regardinf TH - unbalanced pet jobs

[Ihnako]

Since one of the last updates BST got take away TH3 for 2 of it's pets.
But considering that those pets still got TH1 and are the one of the better tanking pets BST still got an unfair advantage over other pet jobs who have to sacrifice abilities for TH.

So SE - there are 2 options

#1 no TH for any pet job
#2 a basic TH for every pet job

It's up to you but I think #1 is the better option

[Zumi]

TH is a horrible concept anyway they should just get rid of it all together. Needing to bring a certain job to increase drop rate just ends up being a pain.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Wow, this is just childish.

They already decided, tier I with gear to go up to tier 3 or higher, deal with it!

[Alhanelem]

Honestly, do we really need to make BST any less wanted than it already is?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Honestly, do we really need to make BST any less wanted than it already is?

They don't want BST to exist, they never got parties at 75, they don't get parties now, but hell, to some people they shouldn't be able to solo so..... yeah!!

[Economizer]

First off, Thief and Ranger can induce Treasure Hunter? Do people consider this unfair to everyone else? Why are pet jobs any more special?


#2 a basic TH for every pet job

http://i.imgur.com/JvEnO.png

I have a feeling Dragoons everywhere will go along just fine without being on this particular piece of gear, and they can wait for some sort of all jobs gear in the future, if there ever is any.

Pet jobs aren't magically special compared to everyone else.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

First off, Thief and Ranger can induce Treasure Hunter? Do people consider this unfair to everyone else? Why are pet jobs any more special?



http://i.imgur.com/JvEnO.png

I have a feeling Dragoons everywhere will go along just fine without being on this particular piece of gear, and they can wait for some sort of all jobs gear in the future, if there ever is any.

Pet jobs aren't magically special compared to everyone else.

I know right!

Ultimately OP wants it on PUP, so if they don't want gear for themselves SE might give them it, in the form of a Frame/Head that'll never be used, also they said Pet: TH gear was coming, no way it'll be just BST. Most likely like the Haste Belt: PUP SMN DRG BST

[Kristal]

I know right!

Ultimately OP wants it on PUP, so if they don't want gear for themselves SE might give them it, in the form of a Frame/Head that'll never be used, also they said Pet: TH gear was coming, no way it'll be just BST. Most likely like the Haste Belt: PUP SMN DRG BST

Frame/heads are VERY expensive to add to the game due to the frame x head combinations. Attachments on the other hand are not.

So BST has it on specific pets, while PUP likely gets an attachment and SMN probably as a trait on a summon like Cait Sith. (Assuming it's on par with Carbuncle rather then a 2hr summon.) DRG might get it as a gear option boosting the pet with the trait.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Frame/heads are VERY expensive to add to the game due to the frame x head combinations. Attachments on the other hand are not.

So BST has it on specific pets, while PUP likely gets an attachment and SMN probably as a trait on a summon like Cait Sith. (Assuming it's on par with Carbuncle rather then a 2hr summon.) DRG might get it as a gear option boosting the pet with the trait.

Perhaps, difference being the two pets are actual THF's, and as I say I'm 99% sure SE will just add the gear for all jobs rather than just BST so it'll be obtainable for all pets.

It's just silly to ask for all pet jobs the gain the benefit of another pet job just because... If we we're going like that I'd want the same abilities of other pet jobs for BST, such as zoning and only attacking one enemy I tell it too.

As for Cait Sith, didn't they already say it was like Carbuncle with Atomos being a 2-hour?

[Ihnako]

The point is... every other Job besides THF or RNG has to sub THF for TH or equip items that garant TH while to get back to the topic.
#1 BST got a bunch of abilities that let the pet tank while he can just sit back and watch.
#2 Those pets are nearly immortal
#3 BST doesn't have to sacrifice anything for TH cause his tanking pet has a natural TH

And #1 - #3 is an unfair advantage over every other petjob and other non petjob.

PS: I play PUP, DRG, SMN, BSR, WAR, THF and DNC and it's obvious that BST is atm the best choice (not to say an exploit) for tanking and geting better drops due TH.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

The point is... every other Job besides THF or RNG has to sub THF for TH or equip items that garant TH while to get back to the topic.
#1 BST got a bunch of abilities that let the pet tank while he can just sit back and watch.
#2 Those pets are nearly immortal
#3 BST doesn't have to sacrifice anything for TH cause his tanking pet has a natural TH

And #1 - #3 is an unfair advantage over every other petjob and other non petjob.

PS: I play PUP, DRG, SMN, BSR, WAR, THF and DNC and it's obvious that BST is atm the best choice (not to say an exploit) for tanking and geting better drops due TH.

Come update BST will only get tier I, the same tier available on an item you get from a chest in Abyssea which you have on for one hit and remove god forbid, if you class that as such a bad thing does that mean you don't gear swap for WS' it's no different.

The point being SE finally did something right in giving BST's THF pets TH as it should have been, people complained "Wah! BST's in Dynamis are killing things too quickly in the lvl.75 Dynamis NERF NERF NERF" to which they went and did.

If DRG, PUP, SMN, WAR or DNC was a THF then I could understand where you're coming from, as it stands You have not a leg to stand on, basically you're argument is: BST got THF pets with TH, I want it for all my other jobs too, it's not fair! I don't care if none of these jobs are THF it's not fair, it's not fair.

Each job has different benefits, as an Example PUP, DRG and SMN has things BST should get. Will SE give it to them? No, of course they wont under the guise of lolBalance.

[Alhanelem]

PS: I play PUP, DRG, SMN, BSR, WAR, THF and DNC and it's obvious that BST is atm the best choice (not to say an exploit) for tanking and geting better drops due TH. Or anybody can just invite a THF or RNG and get better drops than the BST.

It's fine the way it is.

[Ihnako]

Or anybody can just invite a THF or RNG and get better drops than the BST.

It's fine the way it is.
That would be an option but that would need SE to change it's crap policy.
Sorry to say it again. A BST is the BEST tank in Dynamis (and a bunch of other events) while having it's own THF.
If a BST dies in Dynamis - he was just to greedy or stupid.
Sorry to say it but as BST I've only to spend a few k to get what other people have to teamup for.

So the only solution is to take away this advantage cause there is no need for it except SE wants us to play BST.
But therefore I don't see a reason? This job was fine right before it got the THF pet and now after they lowered it it's still uber.

Oh I forgot... we'r playing a massive soloplayer online jrpg

[Zinato]

(and a bunch of other events)

Care to elaborate on this? Yes, BST is great at dynamis, this is an exception created by a perfect alignment of stars and planets. But, to say BST is good at Abyssea/Nyzul/Limbus/Salvage/Assault without considering SMN, MNK, THF, DNC all also excel at these would be a mistake. BST is good VS weak mobs TW/EP/DC after that its far too expensive to maintain healing for minimal increase in use. (This assuming Jugs not Charm) Now, If BST is considered to excel at Voidwatch/WoE/Neo-Nyzul I recommend re-examining how they function in such an environment.

[Shadowsong]

That would be an option but that would need SE to change it's crap policy.
Sorry to say it again. A BST is the BEST tank in Dynamis (and a bunch of other events) while having it's own THF.
If a BST dies in Dynamis - he was just to greedy or stupid.
Sorry to say it but as BST I've only to spend a few k to get what other people have to teamup for.

So the only solution is to take away this advantage cause there is no need for it except SE wants us to play BST.
But therefore I don't see a reason? This job was fine right before it got the THF pet and now after they lowered it it's still uber.

Oh I forgot... we'r playing a massive soloplayer online jrpg

Here is a tip for you buddy- If you want people to take you seriously, TYPE LIKE A HUMAN BEING

Nearly every point you have made is either out of context or blatently wrong. Besides Dynamis (not even really content anyway...) name one event BST is the best job at?

Ya know what, I'm done.....after really thinking about how I could respond to you, Ive decided you are beyond helping.

1) No one agrees with what you are saying
2) No one will ever agree with what you are saying
3) Stop posting

[Alhanelem]

BST is only great in its pet tanking against its owner. For anyone else, the pet cant generate enough hate. BST only works as a tank when you're around nothing but BSTs and SMNs. Stop trying to make it sound like BST is better than a PLD MNK or NIN for tanking anything.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

That would be an option but that would need SE to change it's crap policy.
Sorry to say it again. A BST is the BEST tank in Dynamis (and a bunch of other events) while having it's own THF.
If a BST dies in Dynamis - he was just to greedy or stupid.
Sorry to say it but as BST I've only to spend a few k to get what other people have to teamup for.

So the only solution is to take away this advantage cause there is no need for it except SE wants us to play BST.
But therefore I don't see a reason? This job was fine right before it got the THF pet and now after they lowered it it's still uber.

Oh I forgot... we'r playing a massive soloplayer online jrpg

Sorry to say: You're talking out of your backside.

[Duelle]

TH is a horrible concept anyway they should just get rid of it all together. Needing to bring a certain job to increase drop rate just ends up being a pain.That and it causes the developers to center design around TH instead of making the job functional and TH a mere tertiary bonus.

Ideally, up drop rates across the board, nerf or get rid of TH, fix THF.

[Spiritreaver]

I pretty much am in a RL forced break from FFXI. And as such i've tried to refrain from commenting on a game that i'm currently not playing, but for crying out loud ...


Since one of the last updates BST got take away TH3 for 2 of it's pets.
But considering that those pets still got TH1 and are the one of the better tanking pets BST still got an unfair advantage over other pet jobs who have to sacrifice abilities for TH.

So SE - there are 2 options

#1 no TH for any pet job
#2 a basic TH for every pet job

It's up to you but I think #1 is the better option


One of the things i've gotten so sick of over the years are ppl like you OP that make ridiculous demands of SE for no other reason than a severe case of the ol' 'green-eyed monster'.

I'm not a BST in any way shape or form and even i have been taken aback by how little of a notion SE has for that job. Its always been 2 steps forward and 5 steps back and to the side. SE is doing quite a good job of gutting that job without your jealousy-driven 2 cents.

Now as its obvious you are one of those delusional new breed PUP that i was seeing more and more of recently, i will not belabor the issue-i'll just say if you want TH to be a natural part of your job w/o having to rely on /sub or gear, swap to THF, RNG, or BST for goodness' sake and call it a day.

....or if you are actually wanting to broaden PUP's horizons, why not ask SE instead for a revamp on how many of the hard to get attachments are obtained? Because personally, i think that is a much more pressing issues for PUP atm. SE earned much goodwill from me with the recent AI fixes, but they still need to address the fact that some attachments just are not within the grasp of every PUP out there who wants them.

[Rohelius]

Just another dumb noob that wants more for his job.

Drg and pup are the only pet jobs with out access to it yes, but why do pet jobs have to have it? Why not add it to other jobs? What makes it so special? You have thf job pets with it because its a job based game and that's the pets job...

One could argue that a pet should have higher th trait because much like in real life search dogs and cats are used for their highten sensesand their ability to find what humans otherwise have no way of finding. Now using this more "logical logic" beastmaster pets should have the highest TH trait more so then thf...

But this is a game and as such the cry babys have to have their way and feel special and unique.

[Atomic_Skull]

TH is a horrible concept anyway they should just get rid of it all together. Needing to bring a certain job to increase drop rate just ends up being a pain.

Take away TH and THF would iterally be useless. Less solo ability than DNC, less DD capability than any other DD. The only thing it would bring to the table is an enmity control function that hasn't been relevant to the game since 2005. Might as well just delete it from the game.

[Duelle]

Take away TH and THF would iterally be useless. Less solo ability than DNC, less DD capability than any other DD. The only thing it would bring to the table is an enmity control function that hasn't been relevant to the game since 2005. Might as well just delete it from the game.Why delete it? Why not just fix the job to be actually worthwhile without TH?

[Glamdring]

The point is... every other Job besides THF or RNG has to sub THF for TH or equip items that garant TH while to get back to the topic.
#1 BST got a bunch of abilities that let the pet tank while he can just sit back and watch.
#2 Those pets are nearly immortal
#3 BST doesn't have to sacrifice anything for TH cause his tanking pet has a natural TH

And #1 - #3 is an unfair advantage over every other petjob and other non petjob.

PS: I play PUP, DRG, SMN, BSR, WAR, THF and DNC and it's obvious that BST is atm the best choice (not to say an exploit) for tanking and geting better drops due TH.

I cry horse shit on this, like many others here. I have every job with TH at 99 now (not unlike alot of other players). Do I want TH on my Auto? No, unless they add a thf frame. My pup does not need TH, I don't want to have to gear it for TH, Pup has the best assortment of ways to play of all my pets as it can handle both physical and magic damage, and deal both as well, i choose the auto based on what I'm after, and if I want to farm I go pup/thf with either the rdm or whm autos, or any other frame if I bring the NPC out. Let me make this perfectly clear I DO NOT WANT TH ON MY AUTO.

#1 smn just stands back and watches their pet, issuing the occasional command (and smn, I know this isn't accurate, but i'm responding to the quote here), should we nerf them too? oh, I usually melee with my pet too, unless I'm doing NMs in Aby, too boring otherwise.
#2 yes, pets are nearly immortal, if the bst has gearred for it... which puts them on par with every other job in the game as dumbed down as it is now.
#3 You might use Hippo and Ladybug for tanking, I don't. They are my TH and farming pets, if I'm aiming specifically at tanking on bst I'm using something else, like sheep or turtle or whatever is strong vs. the specific prey i'm after (remember the bst progression chart? stuff still works).

In point of fact, my current favorite solo job is pup, since the pupdate it has more all-around functionality/utility than my bst, and it makes me use my head a bit more, making play a bit more engaging. I've always chosen my beast pets with alot of care, instead of just defaulting to 1, I use the 2 thief pets to farm, and against anything that is light or wind spam happy respectively, otherwise I find the other jugs to be better outside those circumstances. If I default to any jug it's our current Mandy... because he's dirt cheap. I DO support keeping TH on my jug pets, when I want to farm on beast I like having it.

[Calamity]

Why delete it? Why not just fix the job to be actually worthwhile without TH?

^ This. Why not get rid of TH and make thf a decent DD like almost every single other mmo in the universe that has a thf or rogue type job.

I had a realization the other night, SE puts entirely too much effort into trying to make each job as unique as possible. I actually many of the problems in the game on this. If you look at other MMO's out there, DD means DD. In FFXI DD means sam. Or war. Or mnk. Or whatever the flavor of the month happens to be. I feel like SE needs to spend a little less time worrying about preserving the uniqueness of each job and worry more about closing the gap and creating a little equality. That whole balance farce they keep yammering on about.

[Shadowsong]

OP obviously has no idea how BST works.... or how Treasure Hunter works ............ or how the game is played >.>

[Ihnako]

It's interesting how a legitimate statement on how broken BST and it's pets (wow - pets have jobs, I'll tell my hampster to earn more money ;p ) in compared with other jobs are.

As I mentioned before I do play PUP, DRG, BST, THF, DNC ans WAR and I do understand the concept of every job named before. And that's the point in case of TH and tanking BST is the best job. Even DNC/THF or what ever combo you want to use will loose caues you'r out of options.

#1 In case you want to tank, you won't deal damage so the fight will last forever
#2 If you want to deal damage, you can't tank or you have to fall back to a party situation where someone is there to heal you.
#3 Let's talk about hate control - BST can tranfer a bunch of his hate toward the pet (not vise versa) so the pet can get hate even if it doesn't do anything while it's masters hate level will be nearly 0.
#3.1 SMN and DRG are not that blessed cause their pet's have to deal damage to generate hate for themself
#3.2 PUP can switch hate between master and automaton but it's a double edged sword
#3.3 Crowd control - Every pet job has it's own abilities but let's check the popular options
- Shiva / Sheep ~ Sleepga
- Automaton / a bunch of pets (including THF-pets) got abilities that will weaken the mob
- every pet (Lv.80-85+) will deal enough damage to be as good as a second player
- Pull strategies - too many mobs? Let your pet die!
-- a SMN can recast another avatar in a few seconds
-- a PUP can resummon it's automation (in a weakened state) within 60 seconds or (fully functional) every 20 minutes
-- a BST has to wait for max. 5:00 minutes to call another pet
-- a DRG has to wait for max. 20:00 minutes to call it's wyvern again
--- Healing your pet is across the board nearly the same with some exceptions
--- SMN can't cure it's pet as good as it would be needed so it's better to recast
--- DRG has to sacrifice it's own HP
--- PUP depending on you automations equipment can heal it's self like a WHM, regenerate HP (maneuver), repair every 3:00 minutes for 10-30% + regen or by swaping the masters and automations HP
--- BST can feed it's pet every 90 sec and heal it for (assuming your using the best food) 1.600+ HP + regen effect or let it stay so it will get a natural regen

I know there are still some points left but since some people just want to shitwar they should bring facts and not opinions.

So my opionion is that SE should take away TH for every pet.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

lol, you're very funny! Bravo!

Or at least I hope you are,otherwise: Oh dear!

[Alhanelem]

It's interesting how a legitimate statement on how broken BST and it's pets (wow - pets have jobs, I'll tell my hampster to earn more money ;p ) in compared with other jobs are.

As I mentioned before I do play PUP, DRG, BST, THF, DNC ans WAR and I do understand the concept of every job named before. And that's the point in case of TH and tanking BST is the best job. Even DNC/THF or what ever combo you want to use will loose caues you'r out of options.

#1 In case you want to tank, you won't deal damage so the fight will last forever
#2 If you want to deal damage, you can't tank or you have to fall back to a party situation where someone is there to heal you.
#3 Let's talk about hate control - BST can tranfer a bunch of his hate toward the pet (not vise versa) so the pet can get hate even if it doesn't do anything while it's masters hate level will be nearly 0.
#3.1 SMN and DRG are not that blessed cause their pet's have to deal damage to generate hate for themself
#3.2 PUP can switch hate between master and automaton but it's a double edged sword
#3.3 Crowd control - Every pet job has it's own abilities but let's check the popular options
- Shiva / Sheep ~ Sleepga
- Automaton / a bunch of pets (including THF-pets) got abilities that will weaken the mob
- every pet (Lv.80-85+) will deal enough damage to be as good as a second player
- Pull strategies - too many mobs? Let your pet die!
-- a SMN can recast another avatar in a few seconds
-- a PUP can resummon it's automation (in a weakened state) within 60 seconds or (fully functional) every 20 minutes
-- a BST has to wait for max. 5:00 minutes to call another pet
-- a DRG has to wait for max. 20:00 minutes to call it's wyvern again
--- Healing your pet is across the board nearly the same with some exceptions
--- SMN can't cure it's pet as good as it would be needed so it's better to recast
--- DRG has to sacrifice it's own HP
--- PUP depending on you automations equipment can heal it's self like a WHM, regenerate HP (maneuver), repair every 3:00 minutes for 10-30% + regen or by swaping the masters and automations HP
--- BST can feed it's pet every 90 sec and heal it for (assuming your using the best food) 1.600+ HP + regen effect or let it stay so it will get a natural regen

I know there are still some points left but since some people just want to shitwar they should bring facts and not opinions.

So my opionion is that SE should take away TH for every pet.
I'm not seeing you illustrating many/if any imbalances favoring BST there. TH1 on a pet doesn't hurt anyone else, and very few people like/want to have a BST around, even compared to PUP (This is commonly based on some misconceptions and old stigma towards BST, but it's relevant). There's no need to remove TH, it will just make BST less wanted than it already is outside of soloing.

PUP's hate switch is far supeiror to BST's hate transfer. It can have the same effects as snarl (build up hate then give it to pet), or it can also be used to save your pet if you want to keep it alive.

[Kristal]

--- PUP depending on you automations equipment can heal it's self like a WHM, regenerate HP (maneuver), repair every 3:00 minutes for 10-30% + regen or by swaping the masters and automations HP


Automaton Oil +3 gives 40%+40*40 I believe. Not sure if Guignol Earring makes that 48%+48*40, but if it does, it's icing on the cake.


PUP's hate switch is far superior to snarl. It can have the same effects as snarl (build up hate then give it to pet), or it can also be used to save your pet if you want to keep it alive.

It can also be used to get rid of unwanted agro/link, provided the mob agrod the master. Its hatelessness makes it useless for dyna JA proc though.

[Rohelius]

The unbalance is that if my pet gains hate i cant make the mob go to me like PUP. I can only watch it die or spend money to keep it alive. if i had the hate swap pup has i could save a fortune on pet food and jugs alone....

This person is on a hate BST bandwagon necause i didnt see anything in that text wall that was unfair or unbalanced wich makes me think the poster doesnt even know what hes talking about..

[Ihnako]

This person is on a hate BST bandwagon necause i didnt see anything in that text wall that was unfair or unbalanced wich makes me think the poster doesnt even know what hes talking about..The point is you'r obvously not reading or understanding what I'm saying.

Point is you'r focus is right now on PUP vs. BST.
And I also showed that there are a bunch of other pet jobs who are in the same wagon as PUP and do have less options.
In case you want to compare by gil. And I don't count any equipment that will increase the effect - so only basic stats.

Let's check:
Automation Oil +2 (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Automaton_Oil_%2B2) will be sold by NPC for 6k a stack and will heal your Automaton for 30% of its maximum hit points, plus 900 HP over 90 seconds at the rate of 30 HP per tick.
A similar pet food will be Pet Food Zeta Biscuit (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Pet_Food_Zeta_Biscuit) for 18k at each AH on Odin.
Repair/Heal wise PUP wins.

What about your pet.
I've allready spend a few millions to get an automation that could be called decend.
A BST get's a Pet for free up to a few hundred gil. But let's check what Dippy will cost you - atm 89k a stack.
For 89k an automation won't last longer than an eyeblink and you'll still using your initial automation. ><;
So let's calculate a cheap 2 million gil automation vs. Dippy - So you have buy 23 stacks (or 270 Dippy) before it will ruin your pocket.

Let's check what you gain within Dynamis (other topics obviously are no interest by mayority).
With BST I'll get at least 180-200 coins per run.
With PUP (no TH) it will be 50-100 depending on mob with no chance of dual tanking.
Let's theoreticaly sell every coin for 5k it would be 900k-1M vs 250k-500k.
Plus as a BST you won't have used more than 2 pets and a stack of pet food - so you spend 31k a run to get at least 900k.
And now the shocking truth - with a different pet (Gooey Gerard) I'll get 100-150 coins per run. And I'll only spend 20k per run.

So the truth is - your pet is the tank and the TH machine (that will increase the TH-level chancewise with every succsessfull hit) while you'r the one who's procing and healing your tank.
You'r pet doesn't support you - you support your pet.

But what about the other pet jobs?
I've seen a few DRG doing dynamis but most of the time they where resting.
SMN? I've duoed with a friend of mine and it's no fun at all cause you've to deal with MP consumption vs. pet health vs. hate level vs. your own HP.

[Glamdring]

The point is you'r obvously not reading or understanding what I'm saying.

Point is you'r focus is right now on PUP vs. BST.
And I also showed that there are a bunch of other pet jobs who are in the same wagon as PUP and do have less options.
In case you want to compare by gil. And I don't count any equipment that will increase the effect - so only basic stats.

Let's check:
Automation Oil +2 (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Automaton_Oil_%2B2) will be sold by NPC for 6k a stack and will heal your Automaton for 30% of its maximum hit points, plus 900 HP over 90 seconds at the rate of 30 HP per tick.
A similar pet food will be Pet Food Zeta Biscuit (http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Pet_Food_Zeta_Biscuit) for 18k at each AH on Odin.
Repair/Heal wise PUP wins.

What about your pet.
I've allready spend a few millions to get an automation that could be called decend.
A BST get's a Pet for free up to a few hundred gil. But let's check what Dippy will cost you - atm 89k a stack.
For 89k an automation won't last longer than an eyeblink and you'll still using your initial automation. ><;
So let's calculate a cheap 2 million gil automation vs. Dippy - So you have buy 23 stacks (or 270 Dippy) before it will ruin your pocket.

Let's check what you gain within Dynamis (other topics obviously are no interest by mayority).
With BST I'll get at least 180-200 coins per run.
With PUP (no TH) it will be 50-100 depending on mob with no chance of dual tanking.
Let's theoreticaly sell every coin for 5k it would be 900k-1M vs 250k-500k.
Plus as a BST you won't have used more than 2 pets and a stack of pet food - so you spend 31k a run to get at least 900k.
And now the shocking truth - with a different pet (Gooey Gerard) I'll get 100-150 coins per run. And I'll only spend 20k per run.

So the truth is - your pet is the tank and the TH machine (that will increase the TH-level chancewise with every succsessfull hit) while you'r the one who's procing and healing your tank.
You'r pet doesn't support you - you support your pet.

But what about the other pet jobs?
I've seen a few DRG doing dynamis but most of the time they where resting.
SMN? I've duoed with a friend of mine and it's no fun at all cause you've to deal with MP consumption vs. pet health vs. hate level vs. your own HP.

um... pup absolutely rocks in dynamis, use a mage pup and go pup/dnc yourself, you hit all 3 procs on the majority of kills. I'm not even particularily well gearred on my pup and I'm good for 100 coins per run on average, and I don't even try that hard.

The real screw-up in that equation is that a thf with base TH7 either /dnc or /nin isn't going to outdo my pup (with base TH 0) in terms of coin drops, and with base TH that much higher they really should, if TH counts at all. THAT is what SE needs to look at.

I've even tried going rng/nin to have a 3 proc job with TH3, using an x-bow and a truckload of bloody bolts to stay in it. Too much downtime, but even just counting actual engaged time I didn't approach my pup (27 coins for the entire run, figured on 45 minutes of down-time, 18 minutes getting the TEs are included in the downtime number). Although I must admit, my ranger is in serious need of a skill-up party and some improved gear, still, I doubt that even if my gear was the "OMGUberness" and skill was capped that it would approach my pup.

[Calamity]

Let's check what you gain within Dynamis (other topics obviously are no interest by mayority).
With BST I'll get at least 180-200 coins per run.
With PUP (no TH) it will be 50-100 depending on mob with no chance of dual tanking.
Let's theoreticaly sell every coin for 5k it would be 900k-1M vs 250k-500k.
Plus as a BST you won't have used more than 2 pets and a stack of pet food - so you spend 31k a run to get at least 900k.
And now the shocking truth - with a different pet (Gooey Gerard) I'll get 100-150 coins per run. And I'll only spend 20k per run.

I don't understand your problem then. if you have bst leveled, and you get more coins as bst, then why don't you just enjoy it rather than complaining about it?

I might also add that you're talking as if bst is just super overpowered vs all these other jobs while only focusing on a single small aspect of the game, which is old content. Sure, bst can outperform a smn, pup or drg in dynamis but let's look at other, parts of the game. Specifically current content. Tell me how often you see bst in VW? Never is the answer. Dragoons and smns are more than welcome in just about any endgame content. Bst is not. It is in fact completely useless in VW. Even the infamous "lolpup" is more welcome in endgame than bst is.

And you wanna talk about overpowered, how about a pet that can use top tier white and black magic that by rights should be exclusive to black mage and white mage, and they can do this with NO ENMITY and for that matter, almost no downside at all. And shall we compare maneuvers to Ready? Pet attacks with relatively low recast timers vs pet attacks, many of which are useless which require not only 100% tp on the pet, but also have a recast of 1-3 minutes depending on the move.

I'm sorry, everything you've said in this entire thread has been 1 sided and filtered so that you only look at a single aspect of the game and everybody seems to know it but you. No, no I think I'm actually mistaken. I'm sure you do know and just don't care. Every job has it's specialties. Soloing is bst's specialty. SE made it that way and both SE and the players have done everything they can to make sure bst stays a solo onry job. Deal with it.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Eitherway it's a moot point when you can get a Sash for PUP with TH+1 the same as what BST will have.

OP is acting as if gear swapping is hard to do...

[Kristal]

And you wanna talk about overpowered, how about a pet that can use top tier white and black magic that by rights should be exclusive to black mage and white mage, and they can do this with NO ENMITY and for that matter, almost no downside at all. And shall we compare maneuvers to Ready? Pet attacks with relatively low recast timers vs pet attacks, many of which are useless which require not only 100% tp on the pet, but also have a recast of 1-3 minutes depending on the move.

That magic is still exclusive to WHM and BLM. Soulsoother is a pocket WHM that can cast up to Cure VI but no Cura, Curaga, Banish, Holy, etc, Spiritreaver is a pocket BLM that can cast up to tier V, but no -aga, -aja, AM, AMII, Comet, Meteor, etc. And no choice in the casting either.. at best you can hint it, but no hint will prevent casting a tier V nuke where a BLM would use a different element or not cast at all.
Comparing Maneuvers to Ready is silly. Maneuvers are not attacks at all, they are hints for the automaton to do something sometime whenever it pleases. And don't forget using 3 maneuvers a minute incurs a -10% attack speed effect, and you risk overload if you don't manage it properly.

[Ihnako]

Eitherway it's a moot point when you can get a Sash for PUP with TH+1 the same as what BST will have.

OP is acting as if gear swapping is hard to do...That's where you'r jumping on conclusions. Since I figured out that the TH of a pet is infact superior to no TH or to just switch it in for one hit while a party with a real THF will still perform better.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

That's where you'r jumping on conclusions. Since I figured out that the TH of a pet is infact superior to no TH or to just switch it in for one hit while a party with a real THF will still perform better.

What!?

Lord have mercy... Your main job is PUP the reality is you want TH on PUP you could care less about other jobs, you're using BST as a reasoning why PUP should have it. You're wrong, if you want TH get the sash and voila, done.

Now stop beating the horse, it's already dead.

[Calamity]

That magic is still exclusive to WHM and BLM. Soulsoother is a pocket WHM that can cast up to Cure VI but no Cura, Curaga, Banish, Holy, etc, Spiritreaver is a pocket BLM that can cast up to tier V, but no -aga, -aja, AM, AMII, Comet, Meteor, etc. And no choice in the casting either.. at best you can hint it, but no hint will prevent casting a tier V nuke where a BLM would use a different element or not cast at all.
Comparing Maneuvers to Ready is silly. Maneuvers are not attacks at all, they are hints for the automaton to do something sometime whenever it pleases. And don't forget using 3 maneuvers a minute incurs a -10% attack speed effect, and you risk overload if you don't manage it properly.

But it does sound like a very convincing argument doesn't it? Just making a point. Anybody can omit certain facts to make their argument sound more just, but it's no less untrue. To be honest I was kinda hoping Ihnako would tackle that one himself but that's quite alright. The point is made.

[Sappho]

TH is a horrible concept anyway they should just get rid of it all together. Needing to bring a certain job to increase drop rate just ends up being a pain.

LIKE needing to bring a BLM for every single seal/coin/stone/jewel/card farm in Abyssea?

That's a terrible idea.

[Xilk]

BTW, bluemage also can get th 1 from spell traits, and equip the th+1 belt. so they can th2 w/out /thf

[Dethard]

Hmmm, going by what the OP says then can BST have a pet that can cast tier V nukes, or one that can buff and heal? What about a pet that can be activated and deactivated without cost? How about a pet even that will stick to the target I tell it too rather than attacking the target it has hate on?

All jobs are different and have different abilities. If SE went with what the OP suggested then they might as well merge all pet jobs into one job and be done with it. People moaned enough and they nerfed BST pets TH, as I stated in another post if they applied the same logic they used for the nerf to PUP then the automaton should only be able to cast tier II spells as it is not a BLM or WHM.

[Ihnako]

Oh my god... <selfcensorship>

As I mentioned before - each job has it's own pet AI and therefore it's own advantage/disadvantage but TH on a NPC is a huge advantage over all other jobs cause you don't risk anything and you don't have to put effort into it.

Level BST (roughly 20h from Lv1 - 99), get a Perle-set, 2 decent weapons, buy 2 stacks food and one stack of your favourit pet.
Thing is we'r still talking about one of the best tanking pets vs. melee (and that's what everyone is after @ dynamis) while you as master only attack to get tp and do some JA's. You'r pet is tough enough to kill it's opponent.

Skill? Not needed cause you use 4 jobspecific abilities. (other abilities are used to add some extra punch or safe food)
#1 Fight/Heel for attack and/or pull strategies
#2 Snarl to transfer your hate toward your pet
#3 Reward to heal your pet instantly for >1.000 hp (you can use lower tier food but that would be a waste)
w/o special equipment:
-> Dipper Youly has 4.092 hp, Faithful Falcorr 4.968 hp and booth got the highest evasion for a pet plus triple attack, a.s.o.
-> an Automation get's max. 2.2k hp (Valor) and you still have to finetune and command it
-> at Lv.90 a wyvern has between 1213-1217 HP ~ so at Lv.99 ist should have roughly 1.5k hp and you can't command him/her
-> an Avatar has an unknown ammount of hp but it's still below 2k while it's healing abilities are limited and it's evasion highly depends on it's masters merits/avatar/equipment. And you'r limited by your MP pool.

-> BST is one of the best axe wielders, got good (not to say in compare) the best defence value of all 4 pet jobs. [ axe A- / evasion C / parrying C ]
-> PUP got a pretty decent setup [ h2h B+ / evasion B / guard B+ (pain in the ass to get leveled) / parrying D ] but crap equipment - SE believes PUPs are mages?
-> DRG ever played? [ poelarm A+ / sword C / evasion B- / parrying B ] Equipment lately better but still fare away from PUP and BST
-> SMN erm... you'r kidding? [ staff B / club C+ / evasion E ] and equipment that's as thin as paper defence wise.

-> A BST can solo an enmy while his pet can also take care of an enemy (or more enemies). As team they double their effectiveness
-> A PUP and his automation only works in tandem. There are enemies that can be soloed by your automation but most will kill it in a short periode of time without your support. In most situations you'll take the punishment and not your automation. And you'll carefully watch your maneuvers so your automation won't get "overloaded".
-> A DRG is limited by his own SJ so the wyvern that only attacks what you'r [actively] attacking can be a DD or DD-supporter
-> A SMN has to relie on his avatar cause he/she won't survive otherwise. So attacking as SMN is a gamble with your life.

Regarding TH on equipment - it's a verry rare drop and it will take ages to get one.
It took me 5 excessive La Theine parties to get mine. I spent >60h to get it and compared to your pet it's depending on your style a TH1 or TH?? while your pet's TH is a TH1 to TH?? cause it's 24/7 active and has the chance to raise with each attack. That's where all other jobs have to sacifice an additional inventory space and depending on your playstyle efficency.

[Dethard]

Please explain how TH is a huge advantage? Does it help kill the mob quicker? NO. Does it give some super buff? NO. It does nothing except increase your chances of getting drops. This has now been nerfed to a level where many other jobs can get higher TH than a job with a THF type pet.

I do not understand why you so against it, if you feel it is so overpowered and you have BST levelled then use it.

You might as well say get rid of TH alltogether for all jobs, because THF gets it naturally and other jobs dont. But then look at other traits that different jobs get naturally, lets just have one job where everyone is the same and then gear differently to get traits, silly I know, but that is basically what you are saying for pet jobs.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Regarding TH on equipment - it's a verry rare drop and it will take ages to get one.
It took me 5 excessive La Theine parties to get mine. I spent >60h to get it and compared to your pet it's depending on your style a TH1 or TH?? while your pet's TH is a TH1 to TH?? cause it's 24/7 active and has the chance to raise with each attack.

Erm.... you're confusing THF with BST again.

BST get's TH1 and that's it, it does not advance any further unless you get equipment (not even out yet) that wont be BST alone.

Seriously quit this nonsense.

If I didn't know better I'd think you're trolling for the sake of it now, regardless the fact it is not even correct.

[Calamity]

If I didn't know better I'd think you're trolling for the sake of it now, regardless the fact it is not even correct.

It's Inhako. You learn soon enough that that's what he does. And speaking of him, like I said before, you already said you have bst leveled and that it does so much better in dynamis, why don't you just enjoy it rather than trying to tear it down?

Bst is very obviously a solo specializing job. It will never have any place in proper endgame, SE has made sure of that and the players have backed it up with attitude and stigma. We deserve superiority in solo since all the other pet jobs (yes, even pup) are much more welcome in endgame than bst is. Why should a drg or smn or pup be able to solo as well as a bst when solo is the only thing we have?

[Quetzacoatl]

BTW, bluemage also can get th 1 from spell traits, and equip the th+1 belt. so they can th2 w/out /thf

A skilled BLU can also kill faster in Dynamis than any BST for that matter

Holy shit this thread is full of fail

[Juilan]

I pretty much am in a RL forced break from FFXI. And as such i've tried to refrain from commenting on a game that i'm currently not playing, but for crying out loud ...

One of the things i've gotten so sick of over the years are ppl like you OP that make ridiculous demands of SE for no other reason than a severe case of the ol' 'green-eyed monster'.

I'm not a BST in any way shape or form and even i have been taken aback by how little of a notion SE has for that job. Its always been 2 steps forward and 5 steps back and to the side. SE is doing quite a good job of gutting that job without your jealousy-driven 2 cents.

Now as its obvious you are one of those delusional new breed PUP that i was seeing more and more of recently, i will not belabor the issue-i'll just say if you want TH to be a natural part of your job w/o having to rely on /sub or gear, swap to THF, RNG, or BST for goodness' sake and call it a day.

....or if you are actually wanting to broaden PUP's horizons, why not ask SE instead for a revamp on how many of the hard to get attachments are obtained? Because personally, i think that is a much more pressing issues for PUP atm. SE earned much goodwill from me with the recent AI fixes, but they still need to address the fact that some attachments just are not within the grasp of every PUP out there who wants them.

OMG you are DIREWOLF!?
And he's right the main issue with PUP are the attachments that drop from the brown caskets in dudgeons that don't drop. Sure skill up is nice, but its not a 1.2M nice...

[Spiritreaver]

OMG you are DIREWOLF!?
And he's right the main issue with PUP are the attachments that drop from the brown caskets in dudgeons that don't drop. Sure skill up is nice, but its not a 1.2M nice...


Well i am the shellholder for it anyways. Hopefully my RL issues will calm down enough for me to play again soon.

*Big Favor* Please send a /t to Elkinsilvermoon or Jonnydutch that i haven't died all the way yet and will be back when i can.


@the OP.


I say again, with less tact and a whole lot fewer words, quit being a whiny brat. You make a poor example of a pet job lover for the rest of the FFXI playerbase. There is a gorram moogle in your MH for a reason, jackass. Need TH bad for something? Use the little humper.

[Luvbunny]

BTW, bluemage also can get th 1 from spell traits, and equip the th+1 belt. so they can th2 w/out /thf

They can also add another TH1 trait with atma, so you get TH3 in abyssea :)

[Luvbunny]

So basically there are several pet based jobs in the game, each with their own uniqueness and specialty

- SMN: dirt cheap pet based job, fast recast and resummon, able to tank with the right atmas and if you pay attention to damage type and elemental resistance, can self heal but have expensive dawn mulsum to use as "pet food" - play with caution as SMN is extremely weak and can die fast if gets too close to AOE damage. Lvlng SMN magic also takes awhile to cap - so if you graduated from abyssea school of insta99, best of luck doing GoV.
- DRG: very nice DD as master with pet as support on damage, healing and status removal. It has the least commands for its pet, not as customizable as other pet jobs and pet is mostly add support damage. More melee DD than any of the other pet jobs.
- PUP: require fine tuning between pet and master, very versatile with attachments and automaton types, front line attacker for master, with the right atmas and automaton can have pet to tank, requires dawn mulsum, oil and healing salve to survive. Getting the best attachment can be quite costly. Cannot issue direct command, only hints, pray to SE Gods that your automaton cast the right spells at the right time. Abyssea graduates will have the hardest time skilling up automatons, should start calling GOV areas a second home.
- BST: Jug pets and pet foods can be expensive but in the long run you will get your money back, great tanking pets, lots of variety of pets to use depending on situations, limited direct command with long timers and tp dependency, can tank flawlessly inside and outside abyssea, use tons of expensive food, healing salve and dawn mulsum. Extremely newbie friendly since its master not required to have max weapon skills, pet can efficiently tank with no skill ups dependent.

So there you have it, 4 pet jobs with some variants, one is mage focused, 3 are melee DD focused, a couple require more skills and a bit of knowledge, each with its own plus and minuses.

[Spiritreaver]

So basically there are several pet based jobs in the game, each with their own uniqueness and specialty

- SMN: dirt cheap pet based job, fast recast and resummon, able to tank with the right atmas and if you pay attention to damage type and elemental resistance, can self heal but have expensive dawn mulsum to use as "pet food" - play with caution as SMN is extremely weak and can die fast if gets too close to AOE damage. Lvlng SMN magic also takes awhile to cap - so if you graduated from abyssea school of insta99, best of luck doing GoV.
- DRG: very nice DD as master with pet as support on damage, healing and status removal. It has the least commands for its pet, not as customizable as other pet jobs and pet is mostly add support damage. More melee DD than any of the other pet jobs.
- PUP: require fine tuning between pet and master, very versatile with attachments and automaton types, front line attacker for master, with the right atmas and automaton can have pet to tank, requires dawn mulsum, oil and healing salve to survive. Getting the best attachment can be quite costly. Cannot issue direct command, only hints, pray to SE Gods that your automaton cast the right spells at the right time. Abyssea graduates will have the hardest time skilling up automatons, should start calling GOV areas a second home.
- BST: Jug pets and pet foods can be expensive but in the long run you will get your money back, great tanking pets, lots of variety of pets to use depending on situations, limited direct command with long timers and tp dependency, can tank flawlessly inside and outside abyssea, use tons of expensive food, healing salve and dawn mulsum. Extremely newbie friendly since its master not required to have max weapon skills, pet can efficiently tank with no skill ups dependent.

So there you have it, 4 pet jobs with some variants, one is mage focused, 3 are melee DD focused, a couple require more skills and a bit of knowledge, each with its own plus and minuses.


Succinct breakdown of the four pet jobs in FFXI atm, but what point were you driving at here? Maybe you hit the post button before you got around to the "bringin' it on home" bit of the post?

[Calamity]

Only thing I would add is the endgame relevance of each job from I'd say likely in this order from most to least desired SMN > DRG > PUP > BST. Just because it seems kind of 1 sided to focus exclusively on a job's solo capabilities without bringing to light it's group merits as well.

[Ihnako]

@Spiritreaver
I'm verry sorry that I oppose your way of easy life. An exploid is an exploid.
And that you don't understand or don't want to understand isn't my problem or anyones else problem.
The way TH works is that it can build up by chance but maybe you should research the fact yourself with different jobs that have access to different TH levels.
And yes.. I have my data and it incudes different jobs, areas, time (monephase, day, direction) and TH equipment/abyssites/etc.
And all that data leads to the conclusion a) the BST pets have to be nerved by physical attributes or b) the added effect TH should be take away to get the balance back
In case of b) SE should add BST to the "sash" to get the player access to TH w/o /THF

Any other rant against my person will result in a direct contact with your local GM.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

@Spiritreaver
I'm verry sorry that I oppose your way of easy life. An exploid is an exploid.
And that you don't understand or don't want to understand isn't my problem or anyones else problem.
The way TH works is that it can build up by chance but maybe you should research the fact yourself with different jobs that have access to different TH levels.
And yes.. I have my data and it incudes different jobs, areas, time (monephase, day, direction) and TH equipment/abyssites/etc.
And all that data leads to the conclusion a) the BST pets have to be nerved by physical attributes or b) the added effect TH should be take away to get the balance back
In case of b) SE should add BST to the "sash" to get the player access to TH w/o /THF

Any other rant against my person will result in a direct contact with your local GM.

And all that is what in English?

All I got was TH works as a random chance to build-up, something only applicable to THF and RNG. BST gets a straight TH1 with no chance of increase so far.

The rest might as well be written in Latin.

[Zerich]

@Spiritreaver
I'm verry sorry that I oppose your way of easy life. An exploid is an exploid.
And that you don't understand or don't want to understand isn't my problem or anyones else problem.
The way TH works is that it can build up by chance but maybe you should research the fact yourself with different jobs that have access to different TH levels.
And yes.. I have my data and it incudes different jobs, areas, time (monephase, day, direction) and TH equipment/abyssites/etc.
And all that data leads to the conclusion a) the BST pets have to be nerved by physical attributes or b) the added effect TH should be take away to get the balance back
In case of b) SE should add BST to the "sash" to get the player access to TH w/o /THF

Any other rant against my person will result in a direct contact with your local GM.

omg, 'monephase'



this.

[Calamity]

@Spiritreaver
I'm verry sorry that I oppose your way of easy life. An exploid is an exploid.
And that you don't understand or don't want to understand isn't my problem or anyones else problem.
The way TH works is that it can build up by chance but maybe you should research the fact yourself with different jobs that have access to different TH levels.
And yes.. I have my data and it incudes different jobs, areas, time (monephase, day, direction) and TH equipment/abyssites/etc.
And all that data leads to the conclusion a) the BST pets have to be nerved by physical attributes or b) the added effect TH should be take away to get the balance back
In case of b) SE should add BST to the "sash" to get the player access to TH w/o /THF

Any other rant against my person will result in a direct contact with your local GM.

First off, it's "Exploit" and second off I don't think you know what an exploit is. Abusing a flaw in the game's coding, such as the old strategy for Krabkatoa wherein you would take advantage of bad pathing to more or less achieve a guaranteed victory, or using the old salvage duping glitch. Those are good examples of exploits. But I can't see how using a job trait, given us by SE, for exactly the purpose that the very trait exists for, could possible qualify as an exploit. If you'd like to explain this, then by all means try. Or you could just admit you're just on an anti bst crusade and be done with it.

[Camiie]

What's really sad is how this is all much ado about nothing. If the OP thinks having TH1 on his Auto is going to make all his dreams come true then he is sadly mistaken. I guess if he's out farming beehive chips for a living it'd be nice, but I'd be shocked if it made anything more than a negligible difference on any loot that really matters. It sure doesn't seem to do much for me. Trust me, OP, you ain't missing a thing.

Of course, I think I'm trying to apply reason to the irrational. As Calamity said, there's just some kind of vendetta against BST here. It's the same nonsense as the people who supported the nerf from TH3 to TH1 only taken one step further. As others have said it's the green-eyed monster at work. "If I can't have it no one can." When has that ever been considered a healthy stance to take on anything?

Heck they can give Autos TH5 for all I care. I'm still not going to play PUP, and I'm not going to sit around being jealous of it. Ask for what you need to be added to your job to make you better, but don't go around asking to take away what little I have just because you don't feel special enough. I'll be glad to support you on the former, but I'll fight you tooth and nail on the latter. You can call GMs on whoever you want. Even if they actually did something it still isn't going to phase me.

[Spiritreaver]

@Spiritreaver
I'm verry sorry that I oppose your way of easy life. An exploid is an exploid.
And that you don't understand or don't want to understand isn't my problem or anyones else problem.
The way TH works is that it can build up by chance but maybe you should research the fact yourself with different jobs that have access to different TH levels.
And yes.. I have my data and it incudes different jobs, areas, time (monephase, day, direction) and TH equipment/abyssites/etc.
And all that data leads to the conclusion a) the BST pets have to be nerved by physical attributes or b) the added effect TH should be take away to get the balance back
In case of b) SE should add BST to the "sash" to get the player access to TH w/o /THF

Any other rant against my person will result in a direct contact with your local GM.

Wow.

Go ahead and GM me then. The following will be a bit of a rant, though pointed squarely at your flawed and self-centered reasoning moreso than at you yourself. Impress me with your far-reaching influence over SE employees.

English is a second language for you it seems, not sorry for the assumption btw, but i understand the general point your are making. And i still call shenanigans.

Not that it matters really, but i'm THF99 and RNG97. And regardless of what jobs i have lvl'd, i have played and studied this game long enough to have a good understanding of how TH works thanks. Let me break it down for you since you seem to not grasp it.


*Treasure Hunter is a job trait that gets applied to a mob in the form of a status effect.

*To my knowledge the TH job trait is available to THF(15+), RNG(87+), BST(76+?), /THF(30+), Atma of Dread?, The TH Kupower, and when wearing the waist item in discussion.

*The TH status effect put on mobs by players has tiers that can be boosted by THF and RNG mains only.

*The TH status effect put on mobs is reset to essentially TH0 if the players contributing to the effect on the mob all get KO'd.


Thats all i got just off the top of my head. But its enough for government work i suppose.

Treasure Hunter is NOT an exploit. It is a legitimate trait put into the game by SE. An exploit is something like the Salvage dupes or the gear reselling trick in Tav. Safehold. Good rule of thumb: exploits get you banned. You don't banned for having TH as a job trait.

Your whole stance is ludicrous to begin with. You are sad and angry that do to the actions of some(and i say some because i know some BST who are great and courteous players-so its not all of them) BST who turned Neo-Dynamis into a goldmine for themselves while disrupting other non-BST players AND got on SE's radar while doing it. And again i say some, not all. Because i've seen as many, if not more players on other jobs finding ways of loading up their coffers at the expense of others as well.

So this time SE took some direct action, but in classic SE style they hit everyone in the group and not just the abusers. All BSTs got hit. And i feel for the guys that got caught up. As i've said before, BST is one of those jobs that is always messed with imo. SE is loathe add to the job in a timely manner, but quick as hell to take away from it.

That all said, let's get down to it. To prop up your woefully inadequate stance, you dragged all the other pet jobs into your little drama. That's what got me right away. Aside from having pets, DRG, SMN, and PUP are not the BST clones that your cut and dry OP would have them to be.


Since one of the last updates BST got take away TH3 for 2 of it's pets.
But considering that those pets still got TH1 and are the one of the better tanking pets BST still got an unfair advantage over other pet jobs who have to sacrifice abilities for TH.

So SE - there are 2 options

#1 no TH for any pet job
#2 a basic TH for every pet job

It's up to you but I think #1 is the better option

HUH?

No other pet job has TH natively. Not a one.

And only 2 can wear that godsdamnable Tarutaru Sash, PUP and SMN. You are basing the TH1 claim on an item that is a pain in the ass to get and that is easily beaten by a swap to /THF.

In your posts after the OP you go on to try and illustrate how since the THF-job type BST jugs are such awesome tanks, the other pet jobs need TH to compete or all pet jobs need THtaken away(which is a dumb as hell statement to assert since we've seen that to be faulty logic already). To which i say again, why are you focusing on other pet jobs TH lvls? There are 11 jobs on the TT Sash. Why aren't you pushing for the other 9 jobs on it to get an increase in their base TH lvls?

Or why stop there, since you are such a staunch proponent the ever elusive "Balance"? Why not just give EVERY job some base lvl of Treasure Hunter? But you know, we could take it even further since we are on a roll.

Why not just take all the JAs and traits in the game and put them on one job? That'd be balanced right? Right!?!

And we could delete the old 20 jobs and everyone could be everything at once! Oh boy this balance thing is AWESOME!!!!

Or......you could just suck it up and deal. Change is made. You want THIII or better, you job change to THF, RNG, or /THF. Period. Pull your head from where the sun don't shine and realize TH is not the frickin' cure for cancer. It ain't Robitussin damn it!



/rant off



You can report me now.

[Anapingofness]

Since one of the last updates BST got take away TH3 for 2 of it's pets.
But considering that those pets still got TH1 and are the one of the better tanking pets BST still got an unfair advantage over other pet jobs who have to sacrifice abilities for TH.

So SE - there are 2 options

#1 no TH for any pet job
#2 a basic TH for every pet job

It's up to you but I think #1 is the better option

That's a horrible suggestion. Shame on you for wanting to nerf BSTs any further.

I want SE to return TH2 to BSTs and stop this silliness once and for all. Other jobs can have TH2 if they go /thf so it's not a balance problem. Furthermore, BST is the only solo job in this game and nerfing its abilities for the sake of imaginary balance issues is just plain stupid.

Jobs should have different tricks. They shouldn't be forced into a homogenous mix of crap. If BST is a solo job then let it be 100% solo not "well I have a pet and it can kind of dd and that makes me a sort of a shitty Warrior".

Jobs should be different period. I wish people would stop complaining against individuality of the different jobs in XI.

P.S. TH2 kind of sucks when all things are considered. It's not game breaking. It's not gonna make you a lot of money. And it's not gonna make NM's drop their drop any more than it would if a THF poked at it. And really, all removing TH2 from BSTs did was make them not sub /dnc since they can get it from /thf. Wooo! Awesome SE! You made BST shittier. = =;

[Fupafighter]

Idk why they nerfed Th tbh lol. It was fine the way it was, and only the desperate and impatient complained about bsts in events such as dynamis and abyssea. The job gets shit on in all categories except solo, and they take away the rewards of playing solo haha.

[Luvbunny]

I still don't understand the need to nerd TH on jug pets, it infuriates the players more than it pleases them. And this so called TH via gears never materialize in the update AT ALL. If you are going to go with the nerf, you should come up with alternative solutions, or hold on until you can come up with one. Basically whenever pet jobs get something good and worthwhile, they "adjust" the crap out of it till it becomes undesirable. This is one company that never learn the golden rule, always create content that people WANT to do because it's FUN and ENJOYABLE. The other team did it perfectly, we got ToAU and Abyssea, then they reshuffle them to fix the "biggest failure" of 2010 that is FF14... so now we just have to bite the bullet and deal with a different team whose main goal is to "balance" the heck out of anything that is remotely fun - aka make sure every new content from now on is grindtastic fest with extremely low drop rate.