Put FFXI on Games on Demand

[Shenul]

So Microsoft has this cool little feature where publishers an opt to take their disc titles and have players download them instead. This leads to really cool little bonuses, such as not having to go get the game disc for a game that is already installed to my HDD. And it also solves the problem of trying to find a copy of an out of print title.

Seriously SE, put the Ultimate Collection up as a Game on Demand. Utilize the tools that the console makers give you.

[Kristal]

Like this (http://store.steampowered.com/app/39260/)?

[Arcon]

Like this (http://store.steampowered.com/app/39260/)?

To my knowledge, Steam services aren't available on Xbox, or am I mistaken? I believe the OP was talking about the Xbox now, even if they didn't mention it specifically. Not that I wanna encourage more people to take up the ill-advised hobby of consoleXI, but since it's already there, it wouldn't hurt to put it up on Games on Demand to ease the pain of the pour souls who try to play this game on such a machine.

[Kristal]

To my knowledge, Steam services aren't available on Xbox, or am I mistaken? I believe the OP was talking about the Xbox now, even if they didn't mention it specifically. Not that I wanna encourage more people to take up the ill-advised hobby of consoleXI, but since it's already there, it wouldn't hurt to put it up on Games on Demand to ease the pain of the pour souls who try to play this game on such a machine.

Valve is working on an Xbox version of Steam, but it's going to be awhile. M$ is reluctant to allow it on Live. GoD is similar, from the looks of it, but not as indy friendly.

[Rosina]

Nothing wrong with ffxi on the 360. I played on ps2/360 for years barely any issues outside of 1 red ring but my current 360 has yet had issues. never froze in any event either such as besidged (sp) or campaing. Anyway just putting 2 cents out there. (ps ffxi was made for consel then ported to pc)

anyway... the reason they don't is the same reason ffxiv isn't on the 360, and the abyssea edition is pc digital dl only. Microsoft only let ffxi as a one time thing. Microsoft is making it so you HAVE TO use gold to do much of anything. FFXI only needs silver, every other game with online requires gold. Which is $60 a year. Unlike ps3 which psn+ is just $50 but is not required to play online. Infact by the looks of it Microsoft regreats allowing ffxi on the 360. Due to lack of support for 360 issues people have with ffxi.

[Arcon]

Nothing wrong with ffxi on the 360.

Not only does the Xbox not have Windower, which alone makes it not only not nothing wrong, but quite a lot wrong, but also it has no options to improve graphics over the inherent limitations of the machine, which is also outdated by now. It won't ever be as bad as the PS2 limitations, but it still imposes restrictions and oddities that only apply for a compratively small portion of the playerbase, which the development team, whose time is more valuable than ever, has to work around and as such cannot devote the same effort to new content or even old content that needs some attention. The multi-platform enterprise they took on with XI was an experiment, one that succeeded, actually, but which wasn't suited for the long-lived nature of the MMOG FFXI turned out to be. As it is now, both the Xbox and the PS2 are a hindrance in the development and maintenance of FFXI.

[oliveira]

Not only does the Xbox not have Windower, which alone makes it not only not nothing wrong, but quite a lot wrong...

What is wrong on this post is that the poster is blatantly and openly admitting ToS breaking.

As an console player I do not feel "hurt" or "mangled" or having an arm less for not having access to "productivity tools".

Anything that makes the game easier to play than what was intended by the developer (crutch ?) will hurt the balance and empower people who do not deserve to be powerful as the said person is not playing by the rules.

I have nothing else to say about this.

Anyway, I say this for your own safety, 3rd party tools are not something people should talk about here, period. If you like them, neat. But keep the talk about them away from this forum. Again, for your own sake.

[Nitrous24]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

fixed. Also, you are a console user, not an console user. And there is no reason the game should be as "difficult" as it is to play on the ps2/xbox.. we have 16 gear slots.. There should be at least 18 macro lines.

Also, i agree with the OP. Having to use the disc when you play on a console is just retarded. It's not like you can play the game without a subscription by installing from someone else's discs.

[Arcon]

What is wrong on this post is that the poster is blatantly and openly admitting ToS breaking.

No, but that is not the point anyway. What I said still stands.

[Alhanelem]

Valve is working on an Xbox version of Steam, but it's going to be awhile. M$ is reluctant to allow it on Live. GoD is similar, from the looks of it, but not as indy friendly.
I would think they wouldn't allow it because Steam is infinitely better than any other online distribution service, and it would compete with microsoft's own online game sales.

[oliveira]

Also, i agree with the OP. Having to use the disc when you play on a console is just retarded. It's not like you can play the game without a subscription by installing from someone else's discs.

That has more to do with Microsoft policies than with anything decided by SE as PS2 players only need to use their disks to reinstall the game in case of data corruption. Game starts disk-less fine on PS2/PS3.

Also I play on Windows too and refrain from using third party tools because I am an idiot.

So what if I find myself someday in a server full of PS2/PS3 and two or three black sheep PC players because third party tool users got LM-17'd ?

Yes, I am the idiot here. /cheer

[Tsuneo]

That scenario wouldn't ever happen, and that's why you're an idiot.

[Juilan]

That has more to do with Microsoft policies than with anything decided by SE as PS2 players only need to use their disks to reinstall the game in case of data corruption. Game starts disk-less fine on PS2/PS3.

Also I play on Windows too and refrain from using third party tools because I am an idiot.

So what if I find myself someday in a server full of PS2/PS3 and two or three black sheep PC players because third party tool users got LM-17'd ?

Yes, I am the idiot here. /cheer

Lets go back to pre-level 55 days. The only thing with windower over standard PoL is... time changed and the gui hasn't. Someone mentioned on a different thread about monsters gaining different moves after a certain percent. In previous final fantasies we had visual indicates to tell us they'll use different moves... Here we can't know about the move change til it hits us off guard... Which isn't challenge, its pissing off your player base.

[Rosina]

i played ff7-13. so such indication is in those games. Also if you guys didn't spam your chat boxes with useless add-ons that more or less TELL you how to play you will see the "x mob readies x ability." before it goes off. I play just fine w/o addons. Played WoW with out them fine also. Not everyone even uses macro's either. And only stuff I macro is my spells which requir one line unless you decide to gear swap as for graphic limitations, check out skyrim on the 360. It was showcased @ E3 on the 360. Everquest one of the oldest mmo barely see a graphical upgade... and that is on pc only. MMo do not really get upgrades in their graphics, on top of, can people rarely afford constently upgrading to a better pc. You guys really need to back off the hate for a system or a game. I run into more console users then pc personally speaking. Its a choice also, I perfer playing on console because thats what I can afford. I'm not big on gaming on a pc too much bs in my personal opinion.

[Zumi]

I am guessing MS won't allow a re-release of FFXI to even be made on 360. They changed their policies awhile back after FFXI came out on it. That games must use xbox live and not connect to outside servers. MS wouldn't even let Portal 2 connect to steam for the added features like cloud saves, steam achievements, leaderboards.

[oliveira]

I am guessing MS won't allow a re-release of FFXI to even be made on 360. They changed their policies awhile back after FFXI came out on it. That games must use xbox live and not connect to outside servers. MS wouldn't even let Portal 2 connect to steam for the added features like could saves, steam achievements, leaderboards.

There's another reason MS would not allow for a re-release of FFXI:

MMORPG titles are seen as addictive or "object of hate" for casual players, which happen to be Microsoft current target.

[Shadowsong]

Not everyone even uses macro's either.

I'm not one to use hyperbole a lot, but this is a straight up lie. And if it's not intended as a lie, than you are so not in touch with the actual playerbase its actually a bit confusing. In 8 years of playing this game I have never met a single person who did not use macros and gear swapping. I had to be told about the "legendary Rosina and Naturbeckles", these like circus-attractions that don't use swaps. If 99.9% of people do this one way, and the .1% does it different, who is really in the wrong? (hint: you)

[Saefinn]

I play just fine on XBox 360, whilst Windower's features are no doubt useful and have features that would be ideal if SE implemented them, like the distance between you and your target, recasts and so on. But it is possible to cope without and still play the game just fine. For most events I play on my 360, I get the right distances, I'm only hit by AoE when I'm sloppy, I am able to land my macros quickly and effectively and my only mistakes are due to sloppiness and that can occur for a number of reasons - not paying attention, lack of sleep (sometimes I team up with people from the US, meaning I have pulled late ones), or just not noticing something quick enough. Not as if that's a common thing either.

The only thing that's wrong with the 360 is SE hasn't fixed some of the bugs on the 360 version (VW and Besieged crashes) and it's poorly optimised...but then the game's poorly optimised anyway, it runs like crap on my laptop, despite the fact SW:TOR runs a lot smoother with greater draw distances, model detail and so on - sure I don't run it on very high settings, but it's well optimised (I'm running with an Intel GMA, not really for gaming, but then I'm mostly a console gamer). I know the reasons why FFXI is poorly optimised, but the point still stands.

I don't think unofficial 3rd party tools counts as something being 'wrong' with the 360 version. It poses an advantage to the Windows version, that doesn't make the 360 version better, it just means those who don't mind breaking the terms of service get more stuff. Before I get a "you're QQing waa waa", I'll admit I've used Windower and it's definitely useful, but I am happy living without it, it's not the necessity some make it out to be. I'm not bothered by people using it because I don't think it's cheating even if it is against the ToS. I don't feel I've lost the advantage by playing on the 360.

[Feynman]

I'm not one to use hyperbole a lot, but this is a straight up lie. And if it's not intended as a lie, than you are so not in touch with the actual playerbase its actually a bit confusing. In 8 years of playing this game I have never met a single person who did not use macros and gear swapping. I had to be told about the "legendary Rosina and Naturbeckles", these like circus-attractions that don't use swaps. If 99.9% of people do this one way, and the .1% does it different, who is really in the wrong? (hint: you)

Sadly I currently know 2 people that don't use macros. They SHOULD because their reaction time is very slow as they search through the menus for a cure or something. So everyone SHOULD use macros...unfortunately there are those that don't. I'll never understand why not though.