobs but that will be a Leeched win..Yeah like in WoE thanks to the Pet jobs/Nukers/Ranged jobs.

I dont want sound elitish but if you not are doing as minimiun this amount of damage per legion As "DD" you are a "Slot wasted in the ally"

I hope in the next weeks i get more information about the drops, new chambers etc. For now is Walk echoes with a reservation system.

[Alkimi]

Meteor already drops from tier 6 jeuno, tier 3 zilart and tier 2 CoP VWNMs, probably more by now.

There's no proof of this, nobody has seen a screenshot anywhere. Probably comes from either Provenance or maybe somewhere in Legion that nobody's beaten yet.

[Sparthos]

Meteor already drops from tier 6 jeuno, tier 3 zilart and tier 2 CoP VWNMs, probably more by now.

Pics or stop spreading bullshit please.

[Monchat]

Yeah I hate the fact that I can clear flux 3 in 15 mins with 6 people and get a 500k Head piece or a 2 mil whm neck piece, or even 200k feet, on top of the usual WoE weapon upgrade items. And now you can do that 4 times an hour because we don't have to wait anymore, pausing only to warp and sell stuff on AH.



Meteor already drops from tier 6 jeuno, tier 3 zilart and tier 2 CoP VWNMs, probably more by now.

you make it sound like its 100% drop lol. come to my server and farm the neck for my whm mule, nobody will.

[Mahoro]

There are a few good rewards in WoE but nothing worth making it an LS event, as they are mostly minimal side grades, those items are sellable anyway. The items I have that come from there, I bought off the AH, because the event is bad designed and the drop rates are stupid. For MNK (and many other jobs like NIN and THF for me) there is Fugacity Beret ( sidegrade to ... empress hairpin, a level 21 item), fugacity mantle (sidegrade to boxer's) and Nomkhapa mittens (this one is a decent upgrade).

You just named 3 items you would have bought off the AH for 1-2 jobs. Think how many more there are for other jobs (and how expensive some are on the AH), and then read the first line of your post again and try to find some logic :P

[Babekeke]

you make it sound like its 100% drop lol. come to my server and farm the neck for my whm mule, nobody will.

Our group does 1 WoE run before spamming abyssea for empys. We've done flux 3 ~10 times in total now. So far 9/10 runs we didn't get a neck piece. 1/10 runs 3 people got it. This doesn't include if anyone got it who joined in with us but wasn't in our group.

[Karbuncle]

Not 3 Mega bosses in a short square hiting for 1k and destroying every mele job in the range.

How could you not be expecting that when thats all thats been advertised since its introduction >_>? Every post about it has been centered around that idea right here on these forums D:.

I think it was described once as "Einherjar with only Bosses".

[Monchat]

Our group does 1 WoE run before spamming abyssea for empys. We've done flux 3 ~10 times in total now. So far 9/10 runs we didn't get a neck piece. 1/10 runs 3 people got it. This doesn't include if anyone got it who joined in with us but wasn't in our group.

ok so thats why nobody does it on my server: not worth it. I might have to go myself and get it on my own..

[macross]

Should have left the old 10 drops from a chest system, and just had you reserve it. Legion would be great if you got 10 drops per wave like how woe used to be. As it is now, you get 1 drop per kill, and you can get crap like quivers and crap spells no one cares about anymore.

Even if they made super loot drop there, you and your 4 monks wont clear jack, then state you could clear it if you wanted to, it's just not worth your time.

Woe drops went down in price cause people would just spam them with smns. Before the level changes when you had to be of proper lvl and smns got destroyed, we made alot of gil doing woe. Smns can't clear room #15, thus those gloves are 10m. But my ls can clear it, it's the smns all come in and leech our efforts, thus no one does room 15. Believe me if you could reserve woe for just your shell, we'd be farmign the hell out of woe.

[MarkovChain]

10M as linkshell for a pair of gloves is still light-years away from good gil anyway.

[Mahoro]

Yeah man, everybody should be leveling DNC and THF and farm Dyna 365 days a year. Force everyone in the shell to be a gil-proccing machine. Opportunity cost, RIGHT????!! Quick Pchan, the time you are posting on this forum you could be out making gil in Dyna, charging 100k an hour for Abyssea XP leech spots, /shouting to sell your Umbral Marrow, or charging people to pop your T3 VNM's!

[Focan]

This is a very poorly designed system. No one on my server even attempts legion because the drops are garbage, there is no safe spot to wipe at when you enter, and only certain jobs (again) are useful. Needs a complete overhaul. Stop wasting our time SE.

[Mahoro]

Drops on the first wave of each chamber are definitely mediocre, jury's out on the rest. With Provenance out today, maybe we can get some insight into whether the drops I mentioned a few pages back, plus Meteor/Arise, come from here. I'm also definitely curious about the augments on the new abjuration gear (Huginn/Iaso/etc.) with the Legion Honor item. Hopefully by the time the crafting cap raises again and HQ synths are more common, SE will have tweaked this event ^^

[MarkovChain]

Ok one week has passed, this event is officially dead.

[macross]

Dead cause you cant go in an win? got 5/7 killed today, almost killed the 6th too.

Easy way to get people to do legion? put arise and meteor on the npc, purchasable with 10k legion points.

[MarkovChain]

It's dead don't bother. You will get a meteor scroll to split into 36, awesome. 36 men events were cool at 75. I'll tell you what's going to happen next.

- QQ
- more QQ
- test server ajustement
- ajustement
see ya in 3 months.

[Mahoro]

It's dead don't bother. You will get a meteor scroll to split into 36, awesome. 36 men events were cool at 75. I'll tell you what's going to happen next.

- QQ
- more QQ
- test server ajustement
- ajustement
see ya in 3 months.

Why would the Meteor scroll be split into 36? This is LS geared content and I imagine if Meteor drops someone will use points to lot as normal. You'd have to be an idiot to do this in PUGs and go against 36 people filling the screen with lots. Regardless, i hope Meteor and Arise drop in Provenance because right now Legion needs to be tweaked a bit to either increase time limits or decrease mob HP pools.

[MarkovChain]

Salvage will come out, everyone will spam mythics, and the gear will be better than the unfound items so far. This reminds me of certain bodies in voidwatch. The moment they released the previous tiers they inlcuded the dats of nyzlulz gear on the test server making it clear that it was not the effort. People want realistic rewards for their effort. They didn't include additonal gear with the mini update, there fore most of the unfound gear is in voidwatch, period. I saw a lot of QQ because you had to get 5 drops from ADl to complete a relic, but I don't see much from this cheap event (hnms in morion hotoruto ruins)

[Mahoro]

Yeah, that's why nobody does VW for the bodies anymore. Oh wait...

And "spamming" mythics/Salvage eh? Must have missed that update.

They've already discovered some drops in Provenance. They all have a certain "theme".

[Fupafighter]

Just because gear will come out 6 months from now, doesn't mean we are going to wait 6 months, when we don't even know if the gear will be better. For all we know, the armor we have for certain slots in VW and legion will be the best until like a future update a year from now. Why the hell would we stop trying to get stuff now?....

[MarkovChain]

It's not the best most of it is vastly inferior to AF3+2 and nyzul.

[MarkovChain]

Drachenhorn, A'as Circlet, Ngen Seraweels, Esper Earring, Adamas, Samis Ensis, and the Legion item that allows one to augment items such as Iaso Boots? Yes, i realize none of those items are for MNk and will not allow you to kill ADL in 0.045 seconds faster..

Oh look, not much left now. Let me guess :

meteor
arise
craft mats augments (are they even rare ex or are they sellable)

Back to nyzlulz girls.

[Mahoro]

Dude, I know English comprehension isn't your strong suit, but those were EXAMPLES. You even specifically left out the first part of that sentence that indicates that I was giving examples of a larger subset. I am not going to teach you English. What I am also not going to do is sit here and physically list each remaining undiscovered DAT. I'll leave that to people like you, who seem to exert a sense of schadenfreude in every single post in this thread for an event you clearly don't care about. Let me bold this one: your continual disturbing glee in posting in this thread tells us more about you than anything you are actually saying. You also don't even seem to be able to discover the answer to a rudimentary question about the Synergy augment item, even though you waste enough time posting in here.

You talk about AF3+2 and Nyzul equipment as if one should only be clearing that and attempting NOTHING else in this game, barring lowmanning ADL with a party of Empy MNKs for the express purpose of selling to earn more money. I've got news for you. Money can't buy certain ra/ex equipment. People are mostly capped on AF3+2. Nyzul is a short event on a tag timer. I will be doing it myself for Nares gear. But there is nothing wrong with people doing other content in the downtime to get certain pieces or scrolls that don't come from Nyzul. The farming of one event is NOT mutually exclusive to the farming of another, unless your total playtime is severely restricted. Except in Pchan's world, where if you aren't "spamming" once-a-day tagged content or a 2-hour time limit zone, you are apparently wasting your time.

However many good items Legion ends up having (and right now it appears to be skewed more toward premier mage pieces/scrolls), since Legion is LS content and not PUG friendly, any balanced LS will incorporate this event in the mix of other more melee-rewarding events. As a leader in one of the few large LS's left on my server who can do this content, I will expressly schedule this into the mix. I have expressly scheduled something like Dynamis Jeuno and Dynamis Beaucedine as an event, if for no other reason than because some of our best-attending members wanted Oneiros Grips/Avesta Bangles. These are the same members who attend ADL events for our melee without complaint. Indeed, the fact that Meteor and Arise MIGHT drop in Legion makes it reason enough for my LS to do the content. That's because we actually have an interest in gearing out EVERYONE in our LS, rather than just the tiny shouting Empy MNK who can't kill ADL 0.45 seconds faster with anything the event drops.

All that being said, and to get this thread back on topic for Camate, I am STILL in great support of increasing the time limit on this event to 45 minutes, which I feel is quite reasonable and comparable to an event like WoE which is MUCH MUCH easier.

[MarkovChain]

Wall of text to explain us it is worth spamming a crap event with 36 for meteor, that apparently doesn't even come from there. Hahaha. You are a little mad I think that I am correct from day one one this (as usual). Can't seriously compare adl do this - on one side you can get the best weapons for your melees, and on the other side only sidegrades if you are lucky on synth. Where are all the QQs that wanted to remove AF2 random augments ?

[saevel]

All that being said, and to get this thread back on topic for Camate, I am STILL in great support of increasing the time limit on this event to 45 minutes, which I feel is quite reasonable and comparable to an event like WoE which is MUCH MUCH easier.

Increasing the time to 45min and possibly reducing the HP of the NM's a bit. The fact people are talking about needing empy DD's to clear the first three in 30min is telling enough. SE said they didn't want to make content that required the best geared players to complete, this event screams needing the best just to get a pass. I like that it's tailored for LS's and large groups of pre-organized players who are comfortable playing with each other, I feel that was really missing in this game. Just need them to make it a bit more achievable.

[Mahoro]

Wall of text to explain us it is worth spamming a crap event with 36 for meteor, that apparently doesn't even come from there. Hahaha. You are a little mad I think that I am correct from day one one this (as usual). Can't seriously compare adl do this - on one side you can get the best weapons for your melees, and on the other side only sidegrades if you are lucky on synth. Where are all the QQs that wanted to remove AF2 random augments ?

1) A wall of text is an internet meme used to describe posts that are devoid of all organization, punctuation, or paragraph structure. Not posts that are clearly delineated, with headings or themes highlighted, and with proper punctuation. You might as well call a book a wall of text. Judging by your response, you probably approach either with equal revulsion.

2) Don't mistake a long argument in response to be "umad".

3) Even if Meteor comes from Provenance Watcher, as was rumored today, nothing you said negates anything in my post regarding how any balanced LS will mix in other events with Legion for the premier mage pieces/melee sidegrades and/or Arise (if the scroll comes from there). The farming of one event on a timed (Dynamis), tagged (Nyzul) basis does not exclude the farming of another event, unless your playtime is so severely restricted that you can only play a half hour or hour a day.

4) If Meteor truly comes from Provenance Watcher, I will actually CHEER, since I believe Legion in its current state REQUIRES an idealized alliance setup of 2 supercharged buffed melee parties, a tank party, 12 BLM's with Meteor, and a ranged damage party. I was worried that the event was caught in a Catch 22, that the event itself drops Meteor yet you need multiple max-power Meteors to even have a hope of clearing the massive HP pools of the mobs.

[MarkovChain]

Yes it does exlcude anything, doing multiple events as a linkshell (like apparently some FFXI dinausaurus STILL do) implies that noby progresses.

Do you have a level 99 relic ?
Do you have a level 99 empy ?
Do you have a full set of Nyzul gear ?

No. A signle dynamis run is 2 hours, people need money for basic neeeds, we all know how those 36-man-linkshell end up. Robbery everywhere, leader get shit first, anything SE wanted to avoid. You have been explaing us that the guy that wants oneiros grip has to farm this shit serveral times a week to please your BLMs, then ADL to please your melees, then random VW fights to please your gimps that can't farm gil for metal plates ?

So yes I'm 100% certain on how this event is going to end. It's about the same shit as woe V2.

[Mahoro]

LS events do not interfere with ANY of the goals you just listed.

1) Nyzul is 3 hours every 5-6 days.

2) We only do Dynamis as a LS (including ADL) a few times a month, once a week at most. People can farm Dyna like 26+ days of the month for money to buy their HMP's.

3) Empy 99 requires an endless stream of money to buy HMP's. See #2.

[MarkovChain]

3) If you think getting a level 99 is a difficult task you might want to go back to considering your play style seriously. Of course if you spam all day random crap like woe/legion with no bone in the end it's going to be a pain. I'm basically selling 6 marrows every today dude.

Even at 75 large LS were crap and anything was best done with multiple event linkshells.

[Mahoro]

Where in my last post did I say it was a difficult task? Making money in this game is hard?

Where in my last post did I say we spam Legion/WoE?



No. A signle dynamis run is 2 hours, people need money for basic neeeds, we all know how those 36-man-linkshell end up. Robbery everywhere, leader get shit first, anything SE wanted to avoid. You have been explaing us that the guy that wants oneiros grip has to farm this shit serveral times a week to please your BLMs, then ADL to please your melees, then random VW fights to please your gimps that can't farm gil for metal plates ?


Where did I say we do VW fights for metal plates?

Don't mistake the existence of crap LS's with shitty rules for good ones. Also, stop inventing strawmans and rebutting arguments I'm not making.

What you are doing in this thread is no longer constructive to providing SE with feedback or providing players with strategies for Legion. You are castigating the very existence of an event like this, by condemning each and every person/LS who wants to do the content, all in an attempt to justify how you feel about large LS's where you got burned or how you choose to spend your playtime (spamming ADL and making money for your umpteenth Relic/Emp). The very definition of a troll.

[MarkovChain]

Oh lol nvm, keep the SE white knighting. Hey guyz don't talk crap about legion, only positive feedback.

[Mahoro]

Except in the majority of my posts I have requested adjustment in the form of tweaking time limits and/or HP pools. But OK, if you see that as white-knighting 100% positive feedback....

[MarkovChain]

Meteor drops from from Voidwatch, according to JPs (apparently they are the only that can kill shit in the game), and they gave a pic, so yeah. DEAD EVENT™.

[macross]

oh, now you are sellin 6 marrows a day huh?

[Mahoro]

Meteor drops from from Voidwatch, according to JPs (apparently they are the only that can kill shit in the game), and they gave a pic, so yeah. DEAD EVENT™.

I addressed this in the last page of the thread. DEAD ARGUMENT.

[Fupafighter]

No'one cares about your relic 99s. It's gil, not hard to obtain. Back to legion please. Has anyone posted any good drops from legion? I can't seem to get any info.

[Alkimi]

There isn't any really. A few people have seen Vassal's Mantle (junk) but nobody can get anywhere near a "full clear" on any Hall even with max people.

[Monchat]

No'one cares about your relic 99s. It's gil, not hard to obtain. Back to legion please. Has anyone posted any good drops from legion? I can't seem to get any info.

thats what pchan is ranting about. Crap reward, Crap design, 36 people event. People have complained about those aspect from its implementation but SE doesn't care. This event is not Einherjar II its WoE II. dead 1 week after release.

[MarkovChain]

So I wake up and what do I see while having my breakfast ? Arise also comes from VW. Where are the HNM specialists that laughed at my PD-zerg startegy ? Apparently your bullcrap strats all lead you to fail, just saying.

[Fupafighter]

thats what pchan is ranting about. Crap reward, Crap design, 36 people event. People have complained about those aspect from its implementation but SE doesn't care. This event is not Einherjar II its WoE II. dead 1 week after release.

Then plain and simple, don't do it. Don't have to go crapping all over the aspect of it. Hell, if I had a LS that did legion, I would go. People play the game to have fun, shouldn't have to stress yourself out and cry if you don't get stuff on a game. My point is, we don't care about his mnk and perfect defense strategy. No matter how many times he says it, there is no way perfect defense will clear legion in time.... I can see it for shit mobs with no HP, but using a perfect defense strategy on a NMx3 with that much HP to clear one wave, it's just not going to work. I just want him to actually do the event a few times and then report back. If he clears the shit, then I will get on my damn knees and say "oh pchan you are godly". Til then, tell him to stfu and give useful suggestions. Don't need people crying about how this is useless and only do this or "you're doing it wrong and wasting your time".

[MarkovChain]

Let us complain about an event that we think does everything wrong. Now that those spell don't come from it there are hardly anyone that is going to do it. You need to team up with your wonderful SAMs/DRGs to show us how to do damage pupyfighter.

[Alkimi]

Has the potential to be a good event for bigger linkshells like mine. However until they either lower difficulty or give it worthwhile drops we're going to stay away it seems.

All we saw drop was xp scrolls and boost spells, and the rings for 1k points I wouldn't even buy off the AH let alone grind out HNM kills for.

[Mahoro]

Let us complain about an event that we think does everything wrong. Now that those spell don't come from it there are hardly anyone that is going to do it. You need to team up with your wonderful SAMs/DRGs to show us how to do damage pupyfighter.

And I addressed this already too previously. There are still some great undiscovered mage pieces and melee sidegrades, as well as the augmentation item for the abjuration gear. Certainly worth a half hour of a LS's time when something like Jailer of Love used to get the same attention for a Novio Earring. Even if you don't think bringing 36 is worth it, nobody is forcing you to not to bring 18 people. DEAD HORSE :P

The Perfect Defense strat also made me laugh out loud.

[MarkovChain]

Well your strats are funny too b/c you can't clear a single wing. And JoL only required 10 ppl... not 36, facepalm.

[Mahoro]

Well your strats are funny too b/c you can't clear a single wing. And JoL only required 10 ppl... not 36, facepalm.

Your arguments are even funnier because in this entire thread, I have been continually asking for adjustment to the event in the form of higher time or lower mob HP in order to clear 7/7 HNM in a wing. I don't think the event is perfect. The idea of it is sound, but in its current state it is way too hard to clear 7/7 HNM in 30 minutes barring any possible Meteor tricks, which are impossible to test at this time. The effort/reward ratio should be more akin to WoE.

And yeah, people always brought the bare minimum to JoL...

Back on topic...Camate, we hope to hear dev feedback on this event soon.

[MarkovChain]

they want your suggestion, not you to ask them to ajust it. Here are my suggestions

move from "18/36" to "6/12" make a wing clearable with 12, add loot.

[Luvbunny]

they want your suggestion, not you to ask them to ajust it. Here are my suggestions

move from "18/36" to "6/12" make a wing clearable with 12, add loot on your own treasure box, make ALL lot tradable to other people.

There I fixed it - having the lot be able to be lot by all will cause chaos or LS VIP privileges for the select LS leader favorites. Simply making the items tradable will prevent these, now you can have your own loot and sell/trade/bazaar as you please.

[Alkimi]

There I fixed it - having the lot be able to be lot by all will cause chaos or LS VIP privileges for the select LS leader favorites. Simply making the items tradable will prevent these, now you can have your own loot and sell/trade/bazaar as you please.

Not all big linkshells are corrupt as people seem to think for some reason, we've been going nearly six years and have always had a fair system to all members.

Most people I know don't want personal chests as SE just fill them with junk. We'd like to be able to distribute our drops like adults.

[Fupafighter]

Perfect defense isn't going to clear a 30 minute event with 7 HNM. Even with 2 cor and a lucky 2 hour reset. Lol I bet there is some strategy we just aren't seeing right now. I like the toughness of the event, but I do not like the amount of people that do it.

[MarkovChain]

Todays VU removed a drop from legion girls. Hilarous.

[Mahoro]

Reading comprehension fail? The fact that the NQ Shara's Fists were in Legion to begin with could be proof they were intended for this event but just not intended for Paramount Botulus (there are 6 other Paramount bosses). Rather, they were intended for whatever mob drops the Girru.